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Ford Australia posts biggest annual loss

By Jez Spinks |
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The local arm of the blue oval has bled red ink in 2011, announcing a $290 million post-tax loss that is Ford Australia’s biggest annual deficit on record.

Ford Australia’s 2011 loss is greater than the $274 million loss registered in 2008 during the global financial crisis, but follows two consecutive years of relatively modest profits.

The company’s “underlying” net operating loss was $78 million for 2011, though the total loss was blown out by a “one off” $212 million tax impairment that includes tax losses for 2011 as well as previous negative financial years where tax losses were deferred.

Ford Australia admits plummeting sales of its Falcon large car contributed to the net operating loss from revenue of $2.8 billion for 2011 – down on 2010 revenue of $3.3b – but also blamed the financial result on supply problems and costs incurred from 2011 changes that shed about 250 staff from the Broadmeadows workforce and reduced daily production output from 260 to 209 vehicles.

“The operating loss is primarily explained by one-off costs that were associated with the restructuring of our business,” said Ford Australia’s chief financial officer, Mark Rearick. “They also reflect a continuing decline in the sales of large vehicles and were significantly affected by the Thai floods.

“2011 was clearly a challenging year for the industry and clearly challenging for Ford as we did face significant changes in segmentation of customer preferences.

“The reduction in sales volumes and revenue were partially the result of the industry-wide decline in the sales of large cars. We were able to partially offset that through increased sales in small and medium cars within Ford.

Sales of the locally built Ford Falcon continue to decline dramatically, with the latest industry figures suggesting the famous nameplate is heading for a third consecutive year of record falls.

Ford Falcon sales dropped 36.5 per cent to 18,741 units in 2011. The large car is currently averaging about 1100 sales per month up to April 2012. If that trend continues, Ford Australia would sell fewer than 13,500 Falcons this year.

The company is pinning hopes on two new variants – the EcoLPi (LPG) and EcoBoost four-cylinder turbo petrol – that bring new levels of fuel efficiency for the Falcon.

The future of the Ford Falcon and the related Territory SUV (pictured above) are only guaranteed until the end of 2016, after a co-investment of $103 million formed by Ford and the federal government was announced at January’s 2012 Detroit motor show.

Taxpayer money, from the federal government’s New Car Plan, accounts for $34m of that sum, which is being put towards 2014 updates for the Falcon and Territory.

Ford Australia says “other income” of $102m was generated mostly from the federal government’s Automotive Transformation Scheme, but says it accounted for only 3.6 per cent of the company’s 2011 revenue.

Ford Australia president Bob Graziano said 2012 would be another challenging year for the company, and that it was striving to be profitable across its product range.

“We’re moving forward with emphasis on more fuel efficient vehicles and we’re seeing positive share increases for Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo and Territory,” said Graziano.

“Importantly, we’ve recently introduced the Ford Falcon EcoBoost that will also open doors to those fleets or governments who have a blanket four-cylinder [engine] only policy.”

Graziano said the company couldn’t predict when it could return its financial results to the black, and couldn’t guarantee that further changes to local production wouldn’t be made after its 2011 restructure to lower production volume to match local demand.

“The Territory continues to perform well this year and we’ve just launched the EcoBoost. Our intent is to continue focusing on products coming out of the plant here on the back of technologies we’ve now launched as part of the $232 million investment made in that [large vehicle] platform.

“I can’t here and guarantee anything [in terms of production changes]. What I can tell you is that we’re continuing to talk about products we have on the back of what customers are asking for, which is more fuel efficient vehicles. That’s a key want, particularly in that large-car segment.”

Ford Australia says it has continued to invest, with $282 million in 2011 allocated across research, development and facilities for local product programs as well as global product programs such as the Ford Ranger ute. The company says Ford’s total investment in Australia over the past five years has exceeded $1.7 billion.

Ford Australia’s announcement follows just two days after fellow local car maker Holden revealed its 2011 post-tax profit had slipped from $112 million in 2010 to $89.7 million.

Holden’s $89.7m result equated almost exactly to taxpayer handouts the company had received from the federal government, though the car maker says the two figures are a coincidence.

Ford Australia’s loss contradicts the global success of the Ford Motor Company, which in January announced its largest full-year profit in 13 years.


 

  • Robin_Graves

    They only have themselves to blame really.  The marketing department should all be dragged out and shot.

    • Crummydore

      Couldn’t agree with your more… they dont have a flippin clue!

      Actually, don’t shoot them, just make them all drive AU Falcons for the rest of their lives!

      • Robin_Graves

        The dealers are the next in line for the firing squad.  Old school stuffy standover-ish and totally ignorant of customer service.

        • Gtrxu1

          Good comment Robin.Recently bought a Falcon ute,very dissapointed with the ignorant customer service..

      • falcadoor

        I’d happly drive an AU for that long!! best car in terms of reliabillty i ever had!!! BA’s are the car they should drive. they had more problems then what the AU ever had

    • DeJaVu

      After the marketing department, I’d take it up to the heads of Ford USA for calling the shots. 

