2007 Holden Commodore VE Ute Spied - Again
10 Jul, 2007
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Literally days after our exclusive spy pictures of Holden’s new Commodore Ute, more photos have appeared of the exact same vehicle pictured in our initial post. In fact, not only is it the same vehicle, it’s parked in the exact same location - if not the exact same parking space.
It would be rude of us to suggest that Holden is deliberately leaving these vehicles hanging around in highly populated shopping centres to take the limelight away from Ford’s new Orion Utility - which has been posing for a select few of our spy photographers.
Photos courtesy of ‘gameover’ from LS1 forums.
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July 10th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
No one is in it so ,do we have interior shots already?
I guess so ,or you would have provided!
Hardly covered is it?
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July 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Did they leave the camera set by the ute and a neon sign? They really aren’t even trying are they.
BM, I think the interior will most likely just be that of the standard VE Commodore.
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July 10th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
I’m still standing by what I think is right…
and that is not right, it’s downright ugly.
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July 10th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
Its either one lazy ass employee who prefers to come to a park and relax as oppose to test the car, or Holden are sick of Ford getting all the press. Its working for them either way!
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July 10th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Of course it has the standard VE interior ,what the eff was I thinking ? Nothing new there!
Do you know that in developing the Audi A6 ,Audi filed 9,621 patents. WOW!!!!
Any one know how many holden filed for the Billion dollar VE ?????????????? Lol
Hard to file every one elses designs HAHAHAHA
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July 10th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Come on some one must know!
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July 11th, 2007 at 12:12 am
Lol, you read the Audi advertisement too!
I cannot answer your Holden question, but I am pretty sure Holden infringed on approximately 9,621 patents. LOL, that is gold!
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July 11th, 2007 at 7:31 am
Easy enough to tell if this is a chance encounter or planned.
Next time the photographer spots the car, unclip the front and rear covers and see if anyone comes running….
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July 11th, 2007 at 7:56 am
thats a great idea Lee, but that would be be breaking a few laws ;)
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July 11th, 2007 at 11:55 am
WANT A ORDER FOR ONE GM/H?
B E N C H-S E A T PLEASE!
O/A
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July 11th, 2007 at 12:38 pm
Why is the front covered????
It’s a VE isn’t it?
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July 11th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Nah i dont think it is Blue blood i think its the new Ford Orion LOL….
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July 11th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
I don’t think so, Ford know better then to steal about 3 other car companie’s ideas and still make it look bad.
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July 11th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
and besides ford has sold their frond end design to holden, so holden would prob sue ford if they continued with their BA/ BF design
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July 11th, 2007 at 6:19 pm
Zzzzz…If Holden Seriously think the VE Ute is going to steal any of the Limelight way from the Orion…they’re clutching at straws.
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July 12th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
azza go piss off back to the ford forum dick
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July 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
bob piss off to the ford forum ill kick your ass
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July 14th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
stay out of the ford forum then dickhead
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July 14th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
i do what i want
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July 14th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
What haven’t got any good arguments for me holdenrules?
You sound like a typical Holden supporter! You have nothing to back up any accusations you make.
Holden are slacking off and the best excuse you can come up with is “piss off back to the Ford forums…”
It really wouldn’t surprise me if you were one of those typical Holden Ute drivers that look like they have just come out of biker movie.
Next time! Put up a decent argument!
Tosser
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
All u guys paying out the Holden Ute are proably Ford guys. I think that the new ute looks a treat. I also think that since the early 90s that Falcons have always had the same body lines as the Commodore. Ford should design their own body lines!!!
(The new Falcon is so ugly, I saw a computer generated version in Wheels, the lights are so stupid, what were they thinking so UGLY looks exact same as BF minus lights)
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July 14th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
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Ford should design their own body lines?
They do, unlike Holden.
And yes your probably right, the ones bagging out the VE Ute are Ford guys. I know I am, and I’m proud of it.
And I’m especially proud that Ford haven’t and hopefully never will produce a Ute that looks like that!
If you read the other posts you will notice that I said the VZ Utes are actually really nice.
But you’d be to stupid to do that.
And the Wheels magazine Concept doesn’t look that good on the new Falcon. I agree. But clearly you haven’t looked at the Generations on this site that have recently been posted.
The Orion Falcon will smash the VE Commodore in all aspects.
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July 15th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Those computer generated images on this site are just ugly. Over-the-top would be the under statement of the century. The body lines are exactly the same as the VE, the rear end looks like a HSV GTS and the wheels on the FPV Typhoon are extremely similar to the ones on the HSV Clubbie and GTS.
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July 15th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
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Well dip shit, in case you haven’t realised they are the same wheels that came out specifically for the FPV F6 series in 2005! So there is another relevance to Holden copying Ford.
Maybe you should just give up.
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July 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Actually, Azza (DIP SHIT), those wheels are also very similar to the wheels on the 2003 HSV Clubsport!!!
So maybe you should shut up and give up!!!>:|
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July 16th, 2007 at 5:05 pm
you guys are stupid, i dont even know why you are crying about this new ute, holden just didnt release it so they could drag out the new release. the VE utwe will look almost the same and the sedan, they just gheld back the release of the ute so that they can buy some time so that they can copy something from the new ford.
new holden ute will be shit, flares have grown on me, but in a ute especially with the holdens massive flares will just look stupid.
and that holden rules nob head, well i think i speak for the rest of us, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! you have got nothing to support yourself with, you should seriously just crawl back into your little hole and suck you nob.
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July 16th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
the new holden ute looks exactly the same as the VY but with flares and i bet the headlights will be just like the ford BA/BF headlights, just like the VE sedan.
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July 16th, 2007 at 11:00 pm
that has got to be the biggest piece of shit i have ever seen. u holden fans cant argue with em on that
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July 17th, 2007 at 11:47 am
listen boys. pretty sure the new ford has copied the billion dollar ve commodore! (similar front end). fords ARE shit. holdens last alot longer, they go better & they look better.
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July 17th, 2007 at 11:54 am
Fact:
FORDS ARE CRAP BOYS.
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July 17th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
any day i would like to see a new FPV beat a VE GTS..it would be good to see the FPV blow up at 5,000 RPM
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July 17th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
P.S i am a holden fan. but i have to say holden lost the good looks on the VE OMEGA.
100% HOLDEN FAN
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July 17th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
I’m with Nick and aussie. All u Found On Rubbish Dumps (F.O.R.D.) gaylords say that the VE Commodore copied the BA/BF headlights. This isn’t true. Ford copied those headlights off the VY Commodore. So it is just a case of Ford copying Holden and Ford trying to make Holden look bad by saying Holden copied them.
