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Toyota to unveil TRD HiLux in Brisbane

By George Skentzos |

Unlike the TRD Aurion which has received a mixed reception as a result of its enormous power being sent to the wrong wheels, the TRD HiLux promises to be Toyota’s savior when it makes its debut at the Brisbane International Motor Show.

Toyota to unveil TRD HiLux in Brisbane

Queensland manager Sean Hanley has said the TRD HiLux has completed its final stage of testing and would begin production late February for its market debut in the second quarter of 2008.

“HiLux is now the best-selling vehicle in Queensland, so it is fitting for Queensland motorists to be the first to see the final production version of the TRD-enhanced model,” Mr Hanley said.

The standard HiLux, revered for its rugged styling, unbreakable reputation and excellent off-road credentials is sure to benefit from the transplanted supercharger coupled with its proven four-wheel drive system.

TRD HiLux

Toyota has not yet disclosed the official numbers for the supercharged TRD HiLux, although expect more than a 25 per cent gain over the standard 175kW and torque to jump to well over 400Nm.


 
  • Andrew M

    it strikes me as odd that toyota would include such a vehicle in what they are hoping to turn into a performance recognised brand (TRD)

    yes torque steer wont be a problem as with the TRD Aurion but what about the body roll?

    also the article said it would be AWD. is that right? do you mean 4wd?
    the performance would be even worse in 4WD low range. also what gear box will they put with it? it wouldnt want to be geared anywhere near as low as it is currently.

    also the price of the aurion doubled when they threw a blower on it so would this mean we are looking at a 100K+ hilux?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    In all fairness this looks the goods, rugged, ballsy, shit hot……………………love that car!!!! And so did Jeremy Clarkson when the Topgear gang absolutely hammered the living daylights out of the Hilux in the Artic being the first car to go from the outermost limits of the Artic to the North Pole (Polar Express episode think it was called). That was the most brutal driving I have seen Jeremy hammer out to really test a vehicle in a sheer battle of surviving ultimate punishment.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Its a bit double dutch on one hand to talk about performance cars elsewhere; and then question another brand for doing it. In this case more so as it wont be massive kw above standard (around 40kw over and above the huge 175kw of the standard car) and Iam sure it will be addressed correctly in respect to limiting roll, beefing up the gearbox, etc. Lets leave it for the day when hopefully the cool crew at CARADVICE rock and roll in this beast!

  • TP

    The Hilux Toyotas saviour? Get real, the TRD would no doubt smash the Hilux in ALL aspects (accleration, handling etc). But thats not saying the Hilux is bad, its going to appeal to alot of people, the attributes we all know the Hilux has (Reliability, toughness) and those it now has (performance). Steal some sales from Ford and Holden.

  • Andrew M

    well yes lets see how the review comes in, but i cant see how a vehicle with such a high lift (that you can put your head between the wheel and guard) can have zero body roll.

    hilux would have to be a remarkable transformation to get any sports handling attributes out of

    also the hilux currently gets that 175kw from a different motor to the one TRD uses.
    hilux has a 4.0L whereas the TRD motor that they will use is the same 3.5L and one would assume it would have the same power figures.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    maybe it will appeal to many people but will the price tag?
    you wouldnt buy this if you were chasing pure performance.

    these things are 55-60K odd before you trick them up imagine what they will ask for this…..

    and that last line……
    you are just chasing an argument arent you ha ha ha ha
    please lets not go there with this topic

  • TP

    I think it would be suicide if it was $55k…. in the $40s and it would be very attractive, I think it wont be a slouch in terms of straight line speed, 200kw and over 400NM WITH AWD makes for a dam quicker SUV

  • Bavarian Missile

    …..WELL TRICK MY TRUCK………

    Hey NM……..Wheelnut and I watched that too…..that was a great episode……and well supported and promoted by Toyota!

  • TP

    Yeeeeeah supported by Toyota…. that or perhaps the Hilux is one of the toughest vehicles in the world, as acknowledges by thousands of people around the world. You sure as hell couldnt make that voyage in a Ford Falcon, hell even the mighty Hliux struggled through those boulders.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    HEY Missile……………..didnt the Toyota Hilux in standard form cop an absolute deadset fullon pummeling at the hands of the mad hater Jeremy Clarkson – especially when he drove right towards end of the epic journey when all the area was covered in fairly awkward little mountains pitted everywhere like at atom bomb hit the landscape. Rivetting driving and how that car truly survived…..I do not know! Was unreal show and geepers crikey those lads took there lives into there own hands. At times I thought the 3tonne Hilux was going to go through the thin blue sea ice as looked quite scary when camera showed ice thickness! Amazing show!

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    mate thats what im saying with price.
    but what you may not know is these (in SR5 form) are 55K every other day of the week.
    now im saying imagine the premium they will charge once TRD touches them.

    also the speed will be determined by the gearing they use. if they use the current gearing it will chew a load of juice and provide far from inspiring gear changes.

    is it actually going to be AWD though??? i doubt it. i think people are getting confused

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP………if you have seen the show you would see that these things are really modified…..and what we didn’t say is they were in a race against Richard and some dogs…PFFFFTTT

  • Bavarian Missile

    NM………YEP it was dead set cool..especially the Gin and Tonic scenes…..oooo and the rear mounted port a loo..hahaha

  • Bavarian Missile

    Come on Wheelnut….1 2 3..

  • Wheelnut

    Promoted by Toyota… it was 100% Paid for by Toyota

    If TRD is supposedly the rival to the other aussie perfomance car makers – FPV and HSV then surely they would dump the hilux to improve its handling and cornering around corners particularly at the high speed both the Maloo Pursuit and Typhoon utes can reach..

  • Wheelnut

    I liked the unique way they put the tyre back on the rim agfter JCs little mishap.. Lighter Fluid.. who would have thunk it?

  • Bavarian Missile

    AndrewM looks like there coping HSV and FPV and starting a performance label for themselves in Australia..I think I saw it in the latest Wheels, there also doing a Yaris!!!!!Hey maybe even a Prius….now were talking!! Grunt grunt grunt..

  • Wheelnut

    If the TRD Hilux looked more like the one Top Gear took to the Pole I’m sure they’d get much more interest and it would help change their image..

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…yep wonder they didn’t blow themselves up too..how dangerous was that!!!

    Hey Wheelnut didn’t you hear Toyota are dumping the Hilux and entering it in the Brute Utes Racing….hehehehe

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ouuu.Antispam word BMWM3……

    Your not wrong Wheelnut….Maybe it will be the new Pole special ,made especially for Toyota extremists!hahaha

  • http://elfin The boss.

    I love that show crazy poms,saw the merc vs bm vs audi rs4 the v8 brigade and a drag race at the end my type of show.Love the rs4 looks and sounds great with exaust.TRD CREW TOYZ R DUST, but i must hand it to the hilux for haulin ass through the ice.

  • No Name

    Ha Ha I’m here. It looks great as most 4WD pickups do. But I’m going to be a spoil sport and say what’s the point of it. Honestly it’s like putting nobblies on a 911. If you want to drive fast then buy a performance car unless you like to pose in this.

    Regarding the Arctic Challenge the trucks were modified by Artictrucks.com who have years of experience in hacking these things around. Toyota UK supported the event apparently they had £20K of spares. Can’t somehow see a production truck doing this and who’s to say a Nissan Navarra couldn’t do it. For more info http://www.invinciblehilux.co.uk

    Oops forgot to mention the D word . yes the arctic challengers were Diesel

  • Watto_Cobra

    Quote Wheelnut = “I liked the unique way they put the tyre back on the rim agfter JCs little mishap.. Lighter Fluid.. who would have thunk it?” That episode is still sitting on my HD, haven’t gotten round to watching it yet.

    I saw that trick on a South Pole expedition on the Discovery Channel (At least 8 years old the show was).

  • Reckless1

    This is the most stupid vehicle imaginable.

    The standard Hilux will easily roll in the witches hat swerve test (check it on utube).

    The standard Hilux lacks ground clearance for off-roading as it is – jack it up for clearance, and the body roll gets worse and it tips over more easily.

    The standard Hilux can easily cost $55,000 or more, some $10,000 to $20,000 more than Navara, Rodeo, BT-50, etc. Oh, but I forgot – when they are 10 years old, they will still be worth $20,000 and the others will only be worth $10,000, it’s that legendary resale value ……….that you buy when you get a new one.

    So, some numnuts want to give it more power and make it go faster, and ask what will be $75,000 or more for it – ho, ho, ho, a-wanking we will go

    But there will be a few wankers who will buy it, but not me.

  • Anthonii

    So its ok for Ford to stick a blower in their 4WD but not ok for Toyota?

    And Wheelnut the TRD is not really a rival exactly to anything. FPV and HSV usually use V8′s for preformance (short of the Typhoon which is awesome BTW) and Toyota are taking the Blower route…

    Though there will alwaysbe rival between TRD & HSV/FPV so we shall see.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha..No Name….What sort of a Cupid Stunt was that you think.hehehe

    Yep of course diesel…for obvious reasons! Love the 911 with Nobblies on it though!

    Watto….you should,great episode! Not as good as last for the season….Christmas one with the M3 ..that was very good!!!hehehe

  • No Name

    Watto – I too saw the discovery channel prog.

    The top gear challenge was done in 2007. The registration plate on the Hilux’s had an 07 in the sequence meaning they were registered between 1st March 2007 and 31 August 2007. We have age related plates here (UK) and those Hilux’s had the latest sequenced. The latest sequences which run for 6 month intervals started in Sept 2001 with 51 plated cars followed by 02 for 6months then 52, then 03, then 53, 04, 54, 05, 55, 06, 56, 07, now 57.

    Typical reg say would be AB07CDE

  • Bavarian Missile

    Your right there Anthonii TRD isn’t a rival…..its supposedly trying …

  • http://elfin The boss.

    Hate to say it, but ford dont have a match for these new hilux diesel turbos people just love the current model with a cannopy great for tip runs hehe.A 290kw xr8 is nothing to laugh at at hehe.

  • Anthonii

    That Top Gear Episode for those curious:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y72AsH6nywg

    and that ladies and gentlemen, is why you should not mod your car :P

  • No Name

    Bavaria – What obvious reason are those then. Please advise cos i’m ignorant. snigger snigger.

    How do you cope with the laptop in the pool?

  • http://elfin The boss.

    TRD dont have any rivals,its trying to expand it hilux range along with its camry which is no match for a xr6t,i rent the hilux turbo diesel all the time just to take rubbish to the tip hehe.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Yep, I’m slack BM. There’s about 50hours of stuff on the HD I’m yet to watch.

  • http://elfin The boss.

    Until ford release a turbo diesel to match,ill have to make do with the hilux for my rubbish truck.hehe.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh..no I don’t have to……. do I No Name……???
    hahaha …..Just say you win ?On another note what temperature does petrol freeze?

    Laptop in the Pool…….not tonight ….hard drive had died again…….2nd one in 3 weeks! Must be the water…..hehehe
    Dell…..you know in Chinese that means S H I T.GUESS SO….

    Watto .mate…….how big is your hard….drive??

  • Watto_Cobra

    Lol BM, naughty.
    Add them up, well over a Terabyte.

  • No Name

    Hey i’m onto something now. Got me boffin hat on. Wireless waterproof keyboard and big screen near the pool. Wooo i’m off to play with the Cling Film.

    Like the truck by the way.

  • golfschwein

    Two words: roll centre.

    As with the TRD Aurion, it’s like wearing a cardigan with shoulder pads. Nutherwords, what’s the point? What are you trying to prove?

    Tradesmen already drive down the freeway at 130kmh in their loaded utes, so they hardly need the extra kw this thing offers.

  • No Name

    Too right Golfie. It’ll be driven by the Posuer Hoon Element.

  • http://Mini Nick

    Why bother with a TuRD Hilux! Surely a TRD Corolla would have been a better bet, to capitalise on the booming hot hatch market. This would have also made more sense as the TRD Australian Rally team race Corollas with much success. Maybe they were a little afraid of the following acronyms. MPS, GTI, STI, WRX, R26, XR5, VXR, etc. Then again, it’s Toyota. The king of pushing young and asprational buyers away. I bet my bottom dollar, this thing will sell on the wrong side of 60K!

  • David

    It amazes me that people believe everything they see on TOP GEAR & hang on every word Clarkson & Hammond says regarding a whole range of topics & never think to question what is going on.Opinion moulding thats what.
    The Arctic HiLux was heavily modified for its journey,not to mention the massive support & editing.
    As for TRD HiLux agree with the above,I am going to keep clear of these,I can imagine the braindeads who are going to get behind the wheel.
    Centre of Gravity,WHAT’S THAT?

  • http://www.cars-4tuning.com virgil t

    the new toyota looks great!!!!!
    http://www.cars-4tuning.com

  • Watto_Cobra

    I know what you mean David. I like watching Top Gear.

    It’s very entertaining, great camera work, but not a lot of info (maybe that’s why it’s entertaining tho), and the Stig. But I don’t take everything they say as gospel.

    Particularly the “Cool Wall”. Opinions vary and in my opinion there are a lot of cars in the wrong place on the cool wall.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Watto…..what the hell is a Terabyte???? Sounds nasty ,is it painful?

    hahaha…Golfschwein your a classic! You remember shoulder pads too……

    No Name………ummmmm what did you do with the cling film?

    David…….exactly,apart from the shape and badge on the front of the Hilux I doubt much more was factory! Even the chassis would of have to be strengthened to take the extra weight you would think it endured!

  • Watto_Cobra

    Haha, it’s 1024 gigabytes. Same as a gigabyte is 1024 megabytes.

    Golfschwein … now every time I think of TRD the shoulder pad cardigan image will jump to mind.

  • Bret

    Why a Hilux? What else is there in the Toyota range with RWD?
    TP, that is why CA said this may be a saviour, since they TRD know they got it wrong with the flop TRD Aurion (both on the road and the sales charts – have you seen the deals on offer to shift these lemmings?)
    Price: I think the donor vehicle is probably a SR5 4X2, RRP about $40,000 – expect the TRD to be well over $55K.
    Note chrome mirrors (SR5), No wheel arch flares (2WD).

    It appears that TRD are following the typical Toyota philosophy of wide range, but thin on substance? TRD is not set to be seen as a premium brand.

  • Oz.

    I need to see it for myself at Brisbane before a judge this as anything.

    TP, I know what the chassis under a hilux look like, if it were anywhere near the toughest utillity, you have to be dreaming as the American pic-up’s chassis are huge compared to a hilux.

  • Bavarian Missile

    # Watto_Cobra Says:
    January 18th, 2008 at 9:13 am
    Golfschwein … now every time I think of TRD the shoulder pad cardigan image will jump to mind.

    hahaha……you crack me up!!!!! So will I…….

  • jamison

    yeah, strange decision to supercharge a Hilux.. but Australia is 4WD country… meaning ratio wise, people do love their 4WD down under.. but a small truck?…

    people saying it will have “roll” problem.. not necssarily.. yes I can see the argument. but… lets see evaluations first.

    a supercharged Corolla WAS proposed… still not sure why they didnt opt for it… the V6 blade was prime candidate… but… i think it could be detrimental to the purpose of “economical” car… as a lot of corolla buyers are primarily young females, and/or small families (1-2 kids) downgrading from 6 cylinders or medium sized cars…

  • Bret

    Jamison,
    I don’t believe that these will be 4WD, certainly the pictures appear to be 2WD versions (not as high & no wheel arch flares).
    I wonder whether the Hilux choice has anything to do with the reincarnation of the (XXXXX) precision driving team as the “Hilux Heroes”? And are they using the TRD Hilux? That is, are they running modded 3.5L or modded 4.0L engines?
    We do know that they are using only 2WD Hilux’s.

  • Bubba Ganush

    If it is tuned to be a perfomance vehicle then not a work horse then it could possibly be a over priced boat tower

    Tonka Truck

  • realcars

    Why bother?

  • Gibbo

    Should be a good truck…providing they fit it with both front and rear disc breaks. It seems odd to me that a $50 000 SR5 has drum breaks on the rear. I looked up close at the preproduction TRD HiLux at the Sydney Motor show and yes it had rear drum breaks too… I thought this was ment to be a performance truck… performance doesnt just mean straight line accereration…you also need to beable to stop quickly too.

  • Duck

    No pics of the rear!

  • arlester

    this is defianetly and AWD or FWD. the 2WD are lower

  • Bret

    Arlester,
    No I don’t think so. FWD? Not in a Hilux (or did you mean FourWD).
    On the contrary, 4WD are definitely higher. 2WD versions sit higher in the upper spec models because of bigger wheels. Compare the pics closely to those in the gallery on Toyo Aus website.

    Gibbo,
    I don’t think that the Hilux is engineered for rear discs, and cost would be too high for this limited production. You looked closely at one? Can you confirm RWD only?

  • Andrew M

    yep i reckon its the 4×4 model too. its way too high for the 2wd model.
    if it is indeed the 4 wheeler as the article says you wont get change from 75-80K

    ha ha ha isnt it funny how the 2 claimants of toyota hilux being the toughest vehicle on earth have now shut up in light of this not being a production model.

    it still sounds like a good watch though (i didnt catch it)
    Is there some where i can download the episode? or is someone able to send it to me off their hard drive? Watto?

    and ease up with the Terabyte thing. You made that up ha ha ha. i thought thats what a dinosaurs bite was called ha ha ha

    Anthonii
    ford throws a blower on a PROPER AWD system which actually gets complimented on its “car like handling”. it also doesnt have leaf sprung rear end

  • Bret

    As an engineer 4WD would be my “choice”. I hope that they get it right. Details will be interesting when tested.

  • Andrew M

    Bret,
    are you saying your choice is that this one IS a 4WD, or that your choice is that it SHOULD be 4WD?

  • golfschwein

    Not engineered for disc rears? Why do I find that easy to believe? Near enough is good enough for commercial vehicles, it seems.

  • Andrew M

    so true Golf.
    these things have just discovered airbags!!!!! yes airbags!!!!! these funny cushion things that stop you hitting your head/chest on the steering wheel

  • No Name

    Hey there is a market for it, its a high speed Taliban troop carrier.

  • Andrew M

    No Name,
    you aint just a pretty face.
    now they can drop suicide bombers off in half the time ha ha ha

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahahaha……nice one NO NAME!!!

    Shouldn’t laugh Andrew……but I cant stop !!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey AndrewM……Im sure TP may drop in just for the unveiling of it……Got a picture in your head anyone what he looks like????? You will have to play spoto for us!!!!!

  • No Name

    Thanks peeps. Not PC but couldn’t help it. Toyota stuck with cart springs on the rear purely cos the middle east users tend to overload them with troops oops! meant to say gear and the cost of coil over was greater. Correct or not..dunno

  • http://ozmazdaclub.com David (OMC)

    another reason to wack on some 22′ chromies Dukes of Hazard lights on the roof and never use it for what it is designed for…..thats not an aussie ute…and I would rather a BT-50 cheaper tougher and Bloody Terrific.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Dinosaur, lol. But a terabyte really is 1024 gigabytes.

    Ummm, probably only way I could send that episode (which I’ll finally watch this weekend) to you Andrew.M, would be burn a DVD and mail it to you.

  • TP

    No Andrew.M I have not shut up, as usual you make assumptions… some people do have things to do, especially on a Friday night! Of course it wasnt stock, but its still a testament to the ruggedness of Toyota’s, no car before then had done that trip afterall, so however modified it still had to overcome challenges.

    BM I wouldnt have trouble spotting you guys, just look for the guys in the flanno’s and the gal with a bush under her armpits… ie the typical ford + holden supporters.

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP……….your such a knob head!

    Brave thing to say about Holden and Ford supporters lurking behind a keyboard!
    Sorry too disappoint you…no hairy armpits ! The guys have got a pic of me and I sure they can verify that for you…as far as flannelet shirts……Ive seen a couple of pics of the guys on this site and no flannelets to be seen!!!!

    Im picturing you looking like something from the Revenge of the Nerds!!!!!hahaha Black rimmed glasses,tee shirt tucked into your shorts that are pulled up to your arm pits and finished off with some nice black socks and sandals!

    That comment you made on the Hilux traveling to the pole…you mean the badge! Saying that was a Toyota is like saying F250 Monster Trucks are Ford!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    OUUUUU.forgot topped off with a nice digital Casio watch!

  • TP

    Yep you go me dammit your good… I think my description is accurate though.

    As for the pole thing, sorry your gonna have to hack it… the Hilux is recognised INTERNATIONALLY as a rugged vehicle, another example of how you people cant accept Toyota being superior. This isnt my opinion (just like the reliabily issue which I provide evidence for), this is the opinion of a vast majority.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha….ya reckon!

    You joined the forum………….

    Hey Im not saying the Hilux isn’t good………..although they were banned from Mine sites a while ago cause of the problems with rollovers on gravel roads at low speeds! I think Cobra 045 said they have just started using them again!
    I am just saying that the one they used in the Pole adventure was hardly a factory car…..Paul when will you learn I like Toyotas …maybe not to extreme like you but I do think they are great car makers!Doesn’t mean others are all crap though! Its not a contest on this site you know..

  • golfschwein

    A high-speed taliban troop carrier with a high roll centre will solve all the world’s problems. Bravo, No Name!

  • golfschwein

    Correction: a high-speed taliban troop carrier with a high roll centre and REAR DRUM BRAKES will solve all the world’s problems. Build it so it can go 300 km/h. KA-BOOM!

  • http://ACA Howling Dingo

    Golffreak – GM and Ford are unable to even solve there own issues let alone that of the world’s.

    You know why the Taliban don’t use Holden and Ford utes – because when they chuck thier swags in the back the suspension goes KA-BOOM.

    To soft – all girly marshmellow like.

    So much for going hard around corners ha … !!

    Andrew – what’s the compliment of the Territory like for it’s off-road abilities. But then again – i guess there ain’t many Farmers, Tradies or off-raod enthusiasts who worry about such abilities in this vast, rugged nation of ours … is there !!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh look Mikka is back………..

  • Bavarian Missile

    Mikka says…..

    Oh yeah … Wallowing Missile (Bavarian Twit) – as someone employed by Rio Tinto in the Mines (Central Western Queensland) – the Hilux has never or was never banned from the Mines and if you can every manage to peel your a*se away from the screen for just a wee day and lived in The Real World and not La La Land – you would probably come to the conclusion that any mine these days is more like Hilux City then anything else.

    Now thats interesting considering Cobra045…works as as Civil engineer in W.A for Rio…….whos a wanker………

    My brother also an engineer and once in charge of the Mine s fatality task force for Western Mining …… So I know a little of what happens in the mining industry……mate Ive even been underground…..YOU!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    You truly are are tool…….who else would hid behind soooo many names!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Laughing my arse off huge…………..must be a pussy with nine lives. Checkmate to BM there!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thankyou honey……..did you get my pic…….no hairy armpits….as a matter of fact I am a Brazil……so hate all hair….except on my head!!!!hahaha

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Yeeeeeessss. Geepers…..OOOOOK. Dont go Telly Savalas on me or Yul Brunner.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahah……too late……

  • golfschwein

    Dingo doesn’t appreciate subtlety, it seems. I had a post moderated because it used the word c**k in a very innocent fashion, yet look what this bloke writes!

    I suppose it’s inevitable when your head’s the same circumference as your neck.

    Sorry to hear about your grammar, too, mate. No, no, I said “grammar”, not “Grandma”.

  • Wheelnut

    Heres a nit I’d like to pick you nit wit

    Quote by Drongo… I mean Dingo

    Now … before some of you Holden/Ford clowns start picking nits with the Hilux – just bare in mind that Ford will be offering a FPV TERRITORY in due course and personally, the Supercharged Hilux would be my pick because something the HSV TERRITORY will not offer and that is any ‘real mans’ off-road ability.

    I think you’ll find HSV Dont make the Territory its a Ford

  • Wheelnut

    Another quote from you know who..

    Bavarian – Holden and Ford are not even rivals to Toyota these days … they carn’t possibly because of the vast difference in sales.. But haa they’re trying

    How can you say that TRD [Toyota] isn’t a Rival to FPV [Ford] or HSV [Holden]….

    I mean South Sydney Rabbitohs and Brisbane Broncos are Rivals in the same Competition [NRL] and on almost every occassion the Broncos thrash the Bunnies..

    Therefore; [by your irreverewnt logic] because of this somehow they’re not really rivals.

  • http://ACA Smirking Dingo

    Oooow …. did i hit a few nerves… Ooooch !!

    Wayward Missile – your brother (nor Cobra) don’t work as Engineers in the mines because if they did, they would have understanding that the sales of the Hilux was never stopped.

    Nice try twit but come again on that considering you have absloutely no idea what my postion for Rio Tinto Mining is !!

    Durrrr ….

    And you’ve been underground … really – as a parrot nodoubt !!

    So, lets get back to discussing were you computer scourged mind sparked a wee bit and come us with such a wacky thing !!

    And while we are talking about hair – i reckon it’ll be a sure thing you have a hairy arse because that chair you sit on (but then again – it’s probably a few hard planks) would be permanetly moulded to your ‘backside’.

    That’s why you speak from experiance …. haa !!

    Anyway – lets get back to discussing this TRD Hilux thing and see if we can work out why you Circus Clowns are worried about Toyota. But then again – if i was a Holden/Ford clown i would be rather concerned myself but haa … that ain’t my problem – it’s yours !!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Superb humor as usual Golfschwein………not I have a picture of what TP and letya Dickgo look like!hehehe

    Hey Wheelnut…….I understand totally and well put,not sure that the extremist are listening though.As usual!

    Im sure they will be back……..Anyone know what Mikka drives yet?

  • http://ACA Smirking Dingo

    LooseWheelNut – sorry bloke … that don’t cut it.

