Holden VE Commodore Wagon spy photos
23 Nov, 2007
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It didn’t take long for Car Advice readers to send through spy photos of the upcoming Holden VE Wagon. Of course, when we heard spy photos, we expected the entire car to be covered, not so.
Parked casually out the front of what can only be a Holden employee’s home, the VE (SS?) Wagon is a little less spectacular than the Sportswagon we saw at the Sydney Motor Show.
Nonetheless, the next-generation wagon should see a great deal of enthusiasm in showrooms given its good looks and unique character. But it’s not only Australians keen to get their hands on the new wagon, news from a few days ago suggests that even the Americans are interested.
Expect the new Wagon in the showrooms early next year. You can read more about the Sportswagon concept here.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Don’t know what everyone else thinks.. but theres a bit of Porsche Cayenne to that rear 3/4 view.
Whether thats a positive or a negative..
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 pm
That looks good, what variant is it? Looks like the SV6 or something? The wheels are too small to be the SS, still would like to see a special edition one that actually looks like the Sportswagon.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
What the? Hahaha, love how it’s just parked casually out the front of a house.
Very neat and minimalist, nothing out of place on it at all.
Perhaps that’s why it smacks of being rather bland.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Looks good to me.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:37 pm
they are the base ss wheels and its has the quad exhausts so I reckon it is the ss
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:38 pm
It’s also incredibly small for a wagon. Doesn’t appear to be much space in the back over the sedan!
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:42 pm
Definately a V8 judging by the quad exhausts. Funny how it has the fuel consumption data in the windscreen. This must have been a display vehicle of some kind. Someone will be hauled over the coals for this!
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November 23rd, 2007 at 1:52 pm
Much better looking car than any previous commodore wagon!
or any holden wagon.. But the new liberty wagon and audi
A4 avant wagon still look much better,but im sure the
commodore lovers out there will buy it…
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November 23rd, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Great scoop guys, I think Car Advice is first to post these production version images. The ingenuity of this wagon design is the tailgate door being incorporated into the roof and having a huge but short opening.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Easy to see the focus on styling rather than traditional load lugging.
Will be interesting to see how the new found target market reacts, if Holden didn’t have an export market for this wagon, you would have seen Holden produce a traditional wagon that focuses on cargo space primary, pretty much like every commodore wagon before it.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 2:34 pm
I fail to see how a bigger hatch opeing will address the smaller floor space this new wagon has?
It’s pretty much a hatch version of the sedan, like a mazda 3 hatch not really being any bigger than the sedan only being more practical to load stuff in.
it should be called the commodore hatch.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
If it went to america, I bet it would get discontinued like Dodge Magnum/300C Wagon not long after. People would rather get a sports RWD car or SUV rather than this ‘great compromise’ I rekon.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 2:59 pm
theirs lots of pictures on the holden website of the cargo area and it looks easily as big as the old one in the boot, its just that the designers have been very clever in making the car look not all that big, they have packaged the wagon very well.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Adam, I think that’s why they’ve called it a Sportswagon, cos it’s not a true ‘Station Wagon’ anymore. I think the shift from these vehicles in disappearing with so many ppl buying SUV shaped wagons.
Like ‘All Cars’ said, I think the sedan based wagon is a dying breed. SUVs have all but taken over. You only need to look at how many manufacturers have ceased building wagon variants:
Corolla Wagon - gone
Mitsubishi 380 Wagon - isn’t one
Camry Wagon - isn’t one
Aurion Wagon - ditto
Need I go on?
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November 23rd, 2007 at 3:15 pm
But as far as the VE Wagon itself goes, yeah I think it looks pretty damn good.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 3:36 pm
This makes more sense with the wagon than the VE ute. No need to cover it up in bras when pics are allready out.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Casey i dont understand your logic,, subaru has a wagon
version of all there range!! excluding impreza,,mazda 6,new focus wagon soon,astra wagon,most euro brands have
a wagon version of there sedans,skoda just released wagon,
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November 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pm
This wagon is so sweet!
I can put two mountain bikes in the back, and still enjoy driving a high performance RWD up and down the mountains, and cruise comfortably on the highways.
With no silly wings at the back, its a nice little sleeper. Subaru wagons can eat dust compare to this baby.
Hope they will introduce cylinder deactivation in this vehicle.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 5:35 pm
They better bring this wagon out with 6 speed manual!
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November 23rd, 2007 at 5:39 pm
If this car has a load area smaller than the current car but roughly equivalent to the VN/VS of yore, will it matter so much? Only if you’re packing golf balls. The rest of us will still find it sizeable and practical, I have no doubt.
I reckon there’s more buyers out there who don’t want to sacrifice the wieldiness of the sedan and just want something that looks cool, than those looking for a traditional LWB wagon.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 5:53 pm
I agree Golfschwein.
For me I specifically don’t want a cumbersome LWB wagon, I want a vehicle that is fun to drive and is practical for daily use.
A shorter wagon also makes it easier to park.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 6:35 pm
I think the VE sports wagon will actually capture sales from SUV buyers as well. I currently own a Forester, and when the car comes off lease the VE wagon will definitely be on the list. I ticks all the boxes apart from the AWD. Then again with the performance rubber on the Forester it can’t go on the beach anyway. A Subaru Outback version would be good, but then I am sure the development costs would not be justified by HQ. As long as it has the refinement of the Subaru Liberty wagon it should steal some of their sales too.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pm
The wagon is expected to be released around the same time as the VE-2 range which will have Displacement on Demand.. thereofre I’d say the sports-wagon will also get DOD
there are also “rumours” that the VE could also have:
ZF Six Speed Auto - [as in the XR Series Falcons]
Diesel / Turbo-Diesel V6
Indicators in Wing Mirrors
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November 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pm
I think it looks good in an understated kind of way. Not sure how good visibility out the back will be though with those thick pillars and small window.
