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Ford Fiesta Econetic Review

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It’s not often a company like Ford can come out guns blazing and declare they sell the most fuel efficient car in Australia. But they have, and they’re right.

The new Ford Fiesta Econetic is similar in concept to the Mini Cooper D, which until the Fiesta’s arrival was tied with the Toyota Prius as the most fuel efficient car in Australia.

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The idea is simple, as in literally, keep it simple. Build a fuel efficient engine and couple it to a car which is both light and also capable of producing the results wanted.

To celebrate the launch of the new Ford Fiesta Econetic in Australia, Ford invited a group of journalists to Canberra to undertake a fuel economy challenge in both city and rural environments.

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We drove from Canberra airport out to a rural winery, completed a series of challenges and then headed back to the airport.

In total the drive route was roughly 250km and evenly spread through Canberra CBD and highways.

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To make the challenge more interesting, Ford had decided to give out prizes for the most fuel efficient team and given the competitive nature of motoring journalists, the stakes were high.

Despite the motivation to drive economically to win the challenge and prizes, there is something to be said about economy drives where competitors are going 90km/h in 110km/h zones and without air conditioning and trying their very best to not get caught by red lights or traffic. There is very little real world implications for a test like this.

In order to bring you a real world fuel economy figure, my team mate and I decided to simply drive as we would if it was our car. Air conditioning on, going the speed limit and no funny business of trying to catch the best traffic flow or trying to slipstream behind a large car.

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It’s unusual to find a car which can actually match its official fuel economy figures but the Fiesta is one such car.

To cut the story short, at the end of the journey the best team managed a fuel economy of around 3.1L/100km and we were expecting low 4s, not so.

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3.7L/100km was our figure, dead on the official fuel rating for the Fiesta Econetic. Subsequently it should not come as a surprise then that the Econetic won the 3000km+ Global Green Challenge from Darwin to Adelaide by using the least amount of fuel of any car in the event (averaged 2.9L/100km).

For $24,990 drive away, Ford likes to point out that it will take over 100 years to repay the extra cost of the Toyota Prius for its fuel saving in city traffic driving (mainly thanks to its electric engine).

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I do have to point out that whilst the Fiesta Econetic is brilliant for what it is, it would be futile to compare it against the Prius, particularly on price given the level of sophistication and advancements showcased in Toyota’s hybrid.

Ford Australia boss Marin Burela says the Fiesta Econetic will give cars such as the Toyota Corolla a “hard time” by providing similar features with significantly better fuel economy (and arguably better looks).

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The highlights read: 3.7L/100km, 98 grams per km of CO2 emissions and 5-star ANCAP safety rating, the second car in Australia that puts out less than 100 grams per km of CO2 emissions (the other being the Prius of course).

The Fiesta Econetic is only available as a five-speed manual which may limit its uptake, however given the level of enthusiasm expressed so far it may not be an issue.

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During our three hour drive it became obvious that the Econetic hasn’t sacrificed the fun factor to save fuel, sure it has manual wind-up windows for the rear and small steel rims to get around in, but afterall it’s a Fiesta, which is one of the best light cars on the market today.

Under the bonnet you’ll find a 1.6-litre Duratorq TDCi engine which puts out only 66kW at 4000 rpm but an impressive 200Nm of torque all the way from 1750 rpm. Weighing just 1088kg (kerb weight) the engine figures result in impressive pulling power for a car its size.

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In order to achieve the impressive fuel economy the Fiesta makes use of low resistance tyres (tyre size: 175/65 R14), uniquely tuned transmission, lowered suspension for better aerodynamics, low friction oils and weight reduction everywhere possible.

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Although somewhat unknown currently, the Econetic brand will no doubt become more popular as Ford looks into Focus and Mondeo Econetic variants for our market.

Similar to the BMW 120d efficient dynamics and the Mini Cooper D, the Fiesta Econetic makes use of upshift lights in the dashboard to inform the driver of the best time to change gears to save fuel.

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Using the upshift light might seem a little peculiar as most of us just change gears when it ‘feels’ right, but when used it does make that extra bit of difference and considering the excellent pulling power of the little diesel engine, you can comfortably cruise along in fourth gear at 60km/h.

The Fiesta Econetic will ultimately appeal to a whole range of buyers, from those looking at a first car with economy in mind to the more mature folks that need nothing more than a light car but have fuel efficiency and emissions in mind.

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Regardless of what you may think of the growing list of green cars hitting the market, the Fiesta is currently the king of fuel efficiency and it seems like a title Ford may hold for some time.

If you are after a light car, you can argue whether or not the extra cost of the Fiesta Econetic is worth it over the base model Fiesta (which starts under $20,000) but remember the base model uses 6.1L/100km (or 6.9L/100k for the automatic coupled to the 1.4L engine) and emits 143 and 164 CO2 emissions (g/km) respectively.

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It’s all well and good for all of us to sit here and say that the politicians are not doing their best to combat climate change or minimise the impact of pollution but a car like the Fiesta Econetic can be your contribution in reducing your carbon footprint.

Whilst the Prius may be out of your price league, the Fiesta Econetic is a car that should be considered for anyone looking in the light car market, not just for its fuel economy and low emissions but also because it’s arguably the best light car on the market today.

CarAdvice will soon spend a whole week with the Econetic and bring you a complete road test.


 

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  • Callous Aussie

    It seems like a decent enough package .I’m still not sure I like the styling though. I saw one in the flesh here in Cairns and it may or may not grow on me. I’d probably sacrifice a little more juice and spend my coin on a diesel Hyundai for that sort of money.

    Still, it makes a lot more sense than a Prius.

  • EX HSV

    Callous Aussie….so what you are saying is that you DONT want to drive the best small car on the market? strange……

    • Callous Aussie

      I just can’t get around the styling at the moment. I am a bit of a diesel convert too to be honest .I had a brand spanking VW Jetta diesel as a hire car from Melbourne to Brisbane and was stunned at its brilliance. I wonder how the Fiesta would go with 4 adults on board. It didn’t phase the Jetta diesel. Build quality, fit and finish, boot size and interior comfort were awesome to be honest.

      I realise the Fiesta is more economical but when we are talking a litre or two per 100k’s I am not concerned.

  • Fords-r-Fast

    I would rather be seen in the best small car Ford Fiesta than say a Daewoo Barina, Hyundai, Toyo Corolla, Proton, Kia etc,,, the looks are fantastic, its arguably the best small car on the planet,, rave reviews everywhere, even Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson loves this little beauty…

    • Robin Graves

      You and Clarkson are both badge snobs.

