2007 Holden VE SS-V Ute Review
2 Nov, 2007
241 Comments 
2007 Holden VE SS-V Ute Review
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Recommended Retail Price: $44,900
Options Fitted: Automatic transmission - $2000
- by Karl Peskett
Rule number one when testing a Holden SS-V Ute: Because I’m driving a ute, I’m automatically a nice guy. Phew! I was starting to worry there. But seriously, why else would complete strangers walk up, run their hands over your car, and suddenly start talking to you?
“Hey mate, is that the new yoot? Coooool!” was a common reaction. As are the light-‘em-up gestures that you get from truck drivers and their passengers. Seriously, there aren’t many cars I’ve tested which have had the same amount of interest. From accountants to tradies, the stares and pointed fingers unify.
As much as I hate to generalise, Australians seem to be magnetically drawn to utes. There’s a certain appeal which transcends class and culture. Perhaps it’s the fact that it’s a national icon, proudly touted as being invented here. Or perhaps it’s just the fact that you can get a log-lugger with sports suspension, big brakes, spoilers, and, oh yes, six swept litres of bent eight.
The L98 fuel injected V8 powerplant is no different from the standard SS-V sedan in application. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t sound different. The exhaust note comes through the tray, setting up a drone at 110km/h which can get on your nerves, especially on unmodulated throttle.
But on acceleration, the induction sounds magnificent, exactly like a V8 should. The exhaust pipes too, are a decent size, so spending money on a full stainless steel setup would probably be a waste of time.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 11:24 pm
I want one.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Looks like a short ute with alot of rear over hang.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:20 am
Got a nice profile, the gap between the tray and cabin ruins the look of the ford utes
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 am
I don’t want one.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 am
never understood the appeal for utes… a big ol waste of space.. why have 2 seats will all that space??
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November 3rd, 2007 at 6:51 am
The legendary bogan car!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:01 am
WHERE IS THE BENCH SEAT????
NO SALE, BACK TO FALCON UTE AGAIN….SIGH!
CHEERS
F-0
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:30 am
To me this is just a Mighty Boy with abit more over hang at the back.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:33 am
I actually like the look. Cant wait for Orion to come out - they better nail the look of the car across the range of Falcons…..
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:42 am
Just typical of Holden, they produce another winner.
And listen to the Ford nuts whine…..
Just admit it, it’s a far better looking ute than the other aging offering.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:47 am
Ford would be working on something.
WHY THE **** DID CHANNEL SEVEN REFUSE TO SHOW BAHRAIN LIVE LAST NIGHT? It made me have to stay up later then I realy had to and because of that, I missed the start when I checked http://v8supercar.bigpond.com and found out that the race was allmost over.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:51 am
Look at that same old Holdenwoo nut, no reason to say it’s a winner, yet it may not be bad but the other “aging offering” is about to be upgraded.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:59 am
Driving ford, everything i have read about the new ute has been glowing, even rational ford fans are saying its great and ford is going to have their work cut out to get their ute up to the same standard.. but nooooooo you still have to be a wanker about it. Take those rose coloured glasses off for once in a while mate
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:06 am
Richo, what the Fu** are you on? CALL ME A WANKER WILL YOU IDIOT!
Who said that the VE ute is bad?
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:10 am
Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX - YOU ARE CORRECT. Richo he did NOT say it is bad. Geepers…crikey…golly mate get it real Hobo Richo as it is nice mate!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:14 am
Richo and Reckless1 are both #1 DICKHEADS EVER BEEN ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND 2 HOLLOW SKULLS THAT KNOW LITTLE ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN SPROOKING ON ABOUT VE UTE BEEN BETTER THAN FORD AND SAYING I’M A WANKER(richo is a wanker)! THEY HAVE THE BEHAVUOR OF 10 YEAR OLDS THAT JUST BEEN BRAIN-WASHED BY DUMBARSE PARENTS. NO, MAYBEY FROM A MENTAL WARD AND SPECIAL ED CLASS AT THEIR SCHOOL!!
P.S. “1″ in Reckless1 is for n.o.1 idiot! :P
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:19 am
looks like Reckless1, is copping it now!
The ute is good, even I’m saying that.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:25 am
Gee thanks for bringing common sense to the situation, for a second thought to myself. WTF…is this dude Toyota Paul impersonater. Who said he is a caveman. His name is Richo and not the MISSING LINK
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:29 am
As for other one. DER…Falcon is older. We understand VE is over wheel flared arch behometh, fugly rear tailights that look like Mr Bean designed them and has made in Falkland Islands crap handbrake cheap nasty poxy shitty bad look - it is a nice car nevertheless….FOR NOW.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:20 am
A little improved by Holden but nothing special still just a ute, the rear is ordinary compared to the falcon overall Ford still wins in the looks department…
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:27 am
the falcon ute and commy are 2 different kettles of fish.
the commy exerts no practicallity of the purpose of a ute.
i didnt think the review was that promising.
it made reference to a misfiring V8 and a gearbox thats still lacking compared to the ford box, an interior that looked worse than the pics and you already had 2 warranty complaints just from a test drive!!!!
that doesnt matter i suppose, holden will sell these purely on exterior looks and image.
i also cant stand coloured dash boards!!!! like the review said it will probably haunt you at resale time. i think heavily coloured interiors date too quickly. i also wouldnt mind betting the interior will fade in parts too.
coloured interiors YUCK!!!!!!!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:32 am
Think of the Holden V8 ute as a sports car that comes in real handy when you need to go to the tip or pick up some furniture at the mall! What’s wrong with that !
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:39 am
Yes it wouldn’t matter if the VE had one seat, three wheels, 1 cylinder and was painted pink with purple dot’s, alot of people will believe this would be the best ute since sliced bread.