On a side note my Wheels mag came with a Holden 2008 calendar. There is a pic of the new Sportwagon and down by the front wheel there is a badge that says “xxxFUEL”. I can’t make out what the xxx actually is because the letters are too small but it may have something to do with cylinder deactivation, dual fuel or bio fuel.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pm
That people is a SV6 wagon, Mister two, take note at the brake caliper, the SV6 uses a smaller caliper and smaller disc. I’m a ford fan… i have no idea why know this.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 7:51 pm
oh no i take it back
i had a good look that is a SS, the disc is the big one 
Why have the chrome strip on the rear, its odd because there is no chrome anywhere else. Holden should remove the chrome strip and just have a line.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Grumps, the badge you can’t decipher is “E85″, meaning 85% Ethanol. I don’t believe it’s certain that the car will be so equipped from the start, but if it wasn’t already developed…we can guess the rest. After all, Saab has E85 engines now on sale.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 pm
Smart motor, well spotted folks. Yep looks like your Holdens are going the way of the Euro wagons…all sport and no space, apart from our Vectra-as-big-as-an-E Class rump. What the point in a wagon with no space, its like having piles without any pain!!
Like the style though if only GM would bring a rear wheel motor like this to the UK with a big diesel engine.
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November 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 pm
Nice looks but not practical anymore.. SUVs have a greater height to store things but at least the previous gen commy wagon had a very long boot
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November 23rd, 2007 at 11:13 pm
not to mention the window at the back seems rather small - a very high back. I hope reverse sensors come standard with an option for a reverse camera so little kiddies won’t be a victim of these new “sportswagons” instead of SUVs…
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November 24th, 2007 at 12:13 am
Well, Today’s the day we go to the polls, unless your name is Paul and first name “toyota” because not only he’s to young to vote, he’s not even an Australian the way he goes on.
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November 24th, 2007 at 4:43 am
SURELY SOMEONE WOULDNT BE THAT STUPID TO LEAVE IT OUT TO ALL TO VIEW?? ME THINKS THAT IT WAS PLANED. SO THAT THEY COULD GET SOME PUBLICITY?? ANYWAY BLOODY NICE CAR, ANY PRICES ETC OUT YET AND A CONFIRMED RELEASE DATE??
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:05 am
When does the real wagon start production?
It is form over function.
Over to Ford I guess.
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:11 am
The wagon in these pics is most likely a prototype [mule]
The Chrome Strip across the back indicates that it could be a Calais Wagon - like the one at the motor show.
The reason its shod with SS Wheels is probably because the 20 inch wheels on the one at the show were made specially for the show and not likely to make it into production.
It looks relatively Bland compared to the one at the show because of it was a “unique” colour plus the high intensity lighting at the show
The one at the show also had two-tone interior which could make it into production.
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:29 am
MOMO has obviously never driven a 3.0R spec b liberty wagon or a GTB wagon or the second best wagon in the world
only behind RS4 audi the tuned by STI liberty wagon, because any of those subii wagons would out handle,brake,perform and out resale!! any new commodore wagon!!!!!
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:20 am
Over to Ford, David? With its 9 years old AU architecture? And its leaf springs? Please, please don’t say, “Yeah, but it’s good for towing”.
Ford will be lucky to sell half a dozen BF wagons to private buyers once these come out.
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:34 am
Well I guess we will have to see how many Orion wagons they will do compared to it then! Mid yearish 2008!
So do people buy a wagon for load carrying or looks then Golfschwein?
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:46 am
it just looks dull to me, i really liked the motorshow concept but am undecided looking at it in those pics!
Looks very 3 series wagon in those shots
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:47 am
The ABILITY to carry stuff, Bav Mis. Sometimes. Not always, unless you’re a Metabo or Bosch rep. Even then, and I said this in my earlier post, it just needs to be big enough, nobody’s going to be measuring the number of golf balls it can cart. And it’s not a small car, so load space in comparitive terms WILL be big enough.
Definition of enough? Enough is as to need no more.
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:53 am
Why wouldn’t that surprise me Tonyn!
So I guess your saying looks then and load space only matter realy!
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November 24th, 2007 at 10:14 am
hey i really liked the concept…. put a pontiac front and badges on it and i would drive it!
I just dont know, it looks very astra wagon to me!
You do have to say but you would buy one of these over a falcon wagon just on looks!
its growing on me the spy pics, id have to go and buy some gigantic wheels and lower the hell out of it!!
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November 24th, 2007 at 10:43 am
On looks at the moment if thats all your after I guess !
Functionality nope! It is built on the same platform as the sedan isn’t it?
Dumped and big wheels really………I am surprised.hahaha
The Cobra seriously needs dumping forever at the moment but it will upset the R Spec suspension from we have been able to find out!
Hey did the shots for the yellow car and Cobra yesterday in 36 degree heat. Henry was not happy starting all the time,starter overheats all the time in this weather .its close to the headers but even with heat proof rap over the starter it still suffers heat sinc!
We headed off down the road me behind the XA ……when he stomped on it in first I hit the rev limiter and had to change to second……..XA still in first! Oh don’t you love 8000 rpm in clevelands. I think from memory it will do 110 clicks in first gear……whats yours do Tonyn?
Photos will look great….for the mag. Got both cars driving in shots….photographer opened the door whilst each of us were moving and got some real low pics on the road. I wasn’t quiet ready to get my pic in the Cobra done driving but oh well shes done now!
You getting out in the RS4 for a cruise later? Hows the weather for it?
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November 24th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Chris Parr, no your Subaru GT Spec B tuned by STI cannot out brake anything.
According Motor Magazine BFYB comparing 22 cars, 100km/h to 0 braking test, the STI sedan came last at 41.7 meters; the SS at 39.2 meters; the Clubsport R8 at 36.5 meters. In fact, your STI sedan was out braked by a Toyota Aurion.
Nor did the STI manage to out perform the SS or R8 around Wakefield Park. STI managed 72.2 secs a lap, the SS 71.49, the R8 70.69. In fact, your STI sedan was beaten by a hairdresser’s car, the Audi TT 2.0.
So far that’s just numbers, I haven’t yet mentioned the fun factor of power oversteering on demand, for as long as you want on a track. Sorry, the STI can’t do that either.
