NSW to crush hoons’ cars
12 Nov, 2007
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NSW Premier Morris Iemma plans to introduce legislation whereby hoons’ cars will be destroyed in controlled destructive tests. The video footage will then shown to the perpetrator in what is hoped will curb what he cites as “potentially lethal, property-destroying, anti-social behaviour”.
“The modified, loud and often illegal vehicles confiscated from car hoons will be smashed to pieces in our crash labs, the results filmed and analysed, and the wrecks shown to other young drivers as a warning,” Mr Iemma said.
“The RTA [Roads and Traffic Authority] will also use the unique tests to investigate the potential effects of certain modifications on overall crashworthiness and we’ll show the wrecks at education days for young drivers, or at other RTA presentations,” he added.
Police Minister David Campbell has added that the footage will also be publicly aired to deter would be offenders from participating in hoon behaviour.
“Video footage of these once-prized possessions being turned into splintered, twisted scrap will be the clearest message yet to hoons that we’re serious about stamping out their behaviour and saving lives in the process.”
Four cars were confiscated over the weekend in suburban Sydney for alleged street racing. The more sensible among us would suggest that perhaps more initiative need be focused on organised off-street racing such as Drag Safe.
CarAdvice would be interested in your opinions on this issue. Do you feel the proposed legislation would solve the hoon issue or should the Government invest more heavily in driver education and organised off-street events?
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:37 am
As I said on other sites, who gives these clowns the right to destroy someones property, be it owned by them or the bank?
Will this law apply in a discriminatory fashion to the young, or to everyone? Are you going to crush a growing family’s SUV? Will you compensate them?
Everybody races and everybody hoons- from all age brackets. Iemma can’t stick his head in the sand and say it’s just the youth. And he can’t be serious about willingly destroying peoples property, this is not a police state.
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:38 am
i feel pretty strongly about this…..
i think it is wrong or premier iemma to lump all modified car owners with there street racing hoons, i will say it now as i have said again…. most street racers dont drive modified cars…. at least in NSW either
Most modified cars are owned by enthuiasts…. immaculately maintained to the highest degree…. i own two modified cars… both have never been raced but modified… there in better than new condition.
I hate to say it but i can guarantee NSW police will over police this law, at this point now you cant even get you modified car out withour them hovering!
Id love to put my modified car up against a lot of cars on MSW roads and see which is more roadworthy…..
“ban low performance cars, not high performance drivers” its a good saying i think nsw should look at and educate and educate rather than put these stupid laws in place!!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:40 am
No the laws would apply to hoons. Whatever their age.
I’m all for it, if you want to race keep it on the track.
If you can stick people in jail for committing crimes, then crushing cars is obviously perfectly within the legislative authority of the government.
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Personally this scares the bejesus out of me, not that i’m a big “street racer” but i do enjoy the odd traffic light Grand Prix, if i was caught doing this and got my car crushed becasue of it, i’d be shattered, not to mention that i’d be in debt to a decent tune with nothing to show for it but a pile of scrap. I think its a bit heavy handed, but if off street drag meets were organised and kept at reasonable costs, the problem would be lessened. The Western Sydney International Dragway (WSID)at Eastern Creek (NSW) hold what they call Wicked Wednesdays, practically every wednesday, you can enter your street/drag car for $50 and you usually get up to 6 runs depending on how many people turn up. This is sponsored by the NRMA and also includes a burnout comp and a best reaction time comp, with cash prizes to be won. This is a great thing to have available, but in the last year the price has gone up twice - from $40 to $45 now at $50 - its not a huge rise, but if the state government got behind these events and gave some support to WSID, it could be held on a weekend when more people could attend and keep more “hoons” off the streets.
My two cents
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Once again, our re-active governments are appeasing the silver spoon brigade. The solution lies (as you guys say) with organised off-street racing that should be cheap enough for everybody to afford and run nightly (or close to it) to be truly effective. Imagine the revenue they could get on taxing the plethora of Dagwood dogs and coke zeros sold at such an event.
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:44 am
I strongly believe that if more initiatives, such as Drag Safe, were held in controlled environments for a trivial fee, and monitored accordingly, there would be a significant reduction in the amount of so called ‘hoon’ activities.
Here in Victoria such events are held on a fortnightly basis for both drag racing and drifting, and although it doesn’t stop hooning entirely, it does provide an option many guys and girls choose to take.
It’s actually become some what of a sport with rivalries fought out over weeks, even months and has quite a social element to it too.
Who’d have thought it could become a sport. Something to consider hey?
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:45 am
So essentially they are saying its a $20,000+ fine for speeding? Get your priorities straight Iemma.
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:49 am
They aren’t going to crush your car just for speeding, obviously this sort of punitive measure will be reserved for the idiots street racing at 120 on a 60kmh road.
I went to a trial once for a guy who did just that, racing another driver in a lexus is250, it was on a 60kmh 3 lane road and the 8-9 witnesses all testified he was doing 120-200kmh that night.
He lost control on a small bend and his two passengers died, one instantly whilst the other died slowly from burns.
Puts these things into perspective.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Great idea Mr Iemma! Oh, and while we are at it, lets burn down any business that breaks the law and crucify all criminals. Deterrants are the way of the future!
The three strikes rule is ridiculous, if somebody was on their second strike and was about to be pulled over for the third, the natural impulse is to run. What happens when some hoon actually does run and in the process cleans up a family?
Why try to align yourself so squarly against a certain demographic? To please another? Maybe this is an example of gaining some political brownie points at the expense of road safety.
Take Victoria as an example, we have 2 legal drag strips (that the police attend regularly and even have their own drag vehicles.) and the new Drag Tag centre. People need these kinds of facilities to be able to pursue their interests in a safer and legal environment.
Why not spend some of the money gained from infringements in development of legal off street racing events?
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:17 am
I don’t have a problem with it at all.
Only the morons who drag race should be worried.
I agree there should be more ‘off street’ events for those who have a need to speed but public roads are used by everyone. I don’t want to be driving my 3 year old son down the road when I get t-boned by a wanker who’s racing his mate.
As for the deterrent value - some may think twice but there will still be idiots who can’t help themselves. As it is with any law.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:20 am
Too true Grumps. No matter how harsh the penalty, someone is always willing to try their luck (look at how well the death penaly works for example).
I think the underlying rationale behind this whole arguement needs a little more thought. Knee jerk reactions are only a band-aid fix.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:21 am
if people know that thier cars are going to get crush wont this lead to more people trying to outrun the police
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Where there is a will these a way,guy over here has now had 2 cars crushed! He buys junk to act the hoon in and behaves in his good car !
Dumb law ! Imagine if as parents we taught our children like that or teachers did.
