Police crack down on car enthusiasts
7 May, 2008
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The latest victim of the tough new anti-hoon laws is a classic Ford Falcon GT valued at $200,000 which has been permanently confiscated from its owner – the crime? No it wasn’t speeding and no one was hurt – it was the driver’s second burnout offense.
Overkill is really the only word which comes to mind when a burnout results in what is effectively a $200,000 fine, especially when it took a full blown police operation to issue it.
Police descended on car enthusiast gatherings in New South Wales on Sunday night as part of Operation Torque which resulted in 72 vehicles being searched, 39 tickets and 18 vehicle impoundments.
The operation involved undercover officers stalking car enthusiast gatherings with hidden cameras for months to document alleged offenses and organise the impending raid – a scenario perhaps better implemented in preventing more serious crimes.
Don’t think that “car enthusiast” is a protective euphemism for the offenders either – the police themselves use this term in their public statements.
“Operation Torque was established after ongoing concerns from the community about the behavior of car enthusiasts in the Port Botany, La Parouse and Brighton Le Sands areas,”
Understandably, those involved descended on the Roads and Traffic Authority impound lot to protest the police action where authorities responded by calling out the riot squad despite no reports of violence.
Car confiscation is becoming a big business here in Australia, with the Victorian government generating over $1 million in net revenue in less than a year from 3,437 auctioned vehicles.
This figure is set to rise with the confiscated Ford Falcon GT to be sold at police auction. Another GT, three Holden Commodores, a Holden Utility, Holden Torana and a Nissan 200SX will be held for a minimum of three months for violating anti-hoon statutes.
Are these anti-hoon laws or anti-enthusiast laws? Voice your opinion by leaving a comment below and let local Government know what they can do to better facilitate motoring enthusiasts.
George Skentzos
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May 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
Describing the alledged “hoons” as enthusiasts is just going to put more of the public off-side with the police when it comes to modified cars and genuine enthusiasts.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
It doesnt matter if the car is worth $200 or $200,000. Second offence, so bad luck.Public roads are no place for burnouts. End of story.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Ha ha ha ha……poor GT owner, I bet that was hard to explain to the wife “honey, I kinda lost the $200k car we brought”.
I offer no sympathy to these clowns that won’t spend $40 to go to the local test and tune…..now, what police auction will that GT be at???
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I agree with the others…it is his own fault. I have been to too many car events that are ruined by some mindless try hard who leaves car shows doing burnouts. Making is difficult for organizers to secure venues for following years.
Keep it on the track and as has been mentioned already tracks days are cheap and fun.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
People are getting stabbed, raped, houses and cars and even businesses are being broken in to, why don’t we spend this time and effort and find those culprits?
Is it not profitable? Did I miss something? Did justice become a profitable enterprise?
if some fool wants to do a burn out, let him, jesus christ we have bigger problems!
Traffic Police, you guys are a serious joke to the entire country. I would be ashamed to call myself a traffic police.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Not a classic collector car that I would like to buy for $200k if its known to have been flogged in that sort of way…
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Robert C has hit it on the head! Chasing down enthusiasts who shouldn’t be doing burn outs on public streets (race tracks or drag strips are the right place for that) is considerably easier and far more profitable than catching car thieves which costs the community hundreds of millions of dollars each year and help inflate your insurance premiums!
When was the last time you got back stolen goods? Is it even worth reporting stolen property these days? I’m not sure the police lift a finger when a robbery report is filed.
Not sure whose fault this all is!
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Whatever happened to the separation of powers?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
And what are they spending the money on? If they spent money building better and more accessible tracks (and also new tracks) the number of offenses would diminish considerably, but then so would their revenue, so I guess they wouldn’t do it. Proof that the Police is not fighting hoons for the safety of other road users, but to enrich their own pockets!!
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I agree with Dlr1 – if they’re stupid enough to be doing burnouts on public roads and have been warned before, take the car off them.
I hear people doing burnouts on public roads near my place through the night most nights – eventually these hoons will get the message and the community benefits by the income raised from the sale of confiscated cars until that message gets through.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
It’s difficult to understand which part of “don’t do it again or you’ll lose your car” these numnuts don’t get.
And yes, I abhor the police state Australia has become. It’s just as bad as the Communist countries endured for many years.
Dob in a litterbug – they’ll be convicted without trial.
Dob in a Hoon – they’ll be convicted without trial.
Get caught on a Revenue Camera – you’ll be convicted without trial.
A teenager at school that says “my dad touched me” (because he/she got a bit of a whack for insolence) will result in the Father being in court with no hope of defending himself.
etc
etc
Australia used to be a “free” country, free from governments with their hands in our pockets and their nose in our family business – not any more. The chase for the almighty dollar is rampant at all levels – Federal, State, Local. In Victoria wee now even have a dyke headmistress telling parents what their kids can and can’t watch on TV.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Well said Robert C.
What other crimes have a $200,000 fine? It mightn’t have been right, but lets see a time that fits the crime.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Thats crap, does doing a burnout kill people? i agree the streets are not the place for it and i know its his second offence but thats way to harsh, it doesnt matter if it’s a $200 vl or $200,000 gt its an overkill, they should fine him hold the car for a while suspend licence but NOT sell his car.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Selling something that doesn’t belong to you for a profit is stealing and it’s wrong, no matter the reason. Instead, they should just keep the car impounded for a longer period of time and charge the owner of the car an impound/storage fee. If someone gets done and has their car auctioned by the Police, what’s stopping them from getting another car (if they can afford it) and doing silly things again?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
This police force is an absolute joke!
They’re happy to put in the effort to stop people doing burnouts and stop “car hoons” (which i feel is derogatory) but thats about it, it feels as though it’s Police vs Car enthusiests instead of trying to work together and in the rare occasions the Police try, it’s with the more mature enthusiest (all agreeing and 99% law abiding).
Now when Kings Cross had people shooting up on the street and leaving needles all over the place, they opened up a shoot up shop, a safe place for junkies to shoot up as well as keeping the area clean, while controversial, not bad in theory.
So tell me, why can’t the NSW government (or any other government for that matter) create an area where car enthuisests can go and just hang out with out causing inconvenience to shop keepers and young families out on a Friday and Saturday night. Have the odd police patrol go through just so they know it covered by police.
I remeber the good old days where Bondi used to be packed with cars, the atmosphere was electric, there isn’t any thing like it any more. you use to see Hot Rods and big V8s out on a saturday night…..i haven’t seen a Hot Rod on the night streets in years.
Yeah there were tools, but tell me once place where there aren’t tools. They’re at the Pub, at the night clubs, the shopping centres, hell, even at the posh resturants.
So instead of trying to kill off the culture, which you won’t, why can’t they supply a venue where it can stay alive?
Why??? to much effort and no money can be made from it.
Besides, don’t police make enough money from Fines? Where does all the money go??? Flash “look at me” Police cars.
It’s a joke, but i ain’t laughing.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
If I had a GT id more then likely drop a skid here and there.
For those of you on your high horses, get real. That is what amounts to a 200k fine.