      It’s okay, the Holden/GM Commodore might not be my favourable choice, but it’ll look, drive and perform better than the discounted Taurus parked next to it.

    • Gibwater

      Bob Graziano says they’re ‘moving forward’.Julia Gillard once said that too……..

  • Peanut

    Ford needs a major overhaul of its Dealer Network, Marketing and Pricing Policies.

  • MichaelLock

    I’m a Ford fan through and through for the past 30 years but I am at the end of why tether with them now, no more making excesses for them at BBQ’s and general discussions. 
    When they backed down on their commitment to build the Focus here and instead now offer out of Thailand at NO reduced price (Free Trade Agreement in place) as opposed to the German built product, that was the last slap in the face Ford is going to do to me.
    They do not care about Australian manufacturing or our jobs, instead they choose to support Thailand and rip us off. The focus should be trundling down the Broadmeadows assembly line now along side Falcon/Territory at very reasonable numbers, too late Ford I am sick and tied of your company attitude to the Australian public.
    V8 SuperCars….same goes for you mob as well, have supported your business since it started, I don’t bother watching now apart from the main 3 races, Bathurst, Phillip Island & Adelaide. Time for an organisation/s to bring out a competing BTCC type series with cars that are relevant these days e.g. Golf, Focus, Cruze, Civic, Mazda3, i30, Cerato etc. I was a V8 man but now I see the writing on the wall, i4 SuperCars now…..please, please we need proper racing again like the old days.

    • Phil

      Ummm, have you seen Focus sales in Australia lately? Or ever?Focus has never been a big or even a moderate seller here. Why would building it here have fixed anything? It would’ve made it worse.

      As if the V8 sillycars have anything to do with sales.

      • nickdl

        Supply issues from Germany. Have you seen Cruze sales lately? And the Focus is a much better car than the Cruze.

        • Phil

          Right so through three generations since Focus was introduced here in 2003, Focus has been having supply problems……..get real, Focus has always been a poor seller, they can’t possibly have had decade long supply problems.

          Plus I keep seeing Focus on special in the weekend papers - $19,990 driveaway…….the RRP is $21,990 + approx $2300 on road costs. Why would Ford dealers be offering $4000+ discounts on Focus if they didn’t have enough supply?

      • Crummydore

        I have researched Cruze, Elantra, Golf, Impreza and out of all of them the Focus is the one I have decided to purchase when the time comes.

        The Sport model is the pick of the bunch – Golf quality on the inside, contemporary modern design on the outside and a general feeling of quality all round.

        Imagine if all Ford models had this appeal – we wouldnt be having this forum discussion!

        Interesting times ahead for Broadmeadows.

        • MattP

          Agreed, after twelve years of Mercedes-Benz ownership I bought my first ever Ford six months ago, a (now superceded) Focus XR5 Turbo.  Brilliant car which I intend to keep for many years.  Built by Ford in Germany with a Swedish engine.  Sweeeeeet.

          • qikturbo

            I owned a XR5 Turbo.It was a great car!.I had it re-flashed,larger intercooler and Hi-flo cat installed….The car went like the clappers, it had a massive amount of torque..easily over 400nm!

    • AMG63

       Have to agree with your comments about the V8 Stupor cars.  30 years ago I’d wake up  special early to watch the old Hardie Ferrodo (AKA Bathurst),  and watch it thru to the end.  Could not be bothered now.   I know there are financial reasons for the current format but IMO its just boring. BTW I was a ford fan in those days. Loved the Holden Torana A9X too! 

  • Josef

    Better engines that is what they need.  Onlt good engines are the Focus but sales are not so good.

  • Free Hand Out’s

    Not to worry Ford fans the govt. will prop them up with OUR money no matter how pathetic they trade as a company. Gillard & Swan are probably on the phone to them right now asking how much they need.

    • F1MotoGP

       Looks like you NOT working at Ford and you do not care about Australia.

    • F1MotoGP

       If you read the Budget headlines lots of industry receives help from government.
      Agribusiness, Construction and engineering, Manufacturing, Tourism and transport so Why not something for Ford. If Ford is gone it would cost more for us on welfare payments.

      • Sydlocal

        …and on the other hand they are taking billions away from one of the Govt’s biggest employers… ;-)

  • Lachy

    It seems that Ford Australia has made some regrettable choices regarding their products (not building focus in Australia), promotion (the awful cane toad ad is a prime example), customer service… and yet to contrast, Holden is profitable.

    I would have loved to see how an Australian-built Focus would have turned out. Surely sales dropping by more than a third in one year cannot continue too much longer. 

    • Nasal Explorer

      From what I understand, Holden’s recently announced net profit was pretty much equal to the amount injected into the company by the Federal Government. Take that away and Holden is, at best, a break-even proposition if they are forced to rely on their own resources. I think both Holden and Ford are in deep doo-doo in this country and will remain so if they continue to try and manufacture here.

    • Ford Fairlane

      Agree about the advertising,look at the territory ad with the young 20 something girl talking about visiting all her facebook friends.
      I don’t think 20 something females would be in the market for a diesel  territory.
      Its aimed totally at the wrong market.
      Should be aimed at familys.