      • Callous Aussie

        Haha a’int that the truth. It would be acceptable I guess if it was a worthy brand.

        • Fords-r-Fast

          Hey callous cozzie when did u become worthy, after buying bad resale,,,,,,, always falling apart Kia Rio or overrated Holden Kangaroo Daewoo PPPPPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT isnt that the sad truth…..

          Give me a Ford Fiesta anyday (quality speaks 4 itself),, SNOB OR NOT

  • Martin

    The looks are foul, I mean what are they trying to pull with what essentially is a gaping hole in the front of the car behind the number plate. Just no.

    Umm… Just because it is the most fuel efficent, certainly does not make it the best small car…

    pass.

    • Andrew M

      Who said it was the best small car based on fuel economy???

      Even this article clearly states fuel economy aside its still the best

      • Martin

        Well the way the other comments were written, they were in reference to the Econetic…

        You won’t hear me comment on how it goes, I haven’t driven one so I can’t comment on that. But that won’t stop me from saying how ugly I think it is, inside and out. From the front at least, it is foul, granted side on and down the back looks pretty decent. I can’t get over the upside down Peugeot grille and squinty headlights.

    • Watto

      You do realise that the regular Fiesta was already considered the best in it’s class before Econetic was even announced, don’t you? The Econetic (very small percentage of total) has no bearing on that distinction.

    • Observer

      Martin says:
      December 12, 2009 at 7:13 pm
      “I’m a Holden Fanboy, so no matter how brilliant the Econetic Fiesta is I’ll just bag it because it has a Ford badge”.

      • whatefa

        Observer says:
        December 12, 2009 at 10:50 pm
        “I’m a Ford Fanboy, so no matter how ugly and overpriced the Econetic Fiesta is I’ll just praise it to heaven because it has a Ford badge”.

        • Observer

          whatefa, nice try goose, but I prefer Subaru.

          Look back at Holden fanboy Martin’s comments on other Ford posts and it’s all the same. He hates Ford and always posts negative trash, rather than contributing to the debate.

          Anyway I actually like the Fiestas looks, and overpriced compared to what? Prius?

          • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

            Observer, let’s take a look back at all the non-Ford articles, hey? All the Ford fanboys post the same, as you say “negative trash” on them.

            You see, it’s a two way street buddy, get used to it. Not everyone in the world is so in love with Ford like you.

        • Martin

          Nice to know not everyone on the site is blinded by Ford loyalty.

      • Stevo the Devo

        Just as long as it has a Holden badge where the Daewoo badge used to be your happy, Right? It’s because of what happened to people like you they got rid of leaded petrol.

        • Callous Aussie

          Is this clown for real?

      • Martin

        TOSSER!

        I don’t like Holden any more than I like Ford, so try again.

        Moron, so yeah anyone who doesn’t have some biased opinion toward Ford being soooo great, are either Sales people for whoever else or they are a Holden fan boy.

        Get real. moron.

  • Andrew M

    No denying these are a great car,
    Im just not a small car person.
    Ill spend a bit more money and not touch the class at all

    So Fiesta = best in class even with fuel economy taken out of the equation, but small cars arent my cup of tea

    • Matt

      Same here, I’m more of a large car person myself, but IF I was buying something in that class, the Fiesta would be the one I’d get. Not this colour though, theres a light steely blue…
      Although, are there any plans for a “go faster” version of the Fiesta? Didn’t they do a XR4 previously?

  • o

    i personally love the looks but reckon that if they bring a new focus with econetic for under 30k then they will have something to talk about.

  • Observer

    Just to highlight just how good this is, this is from an article back in January:

    “Released in Australia last December, the 52kW smart Fortwo micro hybrid drive boasts a combined cycle fuel consumption rate of only 4.4-litres per 100km (according to ADR 81/02), and an impressively low extra-urban consumption rate of only 3.9l/100km.
    The carbon dioxide (CO2) output of the two-seater is also very low – only 105 grams per km driven”

    That’s right, the Fiesta is more economical (and far more practicle) than the tiny little “smart” car.

    • Martin

      Now to do the same thing other people do.

      You are comparing a car that’s been around for a while, thats also a petrol car against a brand new diesel with brand new technologies implemented…

      Well of bloody course it’s going to be more efficient then.

      You know whats even better again!?
      The Kia Cerato LPI hybrid and Hyundai Elantra LPG Hybrid. Less than 5L/100kms and it costs half as much to fill up (and more practical than your precious little girls car) oh and did I mention how much better looking they are?

      • Martin is a w@nker

        ‘Nuff said!

        • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

          Grow up child.

      • The Real Truth

        No wonder you don’t like the look of the fantastic little Fiesta, apart from the fact that you hate Ford, you like the look of the weirdo Cerato/Elantra, and appear to be a Korean fanboy.

        Oh and reading all of your other posts, I agree: “Martin is a w@nker”

  • Callous Aussie

    There are so many other cars I’d consider before this one. The Cruze diesel for starters is a more rounded package for my liking and doesn’t have the hair dresser styling that the focus does.

    It looks like a chick’s car to me (no disrespect meant to women) and I bet when the customer data comes back after a year on sale, the Fiesta will have one of the highest female driver percentages of any car on Australian roads. The cruze won’t suffer that label.

    As Wheelnuts has made the comparison between the two vehicles by labelling Holden as stupid for bringing in Korean cars ,we shall see where they sit on the sales charts in 12 months time. As they are comparable on price it will be a fair contest. My money is on the Cruze. It is the safest car under $25,000 according to ancap and that alone will sell it. I’d hedge a bet the Korean car has a bigger profit margin for Holden too.

    It is also very well styled and feature packed. Vanity is alive and well here too. The Fiesta will get some style points for sure but largely with the ladies due to its cutesy looks. Anyway, we’ll see how it plays out.

    Ex-HSV ,who says it is the best small car on the Australian market? The new Golf just won Carguide car of the year and I reckon it will be hard to top in “wheels car of the year” too.

    • Observer

      Actually you are quite wrong on the “chick” car thing. Market research has shown the Fiesta as being up the top of the list of small cars that blokes would be happy to be seen in.

      The Cruze is “very well styled” is an opinion only and not shared by anyone I’ve spoken to. It’s too “Korean” looking is the most common remark. Just cause it floods the market has little bearing on it being the “best” car. It’s a cheap product, loaded with all the gimmicks, at a cheap price, with megabuck marketing, of course the Cruze will sell well. The Holden badge will guarantee it.

