this ute is very good but the back looks like a 380

the ve does come with a spare i have a ve ss it has 1 it is not a mag just a steel wheel

looks like it should but….needs to sweep from roof 2 quauter….2 vertical 4 me.Oh,please lose the vinyl cover.just traded vy11 4 ve sv6 much better!

You have a great point about the 380. Then again, the rear lights on your ve commodore saloon just looks like they combined the BA falcon lights with the 380 lights. I don’t like the rear lights on this, the front and the body of the ute are great but the taillights are fugly IMO.

I love it. Looking foward to reading more about it.

the ve ute looks great there should be a 4×4 and a longwheel base like vr vs commodore ute

The ute looks shit house from behind, it looks like the back of a statesman, they need to change the ass end of the car for me to want to buy one

the ute looks bloody awesome, it looks better teh the vy series 2 ute the vz and the ve utes are best and they have more power nad look way more smarter then any other in the car industry

That ute looks avg and utes in general are stupid when it comes to performane cars… no weight over drive wheels isnt a good thing. Ive lost count of the times Ive seen SS ute drivers fishtail it off the line because the car has no traction at all under full throttle.

that car looks fukn hopeless….ggood engine tho…but looks ugly as dog shit

“faz” your a dickhead. There is no good engine in a Holden. Alloytec = moderate performance but is not so good when the engine is actually built for performance over longetivity so it should have over 200kw. The flagship Gen IV 6 litre V8 giving off 270kw, at the end of the day it is still pushrod. You can get the same quantity of power (if not more)from an OHC V8 which is a mere 4 litre size, there may be less torque but not only does it weigh less and use substantially less fuel. It doesn’t waste torque unlike the pushrod. Next time you compare the maximum torque of a pushrod engine to an OHC configuration(single,double, or quad) simply take away about 30 percent of the maximum torque produced by the pushrod engine and then compare the amount of torque being considered by the two different engines as that ir a rough estimate of the torque that is wasted in a pushrod design engine.

A lot of people are missing the point about having a V8 under the bonnet it’s not all about the tech/spec shit. You may as well get your self a jap crap if you are not interested in an 8.

A WB V8 Ute is totally uneconomical in this day and age, but economy doesn’t form part of the equation in the purchasing process. It’s an Australian icon.

Also, it’s not only bogans that drive Utes.

Peace

Bogan George

Australian icon pfft…. when I see one go passed I dont think Icon, I think Idiot… wasting money on a friggin ute for your daily driver.

The ‘Icon’ part comes from people that acutally use these cars for their intended purpose, the labourers etc… not from tools driving a car that is far from a performance vehicle with a massive V8 under the bonnet.

“Damo” YOUR the dickhead! Holden engines over the years have been sum of the most reliable motors ever produced, you cant make a statement like that about all Holdens! I have driven Holdens all my life, maintained properly they have never let me down. I have a VE SS that gets an average of 11 litres/100kms! If you want to drive a pissy little butter box thats fine but dont take the piss out of people who actually drive for the enjoyment!!! I live in the country so when the VE ute comes out, sign me up!!! My current VS V6 ute(alloytec) has just over 600,000 kms on the clock(original engine) and gets used every day, yeah your right pretty crappy longevity!!!!
Will give you one thing though, the tail lights dont look the best, but i wont be lookin at em, you will be!!.

Who said Holden engines have been some{not sum} of the most reliable every produced. 600,000 klms RIGHT. HOW much oil did you use none also! Kept it self clean at all times and picked up chicks for you without you even being in the car. SLAP,SLAP ,SLAP.. are you awake or dreaming. Your lucky your not driving a Yank car you would have not only a BCE {BEFORE CHRIST ENGINE } but a rear end that came out of a COB & Co Coach. Wake up stop dreaming drive something else or are you afraid to be converted into the new millenium.CHEVS DONT REV !!!!!!!!!!!!

How on earth does that ute look good? Someone did a chop job on it. How many 14 year olds did it take to design it????????