QUOTE: “My daddy told me Holdenwoo was the best car in the world so I won’t but anything else”. How one eyed is that…
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:53 am
The Ford children prove themselves to be stupid again.
Tantrums from nappy wearers :)
The way they carry on about a company that doesn’t pay their wages is scary.
Maybe if they put their misguided passion into studying for their High School entry exams, they could eventually finish school and be capable of critical thinking rather than tantrums when their dummy doesn’t have honey on it.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 11:07 am
Ha! It’s got to be one of the most distasteful looking utes produced by Holden. The Maloo looks like it weighs 4 tonnes! The funny thing about it is, this ute is bloody ugly, and the wagon is worse! Holden are dumb, they copy the look of several good looking cars, combine it, call it VE and still stuff it up! Whoo yeah! Holden mean a great deal to Australia… right… cause what company invented the ute again???
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 pm
is driving ford and and naughtyius the same person? i think they may be. Regardless i haven’t seen a tantrum that good in a while. What a tosser, sif you’d get THAT excited over what someone else is saying over the internet. Internet Warriors YARRR!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Yes Azza, who invented the ute? …”Holdenwoo did” (Buzzer) NOOOO, it was Ford! :D
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:19 pm
Richo - A cunning try-hard idiot, same with Reckless tantrum #1 :) Two foolish HoldenWOO freaks that can’t come up with a better come back other then having a TANTRUM!! :P
P.S. IF RICHO THINKS IT’S SO GROWIN UP, THEN IT SHOULD ACT LIKE IT THEN!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 pm
wow.. have i looked in the mirror.. you tool… those insults going round in todays school yards must be alot stronger then in my day! We only called people willy’s and doodle heads
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Nah Mate, I can better that! :P
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November 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pm
The Holdenwoo fans allways seem to target me because of my screen name.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I’m a Holden man and I like this new Ute (even the new wrap around tail lights).
But I think the adds for this new Ute are stupid, EVOLUTION ENDS HERE. What a load of crap. Evolution obviously doesn’t end here as its not perfect.
Does this mean that Holden will be no longer designing and making any more Utes? Because according to them Evolution ends with this VE Ute.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Kris,
i agree.
what are they no longer making utes after the VE? thats what the ads suggest.
also they call it the “ultimate ute”. well no its not that either because an ultimate ute would carry more than 500kgs!!!!
motor and gearbox are areas where they still lack compared to their ford rival. arent they the important things in a car? nothing ultimate about that.
the only thing i can say this new range has is styling. its new, its fresh and it looks alright in sports guise.
and that last sentence is all holden ever counts on in selling their utes
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:14 pm
I think the 2008 orion Falcon ute should have an ad like the VE’s ad, but it shows the 1934 ute (First ute). Oh and also no slogans like, “EVOLUTION ENDS HERE” because that sounds like what Kris Commodore said, not comming up with new uts.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:25 pm
Kris: I’m sure Holden will continue to design/build better utes in the Future.. “Evolution ends here” is just a slogan created by an advertising guru who knows nothing about cars.. I mean Holden also have a radio ad which mentions a 1987 Ute - yet they didnt make a ute in 1987
It’s the same as Gilette and it’s slogan “the best a man can get!” - yet they went from 3 blades to 4 now 5 [in the future there’ll probably be the Gilette ‘X’ with 10 blades]
The Evo
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:31 pm
yes wheelnut, how about Gilette 50000!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Azza: in regards to the look of the VE ute and Wagon which you claim are bloody ugly.
May I remind you that the AU Sedan/Ute was no oil painting either [Nor was the XF when compared to the VL]. Yet Ford made the necessary changes and came out with the BA which even I as a Holden fan admit looks good.
So just as the AU was the first of a new “edge” look for the Falcon [which morphed into BA-BF] so to is the VE a new design for the Commodore. Therefore; I expect that Holden will listen to any feedback customers have on the VEs design etc and make gradual improvements/changes to it over the next couple of years.. Just as Ford did with the AU.
To prove that Holden are listening; there are reports that the VE2 could have a ZF 6 Speed Auto instead of the GM one
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November 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
AHHHH, WTF? Did anyone notice the aerial on the ute? Look at the size of it! It must come with a 2-way radio, or a satellite phone!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 3:45 pm
Again another article flooded by Ford fairies attacking another brand…and Im the one who is said to be small minded! Although I dont like the SS, the rear is fugly, I can see the advantage of it for tradesmen who can buy a car like this, write some of it off for tax and have a car for the weekend.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm
No surprise the usual suspect keyboard warriors immediately pour scorn on this (and whoever doesn’t agree) without even giving reason, save for competing to be the most one eyed of all. Come on guys, you’re bigger than this.
Anyway, I’m pretty sure Holden have designed this with a ’sport’ flavor in mind rather than practicality. Get the one-tonner when it comes out for that. For practicality 270KW+ in a work ute isn’t as wise as it sounds, I think it’s more to tide coupe lovers over till the Camaro or Monaro arrive.
I like it, it’s neat, the bodylines are clean and simple, and the front design isn’t all over the shop.
The coloured interior is complete juvenile rubbish needs to go, and the rear isn’t fantastic, but I do like it. A ZF gearbox would be welcome, the GM auto’s are utter caca on the whole.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Hey football dickhead, stay at your politics forum.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Just a quick point:
Neither Ford nor Holden is more Australian, they wouldn’t be around today with out the yanks coming over and starting a brand. Holden in itself was just no great car builder until GM came to the party. Which I might add was a result of the Australian government asking for “Austalia’s own car” Ford and GMH both submitted ideas to the goverment and the same time.
and as for the old “Football, Meatpies, Kangeroos and Holden Cars” line….
KangAroos is spelt with an A not an E. One would hope an Australian so true blue would know that.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 4:59 pm
some dates:
Ford were building complete cars in Australia as early as 1925 as an outpost of Ford Motor Company of Canada Ltd. this was back when Ford Canada and Ford USA were different companies.