      • Sydlocal

        What about the snowboard dude towing ice up a mountain?! ;-)

        • Ford Fairlane

          Yea Syd,thats the other one that misses the target market.Snowboard riders would be in the market for a Forester or something along those lines.
          Who would want to tow a trailer of ice up a mountain anyway?Should have had a 35+ year old man towing a boat up a boat ramp.
          Ford marketing department would struggle to advertise a free cash giveaway.

          • Lyn

            Gotta disagree . I’m 28 with new bub and all the mums in my mothers group talk about these ads when talking about buying new cars. Facebook is just one of the slants I’ve seen with these ads. And I’m sure my husband and his mates would identify with the snowboarding and the stupid attempts with crushed ice to ride down a mountain.

    • Ford Fairlane

      I waiting to see the ford ad for the Fiesta aimed at gray nomads so they can tow a caravan.

  • Crummydore

    Its funny, no matter how you look at it Ford has just gone to the dogs ever since the AU…

    That will be looked upon in years to come as the moment when Ford threw it all away.

  • Ozibrat

    I guess this sortta shoots the sales argument in the foot of “ford sell less cars but at least they are profitable”

  • ex Ford owner

    Dear Ford,
    I was a loyal buyer, untill i discovered other marques who did the following:
     - Made cars people want to buy, that are stylish and have some degree of resale
    - Actually have decent dealers who WILL cover things under warranty (my warranty experiences with your dealers and by extension you were much worse than a trip to the dentist to have teeth pulled)
    - Have cars that don’t sound like they are falling to pieces after 6 months with rattles.
    Here’s a tip, look at what people are buying, well made cars, with a HUGE focus on fuel economy, and resale.  People are paying a premium to not buy your product.
    Make a stylish SUV (the territory is 8 years old, i wouldn’t call the new one a new model), with decent tech to achieve good economy. The old 2.7L diesel should have come out in 2005, not 2012.
    Keep the falcon, but drop a 2.5 or 3L Turbo diesel with 8 speed auto in it, it would achieve excellent economy, tow great and go like the clappers
    Do some bloody marketing and most importantly, fix your dealer network, they are HORRIBLE to deal with.

  • Robj

    1. They should have put the 2.7L diesel into Falcon (not turboboost 4). Waste of money….
    2. Bring back XR8.
    3. focus on improved qty and improved Interior.
    4. Improve customer experiance at dealers (sales & service). Very bad at Ford..
     

  • Leighh

    Makes you wonder how Holden made a “profit”  their cars are nowhere as good as Fords…….oh thats right Holden got way more handouts like the rest of the GM empire……..GM is sure a taxpayers moneypit!!

    • john

      They are all taxpayer money pits!

    • Dave S

      The reason Holden have a higher turnover and make a profit:

      Holden have a proper wagon, a V8 option and a LWB model. Look at all the sportswagons around or the VE’s with quad tips.

      • Steve766

        And all the VE’s with chevy badges on them LOL

        • chook

          theyre the owners (with chev badges) who think they have big egos and big dicks !!

    • Sydlocal

      Plus Holden have very good marketers that know how to promote their products to the public.

      • chook

        Yes , Fords marketing people are absolutely useless !!….but clearly many people cant make a decision on a brand without watching a well done TV advertisement . Why the hell dont they actually read a few reviews on a FG falcon , or territory …….and just in case most of you cant remember……….the local ford models do get quite good reports by the critics , and then they can make an informed decision . By the way , Shame on the Australian public for snubbing our local icons like this !!!…….many of you leaches out there deserve nothing but the centrelink queue  !! …I will from here on in my daily spending buy imported whatever i can and i  will play my part in putting as many other australians (outside local car manufacturing ) as possible out of work……….because over 90% of you deserve it !!

  • jg

    Well this patriotic Aussie will be buying his 3rd Falcon next year.  I support Aus industry (Telstra, CBA, Bonds, Qantas, Coles, Woollies – u name it).  My FG falcon has been near faultless and I will not be sending tens of thousands of dollars overseas.  Think I’ll try an EcoLPI G6E to stick it up the dirty diesels ;^)

    • Sydlocal

      I hope you are being sarcastic about Tel$tra, Bonds etc! ;-)

      • jg

        Telstra’s speed blows the others away.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

          True, but they aren’t doing much for the country.
          Also bonds closed their local manufacturing a few years ago, it’s all made in China, yet they still charge like it’s made here.

    • Robjh1

      “… and I will not be sending tens of thousands of dollars overseas”

      Last time I looked Ford was an American company, I think your money will be going wherever the big cheese’s back in Detroit decide.

      All this “I’m a patriotic Aussie .. blah blah blah” … you got to be kidding right ?

      • Trakjones05

        umm arent Holden owned by General Motors? the same general motors that held out their hands to the tune of billions of US Government money? I would doubt that all of holden sales funds would stay in Australia. As far as I am aware Ford took no money from the US govt and could be wrong here but did they take any from the Aussie govt?

