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NSW to crush hoons’ cars

By Matt Brogan |

NSW Premier Morris Iemma plans to introduce legislation whereby hoons’ cars will be destroyed in controlled destructive tests. The video footage will then shown to the perpetrator in what is hoped will curb what he cites as “potentially lethal, property-destroying, anti-social behaviour”.

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“The modified, loud and often illegal vehicles confiscated from car hoons will be smashed to pieces in our crash labs, the results filmed and analysed, and the wrecks shown to other young drivers as a warning,” Mr Iemma said.

“The RTA [Roads and Traffic Authority] will also use the unique tests to investigate the potential effects of certain modifications on overall crashworthiness and we’ll show the wrecks at education days for young drivers, or at other RTA presentations,” he added.

Police Minister David Campbell has added that the footage will also be publicly aired to deter would be offenders from participating in hoon behaviour.

“Video footage of these once-prized possessions being turned into splintered, twisted scrap will be the clearest message yet to hoons that we’re serious about stamping out their behaviour and saving lives in the process.”

Four cars were confiscated over the weekend in suburban Sydney for alleged street racing. The more sensible among us would suggest that perhaps more initiative need be focused on organised off-street racing such as Drag Safe.

CarAdvice would be interested in your opinions on this issue. Do you feel the proposed legislation would solve the hoon issue or should the Government invest more heavily in driver education and organised off-street events?

Source: AAP


 
  • http://www.importjap.com/blog ImportJap

    As I said on other sites, who gives these clowns the right to destroy someones property, be it owned by them or the bank?

    Will this law apply in a discriminatory fashion to the young, or to everyone? Are you going to crush a growing family’s SUV? Will you compensate them?

    Everybody races and everybody hoons- from all age brackets. Iemma can’t stick his head in the sand and say it’s just the youth. And he can’t be serious about willingly destroying peoples property, this is not a police state.

  • Tonyn

    i feel pretty strongly about this…..

    i think it is wrong or premier iemma to lump all modified car owners with there street racing hoons, i will say it now as i have said again…. most street racers dont drive modified cars…. at least in NSW either

    Most modified cars are owned by enthuiasts…. immaculately maintained to the highest degree…. i own two modified cars… both have never been raced but modified… there in better than new condition.

    I hate to say it but i can guarantee NSW police will over police this law, at this point now you cant even get you modified car out withour them hovering!

    Id love to put my modified car up against a lot of cars on MSW roads and see which is more roadworthy…..

    “ban low performance cars, not high performance drivers” its a good saying i think nsw should look at and educate and educate rather than put these stupid laws in place!!!

  • Andrew

    No the laws would apply to hoons. Whatever their age.

    I’m all for it, if you want to race keep it on the track.

    If you can stick people in jail for committing crimes, then crushing cars is obviously perfectly within the legislative authority of the government.

  • Pat E

    Personally this scares the bejesus out of me, not that i’m a big “street racer” but i do enjoy the odd traffic light Grand Prix, if i was caught doing this and got my car crushed becasue of it, i’d be shattered, not to mention that i’d be in debt to a decent tune with nothing to show for it but a pile of scrap. I think its a bit heavy handed, but if off street drag meets were organised and kept at reasonable costs, the problem would be lessened. The Western Sydney International Dragway (WSID)at Eastern Creek (NSW) hold what they call Wicked Wednesdays, practically every wednesday, you can enter your street/drag car for $50 and you usually get up to 6 runs depending on how many people turn up. This is sponsored by the NRMA and also includes a burnout comp and a best reaction time comp, with cash prizes to be won. This is a great thing to have available, but in the last year the price has gone up twice – from $40 to $45 now at $50 – its not a huge rise, but if the state government got behind these events and gave some support to WSID, it could be held on a weekend when more people could attend and keep more “hoons” off the streets.

    My two cents

  • Simon

    Once again, our re-active governments are appeasing the silver spoon brigade. The solution lies (as you guys say) with organised off-street racing that should be cheap enough for everybody to afford and run nightly (or close to it) to be truly effective. Imagine the revenue they could get on taxing the plethora of Dagwood dogs and coke zeros sold at such an event.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    I strongly believe that if more initiatives, such as Drag Safe, were held in controlled environments for a trivial fee, and monitored accordingly, there would be a significant reduction in the amount of so called ‘hoon’ activities.

    Here in Victoria such events are held on a fortnightly basis for both drag racing and drifting, and although it doesn’t stop hooning entirely, it does provide an option many guys and girls choose to take.

    It’s actually become some what of a sport with rivalries fought out over weeks, even months and has quite a social element to it too.

    Who’d have thought it could become a sport. Something to consider hey?

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au George

    So essentially they are saying its a $20,000+ fine for speeding? Get your priorities straight Iemma.

  • Andrew

    They aren’t going to crush your car just for speeding, obviously this sort of punitive measure will be reserved for the idiots street racing at 120 on a 60kmh road.

    I went to a trial once for a guy who did just that, racing another driver in a lexus is250, it was on a 60kmh 3 lane road and the 8-9 witnesses all testified he was doing 120-200kmh that night.

    He lost control on a small bend and his two passengers died, one instantly whilst the other died slowly from burns.

    Puts these things into perspective.

  • Ben

    Great idea Mr Iemma! Oh, and while we are at it, lets burn down any business that breaks the law and crucify all criminals. Deterrants are the way of the future!

    The three strikes rule is ridiculous, if somebody was on their second strike and was about to be pulled over for the third, the natural impulse is to run. What happens when some hoon actually does run and in the process cleans up a family?

    Why try to align yourself so squarly against a certain demographic? To please another? Maybe this is an example of gaining some political brownie points at the expense of road safety.

    Take Victoria as an example, we have 2 legal drag strips (that the police attend regularly and even have their own drag vehicles.) and the new Drag Tag centre. People need these kinds of facilities to be able to pursue their interests in a safer and legal environment.

    Why not spend some of the money gained from infringements in development of legal off street racing events?

  • Grumps

    I don’t have a problem with it at all.

    Only the morons who drag race should be worried.

    I agree there should be more ‘off street’ events for those who have a need to speed but public roads are used by everyone. I don’t want to be driving my 3 year old son down the road when I get t-boned by a wanker who’s racing his mate.

    As for the deterrent value – some may think twice but there will still be idiots who can’t help themselves. As it is with any law.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Too true Grumps. No matter how harsh the penalty, someone is always willing to try their luck (look at how well the death penaly works for example).

    I think the underlying rationale behind this whole arguement needs a little more thought. Knee jerk reactions are only a band-aid fix.

  • geoff

    if people know that thier cars are going to get crush wont this lead to more people trying to outrun the police

  • Bavarian Missile

    Where there is a will these a way,guy over here has now had 2 cars crushed! He buys junk to act the hoon in and behaves in his good car !

    Dumb law ! Imagine if as parents we taught our children like that or teachers did.

    Some cops just take your car off you for the sake of it sometimes,like the editor of Street Fords had it done to him. Driving his brother blown mustang and cops accused him of doing a burn out whilst leaving a service station. Took the car off him and when he went to court he provided evidence to prove otherwise. No rubber on the road or on his back guards the case was dismissed.

  • Frugal One

    As per current legislation, the ONLY car they won/t crush or repo., is a hire-car.

    So if you want to do burnouts, donuts, roll-backs etc etc, hire car is the way to go [Rental to you Seppos]

    Message for Iemma “Calabria # 1 :-) ”

    Cheers

    F-0

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/ alborz

    This is utterly ridiculous, just because it’s fashionable to do this in the U.S. doesn’t mean we have todo it here! Whats next, we’ll invade other countries because the U.S. does?… oh wait.

    But seriously, what will this achieve? Living in Brisbane I can tell you the Gold Coast has organized street races, whereby the M1 highway is blocked, as in all five lanes are blocked, while a race takes place, very well organized, involving over 30 cars at most times, now lets think about that for a minute, if these people had a race track to go to, why wouldnt they go there? They would, but they don’t have one, so how about we build a race track and make it easily accessible and relatively cheap before we start cubing cars.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    I agree BM, from my own experiences in driving high performance and modified cars for many years, SOME cops do seem willing to pull you over for no apparent reason (once without having yet turned the key I was approached and asked for my license).

    I’m all for being given a wrap over the knuckles if I’ve been a naughty boy, but crushing property that may / may not be mine?

    There also seems to be a bit of French law in these cases, guilty until you prove yourself innocent. I thought we were in the land of a fair go. Let the punishment fit the crime sure but be reasonable in policing it.

    As I see it now, this is discriminatory behaviour fully supported by legislation and in all honesty, most cops wouldn’t know what they’re talking about to begin with when it comes to cars. Many can’t even pick one car from another.

  • Ben

    Unfortunately, the theory “only those who street race have anything to fear” does not apply. ANY visibly modified car owner is instantly judged as a hoon and can easly be caught in a dragnet. I know from my days of having a lightly modified car that I could be pulled over up to twice a month for random checks. While this didnt bother me all that much, I would be scared shitless taking a modified car out of my driveway with this legislation. Even though I know I dont hoon.