Holden were building motor bodies to fit chassis of buick and dodge cars in 1919 but did not build a complete car until General Motors came and bought the business in 1931.
basically its six and one half a dozen the other.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:16 pm
I tell everyone i’m leaving to avoid clogging up this page even further with bullshit “this brand is better then that brand” stuff, and since then there has been SEVEN comments thrown at me about using the name “willy” (obviously they arent too farmiliar with sarcasm) or other such things, the last of which was asking if i was back yet? Do you REALLY need me around to have a good time being an internet warrior? How about i dunno.. going outside and doing something constructive?
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:18 pm
..and this is why I believe that all car news sites should never have a forum or blog comments enabled. They’re all visited by biased retards who cannot appreciate other vehicles than their favourites.
Grow up, the lot of you.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:25 pm
whilst i am a ford fan i do agree with a lot of the posts guys, post your opinion but enough of the bagging crap gets rather tiring!
I did note that a lot of the features promote as being so brilliant are already in the ford equivalent…. cup holders, storage behind the seats, a standard tray liner! these are all things amongst other that ford already offered! the coloured interiors are yuck and as a lot have said whilst a ute is the aussie sports car/coupe a such a small payload is rather rediculous. Whilst there is the misconception that holden is the aussie car company however a better car by ford will not translate into more sales than holden….. really am praying that ford still take advantage of the fact that holden are still praying catch up in the overall package of the ute!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
is still a good crack though holden….will have to what and see what the ford equivalent matches up like now
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:27 pm
actually JP, ford have been selling more falcon utes then holden has commodore utes ever since the AU ute was released. Its only the sedans in which holden sells more, but ford definetly sell more utes then holden, and have done so for a very long time
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:30 pm
well there you go, have never really looked into the break up of sales…… will be interesting to see how this years fugures end up in that case. ie does ford still remina on top given they are selling the capable but dated bf against the “all new” ve
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November 3rd, 2007 at 5:33 pm
No ground clearance…no one tonner…..coil sprung IRS rear suspension…….no tray…….VE Ute is the total opposite of what a ute is supposed to be……VE Ute is just a large fuel guzzling glovebox on wheels. Only made for very light loads, a passenger and a motor bike will just about have the back dragging on the ground. and those bloody massive front wheel arches look even worse on the Ute…..paint and panel repair guys will make a fortune fixing all the scrapes and dents that these oversized mud collectors will attract.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Is there going to be a VE Crewman, or are they discontinued? When they came out, they were thing, every Holden fan was winging on.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 7:44 pm
thats right Richo,
the falcon ute has been in the #1 spot for a long time. even #1 through the whole 4 yrs that the AU was produced aswell!!!!
it even outsold the much cheaper/basic workhorse in the Hilux.
the ford ute only needs a fresh face thats it!!!!! as for being a ute they are already all over the commy. ford had space cab and cup holders/trayliner since ‘99!!!!!
holden are all about style and thats the market they sell to so if it works for them …well….let em do that i say. people who want a work ute of any sort wont buy the commy. simple.
ive never been fussed on holden interiors. the VY was a great improvement though.
the red (like in any car that has tried it) looks old fashioned already.
The holden ute is a show pony and thats it. im sure many people already realise this anyway by now.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 7:51 pm
RICHO…. spot on.
ANDREW M… This Commodore is a show pony and Fords invented it too! In my travels with work I rarely see significant volumes of Commodores, mainly Falcons. My painter and tile supply company have it, painter has a VE SS. Nice but hassles with it! But then he is 24yr and thrashes it bigtime!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm
… Ford invented the beaut ute
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Yeah Ford Ford Ford, Ford Ford Ford Ford… ummmm Ford Ford Ford Ford, Ford. Ford Ford Ford? Ford Ford.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:13 pm
They sure did Naughtyius Maximus!!!!!!!!!!!!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:25 pm
TOYOTA PAUL…you are like one of those heads you put the ping pong balls downe to win items at Luna Park. That is the equal of you at times… sorry always. Get back on subject as Iam laughing again. When all is said and done I do like reading ya posts on what ya dig up on the information superhighway! Just stay OFF R rated sites!
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November 3rd, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Yes I do find information, just wandering where you found the info that suggested 3.5 million Toyotas have been recalled since 2006:
caradvice.com.au/7642/toyota-halts-sales-of-the-v6-rav4/#comment-34968
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Alborz, honestly you need to clean up the comments section on this site. Its getting ridiculous, just have a look at this thread.
The article presented is about the VE ute and yet most posts are about Ford, the Ford Ute, Ford’s history, ‘Holden sux’…oh yeah, and Ford lol. I don’t think I am the only one who doesn’t see this as constructive or interesting.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:01 pm
i agree jason,
but no one makes you read the comments and i doubt if people couldnt post what they want or how they feel then the reader traffic would be much lower.
i only visit this site because it is easy to leave a comment and follow others that do so aswell.
its the indepth arguments that keep people coming back i think
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Andrew M, it is comments of utter stupidity (Naughtyius Maximus, Going Ford, Is The Going Thing, Driving-Fords-Is-like-XXX), and the fact that they spam the forum with their often pointless, lame comments that spoil this site, and I’m sure it would stop people coming back.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 pm
i dont think holden makes any secret of the fact that the new ute isn’t really intended to be a heavy duty work ute, why would they need to while they have the rodeo in their range? They designed the VE ute to be the ute that people who dont need a ute but buy a ute because they like them will buy. It’s designed to lug around trail bikes and jetski’s, not bricks and tools. Maybe they will make a VE one tonner to do that kind of stuff, but in the mean time i think they freely admit that this is more of a 2 door sports car that can carry and trail bike, and hey alot of people love it and alot of people will buy it! So props to them.