If you are so concerned about resale, why don’t you just buy real estate, they don’t go very fast but their resale is very good.
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November 24th, 2007 at 10:57 am
Golfscwein & Bavarian,
I didn’t want to start the pointless Holden V Ford farce.
I am critical of manufacturers Holden Ford & Toyota even Subaru(first Liberty Wagon 1989-98&beyond),for not being frank about marketing old designs reskun & call them new.
Agree leaf springs belong on trailers,utes,one tonners.
I suspect this wagon is really built for export.
Local wagon buyers usually buy one for the load space & or towing capacity & don’t want to be hampered by some stylish but small tailgate even if they only carry mountain bikes.
Good luck to them if they can get U.S sales & a niche market here.After seeing what the U.S market has to offer last year,there should be an insatiable demand.
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November 24th, 2007 at 10:58 am
Momo said
your STI sedan was beaten by a hairdresser’s car, the Audi TT 2.0.
hahahaha….thats funny!
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Agree Momo,If concerned about resale dont buy a new car.
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:10 am
MOMO as i said until you have driven!!!! these cars you
have no idea!!! that is one stop!! try do five or more in a row and anyone will tell you commodore brakes will give up,,where as brembos on sti lib just get better the hotter they get,that is the difference with real performance brakes!! I have driven both these cars flat out up a mountain and the liberty would kill the SS in every way!!
And david says you dont care about resale on new car,its funny how when people go to trade in on new car thats all they care about!!!! everyone knows commodores are like arseholes second hand and are worth nothing.;…
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:12 am
All understood, David.
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:25 am
Momo, whilst you have used figures to back your argument and that is good, it also isnt representative of the drive of the two cars. I have driven the new ss as well as the new r8 and gts and just about every new commodore on sale. Above this i have also driven the new liberty in both 2.5turbo and 3.0 boxer 6, and i use the word Above for a reason. The drive is the antithesis of the commodore. The ss is quick, yes, this will help it lap a relatively open track quickly. Drive a liberty though and the precision of steering, the modulation of the brakes and the linearity of the engine’s power delivery is unbelievable- the handling is a whole world apart! Everyone loves to talk of the fun of power oversteer and many cant even put this ability to use on the road. The commodore feels what it is, a heavy cumbersome family car with a big engine good tyres and tight suspension. Good for what it is but not in the same league for real world spirited driving. Equal drivers in both cars would show up the flaws of the ss by the first corner! The SS may stop slower in a one off stop but from the same source you’ve quoted in Motor they have been bagged as being considerably underbraked!
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Chris,
My point on resale,the most expensive 50 meters you ever drive is out of the dealership for any car.I think we all realise this. RELAX
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November 24th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Chris Parr, its hardly fair that you deliberately compare a $40k SS to a $60k STI. Lets play fair and compare STI with HSV (both $60k) shall we?
The brakes on the Clubsport R8 are actually AP Racings printed with HSV logos. In fact the R8 can out brake the Lamborghini Murcielago and BMW M5. So unless you are suggesting that the AP Racing brakes cannot handle high speed braking lap after lap, what exactly is your point?
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November 24th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
hey hey hey BM!! TT, a hair dressers car??? what the!
No its raining here so the RS4’s lid will be up!!
my XA will do 85mph in first at about 7000rpm, not bad for an old jigger!!!
sounds like it was a good photo shoot, look forward to seeing it in!
I wouldnt buy a commodore wagon, id buy a 300c wagon over it but i think thats cause im biased!! hehehe….
I thought r spec was only shock dampening so lowering it shouldnt hurt it should it?
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November 24th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Scott C, no one would seriously do several laps around a track on standard brakes, so SS is obviously not an ideal vehicle for that purpose.
The Clubsport R8 however is far more track friendly. Yes the Commodore platform is heavier, as a result, it may be more cumbersome around some corners, but you are missing the point.
The fact is, its more fun to tip the nose in around corners, then spending your time managing understeering. Yes, with a lighter car you may go around some corners a little bit quicker, but I have more fun throttle controlling my slides for longer. That’s the point.
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November 24th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
That looks even better on the road than I thought it would.
As for room in the back, there is heaps.
Hardly any difference from the VZ, so get over it people.
With the sticker already on the windscreen, hopefully I can order one soon.
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November 24th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
The reason some people may think that the cargo area of the sports wagon is smaller than previous models could be because Glass gives the impression that theres more space.
Because the cargo window of the sports wagon is shorter than the one on a VZ wagon and the C Pillar is so thick. the area behind the seats may appear smaller.
Yet if the cargo window was longer [went all the way to the end] I’m sure people would say it looks bigger even though the overall length of the car is the same.
For example look at a normal station wagon and then look at panel/deliveryvan of the same model and see which one looks bigger.
I doubt the cargo area of the VE is smaller.. because what designers and engineers have been able to do with space over the years is pretty impressive. If it is smaller it wouldn’t be by much
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November 24th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
the one at the motorshow looked a lot smaller then the VZ?
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
it does look a lot smaller i agree.
oh but why the hell would someone put a mountain bike in the back?
when you have it crammed packed you will always want more. the people that will notice are those that have a previous model wagon and now find it doesnt pack as easy.
its annoying the amount of times you have it full and say bugger i wish i had more room
i have a ute and a trailer and still say i wish i had more room
i have friends that have a VS wagon and 2 little ones and they fill it to the max just for an overnight stay. (and they wish they had more room)
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
Andrew M, I take it you have never had your bike stolen before?
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
no,
but if i spent 50K on a sports wagon the last thing i would be doing is dropping the nice rear seats and throwing a dirty bike in the back.
oh shouldnt you be riding the bike??
you cant take your bike and drive your car to work at the same time.
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Really? Then why do you buy a wagon in the first place?
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
I agree with Andrew, why would you do both. If i had spnet 50k on a wagon id be putting nothing in the back!