    Toyota’s dominace over those softies at Holden and Ford is genocide rather then a killing.

    Holden and Ford are no longer rivals but rather nothing more then just names.

    Holden …. Holden who !!

    Even better – apparently the assigned duration for ‘Top Brass’ at Holden and Ford these days is the time it takes them to drink a cup of tea !!

    Obviuosly for some of them – even that’s to long.

  • http://ACA Smirking Dingo

    Oooh – morning Wayward Missile … so how do you start your day.
    Shove a smoke in the mouth, down a few hard blacks, tell the kids to clean the house by hiring a Dingo, scratch the hairy bum and then start acting like an expert in La La Land.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh really Dickgo……

    Here you are then…# Cobra045 Says:
    November 8th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    I work for a mining company and we own hundreds of vehicles.. 95% of these vehicles are landcruisers.. and the only reason there are a few nissans is because quite regularly toyota cant keep up the supply.. the small numbers of nissans that are bought usually dont last 50 thousand kms before the suspension poops itself and the seals all start leaking..
    in saying that we have only just started using hilux’s again as they were banned from site for a number of years due to their ability to rollover in even low speed cornering on gravel roads and pits..

    You want his contact details as Rio here……Ive got them!

    My brother is stationed at Yellow Knife Canada……mate he would eat you alive with your so called knowledge of Hiluxs on mine sites! How many safety procedures have you implemented on mine sites????

    Me as a parrot…no mate that would be you,where all sick to death of you prattling on about the same old s..t! So you have been underground then ….what in a hilux or a Landcruiser? Naaaaaaaa.I know a bogger!!!!hahaha

    Regards to my ar.e…… your confusing yourself’s own ears!

    My but hasn’t been in the seat much this weekend ……have been keeping an eye on the site for the guys though……

    Cant wait to tell them your back……hehehe

    So you haven’t signed up for the Forum……how disappointing! You will notice in the members list a bunch of us Ford Fairies registered a week before the site went up…….mmmmmmm how ya think we managed that!

    For the 500000000 time when are you and Paul going to realize were not worried about Toyota……..we are just all sick of your extremism to comment on nothing else and praise them even when their failing……

  • Bavarian Missile

    You looking at your wife when your saying that Dickgo…….

  • Bavarian Missile

    Enough of the insults I think for now…….you want to get back on topic……

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo.. last time I checked a Dingo wasn’t a vacuum cleaner used to clean the house. it is either
    A – A wild dog native to Australia
    B – A Compact versatile piece of machinery used to do excavation and landscaping – bit like a rotary hoe etc

    Oh and now there’s

    C – A person who is so narrow minded he didn’t know about A or B

  • Bavarian Missile

    Last time you challenged me?????What the…..On what?

    Walking……where……

    So maybe in QLD have Hiluxs more fool you if someone has died in one cause of the roll overs they had in the past! ……..but not in the West…….Landcruisers as Cobra045 says.

    Eating me alive……how????? Thats your perception as usual your the only one thats patting yourself on the back.

    I wallow behind others……sorry I don’t seem to see anyone here but you and me mate!Life experience…..hahaha!More than you could dream!

    A lot of people are sick of me, that being….????? Mate Ill be on this site a lot longer than you so stop your babbling!

    I don’t hate you…..just think your an extremists!

    She pays attention to the household…..gee you make it sound thats her job……a typical arrogant male sexiest thing to say…..one I would expect from a knuckle dragger like yourself!

    Your so typical of blokes that have problems with women that have knowledge of cars…..so are you going to get back on topic now you have insulted me again or do I make a phone call to Alborz and get your ass kicked off here too!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Last time you challenged me?????What the…..On what?

    Walking……where……

    So maybe in QLD have Hiluxs more fool you if someone has died in one cause of the roll overs they had in the past! ……..but not in the West…….Landcruisers as Cobra045 says.

    Eating me alive……how????? Thats your perception as usual your the only one thats patting yourself on the back.

    I wallow behind others……sorry I don’t seem to see anyone here but you and me mate!Life experience…..hahaha!More than you could dream!

    A lot of people are sick of me, that being….????? Mate Ill be on this site a lot longer than you so stop your babbling!

    I don’t hate you…..just think your an extremists!

    She pays attention to the household…..gee you make it sound thats her job……a typical arrogant male s e x iest thing to say…..one I would expect from a knuckle dragger like yourself!

    Your so typical of blokes that have problems with women that have knowledge of cars…..so are you going to get back on topic now you have insulted me again or do I make a phone call to Alborz and get your b u t t kicked off here too!

  • Wheelnut

    That’s my Point..

    Yes Toyota are winning at the moment but that doesn’t alter the fact that because Toyota are in the same competition – The Australian Car Market as: Ford; Holden; FPV; HSV; Mitsubishi; Nissan Mini; BMW; Mercedes Benz; Aston Martin; Saab; Audi; Volvo; Smart; Alfa Romeo; Mazda; Ferrari; Lamborghini; Maserati; Chrysler; Porsche etc..

    They are still rivals.

    To use the NRL Analogy again..
    One team may be the leader in a particular area the way Toyota are with 4x4s

    However; There are areas where they aren’t as good as other lowly ranked teams Like Holden are with The Commodore

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo:

    If you look at a computer monitor; TV screen or any other bright source of light for extended periods of time your eyss will actually become narrower more like slots – not square

    Its an automatic reaction inorder to protect the vital nerves at the back of the eye. If these nerves are damaged your retina loses the ability to expand and contract thereby reducing your scope of vision

    Which is why after sitting infront of a computer at work allday people often look tired because the muscles around their eye are worn out.

    I mean if your eyes were square they would have more area than a circle which would allow more light in and thereby do more damage to the retina etc..

  • Bavarian Missile

    Wheelnut ….. que vous ne cessez jamais de me stupéfier avec l’information vous sortez avec …..

  • Wheelnut

    Quote: Dingo “And beleive it or not – alot of people including myself are sick-n-tired of reading the rubble that spills from your smoke-n-coffee riddle gob.”

    If that’s so then why are there so many more people on this website/this blog who on an umber of occassions have agreed with and backed up what BM have said.. compared to the one or two who agree with your inane, repetative; extreme statements.

    Surely if what BM says is so wrong.. more people would be on here backing you up and blowing her up.. instead of the other way around?

    Mind you the fact that you resort to personal insults on nearly every occassion doesn’t really help your cause.

  • jbot

    I’m definitely not a fan of her drivel either… And there is a lot of us out there.

    “insulted me again or do I make a phone call to Alborz and get your b u t t kicked off here too” sounds a lot like “I’m going to tell mummy on you!”. Grow up BM.

  • http://ACA Howling Dingo

    Bavarian – this is probably a more accurate description of what most likely happened regarding the Hilux on some sites.

    When the current model was released it brought with it a poky V6 and a powerful Diesel and naturally (nodoubt) some of the lads would have tried ‘em out (naturally) resulting in recordable incidences warranting investigation.

    From this – nodoudt … the findings secured nothing wrong with the vehicles but the fault of neglegent behaviour and ofcourse the employess concerned have been dealt with accordingly.

    Across predomnately most mining sites, industries, farming land and the driveway of tradies you will find literally thousands of Hilux’s and that doesn’t happen by mistake but rather opon the proven merit of the rugged, dependable nature of the Hilux.

    But haa … i don’t need to remind you of this do i.

    And if people do die in roll-overs in off-roaders then yes they are probably fools. An off-roader is not a car just like a car is not an off-roader and any level-head person would drive and utilise thier respective vehicle accordingly.

    Seriuosly … what is so hard with that.

    Accidents don’t normally happen because of the fault with a particular vehicle but rather the behaviuor of the loose nut behind the wheel.

    That said – i have absolutely no problem with woman and cars – not a single issue. But … i do have a problem (male or female) with people getting it wrong and babble crap.

    And i take it that if your hard working husband didn’t do the house chores aswell nothing would get done around the home … right !!

    And that is Mr Knuckle Dragger to you thanks.

    Anyway – back to the subject….

    Why are poeple comparing the TRD Hilux to Maloo/typhoon utes and the fact it would not handle as well.

    Durrr … isn’t the designed purpose of the Hilux to be a rugged off-road platform and not a sweeping bend motor vehicle.

    I reserve little doubt that alot of Farm boys, tradies and off-road enthusiast would love to get thier hands on a souped up Lux – why wouldn’t they ??

    So be reasonable people – judge the TRD Hilux for what it is … a beefed up off-roader not a friggen car for gods sacks. It really ain’t that hard to actually display some common sense but then again – i am talking to typical Holdem/Ford bogons.

    And Bavarian – an extremist is someone like yourself who eats, sleeps and shits in a clown suit because they carn’t get of the computer. And you are certainly right about one matter and that is life experiance – i couldn’t possibly compare to you in La La Land.

    Ooooh – gonna make a phone call to Alborz. So it’s OK for you top have fun with others (TP) but not good at taking the heat yourself.

    Tyipcal of a Holden/Ford loser.

    The all Bathurst conqeuring Nissan GTR must ring alarms !!

    So were are your friends now … bugged out because Dingo is here.

  • http://ACA Howling Dingo

    LooseWheelNut – my only cause is keep people like yourself in check and abviuosly that is hard for you and some your ‘computer’ friends to cope with.

    Well guess what … harden up princess because i will be coming and going from time to time.

  • golfschwein

    Oh dear. We were all having a bit of harmless fun and being polite to one another, and look what happens.

    Dingo, I really think you should abstain from posting comments if you just get on here to hurl unsophisticated insults about.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh we forgot about JBOT……..another Toyota extremists…you don’t get on with any of us either just not me mate!

    It may sound like that too you mate but as the boys are all in Sydney at the moment I was asked to keep an eye on the site for them……and with his insults getting worse and not discussing the topic I felt it necessary to say before it gets out of hand! Nothing to do with me not being able to accept his insults….why don’t you read what I said!

  • jbot

    Oh yeah.. I’m the Toyota extremist.. Never have owned one in my life, have a Holden now, big fan of Falcon and Ford’s range in general. I was one of the first to have a go at TP, and when I sed to comment more often, I often said negative things about Toyotas. Their 4WDs (cruiser and prado) and Yaris are probably the only 3 cars in their range I like. Hmmmm guess that does make me a “Toyota extremist”… You are an idiot BM.

  • jbot

    For everyone who enjoys this site’s sake, I hope CarAdvice see the light and put an end to your increasing envolvement in the site.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Well it seems you like jumping on their bandwagon…..when ever there seems to be a Toyota post with some biff and barg comments you seem to be in the thick of it!Lay down with dogs and you will wake up with fleas!

    Mate not my problem you don’t like the fact Im popular on the site and that I can provide a service to them you clearly don’t have any understanding of!

  • jbot

    That is where I believe you are wrong. You THINK you are popular on this site, but in fact you would probably find that it is the minority that actually wants to hear the things you say. It would be similar for me, but you are definitely not popular.

  • Wheelnut

    What doo you mean your only cause is to keep people like yourself in check..

    If you haven’t noticed me and my computer friends realise that:
    - Toyota are the overall market leader at the moment.
    - Toyota make some reliable practical quality cars

    However we can also accept the fact that whilst our Beloved Holden and Ford also make reliable practical quality cars.. they also have some faults and made some mistakes.. which it appears you are unable to do so in relation to Toyota.

    It seems all you do is keep repeating the same information over and over again trying to prove a point – referring to ANCrAP Testsl Sales Figures and Surveys]
    when you do that people tend to get tired of it; turn off and stop paying attention to anything else you have to say..

    We get your point but theres no real need to keep harking on about it..

    As I said Toyota are leading at the moment.. but once you start to think that you are infallible that’s when you are most likely to be attacked as you have been lired into a false sense of security..

    Its a lot easier to chase then it is to lead.

    and abviuosly that is hard for you and some your ‘computer’ friends to cope with.

  • Wheelnut

    Jbot there is a difference between popularity and respect

  • TP

    Hahahaha I love it… Dingo great posts, especially that first one, fired the first show and BM was blown out of the water!

    Wheelnut you are lying, your camp does not realise any of those points at all…

    * They make excuses for why Toyota is the market leader… ‘oh they have a way bigger range bla bla bla’, when in fact Ford have a comparable range.

    * They certainly DONT admit Toyota make reliable cars, thats another one with excuses ‘oh its only a PERCEPTION of quality, they dont actually make reliable cars’… despite various external sources supporting the fact that Toyota is indeed #1

    The impression I get as Dingo highlighted with BM over the Hilux at mines issue is that you Ford camp talk absolulte baseless drivel… and actually believe it. The Hilux at mines was a complete lie… your claims about what people here think about Toyota are a lie.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thanks Wheelnut……….

    I have found in life that I try to follow a rule “you can catch more flies with Honey than vinegar” something I try to do on this site ,but like a lot of things in life there are always those that prefer the vinegar approach !

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP………well we all wondered when you would put your head up! Ummmmm explain how I was blown out of the water……seems to me its Dingos facts against my facts from what Cobra o45 said …..you choose to believe Dingo for no other reason than it suits you, doesn’t mean hes right about whats happening here in WA! How can you prove hes right? Ill give Cobra045 a call tomorrow and Im sure he will have no problem backing up his statement! Calling us liars is just plain ignorant!

    Wheelnut is absolutely correct….. your the one that chooses not to read what we say and take it out of context when it suits you! I have stated numerous times Toyota make great vehicles but your not listening……

  • Wheelnut

    Whatever; TP

  • Bavarian Missile

    So anyone know if they were recalled here too?

    Quote “7 March 2007
    Toyota is recalling around 30,000 vehicles in New Zealand that could be affected by a problem with steering relay rods.

    Letters have been sent to the owners of the affected Surf, Hilux and 4Runner models. Manager for National Service Operations Mark Rounthwaite says the rods could crack, causing a loss of steering as the worst case scenario, but he says it is not something to panic about, as the warrant of fitness system should pick up any major problems.

    Mr Rounthwaite says owners can take their vehicle into a Toyota dealer where the steering relay rod will be replaced.

  • Bavarian Missile

    ouuuuuu Maybe they did after I just found this!

    Quote….TOKYO Jul 18, 2006 (AP)— Toyota Motor Corp. said Tuesday it was recalling about 420,000 vehicles globally, including some Echo and Prius models sold in the U.S., over a faulty engine part.

    The faulty part is the latest in a string of problems requiring recalls by Toyota, raising doubts over whether the automaker can maintain quality standards amid booming sales.

    The recall affects 268,570 vehicles sold in Japan across 12 models manufactured in 2001, including Corollas, the compact cars Vitz and Platz and the hybrid Prius, the company said in a statement submitted to Japan’s Transport Ministry.

    A faulty engine part could lead to an oil leak in the engine and cause it to stop, the statement said. There have been no accidents blamed on the fault, according to Toyota.

    The recall also affects about 150,000 cars sold overseas, mainly in the United States and Canada, Toyota spokeswoman Shiori Hashimoto said. These autos were also manufactured in 2001.

    In the United States, 24,490 cars sold under the name Echo and Yaris, as well as 8,476 Prius vehicles are affected by the recall, she said.

    Also Tuesday, Toyota subsidiary Hino Motors Ltd. recalled 1,913 trucks across five 2004-05 models, also due to engine problems.

    Hino said defective engine brackets could break under pressure, causing the trucks’ engines to stall. The recall affects Hino’s Dutro model, as well as Dyna and Toyoace trucks manufactured by Hino and sold under the Toyota brand.

    The engines of an additional 10,310 Toyota and Hino trucks manufactured in 2003-05 may have faulty turbine blades, the two companies said.

    The trucks will be repaired for free though the fault isn’t serious enough to meet Japan’s recall standards, according to Hashimoto.

    The recalls come after police investigated three Toyota officials on suspicion of professional negligence in allegedly shirking recalls for eight years and not fixing a defect that may have caused an accident.

    Five people were injured in a crash in 2004 in southern Japan when steering failed in a 1993 Toyota Hilux Surf sport utility vehicle, causing it to swing out of control. Toyota had received five reports of problems with the steering by 1996, but no recall was made until 2004, the company said.

    The investigation was another embarrassment for Toyota, whose once impeccable image has been tarnished by a number of recalls.

    Earlier this month, the company recalled 367,500 Toyota and Lexus sport utility vehicles in the U.S. because a piece in the front console area could come loose and interfere with the gas pedal.

    Toyota has been reporting booming sales in recent years and is growing so rapidly some analysts expect it to overtake struggling General Motors Corp. of the U.S. as the world’s biggest automaker in coming years.

  • http://ACA Growling Dingo

    Bavarian – you are not popular by a long shot.

    Wheelnut – the point i am getting at is why are people comparing the TRD Hilux to Maloo/Typhoon utes … what have they got to do with the subject or better still – a beefed up off-roader … PERIOD

    For some wacky reasons – the tyipcal Holden/Ford person wants to compare any given vehicle regardless of it’s engineered purpose to the handling of a Holden or Ford regardless wether it being a budget transporter, people mover or a dedicated terrain crawler … i’m sure you can understand were i am going with this.

    Now – comments were passed about the Hilux with ‘why have extra power’ and other weirdo stuff without any recognition that Ford will be launching a FPV Territory and when they do – i can guarantee not a single comment from a Ford wacka will ever passed about it’s elevated CofG compared to that of the rest of the FPV range.

    Other great examples is how the Holden and Ford clowns have been bagging Toyota’s hybrid movement but yet again – now that GM and Ford have announced thier plans – the very same twits will now start yarping on about how great the movement is.

    Better still – the same drongo’s who bad mouthed Daewoo’s for generations are now the same twits trying tell everybody how great they are.

    You get my drift Wheelnut … i’m sure you do.

    And now with Toyota about to release a beefed up off-roader Holden/Ford wackies are saying – it won’t go around a corner like a Maloo Ute …. durrr – REALLY !! Gee wiz, no one would’ve have thought of that sense it ain’t a bloody car. But on the other hand, i can be just as stupid as say why doesn’t a Maloo ute travel on the beach as good as a TRD Hilux.

    And with referance to popularity and respect … WELL HELLA-LOUAA – nut man has spoken.

    Incase you haven’t noticed … Holden and Ford are the companies that are not only losing ‘popularity’ but ‘resepect’ especially Holden with it’s new found fondness of 2 star death trap Daewoo’s and the rest of it’s below ordinary fleet.

    Oh yeah Bavarain – you make sure you give Cobra a call because i will staying on your back until you do. And, i am still yet to sight his contract that you so willingly offered to provide or was that yet just more of BM’s dribble.

    And to be absolutely honest – i believe you and the rest of your circus are not reading or even trying to comprehend what others are putting forward because you people are quick to skirt any real challenges.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dingo…….just got off the phone to my brother ……seems they too have just started buying Hiluxs again mainly cause BHP wont allow 3 people in the front of a 75 series anymore.He also noted that their nick name is “Rollux”

    Although more comfy on the black stuff he says a real rugged ride on the mine sites compared to flat trays! Oh I forgot to say I have 2 brothers in the mining industry plus a best friend whos hubby is a jumbo operator! Not to mention my hubby spent a little time underground himself when we first moved here! So I guess I can comment after all!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Mate my point was that the Hilux had problems in the past…..something you would own up too!And still don’t

    The whole recall debate has been done on VEs……

    Explain why Im wallowing……….where am I wrong in what I have said so far? Get a grip. Why don’t you ring Paul? Oh your not that gooda mates…..me Im off to have a lovely chat to wheelnut……cause thats what honey gets you…..good friends!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Already left Cobra045 a message ……….Im sure he will back to you!

    So are you telling me your mine sites don’t have roll overs with the old hiluxs?

  • Wheelnut

    TOYOTA PAUL … were are you big buddy

    Breaker Breaker.. I’m on Interstate 95.. watch out for Smokey 10-4 [ha-ha]

    The reason people are comparing the TRD Hi-Hi-Hilux to the Maloo and the Typhoon is because thet are all utes which have been modified or enhanced by the various Performance Divisions that are associated with the major manufacturer

    The fact TRD has the word “Racing” in its acronym implies that they are aimed at the same Performance market as are HSV and FPV.. which is why such comparisons are being made..

    Even though the TRD isn’t really in the same class as its more established; respected; desirable rivals – maloo and Typhoon

    The other reason is of course; for years people have compared things to what is the perceived benchmark in a particular industry..
    In the Auto industry BMW is considered to be the benchmark which is why Holden compare the VE to the 5 Series..

    On a smaller scale the Maloo is considered to be the Benchmark for Performance utes.. and due to the inference of improved performance by using the TRD name [a company which like HSV has race relations] the TRD Hilux will also be compared to the benchmark

    PS: Even though there are those who ridicule Holden for comparing themselves to BMW I admire them because without setting goals like that etc we’d still be driving FJs

  • Wheelnut

    Everyone compares themselves/their performance to the benchmarks like BMW.. its just that some are a little more open or Public about it.
    Besides the press/media do it > the general public do it > it makes sense for companies themselves to do it.

    I’m not saying the Maloo is in any way comparable to the Hilux. Yet the reason people will compare a Ute like the maloo with an off-roader like the hilux is because theyre both utes.

    Which is also due to the press medias habit of comparing Apples with Oranges [cars from different classes etc] and because the media does it a number of people will also make the same comparison.
    Even though one is more suitable for off road and the other is more a tarmac terror.

    I’m amazed they haven’t compared a Yaris to a Koennigsegg

    Its like comparing A Landcruiser Personnel carrier or Land Rover Defender with a territory they are both classified as 4x4s even thou the latter would very rarely go off road as much as the former if at all

    Some people go as far as to compare a F1 car V8 Supercar and a WRC Car.. all differnet cars built for different purposes from different backgrounds etc. but [hey] they’re all race cars.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ok Dingo let me spell it out for you a little clearer seeing the Toyota fog isn’t allowing you to see sence!

    First of all for the last time I DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TOYOTA…….

    Secondly……my comment on the Hilux was for 2 things ,initially on the North Pole excursion TG did……..was hardly a Hilux,second that W.A mine sites didn’t use them 75 series mostly and some sites banning them altogether……because of the safety concerns!

    Im not interested in the rest of the comments regarding being sort after in other sectors just the mining industry here, and they haven’t been up till now in W.A, accept it!

    So would you have more roll overs in 75 series cruisers or Hiluxs on average??????? In your wide and vast knowledge of the mining industry…..what does the company you work for mine by the way?

  • realcars

    Toyota build bland shit boxes and we are all mean’t to get excited when they put a set of ugly mags from the global parts bin and a supercharger on it and call it a TuRD.
    As usual another half arsed effort from the worlds largest maker.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – more to the point, what don’t we mine !!

    I’m at a coal mine at the moment – kestral which is coking.

    And another point that hasn’t changed – all mines purchase predominately Toyota … don’t they – wether being 70 series or Lux’s !!

    Apart from a few Nissans – they ain’t much others.

    Realcars – not as half hearted as Holden fleet though ha … Daewoo’s, Rodeo’s and lower spec Commodore’s are not a hearty effort are they.

    I must admit though – Holden did put full heart into ensuring numbered recalls with the VE – thats why it is called a Crapodore.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Absolutely……agree fully on the Toyota predominately in mines have always supported them on that that aspect…….my point was only in the fact W.A don’t use Hiluxs…..well haven’t in the past!

    Now can we please call a truce on the whole post now and discus civilly future Toyota,Holden and Ford blogs without bagging them……..disagree yep we all have our opinions but we don’t need to become disrespectful towards each other.

    I apologize for any previous comments that may of offended you……..

  • TP

    Hey Dingo go look at the Falcon spy shot post… some guy claims a EA Falcon can beat an Aurion!!! If you need a laugh, go their, quite good.

  • Bavarian Missile

    You trying to start something TP?

  • Oz.

    TP: I had a great laugh at your last post. “Go their”? It’s “go there”.

    BM: I have no idea what that “J-Bot” was on about. Maybe he has a boring life? LOL!

  • Bavarian Missile

    OZ……….neither does he !

  • TP

    Oz man you should be an english teacher… only this isnt an english class. BM Im not starting anything, but I dont think readers should be mislead by someone who is totally clueless, an EA quicker then an Aurion GET REAL!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    LOL…..TP where is that claim? Surely he cannot be talking about a stock standard EA!!!!!!!

  • Oz.

    Maybe he was just talking about that tuned EA Falcon Ex-Taxi dragster…LOL!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey NM…….good to see you back…..cheer me up cause I need it !

  • Andrew M

    i was going to comment on a few things that were dribbled as utter rubbish on here but after reading the rest of the posts i forgot where they were.

    BM,
    just a side note RE: Jbot.
    i must be fair in saying that he isnt a toyota extremist. i too thought so at some stages but just the other day Watto and I were having a very fair and civil discussion with him.

    Dingo,
    i wouldnt think you would want to be counting the popularity points either. how many times have you changed your name? what are you running from?
    even funnier than that is i stumbled upon a drive blog (I think it was) and there was the laughing/howling/whatever Dingo. TP obviously doesnt visit that site because there was not 1 person that agreed with or liked your attitude. and you were labelled an “extremist” there too

    I am sooo over the constant B i t c h fighting you so often stir and in an effort to get this back on track i would like to hear your clear cut thoughts on the TRD Hilux for once instead of attacking everyone elses.

    my thoughts are…..
    1. it wont exhibit any handling traits that should be affiliated with such a performance nameplate.

    2.it will be heavily priced with no change from $80K

    3.it is totally pointless having that power off road going through a low range gearbox anyway

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Elephant…..Really ……..I must have missed that!

    Hes had a couple of go’s directly at me ,so I guess Ive taken it a little personal……

    SO HES FRIEND ………..not foe!!!!!!!