They’re also gonna export it to the US where the yanks will snap it up by the thousands… over there i would guestimate that only 50% of utes bought are actually used for work! And i think australia is slowly starting to go that way too
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:30 pm
We won’t be able to moderate all comments made, but I’ll see if its possible to add some sort of comment rating plug-in like in YouTube to improve the quality of conversation.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:33 pm
and hey i’m happy to admit it! I love utes! So much so that i seriously wanted an XR6 turbo ute even tho i have never really liked fords! thats how much i love utes lol, but this new VE, some people dont like the guards and so forth, but i think it looks fantastic and no amount of “holdens are made of poo poo’s and fords r beta cos they is and holdens are just daewoos called holdenwoo’s naaahhhhh fords are like XXXX” is going to make me change my mind :)
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:34 pm
That sounds good George. I can understand that you can’t moderate all comments made (talk about time consuming!), and I love the fact that posts are shown immediately. However, anything that can be done to reduce the pointless drivel would be much appreciated.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 10:47 pm
whilst i agree with u jason (as expressed in earlier post) about quality of convo, i think u need to expect the convo to contain a lot of comments about the nearest competitor when any review is posted….lambo’s are always goin to contain plenty of comments about ferrari’s, civic’s plenty about azda 3’s etc. the ford vs. holden battle is not the exception to the rule. i do agree with andrew m however whilst the ease of access allows some crap posts, it also allows some great and easy free flowing conversation which when applied by like minded people conversing about the pos and negs about a car is brilliant for consumer based education by like minded users……
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November 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pm
just another cheap offering by holden! the new ford will kill it in sales as you can do more then put ur tampon pack in the back and its at the weight limit. dam gone are the days when u put the couch in the back n drive around sinking piss and hitting letter boxes over with a baseball bat.
As for the ariel on the bloody thing could holden not find a supplier in Koera that could do an in glass ariel? My brother tested his Aurion’s in glass ariel and we had it on Nova and we got to Horsham which is just over 3 hours from Melbourne when normally reception gets fuzzy on the Melbourne side of Ballarat, which is about 1.5 hours from Melb. This is what Holden offers after spending 1 billion bucks, maybe if they updated their car technology more often they would not have to cough up so much.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 11:41 pm
In depth arguments?
Who comes here for the arguments? I come here to learn about whats happening in the auto industry and to make up my own mind about the subject matter in the article. I don’t come here to argue with other readers.
Its an incredibly annoying problem, and its even worse on car video sites like StreetFire as even with video evidence biased commenter’s spout gibberish that completely disregards what they’ve just seen.
Whats even worse is a lot of these same people haven’t much experience using such sites and type in all caps, or take offense at other peoples insults, thinking that its a serious altercation.
All I want to see are the articles. Not the people who can’t see a vehicle for its good or bad points without a biased standpoint.
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November 4th, 2007 at 1:53 am
You make good points KC, but at the end of the day it is impossible for people to have NO personal bias one way or the other, is simply the way we are wired, there will always be bias in the way we look at things which will therefore influence our opinions. Sometimes it’s so subtle you dont even realise that you are being biased, its just one of those things that can never be COMPLETELY gotten rid off.
The difference is though some people atleast TRY and be objective and put their personal biases aside and comment based on the facts infront of them rather then what they have pre-conceived in their heads. Unfortunately though alot of people find the concept of objectivity completely beyond their grasp.
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November 4th, 2007 at 8:03 am
JUST WANNA SOMERISE WHAT EVERYONE IS BULL$%^%%$^& ABOUT HERE. FOR A START IF FORD ARE BETTER WHY IS HOLDEN SELLING MORE CARS!!!!!!!!! THIS POST IS ABOUT HOLDEN SO TALK BOUT HOLDEN ETC, AND WHEN THERE IS A POST BOUT FORD JUST TALK BOUT CRAP THERE…….ENOUGH SAID
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November 4th, 2007 at 8:50 am
Agree with KC some posts are purile rubbish that are always on the attack.They say more about themselves when they write.Hopefully there on road behaviours differ.
It is a colourful world out there.
To me it is no surprise that a performance UTE will attract a certain level of comment.
The words UTE & YOB both have something in common.
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:38 am
KC
if you only come here for the articles and dont like the discussions/arguments, then why did you keep scrolling down the page and read the comments and tfeel the need to ad to the argument yourself?
i do agree on the “one liners” that have no point and 5 out of 6 words in a sentence are insulting words. yeah get rid of those
Speed freek,
mate this article is about utes. ford sells more utes than holden does so i take it that in relation to this article holden doesnt sell more than ford.
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:42 am
i marvel at your summation skills speed freak! u truly got to the depth of the argument, except for maybe reading the last 20 posts……
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:48 am
This ute will still sell in numbers as dam mighty fine looker even with the shortfalls
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:48 am
Andrew.M stop trying to defend it mate, I know this hurts but fellow Ford supports like NM, Going Ford and Driving Ford is like XXX post drivel (NM to be fair is on and off, the other two provide absolutely NOTHING but Ford Ford Ford). Now we have our arguments but at least there is some structure to them, I think some comments need to be cleaned up, particularly those who are overly offensive (which Im guilty of occasionally),
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Cheers TOYOTA PAUL - too dam right and we all guilty of it
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November 4th, 2007 at 9:58 am
I would not hesitate getting Aurion Sportivo other current Holden or Ford as sweet stylish amazing car PERIOD. See what Ford dishes up. As for this HOLDEN, if they did LPG only motor would get over Ford current model
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:01 am
occasionally toyota paul? Thats your first post in the last 4 days that wasn’t overly offensive/stupid/pointless.