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
well for starters i dont buy wagons,
but most that buy them have young ones and need to carry prams and clothes, nappy bags etc etc etc plus fit the shopping in
if you are going to have the seats folded down then you may aswell get a ute. at least you wont wreck the interior
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November 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
I agree Andrew ……..chuck it on a bike rack !
How many litres of space was in the last rear section?
Hey Tonyn……….I thought it was a funny line! Sorry but the TTs do nothing for me .
Raining ………I wish another hot one here! She will be coming your way I would think though…..Monday she should start hotting up for you I would think!
Me I would have another Volvo……….plenty of height and enough room to put two carvers and 4 dinning chairs.
Make it a second hand one if it has to match $50,000 !
I don’t know what the problem is either……hes out so I cant ask him! Just get the oxy out I reckon….hahaha. Hey I got the pics of David and Taras Cobra with the new quad pipes out the back…..looks good .Other half likes them ..me I like the standard shape look more GTish! I will send them to you.
Cobra045 picks his up Monday…..too busy over the weekend I think with his wifes new fully loaded Prado !
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November 24th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
yeah i want the roof down and the RS4 Exhaust note ringing!!! i wish it was a sedan or wagon but they are nicer to drive! i wish it was dry and the customers would come out and play!!!!
dont oxy the shocks….. use the angle grinder!!! hehehe…
My xa is being used in a wedding today, looks good with the wedding ribbons on it! i only have a pic on my phone but, my brother has the car!!
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November 24th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
hahaha was going suggest that too….
Hubby tried to tell me our XA was going to be used as our wedding car….his best man came round with video of it getting cleaned and the guys putting the ribbon on it.panic hit me………as at the time it was still blown and a 671 hanging out the bonnet /actually the bonnet hadn’t been finished so there was no bonnet ,was a distressing thought!
I had already been married once with it and look how than turned out. Na he was doing his normal gags and the BMW arrived to pick me up.Just as well in typical fashion it rained on the Day! It was Tassie!
I haven’t seen it from the front? Make sure theres no confetti in it! Your a trusting brother!
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November 24th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I saw on a European car show [Ch 31] whare the Antara [Captiva] has an optional bike rack which is specifically designed for the Acantra its an integral part of the car - actually built into it when the car is assembled.
It slides out from underneath the car inbetween the taillights; flip out the supports lower the bikes into place and secure them using the clamps and tie downs then off you go. When you don’t need it it just folds away out of sight.
So maybe as Opel and Holden are related they could offer such an option with the Captiva; the Wagon or even the Ute
The designers have plans to build racks for other “recreational lifestyle equipment that fold away into the vehicle
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November 24th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
hey wheelnut,
someone on here was saying the senator was discontinued…
what do you know about it? i think they dont know what they are talking about…..
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November 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
Go to HSV’s website and see if it has the Senator on there.
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November 25th, 2007 at 9:13 am
The Opel Senator was a stretched version of the Opel Rekord [as the Statesman is to the Commodore].
It was sold in Europe from 1980-1994
For the record: Holden used same platform and design as the Rekord to create the Commodore from 1980 [VC] through to 1992 [VN]. It wasn’t because Holden couldn’t design or build a car by themselves.. it was Because at the time Holdens position in the GM hierarchy wasn’t as high as it is now.. so they had to go along with decisions from Detroit
The Commodore wasn’t exactly the same as the Rekord as Holden engineers [Peter Hanenberger] made changes to the driveline and suspension to make the car more suitable to Australian conditions.
After the VN ; the VR-VS sat on the same platform but with a few extra changes then with the VT-VZ they made even more changes - all aimed at improving safety performance and handling until Holden were able to prove to GM that they could infact design and build an All Australian Car from scratch which bevccame the VE.
They even made a Coupe version of the Senator, called the Monza which Peter Brock tried to modify and sell through HDT
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November 25th, 2007 at 9:33 am
you would laugh BM, i told the guy i would do it for a fee, and one other condition was no confetti!!! apparently the police pulled the three gt’s over and went all through them! lucky my brother knew the cop so he was safe! im very trusting, he knows its not worth his life to damage it!! hehehe…..
I hate using my car as a wedding car…. they never respect it, last time i used my XR8 sprint i ended up in a argument cause the bridesmaids wanted to drink red wine in it and i wouldnt let them!!!
I only have one pic of it on my work Pc, i iwll send you a few more when i get home!
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November 25th, 2007 at 11:08 am
What were the police looking for ? I guess ours being a Coupe has its advantages…..too hard to get in the back off ! Some chicks have no idea when it comes to respecting cars, they just don’t get it !
Cool ……do you have any under the bonnet too?
Hey there is a new Cobra ,number 3 on Aussie muscle car site for ……………$109,000…..it is number 3 I guess !
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November 25th, 2007 at 11:46 am
yeah that website over prices cars but!!!
One of the guys apparently pulled a burnout…. so then they inspected the cars!!
Yeah im sure i have some under bonnet pics!!
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November 25th, 2007 at 11:46 am
and yes half of the bridal party just sees them as old cars! one reason im hesitant to do them!
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November 25th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
That was a dumb thing to do……….a burnout ! They were lucky your brother did know them. Someone could have got there car impounded! Has that law come in yet ?
Yep I know that site is way over priced but hey if people pay it then I guess that makes the market price good for us!
Its always the wrong half that end up in your car to most of the time.
Hey when the photos were done on Friday ,again! I had an idea to put the Lion skin I have under the bonnet of the XA with just the tail hanging out of the front……..like the shot of Russells Ingalls car after he won the Championship…….the heading above it said \”BURP\” Very funny I thought. Na didn\’t do it though thought the Holden owners would get upset if they saw us doing the shots. Loads of people were watching when we were doing the pics,and of course you get the …….come on mate do a burnout for us,what is it all show and know go! Hubbys reply was yeah thats why it a has a 1/2 inch fuel line with a 250 gallons per hour fuel pump,a scatter shield and 31 spline axles with a nodular nine inch….na mate cause it doesn’t go!
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November 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
hehehehe…. the guy didnt do a burnout, apparently just chirped the tyres out of a driveway, the guy got done with neg driving!