So all u F.O.R.D. gaylords should just go home and tell Ford to design their own SHIT!!!
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July 17th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
you holden fans out there might want to be quiet now before you embarass yourselves
NOTE: the VY commy and BA falcon came out in the same month of 2002!! so really neither could have copied
but now the VE lights look nothing like the VY lights and nor did the BA lights.
yes all lights look the same in terms that they have a lense cover.
take a look at the reflectors in the BA lights….nothing like the VY commy …..but now have a look at the VE reflectors……..thats 1 main part where they look like a BA.
oh yeah here is one you tossers might like…. being in the spirit of things of coarse
Heapa Shit Vehicle (H.S.V.)
and next time you guys come back pleas submit a real argument based on facts not just a shallow “they are better just because”
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July 18th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
i am a holden supporter but i think that the holdens really suck.
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July 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
naa im only joking the ford looks better i love the fpv i think it would blow the holden away love it
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July 18th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
The K-Dog who posted a comment July 18 @ 3:03 PM is not me. It’s just some F.O.R.D. dickhead copying a Holden man!!!
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July 18th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Bloomin heck!
Why dont all you girlies shut up!
Vehicles in the same class are inevitably gunna look the same, and maybe ford has stolen ideas from holden and maybe holden has stolen from ford! Get over it! its a competitive world and ya gotta do what ya gotta do!
I think everyone should drop the biased views, step back and realise that both manafacturers and vehicles have good and bad aspects.
But the new A6 has 9 billion patents, oh first of all prove it! second of all an newly designed button/ switch can be patented. Patents can be filed and then never completed also! Patents online have many filed patents of ideas that have not ever been developed.
Good o Audi if they did complete them anyway thats a pretty good acheivement.
The holden ute aint mean shit anyway, the maloo is all that matters.
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July 19th, 2007 at 11:41 am
you really need to get laid
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July 19th, 2007 at 2:51 pm
hey u ford fans should get out there & drive a holden, then you’ll know how a real car go’s
onya K-Dog (the real one!)
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July 19th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Nick’s right. I’ve had 3 Commdores (A VK wagon, VR sedan and a VX SS) and they all went like the wind! Then I had a ride in my uncles XR8 (BA) and it was a piece of shit. Not revvy at all! My uncle said that the XR8 kept breaking down (pretty much every month), and with the VX I had 4 years without a problem!!!
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July 19th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
I hope holden brings out a inline six that would be cool
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July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
the ford falcon is going to kick ass when it comes out. the one now is not as good but if ford took parts from other cars then it would be good to. holden are just mongrel cars
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July 19th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
The K-Dog who posted a comment on July 19 @ 5:51pm was not me. It was the dickhead again copying me. I like V6’s, but I don’t want Holden 2 go soft like F.O.R.D. Holden need 2 keep the V8’s coming!!!
P.S. The new Ford is gonna suck. Its not gonna be able 2 compete against the VE Comm.
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July 19th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
At 8:45 AM today (19/7/2007) I was driving along Forestway, Belrose NSW next to 2 New Commodore (??) sedans (one bright blue). They were both decked out with full front & rear covers, had VIC number plates & were being escorted by another 2 current model Commodores (orange & green). Wish I had taken photos of them for you all. So the new models are “out & about”
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July 20th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Hahahaha….I feel so sorry for you guys. I’m really wanting to rip you Ford fella’s arguments to shreds but I’m not sure if I’m going to be bothered to waist my time with your one-sightedness.
A bunch of Ford fans who, when someone else wants to post a comment contrary to your view, rip to shreds and send them back to the hole, I mean “real world”.
You want to stay in your little comfort zone of a forum where you feel safe from reality don’t you? LOL!!!
You little teenybopper P-platers want to talk about headlight design? OK get front views of the last 20 years history of Commodore and Falcon headlights then try and argue the point. Go on….I cant help but think of the AU lights. LOL!!!! ROFL!!!
Argument won already.
The Commodore headlights have evolved more smoothly to the current shape, and good or bad the VX & VY lights were the first to have the tear drops. Ford then introduced the twin tear drops(integra style)yeh..ok..it also evolved from the XR lights as well.lol.
Now, $$$ talks and bullshit walks so, since the VT model was introduced how much money has Holden earned compared to FORD Australia? If you say Ford, you are a straight out liar!
Yes, Holden are concentrating more on show pony utes these days, because they are smart. A standard ute price compared to an SS? $$$ch-ching$$$ and yes, good looking cars are good for the image. Both Ford and Holden are good looking cars. But Holden are taking advantage of it more. Ford will eventually follow.
Yes I agree, Ford Australia has finally created a good engine (after 3 attempts) with the turbo version of the antiquated I6. But it is so long that even on the new model, look at the huge overhang thats required at the front to hold it. Disgusting.
And they just ditched the straight 6 anyway, just like the Fairlane/LTD’s. LOL!!! Hopefully Ford’s upcoming foreign sourced V6 will more then make up for it.
And if the new car is so wonderful, why isn’t Ford using it as a global platform this round. I’m sure they will export some(Ford may use the ute to lower average US fuel economy figures by replacing some of the large trucks just as GM are planning) but it looks like they want to use the next Falcon chassis after Orion for the true global chassis which wont be ready for years (and they really dropped the ball not getting the export program happening a lot earlier. But I spose, Ford had to wait to learn from Holden how to do it properly).
I had a meeting with a major American parts supplier to Ford, Toyota and Mitsubishi from Detroit yesterday and from what he said, prey that the Falcon does well abroad because Ford needs the cash real bad.
Toyota cant make cars fast enough over there!!! And Ford is bleeding bad.
I want Ford Australia to do well, don’t get me wrong but please dont be so biased boys. You should be welcoming thread contributions. Not scaring them off with your same old same old bulls**t to keep yourselves in the little cicle of safety. It just makes you look like your living in denial. Also, I have seen plenty of new cars with rust. All it takes is one badly mounted seal, a scratch and humidity (or a design fault like the VL Commodore boot.hehe) to start the cancer.
A final comment for now, One thing I will give Ford Australia credit for is the Territory. That was smart. I’ll give credit where credit’s due.
PS-When are just one of you power hump guys gonna put the foot down and actually show me what the turbo can do. I would truly love to see it.
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July 20th, 2007 at 9:43 pm
Good God.
The previous V* series utes were actually rather good looking.
From what i see up there, the only way this dog will look any good is in Maloo guise.