  • Tonyn

    BM,
    That is my point exactly, what if you werent street racing, a cop just took exception to the rule and got your car crushed….

    This is the most ridiculous rule ive seen!!!

  • Blake

    Its really a stupid idea.

    1) the punishment is not set.
    1 driver in a $500 datsun 120y races a guy in a $300,000 911. Both guys get caught, punishments are different for the same crime?
    2) this will increase the number of high speed chases, and likely the road toll. Most high performance car owners spend a lot of money, and pour their soul into the car. If they know the car will be crushed, why not attempt a high speed getaway?

    government needs to wake up, the answer is in cheap and legal ways to get this out of people system, and better driver training.

    the above is a reaction to get the majority of voters (non “hoons”) on side, and cover the governments inadequacies.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Hear Hear Blake! Well said.

  • laurie

    let enthusiasts take care of the hoons

    laurie

  • Flying High

    ….simple fact of the matter is that in this country, irrespective of what law is passed, irespective of how much your freedom is inpinged yet again, the people will bend over and take it straight up the rear exhaust.

    This law, which will be passed, will be yet another example of the fine ‘democracy’ we live in…

  • Tonyn

    yeah, and NSW is the worst for silly motoring laws such as this!

  • Andrew

    Pfft. Let the idiots try to get away in a high speed chase, just means they will get prison as well as their car crushed.

    As for this law impinging our freedom????? Well with that reasoning I could argue that the offence of murder is impinging my right to kill people.

    Blake as a point though as regards the punishment I guess though, however I don’t see why that should be a reason against introduction of such laws when both drivers are breaking the law and making asses of themselves.

  • Kinetic

    “The modified, loud and often illegal vehicles confiscated from car hoons will be smashed to pieces in our crash labs…”

    So if I an everyday Toyota corolla these laws don’t apply to me? (it doesn’t fit the description)

    This law is just vague enough to give the police free reign to destroy any car because they don’t like the car or the person driving it.

    Congrats to the NSW government to spending money on something useful…a can crusher. I bet they’ll charge you to dispose of your cube as well.

  • Scott

    There are some damn good points brought up in the posts on this topic!

    I think that the power police hold is too high in too many situations already. Yes people should be punished for breaches of the law and yes these punishments should be harsh for repeat offenders etc but to give the power to demolish someones car for being a ‘hoon’ is ridiculous!

    What is going to be the definition of ‘hoon’?
    Two loud cars that race to 70kmh in a 60kmh zone?
    Somebody doing 5kmh over the speedlimit in a clapped out old car that loses it and kills an innocent bystander?

    Now ive sped in the past and occasionally will creep slightly over the limit still but 99% of people (police officers and beaurocrats included!) do. The thing that leaves me uncomfortable is that this power is being given to the police. Many police are great and i have friends in the force but many are also in there simply to serve their egos and i hate to think what one of these smart asses will do when they are having a bad day and catch a young kid with a blow off valve doing 20kmh over just to exercise their authority.

    Again this is more evidence of pencil pushing beaurocrats being too lazy to implement real strategies and outlets for such activities. Instead they are going for the ‘vote winning’ we’ll beat hoons by upping fines and crushing their cars route.

    The other thing that gets me up in arms is i know police officers with performance cars (monaro v8) that regularly does burnouts on public roads and speeds also. Now im not one to judge as ive sped also but i have a problem with him being able to judge me. Who really believes that when someone like him gets caught doing a burnout that his car will be crushed? Very unlikely.

    Drink driving is at least as dangerous as speeding and yet numerous police officers in recent years were caught with B.A readings well exceeding the legal limit and were given cautionary slaps on the wrist for the most part. I love Australia and i like to say we are in a democratic state but every week i see a new rule or law that puts the government and police in a position of more power and seemingly overthrows that very word, democracy..

    Look at the government clown that wants to downplay christmas to eliminate the christian focus and emphasise the celebration of presumably nothing. If your not a christian thats fine, i dont discriminate, but if you dont want a christian theme in it dont celebrate it at all. Its there for a reason and everyone in australia gets a holiday for it so pull your finger out….

  • Tonyn

    ive just rang iemma’s office, he wont take calls on the matter!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…..trust you!

  • Ross

    I must say I agree with the majority of people here.

    The problem here is that the politicians are a law unto themselves – a similar process to when they desire a payrise. The simply sit in parliament and one person says “I propose a 10% pay rise this year. All in favour say ‘I’”. That’s it. Done, dusted and FINISHED.

    Who says it will stop at crushing cars?? If they can justify crushing someone’s $60k car quite happiliy and throwing it away, what is stopping them from taking peoples houses to in future? Where does it stop?? WHERE IS THE LINE??

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Perhaps we should take a look at Mr Iemma’s personal driving record and see if we can apply the three strike rule to him? :P

  • Tonyn

    oh yeah i will fight this!!!

    BM… maybe instead of burning bras out the front of parliment we could burn some tyres? lol……

    it is ridiculous…. i even rang the local paper seeing if they would do a story on actual car enthuiasts! mayby then the public could see were not all hoons!

    Im a troublemaker huh?? lol….

  • Tonyn

    i would love to put his limo against my TS50 and see which one is more roadworthy!!

    Iemma might be like bob carr and not have a licence!!

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    A Premier without a license passing road laws… what’s next, Minister for the Arts passing health laws? Minister for Defence in charge of finance?

  • Tonyn

    its true… bob carr had no licence the whole time he was premier for NSW…. whay do you think roads are a mess and we lost all or our motorsport parks and events!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Lookout Iemma……Tonyns comin for ya!!!!!!

    Much more fun to burn tyres Tonyn,better to make smoke than get saggy boobs!hehehe

  • Tonyn

    lol true true!! id much rather watch tyre smoke!!!!

    I should run for politics…. nah…. id get in trouble for modifing my fairlane, the driver wouldnt be able to get it over the speed humps when im finished with it!! hehehehehe…..

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahahaha…funny boy …..they could do with some hummor as well. Perhaps you should run.

  • Tonyn

    would you vote for me? hehehehe…. what could i call my party?

  • Reckless1

    The way to get hoons to show some respect is to show them none, by crushing their cars – not. If Yemma thinks this will work, he’s mistaken.

    People who drag race in the streets are showing massive disrespect for everyone else – and this is generally how a criminal mind is defined. No respect for or observance of the law is a criminal.

    Confiscation of the car for 12 months is the way to do it, not crush it. It could even be sold to pay for the cleanup if there are costs involved such as a smashed fence or a traffic light knocked over, but it can’t be destroyed.

    A criminal mind which has been shown the Yemma way will seek revenge and retribution after his/her property is stolen in this way. Just potentially breeds a hardened crim from a misdemeanor.

    I don’t like hooning – many’s the time a hoon on a trail bike with no exhaust has buzzed up and down my street, and I had to be restrained from poking a crowbar through his spokes….but, that wanker’s either killed himself or grown up. It doesn’t bother me much now, mainly because I’m no longer a sleep deprived parent of toddlers, which was the case back then :)

    PS: I think they should only crush Fords………

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    If, as Iemma says, these cars are unroadworthy, loud, etc, does this not point then to some fundamental flaw in the annual roadworthiness check?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Cause I would vote for you.

    A name…….mmmmm…….where not bogans party

  • Tonyn

    sounds like a plan BM…. will get onto it ASAP!!!…. TONY07? lol

  • Bubba Ganush

    What they should be doing is cracking down on the names on the insurance papers of these so called “hoons cars” I wouldnt be surprised if over half are through MUMMY AND DADDY Finance and MUMMY AND DADDY car insurance.

    theres gotta be someway young kids can get cars like that without getting bumped by the banks and huge premiums paid by insurance firms

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    What a waste of cars there. I supose those hoons need that.

    P.S I think they should only crush Holdenwoos with idiots that call themselves “Reckless1″ :P NOW THAT WHOULD BE FUN TO WATCH!

  • http://Mini Nick J

    Vote Liberal at the next state election. NSW labour has almost rendered NSW unlivable. They are the biggest failure since federation. NSW Health, roads, schools, transport, justice, and most other vital portfolios are in tatters. This proposed legislation is just indicative of the decision making process of Iemma and co. Macquarie St is knee jerk central.

  • Tonyn

    “hoon cars” are what exactly? i know when i was 19 i bought a brand new XR8 with mum and dad taking the insurance on it, and i worked hard to be able to afford that thing! to save $40k+ at 19 was an effort!! if mum and dad didnt help me insurance wise i would of never afforded that car….. so not all people that take out insurance in mum and dads name dont disrepect there car……

    I have tryed for ages, and the only way i now get cheap insurance is a company took insurance in me and dads name then transferred the no claim to me! im 24 with 60% no claim….. other than that the TS50 and GT falcon i own would of costed me thousands!!!

    i think at the end of the day its not modified cars they should target, it should be the un roadworthy cars they are doing it in that should be crushed!!