      • whatefa

        Observer – It must be a bit of an ego-blow to you Ford Fanboys that the Cruze has exceeded everybody’s expectations, not just as a car but on the sales charts…judging by the amount of wet-eyed, kleenex-clutching fanboys posting on this article.

        Callous Aussie is indeed correct to compare Cruze to this tragically overpriced Fiesta as they both occupy the same price point. And this is exactly the reason why GM made the correct decision to buy the Daewoo facility and have it manufacture the next-gen GM product.

        This Fiesta would probably work at 19 grand max, that would be MORE than the expected premium to pay for a Fiesta with a diesel engine.
        Let’s do some basic math, i’ll keep it simple for the fanboys to keep up.
        Fiesta petrol is (for argument’s sake) $17990 driveaway.
        Fiesta diesel is $24990 driveaway
        $24900 minus $17990 equals $7000 of petrol.
        Fiesta diesel makes even less sense if, heaven forbid, a potential buyer should compare it to one of the other cheaper small cars in the Fiesta’a own class. More math coming up, hang in there fanboys.
        Small cars $13990 driveaway
        Fiesta diesel is $24990 driveaway
        $24900 minus $13990 equals $11000 of petrol.

        Oh dear

        • Callous Aussie

          Nice post. Cheers.

        • mmmmmmm

          Good comment

          it would seem ford had to pay Peugeot way too much for the technology, that might work for bmw or mini but prices the fiesta way out of its market.

          • The Real Truth

            You mean the joint venture engine? Read the words “JOINT VENTURE”. Actually Peugeot pay Ford to use the engines because Ford build them, not the other way around.

          • mmmmmmm

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            The DLD-416 (or DV6) is a 1.6 L (1560 cc/95 cu in) 90hp or 110hp version also used by Ford, Mazda, Volvo, Mini, Peugeot and Citroën.

            This particular engine was designed by Peugeot engineers on behalf of PSA and Ford.

            Due to high demand, it is currently (2008) being produced in both France and England.

        • Andrew M

          since when do eco style cars ever pay their premium off???

          If you look closely an SS commodore may be cheaper in the long run versus a prius

        • Holden Needs Daewoo Same As Daewoo Needs GM

          Get over it Daewoo cruzz fanboy,,,, Ford is so much better, alway’s will be, remember GM Holwoo stands for “GOVERNMENT MOTORS” nuff said.

      • Callous Aussie

        Market research by Ford no doubt Observer. At the end of the day it looks like a chicks car and will be bought as such.

  • Al Juraj

    Diesels are becoming a trend, from something as economical as this to a V8 rivaling BMW 330d. But Ford should focus on a Falcon oiler more. If they want to win sales from the inferior but chart topping rival from the red corner, they should address the economy issue of big cars.

    Despite the diesel option, the Fiesta may still have a hard time competing in sales against proven entries like the Yaris and Jazz. Ford’s other models need to be appreciated more. It does, however, make perfect sense for light duty courier stuff having useful torque and a tank that could possibly last a fortnight.

  • EconeticFan

    I know I’m being picky, but I really think this car should only be sold with Euro number plates, or at least Slimlines. Anything else just looks out of place IMHO.

    Google “ford fiesta econetic wallpaper” to see some UK Euro pics to see what I mean.

  • EX HSV

    al juraj……the fg 4 liter falcon is more economical than a 3 litre di gm engine. dont believe gm spin……..the di engine is no where near as good as it should be.

  • EX HSV

    looks like the paid anti-ford crew is at it again. i have never heard such crap and anti ford sentiment anywhere before.

    Callous aussie……when has ford played catch up? they were the first local car with ABS and 5 star safety and have by far the best engine\driveline in the country and have the best or close to it in every class……falcon is by far the best car ever made here……and most people in the know agree…….gm is still playing catch up as they cant even make a 3 litre DI engine as economical as a I6 non DI 4 litre.

    • Callous Aussie

      If you knew anything about economy of scale you’d know that Holden’s development costs for the chassis in the VE commodore is the reason Ford beat them to the post with the ABS and 5 star safety rating. At the end of the day, they compete directly against the falcon for sales.

      The five star rating is actually a little bit of a nonsense in the way it is judged. The new KIA Sorento missed out on a 5 star safety rating for not having a dash light indicator to say the passenger wasn’t wearing a seatbelt. The light won’t save your life.

      Similarly the Ford was awarded it for the standard offset collision test with full airbags fitted. They don’t test for rollover in the criteria for example and in that area and side intrusion the Commodore is a stronger vehicle with far superior chassis development. Infatc it is internationally recognised as one of the strongest passenger cells on the road today. Tortional rigidity is streets ahead of the Ford.

      Don’t go getting too wrapped up in the ancap tests. They aren’t real world tests.

      The Falcon ute still doesn’t have a 5 star rating (the Commodore ute does). Just to be picky. I doubt the Falcon ute is strong enough in an offset impact to qualify due to its inferior subframe strength.

      • Andrew M

        wake up dude, your commodore bed spread is getting wetter

        • Callous Aussie

          Just checked the bedspread. No Commodore to be seen anywhere and I wouldn’t consider one without a diesel engine in it. The big Aussie 6′s are relics of the past. Both Ford and Holden.

          I’d be looking hard at either a Jetta diesel (I need the bootspace) or one of the Korean diesels long before even brousing a Commodore brochure so if you believe I am aligned to them you are kidding yourself. I certainly wouldn’t consider a falcon though.

          The depth of your response says a lot about you.

        • poohbear

          Andrew M drives a Falcon ute so whattaya expect…he got the blue Ford jimmie-jams and matching sockies to wear to bed in with the deal haha

          • Andrew M

            Told you before, I only have Ford undies, not jimmies ;)

      • STFU

        Man theres so much garbage in that post of yours its not funny. When ford fitted standard ABS in the falcon for the first time in any Australian built vehicle, Holden was still selling their total rip-off Opel based commodores, so exactly what development cost delays are you on about ? Also, ford where first to fit standard airbags in an Australian built car, what was Holdens excuse there, still too busy working on ABS ? And as for all the total BS about Commodores rollover strength and blah blah, again total garbage, you find even ONE shred of evidence to substantiate such a ridiculous claim, just one direct comparison of torsional strength of Falcon VS commodore in rollover test conducted on both cars will suffice. Instead of sitting here and making total BS claims and excuses about your precious Commodore, why dont you find some ACTUAL FACTS and use them to support your argument. I know theres some people here dumb enough (like poohbear and whatefa) to support Holden blindly no matter what, but seriously anyone who bothers to do some 2 minute fact checking will realise pretty quickly just how full of it you really are.