Whens the last time someone died from a burnout?
Whens the last time someone was a victim of a home invasion, or raped, or bashed etc etc?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
GhisGT, I believe the answer to your question is Terrorism. Maybe they should bypass the local court system if “Hooning” is such an horrific crime and settle it in the High court…That wouldnt be a waste of taxpayers money would it? Or maybe they can give the confiscated cars to the Sudanese refugees?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Reckless1 is absolutely spot on.
Vote:How many times have the Government (at all levels) labelled different types of behaviour as “Un-Australian” when it suits their hidden agenda and propaganda. This apalling abuse of power is absolutely Un-Australian by every conceivable definition. They are our servants and we’ve let them go too far, it’s time for Australians to take the power back…
May 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
stupid another way for the police to make money, doesn’t solve one thing.
just like them making mixed drinks more expensive , kids will just turn to drugs even more now what a joke.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
I concur with most people’s comments.
Vote:And we are becoming a police state, In Newcastle on ANZAC Day, all hotels in town were closed at 5:30 PM.
Answers to many of society’s problems are very difficult to find but blind pandering to conservative elements is not the only answer.
The diggers who lost their lives, good brave young lads, would cringe if this is the result to their sacrifice.
May 7th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Is a tad harsh although I wouldn’t do burnouts in a car like this given it’s value and age but that’s just me.
I think u would have to have witnessed what had happened to pass judgment.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Bugger.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I don’t think a burnout on public roads is a really bright thing to do, but most of the time I see it happening is a night time in some quiet industrial area.
Vote:When are we going to see this sort of crack down on drunk and drugged drivers? How often do you hear of someone being caught for drink driving 3, 4, 5 times! They might think twice about it if they had their car confiscated each time.
I would rather share the road with a car spinning its wheels than heading down a 2 lane road with the oncoming car being driven by someone that can’t even stand up…..
May 7th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
i dont condone stupidity on a public road, but why a classic muscle ,why not some of these rice burners.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
seriously, australia is the worst country to be with fast/nice cars-the cops just wont leave u alone..gezz
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
It’s such a silly philosophy of Australian motoring yet again. Out of negligent, irresponsible ‘research,’ P-platers are not allowed to drive new cars that have turbo. For them, turbo is speed, which is obviously not true. Now, here’s another stereotypical approach. Car enthusiasts are thought to be rich brats spending Ferrari money on an otherwise P.O.C. ‘Limited’ Torana or Falcon GT. They are also thought to be the abusive ones on the road, whereas you can see a ar$e of a driver in, say, a Hyundai Excel.
It’s definitely appalling how the road stuff works these days. You are trained not to drive responsibly, but rather to simply pass a licence test and do devil-may-care sh!t afterwards. Police target drinkers way too much and let those driving while using a mobile get away. Finally, there’s the terminology with bogus meanings.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
If it was mine, I would forcefully take it back! Even if it meant I had to put it in a shipping container and hide it for 10 years. There is no way I could let a GT like that be sold off.
I think these laws could easily be abused/misused or misenterpreted by the people enforcing them.
Does the owner get any of the sale proceeds?
Vote:If not, how is that legal? Selling assets acquired using proceeds from major crime is one things, but selling a car because someone did a burn out is a total imbalance of the law!!!
May 7th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Come on get real, 90% of drivers who call themselves enthusiasts are just uskilled Hoons. Anyone who does potetially dangerous driving behaviour is breaking the law. I would put my house on the fact that the majority on this site who who have a licence have not done a advaced driving course. My job required me to do so ad as such I do but I do’t go oto public roads doig burnouts, doughnuts etc. I leave it for a controlled environment at a track such as Calder. Someone who claimed he was a enthusiast killed my cousin as a result of street behaviour. Do the right thing on the road and you wont get caught ad having the car impounded and sold. I would like to see the cars crushed.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
What a fkn joke. I dont condone burnouts, and other anti social and dangerous behavior on public roads, but to confiscate a $200,000 is extremely severe. So if a person in a $300 Datsun ute, performs the same offense as the guy in the $200,000 GT, and both cars get confiscated, where is the equality in that. One guy loses a days work, and the other losesa lifetime of savings. a very flawed system.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Skids rock!
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
I think they should confiscate all Falcons…. they are death traps
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
This country is turning into a prison.
Citizens terrorised by police, state sponsored theft is of-course legalised, killing, stabbing and robbing people on the street is just fine, but doing a burnout can cost some people 200K.
What a joke Australia is turning into.We can have cops stalking dudes doing burnouts, while 3 blocks away a person gets stabbed for a few bucks and cops take 30mins to arrive to the scene of the crime, real crime.
Then you have all these so-called law-abiding citizens saying that it is car owners faults for losing his 200k vehicle, just for doing a burnout. I personally reckon all these police supprters are just pathetic robots, unable to engage their own brains, and think logically about this for a minute, unable to comprehend that australia is turning into a police state where everything goes if it is a law, or if police do it.
Let us think about that for a minute, burnout can cost you $200,000, and that is justifiable. No wonder Australia’s law is turning into a joke.
I have a hypothetical question to all these law supporters: if Australia passes a law that says Jews can be all killed would you still support the law. See, just because something is a law does not make it right, or logical, or does it mean that police is right to enforce that law.
I wonder how long it will take for the first cop to copp a bullet or a knifing when they try to confiscate another persons pride and joy.
It is no wonder I am considering moving away from this country.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
That is 4 kidneys worth of fine – not sure we are in balance here.
More places to do this stuff would mean not everyone has to be a clone/clown.
Still someone should be looking at whether this is good for our country or not – big picture and stop trying to solve it one lucky/unlucky confiscation at a time.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
hey TP but these are good looking death traps and any old car is one and if worst came to worst i would fell safer in an old big falcon and an old crappy Toyota.
the truth is some cops target people in old cars I’ve had cop acusses me of doing burnouts in the escort but I’ve just turned around and said this car wont do the idiot.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Haha Escort I was only fishing for a response.
I think this anto-hoon BS is becoming a JOKE!!! Ive been pulled over for acclerating harder then usual in a CAMRY!! Makes you wander why the even have accerelators in cars these days.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
As a car enthusiast, I object to being lumped into the same category as car hoons. Having said that, why aren’t the government interested in educating learner drivers about car control, instead of only teaching them the basics and putting so much emphasis on knowing the road rules?
Sure, road rules are important, but so is car control. You can know all the road rules back to front, but if you lose control of your car on a public road and have no idea how to possibly react to minimise the carnage – then the road rules are worth nothing.
Making skidpans, tracks and advanced driving courses accessible and affordable for every new driver would be a damn good start!
And if some guys get a thrill out of doing burnouts, then give them a venue to do so – off the street. Until then, expect them to continue doing burnouts on public streets – denying the testosterone induced bravado fueling such behaviour is stupid – and at least they aren’t out beating each other up or committing serious crimes.
As for confiscating and selling a $200k car for punishment – how is that fair?? Isn’t that what fines are for – to keep the punishment for disregarding the law the same for each person?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I think they should ban little know it all geeks like you TP as your comments are absurd and stupid.