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    How many times caradvice becomes a political forum? God! That Reckless#1Tantrum is such a one sided idiot. Now I wait for a big “tantrum” from that one sided tosser….

  • Bavarian Missile

    CRUSH ALL POLLIES THAT TELL MORE THAN 3 LIES! THAT COULD WORK
    TONYN07…….ILL GET A TEE SHIRT MADE FOR YOU!

  • Tonyn

    no worries!!!

  • harmful81

    looks like there will be a shortage of ‘high powered’ hoon commodores in the near future.

    Where are they going? well one may argue that they are going to where they should be going to me melted and be used for something more worthwhile rather then be used as hoon’s projectiles. This is a brilliant idea fully support it

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    Yeah, Holdenwoo crap! nothing wrong with Fords so it’s Holdenwoo’s fans that cry to see their shit been crushed. Now is that reckless1Tantrum going to have a Tantrum, or the right thing to do – run away and find out how stupid he is and cry.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Any other W.A people on this site want to join our Christmas get together in DEC? No you don’t have to be a Ford fan ,no bagging models though! Anyone else thats from the EAST is more than welcome to come along ,no I am not paying for your fuel to get here…..hahaha

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX…ease up mate with the lingo hey and gee you sound young as (like 10yrs old)!

  • Jess_s15

    Its funny you know… I know of 30+ cars (modified) that have been stolen in Sydney in BROAD DAYLIGHT, yet the police and the government do nothing. Or the police say they ‘can’t’ do anything. Yet, they can spend hours upon hours harassing genuine car enthusiasts for doing nothing more than driving and enjoying their cars.

    Once the media gets onto it, its a knee jerk reaction. I voted for NSW Labor this year… I’m kicking myself now.

    These laws are really playing on my mind… I wanna do something about it…this is not nazi Germany, we are supposed to be a democracy!!!!

    Jessica.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I might take the Orion for a real test to WA and show you under my bra and under my bonnet too.

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    ^ If I worked for Ford that is

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    Naughtyius Maximus, I don’t know how old he is, but at least he chased of that idiot (Football(NFL) head).

  • Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX

    Reckless#1Tantrum said…
    “PS: I think they should only crush Fords………”

    I told that one sided tosser off and Now that idiots friend “Naughtyius Maximus” came and said…
    “Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX…ease up mate with the lingo hey and gee you sound young as (like 10yrs old)!”

    …I’m sorry to say this but,”Naughtyius Maximus” is an idiot.

  • David

    I don’t respect anyone who does burnouts street drags etc or uses a vehicle in a unsafe manner.
    They have issues that go deeper than the vehicle they own.
    Impound the vehicles of street racers for say 3 weeks.
    For habitual offenders driver education & maybe condemn them to drive something roadworthy but old & underpowered for a while.
    Can’t help but notice the timing of all this during an election.A bad idea that has come from the USA which will cost a heap to administer.
    Instead of the expense & agro of this exercise sponsor free driver education & raceway events.

  • wheelnut

    The thing is If a hoon [in NSW] knows his car will get crushed.. there’s no way he will risk his modified Nissan GT-R; Hyundai Excel; Impreza; Commodore or Falcon.. He’ll nick your BMW M3 or Porsche 911..

    However; if the hoons want to make a point they could nick the premiers and the ministers government limos. This would prove how stupid the law [and Iemma] is.. it would be repealed as taxpayers won’t want to keep replacing $60;000 Statesmans each week

    [not that I'm condoning such action it's just a suggestion]

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    I bet out of the cars going to be crushed, most of them would be R33 Skylines.

  • wheelnut

    I doubt that showing videos of someonelses car being destroyed is likely to deter a hoon from continuing their moronic ways.. afterall the reason hoons do what they do – street race/drag race is because they have a superiority complex “it won’t happen to me..”
    They believe that they won’t get caught; and that their driving skills are as good as if not better than Skaifey or Lowndes so that should they lose control they will be able to get out of it.

    The other thing is that in relation to modified cars NSW has the most restrictive regulations in terms of what you can and can’t do to a car when compared to VIC SA and WA.

    Having said that as most Hoons are often 18-24yo men they often do things to their car in an ad-hoc way by simply tacking all sorts of things on to the car.. they work on their car whilst its still on the road.

    Car enthusiasts do things more systematically which is why they often refer to their car as a project they take the car off the road and don’t drive it until its 100% complete; safe and certified by engineers.

    Which is why a properly built street machine looks a lot better and is alot safer than your typical hoons car

    And because a car enthusiast cares for his car more he is less likey to be involved in street races etc he would more rather just cruise around

    Unfortunately it’s anotther case of the minority ruining it for the majority

  • Bavarian Missile

    Well said Wheelnut.

  • Flying High

    It must be understood that this law targets ANYONE who happens to accelerate enthusiastically from a green light – this is not restricted to some young-un cruising around in their done up\riced up Gemini \ Torana \ Commondore \ Falcon \ Rex \ Lancer etc – it could happen to YOU and it is WRONG.

  • saftey

    Too many poeple die on our roads, as far as i’m concerned if your not breaking the law you’ve got nothing to worry about!

  • MatthewM

    Trust Labor to violate private property rights like this .. Bloody Socialists! 8-D

  • Steve

    I’m not one of those worried about this “law” coming into play as I do tend to keep that sort of driving for the track or Live For Speed.

    But at the same time I still feel as though they are going about solving the issues of bad driving the wrong way. More so to me, this is almost a bully tactic.

    I wonder who foots the bill for crushing all these car? I think it would be a lot more productive and financially beneficial to take possession of the cars and sell them at auction.

    As far as bad drivers go? Well, there’s always going to be ones that ruin it for everybody. Maybe if the license tests actually tested your driving ability, we might start seeing better quality drivers on the road that;

    A. Know how to drive
    B. Respect other peoples lives
    C. Stop being patronised with stupid childish finger gestures using extravagant ad campaigns.
    D. Stop coming up with band-aid solutions by taking disgruntled drivers cars away from them and crushing them.

    If they go ahead with this idea, what stops me from putting a large bollard that pops up from the ground in my street every time someone flies past at 90 km/h down my suburban 50 km/h street because the traffic lights down the road turned red?

    What stops me from going out there and taking a picture of the car as it zooms past?

    What stops me from throwing a hammer at the window or shooting the tyres?

    All these things sound ridiculous. Don’t they? So how can the government bring in such a law? I know, I know…. they are ridiculous, so the law is rather fitting.

    Though I wonder how Iemma will deal with it if he’s caught maybe getting down the M5 a few kays above the limit because his flight we delayed and he had to be in Canberra fast? Would they take his car and crush it?

    What if a guy in a panic had a pregnant wife about to give birth? I dare say if my wife and I were in that situation, I would be travelling above the lpeed limit (10-20 km/h over). Which is what Sydney traffic does daily. Not to mention between the hours of 8:00am and 9:30am to 2:30pm to 4:00pm in school zones.

    Hey Iemma! Take down the flashy signs you promised most NSW schools (yeah, the ones you actually put up like you said you would…. not the ones schools put up on their own) and fix the condition of our roads…. or better still, make driver EDUCATION compulsory. I’m sure he drove around like he was head car at a funeral when he get his drivers license.

    *cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

    Steve

  • Sexythang

    why not just confiscate the modifications. and detune it back to factory spec. plus a fine to pay for the work.

    or maybe sell the car off and buy them a prius. hehe

  • Jamison

    Its excessive but not completely unreasonable.

    I think off-street racing/drag racing promotion is still the best way to do it.

    But there are complete tools and just heroes out there who literally think they are Schumacher driving 40~50+ kmph pass the limit, its also worth noting that usually with passengers, and most likely as most of you guys have seen on the news, horrific crashes.

  • Tonyn

    i dobnt think the ruling is un reasonable…. but there is a certain amount of people accused of street racing or burnouts that dont do it….. what happens then?

    Guys you have to admit the police in all states do give modified and performance cars a hard time, and sometimes they do get it wron… its too late if they crush your car!

    Hava a look at that article barvarian missile put up here…. there is a perfect example of the police getting it wrong…. what bost is that BM…

    Yes driver education should be compulsory…. but they shoudnt be crushing cars…..

  • Tonyn

    sorry i ment to say where is that post BM?? i cant type today!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Tonyn……Ill have to try finding it.

    Took me an hour to write it,I remember that!

    Maybe I could contact Roy the editor’s of Street Fords to see if he has a saved copy of it,our car is meant to be on the Front cover SOON,maybe even the Cobra too…..stay tuned.

  • Tonyn

    Yeah i t was a long post but worthy of this topic!!

    Does street fords have a new editor? there old editor brushed my Xa but street machine have just done a shoot on it for there ford magazine! go figure!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Not sure if hes new?