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July 21st, 2007 at 8:27 am
hey random, the new Maloo is on www.cgiautomotive.com
You should check it out, I luv it!
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July 21st, 2007 at 8:28 am
hey random, the new Maloo is on www.cgiautomotive.com
You should check it out, I luv it!
P.S. I think most of the cars on that site are computer generated so they may not look like that when they come out.
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July 21st, 2007 at 8:29 am
Sorry about that, my com glitched!>:(
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July 21st, 2007 at 8:32 am
Hey Bev, just askin, did ya get a look at any small details on the new Comm, like the exhaust pipe or door handles???
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July 22nd, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Hey everyone, breaking news (its old actually) the new Falcon Piece of Shit sucks. The VE Comm will shit all over it!!!
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July 24th, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Since when does a base model ford or holden ute look good anyway?
Wish all you 15 year olds bitching about fords and holdens go back and play with your matchbox cars
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July 25th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
Hey what the?, i may be under 15, but i stopped playing wiv toy cars when i was 6. Just becoz were not adults yet, doesnt mean were babies!!!
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July 25th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
hey K-dog
the photos on CGI that you posted arent for real are they?
the ute trays on them look so awkward
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July 26th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
I think most of them are computer made by CGI, Andy.M
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July 27th, 2007 at 4:43 am
Yes being 15 year old does make you babys!.. When your still on the tit.
Anyway you can see fuck all here so anyone that thinks they know what it is must be superman with x-ray vision or something.
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July 27th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
i herd holden is going to bring out a 1700kw stock in there ute is that true
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July 28th, 2007 at 9:46 am
napolian did u mean 170kw? I mean, 1700kw would be good but its a bit too powerful, isnt it???
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July 28th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
K-dog, im a ford fan but im not here to cause trouble, but honestly the only one on CGI worth getting excited about would be the maloo (minus the ugly tray of course, but im sure it wont look like that)
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July 29th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Hey, Andy.M, if you think that only the Maloo looks good, you don’t know what a good car looks like. The wagons and SS utes look great, even if they are computer generated!!!
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July 29th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
K-dog i think the roofline on the wagons runs off too quick. from the front they look like hatch backs.
i doubt the back end will look like that though. surely they wouldnt be silly enough to have a tail gate that narrow aswell
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July 30th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
To Azza firstly,
Ford fans thought back in 1997 that the AU (Awfully Ugly) would beat the (Very Tantalising/Tasty/Terific) VT Commodore which we all know now was far from the result and I very much doubt that a New Falcon which is still using all the same details as the 1997 AU except for the body and as we have heard recently V6. Try and tell me that suspension setup etc is totally new and that the platform is new. The Commodores Zeta platform is all new as is the rest of the car. Also in relation to the Headlights remember that the Toyota Corolla of 2 generations back had the front that the BA/BF Falcon have now as did the last model Hyundai Elantra which was out well before the BA Falcon. So who is copying who. Just because all modern cars have round projector style headlights does not mean there is copying. Just remember that Ford will have a 1997 platform for their Falcon for at least another generation of the Falcon and possibly the last generation of it unless they get a substantial export program going. Ford better pull their finger out if Fords remaining Australian employees are to have future employment.
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July 30th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Oh forgot to mention then when Ford do release the new Falcon, there will be a series 2 VE very close to release with from what I hear will have a Turbo Diesel V6 motor and displacement on demand for the V8. Thats just to name a few of the many changes to keep it one step in front of the Falcon. Ford will always be playing catch up to the Holden. Oh also a new 6 speed auto and manual is close for the base model Commodore as is a new version of the 3.6Ltr V6 which will have a minimum 205kw for the base models and higher for the high output V6 for SV6 and Calais?Statesman/Caprice.
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July 31st, 2007 at 1:22 am
john,holden are playing catch up as for the gts manual its ruff as guts and fords 6 speed trans is silky smooth i used to like holden before the gen 3. I lost faith in hsv after that 6.0 is a slick unit but the trans no way and i like autos and the holden just dont do it for me.So i spent 52k on a xr8 instead and thats the goods.
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July 31st, 2007 at 1:27 am
Oh ant the new hsv auto is not even close to fords,hsv have to play catch up ther wouldnt you agree?dont kid your self all holden drivers admit this.
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July 31st, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Ford has copied Holden more than Holden has Ford. Holden were the first to include: ABS SRS EBD ESP TC on an Australian Built Family sized Car. The Series 2 VE V8 will have Xenon Headlights; Displacement on Demand - another first for Holden.
However; Ford were the first with a 6 Speed Auto..
From reports Ford haven’t included a ute as part of the Orion project. Whereas Holden planned to make the Zeta platform - used under the VE as flexible and versatile as possible allowing them to make a wide range of cars both RWD and AWD.
If Ford do make a Ute with the new platform they will have to drop the leaf spring suspension and replace it with an independent system which the Holden ute has had for years.
I hope HSV make the Maloo look similar to the HRT/LE Concept from a couple of years ago.
As for the VE Wagon, I like it. In profile its similar to the Audi Allroad Wagon.. it could have a tailgate similar to that of the Chrysler 300C/Magnum which is hinged in the roof behind the passenger seat for easier access.
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July 31st, 2007 at 3:43 pm
hey gyse i baught a hsv the other day its ausem its got heeps of power. im very inprest with the ve they look geat and they preform grate. befor i baught the ve i test drove gtp falcon thats a very good car to but the ve is a more modernized car not saying the the gtp is bad it beat my hsv in a race. but im happy with the ve
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July 31st, 2007 at 7:28 pm
gee its sad we cant get away from the who copied who thing.
i was happy to sit back and read until i see a lot of wrong facts out there…….
John, you have just shown you know nothing about the AU falcon. the AU was a far better car than the VT VX bar the looks. handling, power, drivetrain, the list goes on. just because the VE platform is newer doesnt mean it is better. all that shows is that holden were sooo far behing in that department.
yes a lot of headlights look similar but what more can you do with a rectangular plastic thing? really.
but i must say (not that it matters) the BA/VE headlight is one of the closest i have seen and because they are close competitors, it will stand out like anything.
also you might want to read up on ford before you critisize them. they are doing a ute check out the spyshots. unlike holden ford will release the ute at the same time.