Like how many other websites let someone abuse one of its owners and still be left on here? Do you remember the dreggs boy…..Dingo abusing so bad Alborz! That to me says something of stats right here on CARADVICE and getting more hits.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
TP you have just given yourself away as being the biggest tw8t on this website, I was beginning to have a mild level of respect for you. Plonker
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Naughytius rack off… your one of the mose uselesss posters here; Dingo is very informative, I often back up my thoughts with external sources. What exactly do you do apart from whinge?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I cant tolerate or accept my last statement as that to me is double dutch!
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
No Name I dont want your respect, you fall into the same category as NM. Werent you the guy who said 25% mor fuel to make diesel was a myth… and then ignored the evidence I provided? Idiot.
Back on topic…
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
TP….WAKE UP TO YOURSELF YOU AFTERBIRTH GEEK
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
With respect to the Hooners. They deserve what they get but an untrialed fine of $200K is way unfair. Surely if they can afford an expensive car then the fees to bang it round a race track occasionally are nothing in comparison.
Vote:Generally in agreement with the sensible comments above other than TP’s pathetic indulgences.
May 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
You rarely back up your comments and believe your own BS. You and 2 others on here destroy this site and that is common knowledge.
Facts are geek freak, you are the most dumbest vain commenter on here as whenever you comment, you cause a rackus with your snotty useless comments as you create BS and arguments. On a scale from 1 to 100 for taking you serious geek freak………..your a 0!
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Simple answer to not losing a $200,000 car. Don’t break the law ad you wont lose your $200,000 car. Same with speeders, don’t break the speed limit and you won’t get caught by speed cameras. Car enthusiasts wont break the law so if you do break the law you are a hoon, simple as that.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Sigh.
It doesn’t matter what kind of car it was, a $200,000 or a $200 one. The simple fact is that this dope knew the risks he was taking in it and that it was illegal. It just goes to show how big a tool he is.
Also consider that this person, in the future, may have decided to advance from burnouts to illegal street racing and ended up killing someone.
That is also a ridiculous question to pose on whether these laws are anti-hoon or anti-enthusiast. Only those who are breaking the law by behaving like idiots have something to worry about.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.
As for an off-street venue for car lovers to gather to do this stuff how many of you here have written to your MP expressing your views in a rational manner.
What about CarAdvice organising a petition or proposal on this issue that everyone can comment on or add their name too? I’d be happy to stick my name to it.
As for the Police specifically targeting these drivers condiser this.
Vote:1. What the drivers are doing is illegal and potentially dangerous i.e burnouts, racing etc.
2. There is a definite public outcry against this type of behaviour from these drivers.
3. It is politicised so that means the pollies tell the Police brass to do something about it so therefore they do. The Police on the frontline are only following orders from above and above that.
May 7th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
What a joke the road law is in australia.
Has anyone seen “Minority Report”. So, we treat speeding over a pathetically slow speed limits, or doing a burnout as a possible murder, since possibly these so called hoons can possibly kill a person in the future.
What, has the government turned into the future-tellers. Will they charge me with a speeding offence just because my car can go more than 40km/h. I could after all exceed the speed limit.
Grumps, keep on sighing for as long as you want to you fagget, but before you sigh you can bend over and take it up the popper by your beloved cops and politicians and judges.
Bottom line is: these laws, and many other traffic laws are un-justifiable, and just because they are laws does not make them right. It does not make them a law in my heart.
They are a politicians knee-jerk reactions to the media pressure, media pressure is hysterical, and just because some public servant wants to keep his job does give them the right to destroy other people lives, and hard earned vehicles confiscated.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Funny how there is no action against car manufacturers building more and more powerful cars which which clearly flouts ‘drive me fast’. Its all about the money, if the Government were serious about anti hooning they would pose limits on the performance of the cars that are built/brought in.
From all the crimes, pitching fines on motorists are an easy and quick revenue scheme.
Though I agree with the peoples statements above, you get what you asked for…
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
If you are told once not to hit your head hard with a hammer and you do thats curiosity, if you do it again thats dumb.
Vote:If you have $200,000 to throw around at a car buy somthing cheap and go dritfing, or goto a track day with it but given if you follow ford, holden what ever have respect for what you drive.
I know I would!
May 7th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
Let me vent some more:
What law do we have to punish people that are “AT FAULT” at an accident. Well, there is no law to punish the dopes that are at fault during an accident. We all know that even a minor accident is caused by:
a)lack of driving skills
b)complete disregard for other motorists due to person distracted/careless state of mind.
OK, these people that cause at fault accident, even a minor bumper hit should be punished by. Massive fines, 12-24 months loss of licences etc.
But wait, they only have to pay excess to their insurance companies and that is it. So where is the care for the other motorists there. Where is the care for a driver that just got slammed, or T-boned by the other driver. Well, it is non-existant. Why, well because it is not economically feasible to have 10% of so called law abiding citizens punished just bacuse they caused an accident.
Don’t give me the shyte that says many drivers at fault get fined by the cops. The number of driver that get fined by the cops after the accident is quite minor, 0.1%. What about the other 99.9%. Well, nothing happens.
Well, here lies the problem, since these so called law abiding citizens are quite often causing death and destruction on our roads, and they escape scot-free, while politicians punish guys/gals that like to go 5km/h over the speed limit, or that like to spin a wheel for 5secs since it is revenue convenient, and it got them almost 1000 million dollars in 2007, and it seems like they are doing something in front of the weasel media journos.
Traffic laws suck, and it is not helping anybody’s safety.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
car enthusiast, think not…
Looser comes to mind.
Some of these comments are just plain stupid…
For all those of you who condon or perform these circus acts on our public roads, you still don’t get it do you!!!. The message here cannot get any clearer.
Keep it up, they will take your car…
If this behaviour continues on our roads it will only lead to further tougher laws, further heavy handed enforcement which we all don’t want to see. As for all those other police state, terroists, take back the power comments, ‘what nonsense’.
This guy was just a show off and most likely a compelete moron. Mad Max culture is for the films not our public roads.
Bottom line, Very Nice car. Idiot owner.
Now,
Were can I go to firstly inspect & bid for this alleged genuine GT … It looks like it needs to be in the network of genunie law abiding motor enshusiasts…
or perhaps we should let the guy who wants to hide it in a container for ten years have it.. Hey Alec, put your brain in there with it too..
Klaus
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
ive had this idea for a long time that i would purchase a bit of land somewhere, and turn it into a recreation spot for these problematic so called hoons.
i say charge like 10 buck a car entry and have some sort of snack shop to weed the money out of them for buying burgers and drinks.
set up some sort of fenced area where they can safely do burnouts to impress their mates etc.
you could even have some sort of a skid pan for them to learn on.
i reckon thats whats missing anyway.
looking for investors…………….
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Genuine law abiding motor enthusiast = what a waste of a perfectly good bhp and style.