    I know mags are funny like that,when we first had ours in street machine 10 years ago our local mag Perth street car didn’t want to know about it cause they wanted an exclusive!

    Ill contact Roy cause I have given up trying to find it!

  • Tonyn

    good stuff….. i finally get my GT back in 10 days!!!

  • http://barina Stevo

    I fully support community supplied legal street racing venues. This is the way to go and all levels of Govt. has been sadly lacking in this area.

    BUT…once again this site has shown what a bunch of red neck, uninformed tossers it contains.

    This legislation will be based upon the successful ‘Hoon’ legislation that already exists in other States such as Qld. Under this legislation you get thee (3) opportunities to modify your behaviour before having your car confiscated. It is seized for a month on the first occasion, 3 months for a second offence, and then finally ‘possibly’ seized permanently for a third “RELEVANT OFFENCE’ A relevant offence doesn’t mean simply speeding or modifying your car illegally, it will have to be an offence of such seriousness that it involves Dangerous Driving, Street Racing, or similar public endangering behaviour.

    FINALLY, THE COPS DON’T DECIDE YOUR CAR GETS CRUSHED, THAT WILL BE THE COURTS DECISION. Unless you’ve lived under a rock all your life, police enforce legislation, written by politicians who majority of YOU…YES YOU…voted for. The police don’t write the stuff, just enforce it!!! Everyone is presumed innocent of the offence until a Court decides you are guilty. REPEAT NOT THE COPS.

    So the sooner people pull their heads out of their backsides and take responsibility for their own stupid behaviour the better.

    And until you’ve lost a child or loved one to the actions of someone who was just having a bit of harmless fun, then I can’t see that your opinions are worth diddly squat!

    Caradvice, include all the facts and don’t just post articles which encourage simple minded cop bashing! It shows you have no better journalism skills than our daily rags. Your site has been better than that.

  • Casey

    Unfortunately Stevo, you’re failing to recognise that it is generally the cop’s “discretion” that ends up in an individual being placed in front of the court to begin with, and in instances where the cop may have it in for a particular individual or set of individuals, the favour is certianly stacked one way.

    It’s not just car nuts who can have the red neck.

  • Tonyn

    stevo,
    Car advice has put up what the NSW government has released….

    I have lost an family member due to reckless driving and still feel this is a stupid law…. there is an article that barvarian put up here is a clear example of a police officer getting it wrong… if this rule was in place it would set him up for possible crushing of his car.

    I have read all posts on here and in no way does anyone support wreckless driving of any kind…. all i have been saying is that what idf a police officer gets it wrong and sets someone that is INNOCENT of street racing up for his car to be crushed.

    I have respect for the police, most are motoring enthuiasts like us all, but there are some who like to reign down on everyone with power…. and sadly enough that can lead to INNOCENT peoples pride and joy to be crushed. Wether they not be responsable for the final decision or not, it is them who sets the ball rolling.

    Its not cop bashing you halfwit…. i think everyone is afraid that if you own even a mildly modified car you will be targeted…. And your red neck comment was not warranted… anyone that has travelled from sydney to the summernats know that the cops make asses of them selfs to make car enthuisats look like hoons when it isnt the case! now imagine how many inncoent people get doen that weekend, i admit, there is a small number that need to be punished…. but there is a majority of us that look after and take care of our modified cars… and shamfully my opinion is these laws will get exploited!

    cops deserve a lot of respect, they do a great job, but sometimes they do get it wrong

  • Bavarian Missile

    So I take it your a COP or a Polly!

    I know the cops don’t decide if your car gets crushed but they do decide if your doing any thing wrong even if you weren’t.This is part of the 3 strikes and your out legislation that will be then determined by a court IF YOUR CAR IS CRUSHED. What you think the police never do the wrong thing,they treat everyone the same on the road. Pffft ,I have been around for a while now and have seen plenty of cops pull over cars and book them for NO reason except they drive a modified car. My son is a bit of a ricer head and was in a car run one night not doing anything wrong and the police pulled him over to drug search his car…….no they found nothing pulled everything out of his car ,no apology just left everything on the pavement. At the resent GT NATIONALS in WA all the cars where being scrutinized and the Police showed up to see what was happening,make sure we were all behaving ourselves. Millions of dollars of early GT Falcons some like ourselves that had spent weeks detailing them don’t turn around and miss treat them on a public road. Why don’t you guys try catching some real criminals .

    So yeah maybe some people should pull their heads out of the rears …..but the sure are a few cops that could do the same and stop tarring all car enthusiasts with the same brush.

    Most of the time cops will yellow sticker you for a modification thats legal,you have to take the time off work put it over the pits for the guys at the pits to tell you ,cops have no idea what is legal and whats not .So not only are they waisting our time by doing this but also the guys at the pits that are always flat out!

    Mate I guess your allowed to have your opinion but I doubt you will get much support from most on any car enthusiasts sites. Unless they drive a Prius!

  • Bavarian Missile

    damn…….I was so busy answering this idiot that I missed your last email.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Forewarded to me by Roy…….thanks again ,

    “You may remember from last issue I mentioned my brother’s blown ’67 Mustang. I was out recently driving the Mustang on a Saturday night, and you wouldn’t believe what happened.
    I had actually just finished doing a wedding with it for a mate. On the way home, I thought I’d pull into the local service station to top up the juice and grab a bite to eat.
    So, here I am in this bright red, blown, sweet-sounding Mustang that runs 11.0sec on the quarter and it’s got wedding ribbons on it. I pull in, get the juice into the fuel cell, check the engine fluids. All is good.
    I go into the shop to grab a bite and head for the counter, where I’m greeted by a young bloke who is so excited that I chose his service station to fill up at. We have a little chat about the car, which is cool as I love talking cars to just about anyone.
    Back in the ’Stang, I fire her up and head out the driveway. I give the blown Windsor a little throttle – nothing major, and definitely not over the speed limit of 70km/h.
    I’m cruising down the main road, windows down, 347 Windsor singing along and enjoying the great night weather, and then it hit me. I remember that I need to get some doughnuts for my wife.
    So, I pull into the Krispy Kreme establishment. There are a lot of young guys in all sorts of cars hanging out, so there was no parking. Off I go into the drive-thru! I kill the engine and start to order.
    The next thing that happened blew me away. I hear the sound of a police car siren, and I look in the mirror to see an unmarked XR8 Falcon behind me. I think to myself, ‘What does this guy want? A better look at the car? Does he want me to get out of the way so he can get his doughnuts first? Who knows?’.
    He strolls up to my driver’s side window and says that he is impounding the car for doing – get this – a burnout! I say, “What! You must be kidding right?”.
    “You did a burnout when you left the service station back there,” he says.
    As you can imagine, I was in total shock. I start up the car and proceed through the drive-thru – sans donuts of course. I park the car, get out and say to the officer “Where’s this burnout I did?”.
    He replied, “You did a burnout and we are taking your car”.
    WTF? Apparently, when I left the service station, I did a miraculous burnout with no tyre squeal or smoke. Hell, I didn’t even have any rubber on the quarter panels! The unmarked XR8 was in the car park of the adjoining fast-food outlet and supposedly witnessed this alleged burnout.
    The officer proceeds to write me up a ticket for a burnout to the tune of $461 and three points, not to mention the car confiscation paperwork. While he was filling in this scrap paper, I questioned him as to why he would wait about five minutes and travel 1.8km (I measured it) before pulling me over in the drive-thru. If I had done such an act, he could have just raced out and pulled me over on the main road.
    He looked at me and smiled. I concluded that he let me go into the complex so he could make an example in front of the youngsters in the car park.
    Now get this, while he was writing up the ticket, a Nissan 200SX creeps past us in the car park and goes over a speed hump scraping its belly all over it. I turned to the officer and said, “Hey, make sure you wait 10 minutes before pursuing that car too”.
    I tried to explain to him that he must have been confused by the sound of the blower whine and loud exhaust, so when I accelerated a little, it may have sounded like a burnout but wasn’t. He brushed that reasoning off.
    Before I knew it, a tilt tray turns up and I had to load the car up. We went to the station where they photographed the car as well.
    Handing over the keys to my brother’s car was the most strange and uneasy feeling I can tell you that’s for sure. Explaining the whole thing to my brother and wife – well that’s another story altogether!
    The car was to be impounded for three months as per the law, but I wrote a letter to the local commander. After reviewing the circumstances, he released the car after two weeks along with the tow truck and storage fee of $562.
    I took the matter to court, as I truly believed I did nothing wrong, and I wanted to make an example of this police officer.
    Finally D-day arrived and I shuffled into court with my witness-the service station attendant from that night. The beek heard the evidence from the police, or should I say lack of…Their stories didn’t gel too well either.
    He heard my evidence and I was quizzed by the prosecutor with regard to traction and all things scientific. Now, remember I have an Applied Science degree here up my sleeve, so I fired back answers he couldn’t fathom and had him scratching his head on more than one occasion!
    I told you that science degree would come in handy one day. The beek had no choice but to dismiss the matter entirely! Roy 1 Police 0 ”

    Fords Truly,

    Roy Velardi – Editor
    Street Fords

  • Casey

    …and of course ‘Stevo’ is no where to be seen. Just like the cop who failed to turn up to court in my hashed up ‘negligant driving’ case that was throw out by the Judge.