    Ill take your word on it as it has credibility! You been busy over the weekend I guess!

  • Andrew M

    i know he (Jbot) has been cited batting excessively for the big T but i have had had a fair and honest discussion with him.
    im not saying if he has a go at you you cant go back at him, Im just saying he isnt one of these “Toyota extremists” and prob a bit un fair to tar him with that brush as i have seen some honest arguments from him.

    yeah had a weekend away from the computer pretty much. i was at the beach cricket!!!! i couldnt knock down some VIP tickets courtesy of Alan Border.
    i got to mingle with the players and had a great chat to “Jacko” off of the XXXX ads (incredibly down to earth guy)

  • Bavarian Missile

    All you ford fanatics…….see what I just posted on the Forum in car talk………

    Wheelnut night night ….luv ya!

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha………did you……..how were the cheer leaders?????hehehe

    VIP tickets…….well I guess you knew you were special already!hahaha

    Jacko…..hahaha..you don’t drink the stuff do you?????Or is that only on Qantas flights? Funny boy!!!!

  • Shane

    gees, what to say with all the tension here??? My 2 cents worth….as I touched in another post I find Toyotas are nice cars. My in laws have a Prado (a couple of niggly issues) which is a nice car, not the best on a long trip though. I have driven the crap out of a Aurion sportivo (what sort of a name is sportivo??? WTF) and was not impressed. Its a nice car but not sporty enough to topple the SV6 or XR6. I drove a Aurion and SV6 (also the SS but that was too much fun and no comparison) back to back. The Sv6 was a far superior vehicle in all aspects. The Aurion felt tired, brakes faded, and gearbox felt sluggish. I have not driven a TRD but hope they make vast improvements in all aspects. As a Ford man I did like the SV6 as an overall vehicle….Toyota still has alot to learn.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    MISSILE, to quote Weird Al Jankovic…..DON’T WORRY BE HAPPY! Don’t know the rest of the words as forget plus he is a crack up!

  • No Name

    Bloody hell things really have hotted up now Mikkas back hey bald missile…mmmmmmm that was a close shave.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha………..No Name…..your in fine form as usual!

    All good now I think……{or hope} ………kissed and made up!

    You been to Brazil????????

  • Cobra045

    Dingo…

    You are a tool.. You say you work for Rio Tinto Mining.. for a start there is no such beast. You obviously work for Rio Tinto Coal or a Contractor of sorts. Rio Tinto Procurement sets the standards as what vehicles purchased. I have been working for Rio Tinto Iron Ore (somewhat larger than the tiny subsidiary you seem to say you work for) for years, and yes I am an Engineer contrary to your dribble in previous emails. Hilux 4wd’s have only just started to be purchased by RTIO again for the first time in years last year. Yes RTIO have 2wd hilux’s and always have. Robe used to buy 4wd Hilux’s before RTIO purchased North. Hilux’s roll over.. simple as that, and thats why 4wd’s were discontinued soem years ago bt RTIO. I suggest you contact you counterparts at RTIO Procurement (that is if you work for RTIO at all) and get your facts straight before you start dribbling again.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thanks for doing the reply for me honey!xxx

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra45 … contrary to your comment – i am employed by Rio Tinto in the mining sector in Central Queensland at Kestral which is predominately coking and am i your humble everday mechanic for site maintanence.

    Let me put this way – i suggest you revisit your procurement authority because new and used Hilux vehicles come and go consistantly and mostly certain HAVE NOT stopped by any means in the past 12 months.

    If you are employed by the same company as myself then you would respect that all vehicle types (light or heavy) topple accassionly becauise of the very nature of the environment that we are employed within.

    As a mechanic exposed to the daily grind of operations during my rostered time on (4 on, 4 off) you can be assured the Hilux (and the other Toyotas with absloute repect towards Nissan) are the most durable site vehicle e and most certainly have not experianced any safety related (or any other issue for that matter) outside of your tyipcal falings in such demanding environments.

    So yes – if you want to continue discussing this topic i will more then willing to participate speaking from experiance of course and not lame comments passed by a drongo glued to a chair.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Drongo glued to a chair…..I have meet him ….hes far from a Drongo……top guy,and very cute.hahaha

    I guess cause hes a Ford enthusist you may conclude that cause he does own an XC Cobra a BF Cobra,XR5…….and has just ordered a 2008 GT500 Mustang!…… See what getting a degree will do for you……

    Ill get him to come on for a chat to you if hes still around…

  • TP

    Im inclined to believe Dingo.

    NM the EA comment was in the ’2008 Ford Falcon Orion Interior and GT Exposed’ thread, the guy says an Aurion does the 100 in 9 seconds… or the some model Commodore with 165kw can beat a TRD!!! This guy is an absolute joke Im sure even you Ford guys can appreciate that, the Falcon has alot of good points (I will admit that) but this guy cant accept simple facts.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Your inclined to believe Dingo over what…… some one in management that knows the problems associated in the whole operation not just in the work bays of a maintenance workshop……..right!!!!Ill back Cobra045….thanks

    I thought as a desk drongo yourself you would have gone with brains!!!!!Not just a mechanic……geez I thought from the way you were going on yesterday Dingo you were Rio Tinto!

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    what are you believing???? theres another one from left field. just keep standing behind dingo nodding ;)

    still in an effort to get it back on track…….
    Dingo what are your thoughts on the idea of the vehicle at hand??
    i gave my clear cut thoughts before I’d love to hear yours minus the insults etc etc etc.

    oh on a side note mate, are you telling us that you have never worn a “Flanny”?
    even on those cold mornings where you need something to keep the chill off you a bit better than a singlet or king gee shirt? Flannys are great for that. you normally would wear one untill you get going enough for the body to keep its self warm. the best bit is you dont have to worry about getting grease or what ever all over it and you dont feel like the “michellin man” like you do when you have a fleecy top on.
    so are you a bogan too or just not a real aussie worker?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Cobra045 will be back at his desk tomorrow ……..to give you a reply!

  • Cobra045

    Dingo

    You are an idiot so a response is hardly warranted. I spent 12 years on site, and was on site when the Hilux ban came in to effect. I was also on site to experience serious injuries including 2 fatals caused by Hilux’s rolling over at speed on gravel access roads. I am not sure from what hole you crawled from, but judging by your inability to state exactly what business unit of RTIO you actually work for, your inability to spell, your total lack of knowledge of RTIO safety protocols in relation to motor vehicle use, a reply is to you is not even warranted. If you actually read my post you will note that I did not state that Hilux’s were banned 12 months ago. Hilux’s are actually purchased again now (started after release of current model) but are not the preferred choice for use on access roads where speeds are expected to be equal to or in excess of 80km/hr. If you are what you say you are, then you will also know that as a result of the hilux rollover rate, and subsequent procurement ban, RTIO introduced rules which require all 4wd vehicles to be engaged in 4wd when driving on unsealed roads at ALL TIMES. The mighty hilux was the reason for the introduction of that rule. Yes I agree that any car can roll over in certain site conditions, however risk assessments have confirmed that the frequency and likelihood in increased significantly in the hilux (moreso the old model) So before you go off shooting from the hip and making statements about me being glued to a chair check your facts.. maybe the petrol fumes are going to your head

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra – i have been employed by Rio Tinto in the mining sector for 7 and a bit years starting at Ensham (Emerald) followed by Jalibah and now Kestral and when i state our operations have never been affected by a Hilux stop sale then i mean exactly that and i most certainly do not appreciate people trying to tell me otherwise.

    You are a Engineer … employed to do what exactly ??

    I am a shift mechanic for site maintenace of which i have been satisfing from the beginning of my employment with the company when i began as an adult apprentice and todate have never witnessed any safety faults asssociated with the Hilux’s or any other vehicle for that matter apart standard protocols that are in place for every operable equipment onsite.

    What i can let slip and that is i have most certainly witnessed my share of accidents often due to neglegent behaviour and you should be able to concur.

    Unfortunately, operational procedures are continuely scrutised when ever an incident accurs of which is generally the end result of either misconduct, negligent behaviour or ineffective maintanence regimes of which is a never ending saga.

    The Hilux on this occassion is no diffenent then any another operational equipment employed not just by Rio Tinto but by any other reputable employer.

    You should also understand as much as myself that operational prodecures/restrictions apply to every employed piece of equipment and not just Hilux’s, Rangers, Tritons, loaders or any other that i can endlessly identifiy.

    For your knowledge, i have absolute awareness about engaging 4wd’s on unsealed roads particular if the surface is light due to dry weather or were elevated risks exists such as unprotected embankments and pedestrain accesses.

    It is because of the very nature of the environment that we are employed within that so many prodedures are introduced of which some are either not even neccasary or just simply ‘over the top’.

    Obviously within your location an issue was indentified with the Hilux yet countermeasure have been employed to ensure the continued and safe operation of the vehicle as with everything else that is operated.

    Now … exactly what part of my employment sector of Rio Tinto don’t you understand considering i have highlighted this on three occasion that i am employed at Kestral (of which is Coal) but then again – i guess your knowledge doesn’t spand much beyond Iron Ore as much as mine doesn’t beyond Coal.

    Knowledge … that is as a it lame as it gets.

    It is obviuos that my knowledge has challenged not just yourself on the topic but motivated Bavarain to be more accurate with her comments. For someone who is supposedly an engineer, your pay attention towards your grammer and sentancing is atrocious.

  • Cobra045

    Dingo

    You work on a tiny minesite that barely even gets a mention on the RTIO website, employs a total of 320 people, produces a quantity of ore in a year that we produce in 2 days, and that isnt even 100% owned by RTIO. You mention rangers and tritons!! I would say that your partially owned business unit is going it alone, and those other 2 models are definately not on the RTIOP radar. You obviously have no knowledge of RTIO procedures or protocols so I am not even going to waste my time responding to you any further.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – obviuosly you have never satified a position let alone one of any meaning.

    It is often due to managment whom believe they exhibit the neccassary knowledge but rarely do why operations can be ongoing sagas.

    Overwhemingly all to often it is the individual that is exposed to daily operations whom exhibit wealth of knowledge and not the person assigned to shuffle paper from one corner of thier desk to another.

    As most bloggers would be able to agree with myself upon and that it is all to common that new prodecures, methods or protocals are implemented with little consultation with the worker often resulting in ongoing and sometimes expensive adjustments afterwards.

    Why … because they believe they exhibited the necesaary understanding often based upon statistics that are wayward from reality.

    But haa … you wouldnt understand because of my opening comment.

    And another issue that has come to the surface and that is you struggle to stand alone when challenge of which has become evident because your tenacy to rely upon others and not yourself.

    Indicates little of your personality – a weak one at the best

    Oh yeah – i am still waiting on those contract details that you offered to supply and this is now the third occassion i have requested you to supply but i guess we won’t be sighting those … right !!

    Obviuosly my question is going to be … WHY !!

    And the way you go on – i thought you were Australian Car Advice but now that your personality has been indentified it is clear you don’t exhibit any individuality let alone intelligence.

  • Cobra045

    Dingo..

    You are a tosser. You think that by playing in a little light vehicle workshop changing air filters you are more qualified to make statements about risk assessments and procurement strategies.. I dont shuffle paperwork you idiot.. I am involved in the design and construction of the mines themselves. It is little minnows like you who dont follow procedures, who cause the very incidents that I was referring to. If you have been at RTIO for the length of time you are claiming to have been, and you dont know the rules.. you are a very sad person indeed.. Instead of refuting what people are saying, why dont you actually ring RTIO Procurement and get the facts. Instead of carrying on like a pork chop when the facts are presented to you, why dont you grow a brain and get the facts and come back and refute what is being said here with some cold hard FACTS. By conducting a personal character assasination of Bavarian without getting the FACTS, you are demonstrating your own personalitty. And I dont need to describe what that is because any person with half a brain here can work that out for themself

  • Cobra045

    I was actually going to ask you a legitimate question about some photos I have received this morning of a dragline under floodwaters somewhere over your way, however I am not sure if you are capable of normal conversation…

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra –

    Kestral, Jalibah, Ensham, The upper and lower Bowen basin, Moura, the local areas of Blackwater and Moranbah are predominately operated by either Rio Tinto or BHP Billiton with many individual sites operated under the same umbrella of which is then covered by the coal segment within the diverse mining sector of Rio Tinto while the harbours of Mackay and nearby Gladstone load extraodinary tonnage of coal for export each year with China, India and Japan being the current dominate recipiants from our location.

    And while we are at it … do me a favour and indentify how a smaller operation is any less demanding on equipment then that of a larger one especially considering the environment in country Queensland is similar to most of that located in WA.

    So how is it any different…

    Correct me if i am wrong but isn’t Rio Tinto one of the worlds most diverse multi-national organisations in the world whom now control Bauxite, Alumina and Aliminium interest aswell not to mention finalisation of their 40 billion dollar procurement of Alcan (Aluminium Canada) whom own the bauxite and Alumina refinement in Gove as an example.

    My father is employed by Rio Tinto Aluminium (BSL – Boyne Smelters Ltd) of which was formly known as Comalco and even within that outfit it is seperated into 3 sectors – mining, Refinery and smelting and that is just one example of the huge operational spance of Rio Tinto so were exactly do you get of suggesting Iron Ore mining in WA is the be all and end of Rio Tinto because let me assure you of this – it is far from it.

    And you should also be aware of the fact that just recently Rio Tinto turned down a take over bid from BHP Billiton with another more healthy offer expected be years out.

    But haa … if you are employed by Rio Tinto you would know that – wouldn’t you !!

    Kestral as with the other examples i listed are all predominately owned by Rio Tinto (nad BHP)with some minor participating parties included and sense i just happen to be getting payed by the soME mob as yourself … i think i would know – wouldn’t you think !!

    CLOWN

    So who is the person whom has no knowledge here …

    Shall we continue !!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Argyle Diamonds – another Rio Tinto controlled op

    And by the way … were is Bavarian Missile with her wealth of knowledge while we at it especially considering she commented that she has life experiance.

    I await her participation.

    Do you know why airbags have been removed from site vehicles on the Reduction Lines of Aluminum Smelters …

    Come on – you are an engineer you should be able to answer that.

    Once again – all part of the wider spance of Rio Tinto so you should have a problem

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra – speak for yourself and most certainly not for me especially considering you don’t me or my work ethics from a bar of soap.

    Until recently when i decided to apply to join Emergency Services for new and greater challenges i just happened to be a crew Safety Rep of which i participated within for a little under 3 three years and it just happens to be hnoest workers like myself who all to often have tolerate f*ck ups by people within your postion especially when they don’t give a toss about maintaining correct and effective maintenace regimes all in order to safe a dollar.

    So finally we understand that you are one of the weirdo,s whom walk around looking important with a folder under one arm and i camera under the next pointing in every direction not knowing which is North from South.

    Head back your office for yet another cuppa just to make another decision that will ultimately cost the company thousands if not millions or billions and then carry on like a skirt when it show of hands for responsibility.

    It is the very dimwits like yourself whom show face when the decissons are good by by ‘criky by jingos’ when it turns sour – we all know the pussies become … don’t we Cobra.

    Go on – go and make yet another decision without consulting those whom probably actually now more.

    Working for Rio Tinto you should understand the term ‘sideshift’ …. those who are quietly moved to another position because of their incompetance of which usually turns out to be people like yourself.

    Sideshift Cobra … theres your new name.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Working on light vehicles – perfect statement clown because sense that’s what this topic is all about, correct me if i am wrong but isn’t a Hilux a light vehicle and i just happen to work on them while you take happy snaps of the coountry side and think to yourself – gee i’ve had a hard day.

    You wouldn’t know what an honest days work is and more so … what a honest working site vehicle from one that’s not

    Once again – we are back at the Hilux issue …

    Take it from me – it’s a bloody tough work ute but haa – you would know aswell because are a happy snap Engineer … right !!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Im here Dingo…….but have been at GYM!

    Seems to me you got your answer from Cobra045…….and you don’t like the truth!

    Argyle……….yep my Brother worked there just before going to Canada……..he has implemented many changes for them{mainly in safety}But I guess you wouldn’t believe what he had to say either!

    Seems like once again you want to turn it into a competition…..who has the most knowledge wins….looks like Cobra045 has provided that!

    Regarding my position well unlike you……I am a Company director….with an Australian and Internation business! But most on this site know that! That aren’t buried in their own little dream!

    Regarding this comment………..wrong!

    Overwhemingly all to often it is the individual that is exposed to daily operations whom exhibit wealth of knowledge and not the person assigned to shuffle paper from one corner of thier desk to another.

    Many in high positions have come from the bottom….and educated themselves to higher rolls taking along with their knowledge of the workers and challenges…..my Brother was an airleger before spending 4 years studying to be an ENGINEER………so don’t assume anything!

    Im off to do some work…..shuffle…shuffle…..shuffle!

  • Cobra045

    showing your stupid redneck colours again.. I have stated facts you merely state your stupid opinion. I have never said I dont like hilux’s. I grew up on a farm and a sheep station and owned many hilux’s. They are a great car, but the fact is they roll over more easily than others in their class, and this was considered an unacceptable risk to RTIO. Nothing you do in your little workshoop will change that!!As I said go and do your homework otherwise shut your gob. Nothing you do in your little workshoop will change that!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – don’t like the truth haa … fairdinkum – you are just killing !!

    Company Director … of what – were people buy thier clown suits from.

    I’ll tell ‘ya what … you are defantly a wacka !!

    And many people are in high positions knowing very little.

    Shuffle alright – shuffled all your way to the Kitchen (GYM) and back to the screen with the chair lodged between the cheeks.

    That said – it appears Cobra’s knowledge outside of Iron Ore in WA is limited otherwise but how did i know more … !!

    Mmmm …

    I suppose you know all about Canada now that your brother has been there. Haa … i guess you even know more about Rio Tinto aswell now that you got to now me a little more.

    Gee … you really are a shuffling woman of the world.

  • Cobra045

    not bad coming from a tool who make statements about aluminium smelters but who has never worked on one!! get that info from daddy did you!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra … so you are a farm boy whom has owned many Hilux’s.

    Watch that chest Mr Engineer – don’t want harm to come your way especially when it gets all tight from biult up anquish.

    And that apple feeling in the throat – don’t you just hate that.

    A Hilux is suseptable to rollovers – really … the very first time i have ever heard of it especially with all the hours i have worked in shops (without a Folder and Camera under my arms) i had never heard of it until you clowns enlightened me.

    Acctually – i have heard of it but no more then the next example.

    Then again – i’m not sure how they can have such a great reputation for a soild off-roader while susectible to rollovers more then others but then again – maybe … just maybe it has nothing to with the vehicle itself but the fact that imcompetant people push things a little to far – negligence, gross misconduct of the use of a company vehicle perhaps hence neceassary protocols are introduced to minimize any further incidences.

    Mmmm … that probably sounds a little more to the point.

    Oh yeah – guess what, nothing that we do in the shop changes the fact that the Lux is a bloody rugged, reliable, dependable and durable site hack either.

    And … as an Engineer i thought you might have offered me an explanation by now why airbags are banned in vehicles of which operate on Aluminium Reduction Lines.

    It’s a Rio Tinto question … carn’t be any easier then that or may be you just don’t have the answer as you clowns so often don’t do at work aswell – probably because you never asked (or better still – listened) to the right person.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Never worked at one … really !!

    Are you absolutely sure about that.

    Sideshift Engineer Cobra

    Maybe … just maybe i worked at BSL before i decided upon an Adult Apprenticeship and applied to work in the mines instead.

    You know – a Rio Tinto company to another.

    Being an ENGINEER, you would know all about that … right !!

    Maybe that’s why i knew more about the broader spectrum of our beloved company that you quite obviously didn’t.

    Ole Feral, flea riddned, tick sucked Dingo isn’t such a goose after all… haa !!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Oh yeah – although i worked for BSL for just a wee while, my ole man has been employed by Comalco / Rio Tinto Aluminium since 1980 starting at Bell Bay in Tassie and now at BSL.

    So yeah – i guess daddie has tought me a thing or two just like your daddie tought you about cows while aspiring to be an engineer for the world.

    Anyway … that’s it from me – lets talk about cars, you know – the typical Holden, Ford, Toyota thing.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Once again you dn’t like the truth Dingo and start insulting people cause you don’t like the answers……

    Cobra045……..I think hes running off with his tail between his legs……….hahaha

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Dingo you a mechanic or a diesl fitter ?????Must be on night shift……ha!

  • Cobra045

    Dingo.. I am now starting to doubt your crap.. I have just made a few calls and it appears most RTIO light vehicle workshops are actually managed by Contractors.. so unless mitsui wants to employ directly and run things differently i would say that you dont even work for RTIO so that is why you dont know what you are talking about!! Its all starting to make sense!! And you can bag Engineers as much as you want because if it wasnt for us you would be out of a job!!

  • Cobra045

    you probably work for eurest or spotless or one of the other cleaning/catering companies that now looks after most light vehicle servicing now for RTIO!!!.. would explain your verbal dribble!!

  • Cobra045

    but if you really do work for RTIO you would be able to tell me where the policies and procedures are on the RTIO intranet, as that is where you will find the risk assessments and policies that I am referring to.. that is if you are an employee and not a Contractor!!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Sideshift Cobra – i will tell you the answer with the airbags.

    Because of the magnetic force generated by 400 odd reduction cells of which consume huge levels of energy… not only does it destroy the magnetic strips in cards (bank, medicare etc) but destroys analogue watches and increases the risk of unnessary inflatment of airbags.

    You should now be an Engineer whom just learn’t something today from a humble gimp.

    Just bare that in mind when next time you are walking around with a note pad and camera tucked under your arm before making a decision that could screw us over.

    EG – overreact to idiots in whom crash site vehicles because of their negligence/misconduct then recommend stop buying the particular driven vehicle until otherwise just to find out later it was not the equipment but rather the idiotic display of the employees instead.

    That’ll pretty much sum it up haa considering the humble Hilux is supposedly back in full swing that i just happened not to have noticed.

  • Cobra045

    interesting you have that perception about safety and management, and RTIO procedures.. I now have a complete list of people at your site, and i have a good mind to ring my counterpart at Kestrel and let him know your views. I am sure it wont take him long to work out who you are based on the info you have provided so far. And i am sure he will be really interested in your insight in to Engineers and mine office workers!! But I wont do that just yet.. How about you just go get lost and stop verballing assaulting Bavarian otherwise I might change my mind!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra – you know as much as myself that contractors are employed across all facets of large corporations.

    Are you sure you are not a ‘contracted’ engineer.

    Much of the heavier duties particularly custom parts are satisfied by contractors off site not on. Of course you could appreciate that equipment becomes obsolete after a period of time therefore require custom attention as they are no longer able to be sourced ‘off the shelf’.

    If you think i am a contractor then haa .. by all means blow your trumpet until you are blue in the face.

    Fine – my superannuation is with Discovery or better known as ‘Disoover Super’ … you know that … right !!

    Put it this way sideshift – my so called dribble is keeping you on the boil… but then again – maybe it’s not dribble but rather some good gear that you weren’t expecting.

    Anyway … we are going no were with this dribble now and i have lawns to mow before the rest of my day is wasted talking to an engineer whom just happens to exhibit limited knowledge outside of his access to the Rio Tinto intranet.

    Do yourself a favour sometime Cobra and step out of your office and spend some time with the ‘lads’

    The odds are – you’ll probably learn just as much from them as they would (maybe)from you.

    That’s only you didn’t indulge intoconversations that encompass the broader spectrum of Rio Tinto of course.

    And … it is an honour that ‘i’ … Dingo … have you on the phone to other parties in an effort to broaden your own horizons.

  • Cobra045

    explain that to Simon your Manager of HSE.. Details have all been sent to him..

    adios amigos!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra – by all means you do just that.

    Infact … i want you too and i will patiently await your response.

    The clock is ticking – don’t make it to long though because my patience is limited and then i will have to start doubting you myself.

    We don’t want that now do wee Sideshift … !!

    Remember – you are an ENGINEER so you are clever.

    Until you stuff up and cost us sh*t loads of money.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Oooow … really, so not only are you an ENGINEER of limited knowledge but one of those clowns who climb the corporate ladder by knifing honest, hard working employees when they have thier back turn against ya because you cannot do battle when looking them in the eye.

    Their is a name for poeple like yourself … WORM / GRUB!!

    So… what exactly is Simon (or was that Simone) gonna have to speak to me about on Saturday when i return to work.

    Hang on – he is only a office dick whom only works between the hours of 11 – 1 weeksdays only if it’s not raining because they’ll get wet otherwise walkimg 20 metres from the front car park to the office

    You would know all about that wouldn’t your Mr Office Engineer.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Thanks Cobra045………I owe you a drink this Friday night!

    I think Alborz will verify Cobra045 emails are coming from Rio……..unlike yours I imagine……hahahaha

    I know why you call your self Dingo……..cause when frightened they run in alsorts of directions……just as you are now! Why don’t you say your wrong for once!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    And you know what Sideshift Cobra – the dignity differance between meself and you is huge because when i go to work i barely get a moment to even check my emails let alone utilise a considerable amount of company time, resources and dollars by chatting allday away on the internet with crap.

    I guess it goes you show that you really don’t do much afterall and that is exactly in line with what most of us workers expect of office clowns anyway and now i proof of it.

    Now that has been said – i don’t expect to hear any more from youself until afterhours wouldn’t you agree.

    You got ‘engineer’ work to do of which suggest ot me that you should be ‘flatout’ unless you are just yet another clobber making the top end heavy.

  • Bret

    Dingo,
    There are three type of people:

    There are those that THINK and there are those that DO. Generally they understand and appreciate each other.

    Then in between there those that DON’T THINK but THINK that they DO! These people usually don’t understand and appreciate the other two, and often attack at every chance.