Vote:Perfectly good law abiding citizens are morons that kiss cops arse, and drive slow. Pfffff, pathetic loosers, not car enthusiasts.
May 7th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
We have the biggest car and bike enthusiast population in the world, in %, and we have the worst facilities in the world, and the toughest, dumbest traffic laws.
What we need is a national motorsport complex where population could use their vehicles to their max. We need Aussie Nurburgring, open 350days a year (bar some public holidays) where you can come, pay and drive.
WE NEED FACILITIES, AND WE NEED THEM NOW.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
How many people you think would use a facility that would be similar to Nurburgring, located centrally between Syd and Melb.
Family weekends away, 2 days of driving on a biggest racetrack in the world. Track would be for both the cars and bikes. Speed freaks heaven, and we maybe even have a big 250mx250m skip pad for these loonies wanting to destroy their perfectly good tyres.
What number you guys think we are talking here.
I know that I would do a minimum of 5-8 days on that type of track.
My guess is that you could pull 25,000 people per year, to do a minimum of 4 days per year, from 18 to 60 years old, bikes and cars.
What do you guys think?
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I have to agree with the words of wisdom from good old Grumps. These morons know the laws and they know the penalties yet they continue to push the envelope. Well suffer in your jocks all of you ROFLMAO. As for the wnkr with the Falcon – just how big a tool does one have to be taking a 200k car out on the streets to do burnouts??? Way to protect your investment holmes. For that alone you deserve to lose the car. Then you are so feeble minded you actually get your jollies doing burnouts. I am guessing you are a brain surgeon eh? Oooh wow how tuff are you pushing your foot down hard and fast on the accelerator to make your wheels spin. I think I can speak for most of the others here in saluting you like a god. We would be happy to wish for a quarter of the immense skill and talent you possess to be able to spin the wheels of your car (well you used to be able to anyway).
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
This sort of extremist enforcement could potentially cause hoons to start using cheaper, older and less safe cars so that if their cars are confiscated, they wont be out of pocket as much. If it is meant to discourage hoons, and improve road safety / reduce fatalities, then there is a risk of doing the opposite. I doubt taking their cars will stop the die hard hoons, it will just irritate them.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
wow this truely is overkill. I would think that the owner of the gt would have failed the attitude test and probally given the copper a bit of an ear full. even still this is a rediculous punishment.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
how is it fair for some one who robs a bank or a celebrity to steal and get off Scott free but a guy pops a wheelie has to pay 200,000 if the cops tried to take my car they would literally have to take it from me full stop the hole taking peoples cars off them and selling them is a lode of bull crap
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
What a poorly executed police initiative! BTW how bada$$ is TP in his Camry!
Too mean for the street while he beats his meat!
Hydraulics jump’n up n down, while he slaps some titties around!
A real ghetto hustler with a 4″ muffla
Watch out Toyota-Pimp the fuzz is gonna bust ya!
Either that or you love Toyota and drive a Camry.
Getting back on topic it looks like enthusiasts are becoming extinct because of clueless burocracy.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Furthermore, People who drive irresponsibly ; i.e with a reckless disregard for others deserve to be penalised- It doesn’t take Blind Freddy to ascertain this isnt a justifiable consequence for a mere burnout; But I digress as this has all been covered and the sycophantic government will not react logically. Take solice in the fact that those who can responsibly enojy a spot of spirited driving can do so most of the time without the police watching= provided you show judgement and dont endanger others. Anybody who thinks an empty road in a safe car being thoroughly enjoyed(within reason) is outrageous needs a head adjustment. It’s a real pandora’s box and the greater masses are too ignorant to comprehend the finer details ; so we are ultimately doomed.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
We are not doomed, but we need a leader, and we need a church, of a sort. We need a new, big cathedral of speed.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Yep Poison my Camry is bad arse… unlike its Falcon counterparks, it actually runs like day 1 many many many kms down the track.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
my escort runs like day 1 and its 30 years old and all original
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I hope the owner of the Ford GT appeals the decision and gets it overturned. To all the tools in here who are supporting the police, you don’t even know what the facts are yet you get your jollies from seeing someone lose the equivalent of $200k? Get a life!
I mean read the article, it says that the police were watching and then swooped on an “enthusiast gathering”. For all you know the burnout could have been done in an empty open area where there was no danger to anyone. This is equivalent to entrapment.
The state of policing in this country is disgusting. As others have said, anything where they can make some money is prioritised while other more important matters that don’t generate as much revenue are paid much less attention to or ignored.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
What is with the attitude of the powers that be in this country? You don’t need a turbo, V8, supercharged car or even a high powered V6 to go fast. You can go plenty fast in the modern diesel which is totally exempt form these P plate restrictions. But no, P platers are FORCED into smaller, cheaper cars that are physically less safe. They grip the road less and handle terrible and are putting young drivers at risk. At least in a powerful car they the structural reinforcement to provide a safe passenger cell and crumple zones as well as a multitude of other pre and post accident safety measures.
Wake up Australia, you are putting your youngest, most inexperienced drivers in unsafe and dangerous cars.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Prumm last i checked most small cars handle better than bigger cars its the one thing all my mates say about the escort but i agree with the p plater restrictions i mean im not meant to drive my 5.0L vk but i can drive my escort witch is quicker has more power and is lighter and is only got a cam head work and extractors it was the same with the vb it had a Xu1 202 in it with a 5 speed when i got the vk all i could say about it was dam this is slow.
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
surely you can somehow take it to court.
If you are about to lose 200K anyways, might as well spend the extra 10K fighting for it..
I know it is stupid that the owner didnt pay attention..
but confiscating it for a longer period of time rather than getting it “taken away” from you is a bit harsh.
But if the guy can afford 200K “weekend” toy…. surely its not that big of a deal… well… assuming he didnt take a loan for it and he probably is a millionaire… but still…
Vote:May 7th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
TP Says: May 7th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Haha Escort I was only fishing for a response.
I think this anto-hoon BS is becoming a JOKE!!! Ive been pulled over for acclerating harder then usual in a CAMRY!! Makes you wander why the even have accerelators in cars these days.
TP…………….learn English as your diatribe deranged Toyotophilia makes no sense and besides you are so pumped up as you cannot spell and its reasons they have LAW for geeks like you – know it all nothings and experts at zilch!
And you claim to be at Uni…..LOL
counterpark
anto-hoon
wander
accerelators (not to be outdone on how stupid he is as later spells……..acclerating)
uselesss
how does a car run down track uneducated geek???
Like nobody takes you serious internet geek Toyotophilia freak as your basically scamming yourself as you only attempt to prove your worth cutting and pasteing exerpts willy nilly and you take it all as gospel. The only thing gospel of you is your sitting on your hands….is it warm yet!
TP……….TOYOTOPHILIA GEEK FREAK
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 12:04 am
I to Maximus have noticed TP enticements of late. He rarely comments on anything but the Ford, Holden and Toyota pages. When he does its usually his inane pethetic dribble with no real relevant comments. He clearly live in Toyotaland. Now I’m not knocking Toyota like he does Holden and Ford and everything else non-toyota but these Toyotaphiles are soooo blinkered its unbeliveable.