11 litres every 100 ks ,do you drive it or tow it?

Butter boxes are great at nailing baking trays.

Oh yer how did holden do in the 12 hour Bathurst race? Did they turn up?

See you in my mirror baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talking out MY ASS????????????

Your a real wanker!!!!!!!!300 REAR WHEEL KWS @300,000 klm s plus??? Chevs dont Rev ,its not a question its an answer. Yes mate I do know all about stroking!!!You do too clearly!!!

BMW V10 ,World Engine in its class,sorry no Chevs there!!!

One day Holden is going to run out of engine bay space if they keep increasing the litres and not the technology !!!

lisa, its silly to make a comparison between bmw and holden. we all know bmw is not even in the same ballpark, let alone financially to holden. and hell, i dont really like holden myself and unbelievably enough have owned a bmw e30 which was one of the most exiting cars ive ever driven, despite its lack of power. I can tell you a car that is better than both merc and BMW, and thats AUDI. Thats not a statement, THAT IS A FACT

keep your opinionated nonsense to yourself

and im sure many others wouldnt agree with you either.

audi have the build quality that bmw cant match, and that too me says alot more about the safety features that bmw and merc always bang on about, and the dedication the company has to the consumer, also being that audis are still actually made in germany (stuttgart?) and not south africa. although i will say bmws are exciting as hell, as audi lack driver feel. maybe im just biased because my mum drives an audi, but am still a bimmer fan at heart!

Am taking orders now for those who want to be seen in a new VE ute. Email brads@baycityholden.com.au for more details.

Wow, the comments here are from regular rhodes scholars.

…

No seriously, keep going.

You’re all idiots.

Hey lisa, 600,00 genuine kms. Yes it was serviced regularly and does use a bit of oil. (a good engine should use a little) Nup have never picked up chicks in it, it’s a work ute!!! Sounds like you are one of these rich chicks whose daddy has bought her a european car for her to play in!!!
Oh and redoctober obviously you love reading the comments.. No seriously keep reading!!
Cant wait for your reply Einstein.

FORD has been proven to produce more horsepower without the need for any forced injection so f*#k the holden 6.0L cant beat the BOSS

yeah, workin the streets HAHAH

Your point maybe they serve a purpose IN THIS COUNTRY,I don’t disagree . My point is their behind the times in their engine manufactuuring. That was why BMW was mentioned .And the Cost well I have had that argument with you before !

Damo and Harold are spot on.

And Max you haven’t disapointed me in your behavior,just renforced my thoughts on Holden supporters. You have your own special mentality , knuckle draggers!!!!!!!!

NO 1 Holden hatter on this site!!!!!!!

pwned.

I ts cute but i cant see my self buying one, and i see it too.

I agree with B missile, jason my brother drives bmw and i drive ford and always will but he used to drive a ford.

hey, Bavarian Missile
i was just checking out the BMW posts and it seems like you havent posted on the last few articles. whats goin on??
why do you have to come to the ford, holden and toyota sites and speak shit about how good BMW is?
you must not have any interest in the vehicles you post on otherwise you would not talk about a car that is not on the topic.
thats like me say goin to the new barina page and crapping on how good the new falcon is compared to the barina on safety an quality etc blah blah blah.
i wouldnt do it cause it is a vehicle in a different class get it? 2 less doors and half the price so you cant expect the same thing or quality etc.

What THE ?????What are you on??????????? And you are who ????

Go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn’t know I had a fan????????? Got nothin ?? What does that mean??? Take your hand off it. What you want pictures ??????????????????????

well im about to take delivery of a 6ltr vz tunder ute.
very happy now that i have seen the ve. why you cant get factory gps touch screen is crazy. its been out in the jap cars for years.
if any body can help with an inbuilt let me know.

Is that the new astra convertable,oh no its not.

Hey Andy,
being female I have to TRY and have the last word!