Wheelnut,
mate if you dont know dont say anything.
i believe holden are the ones playing catch up.
ford had these first……….
remote locking
remote boot release
airbag
passenger airbag
ABS
EBD and ESP i believe came around the same time
16″ wheels
panic alarm
locking that tells you when the doors arent shut
power,power and power
handling (keep in mind that the VE is now only on a par with the falcon in this area)thats right this “shit AU chassis you guys go on about, well holden has only just been able to match it.
it is totally unfair to say ford is always playing catch up.
as for the ute, yes it is coming at the same time and it does appear to be on leafs (well the stock ones anyway dont know about the GT’s yet)
whats wrong with leafs??? they are a ute arent they?? made for carrying weight???
the idea of dumping 1 ton on delicate suspension doesnt seem to good to me, well thats if they can get a 1ton rating out of it on coils.
and just for the record and i know you will say it but ill get in first and have you know that ford can, and have gotten a ute on leafs to handle better than a commy on coils FACT
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July 31st, 2007 at 9:02 pm
jee andrew M you always have heeps good combacks u always shut the other gye up lol good on ya champ
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July 31st, 2007 at 9:18 pm
dan the man,
well its not hard when there are obviously wrong facts being posted.
i mean i reckon i know more about holdens than most holden fans because i research both makes.
99% of holden fans dont know anything about fords yet they always critisize ford.
i do not say bad things about holden unless i hear people bagging out ford, then i set em straight
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August 1st, 2007 at 9:44 am
I also research both Ford and Holden from various sources. I’m prepared to criticise and congratulate both marques when they build quality/crap cars or introduce new things. Hey if it wasn’t for Ford [who created the Ute] we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
I believe that given the size of the Australian Market the resources and budgets both companies have to work with overall both of them do a pretty good job.
I understand that a car on leafs can handle as well as a car on coils in the same way that a 4 or 6 cylinder can produce as much power or even more than a V8 - its all about the engineering.
However; Ford is apparently looking at independent springs for the FPV utes because of all the criticism it got in [MOTOR] magazines when they were compared to their HSV rivals. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Anyway these days more and more people buying either Ford or Holden utes are buying them as show ponies not work horses.. those who are after a work vehicle are opting for either a Hilux a Rodeo or a BT-50
Which is why the XR8 and SS utes [and above] now have luxury items such as leather interior; premium brakes etc.. virtually turning them into a 2 door Fairmont/Calais with a big boot.
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August 1st, 2007 at 5:01 pm
This new VE Ute is bigger,better, wider and tougher that any other ute on the road.I have now taken my third order, all are subject to being happy with the new shape, and rest assured the new colours and different model options are all great.For anyone that would like to own one, and not just dream about owning one, then simply send me an email amd will be happy to assist.Cheers. brads@baycityholden.com.au
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August 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Brad of course you will say that, you are trying to sell them. oh and check your dimensions…are they really wider, bigger and better. better not be a bit of false advertising going on!!!!
anyway,
ok wheel nut so do you think it was unfair and incorrect to say this before…….
“Ford has copied Holden more than Holden has Ford.”???
yeah it wouldnt surprise me if they put coils in the FPV’s etc but only due to the critisism. a lot of people think just because leafs are older they are worse. thats not true.
look at the v8 utes series… the 5.4L leaf falcons have no problem out muscling the 6.0L coil sprung holdens, and thats prob the real test i suppose
you would also be surprised that people that want utes for work are still going for the falcon #1 seller. prob cause it still has leafs and ford actually still do cater for the trades unlike holden.
yeah you are nut bad wheel nut put your first comments upset me. your last post was a bit fairer
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August 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 am
I realize that this comment has little to no relevance to this thread, but I find it quite amusing that Holden sport a Daewoo and several Opals in their line up. Can’t they engineer their own cars?
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August 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 am
This months Wheels Magazine has an article on the new FPVs including the 320Kw GTP. It says that apart from the XR6T all Falcons will “finally” be more powerful than the Holden/HSVs.
In the same issue there’s a report that in a couple of years Ford will ditch the DOHC V8 and revert to a Pushrod V8.. which Holden/HSV have been using for years.
Many people criticised Holden for this but just like old leaf springs they do the job and can handle a lot more.
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August 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 am
As for Ford copying Holden [vice versa] it’s hard to say who copied who.
I mean there hasn’t really been an original idea in the Automotive industry for years. Sure Mercedes have infra-red vision on the new S series but that was adapted from Jet Fighters.
If a competitor comes out with a new look or a new feature on one of their products and it turns out to be popular of course the other companies are going to make their product look similar or add the same feature to their products and call it something slightly different. It’s the way the iindustry works
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August 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pm
you know wats a joke? how long it has taken to make a shity VE ute least ford has the brains to design a ute with the sedan and not have to copy the body shape unlike holden did with the model before the the VE holdens suck FORDS rule
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August 2nd, 2007 at 1:31 pm
The reason its taken so long for Holden to release the VE Ute is because unlike Ford; Holden exports cars [Commodore]to the USA Middle East UK and plans to go into Europe. Ford don’t export half as many cars [or engines] as Holden therefore they are able to launch the Sedan and the Ute at the same time.. and they no longer have the LWB Fairlane/LTD to worry about
The launch the Statesman was brought forward to the same time as the sedan inorder to meet overseas demand and the launch of the ute was delayed until next month - it’s usually the other way round.
The design of the ute was always part of the VE project It’s expected that Holden will export the ute to the States where it will be classified as a Pick-up after a few modifications have been made.
HSV pushed hard for Holden to include the VE ute from the start as the Maloo is HSVs second most popular car after the Clubbie. But there are no plans for Holden to make a VE Crewman.. a Sandman.. Maybe?
Holden has just been declared [by Bob Lutz] as the Research and Development centre for GMs RWD cars. Holden has also been doing work on other projects like the 08 Camaro which could lead to yet another Monaro. Holden is also developing a more compact car similar to the Torana TT-36 Concept car which it also plans to export.
I don’t mean to bag Ford; It’s good that they will be making small cars here soon; [Hopefully Holden will make an Aussie Astra]. However; Since the launch of the VE Holden has been focussing more on exports.