Some cops just take your car off you for the sake of it sometimes,like the editor of Street Fords had it done to him. Driving his brother blown mustang and cops accused him of doing a burn out whilst leaving a service station. Took the car off him and when he went to court he provided evidence to prove otherwise. No rubber on the road or on his back guards the case was dismissed.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:30 am
As per current legislation, the ONLY car they won/t crush or repo., is a hire-car.
So if you want to do burnouts, donuts, roll-backs etc etc, hire car is the way to go [Rental to you Seppos]
Message for Iemma “Calabria # 1 :-)”
Cheers
F-0
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:30 am
This is utterly ridiculous, just because it’s fashionable to do this in the U.S. doesn’t mean we have todo it here! Whats next, we’ll invade other countries because the U.S. does?… oh wait.
But seriously, what will this achieve? Living in Brisbane I can tell you the Gold Coast has organized street races, whereby the M1 highway is blocked, as in all five lanes are blocked, while a race takes place, very well organized, involving over 30 cars at most times, now lets think about that for a minute, if these people had a race track to go to, why wouldnt they go there? They would, but they don’t have one, so how about we build a race track and make it easily accessible and relatively cheap before we start cubing cars.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:34 am
I agree BM, from my own experiences in driving high performance and modified cars for many years, SOME cops do seem willing to pull you over for no apparent reason (once without having yet turned the key I was approached and asked for my license).
I’m all for being given a wrap over the knuckles if I’ve been a naughty boy, but crushing property that may / may not be mine?
There also seems to be a bit of French law in these cases, guilty until you prove yourself innocent. I thought we were in the land of a fair go. Let the punishment fit the crime sure but be reasonable in policing it.
As I see it now, this is discriminatory behaviour fully supported by legislation and in all honesty, most cops wouldn’t know what they’re talking about to begin with when it comes to cars. Many can’t even pick one car from another.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:37 am
Unfortunately, the theory “only those who street race have anything to fear” does not apply. ANY visibly modified car owner is instantly judged as a hoon and can easly be caught in a dragnet. I know from my days of having a lightly modified car that I could be pulled over up to twice a month for random checks. While this didnt bother me all that much, I would be scared shitless taking a modified car out of my driveway with this legislation. Even though I know I dont hoon.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:41 am
BM,
That is my point exactly, what if you werent street racing, a cop just took exception to the rule and got your car crushed….
This is the most ridiculous rule ive seen!!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Its really a stupid idea.
1) the punishment is not set.
1 driver in a $500 datsun 120y races a guy in a $300,000 911. Both guys get caught, punishments are different for the same crime?
2) this will increase the number of high speed chases, and likely the road toll. Most high performance car owners spend a lot of money, and pour their soul into the car. If they know the car will be crushed, why not attempt a high speed getaway?
government needs to wake up, the answer is in cheap and legal ways to get this out of people system, and better driver training.
the above is a reaction to get the majority of voters (non “hoons”) on side, and cover the governments inadequacies.
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November 12th, 2007 at 11:51 am
Hear Hear Blake! Well said.
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:00 pm
let enthusiasts take care of the hoons
laurie
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
….simple fact of the matter is that in this country, irrespective of what law is passed, irespective of how much your freedom is inpinged yet again, the people will bend over and take it straight up the rear exhaust.
This law, which will be passed, will be yet another example of the fine ‘democracy’ we live in…
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
yeah, and NSW is the worst for silly motoring laws such as this!
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Pfft. Let the idiots try to get away in a high speed chase, just means they will get prison as well as their car crushed.
As for this law impinging our freedom????? Well with that reasoning I could argue that the offence of murder is impinging my right to kill people.
Blake as a point though as regards the punishment I guess though, however I don’t see why that should be a reason against introduction of such laws when both drivers are breaking the law and making asses of themselves.
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
“The modified, loud and often illegal vehicles confiscated from car hoons will be smashed to pieces in our crash labs…”
So if I an everyday Toyota corolla these laws don’t apply to me? (it doesn’t fit the description)
This law is just vague enough to give the police free reign to destroy any car because they don’t like the car or the person driving it.
Congrats to the NSW government to spending money on something useful…a can crusher. I bet they’ll charge you to dispose of your cube as well.
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November 12th, 2007 at 12:54 pm
There are some damn good points brought up in the posts on this topic!
I think that the power police hold is too high in too many situations already. Yes people should be punished for breaches of the law and yes these punishments should be harsh for repeat offenders etc but to give the power to demolish someones car for being a ‘hoon’ is ridiculous!
What is going to be the definition of ‘hoon’?
Two loud cars that race to 70kmh in a 60kmh zone?
Somebody doing 5kmh over the speedlimit in a clapped out old car that loses it and kills an innocent bystander?
Now ive sped in the past and occasionally will creep slightly over the limit still but 99% of people (police officers and beaurocrats included!) do. The thing that leaves me uncomfortable is that this power is being given to the police. Many police are great and i have friends in the force but many are also in there simply to serve their egos and i hate to think what one of these smart asses will do when they are having a bad day and catch a young kid with a blow off valve doing 20kmh over just to exercise their authority.
Again this is more evidence of pencil pushing beaurocrats being too lazy to implement real strategies and outlets for such activities. Instead they are going for the ‘vote winning’ we’ll beat hoons by upping fines and crushing their cars route.
The other thing that gets me up in arms is i know police officers with performance cars (monaro v8) that regularly does burnouts on public roads and speeds also. Now im not one to judge as ive sped also but i have a problem with him being able to judge me. Who really believes that when someone like him gets caught doing a burnout that his car will be crushed? Very unlikely.
Drink driving is at least as dangerous as speeding and yet numerous police officers in recent years were caught with B.A readings well exceeding the legal limit and were given cautionary slaps on the wrist for the most part. I love Australia and i like to say we are in a democratic state but every week i see a new rule or law that puts the government and police in a position of more power and seemingly overthrows that very word, democracy..
Look at the government clown that wants to downplay christmas to eliminate the christian focus and emphasise the celebration of presumably nothing. If your not a christian thats fine, i dont discriminate, but if you dont want a christian theme in it dont celebrate it at all. Its there for a reason and everyone in australia gets a holiday for it so pull your finger out….
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:12 pm
ive just rang iemma’s office, he wont take calls on the matter!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
hahaha…..trust you!
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
I must say I agree with the majority of people here.
The problem here is that the politicians are a law unto themselves - a similar process to when they desire a payrise. The simply sit in parliament and one person says “I propose a 10% pay rise this year. All in favour say ‘I’”. That’s it. Done, dusted and FINISHED.
Who says it will stop at crushing cars?? If they can justify crushing someone’s $60k car quite happiliy and throwing it away, what is stopping them from taking peoples houses to in future? Where does it stop?? WHERE IS THE LINE??