  • bob

    lets get all the so called hoons and rally up down past his office the just park along his street all day all night

  • Tonyn

    i think car enthuiasts should stage a rally!

    I have been trying to get in contact with iemma’s office today, he wont take calls, and i have left a message with the editor of the sydney morning herald, mayby they might like to do an article about real car enthuiasts… maybe that might get the HOON tag to go away!!

    Yeah i think stevo is a cop, and there not all bad, but some let the power get to there head!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Cool blockies……havent done that for years!

  • Tonyn

    Blockies? is that the WA term barvarian? hehehehe……

  • Bavarian Missile

    Nope Tassie…………

  • http://barina Stevo

    Ah, Bavarian, you see the system worked for you in the end, on this occasion. Perhaps all the hastle you went through is Karma for all the other burnouts you’ve done in your life, yes on public roads that I helped pay for!

    Oh, but of course, the cops only ever get it wrong the one time you didn’t do anything wrong. What about all the times you get away with it. What a joke. Who are you kidding but yourself. You sound like the biggest sore loser.

    We all do things wrong and 99.9% of the time we get away with it, but hell, the .1% of the time we get caught, it’s the cops who got it wrong, or I never do anyting illegal.

    The point of my comment was that you get 3 chances. Yes 3. If you haven’t worked it out by the 3rd occasion then I don’t have any sympathy if your car gets crushed.

    You can have a very hot car without it attracting all the wrong attention from the cops. Get smarter, by all means do the occasional burnout, have a bit or a run at the lights, but don’t keep whinning about it when you occasionally have to pay the price.

  • Tonyn

    were not talking about doing a burnout stevo, do you think all hot car people do burnouts! wake up to your self!!! i have a modified car and have never…. honestly NEVER pulled a burnout in it!

    What we are saying is what about when a cop does get it wrong, or in the case accuses someone of something never done…. which i hate to ay it the police to pick on modified performance car owners… not all the time, but sometimes they do…. pure and simple!

  • http://barina Stevo

    Waiting…..

  • Tonyn

    waiting for what?

  • http://barina Stevo

    That is what Courts are for! Yes the cops may get it wrong occasionally. But fair dinkum, you generally attract the wrong attention by 1. your attitude, 2. previous history, 3. local knowledge.

    You’d have to be unbelievably unlucky to be wrongly accused of doing the wrong thing on 3 different occasions, have the chance to put your case before a Magistrate and then still get your car crushed.

    In all the years the Hoon legislation has been in place in Qld, I am not aware of one car having been permanently confiscated. Correct me if you can but even if I was wrong the number would be in single digits.

    Knee jerk reactions…

  • Tonyn

    there not talking three strikes with this rule but….

    i agree attitude is everything… but in cases like the thursday before summernats where they block off the highway… pull every modded car in and start defecting and confiscating when your car when you have done nothing wrong…. is that a problem with our attitude??

  • http://barina Stevo

    No I agree with your point of generalised policing on every car being checked out etc.

    I have owned hot cars over the years too, but I have barely ever been pulled over. That’s because when I do have a bit of fun I try as much as possible not to infringe on other peoples rights and condersations.

    I can tell you most cops don’t enjoy standing on the side of the road pulling up every hot car and going through them at these venues. But when you are employed in a job you love, sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. You try and be fair to all concerned but when you cop a mouth full of abuse the moment you come up to the window, it’s not hard to work out who’s going to cop a ticket or three.

    I have let off so many people who have the right attitude I can’t count them.

    It is the vocal locals who cause police to over react to situations like Bathurst etc. or where someone got bashed by drunken yobbos that cause twice as many police to be there next year. Yes the minority make it worse for the majority but you can’t blame the police for reacting when public demand they do something!

    I don’t try to generalise when I go to work, so please don’t generalise about my profession when I come home to read this site.

    Got to run, will back later tonight to answer further comments.

  • Tonyn

    i sort of agree with you but again you have generalised the modified car fraternaty as well.

    I admit, i have never had trouble with the cars that i have owned, but again, i have been polite and obeyed the rules as best as i can.

    I think anyone that does do burnouts or street races should be punished, there endangering not only there own lives but others.

    But what about the “blitz” weekend where modified car owners do get generalised, how many polite car enthuiasts get done , how many of there cars will get done. Sorry no matter how you put it im sure there will be innocent people lose out.

    What i cant understand, is you say police react to public demand, but its the minority that cry out for it.

    While were talking of generalising, i think iemma has dont that by lumping all modified and performance car owners together as “hoons”……

  • Casey

    Stevo, there’s rights and wrongs to both sides of this arguement, and most points made are valid, but c’mon mate, you’d have to admit you’ve got colleagues who like nothing more than to give someone a ticket and a bit of attitude just because they can… it’s intimidation tactics and there are those who do it – tell me I’m wrong?

    I know there are good and bad in any group, car enthusiasts, cops, etc, and true it is the minority that make it bad for everyone else, but besides taking it all the way to court, what other come back does the average Joe have against a copper who will always have the law on their side, who generally wins the “it’s your story against mine” issue, and who usually thinks that because they wear a blue uniform that they’re right.

    Again, it’s stereotyping and I’m not havin’ a go at all those of you brave enough to look after the rest of us, but don’t sit there and defend the pricks who make life miserable for those of us who enjoy our cars.

  • Me.

    Hello every one! Hopefully Holden fans won’t use me for the first person to target because my name was an old FORD slogan. Now i’ve changed it back to Me.

  • Bavarian Missile

    The biggest sore looser……how?

    I am simply stating how the Police target modified cars …
    Mate I have been driving for over 20 years and yes when I was younger and silly I got picked on and I guess because sometimes I was an idiot. But other times when I was equally as stupid in something the Police wont look at like BMWs and Porsche’s no hassle ,only time I got pulled up in anything EURO was when I took the front number plate off my new 3 series cause it looked cooler,I was 20! Then I got away with driving around without one for 12 months! Roys story was also about targeting modified cars to prove a point …..that back fired for them. Never lost my license in 20 years and only time I have ever been done for speeding I got let off cause I was in a BMW with a low top on! These days when we drive our extremely modified XAGT Coupe….we get pulled over purely to take a look at it! So mate your assumption on KARMA is wrong!

    Who cares about the times you don’t get caught,is that a reason to get targeted and booked for all the times you never got caught!Give me a break!

    If I get booked for doing something wrong then fair cop, excuse the wording but I shouldn’t or my kids get targeted cause they may have before or simply because they drive a modified car get picked on!

    Your not a regular to this site……so what made you come on and post today! So what type of modified cars have you had…..I guess well would be interested in that!

  • Me.

    It’s a Shame I haven’t even had a speeding ticket?….yet!

  • Me.

    My old name is going good so far…
    I herd storys when people drove their classic sports cars down the street, the police would come and follow them untill the cows came home hopping to see them break the speed limit.

  • Bavarian Missile

    I think you should stick with ME as a name its easier to reply too…hehehe

    No speeding tickets yet? Even with speed cameras ?

    I have nothing against the police ,I wouldn’t be one for quids the crap they put up with,but targeting modified cars purely to prove a point is wrong.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Hi ME,

    I can relate to that one mate, being followed. Not to list places, times, etc. But it was well over 40km distance and I can assure STEVO that I had not done a thing wrong. I was eventually pulled over for a “Random” Licence Check (what the hell is that anyway), and let go of course having not done a thing wrong.

    But my point stands, it’s intimidation – as I think CASEY mentioned, and it’s unfair. All I had done wrong was to look young (lucky me) and drive a classic 70′s muscle car (lucky me again).

    Cheers Matt

  • Bavarian Missile

    So true Matt……guess thats why we don’t get pulled over and and booked any more cause where old! Imagine if Roy hadn’t of fought his conviction it was left to some poor 22 year old to stand up in court and explain the evidence………you think he would have had the same result as the smarter more articulate over 30 year old had ?

    I doubt it!

    I would like to see the proof that this helps in the road toll!

  • Me.

    BM bet you’re happy i’ve got a shorter name back!! LOL

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…..yep along with others too !

  • Bavarian Missile

    Anti spam word was BMW ……couldn’t resist!

    So remind me again ….where is the XA at the moment,Tonyn?

    What issue of Street Machine is that coming out in?

    So wheres NM/Klink?