I also hear that Ford Oz could become teh RWD centre and maybe even build the next generation Mustang
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August 2nd, 2007 at 4:51 pm
wheel nut,
yeah dead right, ford are setting up to do the same thing for their mother company in the states. it must be something about aussie platforms.
well holden arent on to it yet either. their exports havent really taken off yet and somehow i think they were sending them over before they were ready just to get some recognition going before ford really comes.
i mean what they were sending over there was pretty much return to sender stuff. the chassis and most that went with it came from there so it wasnt interesting.
holden exports motors???????
well do they??????? what motors do they export cause what they have here is imported.
i dont think ute launch dates has much to do with exports tying them up. id say they extra people to deal with that. besides the same thing happened with the launch of the VS-VU ute.
ok so if maloo is 2nd highest HSV seller what is 3rd?
astra? wouldnt be hard to beat that in sales. (im not having a go at the maloo either)
if the ute was to go to the states it would have to toughen up a lot otherwise it would be seen as the proton jumbuck of utes in our terms
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August 2nd, 2007 at 9:08 pm
The V8 is imported but the current V6 engine is built here. However they mainly export both 4 and 6 cylinder engines to other companies mainly GM subs. but there are a few exceptions the V6 in the Alfoa Romeo Brera
is apparently from here I’m trying to find out more about that.
Sire the V8 and Gearbox on the GTO came from the USA but the chassis of the VT-VX commodores was an Opel platform which modified by Holden to take a bigger engine New IRS etc [as were the other previous models]. The suspension in the old Commodores was based on the RTS system developed by Peter Hannenberger whilst he was an engineer at Holden in the VB-VK era. However the main point was the specifications and the fit and finish compared to the US built cars.
The Zeta platform under the Current VE is an all Australian design as are a number of the sub assemblies such as the compact suspension units.
GM wanted Holden to use the Sigma from Pontiac however Holden Engineers found that it wouldn’t be Suitable for Australia.
The other reason that Both Ford and Holden are becoming RWD Cntres is because GM and Ford in the States are looking for cheaper means of Production and with their high employee health costs they’re now looking at gradually getting out of the States. Iconic cars like the Camaro will be built in Canada and the Mustang here.. that would be unheard of years ago
Holden may also become one of GMs major design studios
along with Opel in Europe
When the Ute is exported to the States it will remain pretty much the same size as its not intended to compete with the Tundra of F-series
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August 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pm
as of 2010 ford will be expoting the ford falcons to america and 2008 fpv f6 typhoon will have over 300kw wich isnt that bad for a turbo charged 6
What dose holden have that can produce that out of a 6 cylinder engine WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANSWER THAT
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August 3rd, 2007 at 5:08 pm
300Kw from a 6 cylinder is a brilliant effort. I reckon if an Aftermarket Performance Workshop modifies the air intake; the exhaust or the ECU a bit more they could easily reach 320Kw [same as the GT-P]. I’m sure CAPA will give it a go. I’d seriously consider one.
As yet Holden don’t have a Turbo 6 but there are reports of them releasing a twin turbo V6 model in 2010; similar to the TT-36 concept car
The New Turbo 6 [Torana] will use either the 3.6 litre from the Commodore However Holden are apparently planning a completely new, lightweight engine which will replace the current engine which is based on the old VN V6. The TT-36 produced 280Kw and Holden are aiming at around the 300kw mark as well.
Because the TT-36 was built on a modified Zeta [VE] Platform; theres the possibility that the Torana could possibly be turned into a compact AWD. Wait and See..
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August 4th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Hello,
BUY A LEXUS YOU WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THIS BECAUSE SOPHISTICATED WOMEN WILL WANT YOU MORE THAN THE EASY GIRLS WHO GO FOR GUYS IN UTES WHO LIKE TO SHOW OIFF THE SIZE OF THEIR, ER……. ENGINE
IF YOU OWN A HEAP OF INVESTMENT PROPERTIES LIKE I DO AND YOUR ONLY 25, A COMMODRE WITH COP WHEELS IS THE WAY TO GO - It makes the renters feel that you are struggling like them.
IF YOU WANT A CAR TO DRIVE AROUND AUSTRALIA GET A FORD FAIRMONT GHIA V8
If you want a car that is reliable, and will still drive like it should in 7 years, buy a Lexus.
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August 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
if you wana get laid in the backseat, Use the Falcon or Commodore, THEIR IS BUGGER ALL ROOM IN THE LEXUS
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August 4th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
The Mighty VN commodore with several different coloured body panels makes rental tennants feel comfortable when you do an inspection
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August 5th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
and what car should we get iff we want to shut you up
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August 6th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
Why are we arguing about whether or not Ford or Holden is better? Isnt this space for comments about the ve ute???
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August 7th, 2007 at 4:12 pm
yea your rite mate
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August 7th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
i recon the holden ssv in the ute version would look ausem. what do use think
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August 8th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Oy, mini, u seen the computer generated image of da ssv ute on www.cgiautomotive.com??? if u havent u should check it out, its hell cool!!!
It also has the wagons as well, and some HSVs…
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August 9th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Man this is ugly, why bother paying hard earned money to buy garbage it dosen’t inspire anybody, certainly not me, I would feel like a bitch in a dog box driving this bucket of loose bolts.
I mean for a start, holden are really only reckonized by one race the v8 supercars and had to cheat last year to win it (KELLY THE WANKER), but for ford they are in everything and do very well. so who would be more inspired to drive holden, your just ass wipes.
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August 9th, 2007 at 4:10 pm
dam k dogg that ssv ute is ausem thanks for the link man
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August 9th, 2007 at 4:23 pm
no worries mini.
Hey wz, ur a dumbass. Ford cheats hell worse than Holden. At Eastern Creek in ‘03, Ingall spun Skaifey into the wall so Ambrose colud win the series, and in ‘05 at Barbagallo Ambrose just turned into Skaifey for no reason and ruined his weekend. Last year, Lowndes hit Ingall across the first chicane at Surfers to overtake him, and didn’t even readdress the move and then had a go at the stewards saying ‘the championship was rigged’! What a load of crap!
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August 9th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
does any one no when the holden utes are coming out
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August 9th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
K-dog,
it depends which side you barrick for how you see it espaecially when no blame is laid on anyone.
1. eastern creek 03 the ford fans can also say skaife pushed ingall off the track first which he did, he left him no room. when ingalls left rear dropped over the ripple strip the front end kicked back on to the track and it had nothing to do with ambrose winning the series.
2. ‘05 ambrose in to skaify….racing incident. it was also one of skaifys worst years anyhow. the luck he was having, if he wasnt hit, the engine wouldnt have made it to the end.
3. surfers….. lowndes V ingall. Lowndes did re-address. the thing is he waited until the safest part of the track to do it (the back straight) only the officials were too quick to act. yep and the other day skaife was at fault and he readressed, but it wasnt straight away either. he like lowndes waited until it was safe to do so.
any how the last race of last year was a little different. tander also tried to slow lowndes cause he clearly had a faster car than rick. and when rick punted lowndes off he was found guilty of reckless driving. sad thing for lowndes is his car was stuffed so no amount of drive through penalties would match the damage he inflicted on lowndes.