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Perhaps we should take a look at Mr Iemma’s personal driving record and see if we can apply the three strike rule to him? :P
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
oh yeah i will fight this!!!
BM… maybe instead of burning bras out the front of parliment we could burn some tyres? lol……
it is ridiculous…. i even rang the local paper seeing if they would do a story on actual car enthuiasts! mayby then the public could see were not all hoons!
Im a troublemaker huh?? lol….
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
i would love to put his limo against my TS50 and see which one is more roadworthy!!
Iemma might be like bob carr and not have a licence!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
A Premier without a license passing road laws… what’s next, Minister for the Arts passing health laws? Minister for Defence in charge of finance?
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
its true… bob carr had no licence the whole time he was premier for NSW…. whay do you think roads are a mess and we lost all or our motorsport parks and events!!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Lookout Iemma……Tonyns comin for ya!!!!!!
Much more fun to burn tyres Tonyn,better to make smoke than get saggy boobs!hehehe
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November 12th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
lol true true!! id much rather watch tyre smoke!!!!
I should run for politics…. nah…. id get in trouble for modifing my fairlane, the driver wouldnt be able to get it over the speed humps when im finished with it!! hehehehehe…..
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November 12th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
hahahaha…funny boy …..they could do with some hummor as well. Perhaps you should run.
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November 12th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
would you vote for me? hehehehe…. what could i call my party?
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
The way to get hoons to show some respect is to show them none, by crushing their cars - not. If Yemma thinks this will work, he’s mistaken.
People who drag race in the streets are showing massive disrespect for everyone else - and this is generally how a criminal mind is defined. No respect for or observance of the law is a criminal.
Confiscation of the car for 12 months is the way to do it, not crush it. It could even be sold to pay for the cleanup if there are costs involved such as a smashed fence or a traffic light knocked over, but it can’t be destroyed.
A criminal mind which has been shown the Yemma way will seek revenge and retribution after his/her property is stolen in this way. Just potentially breeds a hardened crim from a misdemeanor.
I don’t like hooning - many’s the time a hoon on a trail bike with no exhaust has buzzed up and down my street, and I had to be restrained from poking a crowbar through his spokes….but, that wanker’s either killed himself or grown up. It doesn’t bother me much now, mainly because I’m no longer a sleep deprived parent of toddlers, which was the case back then :)
PS: I think they should only crush Fords………
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:19 pm
If, as Iemma says, these cars are unroadworthy, loud, etc, does this not point then to some fundamental flaw in the annual roadworthiness check?
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Cause I would vote for you.
A name…….mmmmm…….where not bogans party
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
sounds like a plan BM…. will get onto it ASAP!!!…. TONY07? lol
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
What they should be doing is cracking down on the names on the insurance papers of these so called “hoons cars” I wouldnt be surprised if over half are through MUMMY AND DADDY Finance and MUMMY AND DADDY car insurance.
theres gotta be someway young kids can get cars like that without getting bumped by the banks and huge premiums paid by insurance firms
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
What a waste of cars there. I supose those hoons need that.
P.S I think they should only crush Holdenwoos with idiots that call themselves “Reckless1″ :P NOW THAT WHOULD BE FUN TO WATCH!
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Vote Liberal at the next state election. NSW labour has almost rendered NSW unlivable. They are the biggest failure since federation. NSW Health, roads, schools, transport, justice, and most other vital portfolios are in tatters. This proposed legislation is just indicative of the decision making process of Iemma and co. Macquarie St is knee jerk central.
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
“hoon cars” are what exactly? i know when i was 19 i bought a brand new XR8 with mum and dad taking the insurance on it, and i worked hard to be able to afford that thing! to save $40k+ at 19 was an effort!! if mum and dad didnt help me insurance wise i would of never afforded that car….. so not all people that take out insurance in mum and dads name dont disrepect there car……
I have tryed for ages, and the only way i now get cheap insurance is a company took insurance in me and dads name then transferred the no claim to me! im 24 with 60% no claim….. other than that the TS50 and GT falcon i own would of costed me thousands!!!
i think at the end of the day its not modified cars they should target, it should be the un roadworthy cars they are doing it in that should be crushed!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
How many times caradvice becomes a political forum? God! That Reckless#1Tantrum is such a one sided idiot. Now I wait for a big “tantrum” from that one sided tosser….
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
CRUSH ALL POLLIES THAT TELL MORE THAN 3 LIES! THAT COULD WORK
TONYN07…….ILL GET A TEE SHIRT MADE FOR YOU!
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November 12th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
no worries!!!
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November 12th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
looks like there will be a shortage of ‘high powered’ hoon commodores in the near future.
Where are they going? well one may argue that they are going to where they should be going to me melted and be used for something more worthwhile rather then be used as hoon’s projectiles. This is a brilliant idea fully support it
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November 12th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Yeah, Holdenwoo crap! nothing wrong with Fords so it’s Holdenwoo’s fans that cry to see their shit been crushed. Now is that reckless1Tantrum going to have a Tantrum, or the right thing to do - run away and find out how stupid he is and cry.
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Any other W.A people on this site want to join our Christmas get together in DEC? No you don’t have to be a Ford fan ,no bagging models though! Anyone else thats from the EAST is more than welcome to come along ,no I am not paying for your fuel to get here…..hahaha
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX…ease up mate with the lingo hey and gee you sound young as (like 10yrs old)!
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Its funny you know… I know of 30+ cars (modified) that have been stolen in Sydney in BROAD DAYLIGHT, yet the police and the government do nothing. Or the police say they ‘can’t’ do anything. Yet, they can spend hours upon hours harassing genuine car enthusiasts for doing nothing more than driving and enjoying their cars.
Once the media gets onto it, its a knee jerk reaction. I voted for NSW Labor this year… I’m kicking myself now.
These laws are really playing on my mind… I wanna do something about it…this is not nazi Germany, we are supposed to be a democracy!!!!
Jessica.
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
I might take the Orion for a real test to WA and show you under my bra and under my bonnet too.
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:38 pm
^ If I worked for Ford that is
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Naughtyius Maximus, I don’t know how old he is, but at least he chased of that idiot (Football(NFL) head).
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:49 pm
Reckless#1Tantrum said…
“PS: I think they should only crush Fords………”
I told that one sided tosser off and Now that idiots friend “Naughtyius Maximus” came and said…
“Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX…ease up mate with the lingo hey and gee you sound young as (like 10yrs old)!”
…I’m sorry to say this but,”Naughtyius Maximus” is an idiot.
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November 12th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
I don’t respect anyone who does burnouts street drags etc or uses a vehicle in a unsafe manner.
They have issues that go deeper than the vehicle they own.