  • TP

    Just replying to this Hilux ban thing…

    a. Just because a particular site you were on bans them doesnt mean all of them necessarily do

    b. Just because a Hilux rolls and kills someone doesnt mean it isnt the drivers fault!!! People are quick to blame things, scapegoat Hilux! You drive to fast on any loose surface with any car you risk rolling.

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP……..I would suggest you perhaps not comment on this unless you know anything about safety on mines sites.Those that own leases on mine sites take safety to a WHOLE NEW LEVEL……one I don’t think you would understand sorry!

    If mining companies think they maybe at risk at getting there butts sued for not taking responsibility at those roll overs that occur…….they will ban……….its all about risk management! If there is a greater risk some one will die driving a Hilux than a 70 series on a leased mine site then its assessed as a risk…..and Mining Companies don’t like taking risks with peoples lives!……..simple as that!

  • TP

    Ummmm BM your supporting the point I mate!!! The Hilux may well not have a rolling problem, it could have been the drivers fault, but they over-react for safety and ban it.

  • Bavarian Missile

    No Im not Paul…….it does have a rolling problem…….

    No they didn’t over react sorry……..but when its part of driving on mine sites to have your lights on…..as it will reduce the likely hood of an accident….a Hilux that has had
    numerous accidents on site,and even at low speeds as Cobra says then they should be banned!

  • TP

    BM dont try to spin it… your not a journalist… you highlighted they are crazy about safety, they over-reacted over Hiluxes when no doubt it was the drivers fault. ANY CAR ON LOOSE SURFACES CAN ROLL AT SPEED. Comprehende? Id really like to know what design feature, if your going to argue this, makes the Hilux more vulnerable? Its height? Well thats the same the Rodeo and any other decent 4WD… another reason why you dont speed on loose surfaces.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bret – forget the crap and plant your feet back on the ground.

    Bavarian … i think you should stop commenting on the matter aswell because obviuosly this conversation is way out of your league.

    And Bavarian – the Hilux has no more of a rolling hazard then any other vehicle if they are employed and uitiled correctly inline with each and other site equipment.

    One thing about you Bavaraian and that is you DO NOT READ AND NOTE.

    Shit just goes straight over your head… or between the ears – either all

  • Andrew M

    this site is turning into a joke.

    Alborz take note!!!!!!

    I heavily suggest deleting ALL of the irrevelant posts which could be 3/4 of them.

    many of people that might turn up here to read this will instantly turn away as they will become “dumber” for reading half of this crap

    Dingo,
    if you really wanted to get it back on topic then why have you not given me your thoughts on the article at hand when i asked you a couple of times.
    i doubt you do want to talk cars in a civil manner because every time you visit it turns into a one way shyte fight no matter what the subject. i dont think i have seen one genuine post from you that hasnt been you talking yourself up!!!!!!
    if you dont want to be civil then please remove this site from your favourites box

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – i am still waiting to sight Cobra’s employment contract that you were ‘gonna’ provide me.

    That said – i am still wainting on Cobra to get to me !!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    HERE HERE ANDREW M………Dingo cut the cackle and get rid of BS. The site is unreal to the likes of your continuous drivel on this ongoing saga keep on keeping on.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – pull your head in … it takes two (in this case – more) to tango so don’t start acting like a moderator especially considering you have been one of the worst offenders of all in past blogs … you hearing me !!

    My thoughts on the matter … simple.

    Toyota is obviuosly gonna establish itself a unique market with the TRD enhanced Hilux and obviously judging by very early comments – some of you clowns really didn’t have a clue why some of you were expressing negative thoughts about the project.

    Secondly, people display idiotic behaviuor by comparing the handling of a dedicated off-road vehicle to that of Maloo utes (how stupid) while others didn’t have the faintest idea wether it was 2wd or AWD when it fcat it is 4WD as mentioned under the official TRD site but if some of these clowns would actually invest into some worth research then it wouldn’t be neceassary for them to rant and rave on with utter crap.

    Basically … if you are gonna comment on a particular vehicle then get it right instead of ranting way with worthless spill.

  • Andrew M

    gee you are a funny kid.

    so people are ranting worthless spill on here??? NO shyte shirlock ITS YOU!!!!!!!!!

    and you still cant give a civil response!!!!!!!

  • Andrew M

    oh and im not trying to be the moderator im simply telling Alborz if he doesnt pull his finger out and delete these very posts you are “apparently” up set about then this site will gain a very poor reputation.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – be resonable.

    Bavarian passed a comment about the vulnerability of Hilux’s rolling over and with all due respect, i challenged her on the matter. From there Cobra was invited to challnege my response and to by all fairness – Cobra as with other bloggers become offensive every bit as much as myself and that’s what i mean by don’t play the moderator.

    I am not having a go at you by any means but rather instructing that you and other fellow bloggers should start adhering to your own commands as you expect from others and don’t get up set because i have challenged you on the matter.

    It is true Andrew – you are have indeed been on the most guilty parties for inciting off topic conversations partuclarly were TP is concerned so have a think about it.

    Don’t get irrational when topics don’t flow your way. This is a public site for all to use and express themselves and if a rule is fit for one then it is fit for all… yourself included.

    Now .. that’s me being civilised so don’t take it to heart and if you do then have the problem not me.

    I’M BEING NICE !!

  • Watto_Cobra

    Remember that conversation we had a while ago Dingo/Mikka and Andrew.M? re: Toyota possibily pulling out of F1, etc.

    That was pretty civil. What happened?

  • Andrew M

    mate i never took part in the argument so how was i playing the moderator???

    im not getting upset about what ever you claim because yet again i wasnt in the argument i witnessed.

    oh and now im the mostly guilty party????

    your insults are on going and they exist beside every where your name appears and im sick of it. i have tried numerous times to have a civil conversation with you yet every time with out fail you dont partake.

    and now i have the problem and not you????
    go see a shrink about this new found blame shifting of yours

  • Andrew M

    thanks watto,
    yes that was getting somewhere.

    i say scrap all the useless posts and anyone that responded to them whether or not they started it.
    im not playing any moderator as dingo suggests, ive just had an absolute gut full of the rubbish. it is wasting my valuable life and im sick of reading it.
    I AM OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – have you thought about the fact that Cobra and myself may not appreciate having our comments deleted because as you can see – alot of time and effort from both parties has gone into that debate and having it withdrawn because yourself don’t like it is not neceassry a good call.

    How would you feel if you invested considerable time and effort into a debate and often a good part of the day just to have it deleted … i’m sure you wouldn’t appeciate it any more then say myself or Cobra on the matter.

    Alborz – i request you not to delete our comments on the proviso that ‘WE ALL’ tame down our attitudes to a quiet raor.

    Sometimes a lot of effort does go into these topics even if they are of track.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – nobody is making you read anything.

    I am sure you are a grown enough fella to make your decisions what you choose to read and not.

    If you don’t like it then simply don’t read it !!

    Just don’t go around asking Alborz to scrap it because you don’t like it.

    Besides – Cobra and myself might actually like our heard eraned art work. It took both of us a lot of effort and time to construct such a lengthy debate.

    And yes i am still being civilised … just trying to chuck in a wee funny.

  • Andrew M

    yes i am being made read it when i come here to read about the topic to find something else in its place

    as i said earlier just take it to the forum and discuss it there

    it like running carrying on like that in the middle of the mall swearing and screaming. are the innocent shoppers simply to be told they dont have to listen if they dont like it?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Too late Dingo…….this will be my only post till you leave for good and a few others too wont be returning……nothing to do with you winning……….As far as I am concerned both Cobra and I put our case down and were correct and honest with our answers..you however still denied that they were the truth and continued on insulting us from one post to another.Well mate if you wish to stay on the site reading your own lies….then be my guest………as far as I’m concerned I have added along with other bloggrs to this site over the last 10 or so months…..you however do nothing but bicker on about the same old rants! WE ARE ALL FED UP WITH IT!

    “DONT DELETE MY POSTS ALBORZ……..PPFFFFFFFTTTTT…

    Everyone else that I email has seen where Cobra 045 works and what he does…..you however continue to bag him and disbelieve what anyone says.,what the hell do you want…… Proof! We have nothing from you except your a contractor and have been there for a few years APPARENTLY!

    Your right about one thing it will be quiet here now……..by yourself! GOOD LUCK!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – having to listen is one thing but reading is another. No one is making you read anything but your own curiosity.

    Bavarian – you comment to me is uncalled for. Stating that i am a contractor and not knowing otherwise is a little thick wouldn’t you agree, especially when you are one the bloggers going on about being civilised.

    This is what i mean about you can not go around expessing your expectatios without following suit yourself – unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way.

    You carn’t go around stating such coments simply because that is what you assume.

    Correct me if i am wrong on the matter but i believe Cobra gave as good as he took so were exactly to you get of assuming that i wasn’t honest with my answers.

    Because you may not have liked the replies because they went against your case doesn’t mean it is lie or a fabrication of any order.

    With out being rude but perhaps you should work on your tolerance a little more.

    And if you wantt o go then haa … be my guest. This is a public site were people come and go all the time. What does it matter to me or anyone else for that matter.

  • Ross

    With regards to Dingo saying that Engineers are people who “push paper from one corner of the desk to the other”, and haven’t done an honest day’s work in their life… I would like to say this. No matter what you say, Engineers are the ones who went to uni for 4 odd years so they can sit in air conditioned office and get paid more than you while you sweat it out on the workshop floor. :)

    And on a side note… I know MANY Engineers who can do a Mechanic’s job, but not vice versa… I would love to see you do Cobra’s job or mine. That would be a laugh hahaha!

    I wouldn’t have even wasted the time to type this, but you attacked Engineers over and over again in your incessant ramblings.

    PS. Learn how to spell “satisfied” and “aluminium” – it makes you look “not smart” when you keep making mistakes.

    Cheers.

  • No Name

    Time to mve on folks – Period

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Ross – i also know my share of Engineers whom exhibit little common sense if any at all.

    Why is it when a decision becomes a good one with pats on the back handed out you people are present with heads high but finger pointers when decisions go wayway especially when it becomes an expensive fix … makes you people look ‘not smart’

    And it would probably be a good call that many ‘working folks’ could do damn sight better job then some Engineers if they were fortunate enough to receive equivalent training.

    It goes both ways but haa – if you were smart enough you would have thought of that … right !!

    An all to often occurance that makes engineers look ‘not smart’ is when you folks undertake a project without consulting the right people for thier input just to have it go ‘flip side up’ … you know what i am saying – don’t you Ross !!

    Don’t come on here acting smart with me because i all to often have to tolerate the bad calls from people like yourself that others (me) have to tolerate with little concern expressed from the engineers otherwise because they are not the folks whom have to work with their so called ‘smart ideas’ day in day out .. do you !!

  • Cobra045

    Ross, Bavarian and others..

    Just ignore Dingo.. I have followed up his claims about what he (or is it she) does at the kestrel site for Rio Tinto. Lets just say that this person is not who they say they are so I wouldnt believe a word they say. Time to move on.

  • Peter

    Fair enough Cobra… Seeing as Dingo is a liar, there no point talking to him.

    But just one more thing Dingo…. sorry but this is just too good… you said:
    “Don’t come on here acting smart with me because i all to often have to tolerate the bad calls from people like yourself that others (me) have to tolerate with little concern expressed from the engineers otherwise because they are not the folks whom have to work with their so called ’smart ideas’ day in day out”

    So what you are essentially saying is that you have to bend over every time the Engineer tells you to do so! hahahaha! Another +1 to the Engineers!! :D

  • jbot

    Wow you really made a fool of yourself there Cobra045!!

  • tonyn

    wow i have missed so much! should i go and get a flack jacket??

    Seems like a war zone here!

  • Peter

    That’s all you got? You said what I sad was “weak”? haha!!

    By your own admission you have to eat shit everytime you are told to do so by an Engineer hahaha!!!

  • XA580000

    JBOT,I would stay out of it if I was you.

    Why should he Dingo, at least 10 of us know where he works cause where talking to him via email, you however have no one to back you up.All our off line chats are being CC’ed to Matt Brogan and Alborz {who has been busy}

    Keep it up mate…..please! Were all waiting and watching….do you need much more rope????????

  • http://ACA Dingo

    XA – i am at home on my personal computer on my rostered days off (4 on/ 4 off) due back on Saturday and Alborz should know the address of my email … correct me if i am wrong.

    However – i believe Cobra should be at work and if he is … i ask the question what his excuse is for utilising so much of companies time, resources (internet access) and money (paid labour) satisfing his own personal habits when he should be satisfing the duties of his role … !!

    Now – tell me, is that an unfair call particularly if you note the duration of our debate yesterday (all day) without mentioning the so called research he was supposedly conducting upon myself when not typing up a reply to me.

  • Paul

    Geese dingo mate I’d back off if i was you.
    Repeating false things over and over don’t make em true.
    You have claimed victory many times but actually never won – get over yourself, really.

  • Andrew M

    yep im not a fan of those who pat themselves on the back either.
    the fact that cobra was able to find out you work for a contractor AND also able to list correctly the name of your superior AND also sports an official email address is enough to tell me cobra aint the dillusional one.

    so 4 days of 4 on is it? well you have been ranting for a few days now so wouldnt saturday make it 8 or so days off?

    i reckon cobra just rung your superior and said whos that guy that keeps repeating himself and totally full of himself?
    answer……oh you mean xxxxxxx (dingo)

  • TP

    Dw Dingo you will get this from these kind of people… try not to take notice of it

  • jbot

    XA580000, Cobra’s made an arse of himself, and I’m allowed to point that out… You’ve no right to tell me to stay out of this. You new on here or someone who embarrased themselves on here like Roberto or Cobra and decided to change their name??

  • Andrew M

    Jbot,
    just a quick note that dingo has run under 3 names too, and caused this rubbish under all 3

  • jbot

    That doesn’t suprise me haha. But how the hell do you know??? The fact that you know that indicates some privacy issues may be being breached by the site. From what I can tell, you do not work for the site, yet you apparently have access to information like the different names people have used. CarAdvice owes us an explanation if this is true.

  • Andrew M

    this is a repost as i didnt space out the “c” word

    i dont need inside help.

    i just read the simple things like the same repeative stories with exact wording coming from different names.
    when you hear the same life story under different names, and you take note of things like i do, then you figure things out pretty quickly

    also the fact that dingo pretty much admitts he is a name swinger when asked about it

    if it looks like a dingo and smells like a dingo then it is still a dingo regardless of what screen name appears.

    dont get too c-o-c-k-y Jbot,
    i just gave you a wrap in one of the other posts when you were labelled a “toyota extremist”.
    i told of some civil times we had had together to defend your “extremist” labeling due to what you had said

  • jbot

    “dont get too c-o-c-k-y Jbot”?????????????? WTF, how am I being c-o-c-k-y???

  • jbot

    BTW, noticed you had defended me on this post when I read back through it, appreciated.

  • Andrew M

    just the “how do you know” comment accusing me of invading privacy ha ha ha
    but i was just having a light heart go at you with my c-o-c-k-y comment

  • Andrew M

    im not even going to bother.

    i could also pull your last comment to pieces but after i do that you would just jump on the “pat yourself on the back bus” shouting i won i won. just because you type louder doesnt mean you are winning this “argument”

    nice one mate have you seen a shrink about this blame shifting disorder of yours??

    there goes any chance of a logical reasonable discussion of the article in question.

    you have ruined yet another post with your refusal to listen to others

    cya have fun,

  • Bavarian Missile

    Anyone seen Dingo……….seems he/shes gone……yippy!!!!!!

    That was funny ha guys what Cobra 045 found out with the push of a few buttons on the old Rio keyboard! I guess by MEAK DINGO providing the name of the site he was working at and when he was back on shift plus the fact he states where he works would have narrowed that down hey!I mean there is normally only a couple on that go on brake at a time so easy to work that out!!!!!

    Fancy him thinking we were all wrong……..no idea how he came to that conclusion!Has he mentioned that in his previous blogs….not that matters cause there about to get deleted! I sure hope Alborz lets us know when hes coming back so we can all vacate,lets get back to talking about cars again! Oh and anyone figure why he hasn’t replied to any of the CA Forum posts…..maybe cause
    he has an identity crisis!hahahah

    Gee that Hilux pic on the Forum I put there looks bad …..

  • Wheelnut

    A quote from Dingo.. Attacking Andrew M

    “Because you may not have liked the replies because they went against your case doesn’t mean it is lie or a fabrication of any order..”

    It works both ways Drongo.. I mean Dingo

    It’s just a matter of perception; what you understand; what you believe or are willing to believe.

  • Bavarian Missile

    And by the way now that Dingo left us Ford Fairies would like to say we don’t have anything against Toyota’s more than happy to discuss them…its just the extremists that we have issues with trying to ram it down our throats all the time!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    DINGO….gee Frankenstein has his bolts loss on neck is meant to be just fiction. Hey dogman, as you know all about engineering (claims – like WTF who cares!!!), get a Metrinch metric number 24 and tighten em up (dont forget the loctite as geepers we dont want to see your 0.95 over the limit diatribe) as the more you say the looser you getting with your dogma.

    And as with all dogma………..if pain persists see your doctor (LOL, I mean vet)

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Whats with the dingo breeds, theres like a whole litter of em flea bitten varmits all with different names on here.

  • http://ACA Matty

    bavarian, up the list of commets you critised bloggers for enciting misbehaviour but now it appears you are doing the same. i must reside with dingo on the matter. some of you have the attitude of do what i say and not what i do. That attitude holds no respect with many people.apart from that, great reading. excellant and will read more. appears the dog is off his leash and you people carn’t put him back on. i like his no bars hold attitude. makes great reading and a convincing one at that.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Matty………..inciting misbehaviour? How ? By defending myself from out and out verbal abuse……mate if you read all his posts you will see he is the one that incites misbehaviour to start with! Did you see how many times in his last post he uses profanity at us…..that simply shows his people skills and intelligence level…….Mate where not here to entertain you with bickering……Its meant to be about cars,but when one wont acknowledge the fact their wrong they tend to fight back with insults just as it seems he has done since Monday…..his question was answered by Cobra 045 ‘they did ban them from Rio sites in .WA” but he didn’t accept it…so then he starts criticising his credentials…….when Cobra then shows his knowledge of RIO here in the west Dingo starts attaching his job “saying hes a paper shuffler! You tell me how on earth has Dingo won this argument he keeps prattling on about when they are the facts he wont accept!Plain and simple!!!!!!!!!

  • XA580000

    Dingo mate what are the names of the Senior HR Advisor and/or the Manager of HS&E at your site……….we all know!

  • http://ACA Matty

    bavarian, i have read all posts out of entertainment alone and as far as i am concerned, he has been no better or worse then the rest of your mob. i believe he has defended himself aswell but for some reason you refuse to accept his resoning aswell and that is coming from an outside party such as myself. two wrongs don’t make a right do they.
    your reply is far from convincing and quite frankly cobra has failed to answer some pretty straight forward questions. the biggest of all was cobra ranting on with prove he had proven dingo wrong when he did not know the name who he was pursuing. that my lady was a cracker and as blunt as he can be, unfortuntaly others such as myself and nodoubt many other readers can appreciate his stance.

  • Cobra045

    matty..

    with all due respect he is proven wrong as he talked up where he worked and what he did, and made out he knew all about the banning of hilux’s on RTIO WA sites. He has never been here, and does not know what went down. At no point have I refuted what happend on his “alleged” site as I have never been there. However I do work for the same company that he purports to work for, therefore have details of that site at my fingertips which do not concur with what he is saying. I have even emailed management on his supposed site to find outthese details, and all I will say is that it is not all what it appears to be. I also did not undertake to personally assassinate his occupation yet he took it upon himself to do that to me.. if you want to get on the band wagon with him then go right ahead.. believe what you want to believe..for all we know you are actually him using another name..

    to be honest mate i am over it.. this site doesnt need that sort of crap.. its doing fine at the moment with him not here..

  • Wheelnut

    It seems to me that Dingo is “angle parked in a parallel universe”

    In as much that he feels BM; Andrew M; Cobrao45; Watto Cobra and the rest of our “Mob” are misssing the point or even refusing to see the point of his arguement.. yet he is doing exactly the same thing.. But he doesn’t seem to realise it..

    As a result this website has gone from a place where car enthusiasts can discuss various things relating to new cars in a polite friendly manner.. to a slanging match which has got to the point of a “he said she said arguement” and as a result the initial point of the discussion has been lost.. so to has the fun/enjoyment of coming on this website.

  • http://ACA Matty

    cobra, from my angle of the debate, your credibility is questionable becuase you claimed to have proven he was a liar without evening having knowldge of his name. How did you do that and until you explain to the rest of us readers you have no case to go any further.
    and don’t say i am him because i am far from it. i just happen to be an casual reader of not only this site but many others and just happen to drive a Lux myself hence my interest in the story. and no i don’t work for Rio or any thing remotely close to the mining sector.

    i just want to know, how did you prove him wrong without a name. sorry but it is not a hard question or an unresonable one at that. for someone who supposedly does not work for Rio as unsupportively claimed by yourself, he (Dingo)appeared to have had greater knowledge across the wider brim of the company then yourself.

  • Bavarian Missile

    If you read what I said earlier Matty you will see it is by elimination! Very simple when you you have access to a Rio keyboard!

    Quote “I guess by MEAK DINGO providing the name of the site he was working at and when he was back on shift plus the fact he states where he works would have narrowed that down hey!I mean there is normally only a couple on that go on brake at a time so easy to work that out!!!!!

    The rest of us that include myself,Wheelnut Watto,AndrewM,Phoonfan,NM,Ross,Golfschwein,No Name,280ZX,and XA580000 will all tell you that Cobra 045 does work for who he says!Unequivocally correct!

    Thing is Matty…….. Dingo doesn’t have much support on this site! 3-4 and 1 of them is an extremists live himself!
    Theres another old saying if you make your bed then you had better lie in it……apparently Dingo doesn’t!

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha…..like that first line Wheelnut…..
    And of course your correct in making the statement on it being a Car Site…..! So I guess enough finally said on the subject???

  • Wheelnut

    Matty
    I doubt that there are very few people that work for the larger multi-national companies who would actually know in depth or in detail the ins and outs of what the company that does.. let alone the complete history of it etc.

    And anyone that has the time to research such things to such an extent either isn’t dong their job properly.. doesn’t have a life.. or both

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Ha Ha…there is another saying – a fox smells himself and in this case Dingo is on the nose.

  • TP

    Who the f*ck really cares about Dingos personal life tbh… the points he makes here are far more intelligently framed than many of the posters attacking him

  • Bavarian Missile

    AR………hows that TP……? Show me where hes right with those “intelligently framed points hes made??????”!

    Us attacking him……..mate did you see him go off the last 4 days or not? Don’t give if ya can’t take baby!

  • Anthonii

    …lame…

  • http://ACA Matty

    wheelnut, interesting because another point dingo made was about cobra’s extensive use of company time and resources to conduct personal activities at the expense of the company so what exactly are you insisting about who not doing thier job properly. We have seen no evidnce that dingo does not do his job but over the past couple of days, we did see cobra spending an awful amount of time distant from his duties judging by the amount of time he was arguing away. another angle of attack could be that dingo takes greater interest in the company he is employed by or the fact that cobra displays little competancy judging by the time he invested on the internet and not his job and the fact that he seemly displayed less knowledge then his peer about the same company.

    bavarain, after reading through the posts then taking time to re-read more of the heated debates, it is clear dingo is alot more of a switched on individual then most of yourselves would care to admit. wether you chose to recognise it or not, he put forward some strong cases and obviously enough so to have had the effect of ruffling feathers.

    yet, many of dingo’s own questions remain unanswered probably because yourself or cobra are unable because infact you people are the liars. why am i confidant to say that, because once again, how did you prove dingo wrong if cobra didn’t have the understanding who he was asking about. just out of interest, why haven’t any of you made an attempt to answer such a basic, strightforwrd question.

    Draw any conclusion you desire and judging by your input, you are drawing by assumptions yet i am drawing my conclusions from the substance of this heated topic.

  • http://ACA Matty

    bavarian. interesting you mentioned that dingo stated were he worked and when he is due back but that doesn’t tell us (or you for that matter) who he is. i have never been to a mine site but my guess is they are big with alot of people employed across many sections.

    again, who did cobra ask for, just answer that question because if he carn’t then as far as i am concerned, you people are done for.

  • Andrew M

    Matty,
    if you take such an interest in some one elses “soap opera” style life arguments, then go switch on Home and Away.
    would people please stop carrying on with this crap?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Matty we are all starting to think that Dingo’s had yet another name change………….

    # Matty Says:
    December 19th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    This just reinforces the theory that japanese people can build cars, but they couldnt drive a greasy stick up a dogs arse

    Nice post MATTY!!!!!!

    and this one

    # Matty Says:
    March 31st, 2007 at 1:39 pm

    The ute looks shit house from behind, it looks like the back of a statesman, they need to change the ass end of the car for me to want to buy one

    mmmmmmm……so eloquent…….mate you have shown your colours now…….so unless Dingo comes back on here asking the same questions……..your not getting any further answers from us…..cause we are over it!

    I see you have joined the forum too….what no introduction ?Would love to hear more about you ,seeing we have provided you so much…..mate!!!!!!!!!

  • Cobra045

    Matty,

    Hopefully to put this crap to an end.. I spoke to the site tech services manager who is my counterpart. He explained to me how the light vehicle servicing is managed on that site. His reply was in stark contrast to what dingo was leading us to believe. I have no intention of making my conversation with this guy publis on here, least to say that there was an individual on here playing silly games, whereas the majority here are who they say they are.