        • Watto

          I can think of something that indicates the torsional strength.

          Falcon has had 60/40 split-fold rear seat since EA. Commodore only has a ski port (I really thought that would’ve changed with VE) because it’s chassis just isn’t a strong. VE gained at least 100kgs putting it right up with the porkiness of Falcon, but still only a ski port?

          The weight can come in handy though. I drove 400kms home from Canberra in late September, 2 degrees, blustery rain, blowing a gale. I never felt it in the G6ETurbo. Every other car I saw, including VE’s, were getting blown all over the road. Strange, I thought, since A VE and my car weigh about the same.

      • The Oracle

        What do you base your opinion on when you say the Commodore has superior torsional strength and the Ford Ute has inferior subframe strength? How about some figures and indepent and verifiable sources to confirm it. Also, I don’t understand your first sentence regarding ecomomy of scale, development costs and safety ratings. It doesn’t make sense. There is no apparent relationship between them and anyway the VE was release to market a year before the FG.

        Please explain. (Without derogatory comments and smart alec remarks.)

    • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

      EX HSV, who’s not to say that you and your friends aren’t paid by Ford to post positively about everything related to Ford?

      Really is quite pathetic. People that don’t praise Ford like they are their God get all these accusations thrown at them. Paid off, sales people or Holden fanboys. Yet, these avid Ford supporters can post all the crap they want about other car brands, but they aren’t fanboys, salespeople or been paid by Ford. But of course.

    • Captain Nemo

      @ EX HSV

      So using your theory Ford must being playing catch up with the Mondeo compaired to the Commodore.

      Mondeo 9.5L/100km 2.3L motor

      Commodore 9.3/L100km 3.0l motor

      Fairly pathetic on Ford’s behalf wouldn’t you say…can’t even make a tiny 2.3L motor as economical as a 3.0L motor with more power & torque and yes i know they are not direct competiors but it just goes to show how cr@p some Fords are.

      • The Real Car Fanatic

        Actually Nemo, if you bothered to drive the Mondeo, you’ll find it is much better than the Commodore, regardless of the extra 0.2litres per 100kms.

        Anyway if you want fuel savings, you’d buy the Diesel Mondeo, it’s a real cracker.

        • Captain Nemo

          Wow Car fanatic and you have driven both Commodore & Mondeo to come to the conclusion that the Mondeo is better?

          You must be a busy bogan you seem to have driven or hired almost every make of car in AU and still find time to work,eat,sleep,$h!t & clog up the CA website with your usual drivel.

          • The Real Car Fanatic

            Bogan? Yeah right Nemo, I have more class in my little finger than your entire family has. Now as to finding time to drive these cars is not a problem. You see up until I got back from seven years in the UK, I had not driven the current Commodore of Falcon. I have now and can say my long stint in the UK with the world’s largest car rental company awarded me with the pleasure of driving virtually every brand of car they had on fleet, including the Mondeo petrol and diesel. The Mondeo is a better car to drive end of story.

            Now climb back under your rock and don’t come out until I give you permission Clownboy

        • Captain Nemo

          @ Car Fanatic

          Class pffft don’t make me laugh what my dog leaves on my lawn has more class than you will ever have.

          Anyone bogan can make a claim on the net that they have worked somewhere or done something yeah….sure you have driven dozens of brands no proof of that is there.

          And why don’t you tell me exactly how a Mondeo is better rather than just saying so.

      • mmmmmmm

        ford don’t make the 2.3, its the old mazda6 motor, in that form dating back to 2002 with its roots back pre 1998
        the best bits of fords are always the bits they don’t make
        even ford know the falcon wagon is too primitive to compare to the sportswagon

      • Matt

        “Mondeo 9.5L/100km 2.3L motor

        Commodore 9.3/L100km 3.0l motor”

        And whose figures have been shown to be more achievable in the real world? Not Holden’s thats for sure

  • par3182

    will it ever be available in auto?

  • Callous Aussie

    Below is the data for Hyundai for this year. I’ll put money down for anyone who cares to put up that the Daewoo model sales in Australia show a similar rise since the release of the Cruze. They are everywhere up here in Cairns. Customer feedback has been overwhelming.

    Hyundai’s Australian highlights include:
    • Hyundai ranked fourth overall in terms of total monthly sales.
    • Hyundai’s YTD result for October YTD of 53,906 units (7.1% share) represents a 42% volume increase over its result of 37,962 units over the same period in 2008.

  • Andi

    GOOD DESIGN. Ford just info that New Ford Fiesta will release to Indonesia auto market on July 2010. Read on http://indonesia-cars.com/1323/2010-new-ford-fiesta-launch-kick-off/

  • Andrew M

    Im not disagreeing, the Fiesta as I see it is a chick car.
    The i30 is also a chicks car, so too the Rolla, the Focus, the Tiida etc etc.

    If you try and call anything with a 2.0L or under motor coupled with a hatched back a mans car, you are just in denial.

    Also on the auto side of things, you will find most small cars are ordered in manuals. Try and find a 2nd hand small car in a manual regardless of the make or model.

    Sure the Fiesta might be 10K more than the Getz, but the Getz will lose a heck of a lot more on trade in time. Hyundais have shocking resale.

    The i30 isnt really what I would consider one of the best in class.
    Great value, sure, Ill certainly give it that, but not much more. Hyundai has been winning awards for value for money for years now, thats no secret.

    For mine the best 2 in the small class are the Mazda3 followed by the Lancer.
    Many motoring journos also place the Focus up with them, but for mine, whilst it is a good competitor, its blandness just pushes me in the oppsite direction.
    Upon seeing the new Cruze, that is another vehicle I would place above the i30, and also to note, it too offers good value for money.

    So as you can see the i30 quickly becomes a mid packer in what is a very competitive class

    Oh and back onto the fuel savings argument, even with the better resale on non korean cars aside, the economics doesnt seem to stack up on any on the supposed eco boxes.
    I mean an SS commodore could prove to me more economical versus a prius!!!

    • MrQuick

      Andrew M says:
      December 13, 2009 at 1:59 pm

      “If you try and call anything with a 2.0L or under motor coupled with a hatched back a mans car, you are just in denial.”

      You’re kidding me right?
      Find an underpowered car and live with it for a year, you can’t call yourself a carlover until you’ve done that. You’ll realise driving everyday is more fun, thrashing a slow car everyday is so much more fun than cruising in a big sedan.

      Though I gotta say, you do have a point with the Getz, there are seriously so many of them on the market it is ridiculous, go to the auctions and they can’t get rid of them fast enough.