        • chook

          Yes … GM in the US still owes the US government more than what GM shares are worth…..they did loan US tax dollars ….hence the nickname they have there ( Government Motors ) . Ford didnt seek any government loans as they had private loans secured to ride out the GFC , and the larger part of those loans are now repaid ……How it must irritate some people here that Ford in detroit is becoming financially healthy . Ford also happens to be the best selling brand in canada , england , ireland ,hungary and close second behind government motors in the USA .

      • chook

        Sure , Ford is foreign owned……..same as GMH and all others……but what you and others just dont seem to get is that is that they provide the employment here on their production line and panel plant , and as much as you like to play down these facts the dollars therefore stay here and some of it is re invested here . Its a pity however that the auto transmissions are now from germany and the ecoboost engine from spain . The people building the fords here are just as reliant on their job as you are on your job .!!   Will you now snub german transmissions and spanish engines because they find their way into some of our falcons . ??

  • adam

    $89.7m profit = exact amount of government handouts for the financial year. Of course it’s just a coincidence. Ford and holden are just like that poor John Blake (the Oz actor) seriously injured in a car crash and left a vegetable. Was on life support for many years and I bet if the poor guy could have talked he would have said “Kill Me Now”. These 2 companies in Australia at least have been on life support for around 6 years or so when the dive in large cars began to really take a hold and both look to me like they are dying for an excuse to just give up and leave but our governments continue to resist and pull the plug. If holden took the $1B they plan to pump into making cars and just invested it instead in a high interest bank account they would come close to the rate of return per year that their profit is. Actually they would be ahead because that profit is not really there just an identical (just a coincidence) amount to the handout for the year ended. Why bother? Because the government continues to deny the truth and pull the plug on the poor buggers who are dying to RIP!

    • JooberFPVGT

      Mate, as I said and other have said in the Ford profit thread, its actually better that the government gave handout to Holden as it did or to any other big name which can prove to the government they can turn things around in order to receive handouts.

      A) 3000 people out of the job = How much handouts for them?
      Ab) what is the cost to third party Local manufacturer / supplies relying on Holden as lifeblood 
      c) as Holden lives they’ll pay TAX on their revenue and those 3000 Pay INCOMETAX on they money they make

      So really the government got back their money if not in a year or two’s turnaround and save on the job loss that may have happened.

  • SamR

    Ford are doing everything wrong in my opinion.

    They are importing unreliable and expensive to service long term (but stylish) Euro cars that no one wants here. I bought a few Fords back in the day when the Laser was king, built here too. Nice car but I would never buy a Euro sourced Ford.

    The Falcon is too big and is only viable due to Govt sales and they buy it to prop it up.

  • Noel

    Several of the comments here are about the dealer network and I couldn’t agree more.  Honestly Ford, it does’t matter what you are selling, if the dealerships you are selling it through are terrible people won’t buy it.  Of course then there are the other issue related to product, we could all discuss that until the end of time.

    I think we all know where this will all end up, Ford will stop manufacturing cars in this country (countless reason why), is it good for the country! I would say no but is it inevitable! I’d say yes.  Unfortunately the rumour that Ford will stop manufacturing in Australia has too much momentum now, Nissan couldn’t stop it and neither could Mitsubishi.  Again we could debate the reasons until the end of time, wrong products, no diesel in the Falcon, bad marketing etc.

    A very sad day is coming for all of the Ford fans (I include myself as one of these btw). 

  • john

    Are the rumours true that Ford’s loss blew out because a certain Federal member who is a little Loosey Goosey with Other Peoples Money won’t pay the money because they claim for the last 5 years the car’s were being used by other people under their name?

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Its bleeding badly….

    • I wonder why…

      I am not suprised…

      Last year I bought a Ford Fiesta Zetec…from the getgo…I had problems with the car, oh also the fact it was missing the rear bonnet spoiler.  Spoke to the dealer I purchased from, all walked away for me to deal with Ford.  

      Rang thru to Ford customer care.  First lady I spoke with was extremely nice and helpful.  Told me she’ll have positive answers before the end of the week.

      I get a call at the end of the week…by someone else.  Tells me not much they can do as they can’t prove it never came with or without the spoiler.  I told her it’s ridiculous.  She tells me “I know alot more on these cars than you do.”  Does not listen to the story and basically hung up on me.   

      Never felt this angry.  I sold the car within the month and now driving a Toyota.  Hey it’s bloody bland…but it’s solid, reliable and the sales reps were excellent.  So much so that Toyota HO sent me survey forms to fill out to rate my experience.  

      My theory?  It’s not always about the car…but how customers are treated at the dealerships that count as well.

      I don’t feel sorry for Ford at all.  They are happy to sell the car but terrible afterservice from dealership and also Ford HO.  

      Never again Ford…I’ve learnt my lesson and it cost me abit of money to switch brands…but definately worth it. Never again…

      • Phil

        Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just buy the spoiler yourself than lose a huge amount of money in depreciation?
        A Fiesta without a spoiler still would be a far better car than any Toyota.

        No matter, Ford already got your money.

        • I am not suprised..