    Anyway as far as I am concerned its over so why dont we just move on.

  • Cobra045

    Matty,

    for the record mate.. people on here have actually met me and know exactly where i work and what I do.. I dont have to prove anything.

    Now can we just move on

  • TP

    Who cares as Ive stated and the third part (Matty) Dingo puts some damn good arguments forwarded, which are avoided, yet as the Ford camp do they focus on one issue! And as I mentioned previously re Hilux rollover, a mine banning them isnt evidence they have a problem, can SOMEONE provide evidence the Hilux has any more of a problem than any other car on loose surfaces at speed in terms of rolling over.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Yep confirm that!

    Hey babe……you hanging out with that hot chick tonight in the pic?????hehehe

    mmmmmmm did you get the last email I sent you……I thinky it is!

  • Wheelnut

    I feel the reason that BM Watto Cobra; Cobra045 Andrew M and I have as you say “made no attempt to answer” any of Dingos questions id because from other blogs on this website we have come across similar people like Dingo that are so self righteous that no matter what anyone says be it positive negative in agreeance or difference He will most likely ignore it; refuse to accept it

    Ironically they all seem to hark on about Toyotas and sometimes their wealth of ignorance astounds me

    I admit that initially some of us had the attitude that Ford or Holden was better than X.. However; overtime we in The Mob or the Circus [as we have come to be known] have come to accept the opinions and views of those from the other side.. and have got along quite well with eachother

    It’s just that you get the odd ball who is unwilling to listen to views which are dissimilar to their own or even [heaven forbid] make them think about the possibility that they could infact be wrong.

  • Cobra045

    TP.

    I commend you on your last post. If you go back though my early posts you will see that I am actually a Hilux fan.. I think they are a great car and we used to buy them on the farm. All I stated is that the previous model hilux’s were banned for use on RTIO sites for a period of time, in response to the significant number of rollovers that occurred over a short period of time. They are now back on the preferred purchase list since the new model was released and test driven on sie for a few monhs on trial. This was all I ever stated and look what ended up happening.. so how my credentials are questioned is beyond me. I told dingo where to look for this information on the Rio intranet and all I got was a barrage of abuse about being a paper shuffler.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ok give us those arguments again TP…….as usual we are waiting for you!

    You know what I hate……ignorance! People who think they understand something but don’t……….as previous reply’ s TP…..it comes down to risk………Hiluxs are a RISK!

    It all has to do with accidents on mine site………the more incident reports that get filled out on something the safety officers look into the problem……if they assess that continuation with this vehicle may result in a life they will ban it .Simple as that!………..And after seeing the Kluger and 2007 Hilux test on the Forum….maybe they had a point!!!!!!

  • Cobra045

    no BM I did not get your last email.. I was in meeting most of the afternoon… (shuffling papers)

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP………..I know you wont believe it but Cobra 045 is telling the truth …as a Prado owner as well as a Ford supporter{ya can do both} he supports Toyota…..so stop preaching!!!!Its a safety issue thing on mine site…..get over it!

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha….now Cobra thats just being a bitch…leave that up to me!!!!!!hehehe

    Guess you’ll get it tomorrow! Or ring me honey!xxx

  • Cobra045

    do you have my home email address?? that was the first one i gave you

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ok I give up no idea why my last post was moderated 3 times……..

    Anyhow..Cobra off to watch something ……..chat tomorrow…as usual…us paper shufflers….hehehe

    LUVYA

  • No Name

    Madamme Missile you bieng naughty again….Naahhh never

  • Bavarian Missile

    Honey……….at our age……what ever we can get

    Me Im still a petrol head for decades to “come”

  • http://ACA Maty

    Bavarian, none of those posts are from me and you have my word on that and i certainly haven’t joined no forum. to save any further confusion i will use 1 ‘T’ in my name not 2 as i did above yet obviusoly someone has the same name as myself. then again, more prove your assumptions without holding evidance.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Maty with 1 T now……..well you have our word that Cobra says who he is but you don\’t believe that……do you! So why should we you!

    Still think your Dingo!

    Who cares anymore….not us!Stop asking questions on Dingo mate,not your job to defend him!

  • http://ACA Maty

    cobra, hang on there mate. In dingo’s defence here, he never said anything about how they do business onsite except that the heavier jobs including custom parts are done off site by contractors while the other tasks done on site of which is inline with your light duties comment because quite frankly, i never sighted dingo stating otherwise so as far as i am concerned, it is you who are the liar here because you still haven’t provided us with a name of the person you asked about.

    bavarian, you were the one who said it, hate ignorance and people who don’t know what they are talking about. well guess what, from were i am sitting and after re-reading through the bulk of the posts again last night, you just perfectly described yourself, you fit that moulding prefectly.

  • http://ACA Maty

    bavarian, you can think i am dingo as much as you want that doesn’t bother me in the slightest and judging by your imput, i wouldn’t be so hasty to pass critism towards other people. i came here as an outside party scanning my eyes across topics and the reason i am staying here (for now) becuase i am starting to understand dingo’s anquish with you people.

  • http://ACA Maty

    who are you to stay it is not my job to defend him. it is what you say bavarian that downs your own standing not so much that from others. i am starting to believe you are a very silly person.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote from Maty

    bavarian, you were the one who said it, hate ignorance and people who don’t know what they are talking about. well guess what, from were i am sitting and after re-reading through the bulk of the posts again last night, you just perfectly described yourself, you fit that moulding prefectly.

    Realy Dingo………..sounds like I have a better understanding of what happens on mine sites than you! Seeing I have 2 brothers in the mining industry ,a husband that worked underground briefly and I lived in a mining town for 5 years!

    So you mean to tell me your not Matty,your MATY and that you were just passing by this blog and thought you have your first ever post here,have you commented on anything else? Right mate what ever! You on days or night shift tomorrow Dingo/Maty.

    You ever going to discuss cars mate?

  • Cobra045

    Maty.. you dont get it do you.. this all started when Dingo disputed something that I said.. in response I told him where to go to get the proof on his own ‘alleged’ employers intranet. But instead of embracing the truth he commenced a personal attack on a number of people. All he has to do if he wants to prove me a liar is look where I told him to, and if its not there I will eat humble pie. If he doesnt have access to the RTIO intranet it means he is not an employee of RTIO. He doesnt seem to be able to pursuethat one any further. Notwithstanding that, I have already stated that the light vehicle servicing at his ‘alleged’ site is not managed in the way he purports it to.. that I found out by quite simply making a phone call to a person from that site. I have found outthe facts.. if dingo disagrees then all he has to do is prove me wrong and state some facts. Until now he has not stated one single fact..

    anyway as i keep saying lets just move on.. Drongo (oops dingo) is not here so lets just talk cars shall we. By the way you seem to make the same type of spelling/grammar mistakes as drongo.. must just be a coincidence

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra … you are absolutely full of of it. Not only did i prove that i work for Rio Tinto by simply engagedg greater knowledge about the company , named super company, mines, my roster, postion with in the company, other sites i have worked out etc but it is infact yourself who can not grasp the truith.

    If you want to keep going then lets do it.

    Firstly … give me the contact details of security and i will have them direct myself to you. Even better, give me your Rio Tinto contact details and i will contact you from my Rio Tinto email address tomorrow.

    Will that be enough … once you prove who you are then i will prove who i am..

    I will be waiting your contact details. Not personal just your associated work contact details [referably email and i will follow suit.

    Secondly, as i stated, all (and i mean ALL)light duties on sight are conducted onsite while the remaining bulk is cotracted off site.

    But haa, before we go any furher we will varify each others positions … won’t we !!

    LET THE HEAVIES BEGIN – GIVE ME YOUR RIO TINTO EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL FOLLOW SUIT TOMOROOW BY EMAILING YOU FROM WORK.

    DONE …

    and don’t you dare quirk out on me either because i am a man of my words – lets see if you are.

  • Cobra045

    listen here matty, maty, drongo and whatever you call yourself. I am not interested in playing your stupid games any more. I know all I need to know about you, so how about you just go away and play your games with somebody else. I dont have to justify anything to you.

    By the way you have yet again made the same spelling/grammar mistakes that matty and maty make. Again that must ne a coincidence.

    If you want to know my identity, why dont you go and speak to the Technical Services Manager on your site and ask him. I am sure he would like to know who you are, now that he has a copy of your feelings towards safety, management and better still, Engineers (considering he is an Engineer himself)!! I am more than happy to give you his name and phone number on site.. But you should already know those. If he feels he wants to give you my contact details that is for him to decide.

  • Titan

    You’re all worse then a bunch of pre-school kids

    ffs grow up… This site is rapidly losing its appeal

  • Cobra045

    so there you have it idiot.. your tech services manager (thats if you work there) knows who I am am.. so I challenge you to make yourself known to him.. He is very keen to find out who you are.. and by the way he has all the info that I have written on here as well so dont think I only sent him half the story!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    cobra … you are obviuosly don’t want to go any further because you are infact the liar here not me.

    I am all to willing (and still so) to take you up on my challenge above but you however have skirted around with crap i am not even sure what you are going on about.

    How do i know who i am talking about with my tech manager if i don’t have a name or contact details to enquire about myself.

    That’s the end of this from my angle because you have constantly and consistantly skirted my challenge in hope to save face.

    NOW WE KNOW THE TRUTH !!

    oh yeah, i am not matty or maty but i certainly appreciate his following none-the-less.

    cheers

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra … YOU QUIRKED OUT ON ME !!

  • Bavarian Missile

    No ………we have just had enough of you!

  • Cobra045

    which part dont you understand!!
    tell you tech services manager that you are the guy referred to in the phonecall and email from me yesterday.. its not difficult.. he knows who i am, he just doesnt know who you are.. I am not skirting the issue I just have no intention of giving you my personal details.. you are a nutter so giving that info to you direct would be a bit stupid wouldnt it.. or is it that you are too scared now that he knows what you throughts on safety, management and engineers are..

    you dont have the balls to speak to him

  • Cobra045

    and why does the tech services guy get confused when I mention that you are Rio Tinto employee and you work as a light vehicle mechanical tradesperson.. is their something you failed to tell us??

  • Bubba Ganush

    Is this ill show you mine if you show me yours bollocks over yet?

  • Cobra045

    all that has to happen is the person responsible for moderating needs to get rid of him.. he keeps popping back as different names trying the same personal attacks

  • Bavarian Missile

    Exactly………..

  • jbot

    These “personal attacks” have gone both ways cobra and BM (especially you BM). I don’t think you should be making comments like that.. Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

  • Bubba Ganush

    just ignore him. Sounds crazy but it might just work guys like that thrive off reactions

  • Cobra045

    do you want to tell me where I attacked him personally?? I checked facts and provided that information.. as far as his occupation etc I have said nothing..unlike him making judgememts of my occupation etc and making scathing comments about it..
    I deal in facts end of story.. and if am attacked personally I will defend myself.. all I ever did was make one statement.. that Rio banned the purchase of hiluxs for a few years.. its a fact!! and a published one at that.. ever since then I have done nothing but defend what I said (using facts) and defend myself from his verbal barrage

  • Cobra045

    Bubba.. you are on the money there.. but he keeps questioning my integrity and that really annoys me!! most of his attacks on me are when I am not even around.. so I get sucked in.. how about I just try and ignore it.. the problem then being his so called alias’s then come in and then it all starts again.. maybe just need to avaoid the issue full stop with whoever raises is!

  • Bavarian Missile

    These “personal attacks” have gone both ways cobra and BM (especially you BM). I don’t think you should be making comments like that.. Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

    We know that JBOT………..but if he had of been removed by now it wouldn’t have continued…..!!!!!!!Especially me….pfttt like I care what you think????????

  • Bavarian Missile

    Not to mention he should have come on to the Forums if he wanted to continue instead of turning this blog into a biff and barg session.The whole bloody blog should be deleted!

  • Oz.

    jbot, all I am saying think about your own personal attacks first before you complain about others doing it.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra … YOU QUIRKED ON ME !!

    Your Rio Tinto email address, PLEASE… not your personal, i don’t give a damn about that.

    So, what do i do … go and see the tech service person and ask him …. did you have a phone call from ‘someone’ from ‘somewhere’ about ‘something’. Apart from the fact that they’ll probably just stand there and look at me like a twit, they’ll probably say i get phone calls alLday.

    Lets just keep third parties to the side and deal with this directly.

    Please, give me your Rio Tinto email address and tomorrow you will learn more about meyself when i reply to you from my place of employment that way third parties are to the side and it is just you and me.

    SIMPLE … APART FROM THAT – YOU KEEP QUIRKING.

    No confusion … just wondering why you are reluctant – something you are not telling me !!

  • Cobra045

    no quirking.. just not interested any more.. people here know where I work so I have nothing to prove, certainly not to you

  • Cobra045

    if you want to know who i am.. ask your tech services manager.. I am sure there is only one person who has called him and emailed him yesterday about a light vehicle service person on his sit, so he will tell you. I am sure it wont be the only thing he tells you.

  • Dan

    Recently stubbled upon this site, and I would like to share a few of my findings based on this post:

    1) Dingo is annoying
    2) Bavarian Missile is up himself
    3) Cobra045 makes a lot of sense, but I don’t understand how he knows about Dingo if he has no name or email or phone number to go off.
    4) Andrew M and a most others seem capable of a civilised discussion.

    The people who don’t wan’t to talk about cars should join the forum, and stop ruining a great source of automotive information.

  • Oz.

    Dan, good point there, but Bavarian Missile is female! [b]It’s normal for a female to talk like that.[/b] If it were a male, yes he would be up himself.

  • Andrew M

    oooops my mistake i stumbled into the soap opera posts by mistake.
    Sorry, carry on dont mind me, im only chasing the VEHICLE posts page.
    anyone know where thats gone?

  • TP

    BM where is your evidence that the Hilux has any rolling problem? As usual you people talk BS.

    I did a quick google search and came up with NOTHING!!! The only thing remotely similiar was a stability test by the police, which suprise suprise showed that cars with a higher centre of gravity are more roll prone.

    The fact is the Hilux doesnt have any more of a rolling problem than any other cars in its class… when considering speed on loose surfaces, even compared to most cars on the market! In fact one thing my google search revealed is many videos in forums with people saying to the effect of ‘how the hell didnt that Hilux roll’ over rough terrain. Perhaps burst this mine bubble, which seems to have unfairly treated the Hilux, and take in the whole picutre where the Hilux has a intenrational reputation as the ultimate all purpose vehicle.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    man you must have a lot of spare time on your hands if you are able to live every inch of your life through Google.

    didnt the stability tests (where the Kluger and Hilux Rolled) get run against competitors under the same conditions?

  • http://ACA Dingo Mikka

    Cobra … i don’t want to learn anything from anyone but from yourself – straight from the horses mouth … RIGHT !!

    Andrew … it appears Cobra has alot of time on his hands at work to – haa !!

    At home … fair enough – at work … well, i reckon Rio would have thier fair share of questions to ask, wouldn’t you agree.

    TP – I LIKE IT !!

    Cheers

  • Andrew M

    mate i couldnt give 2 hoots what cobra does with his time whether it be at work or not so why are you trying to get me to agree with your theory?

    for all we know he might be on a salary with oodles of time in lou, therefore if he wants to relax for an hour or 2 during the day then im sure RIO wont care either.

  • TP

    Andrew what kind of a dumb comment is that… a 5 minute google search, Cobra seems to be the one as Dingo rightly points out with plenty of time on his hands, at the expense of whoever he works for. So lets not talk sh*t and try to side track, I WANT BM OR ANYONE TO SHOW ME SOME EVIDENCE A HILUX IS MORE PRONE TO ROLLING THAN ITS COMPETITORS. This should be any easy task given the claims made by people here… what I find funny is there is no evidence through google that the Hilux has rolling problems… now we now there is alot of BS flying on the net which can make it to google, how can these such valid claims not even make it? Because they are FALSE.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    you missed my point

    what i was getting at is you have got to stop using the net as you bible and source for instant information. yes you can find stuff on it but it only makes you an internet warrior.

    im not trying to side track,
    ive been saying all along who the hell cares about each others personal life. i havent changed my tune, all along ive been saying get over it.

    Im prob the one who has posted the most appropriate comments to this page. not even you toyota fans give a toss about the TRD hilux do you? you just want to stir the pot

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP…………well if you went on the Forum you would dee the post there on the Hilux test that it failed! KNOB!

  • Bavarian Missile

    oh………AND Dan the man……….we are on the Forum and I took the fight over there but no one followed from the Toyota extremist club!

    You can’t of read much in the way of my posts cause as OZ says you would have known I’m female……muppet!

  • Watto_Cobra

    I tend to agree Andrew.M. Anything I see on the net I take with a grain of salt. Really, anyone can put whatever they want on the net. There are some sites I trust for honest info, plenty I don’t.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Speaking of false claims TP, how about the one where you said I attacked MASH on the ZR6 Sportivo blog? I’m still waiting for you to re-address that claim, or apologise, whichever is easiest for you.

  • TP

    BM I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PROVE THE HILUX HAS A ROLLING PROBLEM…. YOU MAKE THESE CLAIMS ACTUALLY BACK THEM UP FOR ONCE!?!!?!

    As for the rest of you, stop trying to sidetrack, that is ALL your trying to do… Cobra with his ‘go look at this area’ and Andrew with his ‘oh net isnt reliable’. Andrew mate it doesnt matter if it isnt reliable, IN FACT if thats the case then the Hilux should have some sources saying it does roll whether thats a lie or not. THE FACT IS, THERE IS NOTHING ON THE HUGE RESOURCE THAT IS THE INTERNET WHICH I COULD FIND THAT SAYS THE HILUX HAS A ROLLING PROBLEM. Remember the Hilux is internationally, the odds of there not being hits on such as search given the Hilux’s exposure if it did have a problem with rolling is ridiculously low. FACT IS IT DOESNT HAVE A ROLLING PROBLEM.

    Perhaps the caps locked sentences will actually get drilled into your heads… AWAITING EVIDENCE.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote

    BM I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO PROVE THE HILUX HAS A ROLLING PROBLEM…. YOU MAKE THESE CLAIMS ACTUALLY BACK THEM UP FOR ONCE!?!!?!

    What the………..do you read what people say!

    Maybe I should type slower…….

    IF YOU GO TO THE FORUM……..heres how you get there

    scroll to the Top of the this page…….now between Spy Photos and TV it says FORUM…….FOUND THAT!

    Click on that…………then click on Car Talk…….you see numerous posts with Toyotas in them that neither you,Mikka or JBOT have commented on so far…..why ! Thats where this crap should be not on the CA site!

    Anyhow can you find the Hilux fail thing I put up……put your black rimmed glasses on if you cant……I know its hard to read cause its got Hilux and Fail in the same sentence…… Have a read and watch the clip……..! The scary thing is this is a 2007 model!!!!!!!

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    mate you just said the net is a huge place and you couldnt find anything, and in your previous comment you said you only did a 5 minute search.

    mate i cant find a piece of paper in my office in under 5 minutes even when i know exactlly what im looking for.

    it is obvious that Rio dont publicly publish their documents on the net, or that Wheels dont either in order to get people to purchace their magazines, and motor musnt either. these are people that have had problems with toyota rollovers.
    dont take offence to it mate, cause i know you arent responsible for the rollover.

  • Andrew M

    oh and its good to see you dont see it as important whether or not your sources are reliable

  • http://ACA Dingo Mikka

    Bavarian – why go to a forum when all the fun is right here. Actually, if the FORUM is so good …. what are you even doing here !!

    Keep your forum – NOT INTERESTED.

    Everything i want is RIGHT HERE … were you are, may i remind ‘ya

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    thats why i say the whole argument should be simply picked up and dumped in you very own titled land of fun.

    have you even commented on the TRD Hilux concept yet?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dingo………..what am I meant to do answer from the Forum! Why wont you go over……. as Alborz said……..thats where this argument should be!What ya afraid of! I guess your not interested in the facts then or the clip on the Hilux!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Here you go seems you don’t know how to join a Forum so Ill past what I found here for you……the clip on the test you will have to find yourself……..geez I though I was over wiping kids noses!!!!

    “”Gee maybe Dingo can grow some gonads and come on to the forum and argue with me…..ppffftttttt I doubt it too many split personalities and only only girly email address!………This is what I found on the test performed on the 2007 Hilux……click on the link to check the pic out! If you speak swedish tell me what their saying….hahaha :D

    You may remember Sweden’s infamous Älgtest (a.k.a. Moose or Elk test). A kamikaze professional driver guides a fully-laden vehicle (simulated passengers, genuine cargo) down a closed course at 35.5mph. He/she then swerves to avoid an object, then swerves back; simulating the manoeuvres needed to to miss both an errant moose and oncoming traffic. Back in ’97, pictures of Mercedes’ newly-launched A-Class flipping over during moose testing led the German automaker to retrofit every single car sold with a new Electronic Stability Program module. And now those crazy bastards at Teknikens Värld have put the Toyota Hilux through the same test — with similar results. (TTAC’s American readers may remember the Hilux as the previous generation Toyota Tacoma pickup.) The video in the link brings back memories of the 1988 Consumer Reports exposé on the Suzuki “Somersault” Samurai. Anyway, hands-up anyone who thinks Toyota is going to retrofit ESP on old Hilux pickups? Yeah I thought so.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Waiting for you to come back and and say”THATS NOT CONCLUSIVE”…………..come on ya know you want to!!!!!!

  • TP

    I dont go to the forum as its even more Ford based then this area. I did look at this ‘evidence’ out of curisity… where is the Rodeo… BT-50…. Ranger? Ive said already I DONT THINK IT HAS ANY MORE OF A ROLLING PROBLEM THEN ITS COMPETITORS. All they provided was the Triton, which as a poster highlighted a quick timing by myself shows that it appears to be travelling slower through the course. Supporting this point I make re these SUVs is the police tests, which shows the Rodeo had among the highest indicidecne of roll overs in the Police force. So, again, please provide credible evidence the Hilux has a rollover problem? I find it hard to belive if this is true that there would only be one backyard test on this and not articles all over the net

  • Bavarian Missile

    Paul……….you wanted proof…you got it accept it..

    Forum Ford based………..what!

  • http://ACA Dingo Mikka

    Andrew – i did… scroll back and have a wee observation for yourself. Just remember – yourself and others have been hard at this too so don’t start acting like you are the good fella here beause like myeslf … you are far from it. Infact, that goes for ALL OF US

    Bavarain – name me one single automotive manufactuer that is gonna retrofit ESP to thier earlier cars.

    I will be awaiting your reply !!

    Oh yeah – name the company that is most highly recognised and respected for thier commercial vehicles … !!

    And you still didn’t answer me – what are you doing here … your at a formum now, REMEMBER

  • Bavarian Missile

    Bavarain – name me one single automotive manufactuer that is gonna retrofit ESP to thier earlier cars.

    “WHAT THE HELL HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING?”POINT WAS THAT IT WAS USELESS”YOU WANTED PROOF YOU GOT IT”

    Oh yeah – name the company that is most highly recognised and respected for thier commercial vehicles … !!

    AGAIN I REPEAT MYSELF….I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST TOYOTA…..THIS WAS PURELY ABOUT HILUX ROLL OVERS…GIVE UP YOU HAVE YOUR PROOF!

    And you still didn’t answer me – what are you doing here … your at a formum now, REMEMBER

    ONCE AGAIN….I DID ANSWER YOU…..I SAID HOW AM I MEANT TO ANSWER YOU WHEN YOU WONT GO TO THE FORUM….WHAT IS IT THAT THE TOYOTA TRIO ARE SO FRIGHTENED OF GOING TO A FORUM….???GEE WE EVEN HAVE POSTS AIMED AT YOU!

    WHAT DO YOU DRIVE….?????????

  • Dan

    Grow up Bavarian. And BTW, it doesnt matter if you are male or female, you are still very much up yourself..

  • Bavarian Missile

    Growup………..DAN THE MAN……!!!! Sorry if I want your opinion ill ask for it!

    Honey if I don’t love me no body else will!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Oh and is this you last year??

    YA GOT THAT RIGHT BUDDY!

    # Bavarian Missile Says:
    September 18th, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    Hey Dan you have miss read Azza as he was answering idiots post that has since been removed as he was vulgar. Azza was supporting BMWs .

    # Dan Says:
    September 18th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    sorry man,

    I always put my foot in it!! haha..

    I didn’t see that guys posting’s…

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarain – so what you are saying is that no other manufactuer is going to rerofit ESP onto thier earlier models either … if that’s the case – why ask say such a stupid question wether Toyota is going to.

    If you have nothing against Toyota then why dig them at any oppurtunity. Then again – you are full of it.

    Forum – why do i need to go to forum to have my questions answered … any reason why you can not do it here !!

    What’s wrong with these blogs ??

    Better still … why don’t you bring everybody under the forum over to these blogs instead.

    LOST ME !!

  • Dan

    Not me Bavarian. Only found the site in DEC ’07.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Did you see the clip……..It wasn’t anything to do with retro fit ESP………the point is it needed it so it wouldn’t fall on its lid!Then again that didn’t work in the Kluger test for Wheels ………hahaha

    I don’t have anything against Toyota if you actually went to the Forum looked up members you will see I had some! This whole weeks argument is over the fact that when I said Hiluxs were banned on Rios mines sites cause of roll over problems,you denied it! Cobra045 answered you with a yes they were….you didn’t accept it.I mealy showed you that Hiluxs have roll over problems……something you still wont acknowledge!

    Why cant I answer your questions here……well I am ! But when it comes down to out and out personal insults do it on the forum if you want to biff and barg off topic.

    Mate we go to the Forums to actually discuss cars……something that we don’t seem to be doing here any longer…..ITS NOT GOOD FOR THE REPUTATION OF THE SITE IF IT KEEPS CONTINUING………

    So what do you drive………??????????