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August 10th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
mily, i think the utes & wagons are coming out late 2007 or early 2008 ; )
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August 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
All people who would like to see the new Holden ute go to www.cgiautomotive.com it also has the wagons, HSVs and some other cool stuff.
Check it out!
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August 10th, 2007 at 7:11 pm
All people who would like to see the new Holden ute go to www.cgiautomotive.com it also has the wagons, HSVs and some other cool stuff.
Check it out! (if u havent seen it already) ; )
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August 10th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Sorry, my com glitched. =P
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August 10th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
they will bring the utes and the wagons out in 2008 do you know why there doing that. ill tell you why because the 2008 ford orion is coming out then and holden know thats bad news so they are bringing them out then so holdens can sell them at the same time.
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August 10th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Ha ha ha!!! Holden have become the most pittful excuse of a car brand on the planet. They’re beginning to make Proton look extreme.
What are they trying to pull with bringing out that ridiculous piece of crap and calling it the HSV GTS-R?
Ooooo!!! Careful Ford fans this could be end of Ford’s V8s!
NOT LIKELY!
Does GM not realise that there is a car called the Shelby Mustang GT500? Even if that doesn’t quite work all that well, there is the GT500KR, and if that doesn’t work then there is always the GT500 Super Snake… Hmmm, not looking too good for GM… Oh yeah, did I not mention the the Falcon Cobra?
And this ute that “Holden” has produced, is just pungent! Did someone at Holden let the work experience kid design it?
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August 11th, 2007 at 3:56 pm
lol
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August 12th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Hey
I am Holden Supporter(Who also holds the up most respect for the competition)
This is our first post i just read the whole thread and found it is the biggest crock of shiat. Who gives a flying F%$k who made ABS a standard first. That was what 10 years ago now. The fact is that at the moment the VE is the better car. When the orion comes out it MAY be second best and i can accept that and chances are i would still buy the holden over the ford and if i looked over the fords specs i sure i could niggle at every little thing but i am sure a ford supporter would do the exact same to the holden so give it up you are not going to convince your average holden supporter that ford is the better car or vice versa.
Holden make Great cars
Ford make Great Cars
For the record new VE HSV Kick arse
Read August 07 MOTOR Mag Good Comparison on Dyno
Enjoy Life Lads and remember rome wasnt built in a day
it takes time to perfect things
Rory
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August 15th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
I have heard that the media release for the VE ute is August 22. Qld dealers get to see it in the flesh on August 28 and they expect to see the first of the product in dealerships early September but don’t expect to see decent quantities available under mid October to mid November.
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August 16th, 2007 at 1:16 pm
www.evolutionendshere.com.au
if that countdown is right, somethings going to happen on 23rd August?
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August 17th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Azza, get ya car specs right before you start an arguement, if im correct, all of those Mustang variants you mention are equipped with a bronze age LIVE REAR AXLE!! Big Grunt from a V8 will always rule the roost, but no good if ya get get the power to the black stuff!!!
A normal Mustang has enough power down and axle tramp problems enough as it is, so watch out FORD, GM has Independant Suspension!!!! Other Bronze age Live Axle/ leaf sprung Ford Products to mention, Facon Wagon, Falcon Ute. And how long has Ford Aust. been using the exterior cabin design (front rear doors, and in wagon form, um the whole vehicle from the firewall back…)
Yeah sure, the leaf sprung/live axle falcon ute has a better payload then the coil/semi IRS VZ Commodore of current(though again power down and handling suffers a lot), but how many Tradies do you see drive Falcon and Commodore Utes compared to eg, Toyota Hi-Lux, Holden Rodeo ect.
I am A Holden Man yeah, but remember, a ute is designed for the tradies!!! They look good in (of course)HSV and (I s’pose)FPV form, yes, but the specs on both of those brands utes makes them pointless in respects to their original use, which is load luggin, beer haulin (and a bit of sideways action at a work site!!!)Yee Ha!!
And Azza, we’re in Australia, and not officially on the market here in this country, who gives a shit about a Mustang. All of your Arguements are biased Ford crap, we get ya point.
And finally, recent spy photos of the 2008 Falcon saw many prestige Europeans cars, BMW, Audi, but guess what else was there??? Yep a VE Commodore, When VE was being developed, I didn’t see a Falcon in sight.
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August 19th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
Right… Mitch what I am getting at here, is if Holden/HSV get to use a Chevrolette High Performance 7.0L V8 (IMPORTED) then why can’t Ford over here in Aust. use a High Performance V8 from SVT (imported)? Exactly, which rumour has it, is what Ford/FPV have considered using in the upcoming FPV Cobra LE Model. That is a rumour so do not hold me to that.
Get my car specs right? Maybe you should take a leaf out of your own book…
And about the whole thing about no photos of the new Falcon in the background when the VE was being developed… well maybe, just maybe, the “new” Falcon wasn’t there, because it hadn’t been developed yet… You pittiful fool. And before you begin to mention “well the BF MKII could have been there but it isn’t in the VE’s league…”
No the BF MKII wasn’t there because it is a 5 year old model with some updates! And it cracks me up because for some strange reason, that 5 year old model is still better in 90% of areas than the VE Commodore which cost Australian Tax payers $1 billion! You think i’m being bias but i’m not, i’m telling the truth as it is.
Ford is literally years ahead of Holden in Technology of all sorts. You said it yourself at the beginning of your little hissy fit.
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August 19th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Gee Mitch, you love to .itch! Azza your comment is great!!!
Mitch… really who gives a flying truck whether a Ford Falcon had a VE hovering in the background. Do you look at footage or something trying to work out if authentic or added into picture or shadows face wrong way or any other conspiracy theory! Mitch I have stood in crowds where John Howard was… so just calm yourself down as I was interested in listening and was not there as a security threat or demonstrator or any other silly wild ASSUMPTIONS on your behalf. If you think car companies do not get other cars that have certain qualities to compare them to in real situations, then you are loosing. Mate your beep booping and scatting and your loosing it!