Vote:I posted Toyota recalls under the Hilux blog yesterday, In a period of 2 or 3 years they recalled an equivilent total years production of about a million cars.
I noticed on a website automallusa.com/toyota/recall that in the USA nearly all models in all yars of manufacture have recall noticed made. Of course the Toytaphiles can’t see this cos they are just plain blinkered.
Its not Toyota that pi55es me its the shortsightedness of the moron followers.
May 8th, 2008 at 12:25 am
NO NAME……………yep mate you are truly right.
TP and DINGO – legends in there own sandpit at kindergarten.
At the end of the day I support all cars as its about change and nobody on here can clearly say……….every car from say carmaker ‘A’ is at top of heap. Toyota are solid and not brilliant. VW to me are making case as leaning towards being a bigger player. Hyundai and Kia alliance is also making concerted effort. Ford to me is dark horse. I have scoured the concept cars and sadly in true fashion Toyota is rarely sighted – aside from Scion, Subbie project and one other. Suprise Suprise! Ford I have found a heap and they are nailing designs in all honesty and I have come across heaps of svelte hotties. You see NO NAME – when all is said and done……………..I like Hyundai i30 ahead of Corolla or Ford offerings. I like the new Falcon ahead of Commodore and Aurion just behind Falcon. I like Astra ahead of Ford offerings, I like Hyundai iMax and iLoad ahead of others. For someone to be obsessed on one car maker (and this applies to everyone( is wrong as!
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Inclined to agree with you again Naughty M. Ford Focus is a worthy challenger, certainly in diesel form, I hired one year or so ago and apart from size its a great car. I just wish Ford would spend a bit more on the trim and especially carpets. Loop piles are a bugger to get sand out of. For decent carpet try an Audi.
Vote:The Astra is another nice looker to. See your point on the i30, the warranties for Kia and Hyundai are up there with it. good for piece of mind.
Its all down to personal taste at the end of the day.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:44 am
All you “do gooders” have never laid a set in your life? Probably because you’ve grown up wearing dresses! While breaking the law should be punished by a fine and or loss of points, taking someone car over is utter B.S. No wonder we as a society are becoming more and more violent and snap at the drop of a hat. Next thing the Governemnt will be telling us when we can take a crap too. Speed humps, spped cameras, non-smoking laws, dont do this, can’t do that. For F@#$K sake they may as well start banning cars and footy and anything else that isn’t GAY! This shit only is accepted in the States and the UK. Any Government tries this sht in any other country and they’ll be thrown out! Only us fairy’s in this country accept this crap!
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 7:38 am
What a bunch of poofters. Why can’t the pigs be like every one else and appreciate a GT Falcon doing a burnout? Its not every day you get to see that, and it takes a real enthusiast to actually take their prized possession out of the garage and actually drive it.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 7:39 am
JOHN…………Iam a supporter of cracking down oh hoon heads. Too many gay wads w*nk over cars always playing with them, driving full on and spend too much time tossing over a car. I see plenty of them and its about time you little fairies live in 2008 instead of stomping around wet between the ears like a wound up Hitler doing burnouts and laying a set as you so pansily point out. Take Andrew M’s tip as – except get vacant land with no neighbours within about 5kms bulls roar and drive your car freak boy and wuss it up you ham!
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 7:45 am
You people love to do burnouts and carry on……would you like it if your next door neighbour played Mozart full blast at 2am. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You would ring the police even!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing wrong with tinkering and having a lap track – just dont involve others with the disruption. There are rules in place for all………dont like it buy the block of land with nobody around or wake up as asking for trouble.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 9:25 am
Firstly car enthusiasts are people who buy classic cars are ones that look after their car and don’t do things which would either damage their car or cost unnecesary avoidable costs as they want their car to be at their best at shows. Car enthusiasts are NOT those who show off burning of Rubber or speed. Those people are just show offs and hoons. My cousin used to take his show car 350cc EH Holden to Canberra from Melbourne for shows. He respected his car as do all enthuiasts who want to protect their investment. Burnouts unless done in a safe environment like any type of movement in a 1 tonne vehicle can end in tragedy.
Vote:fBTVQ38DETT, is your only way of defense to call people who dont agree with you a faggett like you did to grumps?
We may not agree with all the laws but they are there to be obeyed not disobeyed. Their have been many deaths and injuries caused by showoffs ad that includes deaths at those car meets where hoons have lost control and have hit and killed pedestrians. As metioned my cousin was killed by one. You probably condone people who may be dui at say .05. Only a little bit over, I can drive perfectly safe. 10 minutes later he has accidently run a red light and killed a family of 5 due to a lack of judgement and reflexes to brake quickly enough to stop in time.
No Excuses regardless of car cost being $200 or $20,000. You deserve to lose it if you don’t learn from a mistake.
May 8th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Well, I agree that the “car enthusiast” should cop a fine. I also agree that there are far too many drivers out there (and at times I admit to this too) who do something without thinking.
But to confiscate the vehicle!!! It doesn’t matter if the car is worth $1 or $100,000,000! Slap a big fine of say $1500 on the driver, revoke his license for 6 months without right of appeal, and put him/her into community service for a year part time e.g. visiting the rehab ward in a major hospital for road vehicle accident victims.
Don’t take the vehicle. All this does is give the Police a ‘bully persona’. It’s like a big school kid taking small kids canteen money. Poor form!
And sorry Frosty, but “car enthusiasts” are not just into classic cars. Don’t assume that those who enjoy new models are cashed up kids who don’t care about their car. Some maybe but not all.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 11:04 am
You can actually see the people here that have never done a burn-out.
Until you try it, you just don’t get the feeling of adrenaline it brings.
At the end of the day, nothing is being done, just lots of argueing like 15yr old girls.
It is time for action, to go the the Police and Governments and say something has to be done differently. A petition won’t do. May be a rally or something (the walking to government house type).
Vote:But we have to take action.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:23 am
Am as a big a car enthusiast as the others on this forum but when will people realize that dangerous driving kills.
I am the father of a 5mth old and 17mth old and really feel for this family (see below)
http://www.news.com.au/story/0.....-2,00.html
need I say more…….
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Am as a big a car enthusiast as the others on this forum but when will people realize that dangerous driving kills.
I am the father of a 5mth old and 17mth old and really feel for this family (see below)
http://www.news.com.au/story/0.....-2,00.html
need I say more.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 11:35 am
When will people learn driving dangerously can kill. I love driving fast as much as the next person but keep real driving on the track. As a father of two babies I really feel for this family. (see below)
“A MAN driving a car that hit and killed a baby outside a Perth home fled the scene before he was tackled and held by neighbours, it was reported today.
Police said they were tonight questioning a 24-year-old man who had been seen speeding before he clipped a car driven by an elderly woman and spun out of control, hitting the child and her mother.” – news.com.au April 18, 2008
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Another example is the guy who smashed his old mans Ferrari In Batman Avenue outside Rod Laver Arena. No doubt showing off. Probably spun his wheels at Punt Road Lights started speeding and collected a pole.