Sorry ,but I never meant to compare the B{WORD} against the H {word } or Ford {word} ,well not in the sense you and a lot of others have taken it! Sure I was full on when I started posting ,BUT thanks to some Sam counseling, I have simmered down . {Except when people push my buttons!!!!} I dont have any problem in saying as far as bang for your buck in Australia ,BMW can’t make it ! But my point is and dare I say it in Germany a BMW is a German Holden !! There every where and nothing special in Europe at All !! So when I get twats knocking them down and ranting on about them being ssssssooooooooo expensive here and not even meeting the standards of Holdens I get a little defensive . I mean landed in Australia a C6 Vet costs $240,000 wont even mention the Stang! but know one bangs on about that !!!!!! And their bloody American ,we all know American’s make crap .

Nope didn’t see the latest recall, but I did see the latest Unique cars with a Walking-Stick optioned up version. 380kws ??????? for an extra $26,000 .GULP!!Looks like it belongs in a remake of Mad Max,not the most attracive piece of beefed up metal I have seen!

i agree totally with Andrew.M, bavarian missile, you are a douche

Missile,
i know what females are like i have 3 sisters.
i know BMWS are like german holdens i have been there and you are right.
in fairness i must have missed the part where people were comparing and degrading BMWS, which is why i said they are in a different class here and could not possibly be compared on a fair scale.

im waiting for you to have the last word now (you know you want to)

David,
i know what you mean.
my last ute was lowered 2″ when i purchaced it. when i went to insure it i had the same problem. luckily my existing insure listed that on the quote. then i tried to shop around but the other companies wouldnt insure it. i went back to my existing insurer and queiried the 2″ aspect and they gulped. because it was already listed on the quote (im guessing by the “new girl” they honoured it, but told me it would be reviewed in 12 months time and probably not reissued.
but i upgraded with in the 12 months any way. one thing i would suggest is what some companies told me is to go with some one like “just car” insurance they deal with modified cars and will do it. dont know where you are from so i dont know if the names will ring a bell with you. “Just car” are a division of “AAMI”

also i dont know how much you want to lower it either the ss sits quite tidy on the road as is. if you head more than 1″ you will seriously compromise where you can take it.

my current ute has XR6 suspension and be buggered if i would lower it after my last ute being lowered. this is as low as i would go and remain practical.
but i depends what you do with it. im guessing you wont use it as a ute either?? am i right??

sure going over speed bumps on an angle etc is cool at the start,but it starts to get a bit frustrating. especially when you cant go up certain driveways with out scraping the bumper.

Gee Andrew it seems I am a little late,been busy at work trying to PAY for my German Holden .HAHAHA.

As a mother of 3 I don’t get much chance to have the last word,and I doubt this will be different.

thanks for your help i have given up
ill see when i get it how i feel.
if im not happy ill just do an inch????
about the exaust well i havent even asked yet. anyway ill pick it up saturday.

have a look at the new maloo ve awesom the best since sliced bread.
hopfully ill have one in a couple of year its just amaizing in the photos
thanks to you all.
insurance companys suck

David,
judging by the ugly back end on this one, i hope it doesnt get delivered

looks grrrrreeeaaatttt do you think they may do a crewman pls let me know

Bwah ha ha!!! I hope that it does look like that. It will make Holden a bigger embarrassment to the car industry then what it already is!!! It’s got to be the ugliest thing I have ever seen! Stick with the VZ utes. Much better! And less of an embarrassment too.

ok so you would drive it just because it is an icon/image thing not because it is a good ute…because as a ute it is quite useless and the falcon ute actually has more power so you must be the weak bitches if you choose to drive the commy

Sean: Holden has no plans at the moment to build a VE Crewman or 4×4 ute However a one tonne tray top is possible. If Holden don’t make a ute in the configuration you are after I’m pretty sure that The One Tonner Company will including Stepside Pick Up

The LWB VS Ute was mainly for Ambulances before they switched over to Merc Sprinters.. when the Ambos had enough the excess was sold off to the public.