Yeah i know its good for us! i had a bad experience so im a little burnt with them!
Yeah and there always half cut by the time the photos are done and stuff!!
Yeah that photo would of been gold! photo shoots always attract attention, even more when there is a fine piece of australian muscle car history involved!!!
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November 25th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Bavarian Missile said
Hubbys reply was yeah thats why it a has a 1/2 inch fuel line with a 250 gallons per hour fuel pump,a scatter shield and 31 spline axles with a nodular nine inch….na mate cause it doesn’t go!
LOL, thats pretty funny.
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November 25th, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Momo….some people just need to be told hey!
Hey Tonyn,one of the guys in our club also had a bad experience with them ,they must make a good quid from other guys cars at the moment….what a business !
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November 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
yeah i had a really bad experience with my old GT so i wont go near them again…..
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November 25th, 2007 at 5:59 pm
What you tried to sell it through them?
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November 25th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
New rumour……Wreck Kellys off to Nascar next year! Gee I bet Marcos will be happy to see him! Not
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November 25th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
here’s a thought.. in relation to the strip on the back
Holden designers could have “secret” plans to make a VE Sandman and the strip is there to mark where the split in the tailgate could be [if not just above the indicators]
Although if they do/did make a Sandman they would more likely use the LWB that the Ute is built on as you’d need the extra length to fit surfboards on the roof
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November 25th, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Hey Wheelnut have you seen the new cover of Wheels…..shock horror its got a Commodore on the front!
Its meant to be the 427 version. Not HSVs though!
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November 25th, 2007 at 7:47 pm
wishfull thinking wheelnut?
i think they will find it doesnt make $$$ sence to make another panelvan. they are really trying to get 1 part/panel stretch as far as it can to achieve max profit with the new range.
someone will prob just design a new canopy to suit the VE ute like they did with the last series of commy utes. the canopy fits well and it does look like a panelvan.
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November 25th, 2007 at 7:50 pm
missile,
how do you think the whimpy, girly RK will go amoungst the rough and tough americans??? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
i doubt he could stay away from home for 1 night without getting scared. how will he go with out mum in the garage?
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November 25th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Yeah I think mumsy and daddy may have to sell Tool racing to support him in it!
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November 25th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Maybe they are closing Toll down cause Toddles is off to Jack Daniels Racing and Tander HRT. Gee I bet Tanders happy about that. Look out for the enduro rounds they may have to team up again ……
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November 25th, 2007 at 8:42 pm
yeah Bm i tried to sell a XA GT in white i had to them… they offered me one price, i drove it all the way to them only for them to then offer half what they offered, so never again!!
I dont think rick is off to nascar, although before simmons plains that rumour was quite true!
I hope they shuffle them around and it bites them on the bum!!
I think it will be an interesting gran finale, and an even more exciting 2008 championship! GO FORD!!!
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November 25th, 2007 at 8:54 pm
So now the rumor is Dumbrell is going to Toll with Wreck ! Where that leave Rusty?
I didn’t know you had a white one before?
Skaffie apparently is financial trouble with Walkingstick and may have to sell up if he cant pay !
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November 25th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Yuk i just had hsv as my spam word.
Hey BM sent you an email. Dave will take that pic tomorrow for you.
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November 25th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
i havent bought any V8 mags lately so im not totally up to date with the rumours in print at the moment.
so who is leaving Perkins? i thought Jack would be back for next year…..
actually i wouldnt mind seeing todd there. id love to see a proper race team from holden succeed (such as Perkins) rather than a walkinshaw mega team.
toll will be nothing without Tander and HRTs cars arent much chop lately so yes ford could totally wipe it next year.
skaife in trouble? ha ha ha ha well arent Holden wiring money to his account anymore? its funny what happens when you get caught out and have to start doing things fairly
well Missile you must also realise that most holden teams are down south and most ford teams are in QLD. rusty planned to move to QLD not only to be close to SBR but also he wanted to chase the different lifestyle up here. there arent many choices for him to go back to holden unless he wants to pull up the families anchors and head south again. i seriously doubt he will do that.
thats why the Paul morris prepared vehicles rumour had some legs as he could still be based where he is.
yes but interesting where he will find a seat. and even more so, a better seat than the one he had. all the better ford seats are well sewn up
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November 26th, 2007 at 7:43 am
Thanks Tara!
Jacks going cause of having diabetes’s ! Skaffie may even get moved if he cant pay up ! Yep Karma hits again.
I had forgotten about the family aspect of things for Russ,I cant see him up rooting his family again to move south,lets hope Julie has put her foot down! I just cant come to terms with him moving to the worst team in the V8s either though!
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November 26th, 2007 at 8:16 am
i have pretty good reason to believe that rusty is going to paul morris’s! its going to be a huge year, what i cant understand is why wouldnt todd go to the family toll team? the rumour is still dumbrell is seplacing rusty…. although that kiwi driver Van gisenberg is loved by the SBR Team, he could fill that seat!
Yeah i had a white one with vynil roof, factory sunroof, front and rear spoilers, rally wheels, 8 track stereo, power steer and auto!! i used to drive it to work, needed some TLC but was a great car
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November 26th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
yeah i thought Jack was only ruled out till the end of the yeah to give him time to get on top of managing his diabetes. he didnt have to sit out for a bit but he chose to.
Yes yes yes Van gisenberg!!!! the perfect replacement
he is only 18 isnt he!!!!!
he has shown a lot of promise in a second rate car. plus the stones would like him being a Kiwi racer.
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November 26th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Calm down son……….Ill have what hes having!hahaha
Na apparently Jacks left.
I know the guy a good talent…..don’t Stones have some sort of interest in him now though?
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November 26th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
BM Yeah; the Corsa Special Vehicles “enhanced” HSV
Though over the years Peter Dichiera and his team in Sunshine [Formerly in Mildura]; have been able to find more power from the same engines as the Boys at Clayton.. and their cars are just as easy to drive as a standard SS
Mind you I’d say the $110K price tag includes the $80K for the Clubbie which means CSV do $30K of modifications to it.. [a fair whack of that would be tuning 7 litre V8] However; as CSV is a rival to HSV I’d say the mods would void HSVs warranty [as you’ve replaced the engine]..