  • Going Ford, Is The Going Thing

    God, NM’s name is too long,LOL! It was better when he had KFC. 20 to 1 just had a quick moment of Craig Lowndes’ Bathurst win last year, pretty crap.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Iaaaaaaaam baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack….Ha Ha Ha Ha

  • Bavarian Missile

    Where you been? Not still debit collecting? Hate to be a builder at least in our business its no cash no car. hahaha

    Even in the workshop it was the same!

  • Me.

    weeelllcccooommmeee baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack….Ha Ha Ha Ha

  • Bavarian Missile

    Anti spam word was BMWM3 spooky!

    NM nothing to say to Stevo….I was so looking forward to some of your eloquent language!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Right you are the squire Missile, seems like trusting sidekick TOYOTA PAUL is not around.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Missile. Speaking of tools in workshop, are there any tools on here as seems sedate as

  • Bavarian Missile

    Yep your not wrong, don’t tell me your now missing Paul?

    Seems that Stevo on this blog was it for the day!

    AndrewM I think is on stress leave still…..hehehehe.

    Tonyn and I have been chatting on and off line a lot of the day!

  • tonyn

    lol…. yeah we chatted on and off today!!

    I have lent my GT to a ford dealer… trusting huh! they have it in a FPV Display!

    It is supposed to be in a upcomming street machine fords magazine, no set date yet!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Your still up?

    Very trusting……

    How many pics did they take of it?

    Time to rumble again at Simmons Plains this weekend…

    I am off for the night, talk tomorrow!

  • http://barina Stevo

    So BM, you only want people to comment that can afford to get on the computer every five minutes to have a whine and be regulars. Very boring! Sorry, I have a life to lead, but yes, I do enjoy picking up on some of the comments on this blog, but no, I don’t take it so seriously, as you and others do. I realise we all have a point of view and on this occasion I could offer a point of view from another perspective.

    Yes, traffic branch cops give me the shits too. My mod cars, although not grand include, RS 2000, XW GT, XD 351 ESP 4sp, Cordia Turbo (don’t know what I was thinking there!) and now, I’m in family mode (yes wish I had bought the hard top XA too, but didn’t…spent it on the kids going to school).

    Point is, you get d…heads in every profession, cops included. But generally they are only doing a job. You whinge about the laws they enforce, but hey, they don’t write ‘em. You haven’t addressed the point that it is the politicians that draft the laws and pass them, having consideration to all the local members who YOU vote for, voting on the legislation. If you don’t like the laws, tell your local members, change them, and then they won’t hassle me to having to enforce them.

    I love a mod car as much as anyone, but like I say, if you want to be a tool, do the wrong thing, get caught on the 99th time you done it, don’t whinge. Simple. Don’t do the wrong thing, enjoy your car hobby and leave the fun for the track, the most that will happen is having to pull over occasionally for a sus. and then get the nod to drive off. If you hang out with tools, you’ll get treated like one…and don’t tell me at the street car meets everyone behaves themselves. You don’t see too many cop hassles at organised car swaps and meets, only the tool squeezer ones at McDonalds.

    But hey, I’ve never written up an XA hardtop. My favourite. You’d be right in my neck of the woods.
    I and most other cops love writing up Porsches and BMWs. They can afford it but put on the biggest blue. Problem is most car enthusiast run into only TRAFFIC COPS. Perhaps I won’t have such a problem with this blog if you confine your comments to Traffic Cops!!! Not popular with anyone, but someone has to do it to prevent anarchy on the streets.

  • http://barina Stevo

    Hey Mat, some random licence checks actually come up with a car load of stolen property, taken from your house whilst you were out with your mates in the mod car. Also find a surprising number of amphet labs in boots. Bread and butter for cops. People don’t just come up to us with their illegal booty, we do have to go lookin, and unfortunately the price to pay is most people have nothing to hid and DO have a licence. Inconvenient but a small price to pay. But perhaps we should just drive around waiting for the REAL CRIMINALS to put their hands up! Don’t hold your breath.

  • http://barina Stevo

    Leave comments, be back in the morning.

  • Tonyn

    yeah still up, they took about 30 to 40 photos? yeah i trust the guys where it is, its my mate who owns the BMW dealer too so were good mates!

    GO DJR at simmons plains… i will be at work tryint to sell and watch the fords!!!

    Stevo while i understand what your saying i think this blog is directed at highway patrol/ traffic cops so i wouldnt get so beaten up about it…. you did admit just then but police do target some types of cars….

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Heh, I must look like a crack head then, seem to get random license checks even when I’m in a base model Fiesta. I can see your point, perhaps we need to look at things from the other side of the fence too, but I just wish some cops would take that attitude too. Have a good one.

  • http://barina Stevo

    Agreed. Unfortunately I have to sit next to some of the tools you talk of for an 8 hour shift, but generally am senior man and therefore concentrate on the blondes, not the cars. Gotta get some enjoyment.

  • Tonyn

    good one stevo, there has to be some enjoyment to your job hey!

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

    Ahhhh he’s human after all :) Joking Stevo. Enjoy your day mate.

  • Tonyn

    suprising, i never get pulled over in my GT (touchwood) other than to let the law enforcment people have a closer look… as enthuiasts!

    I hope he is human… i guess you could be robocop… hehehe

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh look Stevo came back…….

    Of course I want you to have more comments on the site! I guess as the Director of a Company I can afford to spend more time posting on this great site……cause Im not spending time watching Blondes!!!hahahah

    I thought I had made the point though that Cops dont know what there looking at ,so amending laws wont fix anything if they still keep booking you for wrong mods. My hubby reminded my last night about the time we were driving the XAGT Coupe with a 671 hanging out of the bonnet when a policeman pulled us over for a look…….”is it a V8 ” he says! ………….RIGHT !

    As you say Stevo there are bad eggs in every profession..I just don’t want them targeting me !

    Your forgiven if you have owned an XW GT and the ESP…last of the Clevelands! Was your XW a Winsor or a Cleveland?
    69 or 70 model I guess Im asking!?

    Guess Im hoping your not from W.A ……..cause I don’t want you targeting the M3 hehehehe

  • http://barina Stevo

    Sorry for the late reply if you’ve checked back in.

    Windsor in the XW but loved the Cleveland in the XD (not XE).

    And Queenslander until my blood changes colour, not likely any time soon. Safe in WA, but as said, XAs my favourite, you’d be right!

    Shall continue to keep you on the straight and narrow though!

  • Tonyn

    going a bit off topic…. see ford has announced they are reviewing the FPV Territory… trying to make it look more agressive…. thank god!!

    That was a poor attempt by FPV! reminded me of tickford days!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ah so a 69 XWGT……..bet you wished you still owned that like the rest of us that have since sold a lot of Aussie muscle cars.

    Yet another QLD on the site…geez!

    hahaha…….I guess I will be checking in my mirror here then in case you have any colleges on the lookout for me then !

    I am with you Tonyn……it was a pathetic attempt by FPV.

  • Bruce

    It is no good saying if you don’t race you won’t need to worry. my 17 year old P plater son was driving his old 1.3 litre stock standard Suzuki Swift out of the Pizza Hut car park where he had a job delivering. it was wet, the first time for weeks, as he left his tyres squealed for a few seconds (he said it was the wet caught him by surprise). There is no suggestion he was racing or speeding but he was booked for doing a burn out and his car confiscated. The cops were in a car in the car park. If it happens again his car is confiscated and sold! Is this fair?

  • Tonyn

    not at all bruce, that is what i think everyone is talking about, the police do go too far sometimes!

  • Aware

    What the hell…

    That is going too far. I’m sure that many officers would be shocked to see nice cars similar to what their kids may even have crushed to scrap with thousands of cash and hours spent on it.

    Fair enough don’t be irresponsible, but why not give the driver a chance to realise what they are doing before traumatising them. I’m sure many people at a young age have done stupid things that aren’t safe and it’s a phase that runs cold for most. How about confiscation of the vehicle for 3 months and in order to retrieve the vehicle, they have to pass a “Responsible Driving” course where they see graphical videos and images of what happens when it’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt…take all the fun out of driving like a hoon and show the logic of it, perhaps a 3-day course? Also go over the vehicles for any illegal mods too. If the driver continued to be a hoon, then why not confiscate the vehicle and sell it at an auction? That way the police force would have more income and the car should end up in the hands of a responsible driver (ensuring their record is clean).

    Another arising problem could be that if someone crushed the wrong person’s / group’s car, there could be some crazy gangs/mafias, etc that could retaliate…despite the consequence of prison. Not saying it will happen but it’s possible as anything is.

    It should be properly thought through. This took me 10 minutes to think of a solution which leads to a safer and friendlier outcome. If Morris Iemma stopped taking his power-trip pills and used his brain, a much better solution could be arranged.