Damo: If Pushrod V8s aren’t as good as OHC engines why is Ford switching back to them in 2010?
You think that 270-300Kw is all that can be extracted from the Pushrod V8 – Holden have de-tuned the engines slightly inorder to reach the optimum efficiency for day to day driving. Don’t Forget CAPA has an SS Ute producing 1000Hp and Ben Bray has a 2500Hp ute both using Pushrods.

As for being able to get more power from an OHC? One of the reasons V8 Supecars have stuck with Pushrods is because its easier to get more power out of them.. they’re cheaper and can last longer beteen rebuilds etc.

The HRT V8 Engine can produce 600-700BHP which is only 200BHP less than the high-tech V10s used in F1.. Which don’t sound as good or last as long as the V8s
If they didn’t want their cars to last as long or be as relaible as they are I’m pretty sure with a bit more tweaking etc they’d get even closer.

OHC Engines may use the latest technology compared to Old Pushrods.. However;the USA spent millions working on a pen theat would work in space.. the Russians took a pencil.

do you know when the wagon is getting released for sale and are there any manual models 6 or 8

christoph,
yeah i agree totally with azza. thanks azza you saved me some time in writing exactlly what i would have

The falcon has only once outsold the Commodore since the VT, and that happened mid 2004 i think.

And stop comparing a BA/BF Falcon to VT-VZ chassis!! (The Commodore’s) was platform was 5 years old when the BA came out, of course it was going to feel it. (Though in many comparisions, alot of jorno’s said the Commodore felt more complete)

Plus, how long has ford used the outside bodyshell (doors ect) for its falcon??? Since the 98′ AU Falcon!!! (not as long as when Ford used the exterier shell for the Falcon ute, 1979 XC/XD – 1998 EL!!

And when was leaf springs and Live rear axle invented (that underpins current Falcon Ute and Wagon, and the apparant ‘mucho’ Mustang!!!!)

Also, Ford copied Holden in purchasing (or using) other vehicles (BMW 5 series, Audi A6 ect) for development benchmarks, and guess what else was there??? Yep A VE Commodore!!! Stop with your FORD bias bullshit!!!

And Ford’s ’5 year old’ Inline 6??? That engine mate was designed in the early 70′s, it’s well advanced than those days, but original design mate, 30 years old!!!

HOLDEN / DAEWOO / OPEL / VAUXHALL / GM / ETC MEANS A GREAT DEAL TO AUSTRALIA. Take the Kombidore out of your lineup and what have we got… We have seen many cars with the Kombidore picasso paintings on various guises… Adventra, Avalanche, CV6, CV8, etc, etc, etc and heaps of same type of cars come and go very quickly and the reason Holden has done well is the Kombidore had so many model variations. Stand in the sun and gloat budgie boy, it will turn full circle like all in life and only temporary. The car is flogged to death and it too will have a shelf life!!! Nice motor in the Kombidore, shame fleet numbers account for a fair wad in the statistics????

TYPO LAST ONE… should be any plans to merge Kombidore over to Toyota, aah the Lexcen. Maybe do a spiffy number with the Statesman and call it the Norman (after Greg Norman) or a V8 and call it Stormin’ Norman (you know who that is right????)

the ve ute looks tough and powerful 270 kw

Okay, firstly to answer Superh77, the wagon will be available in both 6 and 8 and is expected to be released very close to the time of the VE ute, which is on 22 Aug. 2007. Most likely the only manual version will be the SS, but don’t quote me on that.

And now to reply to some people that clearly know nothing about the rules of V8 supercars and quite possibly a number of other things. The figure of 600 kg of lead, that was the maximum the Holdens were required over approximatley 10 years to carry. The reason to carry it is due to rules set by CAMS, this is based on overall vehicle weight and the power of the engine, also known as a power to weight ratio for the less educated. the lead that is carried is in the form of sheeting which is close to 5mm thick, lead is used because the sheets are soft and plyable, which means it can be bent to fit in to the boot or on the floor etc. The reason they have not stopped using it is due to the rules. If the rule wasnt in place as it is, Ford probably wouldn’t win a race let alone a championship. The rule is in the interest of fairness.