What we need is a forum that can be moderated. I understand this is a car blog website and hence the open comments system, but whether it was intended or not this website has developed a community of regular readers. It would be good to have a forum where the regulars can hang out, and if it was moderated then it would give people a reason to think before they fire off a stupid one line comment.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Refer RICHO @ 1.53am as true. ANDREW M… also states it is arguments and what nots that attract people to come on here which is true.
NO SWEAR WORDS OR MASSIVE PUT DOWNS AND KEEP IT RELATED TO SUBJECT TOPIC WHICH WE ARE “ALL” GUILTY OF
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:04 am
TOM in all fairness that would make it worse. It can be cleaned up and think it was GEORGE who touched on this and looking at getting something uploaded off you tube so it can check whether comment would be accepted before uploading onto this website?
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:15 am
TOM other point is, it has developed a community of regular readers because of the great setup and unreal info on site available. If it was changed it could be detrimental a tad me thinks.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am
NM that sounds ok, but from my occasional visit to youtube i haven’t really seen that system work at stopping stupid posts being made. It stops swear words and common insults but not stupid comments. As for rating each comment made, again that doesn’t seem to deter people.
A forum doesn’t mean the open comments system has to go, it just means some threads won’t turn into the casual chit chat between people. That way the comments can be kept focussed on the topic, and if regulars want to talk about something else then they can go to a forum and not fill each topic with random conversation.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:16 am
Holden has ruled out making a Crewman as it was just an experiment and there was too many unique panels invovled for such a low-volume project.
However; they are apparently considering a One Tonner yet it’s not expected until the VE “facelift” at the end of next year.
If you want a VE Crewman I’m sure either the One Tonner Company or Hillier Conversions will be happy to modify a VE Wagon for you when it comes out.
And as for Exporting the VE Ute reports on other Auto websites suggest that the ute WON’T be exported to the USA - mainly due to the $AUD. Which is good as it’s OUR ute and we get to retain the world ute record at Deni.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:18 am
I’m not saying we change the site, I’m just saying add a forum and keep article comments to just that, comments on the article.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:21 am
Shame Crewman gone. That had potential! And why cannot Holden do a straight only LPG in house like Ford do!!!!!
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Yes Tom agree. But if CARADVICE add another forum… too much information and people like it simple and no change. The home page would be clogged up on both forms of communication. I strongly think the current set up is fine as, many reviews may filth reading and they do do it in a black and white manner with no holds barred favoritism to any car maker. That is what makes it unique. It is just that the website perhaps needs to market name more getting advertising banners on other sites, etc to grow it. Like really it is a bloody great website as is! Comments have been removed and that should be warning bells to tone it down. EVERYBODY JUST TONE IT DONE (no massive attacks or putdowns and no swear words)
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Tom I dont always use offensive lanugage mate… and if you take into account the circumstances of the last days I think you will find the reason why I have been using more than usual.
As for this place, I dont mind its current format… it just needs someone to clean up the crap that occasionally starts surfacing, currently people can post prity much whatever they like.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:41 am
TP… agree. And everyone dont rip into TP as like I said he does dig up some good stuff on internet - that does not make him a pork chop and makes him provide more comments! That is real great and in my opinion NOT bad hey! We all piss each other off and just accept that; so dont think Iam biased as simply NOT. I just try the humour side (as my name suggests) as trying to get JOKES happening too!
Current site is fine!
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November 4th, 2007 at 11:26 am
Nice write up Karl,very well written!
Not fond of the interior colour, a little loud for my liking.
How many ks had it done ? Interesting you got that response from people,looks like Holden have yet another popular product.
I get an equal amount of responses driving the new Cobra,thumbs up and big smiles where ever I go!
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November 4th, 2007 at 11:41 am
Yeah Cobra is nice. But this ute is slick and cool. The fitment at bottom of rear window is testament to why I rate this above Ford (FOR NOW). This will sell I expect and it is hot. SHAME TOM GORMAN FOR TURNING UP AT HOLDEN STAND AND NOT FORCING HARDER STANCE WITH WHERE FORD IS GOING - how many years of indecisiveness will you also do on Iosis, Verve and Kluga! Get rid of Tom quicksmart! Taken ages to get Fiesta (after Festiva gone) and Focus, and Mondeo. Ford would have a great line up as follows, including; but not limited to:
Fiesta
Focus
Verve
Mondeo (as much as like it is still to AU - but works, hot)
Iosis
Falcon +LPG more models
Kluga
Territory (update) +LPG more models
Fairlane (much more style away from Falcon)
LTD (much more style away from Falcon)
FPR (SIGNIFICANTLY much more style away from Falcon)
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November 4th, 2007 at 11:42 am
…trim finish inside at bottom of rear window
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November 4th, 2007 at 11:43 am
i have to say when i first saw this product i didnt like it, still dont like the SS-V trim, but now like the styling! i think they may of got the ute and wagon styles just right this time!!! oh how hard that is to say
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November 4th, 2007 at 11:48 am
TONYN…hell yeah, the wagon style is just right as it looks classy as and European chic at rear - that is why Tom Gorman was there at Motor show as looked tad glum. All bag Holden, lets see how history will unfold in Korea as all must admit it will take time to wave the wand over there to get better products. Like also I left out the Captiva - nice as, that is why everywhere I see them.
Anyone who might be crappy complaining of current cars is looking back and holding on to the past - not FORWARD!
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November 4th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Paul,
who am i defending?
i agree that the trashy insulting comments have to be cleaned up.
and i must say i have never resorted to them
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November 4th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
NM - It has been reported in both Wheels/Motor as well as a number of auto websites that Chris Gubbey Holdens new CEO is in intent on scrapping Mooneys “Failde” Daewoo project and switching back to Opels.
Which makes sense as Holden still import the Astra range from Europe so why should the Barina be any different?