    Not only that, most accidents aren’t caused by modified or illegal vehicles but by unmodified vehicles with a bad driver or unroadworthy. Usually high, tired, peer pressured, unaware or drunk. Every driver should learn that whenever crossing the road/lane changing or merging that they should not only check if there is a gap…but the SPEED they are going as well. That’s what catches most out in accidents. There are idiots on the roads that go in excess of speed and a lot of drivers assume that they are doing 50, 60 or whatever, when really they could be going 3 times that (hoon or real emergency). This would help in high speed crashes, even though in excess of such speed is totally irresponsible, it does still happen and when it does, it’s very grim. It’s all a part of driver awareness and hazard perception.

    Proper training in a legally modified vehicle would ensure safer roads…I’m sure many would pay to have a professional help them control their modified car instead of being overconfident and really not knowing the limits of what can happen on a public road such as oily surfaces, wet, muddy, etc. Mastering your vehicles in any condition (even pedestrians crossing the road and braking hard) would increase reflex reactions and minimise the chances of casualties or fatalities of the driver, passengers or pedestrians.

    Thanks for your time.

  • Christian

    Why dont we just cut off the hands of people who talk on there mobile phones while driving?

    This just means people will use fake plates when going out and if they do see flashing lights they will just leg it from the cops.

    “if i stop they crush my car if i keep going and they catch me they crush my car”

    There is nothing to loose then…

    People need to put there thinking caps on when they are talking shit in politics.

  • Christian

    After just reading basically every post on this message board there are good points form both sides.

    I have to say i drive 2 cars the first being a 4 door family car that i have never been pulled over in. And my Race built car road registered i drive occasionally on weekends. That gets pulled over every time i drive it. and usually end up with a defect for somehting that was eaither a. legal on the car or b. somehting sutpid like no H pattern on a gear knob as a rust bucket with blown rings is belting blue smoke down the highway 10k’s over on bald tyres. Biast much? On several instances i have had police ridicule my rwd nissan and say why would you evan bother with this? Anyway back to the point

    It’s funny how people say Oh they are police they never do anything wrong they are the law we must obey. That is tarring a specific group with one brush. Just like they do to us car enthusiasts. Sure there are police out there who drink drive home sell drugs and arms and all sorts of ridiculous things. And there are also idiots who decide to do 200k’s through george street in there mothers lancer they put stickers and an air filter on.

    There are extremes to both sides. I for one have never been treated by respect when being pulled over by a member of the NSW Highway Patrol. They allways follow you turn on the siren geton the loud speaker “Pull over driver” in the middle of peak hour traffic on paramatter road when u are coming home late form work.

    And it is always for a random breath test that they happen to randomly do a u turn chase you 500 meters down the road then decide to say “we are now going to perform a defect inspection” sit you there for half an hour while they sit in there car reading your engineer papers test every light in the car. ask you to rev your motor to see if you have a blow off valve.

    I for one am sick of it! what sort of society do we live in. Its like american police walking down the street seeing a man of African descent and saying sir we are now going to search you for drugs and weapons when he was doing nothing wrong. there was a reporting of a robbery get in the back of the car your going to jail.

    If this isnt police flexing the old authority muscle then i dont know what is. I would for once in my life like a Highway patrol officer to show me the respect i show him, rather then you having to put your tail in between your legs stroke his ego and suck his cock in the hope he wont send you to the EPA for something you have had checked twice!

    How many times have people here been to a bar been asked to leave because you are intoxicated “after 2 beers” refuse ot leave and then get man handled by the man for being a public menance. Then you ask for the police officers name or badge number so u can report him u end up with cuffs on and taken around the back and being belted. But no people dont think these things happen “if you where just sitting there doing nothing its because you stood up and said hey thats not right i havnt done anything wrong and htey dont want to hear it”

    Same thing with this law officer i wasnt speading thats it out of the car dont get smart with me brings in a tow truck stretchs the almighty power trip and shows that person who was boss so he can go home trying to feel better about himself.

    Police are a public Service…

    yet when my car gets broken into they come 1 week later to take prints.

    Police should start policing criminals… how many times have you seen “bikies” cruising down the m4 over the speed limit past coppers through traffic and they do nothing.

    This country has to wake up to its self.

    We should be able to vote about what goes on in our country. we should have a say in the future of how we run this country. Not be told like children this is the way it is deal with it. And for speaking my mind like this people will tarnish me with the he is anti social brush because i dont like to bend over and take it up the ass. Australia needs to grow some balls and let the people work out what is best for this country.

  • mike

    so we are still bandade fixing every thing.
    1.driver traning
    2.if you insist on theft of some ones property then at least auction it of and th eproceeds go to accident rehabilitation .
    and thridly who polices the police as i have met to many corrupt ones over the years to trust them with anything.
    i worked in the security industry in sydney and seen what they are realy like not the public image that they advertise

  • bob

    this laws are stupid,i am a normal person(have a job, dont do drugs, dont fo around starting fights, dont get involved in any type of crime)but i do burn outs in my car and drift, yes i know its dangerous and will continue doing it untill i wont see those things as very xiting anymore, i do it only in places where i know i want hit any 1 (industrial area on weekends) and i only do it when i am the only person in the car and say there is a cop that sees me doin it? wat?? i get my car confiskated?? for having a lilttle bit of fun that couldnt hurt any 1 but me, i just see that as unfair and it would only piss me off and make me do more stupid things and stuff my life up over nothing.they should just give harsh jail time to ppl that crash their cars while doing something stupid with the car and in process cousing injuri to other ppl or take their licence away for a very long time. so far the only ppl that smashed my cars are all mature ppl who were not speeding or doing any thing that would be considered hooning, if government is serious about ppls lives y not teach those ppl who drive by the speed limit and still crash their cars, once i got a bad head concusion as a result of such mature and so called good drivers who drive by speed limit but cant even control their cars at speed limits, but no they wana pik on me who hasnt lost a point on a driving licence, never scratched my car or any body elses car. i say get a life u stupid government

  • Chris

    Hypocrites ..and why because generation X and Y did not invent modifying cars grandpa did back in the 1930s and you did making hot rods of the 1950s and now that you don’t do that kind of thing no more makes you decide its a good idea to ban it. so seeing you don’t listen to the latest music any more perhaps you should ban that to. No music made before 1980 to be allowed to be played on the radio. Just because your not interested in dancing better ban that wile your at it. How narrow minded is it to say if you have a modified car to be a individual is to label you as a hoon, well lets put a different perspective on this shall we, do you own a 4×4 ? did you put driving lights on it ? if you did then that illegal that’s a non factory accessory and your landcruser can now be confiscated,, how about a bull bar ? illegal, super diggers ( tires & rims ) illegal, tow bar oops illegal caught 3 times driving that 4×4 of yours its going to be confiscated and sold to raise revenue for the government, and why because YOU ARE A HOON, you are driving a modified car, What’s that you don’t go around drag racing or doing burnouts well nether do i so why am i a hoon ?. Now i hear you saying oww that’s just rubbish they would never do something like that well guess what ? The can and they already have i have known heaps of people that drive dead stock standard cars that have never even had a parking ticket before in their life that have 3 kids and a job and have been driving to work at 7am to be booked for having thous little fog lights under the bumper bar and now become of these new laws the cars can be locked up, who do you think is going to be next on the chopping block when all the “hoon cars” have been crushed or sold and de-modified ? I think its fantastic that if you spend heaps of money making your car one of a kind that you are now going to lose your car when you have done nothing but drive to work of a morning. Let me ask you, when you drive past a car park full of hotted up cars and the youth of today standing around chatting and looking under the bonnets of the car parked beside them do you say to your self ” look at all thous bloody hoons some one should do something about them” ? yes indeed they should, they should make car mod-ing illegal hey so all thous young people instead of spending 1000s of hr working on their car can spend 1000s of hrs at the pub or club and get a new hobby like smoking the latest drug like ICE or Crack or shooting heroin or something constructive like that so then you can have your house broken into and all you stuff stolen, well come on sitting around doing drugs all night is much better then being in the garage spry painting or installing a stereo ? I would like to know how many car accidents are from modified cars compared to old age drivers or compared to normal cars. id also like to know why ever time i see a cop car it is never doing the speed limed or why i saw a highway patrol officer talking on his mobile phone whilst driving the other day marked police car. I would also like to know why i heard on my mats scanner wile watching tv the other week a police officer say that he had his car off the clock at over 240kph to catch up to some one doing 130kph on the highway and last of all id like to know what gives you the right to class me as a HOON and a danger to the public because i drive a modified car and have got every point left on my licence. I would be proud of my son for building a one of a kind car, spending his money on something like that and not pissing it up against the wall or taking drugs,,, just face it this is revenue raising and publicity stunt at its finest. our charming media getting on the band wagon and dramatising every thing to make more money. custom cars unsafe OMG what a joke i will pit my 25yr old modified car against your bran new car any day of the week in the form of handling, braking and reliability, i have never been booked for doing burnouts or drag racing so why am i a hoon ? if my car was stock standard it would have been written off many times by now form all the silly old idiots that don’t know how to give way or use roundabouts if i didn’t have spots brakes and spots suspension then you would be paying for increased insurance costs.. it wasn’t a hoon that wrote off my last car 4 years ago by pulling out in front of me, nope it wasn’t,, it was a 82yr old bloke on his way to the dog track that was booked for neg driving and i didn’t see that in the news,, and why ? because its not sensational enough. if it happened to be some one in a hotted up car then that would have been national news, “Hoons strike again when will it end” . I very much doubt if these comments will even be published but some of you need to realize we are not all sheep some of us like to be different and not all have the same looking cars as a million other people do, some of us modified car drives have kids and jobs and don’t drink don’t take drugs, don’t drag race and don’t kill people on the weekends and some of us think that YOU are hypocrites for spending half your life doing what you have now banned us from doing, so next time you think about getting a winch for your 4×4 or bad mouth someone for having a done up car you might just think about some of the things you have done over the years. I believe in karma and in case you don’t know what that is it is when you are in hospital dyeing of ass cancer and asking god what you ever did to deserve it, you might think about how you have stoped some one from doing something they love because it doesn’t interest you, Because you think that having a trunk full of giant speakers makes the person having them a idiot really makes YOU your self a idiot because you don’t understand not the other way around, Hopefully you will realize that if the government keeps making laws for the sake of making laws or to make it look like their earning their massive pay checks and new laws everyday get made because the media decide to flog a dead horse because it sells then one day the people will say we have had enough and their will be civil upheaval or worse still some one might take away something that you enjoy doing heaven forbid.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Chris, I agree with a lot of what you say, but please use paragraphs.