Also, there is currently a rule which is expected to be changed sometime in the next few years, (when Ford catch up) that will see the engine capacity raised to accommodate the 6 Litre engine. Holden may be driving VE Commodores on the track, but they still have the 5.7 Litre enigne.

Why is this? This is due to Ford dragging the chain on development of a larger capacity engine. Chevrolet developed this current 6 Litre engine 3 years ago and put it into production 2 years ago. Ford on the other hand are not expect to have a 6 Litre engine in production until around 2010 at the earliest and the last news I had from the US is it could even be 2012.

And Mitch seems to be one the smartest guys here or atleast well researched… Nah smart… When Ford outsold Holden in mid 2004, it was in the last quarter of that financial year due to a directive of Ford America, to sell as many Falcons as possible to get sales up. This was done to give the impression the billion dollars spent by Ford America in designing was well spent.

Yes I said Ford America, Ford in Australia build the Falcon with slight design changes to a Ford designed, built and sold America. I have seen them and unfortunately the model name escapes me at the moment. It was about 5 years ago I last saw one.

I will give Azza one thing though, the AU was not one of Ford’s finer cars, but seriously who gives a toss about that dinosaur. The finest car Ford produced was the Cobra, the original Cobra, none of the bullshit remakes, the original and only because Shelby had a big part in helping Ford get it right.

That said… I’m done…

When I added my two bob’s worth on this blog, it wasn’t to get in to a pissing contest with morons. Any person can get some of the information from car magazines or because they own a car they all of a sudden have the knowledge of all cars, but I choose to use the dozens of contacts I have around the world, that I gathered over a 20 year career in the motoring industry as a prototype and concept vehicle tester for a number of manufacturers including Holden and Ford to mention just two.

If the Falcon was really a good car it would be sold further abroad than New Zealand. The VE Commodore is currently sold in Australia, New Zealand, Fiji. It is also rebadged for a number of markets including the USA, Europe, U.K. and the Middle East.

But I’m sure some people on this site will come up with reasons why the Falcon isn’t sold elsewhere or maybe a list countries they overheard a friend that knows a dealer talking about once upon a time.

First hand experience is better than the hearsay of morons.

Wow… Look at the little Holden Terrorist open his big mouth. You think I don’t know shit, I can guarantee you right now that I know heaps more about cars then you. I know this because in your ridiculously abusive comment, you failed to mention any specs that might actually help Holden out in this debate… not to mention that you actually support Holden over BMW… You sound like every other Holden moron that opens their trap! They make no sense, can’t spell and are ridiculously bias! If you make so much money then why don’t you go and spend it on something like an overly dear Holden that will fall apart within the year!

By the way, over here the BMW is not what the Wannabee Rich drive, it is what the Rich drive, incase you haven’t quite realised!

And before anyone else decides to open their mouth and say that I’m the bias one, and am sticking up for Ford… Let me just say this:
Although Ford is a crap load more reliable, luxurious and overall has better performance, they still do not compete with BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and all the Rich people cars!

christoph,
how can you be the V8 supercars “know all/god” when you think they run a 5.7L V8???
so how are we meant to believe your future predictions when you cant get right what is going on now?
also dont forget about the front splitter that had to get cut back on the falcons many years ago in the interest of parity or the ford suspension that holden use.

who cares where a car is sold? does it make it any better?
mate i only buy what is available here i dont see what i can get in the middle east and say wow ill take one of those

AZZA, Your the moron!!!

You don’t need to be rich to buy a BMW!!!

The same goes for most european models!

But i do understand where your coming from though cause i would prefer to pay $85000 for a BMW than some crappy holden…

sorry man,

I always put my foot in it!! haha..

I didn’t see that guys posting’s…

I have a 2007 ve ss,with a spare mag wheel,not ordered.Having traded a ’99 vs base ute,it is a head turning conversation starter,if it has so many flaws,fords must b perfect then.