Apparently Gubbey is a man dedicated to his job and the company who; when he has a plan/goal he pretty much does whatever it takes to achieve it.
Therefore; I expect that it won’t be too long before we see the return of cars like the Corsa; the Vectra and hopefully the GT.
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November 4th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Gee Wheelnut… good shit yaq dug up. LEGEND MATE
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November 4th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
WHEELNUT… could you put up where and what you seen (ie: Nov 07 Wheels, etc)
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:12 pm
Andrew.M ok you werent defending them, whatever, but come on mate you say you have never insulted others yet you said Im on centrelink computers. Admit we have made mistakes and move on.
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
U both hurt - dont start. Can see AM point
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
At least Paul is doing great at uni - not many do that and that wins me over for effort!
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:26 pm
Are we trying to start another argument?
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November 4th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
TP…Iam defending you by complementing you that it really does not matter C/Link comment as it means nothing, the fact ya doing a massive undertaking is unreal OK. True
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November 4th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
seriously…. we need a forum for caradvice!!!!!!
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November 4th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
paul im talking about the “Trashy” insults filled of unsavoury language.
NM and GF are not bad at it and it also rubbed off on you paul.
sorry if the centre link comment insulted you though. (see at least i can apologise)
at least i left the language out of it unlike what you did against me
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November 4th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Yes And I can apologise about mine too…
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November 4th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
the thing with the holden/daewoo issue is, in the short term it was always going to hurt holden as the current crop of cars coming out of the daewoo plants (captiva excepted) where simply not up to standard. It was ALWAYS a long term plan knowing that the next generation of cars coming out of those plants where going to be built off the exact same platforms and use the exact same drivetrains as the next generation of opels, so as far as quality went it didnt make too much of a difference which way they went in the future because the standard of product was going to be the same. The advantage with daewoo is though that labour is cheaper in korea so they could get the products for a cheaper price and make more of a product.
So in summation the holden/daewoo deal WILL work when the next generation of cars out of korea come on stream in about 5-7 years time, but in the mean time it will hurt. Essentially holden moved too quickly on this project and they should have just waited untill daewoo where up to standard first to implement the strategy rather then jumping in feet first straight away.
The next generation barina, viva and epica will share all major mechanical components including engines, gearboxes and suspension systems with their equivilant opel corsa, astra and vectra models in europe, just with individual styling and built in korea as opposed to europe, so they will all be good cars, but unfortunately we have to wait a while….
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
There is a reason why falcon utes have outsold commodores utes in recent years, thats because tradies know which is best for work, thats the falcon.
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
that said, those VE utes are nice, but the front is out of proportion and too steep for the rest of the body…
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
We all know Richo about the Daewoo saga, including us educated people, but if you are born a Holdenwoo one eyed sucker with no oppurtunity to choose a different car in your lifetime except buying Holden, sure they will keep sourcing daewoo labour, parts and products, cheaper to build maybe for now, but down the track thing’s will be judged as bad resale value and actually wanting to keep junk on our roads creeps in, dissatisfied customer’s..
I have told a couple of rebadged Holden owner’s about where their car came from, enter shock and denial, just shows you how much we now about cars until someone can fill the uncertainty gaps…..
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November 4th, 2007 at 10:47 pm
I had to grow up with Ford-Hating tossers that just chose to Love holdenwoo all the time when I grew up.
Because of there daddys that love Holdenwoo for no reason other than “Football meatpies kangaroos and holdenwoo cars” missleading slogan, should of been more like ‘Football(NFL), Hamburgers, Eagles and Holdenwoo - subsidiary of GM (USA)’
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:01 am
this ute makes the sedan look good.
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November 5th, 2007 at 7:51 am
funny…. my uncle bought a holden apollo (remember those!) and he right or wrong woould never admit it was a camry, he would tell every one holden made it and it just looked the same….. shows how one eyed people can be!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:00 am
Going Ford, you do realise that you are exactly the same with your Fords as your “Ford-Hating tossers that just chose to Love holdenwoo all the time” friends are with their Holdens don’t you?
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November 5th, 2007 at 10:32 am
Tonyn,
i bet your uncle told every one that holden made the lexcen though..
Richo,
mate i agree that Daewoo will get better, but another 7yrs will ruin their reputation. 7yrs is too late so start building good cars. they would also have to source parts from other suppliers too. its not all about design. panels for eg are soo thin on the koreans. you can dent them with your thumb.
whether or not they source from opel again will depend on the aussie dollar too. if they are planning around when daewoos get better quality i doubt they are thinking of going back to opels.
daewoos sound like the long term thing and they are happy to ride it out.
but they should get better and 7yrs is what it took hyundai to get to the quality it is today
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November 5th, 2007 at 11:11 am
ohyeah prob!! what a distaster that was!
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November 5th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
a camry or aurion ute would shit on this!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
JBot: Spot on!
Going Ford, Is The Going Thing: You can make up names and slag off Holden all you want like we used to do when we were 12, but at least we can never say we made such an abortion like the AU Falcon. I suppose you are that one eyed that you thought they looked good as well?
Sad, so very very sad.
Looks like an extended mighty boy you recon? How about you grow the **** up and stop wasting my air.
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November 5th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
Yeah Paul,
i FWD aurion or camry ute would be great!! pppfffffft
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November 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
we will take that as scarcasm paul will we??
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November 5th, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Andrew M, ever driven a Proton Jumbuck?
I never have, but I’ve always wanted to know what one of those buggers drove like on a hill, in the wet, with half a ton in the back.
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November 5th, 2007 at 1:51 pm
GhisGT,
no ive never felt the urge to go drive a jumbuck ha ha ha.
are they even rated to half a ton?
Tonyn,
yeah must be sarcasm??
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November 5th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
God they were ugly ,saw one yesterday with a wheel chock dog in it! Hate little dos!!!!shudder!