Vote:If you have the need to do burnouts, doughnuts or test the speed of your vehicle go to a track. How would you feel if in your adrennilin rush whilst doing a burnout you don’t see someone crossing the road as a result of the smoke and collided with them when you did move. Yes maybe the Pedestrian was doing the wrong thing but as a motor vehicle driver you need to be aware of your surroudings. The best part of defensive driving is of being aware of your environment around you, reading others facial expressions or their mannerisms and being aware the unpredictable things do happen. I used to fulfil my obsession with speed when 20 years younger was to race my xu1 around a raceway down near Avalon.
May 8th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
About time the Rozzers did something right. I’m tired of these imbersiles doing burnouts. We all have a passion for cars, so seriously if anyone supports the abuse of a $200,000 hystoric motor car is a moron. We have terrific events like Targa Tasmania and Classic Adelaide where enthusiasts can safeley access the performance of these great cars rather than abuse their potential. Obviously there is also the very serious public safety aspect.I believe the measures being taken to control this issue is entireley warranted.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
The loss of a $200k car for a 2nd burnout??? I’m all for tougher laws, but really? $1000 fine would be enough.
Vote:Australias Justice system is a joke!
May 8th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
A $1000 fine to the owner of a $200,000 car is nothing…
if fine’s are the answer, perhaps a fine of a minimum of $1500 or the confiscation of the car if it’s unroadworthy or 5% the value of the car…
That way you punish the rich and the poor somewhat equally..
Despite this, the guy had a warning…so “what part of don’t do it again or we’ll confiscate the car” did he not understand?
Vote:It’s his own stupid fault, just like speeders.. don’t speed, don’t get caught by the “revenue cameras”, similarly, don’t do burnouts on public roads, don’t lose your car..it’s pretty straight forward!!
May 8th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Killing somebody, from a static burnout? Please!! You have a much greater chance of endangering sombodys life by doing 10km/h over the posted speed limit, which I’m sure most of you do-gooders have done once for twice in your lives.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
I think the whole ‘Don’t speed, dont get caught’ is a total bullsh1t arguement. Blatently low and irregular speed limits are everywhere and can cause more danger than good, especially on country roads where fatigue kicks in.
Hey, you can watch your speedo like a hawk, making sure you don’t do 1km/h over the speedlimit. I’ll stick to watching the road, where all the action is ACTUALLY happening.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Im guessing the family of the 12 mth old baby killed over here would put a much higher price of driving like a hoon. What price to you put of the safety of your family and friends?
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Didn’t a queensland guy kill or seriously hurt people during a static burnout display at some summernats type event in the US?
Static burnouts can be dangerous
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Gtcortina: So can driving down the street in a Prius…
And that accident was a drag car in the street, attempting a high speed power burnout. Hardly static
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Oh ok fair enough.
Of course driving down the street in Prius can kill someone but it is all about minimizing the risks.
People here will obviously never agree, but I think those who like to do burnouts on the street to show off the mates or for the “thrill” are really the lowest of the low when they put themselves before the safety of the general public.
I agree that if there is no one else around it could be far less dangerous but that would be hard to police and for the courts to enforce. A blacket ban on burnouts on public streets is the easiest and safest way to go IMHO.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Every one talks crap.
People who say go to the track and do it, What track exactly???
In Sydney there is the Eastern creek complex. Drag racing is on wed and fri nights, finishes at about 10:30pm. It gets so packed there that if you get there at 5:30pm your lucky to get 3 passes in, as for Eastern creek raceway, if you don’t have a Cams lic you can’t drive on it, plus the cost is way over the top for a young driver, and as for Oran Park, the only raceway in Sydney that actually puts in effort for driver training is being ploughed for houses and it’s not being replaced.
So then, excactly where can i race my Mildly tweaked Corolla and drive like a tool so i can actually learn from my mistakes with out being kicked out????
F***ing no where.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
JET12V Says
So then, excactly where can i race my Mildly tweaked Corolla and drive like a tool so i can actually learn from my mistakes with out being kicked out????
You won’t learn from a mistake if it kills you. Do’t give me the wont happen to me male cowpoo because you cannot guarantee that.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I don,t think it will ever be stopped,young guys testosterone,cars,mates,peer pressure and sometimes wrong attitudes and a distinct lack of respect by some of our youth due to no more discipline in our schools . I was lucky to be a farm boy 4000 acres dirt roads motorcross bikes and paddock bashers.Had a ball never killed anyone and learnt alot about car control . I have worked in the motor industry for 14 years and have completed the full BMW driver training programm as well as Ian Luffs driving courses and learned very early in my life it cannot be stopped it just needs to be managed and in a controlled environment. An accesible affordable complex subsidised by the government seems to tick the most boxes for all involved . Let them have their fun no probs ….just not on our roads.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Frosty, frosty, my dear frosty. You seem like an intelligent man, so yeah I’ll explain you a thing of two what i support.
First I am all for BOC 0.00. Never drink and drive. RULE ONE. Same as with banning mobile calls/sms while driving and many other forms of activities that cause impaired driving.
Second, I support guys and gals that actually know how to drive, or actually improve their driving skills. I do not support your statement that says a “car enthusiast” is a person that takes care of his car, and only takes it to shows. No, that person is a show-off, latte racer and a fagget.
The real car enthusiast will spend $$$ and time, and nerves, to make his car go better, stop better, handle better. The REAL car enthusiast will also spin his wheel, every now and then. Why the hell not – Governments support smoking companies, so a lil bit more smoke won’t do nobody no harm ;).
I also support intelligent people and logical thinking. Outright supporting the pollies and the cops, and outright supporting the laws is a nonsense, and yeah only faggets and automatons will support laws without actually engaging their brains to think about it for a minute.
OK, drink and drive and kill a person – yeah, loss of licence/fine, probably some suspended sentence.
Careless drive, swerve around the round, not indicate, not paying any bloody attention while driving, or run a red light – cause an accident and kill someone, what, they may copp a $1000 and that’s it.
Hit a motorcycle rider, kill him and then say you did not see him – yeah, same a fine, nothing else.
This one is my favourite – bicycle rider running a red light and killing elderly crossing the road = $200 fine.
Now you tell me that burnout is the worst thing in the universe. It’s a joke. It’s political correctness gone beyond the joke.Here we have 15 cops not preventing the offence from occuring. They are observing the offence occuring and then they pounce. Sorry, the real police is there to prevent crime, not to observe and entrap. Don’t give me the “making an example” sulk story. If they really think it’s that dangerous to warrant a financial penalty of 200K then they would have prevented it.
Funny how pollies and cops only job is revenue raising and looking good if front of the army of media that support and help them to be voted into the office every few years by a bunch of automatons that never use their brains, or actually think about the laws and the law enforcement principles.
PS: And then we come to the facilities – Calder park drags. Good luck if you can get more than 3 runs for the night, good luck. It’s chockers. Burnout comps, same, chockers.