          True that Phil…but couldn’t stand driving the car everyday knowing…

          1. car rattles non – stop even over the smallest bump
          2. a pillar plastic covers towards the windscreen already warped from the sun
          3. rear spoiler quoted 1.5k fitted
          4. front passenger door when ajar car does not know it’s ajar..
          5. air con on…virtually no power…downshifting to 2nd or 3rd gear up a hill 

          I know I sound very picky…but I think I had an impression cars built in this day and age would be of better quality…

          So i just decided, rather than be annoyed with these 5 points…lose 2k and get a car i can live with everyday without thinking or experiencing the points mentioned above.

          What really got to me was the total disregard of understanding from Ford Oz.  Basically told me to rack off…now I don’t think anyone deserves that…and mind you…thruout the whole process never did i raise a voice nor show dissatisfaction!

          Ah well…you’re right..Ford did get my money…but not alot…and am now happy… ;-)

      • Lox

        I also have a Fiesta Zetec and have had no problems whatsover. None of my other falcons including an AU have ever had any problems with them. Our local service joint has also beeen (surprisingly) hassle free. There are dud dealers in any car dealer network.

        • I am not surprised

          That’s good!

          I hope I could have been in the same boat…and not writing these long whining replies..

          I really loved my zetec…handles beautifully and had a nice solid feel…
          I sometimes do miss it when i see a fiesta go by…

          I guess sometimes you get stuck with a lemon…

          End of the day…I work in a multinational company…one complaint or dissatisfaction from our customer…we never deal issues like the way ford did to me…i was so suprsied with their response…

          I miss it but glad that I have moved on from Ford..

          Not saying out of spite…but not only did they lose a relatively young customer (ahem…32 y.o) but my family is looking at upgrading two cars.
          None will be Ford.

      • Gibz

        Heard this type of story a lot..

        im on my second honda jazz now, and when this ones worn out, ill get number three.

        ive had 10 years of jazz ownership now, and still cannot get the smile off my face.

  • Doctor

    Well things don’t look too rosy for Ford Australia. If I worked there I’d be contemplating early retirement. Regarding a diesel Falcon, I just don’t see that it would sell in worthwhile numbers and I’m not sure that the other options are viable either. As I see it, the days of the large fleet car are just about over….

  • Troll No. 76

    So essentially what they have done, is carried forward tax costs from one FY to the next…why would you do this?? It just keeps accruing until such time as it has to be realised at some point with the end result as has been reported today. Seems like they need some new accountants as well as some new dealers and marketing people.

  • Falcon Freak

    I am a blue blood of more than 30 years. The FG XR6 is my sixth Falcon I have owned. But it becomes harder each year to justify my loyalty to the local product when they treat us with disdain. Poor product decisions, late to market, playing second fiddle to the opposition, not protecting the Falcon brand, losing the youth market and #$%@-all marketing has caused the current situation. The day Ford stops building Australian Falcons is the day I stop buying Fords.

    • Chris

      That may be not too far away….

  • Dave S

    This is also the result of very little support from Ford HQ in the US. Unlike Holden, Ford has no export opportunities for their car. The local Fords are very good, but Ford Australia are not allowed to sell their better car against the Mondeo or the Taurus.

    Lets hope For Australian jobs there is some good Ford news soon.

    • jg

      Well you cant blame them in a way, Americans are very patriotic and would naturally prefer to support their local jobs, etc.

      We in Australia are small fry and always will be unless we are determined to grow our population.  [As a result we dont call the shots in the auto industry]. Im pretty sure this continent can support 50 million people – or more!

      • Phil

        ahahaha, as if increasing the population would solve anything.

        Our population has increased by something like %8 in the last ten years. Was that trend reflected by a increase in our local auto industry? No – local car production declined by something like %50.

      • Daniel D

        I’m pretty sure it can’t support 50 million Dave, if we all want to eat and not have to share three to a bed that is. Not that much water and arid land around. Better try that experiment in Fiji and let us know how it goes.

        Anyway as everyone else has said. The dealer network is the most shoddy one out there and Ford Australia, simply don’t look after their customers. Saving a dollar today on a dodgy part or cheap finish that rusts, or cost cutting some feature or another, while dodging and weaving around responsibility for warranty and recalls, has been the only mantra at Ford Australia for years. Looked great on the spreadsheet until reality caught up with this behaviour.

        Of course that dollar saved costs them ten when disenfranchised customers then walk from the brand and rubbish the brand by recalling their experiences to work colleagues and friends. Ford and the dealers always acted like there was an inexhaustible supply of potential customers, so it didn’t really matter what they did to their current customers, but its turned out you can burn through your customer base and have no one left. Mazda is no doubt thankful for all the disenfranchised ex Ford customers though.

        In the end this loss is completely self inflicted by Ford and the dealers. The victims are Ford employees who will pay with their jobs.

      • Blitzkreig

        our population grows every week with illegal boat people.

        • Phil

          Yea and it seems that “JG” thinks a Ford dealer should open shop at Christmas island so that the illegal boat people can buy up on Falcoones.