  • Bavarian Missile

    So Dan……..with one N too, when is that new outlander turning up? I take it that one was your post in December on the Outlander blog????????

  • Wheelnut

    Bavarian – “Honey if I don’t love me no body else will!”

    I Couldn’t agree more. Self confidence or self esteem is what drives most of us

  • Bavarian Missile

    hey you……..thought you were doing some DIY around the house?

    Power dress baby!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Andrew M

    BM,
    Dingo drives a 2003 4cyl manual sportivo camry. he also has an older model camry.

    Dingo,
    i couldnt give a toss about mine sites and yes if you do scroll back up you will see many times i probed for your input on the vehicle, yet you arent interested. you are too busy trying your little heart out trying to discredit everyone on here even if they have done no wrong

  • Bavarian Missile

    BM,
    Dingo drives a 2003 4cyl manual sportivo camry. he also has an older model camry.

    Really………….so hes a real performance driver…….hahaha

    Well said AndrewM……..but you know there is no way to plug this genie back into his bottle!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – what you are not accepting is that as a member of Rio Tinto myself and on the floor and not in a postion of shuffling paper and devoting my entire working day socilising on the internet – the sites i have been exposed to have never experianced any Hilux bans or rollovers any more then the next vehicle and when they do – more often then not investigations reveal it is due to employee misconduct or negligence.

    Because of my own experiance – i have been in the position rightfully being able to challenge Cobra’s comment and you have hated the fact that i have ensured that you people stay truthful and not wallow away with crap like you have a habit of conducting.

    For someone who is employed onsite with motor vehicles, you expect me and the rest of us to accept what you are saying of which is coming from someone who can not stand alone but on some elses bearings instead.

    Your credibility has taken a pounding over the last few days and while i am at, i’m gonna challenge any comment on any Toyota related topic that i consider is not truthful and that way i can stop you from wallowing. Basically – i will make you think alot more carefully about what you say.

    I NOT GONNA TAKE ANY OF YOUR SH*T BAVARIAN SO THINK HARD BEFORE TYPING AWAY, IT’S YOUR REPUTATION NOT MINE

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    i got a serious question for you or your toyota buddy,

    toyota dont do a Rav 4 here in diesel right?
    so what are the models that have a scoop on the bonnet that appears to be an intercooler?

    would these perhaps be ones people have imported themselves?

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew … think about what you are typing. For the past few days you have been trying you little heart out trying to discredit myself but it just hasn’t happened has it.

    That said, apart from the very beginning – i have not witnessed any topic related comments from yourself either so what exactly are you trying to suggest to me that you are not giulty of yourself.

    Forget about trying to get away with sh*t because aslong as i am visiting this site – take my word for it … it ain’t gonna happen !!

    I can keep going for as long as you want because i have very little acceptance or tolerance towards people like yourself who speak from ar8e

    Regarding my cars – put it this way … neither of them have silly, fake Cobra strips running down the top of em in some poor, half hearted attempt to make an ugly AU something it is light years from… Oooch

  • Wheelnut

    AndrewM – The RAV4s which have the Bonnet Scoop are the RAV4 Sport models.. My cousin had a 05 SWB model in a shocking peppermint green colour it came with a bodykit; driving lights unique alloy wheels / badges and the bonnet with the inbuilt scoop.. although wasn’t turbocharged just the normal 2.4 litre

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – i have absolutely no idea and have often asked myself the same question.

    Why don’t you answer it for me and then that way you can have another one up on me.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Wheelnut – just wondering if you are gonna give the name of the place were you work … just curious about your earlier comment that’s all.

    Cheers

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote#

    Bavarian – what you are not accepting is that as a member of Rio Tinto myself and on the floor and not in a postion of shuffling paper and devoting my entire working day socilising on the internet – the sites i have been exposed to have never experianced any Hilux bans or rollovers any more then the next vehicle and when they do – more often then not investigations reveal it is due to employee misconduct or negligence.

    “”DINGO……….The whole point was in W.A………nothing to do with what you experience! “”

    Because of my own experiance – i have been in the position rightfully being able to challenge Cobra’s comment and you have hated the fact that i have ensured that you people stay truthful and not wallow away with crap like you have a habit of conducting.

    “”Because of your experience…..over what the 2 years you have worked there in the light vehicle workshop! You have no idea what happens in the safety side of things that are handed down in upper management! What was crap…..come on tell me where was I wrong in anything I have said! Come on!!!!”"

    For someone who is employed onsite with motor vehicles, you expect me and the rest of us to accept what you are saying of which is coming from someone who can not stand alone but on some elses bearings instead.

    “”What?????????????? You want Cobra045 to confirm about the Hiluxs in W.A ……for the 50,000 time……..hes done that!”"

    Your credibility has taken a pounding over the last few days and while i am at, i’m gonna challenge any comment on any Toyota related topic that i consider is not truthful and that way i can stop you from wallowing. Basically – i will make you think alot more carefully about what you say.

    “”My credibility is fine mate on this site…..it your mental stability we are worried about! Mate I always think before I speak…perhaps you should too!”"

    I NOT GONNA TAKE ANY OF YOUR SH*T BAVARIAN SO THINK HARD BEFORE TYPING AWAY, IT’S YOUR REPUTATION NOT MINE

    “”hahaha………ouuuuuuuuuuuuu hes angry now! The caps lock is on!hehe Mate ill always get more backers showing my reputation on the site is gleaming…..yours…..seems you have your Toyota Trio and a few one post bloggers that come from no where to make any comment….that is still nothing to do with the subject anyway!”"

    As far as Im concerned this is done and dusted.

    Cobra has told you that RIO banned them here…….accept it

    I have shown you proof that Hiluxs…….. HAVE A PROBLEM ROLLING ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON BUDDY!

    You on 8,10 or 12 hour shift today??

  • Bavarian Missile

    Wheelnut – just wondering if you are gonna give the name of the place were you work … just curious about your earlier comment that’s all.

    Cheers

    Pfttttttt…….why would he……..why do you have such a problem with what people tell you! You think it impossible a company would ditch Toyota over another manufacturer! If so maybe you should get a job as a Fleet salesman for Toyota if you really want to save big business from making the ultimate mistake and that’s moving to another manufacturer! !!!!!hahaha

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Dingo] I’m gonna challenge any comment on any Toyota related topic that i consider is not truthful

    So what you are saying is that no matter what BM Andrew M; Myself or anyone else says about Toyota will be deemed as being B-S
    Based solely on the fact that you [The Almighty DINGO]
    haven’t heard about it; read about it or don’t know about it.. or that you refuse to accept it believe it can’t understand it or just don’t want to think about it.

    Regardless of the fact that it may actually be true.

    Is that correct?

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    mate it was well on topic before you barged in and i just scrolled up to double check it.

    here is an example of one of the many times i tried to get it back on topic

    Quote……..AndrewM………
    “I am sooo over the constant B i t c h fighting you so often stir and in an effort to get this back on track i would like to hear your clear cut thoughts on the TRD Hilux for once instead of attacking everyone elses.

    my thoughts are…..
    1. it wont exhibit any handling traits that should be affiliated with such a performance nameplate.

    2.it will be heavily priced with no change from $80K

    3.it is totally pointless having that power off road going through a low range gearbox anyway”

    there you go champ.
    that is one of my many topic related comments where is yours????

    good to see no comment on the “unbreakable hilux” comment.
    you wait eagerly at the keyboard for everyone elses replies.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Dingo/Mikka, I never insulted you or your preferences, so what’s with bagging out my car? Resorting to attacks on me or anyone who you deem an enemy? I’ve barely even said anything on this post, no point when it’s all about mining operations.

    So how about you leave me and my car out of it

  • TP

    Bavarian I am still waiting. As I said a Police stabilty test showed the Rodeo was the worst when it came to rollovers… I bet the Hilux certainly isnt that bad compared to competition (not just one car… the Triton… driven at lower speeds). As Ive also said, these cars ARE going to be more inclined to roll because they are offroaders, a higher centre of gravity does not make for good handling… but do you really think a Hilux driver is going to get into many 80km/h situations where they not only need to swerve ONCE but TWICE… thats very unlikely, more so for a Hilux buyer. What Im saying is how applicable is a slalom test at speed to the real world… especially your original claims on loose surfaces, because gravel is a whole new ball game in terms of how the vehicle handles, you dont need some ridiciulous slalom course to roll, but just a sudden turn in one direction… tyres dig in… ROLL.

  • TP

    Might I add… relating this to the TRD Hilux, given its a performance version with a lower centre of gravity and no doubt better tyres, again I doubt its going to have a rolling problem evne if you honestly believe in your biased head the regular Hilux has a rolling problem (despite the lack of first hand evidence… ie crash reports… not a mine site banning it cos they THINK its related to the vehicle)

  • Bavarian Missile

    Bavarian I am still waiting. As I said a Police stabilty test showed the Rodeo was the worst when it came to rollovers… I bet the Hilux certainly isnt that bad compared to competition (not just one car… the Triton… driven at lower speeds). As Ive also said, these cars ARE going to be more inclined to roll because they are offroaders, a higher centre of gravity does not make for good handling… but do you really think a Hilux driver is going to get into many 80km/h situations where they not only need to swerve ONCE but TWICE… thats very unlikely, more so for a Hilux buyer. What Im saying is how applicable is a slalom test at speed to the real world… especially your original claims on loose surfaces, because gravel is a whole new ball game in terms of how the vehicle handles, you dont need some ridiciulous slalom course to roll, but just a sudden turn in one direction… tyres dig in… ROLL.

    “Seems no matter what I prove your not going to be happy………unless I guess that Toyota do the test themselves……who cares what a Rodeo does….not me! The whole point was Hiluxs on mine sites been driven at low speeds roll……..simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!” You clearly still didn’t like the Google search test I found cause it didn’t test the way you want it tested,and it didn’t have a Rodeo in it!

    TP continues his rant……
    Might I add… relating this to the TRD Hilux, given its a performance version with a lower centre of gravity and no doubt better tyres, again I doubt its going to have a rolling problem evne if you honestly believe in your biased head the regular Hilux has a rolling problem (despite the lack of first hand evidence… ie crash reports… not a mine site banning it cos they THINK its related to the vehicle)

    TP………believe what you want….cause you will anyway…….if you think that Hiluxs are getting a bad deal at mine sites,then write to the Mine Site managers {ex Engineers normally,ya know paper pushers}in the West and plead your case……….I would love to see a response back from them……Im sure that either Ross or Cobra 045 can give you a few to contact …..and as they are normally as ANAL as you, your reply may be lengthy in depth and technical …you will still argue afterwards though!But were expecting that!

  • Bavarian Missile

    354.

    Damn…….second try…..other still awaiting moderation cause I didn’t space out A n a l……errrr that didn’t come out right.

    Repeat!

    Bavarian I am still waiting. As I said a Police stabilty test showed the Rodeo was the worst when it came to rollovers… I bet the Hilux certainly isnt that bad compared to competition (not just one car… the Triton… driven at lower speeds). As Ive also said, these cars ARE going to be more inclined to roll because they are offroaders, a higher centre of gravity does not make for good handling… but do you really think a Hilux driver is going to get into many 80km/h situations where they not only need to swerve ONCE but TWICE… thats very unlikely, more so for a Hilux buyer. What Im saying is how applicable is a slalom test at speed to the real world… especially your original claims on loose surfaces, because gravel is a whole new ball game in terms of how the vehicle handles, you dont need some ridiciulous slalom course to roll, but just a sudden turn in one direction… tyres dig in… ROLL.

    “Seems no matter what I prove your not going to be happy………unless I guess that Toyota do the test themselves……who cares what a Rodeo does….not me! The whole point was Hiluxs on mine sites been driven at low speeds roll……..simple as that!!!!!!!!!!!!!” You clearly still didn’t like the Google search test I found cause it didn’t test the way you want it tested,and it didn’t have a Rodeo in it!

    TP continues his rant……
    Might I add… relating this to the TRD Hilux, given its a performance version with a lower centre of gravity and no doubt better tyres, again I doubt its going to have a rolling problem evne if you honestly believe in your biased head the regular Hilux has a rolling problem (despite the lack of first hand evidence… ie crash reports… not a mine site banning it cos they THINK its related to the vehicle)

    TP………believe what you want….cause you will anyway…….if you think that Hiluxs are getting a bad deal at mine sites,then write to the Mine Site managers {ex Engineers normally,ya know paper pushers}in the West and plead your case……….I would love to see a response back from them……Im sure that either Ross or Cobra 045 can give you a few to contact …..and as they are normally as A N A L as you, your reply may be lengthy in depth and technical …you will still argue afterwards though!But were expecting that!

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  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – 7yrs experiance in total as stated earlier. PROVE you don’t even note what others say so no-wonder you have no idea most of the time.

    And sense you are not even employed in the Mining sector but rather merely bounce of others – safety related issues affect EVERYBODY most certainly more so those on the floor then those at the top… PERIOD

    But haa … you are not even employed in the sector so remote clue would you have.

    GET A GRIP WITH WHAT REALLY HAPPENS ON SITE BECUASE YOU ARE COMPLETELY CLUELESS.

    Lets be honest here Bavarian – youaahve been challenged on the topic and you have hated it with a passion because i have ensured you don’t speak utter bullsh*t that you have had a habit of doing.

    Like is said – for aslong as i am around … think REAL HARD about what you put forward especially when you get your anti-Toyota clown suit on because I WILL CHALLENGE what i think is nothing but spoken crap so therefore – it appears you and i will be locking horns for along time to come yet because thatS exactly what you do … SPEAK SHIT !!

  • Duck

    I wonder what fuel economy will be like ! It will probaly be a terrible drive like the TRD Aurion!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – lets get something straight here, who engineers some of the worlds most successful off-road vehicles … YOU or TOYOTA.

    That said – who do you believe exhibit a wealth of market knowledge … YOU or TOYOTA.

    We all know there is no use YOU answering that because we already now the answer … don’t we Andrew !!

    What will the TRD Hilux bring – most likely a new niche market not experianced in the country before based upon a very reputable and proven platform.

    Your statemnt about all that power through low-range is nothing short of just utter shear crap because judging by the approx figures – it’s torque is equivaelnt to that of a v8 70 series and a long way short of the new 200 series while power (kw’s not much beyond that of the Cruisers)and do they have problems putting all that power through low range … NO THEY DON’T

    That said … any non-twit would correctly utilise the available power dependant on the terrain and correct me if i am wrong but many off-road experiances also allow use of high-range … am i wrong – NO !!

    eg – harden sand (after high tide) along the beach.

    Thats the conveniance of having a selection of tall and short gears with selection dependant on terrain.

    Who else would the TRD Hilux probably appeal to … Trade personnel, regular towers and those bush bashers who simply would go for something different.

    And in case you have failed to conduct any decent research on the TRD Hilux – Toyota has stated that they have been extremely mindful of retaining it’s capable off-road capacity while improving on-road characteristics.

    But haa … you would not have known that because you haven’t taken the time to do any valuable research on the project … have you !!

    NAA DINGO I HAVEN’T…

    And be sure to answer this for me … sense when has it ever been the given rule that enhancements are restricted to bitumen going vehicles only… put it this – not as long as my arse has been facing the ground.

    Your shear arrogence and shallowness absolutely dumb-founds me sometimes Andrew – it really does.

    If it was put out by Holden or Ford it would be the bee-neez but because Toyota takes on the challenge … you don’t even try to understand thier undertaking, yet you say you have no alligences.

    We all that is utter bullsh8t.

    Once again – correct me if i am wrong but isn’t the SUV and 4×4 market within a boom at present so providing a overhauled off-roader would only enhance the appeal of these motor vehicles more so again not to mention that Ford is working on a FPV Territory themselves … but haa -that will be a complete flop and a waste of time because such vehicles despite their popularity are not worthy of suck make-overs … ARE THEY !!

    Didn’t think of that did you …

    CLOWN

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Duck – and no-doubt it will a terrible off-road vehicle like all commercials Toyota’s are.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Cobra – far crack of the whip … my apologise’s

  • Bavarian Missile

    ERRRRRYA……..Call my my a clown……..I think most people on this site over the last 12 months have a lot of respect for what AndrewM has to say……you errrrrrrr,nope! Nil credibility!

    7 years not at that site mate!!!!!!!hehehehe

    Hey Mob I do think we have Dingo running again with his tail between his legs…..how funny is that!!!!! YA know when he starts swearing at you,lack of people skills…..the sign of a Rock ape……..na…..just an low IQ!

    Hahahaha…thought you had to go back to work today Dingo……..You sure you don’t drive the Bus that takes the men on site……hehehe….Do your ears burn ……cause we all do talk a lot behind your back about your mentality……Mate I’m in such a good mood tonight you could bag BMWs till the cows come home and I wouldn’t care!!!!!!!Water off a ducks back your becoming!!!!

    Im looking forward to Wheelnut coming over to see me……you expecting a visit from TP or perhaps Jbot in the near future….gee perhaps you could up load on the Forum some pics of your work with one of them in your reflective blue overalls!!!!……hahaha

    Mate if your ears aren’t burning now,they will be when he comes over for a week!!!! hehehehe….what a get together that will be!!!!!

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Please tell me… someone PLEASE tell me that i didn’t read what Bavarian just wrote.

    Fairdinkum – i had no idea i had been arguing with a challenged person. I mean … i have said it before but in a more of a witty way but after what Bavarian just wallowed on with then, kid-you-not i just sat here totally dumb founded.

    Even the dog wondered what was wrong with me because i was so … well … ahh forget it, i carn’t find a word for it !!

    My ears should be burning … from what – people i have never meet in my life talking about me.

    Gee wiz Bavarian …

    Infact – i feel so sorry for you that i am just gonna say sorry for all the riff-raff i have dragged you through b ecause i had no idea of your challenged nature.

    I AM SO, SO SORRY !!

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo – the thing is that people can only put up with so much.. and once you realise that the other party in the discussion aren’t really getting the point or refuse to accept any logical; well founded and thought out points of interest in relation to a particular topic..
    Then there really is no point in continuing with the subject or the person any further

    On several occassions BM Andrew M Watto Cobra045 and myself have either put forward our opinions or things for you to consider often in a civilised manner
    Yet you don;t seem to get it and keep asking us to explain in further detail what we have said or what we mean..
    which we have done on a number of occassions over and over time and again.. we even used plain english and short paragraphs inorder to make it easier for you

    So to my way of thinking its not BM or any of us that have the problem of understanding or Comprehension its you

    It’s not our fault that you can’t put brains in statures.

  • Bav Miss

    Dingo said
    Please tell me… someone PLEASE tell me that i didn’t read what Bavarian just wrote.

    Fairdinkum – i had no idea i had been arguing with a challenged person. I mean … i have said it before but in a more of a witty way but after what Bavarian just wallowed on with then, kid-you-not i just sat here totally dumb founded.

    Even the dog wondered what was wrong with me because i was so … well … ahh forget it, i carn’t find a word for it !!

    My ears should be burning … from what – people i have never meet in my life talking about me.

    Gee wiz Bavarian …

    Infact – i feel so sorry for you that i am just gonna say sorry for all the riff-raff i have dragged you through b ecause i had no idea of your challenged nature.

    I AM SO, SO SORRY !!

    Dingo…………nice recovery……..As usual off track!

    But you still didn’t answer why you weren’t at work???????

    Me……….lap top working………..so I can sit in the formal lounge and chat……….yep wireless in my house.

    When you back at that so called job?hehehehe

  • Bav Miss

    Thanks babe………….may ring you later…xxx

  • Bav Miss

    NA………will ring you later……….another 60 min call at 1.00 am your time.just as well ya love me!xxx

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Wheelnut – WRONG … you can not be any more further from the truth.

    The facts remains – when it usually comes to a Toyota related topic, you people find it necesary to critise their vehicles without any proper thought why eg – this topic about the TRD Hilux.

    Want great proof – just glance your eyes over Andrew’s lame response to why the TRD Hilux is not a good choice then read my opinon why it is.

    As you will note – there were many points that he failed to even recognise let alone give any thoughts towards.

    And yes – there is only so much poeple can take which is my exact attitude towards yourself and others because quite frankly – you people tend to have a very narrow point of judgement towards many vehicles outside of the typical Holden/Ford range especially were Toyota is concerned.

    I can only hope i have enabled you people to think a little more before commenting.

    And once again – were do you work so i can clarify this -morning comments by yourself. Haa .. not trying to belittle you but more rather learn what you stated is accurate or far from the truth.

    Surely you are not going to be unreasonable about that because as far as i am concerned – your comment was a sh*t buzz and i’ll be confident to suggest that i am not far from the truth … AM I !!

    Like it or not Wheelnut, i am determined to learn what is rubbish and what is not from the comments passed by people like yourselves because i have had an absolute gut full of crap… PERIOD

    Lets just cut the chase and get right to the point …

    Toyota has grown to a point in our society today that they are screwing your beloved Holdens and Fords to wall and you people hate it with a passion so find it necessary to carry on like a bunch of sore losers.

    GET OVER IT – Ford and Holden had thier day and now it’s some elses turn just like it will be another manufactuer after Toyota … all part of the evolving world.

    Holden and Ford dropped the ball because of thier own making not others so don’t go around rubbishing great companies like Toyota at ever given chance because they managed to pick up what their American counterparts dropped.

  • Bavarian Missile

    I am waiting still…….when you back at work Dingo?????????

    Yep my desk top this time………….

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Sorry Bavarian but i just don’t have it in me to pull the piss out of a monkey… i carn’t be cruel to animals !!

  • Bavarian Missile

    haaaahahahahahahahahaha……..Grasping at straws……….Cobra045 is right …….you are a fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!You don’t work where you claim…….

    The rest of us know it……….you should have been back at work now………..You really have nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Please come back……I really need to hear what you have to say on that……..hahahahahahaha

    Do you get the fact I am a BMW junkie………….I really don’t give 2 figs what you sprout on about………..Fords Holden’s……Toyota…….they all have their own attributes…….me BMW………so come on………….what do have really!!!!!!! Nothing……….Me I like all the models for what they can provide to the purchaser…you…..your simply an extremist that will never think Toyota will do any thing wrong!!!!!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Sorry Bavarian but i just don’t have it in me to pull the piss out of a monkey… i carn’t be cruel to animals !!

    Now babe that just shows your true colours…………

    You still have nothing………when you back at work

    I think Ill email Cobra045 at home and see him giggle at this!!!!!!!!!You are really showing your people skills now………

    Upper management you will ever reach…………supervisor…………hehehehe……gee I don’t think they employ IQs under room temperature…………

    See now you have found the bitch in me………..15 mins before real fireworks in the West!!!!!!!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ok fire works about to start in the west……..so have to roll the Cobra out garage………..music about to start

    Awaiting to see the best display in Australia from my balcony on the escarpment………..Hows yours Dingo……..hahahaha

  • Watto_Cobra

    Dingo QUOTE =”Cobra – far crack of the whip … my apologise’s”

    Accepted. BTW I bought the car with the stripes already on it (it was a year old). After a test drive I liked it enough to warrant the purchase.

    AU definitely isn’t everyones cuppa tea. I don’t like plain boring looking AUs (90% of them) but that doesn’t change the fact that they are pretty reliable and economical. Mine especially, has been the epitome of reliablility. A slowly leaking water-pump replaced under warranty is the only issue I’ve had in 7 years and 105000kms.

    Hot ones though, like the XR’s and especially TS50/TE50, are a great looking car, and have the performance to back up the visuals.

    I think of mine as a kind of tribute to my favorite car, the XC hardtop Cobra, and I’ve owned it for seven years, so I didn’t copy the new BFII model.

    I’ve said before on other posts that I genuinely like the looks of the TRD Aurion. I wouldn’t consider buying one tho, simply because I don’t like FWD. Everyone has their dislikes and mine is FWD, simple as that.

    It boils down to everyone has their own tastes.

  • Bavarian Missile

    So…………….true

  • Bavarian Missile

    The guy is a wanker…………………………

  • Bavarian Missile

    Watto

    My feeling is………………contact me…………….Me I WONT LET YOU DOWN……………………….

    PLEASE……………….trust me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo – It [finally] looks like we actually agree on something..

  • TP

    Still havent proved the Hilux has a rolling problem BM… as I said earlier if that slalom example was so applicable to Hilux drivers then we should easily find some horror stories where people have rolled their vehicles. Yet I couldnt find anything. Perhaps thats because it doesnt have a rolling problem, certainly not any more then its competitors such as the Rodeo which the police force, with credible tests, has shown to be a poor performer. Then there is the BT-50 and Ranger which no-one really knows about.

  • tonyn

    a little off topic, but did anyone see where wheels rolled an AWD Kluger and then toyota got there backs up about it? maybe this hilux rolling problem is true?

    At the end of the day mining companys arent going to buy this? it is a show pony for execs to tow there boat around and look manly, seriously thats all it is, it will deliver poor fuel ecomony, poor handling cause its a 4 wd adn will be overpriced at 80k? People wont be blind to that i dont see the aurion TRD bolting out the doors!

    I see there concept and i think it is quite good, but again toyota has no idea about performance cars in OZ, if it were a 2wd hilux with all the gear i reckon they would scream out the door, am i right?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Yep Tonyn……..we did see it……….but as usual,the Toyota trio wont acknowledge that as a problem! Just like the letter from Toyota to Wheels………….no responsibility taken! Someone else’s fault,the drivers!

    Im sure Toyota has asked the Mining companies in the West why they haven’t purchased Hiluxs over the previous years…..

    Babe you have just entered the post from hell!…….you know
    how bad you wanted to head butt your screen last time with Paul…………..you may need to wear a helmet before reading anything Dingo has to say!!!!!!!