      • Andrew M

        Well if the prerequisite for being a car lover is driving an underpowered vehicle for at least 12 months, then I surely have heard it all now.

        The other half used to have an underpowered car, I must say I was scared to thrash it because of the poor handling that also comes with under done cars.
        I never used to enjoy driving it, infact I felt like hiding.
        After that experience I actually felt like less of a car lover because we held on to it for too long.

        Now after that I shopped out the whole market for a newbie with out an ounce of bias. Now she has a SP23. It no longer feels like the short straw is drawn if I have to drive, and I feel a lot more at ease knowing its a lot safer

        • Andrew M

          Oh yeah, and a lot more power to boot.

  • Tom

    Man this website has really gone downhill. OT, great car, this is a car that Ford needed to show it can do fuel efficient cars, now Ford needs to market the absolute bejeezes out of this car to get that point across.

  • Andrew M

    So an i30 diesel……..???
    Just say that..

    One sad fact about buying imported vehicles is that on release its common for big waiting lists.
    Most times you will see your trade raised rather then the price of the new vehicle reduced. This could indicate why you thought they werent moving prices.

    I also just went and checked redbook to make you happy.

    It appears a 2yr old Getz trades for an average of 6-7K

    what I also found is that the example you used earlier quoting a getz at 16,490 needs to have on roads added to it which in turn will bring your resale percentage right down

  • Andrew M

    So an i30 diesel……..???
    Just say that..

    One sad fact about buying imported vehicles is that on release its common for big waiting lists.
    Most times you will see your trade raised rather then the price of the new vehicle reduced. This could indicate why you thought they werent moving prices.

    I also just went and checked redbook to make you happy.

    It appears a 2yr old Getz trades for an average of 6-7K

    what I also found is that the example you used earlier quoting a getz at 16,490 needs to have on roads added to it which in turn will bring your resale percentage right down.

    • Robin Graves

      So other cars dont have onroads as well? And no, wasnt an i30 diesel. It’s irrelevant anyway. My point is if you want shocking resale look at a commodore or falcon. Hyundai are a little worse than the japs, but you spend less in the first place so total $ down the drain is ballpark. And for the record – I think the Fiesta seems like a good little car, would put it in the test drive list if ever I was shopping for that style of car.

      • Andrew M

        depends which jap vehicle you are talking in terms of resale.

        Hyundai may be close to mitsu for eg, but still nowhere near Mazda.

        I give up…….come on, what did you trade for?????

        When I did the shopping around, I thought the fiesta was superb for its class, just that the class in general was too small for what we were looking for.
        The focus was too bland (although a good drive)

  • Fritz

    I’m not convinced about Diesel. Sure they are economical and drive well but the price of Diesel will go through the roof in the next few years. I believe Gas is the way forward for us. As for resale, percentages mean nothing, it’s the dollar figure you lose that’s important, there’s a big difference between 50% of $15000 and 30% of $60000.

  • BrisVegas

    I just bought a Fiesta Zetec as a second car for our family. My wife will get to drive it more than me, however it’s the only small new car I was happy to be seen in. The Fiesta is safe, stylish (subjective), economical and most importantly lots of fun to drive. It zings through the gears, soaks up bumps and goes around corners like a rollerskate. I love it.

    The petrol Fiestas get around 5.0l/100km on the highway which is plenty fuel efficient enough for me.

  • Frank

    I think the title may change when the VW Polo diesel 1.2 comes out… I could be wrong, but good on Ford for trumping that ugly Prius.

  • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

    What the hell are some peoples problems!?

    Whether or not something looks good or bad, is all in the eyes of the beholder. Yet, I am being shot down by all the Ford fanboys because I think this is ugly.

    I NEVER said it’s a bad car or that it goes badly, just in my eyes it is ugly, so back the f- off. Not everyone is going to love the look of it, accept it.

    Grow up seriously.

  • Callous Aussie

    Thanks for getting it back on track guys. There is some truth in both your statements. People will be cars if they are cheap. However when one car is as good as a rival and a lot cheaper then it’s an easy decision.

    The i30 is perhaps on a level playing field with the corolla as far as engine performance goes in the petrol models. However it is also a lot cheaper. When the i30 diesel is as cheap as the Corolla petrol it becomes an easy choice. Couple that with toyota not having EBD in its base models even as an option and it gets even easier.

    Sadly however badge snobbery is only too common in this country and people continue to buy heaps of Corollas. They are not the ever reliable car they once were and are certainly no better than the Hyundai equivelent.

    When you consider that this eco fiesta is $23,000 and in a class below the i30 it is grossly overpriced. Even the base model i30 is ay least 4 grand cheaper on road. For that you get a lot of petrol and a bigger car with a longer warranty and knowing Ford cheaper servicing costs.

    Furthermore, I’d advise anyone that is considering the Fiesta to do a little research and find out just how much those low friction tyres will cost to replace when they are worn. Not to mention what the economy will crash to when you load it up.

  • Callous Aussie

    Thanks for getting it back on track guys. There is some truth in both your statements. People will be cars if they are cheap. However when one car is as good as a rival and a lot cheaper then it’s an easy decision.

    The i30 is perhaps on a level playing field with the corolla as far as engine performance goes in the petrol models. However it is also a lot cheaper. When the i30 diesel is as cheap as the Corolla petrol it becomes an easy choice. Couple that with toyota not having EBD in its base models even as an option and it gets even easier.

    Sadly however badge snobbery is only too common in this country and people continue to buy heaps of Corollas. They are not the ever reliable car they once were and are certainly no better than the Hyundai equivelent.

    When you consider that this eco fiesta is $23,000 and in a class below the i30 it is grossly overpriced. Even the base model i30 is ay least 4 grand cheaper on road. For that you get a lot of petrol and a bigger car with a longer warranty and knowing Ford cheaper servicing costs.

    Furthermore, I’d advise anyone that is considering the Fiesta to do a little research and find out just how much those low friction tyres will cost to replace when they are worn. Not to mention what the economy will crash to when you load it up.

  • Dott.FrugalOne

    Has anybody done the math?

    The equal model/spec. Fiesta in ULP is $5k+ less, yet it is also VERY frugal[no relation] on ULP.

    $5000 buys a lot of fuel to pay for the difference in outlay, you will NOT save anything with this eco model.

    This engine should be fitted to the Falcon, not a powerhouse but would do the job.