So If you want 427Ci from your Holden best talk to Walkinshaw Performance or even Starr Performance who would probably be able to match it using the 6.0 litre
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November 26th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
red cordial!! seriously right now i got a glass of red cordial.
correct me if im wrong but dont stones supply kiwi with engines?
thats sad if Jack cant carry on in larrys foot steps next year.
the only son that has followed in a legends footsteps and succeeded appears to be Stevie J.
oh i nearly forgot Richo….he he he he good old richo and his old man (JR)…..the only ones to win bathurst back to back with different manufacturers
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November 26th, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Thanks for the info.yep knew it was CSV but not the cost involved.Technology cost money……{wasn’t that half a line from Running on Empty} and it seems the newer cars get the more they cost to modify! So do you think HSV will do one or not? Wasn’t the original cost going to be $150,000 ?
Your right about modifying the 6.0 litre though ,I am sure $30,000 would go a long way to extract another 100 kws out of it!
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November 26th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Didn’t your Mum tell you to stay away from the red cordial….
Kiwi …..aaahhhhh yep thats the link I think..hes a very mature 18 year old ,speaks very well for a kid I think! More mature than Reck Kelly,oh and his voice has broken ….
I have always like Stevo……for a rangger {someone with red hair} hes got his temper under control on the track and like his Dad a gentleman..
Gee Stevie is looking trim ha……..hes really done a good job this year,must be one of his best years!
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November 26th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
BM: I think HSV realise that if they want to extract more power from the Gen-4 engine it’s there and easy to do..
Even though HSV [and FPV] deny they’re in a “Power War”
However; I think that over the years HSV [and FPV] will Focus more on Non-V8 vehicles. HSV are pushing for Holden to import a number of cars from Europe including the Vectra and Corsa which will hopefully see the end of the Denny-Daewoo era.. [I’d like to see the GT here]
Then there’s the new Torana TT-36. When its released in 2012 will probably have the new [Direct Injection] V6 when matched up to a “intercooled” twin-turbo set up should be able to produce over 300Kw - as the concept car produced 280Kw
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November 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
yeah S Richo is a pretty fair competitor. he, like Jim doesnt mind which make he is driving just as long as he enjoys it and is a fair and competitive team.
yeav Stevie J lost like 20 or 30kgs between bathurst 06 and bathurst 07!!!!!
he is pretty committed to talking over control of the team when Dick gives it in which would make it good to see the legacy live on in the hands of a true (non commercial) Team
nah i dont think it is his BEST year. well when you look at the championship leader board he has usually finished around 8 or so. yes its been a while since he has had a podium (this year 2!!)or really fought for the lead, but he had a couple of DNF’s that hurt the overall aggregate. i reckon an easy top 5 next year especially since the news is they will actually get some money, which they havent had for a very long time.
Wheelnut,
nah dont like the idea of hsv 4cyl bangers such as vectra and corsa.
the torana concept though shows a lot of promise. a small RWD car with around 300kw…… yeah that would go alright id imagine.
but i suppose dont be surprised if the torrie actually weighs in at around the same as a typical 6cyl commy anyhow which means there wouldnt really be a weight advantage
oh do you reckon the 3.6L would star in the torrie?
oh and FPV and HSV deny they are in a power war?????
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. yeah they have some funny guys working in PR hey…
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November 26th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
hey guys did you see steve richo showed up on the other posts? ha ha ha ha
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November 27th, 2007 at 2:43 am
i also think this may be a calais, as the tail lights are similar to the VE calais sedan
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:19 am
The PR guys may deny there in a HP war,but Rod Barret is very public on nailing HSV.
Have you heard guys the V8s are back next year at F1…..woohoo!
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:48 am
ita a good concept at the f1 too, its more of a ford vs holden battle than a team battle!
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:50 am
Can you believe they run the F1 at a loss????Lucky there not in W.A or like the WRC they would shut it down!
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November 27th, 2007 at 9:41 am
i still hear the rumour F! may replace champ car at the gold coast? now that would be interesting…..
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November 27th, 2007 at 9:44 am
Really……..so does that mean Melbourne would miss out?
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November 27th, 2007 at 10:12 am
yeah it would move from melb to the gold coast!
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November 27th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Yeah???
is the track wide enough at surfers for F1’s? dont forget they demand A Grade facilities too.
yeah V8’s back at Melb GP next year. i cant understand why they skipped last year. i went down last year and had to settle for V8 Brutes
yep the F1 runs at a loss and so does Indy
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November 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
sorry i mean they skipped this year and i went down to the F1 GP this year. ha ha ha ha
well it was right at the start of the year so it seems like last year ha ha ha ha
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November 27th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
I guess the state governments must be missing out on the roundabout but gaining some where on the swings…………this state just wants to swing !
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November 27th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
quickly check your mail……sent you some pics of some modified V8Supercars ………some are needed!hahaha
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November 27th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
So it seems Paul Morris is leaving racing,with Russell and James Small taking up their positions there! Whats your thoughts?
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November 27th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Philip Island.
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November 27th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
yeah but i know the gold coast thing has been talked about for F1, trust me!!
where did you hear paul morris was stepping aside?
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
I have sent you something……..I am assuming!
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
Trust you………..of course I do ! I don’t know another that has the info you have on this site so far with future projects ! You have your hand in the Cookie Jar ……..I dont like sweet things but I do enjoy your heads up on stuff!
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Sent your XMAS card off today……yours to Alborz and Matt!
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:26 pm
missile,
you mean James small in the guy who currently wears coopers colours? the same coopers brand that is rumoured to join V8 supercars????????
so does that mean both morris cars seats are going to vacate?
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Gary Rogers……
I guess so ! Did you read the link to enews I sent you and Tonyn?
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:39 pm
whats GR got to do with it?
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Other half has just informed me James is the son of Les Small the guru for for Brock and Moffat for a number of years
I still think Russ is too old to start a new race team !