  • tonyn

    oh really! should i walk away or should i get a helmet?

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo – Companies buy sell trucks and upgrade their fleets all the time ..
    why do you find it so hard to believe that a company would opt for something other than Toyota.. particularly if there is something which is better suited to their needs.
    We still use Toyota Forkllifts.. so it’s not all bad

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tonyn………….mmmmmmmmm,helmet!

    Wheelnut says

    We still use Toyota Forkllifts.. so it’s not all bad

    hahaha…..now there is a recommendation for you!

  • james

    Are you guys serious. These are lumps of metal, that do a job. some better than others, some worse. This is the worst post I have ever had the misfortune to read. Pretty much all of you should be ashamed of yourselves, disgusting.

  • Dan

    Hahahahahaha Obviously rolling it had nothing to do with how the driver was driving. Hahahaha you guys crack me up.

  • Wheelnut

    380 comments so far and olny about 40-60 of them are about the Hilux Ute.
    The rest are about who is less able or willing to accept that whilst the Toyota does have some good points there are some areas where it’s not so good.. as it’s rivals

    The problem is the bloody thing hasn’t been released yet so until then we will never know how it performs in the real world..

    Whereas we can comment on the Faults of the TRD Aurion or Kluger because there is evidence that a a major problem occured

  • Wheelnut

    Dan – Hahahahahaha Obviously rolling it had nothing to do with how the driver was driving.

    I assume by that; that you have NEVER swerved to try and avoid an obstacle on the road ahead [in an emergency situation] whilst travelling at 80-110Km/h an hour

    If that is the case you better check that you don’t have those little black and yellow circles on your neck

  • tonyn

    james if they are only lumps of metal go to a sewing site, to a lot of people a car Reflects there personality, what they like in life and how they like to have things there way. Everyone is individual and that why there are thousands of car choices on earth!

    It really annoys me on how someone can come onto a car site and say they are only lumps of metal, if that was the case we would still be driving model t fords!

    As for the TRD Hilux, it looks like toyota have stuck a supercharger and an FPV Typhoon front bar on it and tryed to sell it as a performance car. To me, a true TRD performance Hilux would of been a 2WD, with performance wheels and tyres on it, in much the same ilk as maloo and pursuit and tornado. Lets face it, even though it would be following the two all they have done here is made a un economical $wd ute, i dont think the thing even looks pretty, what sort of a performance car would have sidesteps ( yes ford have done a silly thing whith including them in F6X!) i just dont see how this will take off!

  • Andrew M

    Tonyn,
    i agree totally with you mate.

    (others dont bother looking at what tonyn said because even the toyota lovers arent interested in talking about this vehicle)
    Ps. i didnt read any other comments just scrolled down and saw a new “poster” and figured someone elses stuff might have been worth reading

  • james

    Tony here is a thought, let your intelligence reflect your personality. It’s our wits that make us men. Are any of you here actually going to buy one of these? No, I didnt think so, have any of you actually driven one of these?
    Somoeone may actually like to read some intelligent discussion regarding this vehicle, instead they have to wade through 400 odd posts trying to find something meaningful..

  • tonyn

    james you were the one that made the stupid post about it being just a lump of metal, and in fact i did write my thoughts on the car. are you going to buy one of thses? and i know you wouldnt of driven one cause they are not released yet. sorry of i hurt your pride a little!

    its our wits that make us men? what the? what i was trying to say is that a car is one thing we can personalise to make our own, your intelligence isnt giving me much indication of your personality cause frankly your not showing much, i infact wrote about the car and then you still decided to insult me!

  • TP

    Tonyn I dont know how you come about thinking they are trying to sell this as a performance car, please enlighten me what makes you come to this conclusion? Branding it under the TRD label isnt evidence. Id also like to know why 2WD would be better then the 4WD option?

    Wheelnut the slalom example is a poor one, its not one swerve but two… we are talking about a sitaution which never occurs, the Hilux rolled because of the second correction. If this was a common situation, then you would see links to horror stories of people rolling their Hiluxes… but you dont, because it doesnt happen.

  • james

    Tony, I know they have not been released yet, and yes, I may buy one, thats why I started reading this post to see what information I might be able to find from car people. I apologise if I offended you, however it has been an extremely frustrating eperience.

  • TP

    Might I add the video is a poor example because the original claim was Hilux’s roll on gravel… gravel and tarmac are two very different surfaces.

  • tonyn

    well TP isnt the TRD badge performance? the 2WD option would of made it lower to the ground, for better handling, they could of given the car a more agressive stance, added a better bodykit, maybe a hard cover, bigger brakes, made the thing a true competitor to the other two? if your telling me they are not branding this car as performance toyota should call it toyota hlux supercharged istead of diluting the core principals of TRD. Its a half a@#ed attempt at a performance vehicle. even you have to admit that dont you paul? Im not 100% biased, i drove a SX6 aurion the other day and was blown away by how it drove!

    James, i apologise if it has been frustrating, but to most people who come on here cars are far more than just lumps of metal, even to you they must be cause if it was just a lump of metal you would just buy a standard hilux, get my point? i rn a dealership for over 6 years and nothing frustrated me more than to hear my salesmen say were just moving metal or they are just lumps of metal, thats why i got my back up.

  • TP

    Oh can I also add, we are attacking this vehicle for being under the TRD label… what about you Ford fairies beloved FPV Territory!! Speaking of disgraces… 2 tonnes of junk under the FPV label.

  • TP

    I dont think anyone believes this is a ‘performance’ car, sure its under the TRD brand… but that doesnt straight away make it some perofrmance car, more a sporty version of the Hilux… can you really say an SUV no matter how tarted up is performance? The 2WD argument is nice but maybe they still want it to be practical as an offroader. Your other claims iffy, for example larger brakes we dont know if thats been done, more than likley HAS. The only thing I will concede is that it wasnt a great idea to label it TRD as some people will assume its meant to be performance.

    Good to see you drove an Aurion, most people are pleasantly suprised, I certainly was when I drove it!

  • tonyn

    if you read previous posts i have slammed that car too, i am ford biased but the FPV territory is half baked too! have i put you in a corner now again TP?

  • james

    Tony if I get this its essentially for tax purposes, true, probably somthing different as well. Im just trying to get some heads up on it. The TRD sedan had engine issues which I hope have been rectified. Was trying to find some info on the engineering of this vehicle. This site is generally quite informative(well at leatst 80% of posts are not rubbish) However on this occassion I think nearly 90% of posts have been..silly.
    Apologies to all concerned, will move on.

  • tonyn

    TRD is performance, there for if it is not a performance car its not TRD, they should of called it Sportivo? its a joke of a performance car, once again toyota is going off half baked again and trying to pull the wool over australian motoring publics eyes!

  • Bavarian Missile

    James………frustrating,that’s a god damn understatement!

    TP………….give up,we are not taking what you or Dingo are saying on board so why waste your breath any further.

    Fact………….Hiluxs have been banned on Rios mine sites in W.A for years,get over it!

    Fact………….I provided you a test as requested on the Hilux after you said you goggled and found no evidence of them ending up on their roof…….. I must admit I wasn’t ready for a test to show a new one having problems still!

    If they roll on tarmac they certainly will on gravel……..You think they get better traction on the dirt???????

  • Bavarian Missile

    yeah…………….the 400th post………..that makes 360 of the same crap and maybe 40 on the car that as Wheelnut says……..apparently no one really wants to discuss any way!

  • Wheelnut

    give up,we are not taking what you or Dingo are saying on board so why waste your breath any further.

    Spot on BM.. They’re not prepared or willing to listen to what we’ve gotta say so why should we listen to them..

    Although after 400 comments.. I still don’t think they’d get it

  • Andrew M

    Tonyn,
    i agree,
    they should call it “Sportivo Hilux”

    as i have said so many times (but to people who only want to B###h) it will not give the TRD brand any identity by having such a vehicle under their umbrella.

    TP,
    im curious have you ever driven a Hilux let alone any of its “Jap truck” competitors? no insults intended just that these trucks are absolute pigs to drive.
    no way in the world will it be an enjoyable performance drive.
    it wont be any better in 4Wd for reasons including and beyond what Tonyn says. have you driven a 4X4? low range wont give you any better performance for on road situations. its like putting you mountain bike in low gear and peddling like mad but going nowhere.

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha……..Andrew……bit like this post Andrew,going nowhere!

    Maybe Wheelnut should get him around to his work to drive the Toyota forklift…..at least that won’t tip over…..

    Yep Wheelnut,………..you ready for another day of repeating yourself?

  • TP

    BM HAHAHAHA yes I know your not taking anything on board, ignorance is bliss, and youd have to be one of the more ignorant posters here

    Tonyn my thoughts to, its not really performance, but as I said forget the TRD brand, for what it is Im sure some people will buy it (jus look at all the done up Hiluxs you see around ridiing on 20s etc) and as James very well mentioned, yes it could be $80k but for a trady etc who can get the vehicle and use it as a company car… its going to be attractive as a reasonably quick car which still has its practical abilities such as offroad and unlike its Ford and Holden buddies, able to carry a reasonably payload.

    AndrewM no I have not.. but I dont expect them to be some gret handling vehicle, they have a high centre of gravity, they are design for workers in mind and as I just said given the tax side of things someone can get themselves a TRD hilux, and actually use it for work and private use!

  • Bavarian Missile

    TP………thats a little like the pot calling the kettle black don’t you think!!!!

  • Wheelnut

    We’ve been repeating ourselves for the last 360 odd posts.. so why stop now? [joke].

  • tonyn

    now you want to forget the TRD brand, if this were an FPV Ranger you would be slamming it. $80k buys you a lot better performance SUV’s than this one TP. if what you are saying is true it should be a sportivo hilux at 50k than it would make more sense. Look at all the hiluxes done up and a majourity are 2WD with 20′s hence my argument a TRD hilux should be 2WD to accomdate the sports truckers!

    you just bagged the FPV territory and this is in the same catergory!

    I cant see toyotas logic in this car, HSV tryed on the avalanche XUV if you remember and it failed badly!!

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    mate its not just the obvious centre of gravity thing that exists with these thing. of course they arent the best handlers, but it is also their gearboxes being so closely geared that keeps reminding you that these things arent meant to be friendly drivers, or that you arent meant to get more than 400k’s out of a tank even if it is a 4cyl.

    also mate the falcon ute can carry a decent payload and IMO is a far better tower. dont critisize fords offerings especially if you admitt to not having ever driving a commercial vehicle let alone having to use one for its intended purpose

    these Light Jap trucks dont have any sort of real pulling power and they try to cover it up by giving you a VERY close ratio gearbox down low to try and disguise that meaning your fuel consumption is half that of the falcon.

    if you were looking at one of these you wound be mad not to go for a diesel. (much better drive and fuel consumption is a hell of a lot better)

  • Andrew M

    yes and that is the other point Tonyn,
    those that put 20″s on lux’s do it to 2wd models and drop them even lower (Lowlux’s)
    but even they still ride as rough as a go kart.

    avalanche ha ha ha yeah wasnt that half arsed. yeah just throw some flares on a crewman ha ha ha

  • tonyn

    but with the right suspension tune and a supercharger, toyota could rival holden and ford in the performance ute market, instead there are turning out rubbish like this!

  • Andrew M

    thats right Tonyn,

    take the 2wd model, drop it a bit, supercharger, decent suspension, and then learn how to design a hot looking front spoiler.
    they would have had a huge market for that I’d reckon

  • Andrew M

    oh yeah and it possibly would have made it under 50K

  • Titan

    The whole idea of a performance ute is ludicrous. They are rubbish… ALL of them.

    PS see if you guys can take this to 500 comments before the end of the day… not sure what the record is but this heap of cr@p must be getting close.

  • Wheelnut

    The idea of a perfromance ute is ludicrous?

    Yet a car with a Quad Turbo W16 engine [and 10 radiators] which produces twice as much power as an HSV makes perfect sense does it?

    Sure the Veyron is a piece of modern automotive engineering brilliance but nowhere near as practical as a ute..

    I know which one I’d prefer.

  • jbot

    I’m betting it’s the Veyron!

  • tonyn

    i hate to say this but if you look at FPV and TRD at the min the kits look very similar… why? prodrive! they will screw the aussie performance scene cause they have there finger in too many pies!

    Titan you have obv never had the pleasure of driving either the new tornado / pursuit range or the new maloo! both are the closest thing to a sport coupe we have, they deliver a true driving experience!

  • Wheelnut

    Guess again….

  • Andrew M

    Dont worry wheelnut,
    as Tonyn guessed, they prob have never driven a falcon or commy sports ute.
    they must be generalising it against their hilux’s poor handling attributes.

    sorry guys but the way a falcon or commy ute hangs to the road is very surprising, and it totally runs rings around the Jap light trucks. you must also remember that the average falcon and commy ute dont actually weigh that much less than the sedan equivalents

  • tonyn

    this place has turned into a mad house!!

    i have noticed TP hasnt been back but?

  • Wheelnut

    I think that I have said this beforel but..

    The reason people are thinking the TRD Hilux is a Performance ute is because it has the TRD Badge.

    TRD stands for Toyota Racing Development.. a company which has links to motorsport and performance.

    In the same way the HSV FPV Ralliart STi AMG and BMWs “M” Division do.. You see that special badge and you automatically think Performance Car

    Companies like M are known for taking your stock standard 3 or 5 series then makes various enhancements to the engine bakes suspension etc inorder to reach the cars full potential.. taking it from the ordinary to the extraordinary

    Now if you don’t want the Hilux ute to be considered as a Performance Car/Ute don’t put a badge on it which implies that is – like TRD.

  • tonyn

    exactly… sprotivo hilux as i said earlier, its a bit like HSV putting a badge on a rodeo then claiming it isnt performance based!

  • Andrew M

    Wheelnut,
    and exactlly what i have said before too,

    if they create a special nameplate in the TRD Badge, then it wont gain any respect or recognition if they abuse the plate by putting a hilux under its umbrella.

    i think it is a simple and fair comment but it seems to have gotten the toyota loyalists up on their hind legs striking

  • Wheelnut

    That’s it.. It’s the reason why Chrysler never made the SRT-PT Cruiser.. it doesn’t suit the “performance” image

  • Titan

    Wheelnut, Tonyn and Andrew M

    I have to be honest, since my last comment you have all said a lot of things that make sense. Especially that the Hilux should have been called the Sportivo Hilux. Associating it with the TRD badge was a stupid move on Toyotas behalf.

    I agree the Veyron isn’t a practical vehicle (though practicality isn’t its purpose), but I don’t see performance utes a particularly practical either especially when they come under the HSV FPV banner (or TRD for that matter). Their price tag alone will ensure that they will never be used and abused in quite the same way their non performance siblings would. I know a few owners of these types of utes and if so much as a insect impacts the paint work at the wrong angle they freak out.

    I don’t deny that HSV/FPV utes perform extremely well for what they are, but the fact is a performance ute is a compromise to fill a niche market. As Tonyn said, “…closest thing to a sport coupe we have”, but a sport coupe they are not.

  • TP

    Andrew nitpciking but you say dont criticise the Falcon ute because I dont drive the commericals… same applies to yourself and your gang about the Aurion. Please dont have double standards, you comment on cars you havent driven, so shall I.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Dingo QUOTE: Watto-cobra … unfortunately for myself i had to return to work today before expected time but none-the-less i had to be there.

    I have a question from one fellow Rio Tinto employee to another …

    Go to PROSPECT … from there click under the subheading ‘Business Information’ and then ‘News and Announcements’

    From there, tell me the first three news headings with the first two dated 24th January and the third 23rd January.
    ———————————————-

    Umm, I think you’re confusing me with Cobra045. I’ve never mentioned Rio-Tinto and don’t work in mining.

  • Watto_Cobra

    TP QUOTE =”….abilities such as offroad and unlike its Ford and Holden buddies, able to carry a reasonably payload.”
    ————————————————
    Why do you think Ford stayed with leaf springs under the rear? Because they are more suited for load-lugging, and really “can” carry a load.

  • Wheelnut

    BTW Dingo – The fact that you actually know the name of the tablets which you believe Bavarian Missile should take .. indicates or implies that you either suffer from the same or a similar problem or condition.

  • TP

    Cobra Ive seen how they can carry a load… seen a few literally scraping their rear on bumpy roads. You need greater clearance when it comes to real loads.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dingo………your profanity towards me is not astonishing……..its plain simple

    “A fly may sting a stately horse and make him wince; but one is but an insect, and the other is a horse still.”

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo – I agree that ATM this nation does have a thing For 4x4s and SUVs.. However the main reason for their popularity isn’t because of what they can do or designed to do [go off road] It’s more because the Toorak Tracctor has become a status symbol in an attempt to try and outdo the Joneses.

    As I mentioned on other Blogs NRMA asked a number of 4×4 owners why they went for a Cruiser or Patrol etc over a Commodore etc.. and the main answer was because the owners [admitted] that they were bad drivers and had a number of accidents.

    Yet the majority of us who have bought a [real] ute actually use it for the purpose of which it was intended

    BBTW I know the Porshe BMW and Merc make Performance Luxury 3x4s but like their fellow 4×4 owners I doubt that no more than 5% of them would actually go offroad.

    I’d say more utes venture off road than 4x4s

  • Wheelnut

    TP: “….You need greater clearance when it comes to real loads.”

    I don’t know Low Loader Semi Trailers and Pantechs seem to manage carrying [1000 tonne] excavation equipment and V8 Supercars with reduced clearances.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    stop pretending you know about “load lugging”.
    the falcon ute has a payload rating of 1 tonne just like the other jap trucks including the hilux. also if you want the extra ground clearance have you heard of the RTV falcon ute?
    for a test…..
    put a tonne on the back of a falcon ute and also on the back of a hilux.
    put them side by side for an acceleration test and the falcon will wipe the floor.

  • Watto_Cobra

    I “think” the FPV utes have a bit lower weight rating due to the different sports suspension.

    But yep, regular Falcon utes 1 tonne. Why do you think they call the cab/chassis a “one-tonner”?

  • tonyn

    dingo nascar dont race a 4WD ute, they race a 2WD ute like i suggested? get my point?

    If you paid 80k for this thing would you take it “offroad bashing”??? id highly doubt it! the thing is dongo, this car wont handle well, its performance will be average due to its weight, and you will need shares in BP to run it. If it were a sportivo hilux i could understand.

    If toyota built a 2WD performance ute i reckon it would bolt out the door, they could then use nascar as marketing , its a more sensible vehicle and it would line up perfect with TRD Aurion?

    If toyota are so individual why did they cave and build a performance arm like holden and ford have been for years? sounds like your a know it all tool with no motoring background what so ever. Ive spent many years in the motor trade and driven cars you could only of ever dreamed about, trust me when i say for the price this is not going to work, its a half baked attempt, just like the FPV territory.

  • jbot

    Watto, the XR6/XR8 also have lower payload ratings i think. XR6 is 550kg, turbo, 495kg, and XR8 445kg. So FPV is prob similar to XR8, maybe a little lower

  • jbot

    However, there is also a Cab Chassis XR6 which can take 725kg. Those are all official Ford ratings.

  • TP

    Lol Wheelnut you comparing a Falcon ute to a truck? Carrying a load in a Falcon ute is an afterthought for the engineers… for the Hilux, its their primary objective.

  • Watto_Cobra

    Thanks Jbot. Yep that’s what I thought with the sports suspension on those sort of models.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    the falcon ute isnt an after thought (after all ford invented the ute)
    the falcon ute is a totally different platform to its sedan variants. the only similarities it really shares is the frontal looks and interior fit out.

    Jbot,
    you can also option 1 tonne payload on the XR’s for those wanting the sporty looks but still want to retain the practicallity of the ute

    Dingo,
    mate any serious off roader would opt for the diesel end of story……………..
    they would have had a much bigger market to attack if they went down the path of a low rider version.
    how many people take a stock car and go to the dakar rally?

  • Wheelnut

    I never said that Performance cars were limited or restricted to tarmac terrors.. its just that when you read Car Enthuusiast magazines like Motor Top Gear Car and Driver you very rarely see 4x4s [if at all] I guess it doesn’t really suit the image which the TRD name implies

    The thing is that just as Toyota are known for their off road capapbility so too are Subaru and Mitsubishi.. yet Subaru and Mitsubishi have managed to take their AWD expertise from Rally and turn it into a car that out performs a number of other performance cars which are derived from a heritage of racing on tarmac.. so why doesn’t Toyota.

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo.. Do BMW Make a M-Ute do they??

  • Wheelnut

    Dakar and Rally 2 sports where Mitsubishi [for one] have won more races championships [or at least been on the podium] more than Toyota.

    So If I want to Know about Off Road “Performance” I’d see them instead

    Remember the Ralliart EVO Pajero Concept – Now that was a serious performance Off Roader.

    If Toyota are so good Off Road why the hell did they stop
    because going by what you have said Toyota stick to what they’re good at.

  • tonyn

    i have never seen reports of a TRD RAV? i know of a corolla?

    How are they being original? after years of being in the back burners of peformance motoring toyota finally bring out a peformance arm, much the same as FPV or HSV? they even used FPV’s major company to do development, right?

    I still cant see why they would build this, what heritage are they building off???

    Plus, are you serious in saying this car will have superior handling, what about its high centre of gravity and high body roll? id like to challenge your thoughts on fuel burn as i reckon you have no chance of it being efficent as FPV’s tornado and you might be close to the same efficenty as FPV’s V8 302kw or HSV’s 307 V8!

    And for your information the tundra race truck in the US is based of a 2wd low riding platform.

    There not being individual at all, many manufacturers have had a performance platform for years. not just ford and holden!

    Stick to mining, i think it suits you!

  • Chopstar87

    hey what about the F6X…. 270Kw inline 6 turbo??? i think it will have some go for a 4WD….

  • Cobra045

    good to see nothing has changed here. this site is turning in to nothing but a second rate pleb slog fest, instead of a place for friendly discussion on motor vehicles

  • Oz.

    Chopstar87 you mean 300kW F6X. ;)

  • Wheelnut

    I never said I don’t like the Hilux..

    Its just that TRD is the Performance Car arm of Toyota which enhances a number of cars from the parent company with what they have learnt from their success in motorsport..allowing the car to reach its full potential
    - The same way HSV and FPV are

    Therefore if you are going to enter a Performance market be it in sedans coupes utes or whatever.. you should expect to be compared to those who are established in the performance market and already sell similar vehicles.

    which is why the TRD Performance Hilux UTE is being compared to the HSV Maloo UTE and the FPV Pursuit UTE
    Regardless as to whether or not its 4WD 2WD AWD FWD RWD etc..

  • tonyn

    amen to that wheelnut that is what i have tryed to say!

  • Duck

    Wheelnut,
    Could you please tell me what article did i ask you, when the VF Commodore is coming out.

    Can you please tell me because i want to go back to the same article and i have forgoten, what it was called!

    Thanks!

  • Wheelnut

    My main arguement is that if Toyota wanted to make a “Sportier” Hilux they could have just doen what the others do – bolt on a bodykit sports bar foglights etc and call it something like the “HiLux Dingo” – Sounds pretty good dunnit?

    Because from the pics theres no real difference between it and the top of the range SR5 Hilux – Where as the FPV and HSV utes are more distinvtive compared to the base models

    I have no Problem with the car itself its just the link to
    TRD which implies improved performance etc,, which from the photos at least seems to be missing

    I mean compared to the vasic Aurion and the TRD one there is an obvious difference between the two both mechanical and vuisual.. yet with the Hilux I feel they should have done a bit more – particularly when they’re mst likely going to charge a $10k premium for it over a normal hilux

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    mate why not compare the 2wd hilux to the 2wd falcon ute off road?? keep it real mate. and if you want a load lugging contest on the black stuff the hilux wont make the first corner.

    also who the hell luggs loads off road?

    and if they put better handling dynamics in the TRD hilux it would mean its off road abilities would be worse than what they started with. if you tighten up the suspension for on road performance the suspension travel will be limited for off road.

    like the others have said i dont have any problem with the idea of the car mainly the affiliation with the TRD name plate. they will not gain any recognition if one minute they are heading for a performance on roader and next minute limited off roader

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Tonyn … you work supposedly work in the automotive industry so why the lack of knowledge towards the TRD brand.

    Other cars of interest to TRD Australia ‘WAS’ the corolla but it has pretty much been put on the backburner for th e time being with the Yaris and RAV4 being considered more likely at this point in time.

    But haa … why have me enlighten yourself on such things beause you already knew that – didn’t ‘ya !!

    The Hilux would exhibit good handling manners in comparison to it’s off-road attributes therefore not compariable to lower C of G vehicles so why the necessity of having someone like myself finding it necessary to dicuss it with yourself.

    I think you should stick to NOT KNOWING MUCH because it suits you !!

  • tonyn

    well you know if you knew much about off road vehicles, the off road capabilitys of hilux are not so grand, infact, the new triton and ranger are actually more capable off orad than this car. and i wouldnt be gloating about toyotas off road peformance record, mitsubishi has spanked them for at least 10 years on that record and the only other vehicle close was VW’S touareg! But you dont need me telling you that seeing i dont know much!

    Mate, i have spent over 10 years in the motor industry, and to be honest i have spent a lot more time in finer quality european luxury vehicles rather than worrying about TRD. there are much betters cars out there than worrying about toyota and what there up too!

    I have read from industry news letters, that we arte more likely to get the TRD corolla, there is an existing japanese model that can be brought out without going to the expense of developing a model here.

    I am over this crap again, TP was a saint compared to this guy. Why wont you just cop the criticism this car is copping, are you the CEO of toyota or something?