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Joker

    My gosh there is some crap being posted on here from both camps.
    Cruze and Fiesta were never meant to be compared. Cruze and Focus on the other hand can be.
    Both Holden and Ford make decent cars. Some of Us believe a 3.0L DI engine that only really shines on a highway is a waste of time. Others think its awesome. Good for them. Some of us like the fact that the Fiesta is Made in Germany and Think that Holden made a bad move using the Kalos platform as a Barina. We’re all entitled to our opinions.
    Ford’s investment in making the econetic needs to be returned some how. In addition, The Econetic is a Niche low volume market as are most Car’s marketed towards the extreme tree hugging spectrum.
    As for those of you who say Ford have made bad business decisions, I’ll make two points:

    1) Who declared Bankruptcy? (Not Ford btw.) Hiring Alan Mullaly was a great move. He’s rescued Boeing and now Ford, who are cranking out COTY’s all over the world. 2) Ford are moving some production to Thailand. Tell me how that’s not a good move financially? I will question the potential quality of the build until I see/drive one.

    GM have made a financially smart move by buying Daewoo but it’s without question that quality has suffered in the past (enter, Epica, Captiva, Barina) Which are improving btw. Slowly. Cruze is an improvement, uses a great platform, Styling is down to personal taste, just like the Fiesta is down to personal taste.
    Both GM and Ford have different Business plans. But unless you’re a potential CEO or have a Masters/Doctorine in Business Administration, then you probably have no idea about the intricacies therefore can’t give more than opinion, just like me.

    • The Oracle

      The “Joker” name is meant to ironic I suppose, because you seem to be the only one here that actually said something sensible.(Apart from me of course)

  • Rodriguez

    Great review, and by all accounts and other reviews elsewhere, a brilliant car.

    Full credit and kudos to Ford for bringing this car to Australia.

    There are a whole stack of posts here that miss the point of this car by a country mile, and the blatant Ford bashing only highlights other agendas being pushed. This car is being pitched at those that wish to “go green” in their motoring, and it is aimed squarely at Prius.

    Let’s not forget Ford have other cars and models in it’s line up to compete with the Korean cars mentioned in other posts.

    Being Australia’s most economical car is certainly an achievement, especially when you consider it betters the just launched next generation Prius!

  • Rodriguez

    Great review, and by all accounts and other reviews elsewhere, a brilliant car.

    Full credit and kudos to Ford for bringing this car to Australia.

    There are a whole stack of posts here that miss the point of this car by a country mile, and the Ford bashing only highlights other agendas being pushed. This car is being pitched at those that wish to “go green” in their motoring, and it is aimed squarely at Prius.

    Let’s not forget Ford have other cars and models in it’s line up to compete with the Korean cars mentioned in other posts.

    Being Australia’s most economical car is certainly an achievement, especially when you consider it betters the just launched next generation Prius

  • Callous Aussie

    Thanks James. European cars are pretty unreliable when compared to Japanese and Korean vehicles. The Australian public just hasn’t caught on yet.

    • The Oracle

      Another broad statement without any supporting evidence. Facts please!

  • DRB

    Why I like it:
    German engineering
    German styling
    German build

    nuff said.

  • Christopher

    Will This Car be hitting the Indian roads at any point in time????

  • Wheelnut

    No Andrew I quite like the the new Fiesta not only because of its modern stylig or its features specifications etc…
    But because it shows how stupid Denny Mooneys decision to stop importing the Opels in favour of Daewoos was..

    IMHO GM should make Daewoo a separate brand like it used to be – make it more of a rival to other budget entry level brands like Daihatsu and bring the Corsa and the Insignia to Australia ASAP

    If Ford can import cars from Europe and make a reasonable profit on them why can’t GM-H?

  • Callous Aussie

    Don’t give up on GMh’s alliance with Daewoo just yet. Holden will be bringing some good product out of Korea in the near future but have been hamstrung by models already in development.

    The Cruze is an example of what can be done and the sales charts show they made a good move there.

    It’s a pathetic excuse for liking the Fiesta by the way. You sound like a kid in pre-school. By the way, where did you read they are making a profit on them in Australia?

  • Stevo the Devo

    When Ford bought other car makers they bought quality like Volvo & Jaguar. The technology from those helped the entire range and when things got tough they at least were able to sell them. GM bought Daewoo – nuff said.

  • Callous Aussie

    According to sales figures that isn’t playing out well in Australia.

    The Koreans are learning very quickly. With an Aussie designer on board Daewoo will improve at a rate that Ford has never known. Let’s be honest, Ford have always played catch up. Particularly here in Oz.

    I certainly ain’t going to get into some fanboy Holden v’s Ford crap, but I reckon Ford will be praying the Aussie dollar stays high. Especially with our trading setup with Sth Korea.

    If you look at the sales over the past 12 months and then at which country had the biggest rise in sales here in Australia you will see what I mean. Nuff said.

  • Deco

    And Ford now sold Jaguar and Volvo, Nuff said.

  • E-Nuff-Indeed

    You got the Nuff part right you Nuffie, the rest of what you said was total BS, I doubt that even YOU believe your nonsense, let alone anyone else.

  • TheNameless

    Ford always playing catch up??
    Tell me in what areas are Ford always playing catch up. Is it engine technology/ fuel efficiency? Independent rear suspension (remember VT)? 5 and 6spd autos (Holden mainly had 4spd),5 Star safety rating? And now with the Econetic..

  • Callous Aussie

    Wow a personal attack. Go the troll. Before you shoot others down go and check the facts. Korean vehicle sales skyrocketed in Australia this year. Hyundai alone were up some 43 percent. It isn’t BS. Some of the Japanese makers went backwards.

    It’s great that you’re in love with sub-standard Ford but it doesn’t mean the rest of us have to share in your dillusion. Fanboy.

  • Andrew M

    Hyundai went up because they are cheap.

    for eg the getz floats around the top 5 for sales, not because its a good car (in my books the worst still on sale), but because its cheap as chips.

    In the un fortunate financial circumstances that we have been hit with, cheap wins out

  • BMR

    Ohh listen to the tough guy Callous Aussie… Listen to him call everyone a FANBOY even though all he ever does is crap on about how good HOLDENS are… You go man, you tell ‘em whats what, youre so tough, everyone’s shaking in their boots when you flappin your stinkin’ trap. Good one mate, MY COMMODORES FULLY SICK MATE! GO HOLDEN, GO BOGAN!

  • Holden Needs Daewoo Same As Daewoo Needs GM

    Callous is calling the new Fiesta sub-standard, I ve read some crap on this forum, but yours certainly take the cake including icing and cherry…

    Sound like your jealous dad, because Ford has better products you have to talk up Holdens below par offerings and Korean sourced junk,, if any of these Daewoos didn’t have one eyed lion badges they would stuggle horribly, bet my last dollar on it.