          I mean after all, these people aren’t seeking asylum. All the want is the opportunity to buy a Ford Falcoone!

  • Nerf

    It wasn’t ALL down hill after the AU. They did design and build the Territory which was great. Thirsty but great. What a pity they didn’t see the trend coming and put those smarts into a local compact SUV.

    As with the AU – “Global design language” has alot to answer for. They must get a shiver at Broadmeadows every time the phone rings. “Hey Fellas –  it’s Chuck here from head office in Detroit.The Territory is great but I’m afraid your gonna have to take one for the team. We want you to take it out the back and repeatedly hit it with the ugly stick until it kinda looks like a Kluger and nothing in particular. OK? Thanks fellas! Don’t call us – we’ll call you.”

  • Leigh Jenkin

    If only cars where at prices similar to other markets, we would see more sales. New cars sold per head of population is far less in australia than UK or US, I would argue large cars are declining in preference due to pricing concerns as much as size.

  • ABCDEFG

    Ford is one of the few car companies that don’t have square wheels.

  • Dropbear

    I am torn at the moment. I am looking at a new car and the choices are the FG MkII XR6 and the Hyundai ix35. I would prefer the XR6 as it ticks the boxes for me but my dealings with Ford staff has been dreadful as per previous postings. Not to mention Hyundai offers 5 year warranties and Ford only 3 years with conditions. And don’t ask them to fix up the dropping front spoiler assembly on the BA/BF Xr series Falcon.

    • Rocket

      If you like driving the XR6 wins hands down.

    • BOSSCR

      A mate went from driving an E36 BMW to driving an ix35 because he wanted something reliable, cheap to run etc… but has assured me he will be passing it on to the wife and buying something more interesting to drive. At least the FG II XR6 will be more fun, it will look better and you won’t be conforming to the masses who a buying SUV’s. Probably more practical too. ix35′s are not big inside!

      • Dropbear

        Exactly. I have not followed the hordes flocking to the SUV. Yes they are cheaper to insure and register and will be more fuel effecient, but we already have the A to B car. I still want to enjoy my time on the road and not feel I have to compromise.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

          I think you already know what you want to be driving.
          If I were you I would just go to another Ford dealership. They can’t all be bad can they??

      • Rocket

        The wife wont be happy to hear that.

    • Phil

      A classic case of tunnel vision.

      All the offerings in todays market and your choices are just two cars – the ugly and ill handling Hyundai IX35 and the thirsty, impractical depreciation king Falcoone?

      Whats wrong with you?

      • chook

        So Phil………just because you say so , everyone else is wrong !!!

    • chook

      Theres good dealers and bad ones……mine was fine . Dont just pick the one closest to home !! .  Hyundai is for Koreans !!!,,   even the name Hyundai sounds and looks pathetic !! Last night I drove by a written off Hyundai on the roadside……its the best thing that happaned to it . !!

  • BOSSCR

    I drive an FG G6E, I will be updating to another FG II within the next 6 months. I love it. No problems with build quality, great value for money, economical, great to drive, looks good – what more could I want? A V8 option without going FPV, but that’s about it. I haven’t had bad experiences with any Ford dealer either and definitely nowhere near as bad as I experienced with a Mitsub dealer a few years back.

    The Ford Marketing Dept needs a shake up. The “Lion Tamer” ad was the last memorable ad I can remember….

    • resale hurts

      might be helpful to take a tub of vaseline with you at trade in time, you’ll need when you find out how much a ford dealer will offer you on a used ford

    • Phil

      “What more could I want” ……..????????

      If you love the FG Falcoone and you already have one….why would you “update” to another FG Falcoone?

      • gibz

        because australia has this idiotic. “my car has 100 thousand kms, i MUST upgrade now” mentality.

        drive it till its dead, youll save more money!

        • Phil

          You said a few comments above that you’re on your 2nd Jazz in 10 years and was already thinking about your 3rd………

          What’s going on there? Do you wear your Jazz out after just a few years? Or you don’t like practicing what you preach about saving money?

      • chook

        Maybe he likes the latest one as they are released !!……..or he is leasing !!!….or he wants to go from G6E to XR ,.probably that part of it Phil is none of your business .

  • SteveR

    I am not sure what is worse, Holden selling bottom of the barrel Korean rubbish or Ford selling Euro trouble.

    I suppose at least the Ford stuff drives well, it will make you feel a little better when things start going wrong and costing an arm and a leg to fix.

    Sorry Ford and Holden not buying either.

    • F1MotoGP

      Ford Focus is a very good car and very good engines too.

  • Rocket

    Hopefully 2016 will see a smaller RWD Falcon and Mustang manufactured in OZ for the RHD markets. The current Falcon is a great car to drive and after driving some of the SUV crap on the market it will only be a matter of time before people realise they have made the wrong choice. People tow caravans and boats with proper 4WDs now so the Falcon can afford to shrink a bit and attract the enthusiast.

  • Rocket

    Hopefully 2016 will see a new smaller RWD Falcon and Mustang built in OZ for the Global RHD markets. Exports are need to survive long term and higher margins in these vehicles would make it profitable.