    I thought the idea of this website was to ofer your own opinion.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Wheelnut – you are defantly that … a Wheelnut because yOu are much, MUCH DUMBER then i envisaged you to be. Over the past few days Bavarians challenged nature come to the forefront and yours is certain getting there aswell.

    So lets get this right – because a TRD Hilux doesn’t look a whole lot different to a SR5 then the drivability of the vehicle (of which is exactly what enhanced products are al about) would be NO different either because judging upon what you are saying – that’s the impression i get.

    I’ll tell you what LooseWheelNut … do yourself a favour sometime after the laUnch of the TRD Hilux and and do a back to back comparison of a SR5 and a TRD Hilux and then tell me that you noticed ‘NO’ differance in the driveability (onroad or off) and fun factor of the vehicles

    Mmm …

    Once again – your shear lack of knowledge and complete dumbness is shining right on through

    Regarding the off-roAd ability of the TRD Hilux, instead of having me discuss it with you …. why don’t you go and find some of the plentiful information put out by Toyota about the off-road/onroad manners Toyota has strived to achieve with the enhanced Lux.

    For once LooseNut – go and conduct some meaningful research on the project and stop with the endless riff-raft you are going with because seriuosly – your true nature as a complete challenged twit is shining like a ball of fire.

    Let me cut it short for you just incase you don’t do as i ask because the chances are – you won’t.

    Right from the very beginning of the TRD Project, Toyota has strived to retain the Hilux’s off-road capacity while improving it’s on road mannners. But haa … you being an expert as an automotive engineer would understand exactly how they will achieve that … RIGHT !!

    Now that we understand your personal attrubutes – explain to the rest of us how TRD will achieve just the thing …

    WHO LUGGS LOADS OFF-ROAD … oh please, please tell me your intelligence has not stooped as low as that fit induced Bavarain because i am not even going to answer that question out of the shear stupidity of it !!

    And if you want to persist on comparing the HSV/FPV utes to the Hilux then haa … lets do it by all means.

    Once they have completed thier tarmac tussle, lets then move all the enhanced vehicles to the off-road arena to complete the next stage. I suggest a dash up the beach on Fraser Island to begin with but haa – the much more powerful utes of HSV/FPV will make it from the south tip to the north long before the supercharged off-road capable Hilux …RIGHT !!

    If you want to compare then go right ahead but by all fairness to Toyota in what they are trying achieve with the TRD Lux – conduct the comparo’s across all terrains not just what the utes wil be more favourable upon because then the Hilux will be denied to prove it’s capacity just so that the utes look good.

    CLOWN !!

  • Andrew M

    dingo,
    maybe you who is so confident that they can stiffen the suspension to give it tighter rebound on the black stuff yet still give it greater suspension travel for your off road needs at the same time can explain exactlly how they will tune this to be better on AND off road.
    oh and i assume they will fit a performance tyre with awesome water shedding properties and absolute grip whilst still having rock grips half way down the side wall?

    just think about it for a minute mate…………..
    they cant tune it better for BOTH. if they are putting better road manners into it, that means off road abilities will suffer

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Tonyn – THANK YOU VERY MUCH because you have finally displayed your shear arrogance on the subject.

    TRD Australia (as per thier very own publishing) have decide to persue a TRD Yaris or a TRD RAV before any further consideration of the Corolla for two reasons – lack of current desirable engine and lack of a current AWD availability for the Corolla which is why they retained the FWD layout of the TRD Aurion because currently – no compatible AWD system exsists for the Camry platform any were in the world.

    If you just came out with the spew that you did then i thank the all-mighty lord for proving how much a clown you are.

    And if you work with finer luxury cars then you would understand that Lexus is one of the almight finest cars that can be found today.

    And why don’t you just cop the correction i am offering you guys people, but haa … lets be honest here – the points i have raised have never even been considerd by the shallowed nature of yourselves until i have to offer you freaks a little helping hand to discover why other manufactuers strive to do what they do instead of worring about what Holden and Ford are doing all the time.

    Fact is Tonyn – i am a much more brutal challenge to you and your wacked out mates then TP culd ever hope to be. Unlike him – i get right down to the dirt of it all and drag those simple minds of you people into thinking outside of the the cramped Holden/Ford square and quite frankly … you people hate it with a passion because i am all to brutally to the point.

    You are a TWIT … PERIOD !!

    You know what has been fantatstic for the past 460 odd posts – i have proven the shear dumbness and arrogance of you people and by all means it has been an absolute pleasure on my behalf.

    I insist you strive to get your shit together before revisiting this post.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Andrew – are you sure about that … maybe you should have a think about for yourself.

    Do EXACTLY what i asked Andrew … conduct some valuable research for yourself on the subject (as i have ) instead of blabbing away with utter ignorant crap and then get back to me.

    When you do … explain to me EXACTLY what Toyota through thier new found local TRD arm are striving to achieve so that way you don’t have to worry about making a clown of yourself any further.

    Repeat – that’s EXACTLY what TRD has strived to achieve … improve the road going manners of the Hilux while retaining it’s off-road capacity. How they will achieve that will no doubt be published in various magazines in the months to follow and then people like yourself will probably think … OH – OK, thats how they done it.

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo I understand that the TRD Hilux will be different to the Standard Hilux I also understand that it will perform differently to the HSV and FPV Utes..
    Afterall one is derived from a commercial off roader the other is a sedan based coupe with a big boot..one is RWD the other will most likely be 4×4 which is obviously going to effect the way they perform in various conditions etc

    The thing is that; because the media – particularly magazines like Top Gear compare cars from various market sectors.. so do a considerable proportion of the general public.

    So whilst there is a number of intrinsic and rather obvious differneces between the two you have to realise that people will just see both the TRD HSV and FPVs as Utes and thereby think that they should all perform pretty much the same.

    It’s like people say you can’t compare apples with oranges.. whilst other people will say why not?.. they’re both fruit

    So even though the TRD Hilux will be aimed at a completely different market/demographic to the HSV or FPV

  • Wheelnut

    You know what has been fantatstic for the past 460 odd posts – i have proven the shear dumbness and arrogance of you people and by all means it has been an absolute pleasure on my behalf.

    I’m glad you think that Dingo.

  • Wheelnut

    Strike 3 – You’re Out!!!!

  • tonyn

    lexus! lexus! you are kidding! mercedes, bmw and audi blind lexus for sheer driving pleasure!

    Lexus is a cheap, arrogant kind of luxury vehicle, a poor mans audi or BMW!

    Mate, i am truly sick of hearing your bulls%^t! its unbelieveable!

    im off before i pick the screen up and throw! ill leave it another month before i come on again!

    I find it sad someone could research a dull product so much! and then deny there product doesnt have faults!

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    you were one of many that praised the TRD aurion up before it came out and said all the might of toyota and their great engineering capabilities will ensure it will not torque steer.
    then what happened? your sheer trust in toyota got in the way of reality.

    i think we are seeing round 2.
    you are saying this thing will will engineered for 2 totally different conditions somehow.
    their strike rate in engineering hasnt been that great with TRD’s here yet so dont be too sure about yourself too soon. whats the percentage strike rate for 0 out of 1??

    i cant believe people have so much faith in toyota engineering that they some how think toyota will re-write the laws of physics

    perhaps you should take off those rose coloured toyota glasses and see that there may actually be some
    “cons” with this vehicle and not just the “pros” you are seeing

  • Duck

    Wheelnut,
    Could you please tell me what article did i ask you, when the VF Commodore is coming out.

    Can you please tell me because i want to go back to the same article and i have forgoten, what it was called!

    Would appreciate it, if you could tell me!

    Thanks!

  • Watto_Cobra

    Duck, it was the “Latest Ford Falcon Orion Spy Shots” blog.

    Just add “/3058/latest-ford-falcon-orion-spy-shots” (minus quotes) to the usual caradvice.com.au

  • Duck

    Thanks, Watto_Cobra!

    Appreciate it!

  • Cobra045

    Good to see that Dingo us giving everyone else the shits!!!

    Dingo.. for the record.. that crap about “Prospect” you went on about before.. that info is available to all Rio employees and any Contractor.. so again you have proved nothing. As I said before the information regarding Rio procurement strategies and policy in on the intranet, but you wil need far more access prvileges than a Contractor. But you shoudl know that. If you can find Prospect why cant you find the other information that I told you to!!
    I emailed your tech services manager yesterday and he replied today.. it still appears that you either dont exist or you dont have the balls to contact him. I must say he is finding this most amusing. He also said that if you do really exist that he has narrowed you down to about one of 4 people.. But he isnt sure yet as the job position you say you do doesnt actually exist. Why dont you just end this charade!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    MMMMMMM.seems even your mates dingo are not willing to stand behind your arrogance any more!

    I guess this site has to weigh up loosing 10 members that can chat about other models or 1-2 that are arrogant enough to follow but one………………It seems I know what you want!

    Drive time for you! But are they sick of your crap too! We all watch you blog the same old s..t!!!!!!!!!

    Own up………….we know Dingo,you are a pillow!!!!So bite it!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tonyn………….Im real sorry you of all people had to lower your level to his!Just to try and put your point across!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry babe!

    Wheelnut………….hey gorgeous,don’t lower your self to his level! This guy needs serious help……..we have all ready decided on that!!!!!!!!!

    Cobra045………..you know that we all ready realise he is full of it…………and apparently his other 2 followers the same I would be embarrassed to be on this site with that IQ!

    Even Duck……….seems to of had enough……….and his level of tactfulness is higher than mine!!!!

    AndrewM……………those glasses they think are Rose coloured………..just for Toyota,I have had re tested,apparently they were meant to compare against………Toyota only…………..so as Toyota don’t make glasses the test was null and void!hahahaha

  • No Name

    He’s probably banned unless he comes up with alternative names and email addresses. One complete Plonker hey!

    Hope you all enjoyed your Australia day.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Dingos reply to Tonyn

    “And once again to prove your arrogance – not once on any oocassion have i ever stated that Toyota or any of it’s affiliated companies are faultless because they are far from it so were did you pull that from … PLEASE HIGHLIGHT were i have ever stated such a thing.”

    So if that’s the case why wont you finally shut up and acknowledge that Hiluxs may indeed have a roll over problem,and there banned on Rios site in the West……come on,please!

    Tonyn……I think we are all about to follow your lead,and leave him to this post !

    Why continue when its like reasoning with a child !

  • tonyn

    alborz,
    You know we are pretty loyal followers of this site but while you continue to let people like dingo ruin your site im going, he is just causing trouble. go look at a lexus then go look at a benz dingo, its like comparing a kia magentis with a camry!!

    See you guys later!

  • Titan

    I don’t think calling for people to be banned because they fail to agree with your particular point of view makes a lot of sense to be honest. There are going to be differences of opinion regardless.

    The going thing on this site seems to be for some people to try to force their point of view on others, failing that they resort to personal attacks which escalate as evidenced in this blog. If that doesn’t work then they call for a ban!

    If you don’t agree with somesone’s opinion then by all means state why you disagree and what you think. However leave the personal bulls#*t out of it.

    And leaving this site because of one person’s comments seems rather immature. You could always try to – like I will do for the sake of this blog after your comments about Lexus. After a while people who seek attention get tired of talking to themselves.

  • Titan

    What I was trying to say in the last paragraph was “You could always try to ignore them”

    We need an edit button…

  • Cobra045

    Dingo..

    you are a complete dickhead!! for someone who is supposedly working, but manages to be here as well..

    FYI 24th Jan was a staff announcemrnt for new General manager of Argyle Pink Diamonds.. 23rd was also a staff announcement for Bunder Project Manager and Exploration Executive..

    now piss of and leave me alone.. I dont see you answer any of my questions!! you are full of it.. If you were so smart you wouldnt be changing air filters and oil for a living!!

  • Cobra045

    alborz!!

    when are you going to grow a brain and do something about this!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Me leaving too Tonyn………there is only so much one can tolerate,and after the comment he made yesterday about me…..Quote” Bavarian – what happened retard, did you have one of your spastic fits or something. You better get some of those tegretol tablets into ‘ya before you have another fit.

    I hope you didn’t scare the kids to much bouncing around on the floor with your tongue hanging out.

    Uurr – yuk – you dirty old hagg.

    DON’T YOU JUST HATE ME WITH A PASSION … !! ” end quote!

    Seems hes taken the argument to a whole new level.

  • tonyn

    im out, but i do have to apologise to titan if i offenede you with my lexus comments, its totally my opinion! it just slipped out.

  • Dan

    As a reader of Caradvice.com.au I thoroughly enjoy the constant supply of automative news and reviews. Perhaps like many of you, I came across this site when searching through the numerous car reviews across the interenet and found it had that little ‘something’ different that made it part of my daily read. It feels as if a person is actually driving the car rather then the statistical regurgitation we so often read.

    It is great the ability for comments and discussions are provided however it seems they are becomming a place for hard line opinions and insults.

    If I came across this site now and witnessed the aggression and in-ability to give constructive criticism it would take the charm away without a doubt. That is a shame for hard hours spent and my guess – worlds away from the initial concept.

    Dan.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Tonyn – get over yourself. You think i ruin sites like these when it is infact everysingle one of us parties participating in the is endless blog yet somehow you believe your sh8t don’t stink .

    People like yourself need to take one big long hard look at themselves and start accepting that your opinions are shallow and simple minded …PERIOD !!

    The fact is … you just carn’t challenge me but instead have to resort to nothing more then assumptions and a perfect example to that is your lack of ability to even answer my question not to mention the
    shear arrogance with your view towards Lexus

    GROW A BRAIN.

    Bavarian – you are a twit … PERIOD

    The thing with you freak that you abuse other bloggers everybit as much but when you are targetted yourself, you go into some wacked out induce anger mood and display your shear dumbness.

    GREAT EXAMPLE – call me a WANKER (seems like an arguement to a whole new level) then get upset when i attack back.

    GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU SPEAK UTTER CRAP !!

    Once again… get over yourself Bavarian and stop being an utter loser because you have been challenged.

    I told you right from the very start i will challenge your crap and i have and will continue to do just that until you start speaking some sense for once and stop passing little more then wacked out Bavarian induced assumptions.

    Cobra – THANKYOU VERY MUCH… wasn’t that hard was it.

    If you were so smart you would’nt not have found that so challenging right from the very start.

    Alborz – EXACTLY … when are you going to do something about some of these hycrocrites !!

    Andrew – so far 2 of 3 have failed to answer my questions because they know as much as i that they carn’t because they spoke utter shear crap.

    Now i am waiting for your response or are you going to FAIL aswell and make it 3 from 4.

    So far the only respect i have gained is towards Cobra while the rest of you dropped out like losers !!

    Three out of 4 is not bad going at all.

  • Bavarian Missile

    My last comment to you buddy!

    Me calling you a wanker is hardly the same as a paragraph of insults you throw at me yesterday! MATE!

    Quote”Bavarian – what happened retard, did you have one of your spastic fits or something. You better get some of those tegretol tablets into ‘ya before you have another fit.

    I hope you didn’t scare the kids to much bouncing around on the floor with your tongue hanging out.

    Uurr – yuk – you dirty old hagg.”

    You speak to all women like that ?

    Hope you have your inside contacts at Toyota to enable the guys to post new stories when they come to hand before other Car Sites…….just as I have in the past with Ford stuff.

  • Dan

    Dingo – have another read of your post above. Why continue the insults?

    You have clearly made your point and personal opinion quite clear. That opinion does not extend to assumptions on a persons character or ability.

  • Titan

    Tonyn, like I said everyone has their own opinion and you are entitled to yours. Apology accepted and look forward to some constructive discussion with you in future.

  • 280zx

    Dan do you hug tree’s? Just interested thats all…..

  • Dan

    Thankyou for the question 280zx – I can’t say I have physically hugged a tree, perhaps as a child?

  • Anthonii

    Who says Toyota don’t have passion,

    Look at all this passionate hating.

  • http://ACA Dingo

    Bavarian – forget about trying to make a saint from yourself because you are far from it.

    Do you go around calling all guys wankers … ??

    If want you respect then starting respecting others !!

    Get your head out of your arse and stop believing you are someone who you are not.

    Oh yeah … i am not your mate.

    Anthonii – judging by the declining sales and mistunes of GM and Ford – there appears to be passionate haters of Holdens and Ford these days in greater numbers then ever before.

    It would be an accurate assumption to pass that most Toyota haters are diehard Holden and Ford fans but given Toyota’s destruction of thier aspirations … i can hardly blame them.

    How many times do you reckon Toyota will outsell Holden and Ford combined this year … oooch !!

  • Bubba Ganush

    Dingo you seem upset tell uncle bubba whats wrong

  • Andrew M

    just one quick quote mate from the first article i scoured.
    it was in response to those saying the TRD would torque steer. and yes TP was in there too

    Dingo Says:
    June 25th, 2007 at 12:55 pm
    “The TRD will be refined, well sorted and of high quality. Apart from that, it will exhibit all the traditional Toyota qualities… reliability, dependability and durability !!

    What some negative individuals are not acknowledging here is that TRD and Prodrive are two very respected performance companies and thay have been engineering the TRD Aurion for quite sometime and it is my understanding that considerable amount of R&D, refinement, testing and evaluations have been invested into this project and i have absolute confidance that the TRD Aurion will be a very formiable force within it’s own rights.”

    so are you going to answer the questions from others now or keep typing abusive posts?

    im sure you think that if you yell louder than the others it means you win………

  • TP

    Amen Dingo… prity sad Ford and Holden have nowhere near the market share of Toyota given they have the MASSIVE advantage of being seen as a ‘local’ product. They must be selling absolute sh*t to not be able take advantage of that!

  • Andrew M

    TP, think outside the square,

    or they are just aceing the marketing

  • Johno084

    Wow,reading some of these comments have taken it of the rails more of a personal matter lol. Anyway here are some technical specs on the trd hilux.

    There are two models same as the trd aurion;
    4000 S donor is a sr hilux
    4000 SL donor is a sr5 hilux
    4000 = 4L engine size
    S = supercharged
    L = luxury (level 2 vehicle)
    17 inch alloy wheels
    Available colours: – glacier white, sterilng silver, charcoal grey, velocity red, ink
    Leather shift knob with trd embossed logo
    Leather seats and door trims 4000 SL only
    Silver centre instrument cluster bezel
    Leather steering wheel with trd embossed logo
    Trd individual number plaques (build no’s)
    Eaton M90 supercharger with water to air intercooler
    High performance bilstein mono tube shock absorbers front and rear.Suspension height reduction. Retuned spring rate
    Brakes; – front disc ventilated 338mm diameter, rear drums
    5 speed auto transmission photo I have show auto, not sure about manual transmission.
    Anticipated usage target market (research done by trd): -
    Transporting tools / sports equipment
    Towing trailer / boat
    Moderate off-road driving & driving on gravel
    Price unknown ???
    With a sr hilux 4×4 v6 starting low to mid 40k and a sr5 hilux late 40k to early 50k i’m guessing a trd hilux will be 10 – 18k on top of sr to sr5 hilux. Time will tell closer to the market debut.

  • Bubba Ganush

    Dingo Dog

    Less shifts at the mine. take a lime, some coconut, drink them both together and call me in the morning

  • Bubba Ganush

    My only question is with this vehicle and compeditors is what market is this targeting

    no trady in his right mind would want to spend an estimated 70k for a vehicle to throw tools,concrete mixers or whatever in the back

    pointless excercise

  • Johno084

    Bubba Ganush, going by trd information the target market is: –
    *Typically male
    *Younger – nearly half are aged 18 – 35 years
    *Whilst there is a higher proportion of singles in the comparison to the total, two-thirds are married couples
    *Greater proportion Sydney & Brisbane residents
    *More likely to be in a skilled / technical of trade position
    *A third of this group are current toyota drivers
    *Generally a more focused consideration set, with low consideration for most brands. Much higher consideration for toyota and slightly higher for toyota.
    *Higher proportion seeking to buy a 4wd or ute/van
    *They are highly involved car enthusiasts
    *Higher awareness of TRD amongst the hilux group
    *More likely to have performed mechanical work and had modifications made to their vehicle
    *Less likely to have bought a new vehicle in the past 12 months.
    Finding from TRD study in Feb 2007 (Celsius Research)

  • Johno084

    edit; – *Generally a more focused consideration set, with low consideration for most brands. Much higher consideration for toyota and slightly higher for holden

  • http://ACA Steve

    Bubba .. any chance i can have a beer.

    Johno – thankyou for the supplied information .. thoughly appreciated.

    Enjoyed the reading and i hope you participate more regularly.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Well Im back cause he’s gone for good……….whoo hoo!

    Aren’t most dressed up utes more for pose than purpose these days ………

  • Wheelnut

    I’m Back too…. Hi BM

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [BM] Aren’t most dressed up utes more for pose than purpose these days ………

    As are most 4x4s.. You wouldnt wan’t to scratch that mirror finish 2-Pack duco let alone get it dirty.

  • Andrew M

    arent most cars over 30K for pose?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Fancy seeing you here babe…..hahaha What timing!

    I guess if nothing else its good for the tradies to tow with
    {depending on the load}that way they can keep it looking trick for the weekends play ……what ever that maybe?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Opps….I didn’t mean to pick on utes AndrewM………..In Utes…….I guess in general yes they are these days. Does anyone know if the Pursuit ute or Tornado even have the provision on the rear bumper section for a tow bar…..cause the current GTs don’t. You have to hack a hole in the back bumper….looks a little crude!

  • TP

    Bubba any trader who can buy it under their business name (ie alot) would be interesting in this car even if it is $80k… a practical ‘performance’ SUV

  • RoFlmaTiC

    Although it’s a little late (wow I didn’t know this mammoth thread existed) firstly can I say hi to Cobra045, I was reading his posts and it’s funny because I’m actually working in Rio Tinto Procurement at the moment, in the contracts department (they needed some law students to help out with drafting etc)

    So yeah being a hard worker I’ve spent the last hour procrastinating and reading this thread and it’s hilarious!

    I have looked at procurement documents on the intranet and yeah, it does seem like Toyota is the preferred vehicle supplier for most of the Rio Tinto group companies. I’ve actually come across a few umbrella supply contracts for the sale of a number of hiluxes :)

    On topic though… whilst being rather Toyota inclined myself, I’m not sure whether it’s worth Toyota’s while with this TRD hilux. I doubt there is much of a market for these sorts of cars but then that’s just my opinion and Toyota marketing must have a much different one. But I supposed it is a niche, the TRD hilux will basically have no true competitors!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey ,RoFlmaTiC……….the thing is so am I as well as Cobra045……….but no one else would listen.

    Anyhow,will be interested to see how many TRD make or are expecting too………and if it will continue down the performance SUV track!

  • Andrew M

    BM,
    im pretty sure the pursuit and tornado do have provisions.

    the towbar on the utes actually comes from underneath the vehicle and curves up. i know the pursuit has an extra little flare on the rear bar but im pretty sure they do have a little pop out section if you need.

    so the sedans dont hey?

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    from being involved with a lot of people that have bought 4X4′s (including the hilux) that they buy these things and then option them with bull bars, side steps, scrub bars etc and even throw muddies on them. i can also tell you that none of them (that i can think of) were mad enough to buy a petrol version.

    People that buy these put the tough gear on them so they can use them for the occasional off road excusion. i cant see too many paying extra to get the TRD version only to rip the front bar off in favour of a bull bar and scrub bars.
    on the other hand those that just want the performance buy the falcon and commy sports utes. there are 2 totally different kinds of ute buyers
    ones that want just performance and those that just want a 4X4 with all the tough gear on it.
    so its fair enough quoting what the target group is, but you must look at what that target group is buying. yes a lot of them are buying these kind of vehicles but how many of them are a V6 variant? or how many seem to prefer the bullbar approach?

  • Bavarian Missile

    ahhhh,really Ok.

    Nope 4 doors don’t count Andrew……………

    But they should! Its not like its a sports car………you know those things with ash trays in their bonnets……hahaha

  • Bubba Ganush

    Johno084

    Thank you for the info but gees the mind boggles

    not every 18 year old is gonna have 80k in their back pocket.

    and yeah you could purchase it under their business name but shit! have you seen 2 year old utes that have been used soley for for work purposes they dont look pretty

    my impression of a prestige vehicle ie TRD FPV HSV SHELBY ETC is something that will hold value, more of an investment than a work hack but i could be old fashioned.

    i wouldnt want say a 1 in 400 made vehicle as the grocery hack getting scraped and hammered by bad drivers and rogue shopping trolleys in carparks

  • Cobra045

    RoFlmaTiC .. you could have helped me out before!!! ha ha.. anyway, how are they treating you at RTP?? I know a couple of guys who have left there recently.. one of them has come over here to RTIOEP.. what state are you in?

    Better still, what wheels do you follow??

  • RoFlmaTiC

    RTP Perth – central park level 26 :)

    Yeah I’m Toyota inclined myself, but with restraint… I don’t by any means see Toyota as the be all and end all of the auto industry. I have a soft spot for their older performance cars, but yeah, there’s really much to be proud about anymore. My first car was a camry, but I got a new celica a couple of years ago. It’s by no means a quick car, but it’s not something to be ashamed of either. The engine was the first all aluminium production engine in the world if I can recall, and has one of the best power / engine weight ratios of production engines in the world (which is why it’s in the elise/exige).

    But yeah, if I was shopping around for a new car today, nothing of Toyota’s current lineup would interest me in the slightest. They simply don’t have any cars that I would be looking for. The discontinuation of their supra/mr2/celica has left a gaping hole, which hopefully will be filled up by the new FT-HS.

  • Cobra045

    are you still at work???

  • Cobra045

    go to the RTSS locator and type in 66783 in the extension box.. I am the top name of the 3.. send me an email.. easier than this