    One giant sentence makes a long post like that VERY hard to read.

  • Baz

    I wonder if all the opponents to this legislation would take a different view if their best friend, mother, brother or grandma etc etc were killed or left in a vegetative state by these reckless idiots. Pull your head in, take a look around, families are being destroyed by the carnage on our roads. Its simple, dont do the wrong thing and you dont lose your car. These laws arent tough enough do deter all you dickheads

  • DEBO

    my car and my mates car was taken off us for alleged street racing and we sure werent which really pisses me off the most i worked so hard for my car and they just took i away for no good reason i admit i love to thrash a car here and there but when i get accused for somthing i did not do it really gets me goin ,,, plus they did not have us on camera or radar and they didnt even confiscate our license nthis is just ridiculus but i am fighting it in court i have fou witnesses has this ever happened to any body if it has let me no what you went through so that i can prepar for this shit!!!!

  • Gym

    Dear Baz and other likeminded people maybe your should do some research before you open your mouth and make yourself look even more ignorant and stupid then you already appear.
    There were 169 hooning-related accidents involving injury and property damage in the period 1999 to 2004.

    According to road safety statistics of the Queensland Road Safety Authority (Queensland Transport 2005) they indicate that there were over 100,000 accidents in Queensland in the period 1999–2003 and therefore represent roughly one quarter of one per cent of these accidents, yes that right – 0.4% of all accidents in QLD were coursed by hoons!!!

    Quoted from a year1 law student

    The new anti-hoon laws override the presumption of innocence”

    Australian citizens should have the right to a fair trial, the anti-hoon laws do not provide this because the presumption of innocence before guilt means that before you can be punished for your suspected wrong-doing you should get a trial in court. The hoon laws allow officers on the spot impound rights at their discretion.

    The target for the punishment is not accurate in some circumstances where the hoon is driving a vehicle other than their own, this creates a situation where the innocent is being punished for a crime they didn’t even commit.

    Another problem is that discretionary powers vary from officer to officer, and fair and just enforcement is not possible when police are given the power to impound what can be $100,000 + of some ones, (or someone else’s) property.

    Being a strict liability offence means that it is almost impossible to prove innocence, unless you have evidence to present in court that proves you didn’t commit the crime.

    (End Quote)
    I would strongly suggest that before becoming another mindless pawn in the media’s dribble you decide to look into things a bit further.
    Ps BAZ find something better to do then watch a current affair that crap will destroy your brain cells.

  • http://Hotmail.com pprejewrnfkjfw

    u cops cant catch me!!!!

  • ifixup

    the fact remains,by enforcing unjust powers to the authorities,to assume whom they like,instead of validating proof of actuall street racing,them whom commited an accident,them whom have qualified truly for the penalty,it will undoubtably lure more innocent parties,to engage in a unsafe highspeed police chase,because its well known fact there are lame +cowardly autorities who like to play god,as opposed to going about their jobs in a justified +ethical manner.personally if ye ask me,coppers that dislike decent entuiasts + APPRECIATE TASTEFULL CAR RESTORATIONS ARE POOFTERS IN MY BOOK(EVEN THE MISSUS AGREES ON THAT ONE)CONVERSLY ANY COPPER WHOMS WORTH THEIR RESOLVE WOULD REALISE THE BEST METHOD TO AVOID UNDUE CARNAGE IS TO BACKOFF YE SPEED CHASES TO 170KPH AROUND URBAN AREAS,THAT WAY IT WILL LESSEN THE RISK OF UNDUE EXCESSIVE CARNAGE WHICH IS TENFOLD TO THE SUSPECTED CRIMES.
    ABOVE 170KPH NO ONE NOT EVEN THE BEST F1 DRIVER IN THE PLANET COULD COUNTER AN UNEXPECTED EVENT IN LOCAL URBAN AREAS.THE SMART COPPERS KNOW THIS ,ASLONG AS THEY GOT THE REGO PLATE,NO WORRIES THEY FIX THE CULPRITS THEN.
    ABOUT TIME LEMMA WISENS UP TO HIDS EXISTENCE + ATTEMPT TO LURE A MORE COMPROMISED STRAGETY TO A/LESSEN THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH SPEED CHASES+ B/RE DEFINE THE POWERS TO A MORE COMPROMISED + ETHICAL NATURE OF OBTAINED EVIDENCE BEFORE AUTHORISING THE TOWTRUCK TO TO YE CAR AWAY.
    IF THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE CAN CO OPERATE IN A MORE RESPONSABLE + ETHICAL MANNER,THEN I AM CERTAIN THERE WOULD BE MORE RESPECT TO ALL INSTEAD OF THE BRAVE + JUST OFFICERS.
    GENERALLY THEM WITH REASONING + UNDERSTRANDING + LIKING TO DECENT MODIFIED CARS ARE WORTH THEIR SAK,AS FOR THE BEANCOUNTING LEMMA HJ STEREOTYPE LAMER ASSUMERS,BURN IN HELL,YE AINT ABOVE GOD.

  • Lancelot

    Hoons are terrorists and should be dealt with like terrorists. Crushing their cars is not enough…

  • ariia

    OMG!!!!! how rude is this lawit should not be passed.. its cruel why not just auction hte cars or something crushing is a waste and in many ways causes more problems. people are still going to keep goin at just watch us!!!!!!!!!

  • cops=wankers

    i drive a classic “hoon” car i have a toyota supra and its all 100% legal the only mod been adjustable suspension.i got pulled over first day i had it and the copper even said to me to watch out for the highway patrol guys cause they will defect me for it been too low even tho she found nothing wrong with it.
    another story in my old school falcon first week on the road after 3 years of restoring driving down the main street cops do an illegal U-turn at the traffic lights and pulled me over for a “”random”" breath test (after i decided to be a smart arse to them and go round the block to end up behind them) then tried to defect a 45 year old falcon i near sedan, he told me to make the exhaust quieter (nothing wrong with it) so i didnt fix it i saw that same copper several times after he pulled me over and he never agin pulled me over to tell me to get my exhaust fixed.
    are they trying to discourage us not to mod our cars when they have modified patrol highway cars supposedly to catch us hoons i guess. but do cops have nothing better to do than pull over a car that has obviously had tousands of hours and money spent on it. the amount of times i get some guy in a little hatch back with fusion stickers on the back window,coming up beside me at the lights wanting to race in lasers or protons or something.
    but seriously crushing a car for an offence is rediciolus, if more events like off street drags were organised and the RTA and NSW police got on top and promoted and sponsered them, then everyone will be happy cause hoons wont have to race on the street to see if they can beat that car.

  • Jim D

    Yet a drink driver can go back to his car in the morning when he is sober and drive it around until he appears in court.

    Stupid law by stupid uniformed politicians.

  • http://hfg atekay

    Not everybody hoons, and if you think everyone does then speak for yourself. statistics show that out of 400 drivers whose cars were impounded were mostly male and only 4 were female. this article isn’t stating that if you have a nice car it is going to be crushed it is stating that if you are caught being a hoon you will have to suffer the consequences. I am sick to death of hearing about losses on our road because of hoon drivers. this laws need to be tougher to stop this ridiculous craze. The article in the Herald Sun of October 26, 2006 state that hoons are not getting the message. If you feel the need to be a lead foot and put others in danger then fine but you must suffer the outcome leave it on the race track isnt it better to hoon in a control environment such as calder park then to be on the streets were innocent bystanders could get hurt.