Impound the vehicles of street racers for say 3 weeks.
For habitual offenders driver education & maybe condemn them to drive something roadworthy but old & underpowered for a while.
Can’t help but notice the timing of all this during an election.A bad idea that has come from the USA which will cost a heap to administer.
Instead of the expense & agro of this exercise sponsor free driver education & raceway events.
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November 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
The thing is If a hoon [in NSW] knows his car will get crushed.. there’s no way he will risk his modified Nissan GT-R; Hyundai Excel; Impreza; Commodore or Falcon.. He’ll nick your BMW M3 or Porsche 911..
However; if the hoons want to make a point they could nick the premiers and the ministers government limos. This would prove how stupid the law [and Iemma] is.. it would be repealed as taxpayers won’t want to keep replacing $60;000 Statesmans each week
[not that I’m condoning such action it’s just a suggestion]
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November 12th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
I bet out of the cars going to be crushed, most of them would be R33 Skylines.
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November 12th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
I doubt that showing videos of someonelses car being destroyed is likely to deter a hoon from continuing their moronic ways.. afterall the reason hoons do what they do - street race/drag race is because they have a superiority complex “it won’t happen to me..”
They believe that they won’t get caught; and that their driving skills are as good as if not better than Skaifey or Lowndes so that should they lose control they will be able to get out of it.
The other thing is that in relation to modified cars NSW has the most restrictive regulations in terms of what you can and can’t do to a car when compared to VIC SA and WA.
Having said that as most Hoons are often 18-24yo men they often do things to their car in an ad-hoc way by simply tacking all sorts of things on to the car.. they work on their car whilst its still on the road.
Car enthusiasts do things more systematically which is why they often refer to their car as a project they take the car off the road and don’t drive it until its 100% complete; safe and certified by engineers.
Which is why a properly built street machine looks a lot better and is alot safer than your typical hoons car
And because a car enthusiast cares for his car more he is less likey to be involved in street races etc he would more rather just cruise around
Unfortunately it’s anotther case of the minority ruining it for the majority
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November 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Well said Wheelnut.
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November 12th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
It must be understood that this law targets ANYONE who happens to accelerate enthusiastically from a green light - this is not restricted to some young-un cruising around in their done up\riced up Gemini \ Torana \ Commondore \ Falcon \ Rex \ Lancer etc - it could happen to YOU and it is WRONG.
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November 12th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
Too many poeple die on our roads, as far as i’m concerned if your not breaking the law you’ve got nothing to worry about!
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November 12th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Trust Labor to violate private property rights like this .. Bloody Socialists! 8-D
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November 12th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I’m not one of those worried about this “law” coming into play as I do tend to keep that sort of driving for the track or Live For Speed.
But at the same time I still feel as though they are going about solving the issues of bad driving the wrong way. More so to me, this is almost a bully tactic.
I wonder who foots the bill for crushing all these car? I think it would be a lot more productive and financially beneficial to take possession of the cars and sell them at auction.
As far as bad drivers go? Well, there’s always going to be ones that ruin it for everybody. Maybe if the license tests actually tested your driving ability, we might start seeing better quality drivers on the road that;
A. Know how to drive
B. Respect other peoples lives
C. Stop being patronised with stupid childish finger gestures using extravagant ad campaigns.
D. Stop coming up with band-aid solutions by taking disgruntled drivers cars away from them and crushing them.
If they go ahead with this idea, what stops me from putting a large bollard that pops up from the ground in my street every time someone flies past at 90 km/h down my suburban 50 km/h street because the traffic lights down the road turned red?
What stops me from going out there and taking a picture of the car as it zooms past?
What stops me from throwing a hammer at the window or shooting the tyres?
All these things sound ridiculous. Don’t they? So how can the government bring in such a law? I know, I know…. they are ridiculous, so the law is rather fitting.
Though I wonder how Iemma will deal with it if he’s caught maybe getting down the M5 a few kays above the limit because his flight we delayed and he had to be in Canberra fast? Would they take his car and crush it?
What if a guy in a panic had a pregnant wife about to give birth? I dare say if my wife and I were in that situation, I would be travelling above the lpeed limit (10-20 km/h over). Which is what Sydney traffic does daily. Not to mention between the hours of 8:00am and 9:30am to 2:30pm to 4:00pm in school zones.
Hey Iemma! Take down the flashy signs you promised most NSW schools (yeah, the ones you actually put up like you said you would…. not the ones schools put up on their own) and fix the condition of our roads…. or better still, make driver EDUCATION compulsory. I’m sure he drove around like he was head car at a funeral when he get his drivers license.
*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*
Steve
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November 13th, 2007 at 12:01 am
why not just confiscate the modifications. and detune it back to factory spec. plus a fine to pay for the work.
or maybe sell the car off and buy them a prius. hehe
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November 13th, 2007 at 12:05 am
Its excessive but not completely unreasonable.
I think off-street racing/drag racing promotion is still the best way to do it.
But there are complete tools and just heroes out there who literally think they are Schumacher driving 40~50+ kmph pass the limit, its also worth noting that usually with passengers, and most likely as most of you guys have seen on the news, horrific crashes.
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November 13th, 2007 at 6:49 am
i dobnt think the ruling is un reasonable…. but there is a certain amount of people accused of street racing or burnouts that dont do it….. what happens then?
Guys you have to admit the police in all states do give modified and performance cars a hard time, and sometimes they do get it wron… its too late if they crush your car!
Hava a look at that article barvarian missile put up here…. there is a perfect example of the police getting it wrong…. what bost is that BM…
Yes driver education should be compulsory…. but they shoudnt be crushing cars…..
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November 13th, 2007 at 6:50 am
sorry i ment to say where is that post BM?? i cant type today!
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:12 am
Hey Tonyn……Ill have to try finding it.
Took me an hour to write it,I remember that!
Maybe I could contact Roy the editor’s of Street Fords to see if he has a saved copy of it,our car is meant to be on the Front cover SOON,maybe even the Cobra too…..stay tuned.
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:23 am
Yeah i t was a long post but worthy of this topic!!
Does street fords have a new editor? there old editor brushed my Xa but street machine have just done a shoot on it for there ford magazine! go figure!
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:40 am
Not sure if hes new?
I know mags are funny like that,when we first had ours in street machine 10 years ago our local mag Perth street car didn’t want to know about it cause they wanted an exclusive!
Ill contact Roy cause I have given up trying to find it!
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:42 am
good stuff….. i finally get my GT back in 10 days!!!
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November 13th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
I fully support community supplied legal street racing venues. This is the way to go and all levels of Govt. has been sadly lacking in this area.
BUT…once again this site has shown what a bunch of red neck, uninformed tossers it contains.