Dont talk on behalf of tradies mate… glad that Ford make LPG only motors and produce them in the Ford factory with Ford thinking. The OPEL / KOMBIDORE do not make one and only have the brains to ship it out off factory floor to a contractor elsewhere for fitment and even then dual fuel with worse economy… not good for tradies mate so you want to throw that comment down the toilet and flush it very quickly and often. If you never had Opel and Vauxhall you would have a whole crap line up out of Australia where the Epica, Lexcen, Cruise, Adventra, Avalanche, CV6, CV8, Viva, Captiva, Barina came from. The poor excuse of detail on VXR (is it a HSV or OPEL as this car has an alter ego to confuse buyers when compared to past HSV’s) involves a lot of basic skill with PROFESSIONALLY fitted stickers fitted on cars here as about as complex and involved as it gets here! WOW maybe put a commercial up stating “The technology is cutting edge and state of the art of the VRX, it cost in excess of 1 billion dollars to come up with model variant away from Opel and even then we missed things and deliberately forget fancy HSV things, but hey who cares as they will buy them”
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August 19th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Actually now that I think about it, that is probably where the VE belongs! In the background! And it is where it should stay, so that it can no longer harm anyone’s eyes with it’s terrible looks!
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August 20th, 2007 at 10:39 am
1 billion $$$ of Australia’s taxpayers money??? what a crock of shit. It’s called profit (holden does have some….???)
And wasn’t it the current Aust(Liberal’s) gov. that gave ford aust. over 100 million??? For Apparant development of hybrid technology??? It maybe true, but who’s pocket’s did that come from??? yep mine, yours ect…
And roberto??? wot comment.. hey I agree Ford has the tradesman market edge, but everyone is commenting about the way the VE ute looks. I shouldnt matter, i wasn’t designed as a looker, its a worker.
And I am quite aware of the rebadging of many holden GM vehicles, I own an Astra (sri Turbo), and im aware that it is, well mine anyway, is made in belguim. But dont blabber on about GM doing it, every car maker has been doing it!!!!
And my remark about the VE in the backround of a Falcon development mule??? Holden (and holden by themselves, not Opel ect) must have produced a a brilliant vehicle for other Car companies, like ford, to have their car being compared to it.
My advice, go and drive a VE commodore. I have, and i own one!!! I have driven a Falcon, just to see where their at, and at this current chassis cant match the VE.
Though, transmission and 6 cylinder refinement is better in the Falcon, I admit it. But the heavy BOSS V8 in Ford and FPV form cant keep up with standard GEN 4 V8 or even XR6 Turbo.
But I dont think you (Azza, roberto) have driven one, so if you havent DONT comment on the VE!!!
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August 20th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
AZZA… Mitch is right mate, it is not taxpayers money where research and design went into the OPEL / VE KOMBIDORE! It comes direct from the company bottom line.
MITCH… well umm fact is most car makers (especially bigger ones) got serious funds for new technology (eg: hybrid, electric, etc). Holden got more so do not even go there!
And nobody is blabbering, you must feel pissed that an iconic brand like Holden with another OPEL car (hmmm where would Holden be without OPEL AND VAUXHALL) the Astra HSV put there expertise by sticking stickers on it at best. That says “YEAH WHY BOTHER, STUFF THE GUAGES AS MAJOR COST, LETS JUST DO THE STICKERS AND DON’T WORRY ABOUT HSV LOGO… LIKE WHO CARES 177kW FROM FRONT WHEELER WITH NO 4WD MEANS MASSIVE TORQUE STEER ISSUES. LEAVE IT STANDARD AND WE WILL BUMP THE COST UP CLOSE OR ABOVE SIMILAR OPPOSITION. WE KNOW IT IS A BACKWARD STEP, BUT FORD DID IT FIRST WITH THE FOCUS XR5 SO WE MUST FOLLOW SUIT. EXCEPT WE WILL PUT THE HSV LOGO ON STICKERS AND PEOPLE ARE STUPID AS THEY CANNOT TELL IT IS AN OPEL…”
HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA IS A LOAD OF CRAP!
All car makers have test mule cars from balance of cars they compete against to cross check performance and handling in certain areas. FACT!
Concerning the VE, mate you are putting the apple before the cart… I have driven one. It is nice but not the quantum leap above an older Falcon. Its motor is coarse, steering vague, rougher motor, bad fuel economy. Mate and it is nice looking from side on looking towards front with the short overhang and how the front wheelarch flare cuts in to the front is hot. But then I lokk at the back and see opposite, what the hell is the bizarre Mr Bean rear tailight thing - mate it looks fugly (that is f…en ugly). Then you look at the rear wheelarch and it does not gel with the front one as the front one is sort of hidden with the front bumper and the back flare is just Dukes of Hazzard wierd crap! Mate it looks like Kevin Rudd drove it back from the strip club he cannot remember about… heh heh heh! Lucky OPEL had something for the simply ones Downunder to tweak and work on, it would of been hard without OPEL and Vauxhall. HOLDEN MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA (i.e. they only make the OPEL Kombidore that had its genes from Europe).
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August 20th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
I would like Mitch to tell us about Holden. Why is it they only make the OPEL KOMBIDORE… Is there a car with 100% content from downunder???
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August 21st, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Where do you get OPEL KOMBIDORE from??? Hey i know all Commodores (until the VE) has been a based on European variants, but like you say, who cares.So mid 2005 dude.
The Falcon was the benchmark (in australian built saloons, and remember i am a Holden fan, so im not being biased), until the VE Commodore came. The current Falcon has an excellent 6 cylinder, more grunt and loads more torque in standard non turbo form, compared to even the 195kw Alloytec. And the ZF 6 speed auto transmission is definatly the best in the biz.
Unfortunatly for Ford, the V8 is a dud. Short rev window comparared to the Gen IV, no low rpm torque, and not much top end power, and when the big cams of the 5.4 do kick in about 3500 rpm, it’s all over ant 5900.
Ford did take a slight step back with the rack in the BA. Whilst it was a lot better than the ‘nothing much happening here’ VT-VZ Commodore, it wasn’t as crisp, accurate and lost a bit of feel and communication compared to the AU. And in V8 form, with the big V8 high in the engine bay, didn’t help much either.
When the VE arrived, it absolutley smashed the Falcon for on road dynamics. A shed load of feel and communication, great balance, and overall chassis poise and grip (not reliant on the front outside tyre like VT-VZ) I don’t however know where you got ‘vague’ from if you commenting on the VE, unless it was the previous series. If thats that case, I agree.
And the looks of the VE? Well first thing for everyone out there (im not quoting on yourself Rob, you havent said anything of the like) that the VE looks anything like a Falcon they have got it all wrong. The basic shape and minor exterior proportions of the VE where signed of in 2002, whilst the overall bumper trims ect where a done deal in 2003-2004. Looking at the thing, I dont know where people see anything like that. So thats crap.