  • Austrav

    I’m on to my 4th Ford after a Mitsubishi and a Subaru and I have never had a problem with any Ford dealer or service/ warranty. 3 different Ford dealerships. I guess its a random thing. After sales has always been good too! Ford do need to pick up on marketing thou! MARKET THAT AWESOME 4ECOBOOST FALCON BLUE MEN!

    • Gibz

      they arent listening mate.

      they will NEVER advertise a falcon.

    • Phil

      What are they supposed to say about Ecoboost?

      “it’s a 2.0 four cylinder but we expect you to pay as much to buy it as the 4.0 6″ or “it’s slower than the 4.0 6 which you can get for the same money.”

      “it uses 8.1L100km in the base model, however that rises to 8.5L100km in the fractionally heavier models – so it’s very sensitive to any extra weight.”

      “to achieve 8.18.5L100km you must put PREMIUM fuel in it, which brings the overall fuel cost to about the same as 9.9L100km of E10 fuel.”

      “the ecoboost engine is fully imported all the way from SPAIN so it’s not very Australian.”

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

        According to the green vehicle guide, those consumptions are on 91 octane. The power numbers are using 95.
        The difference in economy is probably due to the combination of extra equipment, wider tyres and the aero drag from the rear spoiler. 
        For someone with such a strong cultural cringe I thought you’d be happy to see the Falcon with a small, boosted, European 4 cylinder engine. Instead you criticise it for not being Australian enough???
        We get it, you don’t like local cars and you don’t like sedans.

        • scatman

          Karl your monobrow is huge, do you own a pizza shop

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

    Ford Australia is so badly run, I think it’s being directly sabotaged by Detroit to shut down manufacturing in Australia. I know it sounds far fetched, but their ridiculous marketing and product planning decisions keep bringing me to this conclusion.
    There’s still time to get Ford Aus back on track, I sincerely hope they do, because if they don’t many good, talented people are going to lose their jobs. All those who winge about ‘their tax dollars supporting local manufacturing’ will quickly realise why it was such a good investment when thousands of tax paying employees suddenly become centrelink recipients. Don’t know what you’ve got until it’s gone.

    • car whiz

      But these workers are apparantly highly skilled.  How could they possibly be out of work for too long.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

        There’s only so many jobs. Employment doesn’t fall out of the sky just because of your qualifications. Please tell me where the 1,000 odd automotive designers and engineers are going to be employed? Holden, Ford and Toyota are the only companies that need that type of expertise.

  • counting down

    after watching 2 different friends try to trade in their falcons on new falcons it was obvious one of the reasons they are failing so badly.
    If the ford dealers will only offer insulting low trade ins on their own product why would any customer be stupid enough to buy another one?

    • jg

      Trade-ins are for mugs. Sell privately first, then go buy…unless youre strapped for time. And do you expect the dealers to provide their service for free?  Cmon man, theyve got to feed their own families dont they?

      • Gibz

        Best advice EVER!

  • Chris

    When I read the headlines today I immediately started worrying for the future of all those workers whose jobs are now on the line.  Ford is hanging on by a thread so God knows how they are going to survive this, this will not go down well at head office in America at a time when they are teetering on the brink and to post a record loss like this, it is not looking good and we can look forward to more huge jobs losses at Ford, and Melbourne can hardly afford this with all the manufacturing closures and job losses this year - very tough times ahead.
    Maybe all these sacked workers should pack up and go west where all the jobs and money is, Perth is absolutely booming now.

    • Des

      I think that you’ll find that “head office” caused much of this. The delayed tax payments were to help Ford through the GFC – now that they’re recording billions in profits again, it’s time to pay it off. That is the price for not just going bankrupt and leaning on the Govt. like GM and Chrysler.

    • Phil

      Why did you only start worrying now? Falcoone sales have been in steep decline for the last decade.

      It is sad when anyone loses their job, but its not like Ford workers haven’t had enough warning. They would’ve already known for years that their jobs were in danger and should have a backup plan in place.

  • Black Harry

    Where the hell are the Ford ECOLPI’s????? I am in WA and have not seen one add for them anywhere,[Ford probably considers WA to be a non event] they would have to be the number one choice for fleet buyers,taxis and people who want to save money on fuel costs , perhaps they are too good

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

      Nope, it’s the same in Melbourne. Makes you wonder…

    • Gibz

      same Aus wide

      plenty of adds for fiesta, terrirory, ranger,  but NOTHING for their best car!!

  • Gibz

    i had been saying for a couple years now, that ford want the falcon to go away and die. They develop ecolpi and ecoboost falcons ( some of the best cars EVER made here ) and dont tell anyone about them.  The only damage ford is suffering is BRAIN DAMAGE!

    i was actually wrong. Ford wants all non imported fords to die. They are pretending to try and manufacture here, and deliberately failing so they can say, “hey.. we tried”

    wanna make some profits back up ford ( nah, i know you dont, but just humor me )

    ADVERTISE THE FALCON

    mum and dad average looking for a new car, doesnt even know what an ecolpi or ecoboost is.. EFFING WELL TELL THEM YOU TWITS!