This legislation will be based upon the successful ‘Hoon’ legislation that already exists in other States such as Qld. Under this legislation you get thee (3) opportunities to modify your behaviour before having your car confiscated. It is seized for a month on the first occasion, 3 months for a second offence, and then finally ‘possibly’ seized permanently for a third “RELEVANT OFFENCE’ A relevant offence doesn’t mean simply speeding or modifying your car illegally, it will have to be an offence of such seriousness that it involves Dangerous Driving, Street Racing, or similar public endangering behaviour.
FINALLY, THE COPS DON’T DECIDE YOUR CAR GETS CRUSHED, THAT WILL BE THE COURTS DECISION. Unless you’ve lived under a rock all your life, police enforce legislation, written by politicians who majority of YOU…YES YOU…voted for. The police don’t write the stuff, just enforce it!!! Everyone is presumed innocent of the offence until a Court decides you are guilty. REPEAT NOT THE COPS.
So the sooner people pull their heads out of their backsides and take responsibility for their own stupid behaviour the better.
And until you’ve lost a child or loved one to the actions of someone who was just having a bit of harmless fun, then I can’t see that your opinions are worth diddly squat!
Caradvice, include all the facts and don’t just post articles which encourage simple minded cop bashing! It shows you have no better journalism skills than our daily rags. Your site has been better than that.
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November 13th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Unfortunately Stevo, you’re failing to recognise that it is generally the cop’s “discretion” that ends up in an individual being placed in front of the court to begin with, and in instances where the cop may have it in for a particular individual or set of individuals, the favour is certianly stacked one way.
It’s not just car nuts who can have the red neck.
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November 13th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
stevo,
Car advice has put up what the NSW government has released….
I have lost an family member due to reckless driving and still feel this is a stupid law…. there is an article that barvarian put up here is a clear example of a police officer getting it wrong… if this rule was in place it would set him up for possible crushing of his car.
I have read all posts on here and in no way does anyone support wreckless driving of any kind…. all i have been saying is that what idf a police officer gets it wrong and sets someone that is INNOCENT of street racing up for his car to be crushed.
I have respect for the police, most are motoring enthuiasts like us all, but there are some who like to reign down on everyone with power…. and sadly enough that can lead to INNOCENT peoples pride and joy to be crushed. Wether they not be responsable for the final decision or not, it is them who sets the ball rolling.
Its not cop bashing you halfwit…. i think everyone is afraid that if you own even a mildly modified car you will be targeted…. And your red neck comment was not warranted… anyone that has travelled from sydney to the summernats know that the cops make asses of them selfs to make car enthuisats look like hoons when it isnt the case! now imagine how many inncoent people get doen that weekend, i admit, there is a small number that need to be punished…. but there is a majority of us that look after and take care of our modified cars… and shamfully my opinion is these laws will get exploited!
cops deserve a lot of respect, they do a great job, but sometimes they do get it wrong
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November 13th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
So I take it your a COP or a Polly!
I know the cops don’t decide if your car gets crushed but they do decide if your doing any thing wrong even if you weren’t.This is part of the 3 strikes and your out legislation that will be then determined by a court IF YOUR CAR IS CRUSHED. What you think the police never do the wrong thing,they treat everyone the same on the road. Pffft ,I have been around for a while now and have seen plenty of cops pull over cars and book them for NO reason except they drive a modified car. My son is a bit of a ricer head and was in a car run one night not doing anything wrong and the police pulled him over to drug search his car…….no they found nothing pulled everything out of his car ,no apology just left everything on the pavement. At the resent GT NATIONALS in WA all the cars where being scrutinized and the Police showed up to see what was happening,make sure we were all behaving ourselves. Millions of dollars of early GT Falcons some like ourselves that had spent weeks detailing them don’t turn around and miss treat them on a public road. Why don’t you guys try catching some real criminals .
So yeah maybe some people should pull their heads out of the rears …..but the sure are a few cops that could do the same and stop tarring all car enthusiasts with the same brush.
Most of the time cops will yellow sticker you for a modification thats legal,you have to take the time off work put it over the pits for the guys at the pits to tell you ,cops have no idea what is legal and whats not .So not only are they waisting our time by doing this but also the guys at the pits that are always flat out!
Mate I guess your allowed to have your opinion but I doubt you will get much support from most on any car enthusiasts sites. Unless they drive a Prius!
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November 13th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
damn…….I was so busy answering this idiot that I missed your last email.
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November 13th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
Forewarded to me by Roy…….thanks again ,
“You may remember from last issue I mentioned my brother’s blown ’67 Mustang. I was out recently driving the Mustang on a Saturday night, and you wouldn’t believe what happened.
I had actually just finished doing a wedding with it for a mate. On the way home, I thought I’d pull into the local service station to top up the juice and grab a bite to eat.
So, here I am in this bright red, blown, sweet-sounding Mustang that runs 11.0sec on the quarter and it’s got wedding ribbons on it. I pull in, get the juice into the fuel cell, check the engine fluids. All is good.
I go into the shop to grab a bite and head for the counter, where I’m greeted by a young bloke who is so excited that I chose his service station to fill up at. We have a little chat about the car, which is cool as I love talking cars to just about anyone.
Back in the ’Stang, I fire her up and head out the driveway. I give the blown Windsor a little throttle – nothing major, and definitely not over the speed limit of 70km/h.
I’m cruising down the main road, windows down, 347 Windsor singing along and enjoying the great night weather, and then it hit me. I remember that I need to get some doughnuts for my wife.
So, I pull into the Krispy Kreme establishment. There are a lot of young guys in all sorts of cars hanging out, so there was no parking. Off I go into the drive-thru! I kill the engine and start to order.
The next thing that happened blew me away. I hear the sound of a police car siren, and I look in the mirror to see an unmarked XR8 Falcon behind me. I think to myself, ‘What does this guy want? A better look at the car? Does he want me to get out of the way so he can get his doughnuts first? Who knows?’.
He strolls up to my driver’s side window and says that he is impounding the car for doing – get this – a burnout! I say, “What! You must be kidding right?”.
“You did a burnout when you left the service station back there,” he says.
As you can imagine, I was in total shock. I start up the car and proceed through the drive-thru – sans donuts of course. I park the car, get out and say to the officer “Where’s this burnout I did?”.
He replied, “You did a burnout and we are taking your car”.
WTF? Apparently, when I left the service station, I did a miraculous burnout with no tyre squeal or smoke. Hell, I didn’t even have any rubber on the quarter panels! The unmarked XR8 was in the car park of the adjoining fast-food outlet and supposedly witnessed this alleged burnout.