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Andrew M, yeah half a ton was getting a little ambitious!
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
ghisGT,
Abortion? i own a AU3 TS50 and would be happy to line it up next to a VT HSV for looks and performance anyday.
Holden have made some abortions in their time, can you remember the camira, or maybe the VN commodore?
And for the record, i have driven a jumbuck, underpowered, but i guess it serves a purpose!
I do have to admit, the new commodore ute does look the goods, will be interesting to see what ford does with there ute.
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Ahhh, TS50. I’m refering the to the base model examples, not the Tickford range.
Those things were actually quite nice, especially in that lighter blue hue. Definately a sweet ride.
I don’t personally see what was wrong with the VN, it was harsh and the finish wasnt top-notch, but it was 1988.
But, as for a race with the VT HSV, just make sure you pick a series 1 otherwise you could be in for a pretty rude shock.
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
VT2 and early VX only had 250kws, and i know i can rock one of those, ive had the pleasure of embarressing many HSV drivers…. TS50 series 3 is a under rated car. I own a light blue one, the colour is finally growing on me!!!
The Vn was an ordianry car… mind you EA wasnt much better!
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November 5th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
ChrisGT,
mate an abortion is something that is terminated before its release.
the Au wasnt an dabortion, maybe a sales disaster but, an abortion is what i wouldnt call it.
i think it was only the series 1 AU that made ford suffer. the 2nd (and 3rd) series was a totally different car.
what car is extremely appealing in standard guise anyway?
the XR au’s to me looked much better than the s’pac and ss equivalents though. mainly because they wernt just a forte with a rear spoiler, like the s and ss were just an executive with a rear spoiler.
it was mainly the grill on the AU1 that ruined the look. the vertical lines just looked awkward. the “egg crate” and horizontal versions that followed looked much better
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Woz - i just dont understand how you somehow already know that the next wave of daewoos are going to be terrible? They are still a couple of years away from hitting the roads yet somehow you already know they are terrible? Mate your crystal ball must be awesome, hey can you tell me who is gonna win the melbourne cup while your at it?
As for the waiting time for the next daewoos, i completely agree that its too long. By the way i meant 5-7 years from when they first came out, i guess its like 3-4 years now or something, the captiva is already here and it has started the healing, the next barina i think is 1 year away and the next viva 2 years.. we have to wait a while for the epica replacement tho unfortunately
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Jbot said… “Going Ford, you do realise that you are exactly the same with your Fords as your “Ford-Hating tossers that just chose to Love holdenwoo all the time” friends are with their Holdens don’t you?”
Listen, I did not choose to Like Ford for no reason, OK!
And GhisGT I don’t know your point, mabey you should grow the Fu-k up and stop wasting my air. I just said something that was nothing to do with you and then you go on sh*t.
Looks like I made a good point there, that made Holdenwoo freaks jump.
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
GhisGT, you are the same old holden fan that just seem to realy hate Fords for no reason, I am not just bagging of Holden. You said AU was an abortion, WTF?
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
GhisGT, you are a ****ing wanker that chose to hate Ford and said AU was an abortion?
If so, how come I see AU Falcons on the street every day and even still used as Taxis?
AUI may not of been that popular, but the AUII & AUIII sold fairly well. You should grow up dumb Ford-Hating tosser!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Also the TS50 (T3) was quicker than the HSV Clubsport at that time. It had a stroked 302 winsor stroked to 5.6L and 250kw. Transmission was only a 5-Speed, it was only until the BAII with the 6-Speed came out in the Falcons.
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
You done yet, Going Ford? You need 4 or 5 posts a few mins apart to make a point mate? Cut the spam.
You take it pretty hard when someone doesn’t like Ford don’t you? Insults left and right! Can’t deal can ya?
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November 5th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
What? it’s just that I wasn’t whatching. I don’t know why you’re going on about anything, seem you can’t deal can you! :)
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November 5th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Making plenty of sense too…
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November 5th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
As someone who looks at these comments, I never seen any Holdenwoo fan as stupid as “GhisGT”.
He said Going Ford is one eyed, what the… He’s the one whos one eyed. GF said a good point about how Holdenwoo fans become Holdenwoo fans and this idiot comes and winges on and attacking someone. What a faggot!
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
WOOWOOWOOWOO,guys settle down……..make love not war!
Sometimes we all get a little passionate about our fav car,no need to offend each other. A little humor when your trying to get your point across does wonders!
Gee I am as bad as the next person sometimes when it comes to defending your brand,but what is the point,some see the glass half full others half empty thats just life!
Lets all kiss and make up! xxxxxx00000
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
NOOOOOO!
GhisGT…
YOU ARE OFFCIALY NUMBER 1 WANKER IN THE WORLD AND A NOB WHEN IT COMES TO CARS, SO WHY DID YOU COME HERE?
P.S looks like you SHUT UP!
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Hey Frugal One……….I am with you! Were looking at a hack a the moment,take the kids to school{much to their private school disgust} shopping blah blah,we do around 500ks a week in our own little mini town,in cars that are too good to keep clocking up ks in! I too want a ute,looks like its a Ford to match the other 2 already in the family.Had an old HZ 253 on the column for the same thing once,what ever happened to bench seat Holden. Yer I know mooring block!!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Good, I hope thats all over. I just said the way I grew up and then the Holdenwoo fans could not take the truth and lost the plot.
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:37 pm
where has all the love gone????
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:43 pm
Go home……….Cobra045! Love is still here,group hug!!!You back on here tonight? Looking foreward to the XMAS party,some people are sooooooo funny when their drunk. So will you bring the wife??? Come on!!!! drag her along! She will have fun trust me!