Vote:Track days – good luck with getting anywhere with that. You need to finish a phd before they allow you to drive on some small, short goat track, and then they rip you off with a massive entry fee.
Looks like you need to be a millionaire, buy a Lambo, join the GT series and then, only then you can enjoy cars in Australia.
May 8th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
why does everyone think that the owner of the gt is rich? my father owns a gt he,s certainly not rich but had bought the car 30 odd years ago when they were affordable
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Too bad so sad. You break the rules you run the risk. You do it again then you are a stupid. I just wish they would have a 2 strikes and you’re out law for non-australian citizens that break the law. I bet they would pick up their game quickly after a couple have been deported.
Vote:Live by our rules or leave. If you don’t like the rules – vote em out!
May 8th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
As soon as you get into a car you are in a lethal weapon. One mild mistake and the cosequences can be deadly regardless of what you do in a car. Yes I remember the Hell’s ride fatal and yes the driver who killed my cousin copped a fine and temporary loss of licence. The judges need a reality check for most crimes. At least the Vic Government are now changing push bike laws to include culpable riding causing death or serious injury instead of just having a fine for running a red light.
Our road toll is still way too high and I support any law that can potetially save lives. That includes any potentially dangerous behaviour on public roads. What people need to do is getting Sandown, Avalon raceway and other raceways to open on a Friday, Saturday from say 9am until 3am. With the extra hours they could get more people attending thus lowering entry price as with longer hours their overheads could still be covered while charging users a reasonable price.
Vote:Every death and serious injury or even a injury in generak costs the states heaps of money in medical and loss of productivity. Laws are there to protect the states money. You look at how many road deaths are preventable. If heavy fines and confiscation of ones pride and joy prevents even one serious accident then its worth it not just for the States but also Victims family. Less dangerous driving means less accidents means less funds required by T.A.C claims which also means less people getting fined or losing their car and more money being used to fix roads. Its a wi win situation if people obey laws put in to protect the state and its people.
May 8th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
as for track days can’t comment on moat of the country but in WA you join the WA Sporting Car Club ($220 per year – includes entry as spectator to all events all year, incl V8s which almost pays for the membership by itself) then you pay $60 per ‘tuning day’ where you are likely to run out of petrol and tyres before you run out of time. You are only taken off the track so the open wheelers can run and sometimes they run race car sessions (hour or so at a time) and street reged cars (again an hour or so per session).
This is really good value. I know the deal is even better in Tassie where as long as you are a member of a CAMS club you can hire Baskerville of Symmons Plains and sometimes you may even have it by yourself all day (again around $60).
I know this because I have used track days in both states and it really is a great way to blow out the cobwebs (yours and your cars).
Perhaps things arent as easy in other states….im not sure.
Vote:May 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Picture this someone intentionally tries to beat a red light and in the process crashes into a family of 4. Killing 1 and injuring the others. He (or she) gets a 1 year cancelation of licence and maybe a suspended jail sentence at best.
Someone does a burnout and they lose their car?!
We already had enough laws before to deal with the wrong doers. We just needed more enforcement
What’s stopping the police specifically targeting someone (for whatever reason) and eventually confiscating their vehicle?
Vote:May 9th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Sorry folks, but too bad too sad!!!
Do burnouts kill people? Well, the simple answer is yes.
The young DH who lived at the end of my street did just that. Doing a burnout and donuts on the street, lost control and crashed into a parked car. Parked car shunted forward, crushing the child standing in front of the car and breaking the legs of the mother as they were waiting to cross the road. It happened along time ago, long before the anti-hoon legislation and before street drags, etc became all the rage. I think he had a Monaro or GTS. But, it doesn’t matter what the car is. If someone isn’t responsible enough to drive by the rules, why let them drive!!! Taking away someone’s licence does nothing. If they are prepared to break road laws, why not just drive without a licence?
BTW, for those who don’t know, the police are broken up into specific branches. The traffic police only do traffic duties, which includes attending fatal crashes, not just handing out speeding tickets (I have a friend in the traffic police in Melbourne).
Maybe the “hoons” should be made to attend a few fatal accidents. It may make them change their mind about their driving behaviour.
Vote:May 10th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Did the owner of the 200k GT plead not guilty and seek to have the case reviewed? If he didn’t he should have, if he did it was the court that made the decision.
Vote:Lesson 1, do your burnouts in the old Datsun not the GT!
May 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
It’s not as if he has actually lost $200k. What many of you do not realise is that when the Government sells the cars they confiscate, they pay off any banks, outstanding fines, etc first, then keep anything which remains (not usually anything left). Who gives a sh*t how much the cars worth? He knew the consequences if he got caught, and continued to do the wrong thing.
Quote: “Are these anti-hoon laws or anti-enthusiast laws?”
George Skentzos, you are a joke. Fact is, it is illegal, these idiots knew the consequences, and got caught. Nothing else to it. Car enthusiasts have nothing to do with it. Sh*thouse journalism at its best. Might be worth sending a resume to Today Tonight, as I’m sure they would be interested in your work!
Vote:May 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Iam with Jbot and rules are rules and if you do go against the rules you will get caught!
We all know the rules…..so lets abide by them. If you wanna do burnouts, go in the remote parts way out of town where people and drivers are not present. The road is for driving safe on….and not like a modern day terrorising bar arsed possessed driver. If your gunna flaunt it and do daredevil stuff…………………you will get caught. Simple! So dont do it!
Vote:May 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
It amazes me NM to see how many people are complaining about the punishment when these consequences would have been spelled out to him after his first offence!
Vote:May 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Agree wholeheartedly JBot……rules are rules and if you break them no matter who you are, that person pays the consequence and price! All I will say is after first offence; the penny should of dropped loud….hard….and sunk in. The only person to blame here is driver who carried on like he is at speedway on a public road. Hell Iam all for a good time…..but that goes hand in hand with the reality that all must follow; that is taking responsibility for ones actions. I do think the wording of this story is taken out of context on how it should be as I feel it is poorly worded!
Vote:May 10th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Like anything in life………..remove emotion out of equation and it comes back to one central issue; the driver and his reckless actions! So now he pays the price and will learn the very hard way! And this is the only path that should be gone down……kinda of like dope; that should never be legalised and the law with cracking down on car enthusiasts also must not wane!
Vote:May 11th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Till a year or so ago Australia did have a version of the Nurburgring it was called the NOrthern Territory. they had unlimited speed limits now its 130km/hr. People would come from allround to drive their supercars 200, 300km/hr +
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
BIG JIM, thank you, i thought no one would mention the Northern Territory, and speaking of the Norhern Territory, since this 130 km, speed limit was introduced (begining of 2007) You would think that death rates, and crashes have at least halved. but guess what by the end of 2007, car crashes and car crash fatalities in the Northern Territory have increased by 20 %. oh quick lets make a even more strict speed limit at 80 km, lol you’d think that would change something, but it probably wont. cause half the causes of crashes is probably speed limits, as in a car you spend more time watching the DAMNED SPEEDO instead of the ROAD AHEAD.
and as for the people saying, that he should of paid $40 and went to the track. Track days are only on specific dates, and track days arn’t on 24 hours. And another thing what if this person lived far in the country side, or on the other side of the state say, 500km or 1000 km from where the nearest track is located. Why should he spend so much money and time getting to the track just to do 1 burnout and piss off home.