The officer proceeds to write me up a ticket for a burnout to the tune of $461 and three points, not to mention the car confiscation paperwork. While he was filling in this scrap paper, I questioned him as to why he would wait about five minutes and travel 1.8km (I measured it) before pulling me over in the drive-thru. If I had done such an act, he could have just raced out and pulled me over on the main road.
He looked at me and smiled. I concluded that he let me go into the complex so he could make an example in front of the youngsters in the car park.
Now get this, while he was writing up the ticket, a Nissan 200SX creeps past us in the car park and goes over a speed hump scraping its belly all over it. I turned to the officer and said, “Hey, make sure you wait 10 minutes before pursuing that car too”.
I tried to explain to him that he must have been confused by the sound of the blower whine and loud exhaust, so when I accelerated a little, it may have sounded like a burnout but wasn’t. He brushed that reasoning off.
Before I knew it, a tilt tray turns up and I had to load the car up. We went to the station where they photographed the car as well.
Handing over the keys to my brother’s car was the most strange and uneasy feeling I can tell you that’s for sure. Explaining the whole thing to my brother and wife – well that’s another story altogether!
The car was to be impounded for three months as per the law, but I wrote a letter to the local commander. After reviewing the circumstances, he released the car after two weeks along with the tow truck and storage fee of $562.
I took the matter to court, as I truly believed I did nothing wrong, and I wanted to make an example of this police officer.
Finally D-day arrived and I shuffled into court with my witness-the service station attendant from that night. The beek heard the evidence from the police, or should I say lack of…Their stories didn’t gel too well either.
He heard my evidence and I was quizzed by the prosecutor with regard to traction and all things scientific. Now, remember I have an Applied Science degree here up my sleeve, so I fired back answers he couldn’t fathom and had him scratching his head on more than one occasion!
I told you that science degree would come in handy one day. The beek had no choice but to dismiss the matter entirely! Roy 1 Police 0 ”
Fords Truly,
Roy Velardi – Editor
Street Fords
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November 13th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
…and of course ‘Stevo’ is no where to be seen. Just like the cop who failed to turn up to court in my hashed up ‘negligant driving’ case that was throw out by the Judge.
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November 13th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
lets get all the so called hoons and rally up down past his office the just park along his street all day all night
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
i think car enthuiasts should stage a rally!
I have been trying to get in contact with iemma’s office today, he wont take calls, and i have left a message with the editor of the sydney morning herald, mayby they might like to do an article about real car enthuiasts… maybe that might get the HOON tag to go away!!
Yeah i think stevo is a cop, and there not all bad, but some let the power get to there head!
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Cool blockies……havent done that for years!
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
Blockies? is that the WA term barvarian? hehehehe……
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Nope Tassie…………
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Ah, Bavarian, you see the system worked for you in the end, on this occasion. Perhaps all the hastle you went through is Karma for all the other burnouts you’ve done in your life, yes on public roads that I helped pay for!
Oh, but of course, the cops only ever get it wrong the one time you didn’t do anything wrong. What about all the times you get away with it. What a joke. Who are you kidding but yourself. You sound like the biggest sore loser.
We all do things wrong and 99.9% of the time we get away with it, but hell, the .1% of the time we get caught, it’s the cops who got it wrong, or I never do anyting illegal.
The point of my comment was that you get 3 chances. Yes 3. If you haven’t worked it out by the 3rd occasion then I don’t have any sympathy if your car gets crushed.
You can have a very hot car without it attracting all the wrong attention from the cops. Get smarter, by all means do the occasional burnout, have a bit or a run at the lights, but don’t keep whinning about it when you occasionally have to pay the price.
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
were not talking about doing a burnout stevo, do you think all hot car people do burnouts! wake up to your self!!! i have a modified car and have never…. honestly NEVER pulled a burnout in it!
What we are saying is what about when a cop does get it wrong, or in the case accuses someone of something never done…. which i hate to ay it the police to pick on modified performance car owners… not all the time, but sometimes they do…. pure and simple!
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Waiting…..
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
waiting for what?
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
That is what Courts are for! Yes the cops may get it wrong occasionally. But fair dinkum, you generally attract the wrong attention by 1. your attitude, 2. previous history, 3. local knowledge.
You’d have to be unbelievably unlucky to be wrongly accused of doing the wrong thing on 3 different occasions, have the chance to put your case before a Magistrate and then still get your car crushed.
In all the years the Hoon legislation has been in place in Qld, I am not aware of one car having been permanently confiscated. Correct me if you can but even if I was wrong the number would be in single digits.
Knee jerk reactions…
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
there not talking three strikes with this rule but….
i agree attitude is everything… but in cases like the thursday before summernats where they block off the highway… pull every modded car in and start defecting and confiscating when your car when you have done nothing wrong…. is that a problem with our attitude??
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
No I agree with your point of generalised policing on every car being checked out etc.
I have owned hot cars over the years too, but I have barely ever been pulled over. That’s because when I do have a bit of fun I try as much as possible not to infringe on other peoples rights and condersations.
I can tell you most cops don’t enjoy standing on the side of the road pulling up every hot car and going through them at these venues. But when you are employed in a job you love, sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. You try and be fair to all concerned but when you cop a mouth full of abuse the moment you come up to the window, it’s not hard to work out who’s going to cop a ticket or three.
I have let off so many people who have the right attitude I can’t count them.
It is the vocal locals who cause police to over react to situations like Bathurst etc. or where someone got bashed by drunken yobbos that cause twice as many police to be there next year. Yes the minority make it worse for the majority but you can’t blame the police for reacting when public demand they do something!
I don’t try to generalise when I go to work, so please don’t generalise about my profession when I come home to read this site.
Got to run, will back later tonight to answer further comments.
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
i sort of agree with you but again you have generalised the modified car fraternaty as well.
I admit, i have never had trouble with the cars that i have owned, but again, i have been polite and obeyed the rules as best as i can.
I think anyone that does do burnouts or street races should be punished, there endangering not only there own lives but others.
But what about the “blitz” weekend where modified car owners do get generalised, how many polite car enthuiasts get done , how many of there cars will get done. Sorry no matter how you put it im sure there will be innocent people lose out.
What i cant understand, is you say police react to public demand, but its the minority that cry out for it.
While were talking of generalising, i think iemma has dont that by lumping all modified and performance car owners together as “hoons”……
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November 13th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Stevo, there’s rights and wrongs to both sides of this arguement, and most points made are valid, but c’mon mate, you’d have to admit you’ve got colleagues who like nothing more than to give someone a ticket and a bit of attitude just because they can… it’s intimidation tactics and there are those who do it - tell me I’m wrong?
I know there are good and bad in any group, car enthusiasts, cops, etc, and true it is the minority that make it bad for everyone else, but besides taking it all the way to court, what other come back does the average Joe have against a copper who will always have the law on their side, who generally wins the “it’s your story against mine” issue, and who usually thinks that because they wear a blue uniform that they’re right.