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Have you read it yet?
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November 27th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Sent it again from another email address!
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November 27th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
i will have to wait till i get to work!!
Paul mortris and russell apparently are the two drivers for PMM VE’S with supercheap and castrol backing…..
Alex Davison or fabion coultard are going to glenfords….
Im 99% sure im going to melb next week…. going to drop in and see my mate at ford….. maybe try to get some more info!
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November 27th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Cant you see what I send you at home honey?
Cool Cant wait to get the low down………
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November 27th, 2007 at 9:56 pm
no cant get my work emails at home!!
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November 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
I read that Paul Cruickshank is in looking to buy one of the PWR-Supercheap licences which will mean he could become a 2 car team I also read that De-Walt Power Tools could replace Glenfords as their major Sponsor
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November 29th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Na got it wrong …….must have been wishfull thinking Morris leaving.Small is a driver but also handy on the tools……he will be working on the spanners for Russell!He is currently Lee Holdsworths engineer! Damn………wouldn’t have been so bad if Morris had of left and Russell going to the dark side!
Its going to hurt if I have to wear a Sirromet T-shirt with Russell on it next year! I don’t know if I can bring myself to do it!!! May have to find a new hero? I might send him a message at how disappointed I am at him leaving to go to Morris!
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November 29th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
i would….. morrises is a worry!!!
Yeah cruckshank has long stated he wants to be a two car team!!
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November 29th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
Looks like he will have to start doing some Enforcing again if hes driving with Morris! Cant imagine him an Skaffie having beer together even though they will be both on the same side …Holden!
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November 29th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
What to do with all of his memorabilia!!!!!!!!!! I doubt Ill want a front guard off his new car!
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November 29th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
I’m so sorry Ingall, but if you can’t drive Fords in V8 Supercars anymore, we can’t be friends.
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November 29th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
Will be interesting ME to see how many fans he will have in at Morris…….FOR SALE 1 FRONT GUARD OFF BA FALCON DRIVEN BY RUSSELL INGALL IN 2004 ,ALL SIGNATURES FROM STONE BROS INCLUDING RUSSELLS {BEFORE HE TURNED MAD} HARDLY ANY USE EXCEPT TO PUNT SKAFFIE OFF THE TRACK IN 2004. BEST OFFER!
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
lol now you ford blokes know what its like to loose some of your good drivers to the other side, suck it up ya big babies, you stole brighty, ingall, bargs and ofcourse lowndes and that all seemed fair, but then one of em returns to holden and its “aww bugger it i dont like him anymore”
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
grow up richo….. what about wincup HOLDEN ditched??? poor ford! maybe holden has realised what talent they have lost!
Ingall was great, but i hate to say it he has lost it a little? morrises? what is he thinking!
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Its not the fact he gone to Holden but where he has ended up at Holden………even if Morris drove a Ford I would still think he was an idiot. I am a huge fan of Russells have been even when he was with LP….even got some of that stuff too.So mate its nothing to do with him leaving for the dark side sorry……….In regard to Brighty…..after the way they treated him at Holden and especially after RECK Kelly punted him off in to the wall at high speed when he was in a Holden at Indy years ago,I really felt Holden just looked the other way at Reck,again!!!! Maybe theres something we all don’t know about Russell going over to Morris…….like buying his/Dads raceteam in the future? Who knows what he was thinking……..?
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Let us not start a one-eyed augument! Ingall is getting old and when drivers get old, they don’t drive as well as they use to.
Sure Ingall won ‘05 championship, but the team he’s going to is not a very fast regular winning team. If he went to HRT, things will get…You know!
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Your right about the talent being missed in Holden Tonyn….I think thats another reason Steven Richards came back to Ford!
I wish Jason Richards would come over….hes too nice a guy to be on the RED team! Or maybe the Skaffie arrogance hasn’t quiet rubbed off on him yet…..not that hes fond of Skaiffe anyway!
Lowndes will tell you hes always been a Ford man anyway!
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Hey ME ease up the old bit……hahaha Jim Richards at 59 is still doing a good job…..Russell wasn’t ever that far behind James Cortney…….I think it was the Stones Set up in their cars! Where they use to blow the other teams way with their engine now it seems half the Ford teams use SBR ENGINES,what they need to do is use 888s set up for the cars. It all seemed to go down hill for SBR when Ambrose left,I think he use to set the cars up well for them. My opinion anyway! I cant see him ever going to HRT………that being said who would have thought he would have ended up at Morris?
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
I wonder how many drivers on one side are about to get a better deal from the other side when their times up with the team they currently with?
BTW Philip Island soon, I hope the same s*it won’t happen again.
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November 29th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
I think the Ford teams will be ensuring it wont! They wont want to lose again the same way!
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November 29th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
hey richo,
dont forget when brighty was with HRT he was with ford before that. Same with Richo he was with ford before perkins. (not you the other Richo).
Missile,
i agree, lowndes has always been a ford man at heart. i still have all the magazines from around the time he made the switch and he openly admitts he didnt like the way holden were heading and the way they operated.
the proof is also in the fact he left HRT when he was in undoubtidly the best cars out there at the time.
all the guys that heve been at holden then came to ford i have liked anyway. Bargs is a character, ingall tells it as it is with out bias to how pays his bill, Brighty has a true desire to compete as a fair team doing everything for himself (and he was ford before that), and Lowndes…….well he is the guy that gets voted the nicest and fairest guy in the league year, after year, after year.
i agree jason richards can come to the blue side too if he wants. (nice bloke)
for me to like ingall if he went back to holden it would have to be in perkins colours. morris is a totally reckless driver that only gets to keep racing on the back of his daddys money.
in saying that i think we will be surprised in the speed ingall might show in a morris car. they have got ok speed its just morris cant keep from hitting people, so a better driver should see ingall easily top 10 all the time
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November 29th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Im not saying Russell cant be faster in a Morris car than Morris ,guy is always guaranteed to start on the last few positions.I just cant chant go Russell when he drives past me next year in a Sirromet Car……especially sitting with the all the FPV club members like we do normally!
