• azza85

    When is the new Territory coming out? Any round testing etc being done so far?

  • MotorMan

    Tow Capacity: 2300kg (braked). Not 1600kg as quoted.

  • Legacy

    Call me crazy, but that fuel consumption (13.2) isnt too bad for a huge 6 cylinder SUV. My Liberty wagon averages 13.6l/100km, but thats nothing compared to my brothers Mazda CX7, he is averaging 17.1L/100km….gulp.

  • Carfanatic

    You can get mid tens in a Kluger, I’ve done it myself so 13.5 isn’t so good, but having said that 17 plus from the Mazda is shocking.

    • Legacy

      I guess we need to know what kind of driving the Territory was doing, because im sure it could 10s too on the highway. I assume it was a a mix of highway/town but not sure.
      But if it is 13.2 around town that is really good for a big 2 tonne wagon. As a comparison, looking at ADR official fuel consumption ratings, the Honda Accord is rated 14.7L/100km in town (ouch)

      • Carfanatic

        This wasn’t Highway driving, Kuringai to Caringbah on any given day of the week, just before major peak hour, I expect on the highway I could get under tens quite easily. Oh and the Kluger is nearly two tonnes so you can’t use the weight comparison for the difference in economy between the two cars.

      • Jack

        Yeah, a lot of those small capacity 4cyls with low torque in big cars like the CX7 and Accord really struggle.

        You need torque to pull these size cars, and diesels and the Ford six have it in spades.

        Forget power figures in Kw, it’s how many Nm you have, and how low down it can work from.

      • SAM

        I’ve been lucky to drive a Territory TX for the past week. I drove approximately 1200 kms with a 4AT. I averaged 10.8l/100km mix between highway (60%) and city (40%).
        I didnt drive it like a pensioner, just drove to the speed limit which we are all supposed to do.
        The car is great I call it a car because it drives like one and honestly my fuel consumption figures are not an exageration.

    • I6orNothing

      “You can get mid tens in a Kluger”….Yeh and I can get mid 8′s out of my 6 year old XR6 turbo, I’ve done it me-self.

    • Aquahead

      Yes, that’s true, but you have to be on a looooonnnnnnggggg flat road with the cruise control on and praying for no headwind and no hills to get below 10L/100km with the Kluger. I’ve driven a lot of Klugers and have always tried to drive them as I drive our Territory. I think that the fuel economy of both to be similar. On long flat highways, both can get around 9.5L/100km and around town or in the suburbs, both are around 13.2L/100km (From my experiences).

      Where the big difference is though is in the dynamics of the Kluger and Territory. The Kluger feels very nervous on poor quality roads with lots of bumps and holes. It wallows through bends and just doesn’t have the shear driveabilty of the Territory. Take them both for a drive down the Great Ocean Road and see which one is better? The Territory is in a different league!

      However, the Kluger is a good looking thing and certainly has the goods inside too. Ford deserve a kick in the pants for letting the still capable Territory stagnate for so long, they’ve thrown in the towel on the SUV Market where they were in a commanding position!

  • thenameless

    You couldn’t fold the seats flat?? You weren’t trying hard enough. The second row of seats slides forwards to allow for the third row bac rest to lay flat, and the bottom of the seat slides under as well.
    Refer this link to see how flat it gets:
    http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2006/03/Rear-Seat-1.jpg

    • Jazrod

      that’s the rear to a captiva or something… not a territory… the steering wheel is LH in the pic. and it was never made LH…

    • DC

      I agree – that’s not a Territory back seat area.

      In terms of folding the third row, I would bet that no-one told him to look under the rear cargo floor and pull the 3rd row seat base back first – no way it will fold flat unless you do that. Or should it be RTFM?

      • thenameless

        My bad just realised…. typed in Territory 7 seater in Google images and there you go…

      • unknowen

        My mum has a 2004 Ford territory

        She had trouble putting the 3rd row of seats down so I showed her how to do it

    • Nath746

      That is the back of a Holden Captiva, not a Ford Territory

  • thenameless

    And yes regarding fuel economy, there are plenty of cars out there that weigh less with equal or worse economy than the Ford Territory.

  • The Realist

    Second hand X5 diesel blows away this nasty piece of work in every facet.