Though my point of view towards the design of the Falcon is:
*Whilst it was a clean looking car in 2002, Ford have not change anything since(apart from minor front grille and bumper), and it is overall looking quite dated. And as I mentioned in my previous ‘rant’ the exterior shell (door, roofline) is from an AU, so dated in that detial indeed.
*Unlike the Commodore variants, current and previous, Ford has been quite lazy in model differentation. Bumber and XR/FPV front headlight alone, all of the tailights and headlights are the same, including the Fairlane! No bezel, chrome or blackout details on any tailights, and no projector lens ect for the front headlights. Every (modern, say VY series, when BA came out)Commodore has had detailed model differences between model’s, including the Statesman/Caprice.
But on your comments on quote ‘Holden means a great deal to Australia’ and ‘Is their a car with 100% Aussie Content’, well first, no, their is not a car in with 100% Aussie blood.
Holden sourced thier transmission’s and the Alloytec V6 (though Holden did have a major designed input toward it), but the chassis is a clean sheet Aussie design!!! (so stop with OPEL KOMBIDORE CRAP)!!! And Ford gets the ZF 6 speed Auto from, well, ZF in Europe, The V8 is sourced from the US, similar to the V8 in Mustang, Ford GT ect. The Mitsubishi 380 and Toyota Aurion is based of thr US version of the Galant and Avalon respectivley. So thats that.
But, if you ask me, Holden does mean a lot to Australia. And so does Ford. Both of these manufactures build world class and Aussie tough vehicles, for a truley brilliant price, compared to the Euro’s. Agreed, both have faced some cost cutting experience’s of recent, but Aussie’s build and designed both of these cars!! We will love either one or the other, but as long as we buy Australian, and not foriegn (and im most cases) crap, we can still argue which one we pefer for a long time coming.
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August 21st, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Mitch I agree Ford has been quite lazy in model differentation and slow keeping pace with Holden (particularly the VE). When the Falcon comes out it might be ahead of the Commodore, then when next generation Commodore comes out it will be ahead of the Falcon. What gets me about Falcon is people are saying the next Orion Falcon looks great… I say Ford has been quite lazy in model differentation and correct me if wrong but not one picture of a exposed Orion yet without car bras to hide the look yet - if the computer rendering is anything to go by heaven forbid! Holden does outsource some great stuff from Opel, etc with there European background there. Me honestly thinks Ford better have more serious model differentiation at all levels of the Falcon! And as you know Iam a Ford Supporter just ahead of Holden as Holden have no LPG only motors!
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August 23rd, 2007 at 1:11 am
glad to hear roberto & mitch finaly found even ground i have read all the blogs on this page & thought well ford has bought out ugly cars & so has holden the latest one being a prime example the best commodore they have bought out i think in looks & power has been the vl i’m a ford lover but can’t get past that model especialy the calais & i think the same way about the ba bf falcon. what really has changed about this new commodore ute ? looks the same from the side. go to the front & it’s got the same ugly front & oversized flares as the sedan. the back well not changed except the taillights are shorter & maybe intrude into the side panels further. that’s what were all here to discuss aren’t we. it may sell well but it doesn’t give me a woody
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August 24th, 2007 at 12:09 pm
Well now that everyone has seen the real deal, it’s time for those who actually like the new Ute enough to want to order one, am able to give you all an option to secure one of the following Utes, that i have coming to me, in the first batch that are not sold……..Omega V6 Auto in White, SV6 Auto “Cloth” in Nickel, SS Manual “Leather” in K-Pow(electric blue), another SS Auto in K-Pow, and one SSV Manual “Onyx Leather” in Nickel…….The new Ute does look bigger in real life, but as Andrew was hinting, the measurements are a actually less than previous models(Length & width).Am putting on a Demo Manual Ute as well for those who want a test drive, please let me know and am happy to help. brads@baycityholden.com.au Light Commercial Manager.
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August 27th, 2007 at 9:28 pm
Hey guys, if u wanna c wat the new VE Ute will actually look, go onto www.holden.com.au ok
its really kool!
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September 30th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
How can any Holden Fan Like this? The ute looks like sh*t!!!!
Why the hell did they need to show it of for with no fake panels?
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October 3rd, 2007 at 12:04 am
I’m a Ford bloke. Mitch I agree with nearly everything in your last post. A new exterior for Falcon is long overdue. The BF concentrated on better driveline, etc, (brilliant move getting the ZF) but the average person wouldn’t spot the difference between it and the BA.
Ford’s inline 6 outclasses Holden’s Alloytec V6. Yes Holden’s pushrod V8 definitely have it over Fords high-tech quad cam 4v/cylinder 5.4 (Funny how the older type is better in both cases???)
I think Ford Oz and FPV have done all they can with what they had (only way forward is super-charge it or import a new one), whereas Holden just imports a great engine from GM/Chev. Well the Oz car market is small compared to the rest of the world (ie. smaller R&D budgets), so if importing engines works better, so be it. Must be why Ford are planning to get the 5 liter (N/A and Super-Charged) from Jaguars XKF. Can only be a good thing to me.
Ford Oz have done a stellar job with the 6 (in one form or another for 30 years). The F6 Typhoon is something special, as are the SS and HSV V8’s. I can see good and bad in both cars.
The VE is a quantum leap over VT,VX,VY,VZ but it has only just leapfrogged AU,BA,BF in dynamics. All reviews I’ve read gave VE the tick but showed surprise in how close the BFII was to it.
Orion may be a major leap, maybe not, but I’m looking forward to seeing how they shape up to each other. We win from the competition, our great cars keep getting better. I’m liking how the Orion is coming along so far and will likely end up with a Typhoon next year.
I like the look of the VE ute except for the taillights and flares. I think the flares looked too big on the whole range except HSVs that really filled them with big rims.
If I was in the market for a ute, it’d be a mid range model Ford (perhaps RTV), and I’m not saying that because of the badge, but for the leaf springs. There’s no way I’d buy an FPV or HSV ute. Ute’s are supposed to be a work hack, so a flash one seems utterly pointless to me. A performance or sporty car should be a sedan IMO.
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October 3rd, 2007 at 5:06 am
Its a good design but,ill wait for the new ford before i compare the two,go the boss for reliability and better auto.
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December 29th, 2007 at 10:26 am
K-Dog, Aussie, ETC. I don’t need your rubbish!! May I have the facts please?
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December 29th, 2007 at 10:35 am
Why do you need facts for!
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December 29th, 2007 at 10:38 am
Nahh, i Didn’t need to write that!!!
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January 3rd, 2008 at 7:31 pm
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I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you got good point of view…
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