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
I will try.. but its more likely I will be there by myself!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 7:01 pm
Going Ford, spamming nonsense posts not appreciated, and you are clearly a one-eyed Ford fan. So maybe you should cool down the attacks on Holden fans, and stop embarrassing yourself and other supporters of Ford.
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
You gone home now Cobra 045???? Do you want me to call her??
Ok hubby …..know your watching! I am now of to wash YOUR COBRA! Not with a Gerni on the wheels either! Trying to tell me he can get get a Chinese to clean his car as well as me for $12.00 RMB thats about $2.50 Like most things Aussie chicks can do……..we are more precise in ALL areas,you know what I am talking about!!!!!!!HAHAHA I get in ALL the gaps!
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:27 pm
Jbot what? Are you still going on about that.
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Love day light savings……………. A little of the eagles blasting from the Cobra sound system and gently giving him a massage! Wheels are looking good!
Bet David and Cobra045 are jealous at the moment.hehehe
Back to it!
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:38 pm
WHOOPS!!!! I think i’m ending up with more 2 posts in a row, Jbot’s going to be upset!
But why am I nonsense posts? I just said something about the way I grew up and then you go on nonsense. All that is so old and you went on again. I still don’t know YOU saying I’m nonsence, because you jumped up and down with what I said and the last was to get back at that one eyed Holdenwoo fan.
You didn’t go on to that GhisGT about anything, so why me?
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Hard to tell, am I going to have 2 posts in a row? If so Jbot won’t be happy!
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Going Ford, by nonsense, I mean many of your posts make very little sense. I’ve got no problem with 2 posts in a row, but 4 or 5?? I’m not sure what you mean by “so old” as this only came up within the last 4hrs.
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Well, lets get over it. Yes I did have 4 in a row because I saw something about the TS50.
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November 5th, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Forget about it ME……
Pitty your not in the west ,you could help me chamois it!
So far I have spent more on product than my own hair,wheel cleaner,bug remover,then it will be tyre shine,window cleaner and leather reviver ,all AUTO GLYM. Thats more than than $12.00RMB Plus I clean under the bonnet,dry inside the doors,boot and wipe over the interior! PFFFTTTTTTT,Chinese cant do a good a job as I do!
Not that I trust you to clean the M3! So you don’t owe me…well maybe in other areas………
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
i just find it funny that going ford goes on and on about how the holdenwoo fans cant take anything negative being said about holden, and how they are so one eyed and only like holden cause their parents told them to etc etc etc
yet you seem to suffer from the same thing, just you like ford. Driving ford just for a second think about how much you love ford, just think about how much you want to defend them and how much it annoys you when people trash talk your beloved car company. Ok now try and understand that there are people out ther who feel just as passionately as you, just their choice is holden! Surely you can relate, they have the same passion as you just its directed in a different direction. If you can understand that then you will realise that us holden fans are just defending our fravorite cars just the same as how you defend your fravorite cars. Are we really that different? no, we aren’t. Please accept that and stop putting down other users of this website just because they like a car company that you dont like
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
Shiver me timbers just get on and read and dummy spits starting up a tiny bit - drop them as it is bad crap! Bad for readers!
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Thats right Holdenwoo do have great cars - Captiva selling unreal, rest will come on line better if Holden stay there. Wheelnut says he read in motor mags CEO Gubbey is pulling out of there. HMMMMM. Why GM doing big proving ground if returning to Opel sourced products? SMOKESCREEN PERHAPS!
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Well said JBOT… tis bad to be a one eyed supporter and everyone should take note as impossible to really say that an individual thinks everyone one of those cars is top of the list against other oppostion. JBOT dont me as start on as sick of shit what goes on here OK mate!!!!!!!
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
hahaha ……..just finished washing..his pride and joy! I understand where he is coming from …Richo….but Holden isnt better than Ford. I found that out 20 years ago, sorry even though I am a BMW lover Merc is better and that is where Ford sits in the two equations. I have had both, experienced both and would still own a Ford over Holden! But still respect your love of the product! I guess sometimes we have to love an inferior product ,I do. BMW!But not the M label!hehehe
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:33 pm
…. freaking typo blurrrrr = dont start on me as sick…
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
well maximus its only holden who are allegedly thinking about pulling out, which realistically on the world stage is like a drop in the ocean. Daewoo doesn’t just supply cars to holden, they also supply cars for other brands throghout asia, europe and north america. So even if holden pull out, they will still be supplying heaps of cars for the rest of the world.
but anyway i think the rumors of holden going back to opel sourced cars is just some wishfull thinking on some peoples behalf, holden has already made the commitment to go with daewoo products and frankly the decision was probably made in the US by GM anyway and holden probably didnt get much say in the matter. I think the only car holden will supply from europe in the future will be the astra, because holden want to position the next generation astra as more of a premium hatch to rival the vw golf
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
RICHO - r u a one eyed cyclops HOLDEN supporter totally?
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
So why Aussies over there running it if Gubbey backflips Holden out of there? It might of came good in medium term? What reason? FORD SUPPORTERS dont go on as obvious what ya will say…LOL
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Baverian, you have fundamentally missed my point. Congradulations. My point was that YOU may think ford is better, but OTHERS may dissagree with you. Just because you think it doesnt mean you are right, just the same as how just because i think that makes me right. At the end of the day its whatever the individual person wants, who is to say that mrs. smith in the street is an idiot because the bought a mazda 3 instead of a golf? who is to say mr. jones is an idiot because he bought a c-class merc instead of a 3-series BMW? And who is to say driving ford is an idiot cos he bought a falcon instead of a commodore? NO ONE CAN! It’s down to INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCES! and anyone who cant understand that very simple concept is probably the only person here who is truly stupid
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Yes Richo, you do have a point. Naughtyius Maximus, Max naughty, naughty!!!!! Is that what you name means?
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November 5th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
max all i was saying is that i think the rumors arent true and that holden is going to stick