    Stop talking up Korean made crap, makes me sick.

  • Callous Aussie

    Andrew you are right up to a point. The Getz is cheap and certainly not the best car in its class. However you ignore the fact it wasn’t their best seller. That went to the i30 which has a 5 star rating, is one of the best cars in its class for reliability ,build quality and in the case of the diesel ,exceptionally economical.

    That it sells in diesel form for the same price as the Fiesta (which is in the class beneath it) is remarkable. The Getz has its short comings ,but reliability and fit and finish ain’t amongst them. The i20 will go on sale in the new year and remove the cheap and nasty tag attached to it. I doubt it will surge in price so will only serve to strengthen their position.

    As for Daewoo, the Cruze is the first in their new design platform. Expect them to increase also. One of the posts above nailed the fiesta perfectly. You are paying 23k for a micro. That’s 10 k more than a getz. That’s a hell of a lot of fuel. 10k extra for what is still a micro class car. The sums don’t add up.

    They put everything into getting it to show economy. Stripping out weight and “apparently” not offering an auto. If that’s the case it will suffer in the showroom. Chicks cars don’t sell in big numbers with manual transmissions.

    Given its meagre output I’d reckon an auto would choke it. Does it really not have an auto option? So much for leading the field with innovation. *rolls eyes*

  • James

    Andrew,

    Here is the fact “Published : Thursday, 29 October 2009
    US and European car makers have again been humbled in an annual vehicle reliability study.
    Asian car makers have once again outshone US and European brands in an influential reliability survey released in the United States.
    The top seven brands in the 2009 Consumer Reports Annual Car Reliability Survey were taken by Japanese brands. Eighth spot went to Korean car maker Hyundai, ahead of several German luxury car brands.”
    Korean cars have improved quality wise and engine performance wise. Check out the new Kia Sorrento (Kia is owned by Hyundai) diesel engine’s specific output and torque, eclipsing the highly respected BMW’s and Audi’s diesel. Enough said. Here where I live in Dubai, UAE, and in the middle east in general, Australian Made Chevy Lumina SS, which is re-badged Commodore SS” depreciate more steeply than many Korean cars. I asked the owners why and they said “rattles, squeaks and a few niggles”. So learn the fact first before opening your bigmouth!

  • Andrew M

    Im not disagreeing, the Fiesta as I see it is a chick car.
    The i30 is also a chicks car, so too the Rolla, the Focus, the Tiida etc etc.

    If you try and call anything with a 2.0L or under motor coupled with a hatched back a mans car, you are just in denial.

    Also on the auto side of things, you will find most small cars are ordered in manuals. Try and find a 2nd hand small car in a manual regardless of the make or model.

    Sure the Fiesta might be 10K more than the Getz, but the Getz will lose a heck of a lot more on trade in time. Hyundais have shocking resale.

    The i30 isnt really what I would consider one of the best in class.
    Great value, sure, Ill certainly give it that, but not much more. Hyundai has been winning awards for value for money for years now, thats no secret.

    For mine the best 2 in the small class are the Mazda3 followed by the Lancer.
    Many motoring journos also place the Focus up with them, but for mine, whilst it is a good competitor, its blandness just pushes me in the oppsite direction.
    Upon seeing the new Cruze, that is another vehicle I would place above the i30, and also to note, it too offers good value for money.

    So as you can see the i30 quickly becomes a mid packer in what is a very competitive class

    Oh and back onto the fuel savings argument, even with the better resale on non korean cars aside, the economics doesnt seem to stack up on any on the supposed eco boxes.
    I mean an SS commodore could prove to me more economical versus a prius!!!!!!

  • Clevo

    Hey Jealous Aussie (aka TROLL + Fanboy), get your facts straight, seems like your bias is fogging up your glasses as well as your brain. The fiesta isn’t a MICRO. If you bothered to check, cars like the Suzuki Alto, and Ford Ka (not sold here currently) are MICROS. Next you’ll be telling people the Focus is in the small/light car class, and the Falcon is a MID SIZER !

  • Andrew M

    James
    Whats your point???
    reliability isnt the only prerequisite for a good car.

    The mrs car used to be a Hyundai, and I can reiterate their reliability much to my own surprise, but it still doesnt mean its the best car, nor have I ever said hyundai reliability is poor.

    Once again what are you getting at

  • Callous Aussie

    Yep, and these Ford fools better get used to it too. Holden have made a very wise long term move sourcing from Korea.

  • Robin Graves

    Andrew, check the facts on your resale assumptions. http://www.redbook.com.au Hyundai are not ‘shocking for resale’ – quite the opposite. Commodore is one of the worst for resale, Falcon isnt much better. Most Hyundais are above 50% after 3 years. Commodore is about 40%

    Take for instance a 2006 Getz 1.6lt 5spd 3dr SXi. New, $16490. Private value average is $10650 this gives 64% resale after 3 years.

    2006 Fiesta Zetec 1.6lt 5spd 3door. New, $18490. Private value average is $12100 this gives 65% resale after 3 years.

    2006 Commodore Acclaim VZ Sedan Auto. New, $39,890. Private value average is $14400 this gives 36% resale after 3 years.

    2006 Sonata 5spd 2.4lt. New, $27490. Private value average is $12100 this gives 44% resale after 3 years

    2006 VW Golf trendline 59%

    2006 Passat 59%

    2006 Falcon 37%

    2006 Lancer 55%

    2006 Mazda3 69%

    2006 Mazda6 55%

    2006 Camry 48%

    Hardly “Shocking” for Hyundai, they are pretty much on par considering they cost less to begin with. Check your facts first before dreaming up your statistics.

  • Andrew M

    Ah yes Redbook,
    Ever tried to get 10K trade on a Getz???
    They sell them for less than that in the yards 2nd hand, so good luck.
    My local dealer has a flock of them for $8,990.

    Friend of ours paid the full price for a Getz 2 years ago with the extra protcetion pack etc. totalled something in the low 20K.

    Wanna guess what the trade is nowdays since she has realised its too small for the kids???
    Take the yard price, then knock off 5K, that will guide you to a more realistic resale

  • Safety First

    Yay for red book !!
    I have sold 9 2007 Sonata GLS 3.3 V6 with 38 to 45K on them for 13500 drive away….
    Resale values are not to be taken via red book…
    The biggest thing governing resale is initial sales numbers and teh supply and demand equation at the other end.. If you are really worried about retained value of you next purchase don’t buy a car buy a (diesel preferably) ute.