Again, it’s stereotyping and I’m not havin’ a go at all those of you brave enough to look after the rest of us, but don’t sit there and defend the pricks who make life miserable for those of us who enjoy our cars.
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November 13th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
Hello every one! Hopefully Holden fans won’t use me for the first person to target because my name was an old FORD slogan. Now i’ve changed it back to Me.
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November 13th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
The biggest sore looser……how?
I am simply stating how the Police target modified cars …
Mate I have been driving for over 20 years and yes when I was younger and silly I got picked on and I guess because sometimes I was an idiot. But other times when I was equally as stupid in something the Police wont look at like BMWs and Porsche’s no hassle ,only time I got pulled up in anything EURO was when I took the front number plate off my new 3 series cause it looked cooler,I was 20! Then I got away with driving around without one for 12 months! Roys story was also about targeting modified cars to prove a point …..that back fired for them. Never lost my license in 20 years and only time I have ever been done for speeding I got let off cause I was in a BMW with a low top on! These days when we drive our extremely modified XAGT Coupe….we get pulled over purely to take a look at it! So mate your assumption on KARMA is wrong!
Who cares about the times you don’t get caught,is that a reason to get targeted and booked for all the times you never got caught!Give me a break!
If I get booked for doing something wrong then fair cop, excuse the wording but I shouldn’t or my kids get targeted cause they may have before or simply because they drive a modified car get picked on!
Your not a regular to this site……so what made you come on and post today! So what type of modified cars have you had…..I guess well would be interested in that!
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November 13th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
It’s a Shame I haven’t even had a speeding ticket?….yet!
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November 13th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
My old name is going good so far…
I herd storys when people drove their classic sports cars down the street, the police would come and follow them untill the cows came home hopping to see them break the speed limit.
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November 13th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
I think you should stick with ME as a name its easier to reply too…hehehe
No speeding tickets yet? Even with speed cameras ?
I have nothing against the police ,I wouldn’t be one for quids the crap they put up with,but targeting modified cars purely to prove a point is wrong.
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November 13th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Hi ME,
I can relate to that one mate, being followed. Not to list places, times, etc. But it was well over 40km distance and I can assure STEVO that I had not done a thing wrong. I was eventually pulled over for a “Random” Licence Check (what the hell is that anyway), and let go of course having not done a thing wrong.
But my point stands, it’s intimidation - as I think CASEY mentioned, and it’s unfair. All I had done wrong was to look young (lucky me) and drive a classic 70’s muscle car (lucky me again).
Cheers Matt
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November 13th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
So true Matt……guess thats why we don’t get pulled over and and booked any more cause where old! Imagine if Roy hadn’t of fought his conviction it was left to some poor 22 year old to stand up in court and explain the evidence………you think he would have had the same result as the smarter more articulate over 30 year old had ?
I doubt it!
I would like to see the proof that this helps in the road toll!
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November 13th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
BM bet you’re happy i’ve got a shorter name back!! LOL
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November 13th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
hahaha…..yep along with others too !
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Anti spam word was BMW ……couldn’t resist!
So remind me again ….where is the XA at the moment,Tonyn?
What issue of Street Machine is that coming out in?
So wheres NM/Klink?
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
God, NM’s name is too long,LOL! It was better when he had KFC. 20 to 1 just had a quick moment of Craig Lowndes’ Bathurst win last year, pretty crap.
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:34 pm
Iaaaaaaaam baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack….Ha Ha Ha Ha
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:37 pm
Where you been? Not still debit collecting? Hate to be a builder at least in our business its no cash no car. hahaha
Even in the workshop it was the same!
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
weeelllcccooommmeee baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack….Ha Ha Ha Ha
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November 13th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Anti spam word was BMWM3 spooky!
NM nothing to say to Stevo….I was so looking forward to some of your eloquent language!
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November 13th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
Right you are the squire Missile, seems like trusting sidekick TOYOTA PAUL is not around.
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November 13th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Missile. Speaking of tools in workshop, are there any tools on here as seems sedate as
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November 13th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Yep your not wrong, don’t tell me your now missing Paul?
Seems that Stevo on this blog was it for the day!
AndrewM I think is on stress leave still…..hehehehe.
Tonyn and I have been chatting on and off line a lot of the day!
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November 13th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
lol…. yeah we chatted on and off today!!
I have lent my GT to a ford dealer… trusting huh! they have it in a FPV Display!
It is supposed to be in a upcomming street machine fords magazine, no set date yet!
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November 13th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
Your still up?
Very trusting……
How many pics did they take of it?
Time to rumble again at Simmons Plains this weekend…
I am off for the night, talk tomorrow!
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November 13th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
So BM, you only want people to comment that can afford to get on the computer every five minutes to have a whine and be regulars. Very boring! Sorry, I have a life to lead, but yes, I do enjoy picking up on some of the comments on this blog, but no, I don’t take it so seriously, as you and others do. I realise we all have a point of view and on this occasion I could offer a point of view from another perspective.
Yes, traffic branch cops give me the shits too. My mod cars, although not grand include, RS 2000, XW GT, XD 351 ESP 4sp, Cordia Turbo (don’t know what I was thinking there!) and now, I’m in family mode (yes wish I had bought the hard top XA too, but didn’t…spent it on the kids going to school).
Point is, you get d…heads in every profession, cops included. But generally they are only doing a job. You whinge about the laws they enforce, but hey, they don’t write ‘em. You haven’t addressed the point that it is the politicians that draft the laws and pass them, having consideration to all the local members who YOU vote for, voting on the legislation. If you don’t like the laws, tell your local members, change them, and then they won’t hassle me to having to enforce them.
I love a mod car as much as anyone, but like I say, if you want to be a tool, do the wrong thing, get caught on the 99th time you done it, don’t whinge. Simple. Don’t do the wrong thing, enjoy your car hobby and leave the fun for the track, the most that will happen is having to pull over occasionally for a sus. and then get the nod to drive off. If you hang out with tools, you’ll get treated like one…and don’t tell me at the street car meets everyone behaves themselves. You don’t see too many cop hassles at organised car swaps and meets, only the tool squeezer ones at McDonalds.
But hey, I’ve never written up an XA hardtop. My favourite. You’d be right in my neck of the woods.
I and most other cops love writing up Porsches and BMWs. They can afford it but put on the biggest blue. Problem is most car enthusiast run into only TRAFFIC COPS. Perhaps I won’t have such a problem with this blog if you confine your comments to Traffic Cops!!! Not popular with anyone, but someone has to do it to prevent anarchy on the streets.