    • BK

      @Gibz…. So you tell me how will advertising a Falcon fix the problem because we all know in Oz its been around over 50 yrs. We all know by now that a new falcon comes out every couple of yrs. If you really want to buy a falcon go to your local ford dealer. I do that all the time. Its time for change and its happenin in the whole world.

      • Shak

        I think what he was trying to say is that yes people know the Falcon is in Oz, but barely anyone knows about the leaps and bounds it has made in recent times. To most consumers, the Falcon is still a large, heavy, thirsty car. In fact, a Falcon of today can get you lower running costs than some small cars (LPi), or performance similar to a six, with the running costs of a four (Ecoboost). I guarantee if you were to ask most consumers if they had heard of the Ecoboost Falcon without mentioning it was a 4cyl, they would have no idea what you were talking about.

        • BK

          drop the price of the falcon and watch em all buy one. Thats what will get em to buy it.

        • Legnab

          Leaps and bounds dream on , still fat heavy and thirsty and no rear hatch .

          Its a dino car , no private buyer is remotely interested if they have an education .

          But the biggest turn off is the depreciation factor , only fools would buy one worth zilch as you wave goodbye to the smiling salesman.

    • Phil

      Gibz,

      Try having a look in your weekend paper. Countless pages of Falcoones advertised for $10-15,000 below RRP. It’s been the case for years now.

      Furthermore, Falcoone has been a strong ‘figurehead’ in Australian motoring for 50 years. Do you really think anyone shopping around for a new car won’t know Falcoone exists?
      Also, given that Falcoone was previous a huge seller for many years, many many people have obviously owned one in the past. So they definately know Falcoone exists – but do they want to buy another one? No.
      As for “mum and dad average looking for a new car”, todays familys expect more from their cars than just a impractical four door sedan.

      Ecolpi fixes problems with fuel costs but at the same time reduces Falcoones already compromised practicality.
      Ecoboost is a waste of time – 8.1L/8.5L100km of PREMIUM fuel is barely any cheaper to fuel than 9.9L of E10 and it’s no cheaper to purchase the car over the six either.

      • BK

        50+ yrs of falcons and people think  advertising the product is to blame. I dont know where people get this idea from.

  • gibz

    ford does NOT want to manfacture here, it will never happen. by 2016 every ford sold here will be imported.

  • Mr Hzgts

    ford  rip see you later im off to usa to buy my fords they have been screwing us for years look what a shelby goes for to the price of a xr8 then go sell ya xr8 a year later   xf were the best cars they couldnt keep up with the demand 3 eight hour shifts six days a week now look 290 million down what a waste  my first car 1981 xy so im blue all the way but would you put a million plus a week for the last three years down the drain in a company that didnt make profit yes the  managment and dealers  should be taken out the front publicly flogged at broadie i love to see that !!!!! rip ford holden and toyota as well our car industry is gone 

    • mick

      XFs were not the best falcon made. while reliable they where never the best car. just look at the panels and bloody door handles!!!! very poor design compared too the jap cars at the time. I’d be looking at the AU series 2 and 3 for best falcon. what the AU lacked in looks it made up for in realibillty

  • Gibwater

    The Falcon has been with us since 1960.I think everyone who’s ever wanted to own one has done so.Now they’re pining for something else. Its also percieved as a car only cabbies and your nanna drives.Ford seriously need a new mainstream car with a new name,smaller size and updated styling.They need to chase the private buyer more with this car,and tell taxi companies they don’t want their business. As for towing,regular cars have given way to SUV’s for this role,so the Territory is already on hand for that market. And no more cars that look they were designed by former Sangyyong employees!! 

  • Roy S

    Yes the Falcon is badly sold by Ford. I have a G6E and it gets 8.5L/100km around town. It’s the best Falcon I’ve ever owned by a couple of hundred country miles. The Eco Boost would probably sell IF marketed properly,ie: if people new it existed.. But maybe Detroit does want our local Falcon to fail so they can have their global platform car image, and if the Falcon does go no doubt the yanky made Taurus will be chucked onto the Australian market. Ford dealers DO need to lift their game and not insult people such as I experienced when I went to buy some touch up paint for my car. A salesman asked if my car was the turbo variant. When I said no his reply was ” just an ordinary G6E then! with a look of your just a nobody on his face.  

  • Roy S

    Yes the Falcon is badly sold by Ford. I have a G6E and it gets 8.5L/100km around town. It’s the best Falcon I’ve ever owned by a couple of hundred country miles. The Eco Boost would probably sell IF marketed properly,ie: if people new it existed.. But maybe Detroit does want our local Falcon to fail so they can have their global platform car image, and if the Falcon does go no doubt the yanky made Taurus will be chucked onto the Australian market. Ford dealers DO need to lift their game and not insult people such as I experienced when I went to buy some touch up paint for my car. A salesman asked if my car was the turbo variant. When I said no his reply was ” just an ordinary G6E then! with a look of your just a nobody on his face.