    I thought this was a luxury car?

    • Legacy

      Na your wrong, this handles and drives just as well and its brand new. There are also some build quality issues with the South Carolina built X5, You also get the shocking maintenance costs that you do with a second hand BMW, try paying $4800 just for new injectors.

      • Hagar

        Agreed, we saw a3 year old X5 in car yard, already parts of inside panel well falling apart and not fitting in properly

      • DC

        As a current owner of a 2004 RWD Territory Ghia and in the market for a replacement, I can tell you it handles just as well as the BMW – in fact my kids rejected the X5 4.8L because the ride was too uncomfortable in the 2nd row. They couldn’t fit in the 3rd row of the BMW and they’re only 9 and 12!. While the Territory 3rd row isnt great, it’s better than the BMW and no worse than most (except for the Grand Voyager).

        I’ve test driven the X5 (4.8 sport) , XC90 (diesel), Q7s (3.0tdi and 4.2tdi), Grand Voyagers (petrol & diesel), Lexus LX570, Kluger and CX-9 – very hard to find anything that gives you as good an overall package as the Territory gives you – even if you spend twice what it costs. I think I’m resigned to waiting for the next model….mind you the CX-9 is nice to drive.

      • The Realist

        The old BMW X5s are actually holding up well.

        Let’s not bring Territory and Quality into the same sentence.

        • Jack

          Sorry Realist,

          Euros might look nice as current model-used…

          … but I’ll take the new Territory over the old X5 any day. Practicality, Australia wide mechanical familarity, eventual longevity and the fact that over a life time it does not expensively die as many European cars do in THIS country.

          Ask yourself why 1980′s and 1990′s BMWs are worth nothing here? It’s because you spend all that extra $ on the maintenance of the complicated, over-electronic’d monsters… and that they fail. Seen it far too often. Parts prices as they get older? Shocker. How many of them do you see towing a van around Australia, compared to a Cruiser, or older Falcons and Territories?

    • Martin

      Listen to yourselves would you? Again, with trying to make out a Ford is just as good or better than a BMW. Wake up.

      I see X5′s driving around my area all the time, none of them have bits falling off them.

      Even if said “South Carolina built X5(‘s)” are supposedly not that reliable, it’d still be far more reliable than some rubbish Ford.

      • lollie

        Thats gotta be the most ignorant comment I’ve ever read. Out of sheer prejudice for the brand, youre suggesting that you see Ford Territorys driving around with bits falling off them are you? what like a Territory pulls up at the lights and its bumpers falls off, but the ignorant ford driver of course doesnt notice anything and just drives away oblivious. lol Next youll tell us that the BMW X5 is so good that its tyres actually gain more rubber compound the longer you drive it…

        • Carfanatic

          Where in his statement did he suggest the Territory has bits falling off it? What I read was X5′s in his area don’t have bits falling off them and I have to agree, I’ve probably only seen one or two that could only be described as pigs. If a car has bits falling off it, that is because the previous owners treated it like a mangy dog.

          X5′s are well built cars ( I know I rented enough of them out in the UK and most renters don’t treat cars too well.) They all managed to stay in one saleable piece ( which is testament to BMW’s build quality. Hagar saw one in a car yard with bits falling off it, so that must mean all X5′s have bits falling off them? Talk about generalisation, those comments only highlight peoples narrow mindedness and ignorance.

      • unknowen

        I’m sorry Martin but the territory is not rubbish I bet you haven’t even driven one before

        Besides the X5 is uglier than a troll

        We have got a 2004 territory and nothing has ever fallen off!

  • Phillipo

    hey Caradvice, did you make sure the second row seat was slid a bit forward? Once you do this the third row clicks in (my folks have a Territory). Apart from poor radio reception it seems like a pretty well built car.

  • Yanzo

    if i were to buy a suv i’d get a kluger, sorry ford

    • Difficult!

      I’ll wait until the Territory is released with the diesel, then I’ll buy neither.
      Get back to me when they have 7 real seats.

    • unknowen

      WHY ON EARTH WHOULD YOU BY A KLUGER THEY ARE THE MOST DAFT CARS EVER!!!