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November 13th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Hey Mat, some random licence checks actually come up with a car load of stolen property, taken from your house whilst you were out with your mates in the mod car. Also find a surprising number of amphet labs in boots. Bread and butter for cops. People don’t just come up to us with their illegal booty, we do have to go lookin, and unfortunately the price to pay is most people have nothing to hid and DO have a licence. Inconvenient but a small price to pay. But perhaps we should just drive around waiting for the REAL CRIMINALS to put their hands up! Don’t hold your breath.
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November 13th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Leave comments, be back in the morning.
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November 14th, 2007 at 7:32 am
yeah still up, they took about 30 to 40 photos? yeah i trust the guys where it is, its my mate who owns the BMW dealer too so were good mates!
GO DJR at simmons plains… i will be at work tryint to sell and watch the fords!!!
Stevo while i understand what your saying i think this blog is directed at highway patrol/ traffic cops so i wouldnt get so beaten up about it…. you did admit just then but police do target some types of cars….
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November 14th, 2007 at 7:32 am
Heh, I must look like a crack head then, seem to get random license checks even when I’m in a base model Fiesta. I can see your point, perhaps we need to look at things from the other side of the fence too, but I just wish some cops would take that attitude too. Have a good one.
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November 14th, 2007 at 7:39 am
Agreed. Unfortunately I have to sit next to some of the tools you talk of for an 8 hour shift, but generally am senior man and therefore concentrate on the blondes, not the cars. Gotta get some enjoyment.
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November 14th, 2007 at 7:55 am
good one stevo, there has to be some enjoyment to your job hey!
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November 14th, 2007 at 8:06 am
Ahhhh he’s human after all :) Joking Stevo. Enjoy your day mate.
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November 14th, 2007 at 9:42 am
suprising, i never get pulled over in my GT (touchwood) other than to let the law enforcment people have a closer look… as enthuiasts!
I hope he is human… i guess you could be robocop… hehehe
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November 14th, 2007 at 7:20 pm
Oh look Stevo came back…….
Of course I want you to have more comments on the site! I guess as the Director of a Company I can afford to spend more time posting on this great site……cause Im not spending time watching Blondes!!!hahahah
I thought I had made the point though that Cops dont know what there looking at ,so amending laws wont fix anything if they still keep booking you for wrong mods. My hubby reminded my last night about the time we were driving the XAGT Coupe with a 671 hanging out of the bonnet when a policeman pulled us over for a look…….”is it a V8 ” he says! ………….RIGHT !
As you say Stevo there are bad eggs in every profession..I just don’t want them targeting me !
Your forgiven if you have owned an XW GT and the ESP…last of the Clevelands! Was your XW a Winsor or a Cleveland?
69 or 70 model I guess Im asking!?
Guess Im hoping your not from W.A ……..cause I don’t want you targeting the M3 hehehehe
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November 15th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Sorry for the late reply if you’ve checked back in.
Windsor in the XW but loved the Cleveland in the XD (not XE).
And Queenslander until my blood changes colour, not likely any time soon. Safe in WA, but as said, XAs my favourite, you’d be right!
Shall continue to keep you on the straight and narrow though!
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November 15th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
going a bit off topic…. see ford has announced they are reviewing the FPV Territory… trying to make it look more agressive…. thank god!!
That was a poor attempt by FPV! reminded me of tickford days!
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November 15th, 2007 at 2:11 pm
Ah so a 69 XWGT……..bet you wished you still owned that like the rest of us that have since sold a lot of Aussie muscle cars.
Yet another QLD on the site…geez!
hahaha…….I guess I will be checking in my mirror here then in case you have any colleges on the lookout for me then !
I am with you Tonyn……it was a pathetic attempt by FPV.
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November 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 am
It is no good saying if you don’t race you won’t need to worry. my 17 year old P plater son was driving his old 1.3 litre stock standard Suzuki Swift out of the Pizza Hut car park where he had a job delivering. it was wet, the first time for weeks, as he left his tyres squealed for a few seconds (he said it was the wet caught him by surprise). There is no suggestion he was racing or speeding but he was booked for doing a burn out and his car confiscated. The cops were in a car in the car park. If it happens again his car is confiscated and sold! Is this fair?
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November 22nd, 2007 at 7:18 am
not at all bruce, that is what i think everyone is talking about, the police do go too far sometimes!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 11:44 pm
What the hell…
That is going too far. I’m sure that many officers would be shocked to see nice cars similar to what their kids may even have crushed to scrap with thousands of cash and hours spent on it.
Fair enough don’t be irresponsible, but why not give the driver a chance to realise what they are doing before traumatising them. I’m sure many people at a young age have done stupid things that aren’t safe and it’s a phase that runs cold for most. How about confiscation of the vehicle for 3 months and in order to retrieve the vehicle, they have to pass a “Responsible Driving” course where they see graphical videos and images of what happens when it’s all fun and games until someone gets hurt…take all the fun out of driving like a hoon and show the logic of it, perhaps a 3-day course? Also go over the vehicles for any illegal mods too. If the driver continued to be a hoon, then why not confiscate the vehicle and sell it at an auction? That way the police force would have more income and the car should end up in the hands of a responsible driver (ensuring their record is clean).
Another arising problem could be that if someone crushed the wrong person’s / group’s car, there could be some crazy gangs/mafias, etc that could retaliate…despite the consequence of prison. Not saying it will happen but it’s possible as anything is.
It should be properly thought through. This took me 10 minutes to think of a solution which leads to a safer and friendlier outcome. If Morris Iemma stopped taking his power-trip pills and used his brain, a much better solution could be arranged.
Not only that, most accidents aren’t caused by modified or illegal vehicles but by unmodified vehicles with a bad driver or unroadworthy. Usually high, tired, peer pressured, unaware or drunk. Every driver should learn that whenever crossing the road/lane changing or merging that they should not only check if there is a gap…but the SPEED they are going as well. That’s what catches most out in accidents. There are idiots on the roads that go in excess of speed and a lot of drivers assume that they are doing 50, 60 or whatever, when really they could be going 3 times that (hoon or real emergency). This would help in high speed crashes, even though in excess of such speed is totally irresponsible, it does still happen and when it does, it’s very grim. It’s all a part of driver awareness and hazard perception.
Proper training in a legally modified vehicle would ensure safer roads…I’m sure many would pay to have a professional help them control their modified car instead of being overconfident and really not knowing the limits of what can happen on a public road such as oily surfaces, wet, muddy, etc. Mastering your vehicles in any condition (even pedestrians crossing the road and braking hard) would increase reflex reactions and minimise the chances of casualties or fatalities of the driver, passengers or pedestrians.
Thanks for your time.
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December 15th, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Why dont we just cut off the hands of people who talk on there mobile phones while d