OK NOW to answer the question, first, A car enthusiast is a person who, loves cars, has cars as a hobby, a person with a passion, an amazement for cars, a person who as a kid saw brocky, or johnson driving round, bathurst and thought i wana do that one day.
You wana know what i think off all this its just ridiculous, i mean a man spends his whole life saving up $$$200 000, to buy a car that is rare, a car he loves, a car that is a piece of Australian History, and all of this is gone, because he broke one boring ass written law, that some politician thought of while driving home in his toyota prius.
You see the word(s) FREEDOM, or free-country mean nothing these days, their is no such thing as FREEDOM, their is never gona be such thing as WORLD PEACE. Y because a bunch of no-bodies in government(s) (WORLD WIDE) think they have a right to tell us how to live, and what is right and wrong.
LOL i mean i won’t be too surprised if in 30,40, or 50 yrs time we (all humans) rn’t allowed to watch tv after 7pm, because its illegal, or that we rn’t alowed to be outdors afta dusk, or that we rn’t allowed to sneeze, couch, or breath in public, because its illegal.
LOL FEEL FRE TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING I JUST SAID. (if u can be bothered to read the whole thing)
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
CAR-ENTHUSIAST, I agree with everything you said.
Another problem in Australia with the too low speed limits and long distances with relatively unchanging terrain is fatigue. European scientists have proven that when speed limits go down fatigue related crashes go up, thats why they have speed unlimited autobahns.
This would be the factor behind the NT s crash increase statistics.
Vote:May 21st, 2008 at 12:16 am
BIG JIM, yeah i guess ur right, i mean most ppl just set the cruise control on highways, sit their following the road, then just slowly start getting drowsy, loose consentration, then SHIT HAppens and their in a hospital bed.
and wen it comes to low speed limits, some are. and wat is really annoying is when their is like 4 different within 5 to 10 km of travel on the same road, i mean 1 minute 80, then down to 60, then 70, then 90, i mean for crying out loud how hard can it be to set 1 speed limit on a 5 or 10km stretch of the same road
Vote:July 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Thats retarded just like the losers who are against burnouts
Vote:August 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
This is so stupid, can’t believe they can do that….although they are bloody just crusing them in NZ, no auction just a cube at the end….boooooooooohooooooooooo,
Vote:August 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
its prooving more and more that todays police farce are nothing more then revenue raisers for the governments. at this point atleast we can still say that if you dont do burnouts on the streets the pigs should leave you alone
Vote:January 7th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
n they think that taking away a $200,000 car is going to stop the hoons??
Vote:first thing they have no right to sell such a car if it aint theirs. If anything it should just
be inpounded for like 2 months or something
You see other idiots doin burnouts n skids n their $h!t box of a car
but noo the cops dont go for them
they always go for the ones that look better
because they then can get some satifaction that they have put away a hot car, n not the real hoon
absolutly stup!d i reakon!!
January 7th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
now lets see the proof of the burn out i lost my car for 3 months for a 1km long burn out in a standard 95 falcon with a blown head gasket with my wife in the car 12 days over due to give birth to my second born son
now to any one that can do a burn out at all for more the 1 meter in the same car in the same condition lets see it
Vote:its not the hoons its the corrupt police just picking out cars that look like they could be a hoon and fining then for it i did manage to get my car back after paying $200 to receive the video footage and case was dropped when the could not produce it but still i did have no car to take my wife in to hospital to give birth so now i know they make all this hoon shit up and bye the way it was my first ever driving offense
January 8th, 2009 at 2:14 am
The really sad part is, Most of you who say “sucked in” he shouldn’t have done it..
I guarantee most of you have done the very same thing at one time or another, The only difference is you didn’t get caught.
So before you pass judgment, go down to your local police station and tell them to take your car, because you too have broken this very unjust law at some point and deserve the very same punishment, then you will have the right to pass your petty judgment on others.
Call me a hoon if you like but I too would love to get out in my car car and shred a set of tires, hey I payed for them, And I also pay for the very tarmac I want to shred them on.
but do you know what would be better?
If there was a controlled environment to do it in…
What happened to prevention before cure?
A government funded site would get a very large majority of these people off the public roads and onto the track.
In my town of Wollongong we almost had that option until whingers like you lot protested against it, because of the noise and “the unsavory types” So don’t you dare criticize, because people like you are the reason it’s done on the streets..
So call me a hoon if you want
‘Cause I’m F*cking Proud Of IT”
now pull you nose out and get back to you knitting..
Vote:January 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
wat happens when you see a unmarked police car spin the wheels with smoke coming of the tyres to chase some one for speeding in the other direction can i give chase and pull them over when they stop the car for speeding and say why u spin your wheels there was no need for it so i as a tax payer am confiscating your car NO I AM NOT ALOUD TO AM I ,he gets away with it doesnt he yes he does,as far as i am concerned if i ever get caught spinning wheels for some reason i want video footage of my actual car doing it,and if you dont have it or u carnt prove it u can get stuffed or u take it becuase the police get a big head doing it,makes them look big, we are going to court and i want evidence this hoon law is just stupid and unfair
Vote:January 8th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Andrew,
Vote:the police arent even ALOUD to pull you over for smoking the wheels.
They are how ever ALLOWED to pull you over smoking the wheels.
its all a funny area to me
January 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
or do you mean its the sirens that go A-LOUD???
Vote:because they are ALOUD to
January 8th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
lol yeah i no i couldn’t correct it when i posted it
Vote:January 26th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
I want to know what happens when police take off quick, or turn around hard and squeal the tyres, do they confiscate their wife……heck, watching TV would have you belive every police car turns around in a cloud of smoke…
This is just a complete abuse of legislative power…..but being devils advocate says second time….do the time.
I for one do not believe that authorities should have the rights to confiscate cars without concrete proof that it was committed ie: video evidence, including driver in case.
What happens if I let my son drive my GT and he does a skid….
Vote:January 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Everyone is quick to say “take it to the track for $20″. What doesn’t make it to the media is that if you dare to actually drive your street registered modified car to the track, you will get bent over by the same people who tell you to take it to the track. My license is currently suspended because last time I went to the drags I “allegedly” broke the speed limit by 40kph infront of a marked police car. It didn’t happen.
Vote:January 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Expensive lesson, and probably not fitting to the “crime”. Revenue is hiding under the guise of safety and hazard reduction. For the kill joys in blue, go do some real police work. As for the “serves him right” people, go yell at the tv when a current affair is on.
Vote:February 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Thats a joke give the guy back his GT sure take his car off him for 28days but selling it is just downright rude!!!We are tax payers we pay for the roads so we should be able too do skids on them!
Vote:May 25th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Next thing will be noise control confiscating your house if you have too many parties or too much loud noise.
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