  • ABMPSV

    Fuel economy for city is 16.5L/100km, Hwy 9.4 and combined 12.0. So it is worse what Ford quoted.

    • Phillipo

      Wouldnt it be better than what Ford quoted if it was a 100% city driving and they got 13.2, I dont understand what your saying??

      • ABMPSV

        What Ford quoted can not be for city driving!

        • Phillipo

          Not necessarily, although im sure its a mix of driving. But what is the point of the reviewer posting fuel economy readings, if we are just going to follow the ADR ratings.

  • Phillipo

    I just think they need a sunroof on the Ghia, apart from that they are an incredibly good car, much better than the current Kluger which handles like a soggy mattress.

    • Carfanatic

      You driven alot of Klugers Phillipo? and how does a Soggy matress handle?

      • repboy

        have to agree with phillipo I regularly have to travel across tasmania hobart to queenstown for work. I traveled in a KXS awd for a few trips and ended up telling my company I wouldnt use that car again cause it was very ordinary in the dry and dangerous in the wet, and hunted through the gears so much i felt sick.
        Have done the loop the last 10 times in a terry and its much much better, so much more stable arrive feeling relaxed
        Also use less fuel through the hilly sections by a fair bit.

        • Carfanatic

          Hunted through the gears? So you drove it like a Manual?

          • Phillipo

            Dont you know what hunting through the gears mean?? it means that the auto transmission cant decide what gear it wants so it lurches up and down the range of gears, a common trait on cars with poorly setup transmissions and/or low torque.

          • Carfanatic

            or a driver not familiar with a cars characteristics, incidentally Andrew, I don’t sell Toyotas. I work for Toyota but I am capable of being objective and I’m not afraid to tell my boss if I don’t like a particular Toyota. Infact he was gutted when I told him the new Prado is butt ugly and the Prius lacked the handling and sheer driving pleasure of my Golf. I also don’t make it a secret that if VW offered me a job tomorrow I would be gone. However I work hard and get results, so he is happy to put up with my objectivity.

            Who do you work for Andrew?

          • repboy

            Yeah I drove it like a manual cause i wasnt familiar with the cars charateristics I only found out the next day the clutch was actually the foot brake, do you think thats why it was a bit jerky??

          • Carfanatic

            you sure it was the car being Jerky?

      • Phillipo

        I am stunned that your name is Carfanatic and you are doubting the Klugers woeful handling. It basically feels like a top-heavy ponderous camry. its underdamped at the front and the steering has no bite-just off centre. It also has a nasty roll-on understeer trait which it shares with the Prado. A very average car, which sells a lot due to its Toyota badge and low price.

        • Andrew M

          Carfanatic sells Toyotas mate, thats why he has a massive case of denial

          • xd

            He reckons he works for toyota but doesnt sell em, If i had to guess id say he washes them.

          • Carfanatic

            Keep guessing XD. Of all the employees under the Toyota Banner, what percentage do you think sells our product? Come on Guess, I get a good laugh out of you being so far off the mark.

          • xd

            Now if you mean toyota australia, well id say… i dont care, but if your talking about toyota global then well…. I dont care. very very boring

      • DC

        If you want soggy, try the Grand Voyager…

        • unknowen

          Now thats a soggy matriss same with the kluger

  • KXS

    I used to own a Territory 6spd awd and traded it last year for a awd kx-s kluger, I find that over the same drving the kluger uses about between 1-2 litres more fuel per 100kms than the terry. had no real problems with terry as well but a few with kluger but both good cars

  • Malcolm

    When is the diesel coming out… Lots of web new stories says 2011 but some press releases from ford suggest 2010.

  • http://NA John

    We’ve got a Liberty 3.0R Wagon and a Territory AWD with the 6 speed auto and the Territory is a lot more fuel efficient than the Liberty. The Territory returns about 12.5 to 13 city driving only whereas the Liberty returns between 14 and 17 city only driving. I’m ready to upgrade both and would really like to drive the diesel territory just for the increase in power. Hopefully its not too far away.

    • ZX10

      The diesel will likely be down on power and possibly torque. People will buy the diesel because it won’t break the bank to fill it up every week.
      I hope its not too far away also.

      • Ben

        yea it will be down on power but definitely up on torque. the 2.7 v6 its getting certainly goes very well in the LR Discovery 3 and its not a small car so can only be better for territory, i agree, it cant come soon enough!