  • Robin Graves

    Well, if you go to the right dealer instead of just rocking up to any old geeza yard, you will get an OK trade. Oh and yes, my wife got $10k trade on a 2yr old getz, base model 3 dr. So once again, your assumptions are way off.

  • Robin Graves

    And if anyone is stupid enough to option a base model car to the eyeballs, then suddenly realise its too small… Hello? Who wants to pay top dollar for a fully optioned Getz..

  • Martin

    Ka – Supermini
    Fiesta – Compact/Micro
    Focus – Small
    Mondeo – Mid size
    Falcon – Large

    A Lancruiser in Australia, we class as a Large SUV, right? That wouldn’t be in the same class as say an F250 or Escalade in North America would they which is what they calss as a Large SUV.

    It all depends on where you live in the world.

  • Callous Aussie

    Look in your pants Clevo, and you’ll find something else (if you look really hard) in the micro-class you moron.

  • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

    That was meant to be a reply to Clevo, but clearly that didn’t work.

  • Correction

    Wrong again Martin, do some reserach before you post next time.

    The Fiesta resides in the ‘subcompact’ car class, NOT Micro.

    The ‘micro’ car class, consists of cars like the tata nano, Toyota IQ, suzuki alto, smart fortwo….

  • Devil’s Advocate

    I find it funny that the Mondeo is a mid sized car and a Falcon a large when the Mondeo is actually larger than the Falcon in some dimensions!! LOL

  • Andrew M

    What did she trade it on??
    and being 2 years old makes it an 07 model meaning the 06 you quoted would be less again

  • Hyundai CEO

    Yeah Andrew, you are wrong, the Hyundai Getz can easily fetch 10 to 12K for 2 years old in 3 dooor. My Mother got 11.5K for hers. my wife got 11.55K for hers and my brother in law got 11.6K for his. My entire family traded 2 Y.O Getz’s and got more than 10K, and I have a large family, so you are wrong, you couldn’t possibly be right , because of all the people I know that have traded one.

  • Andrew M

    Yeah the reply system is up the creek, they seem to be popping up randomly where ever it feels

  • Callous Aussie

    Clevo’s a clown Martin . Save your effort. Doesn’t even know what class the car sits in.

  • Robin Graves

    Yes, figures will be different, thats why i said 2 year old. The fact is your assumptions on Hyundai’s having any worse resale than a comparable car is false. You might think you know more than redbook but thats the standard guide and the most reliable, far more reliable than you shooting from the hip.

  • Andrew M

    So what was it traded for???

  • Robin Graves

    Another Hyundai that had a 3 month waiting list so they weren’t exactly falling over themselves for a deal. Like I said the most reliable place to get an estimate of resale values is redbook, not what your skewed perceptions are.

  • The Real Car Fanatic

    at least they didn’t hit the US govt up for a loan.

  • Clevo

    Ohhh more tough guy antics from Jealous Aussie, ohhh this guys a clown, that guys a clown, look at me, I’m such a little big MAN on the net, watch me abuse everyone and act like a HERO. Well done tough guy, your momma must be so proud of what you’ve become!

  • The Real Truth

    Ever wondered why the likes of Car frantic, and Callous Arrse are on this site posting ALL DAY?

    Internet access in Prison and Mental institutions, that’s why. And that’s why their opinion isn’t worth responding to 99% of teh time.

  • Callous Aussie

    Hmm you just did. Please take your own advice.

  • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

    Look at you. (The Real Truth)

    You can’t accept the fact not everyone blindly loves Ford like you. So you start making personal attacks at people who don’t agree with you.

    At least I have the balls to use my first name. Instead you just use some pathetic rubbish as your name to try and make out you are right and anyone that opposes you is wrong.

    Hope you didn’t spend all your money at the internet cafe, better head home to the trailer park now. ;)

  • The Real Car Fanatic

    Yet you seem to respond 99% of the time, what does that say about you Real Truth? Trouble maker? Attention seeker? Retard? or all three? Something tells me the later prevails in your case.

    Must have taken you hours to think up that little post, best rest your brain, wouldn’t want you to have an aneurysm.

  • http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9203/fordripsoffpeugeot.jpg Martin

    ok Moron (Correction)

    Ka is in the supermini/subcompact class. The Fiesta is in the compact class.

  • James Cortez

    Andrew,

    your statement “Hyundai went up because they are cheap”, thats’ my point.
    Proton is cheap but nowhere as good as Hyundai in the last few years anyway.

    Bottom line: just because it is cheap does not mean everybody will buy it. It has to be good, reliable AND affordable. What’s cheap for you may not be cheap for others.

  • Andrew M

    “What’s cheap for you may not be cheap for others”

    True, but one will always be the cheaper one.

    Ok its not just cheap that dictates sales, how about marketing???

    compare Protons marketing versus Hyundai. Proton is virtually non existant in the public awareness stakes compared to hyundai

  • Callous Aussie

    Thanks for getting it back on track guys. There is some truth in both your statements. People will buy cars if they are cheap. However when one car is as good as a rival and a lot cheaper then it’s an easy decision.

    The i30 is perhaps on a level playing field with the corolla as far as engine performance goes in the petrol models. However it is also a lot cheaper. When the i30 diesel is as cheap as the Corolla petrol it becomes an easy choice. Couple that with toyota not having EBD in its base models even as an option and it gets even easier.

    Sadly however badge snobbery is only too common in this country and people continue to buy heaps of Corollas. They are not the ever reliable car they once were and are certainly no better than the Hyundai equivelent.

    When you consider that this eco fiesta is $23,000 and in a class below the i30 it is grossly overpriced. Even the base model i30 is ay least 4 grand cheaper on road. For that you get a lot of petrol and a bigger car with a longer warranty and knowing Ford cheaper servicing costs.

    Furthermore, I’d advise anyone that is considering the Fiesta to do a little research and find out just how much those low friction tyres will cost to replace when they are worn.

  • James Cortez

    Andrew,

    It is not just marketing which contributes the sale success of Hyundai – to a certain extent – .

    If your product is bad and unreliable no matter how much marketing you do it won’t sale in big number.

    RELIABILITY is one of the key success to Hyundai. Let me tell you: I have owned cars such as Renault 18, Alfa Romeo Alfetta, Fiat of various models in the early 1980′s and they all had terrible reliability. No matter how cheap they are now, I sure won’t buy them anymore.

  • The Real Truth

    What a few post during smoko and then some more after dinner is all day?
    These other clowns sit on here and post throughout the whole day.
    They appear to do nothing productive, including on this site, with thier whole miserable existance.