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November 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
I mean 12 months ago you could guarantee’s Skaffie,a Sirromet car or a WPS car would fall off the track….WPS have got better,but thats it!
I mean can you imagine poor Russell sharing a car with Morris at Bathurst? Hows that seat ever going to fit him?
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November 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
ha ha ha
ingall share a car with morris?
i reckon ingall might be working on some polite excuses right now for the time where it is suggested they team up. he would be assured a DNF if that were the case, or well back due to all the drive throughs that morris would pick up for reckless driving.
oh and from before……..
it has to be alex davison over fabian coulthard for the glenfords seat.
wheelnut,
is dewalt taking major signage or just putting more money in?
the whole of glenfords racing has one of each major tool manufacturer a little louder than the other on each car.
Dewalt, Hitachi, and Makita.
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November 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
One DNF……….I guess as many as there are to team up for the ENDUROS………….I want to cry. So does that mean hes moving Julie and the girls?
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November 29th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
I believe that if Paul Cruickshank obtains one of the Super cheap licences [no pun intended] Dewalt would sponsor one of the cars on their own to try and boost their image - Not that it needs it; most of my Power Tools are De-Walt.. they’re awesome.
So you would have 2 major sponsors in the one team similar to the way SBR has Jeldwen and [?] and DJR are expected to have Jim beam and Coke.. it appears to becoming quite popular in Pit Lane
However; I’d say it all depends on PCR getting the 2nd car.
at least the car would be easy to see - being Bright Yellow
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November 29th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Just another boring Common-dore
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November 29th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
ha ha ha
nice pun wheelnut…..”supercheap licences” ha ha ha
i reckon dewalt has been trying to get a little more prominent in V8’s for a while. they have been doing that dewalt challenge thing in merchandise alley for a while now. they must be finding that the V8 audience and the tool buyers audience are very compatible.
yeah dewalt tools are good gear. i have a mix of both dewalt and makita mainly. some tools i find better to use in makita and some better in dewalt.
im still doubting your take on a solely sponsored Coke DJR falcon for next year….how are you getting onto that track?? im not doubting the more dollars from coke idea just the coke taking over major signage for next year.
currently on the DJR site they have a poll going asking whether people think they should revert back to the red/white colours for next year or keep the current black/white scheme.
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November 29th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
heh sorry my sense of humor is a bit strange, i was actually having a joke at how ford fans get all excited when one of their drivers leave for the other side and holden fans do the same visa versa. It’s no secret though that in recent years ford has had a larger “driver budget” then holden has as holden has prefered to pile money into the teams themselfs more then the drivers. If you actually look at the drivers who have left holden, they have all done it for the right reason:
Ingall - couldnt get along with larry and holden couldn’t find him another competitive drive
Whincup - Roland Dane was willing to pay him alot more then Tasman Motorsport where
Bright - Ford gave him a better opportunity to set up his own team then Holden could
Richards - Alot more money then Larry Perkins was willing to pay, Holden didn’t have another competitive holden drive to offer him
Bargs - Holden didn’t want him anymore (which was sad)
Lowndes - Was very bitter at Tom Walkinshaw for pulling the money out from underneath him in europe effectively ending his Formula One dream, then Uncle Tom refused to let him drive for any other holden team other then HRT, and because lowndes didn’t want to drive for the team owned by walkinshaw he left for ford
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November 29th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Richo,
mate we could go on for ever with the driver swapping reasons i feel,
Whincup,
holden failed to recognise his full potential but roland did.
Ingall,
couldnt get along with SBR and ford couldnt find him another competitive seat. ingall also wanted to move to QLD which meant it 99% odds had to be ford
Bright,
he went to FPR before his own team so that couldnt be a full excuse. he was also ford before HRT too. prob his most memorable/historic moment in V8’s came in a ford…….Bathurst ‘98
Richards,
once again was with ford before perkins and like brighty one his most memorable/historic moments involved winning bathurst ‘98 with brighty.
he returned to the team where he once was. also castrol played a big part in setting him up. castrol was one of those sponsors that likes to follow its driver. just like caltex appears to be following ingall
Bargs,
well i agree there. holden didnt want him……yep sad
Lowndes,
thats right, if you treat a good NO terrific driver like shite then…well… what do you expect?
I think he was also chasing the QLD lifestyle too. he loves it on his farm up here.
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November 29th, 2007 at 9:07 pm
Bright definetly went to ford for his teams sake. Ford where willing to help his team start up by providing him with not only financial support, but also ALOT of technical support from FPR, however part of the deal was that in return he had to drive for FPR for two seasons. Brighty said when he left PWR that he wanted to start his own team and prefered it to be holden, however he couldn’t knock back the ford deal.
The rest of what you said is pretty much right, except that lowndes moved to queensland a couple of years before he left HRT, his original ford team was melbourne based, as was FPR, 888 is the only queensland based team he has ever raced for. That part of the deal never entered the equation for him as he always intended to live in queensland regardless of where his team was based. His intention was never to leave HRT, infact he has even admitted in recent times that he had actually agreed to drive for fred gibson in a holden (kmart racing) but when walkinshaw blocked the deal craig’s hands where tied and he had to go to ford, and fred gibson wasn’t about to see craig lowndes slip through his fingers so he went to ford with him! Greg murphy at the time was very upset about it because he was driving for gibson motorsport/kmart racing at the time and the move effectively left him out of a drive, however holden salvaged the kmart racing deal by merging it into HRT, hence why at the time HRT and kmart racing where refered to as the “evil empire” as people thought that HRT’s dominace would spread into kmart racing aswell, however their fears where not realised when uncle tom’s racing empire went pear shaped
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November 29th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
sorry i screwed up in there, i said lowndes’s intention was never to leave HRT, i meant his intention was never to leave HOLDEN, ofcourse he always intended to leave HRT because he hated tom walkinshaw for what he did to him
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November 29th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Richo,
yep but there is no fun in flying to melbourne to go to work if cause you want to live in QLD. you cant tell me that didnt make the decis