  • Ben

    the territory certainly is a fantastic car, i personally think theres still nothing better than it in its particular segment even though its age is getting on,id love to buy the diesel one when it comes out. Though i would have to say that it honestly doenst take too much initiative to work out how to put the back seats down, not hard at all, especially when conducting a review on the car! Middle seats forward, rear seats down then push middle ones back.

  • jweb

    Well Caradvice you have indirectly admitted you lack intelligence.As we own a territory and my brother who is 6 can work out by himself how to fold the rear seats flat.
    Your problem solving skills are clearing lacking significantly,or simply you needed something to fill your mediocre review.

    Also please proof read your writing,the territory design is not “60″ years old.

    • jweb

      It seems my skim reading is not as good as it should be,please disregard comment about “60″ years.However the territory does NOT have a touchscreen,so my point is still valid

    • Ben

      i thoroughly agree jweb, doesnt take too much intelligence to work out

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

      jweb:

      If you bothered reading the review, you would have found we could work out how to do it, but one of the levers was jammed and wouldn’t operate correctly.

      All four of us tried, so it wasn’t my ‘lack of intelligence’.

      With regards to your touch screen comment…again, please read the review.

      I never mentioned anything about a touch screen. Then again, it could just be my ‘lack of intelligence’.

      • Carfanatic

        LOL, oh Touche

      • Ben

        they may have been hard to fold for some reason on your test car but they are a very simple system to operate in general so id hardly call them a nightmare to operate, but as you say it was obviously a problem of some sort with the particular car.

      • SAM

        Hey jweb how about posting a photo of the real territory seats! That photo wasnt the car you reviewed, in one shot the seats are balck, in the other grey? Whats going on??
        Is this a real review?????????

  • Clueless

    The Territory Diesel will be out in the market place in March 2011

    • DC

      That’s a loooong way away!! I wonder what the Discovery 4 will be like ?

  • ShazW

    Need some advice please. Have been test driving the new territory- (Ghia)
    went around town and a bit of country with the car and was astonished that it returned fuel consumption of between 17 and 18 ltres/ 100 kms. We loved the car- it suits all our purposes- but the fuel efficiency has us worried. The dealer said that it takes a while to settle the car in and then the fuel efficiency will settle. Does anyone else agree that this car is thirsty? Will it average 17??
    Woudl love any advice before we make a purchase.
    Cheers

    • DC

      Mine is an 04 RWD Ghia (4 speed) and gets about 13.2 l/100km in all city/freeway driving. The 6 speed SYII will do better than that once broken in. Mine started out at about 15l/100k and improved over time – took about 10000km to settle.

      If the one you drove was a low k’s demo, that consumption wouldnt suprise me but it will improve fairly quickly.

    • Lexcen

      Yeah, it should settle down. my company car Camry was averaging 16l per 100km the first couple of weeks i had it, its now on about 11. So cars and demos especially when new show a higher average. I guess one of the benefits of the Territory is that it can be converted to LPG down the track pretty easliy, at least it gives you this option if petrol prices rise again.

    • SAM

      Shaz,
      see my earlier post
      I’ve been lucky to drive a Territory TX for the past week. I drove approximately 1200 kms with a 4AT. I averaged 10.8l/100km mix between highway (60%) and city (40%).
      I didnt drive it like a pensioner, just drove to the speed limit which we are all supposed to do.
      The car is great I call it a car because it drives like one and honestly my fuel consumption figures are not an exageration.

  • Ben

    you will absolutely love the car, my parents have an 05 ghia awd and it has averaged about 13.5 over the last 190,000kms – i wouldnt worry about those 17litre figures too much as it will settle down a bit, new engines do take a few thousand kms to settle down.

    • ABMPSV

      Again official figures for city driving only is 16.5 L/100km. Combined is 12. Many years ago if you wanted to know a rough figure for the car just asked the weight of the car. Say 1200 kg = 12L/100km in city but with today technology this is around 20% lower.

  • ABMPSV

    How to check fuel economy. Fill up the tank to the first click. Drive around the city for one week. Go back to the same petrol station and same pump the wait for the first click when you filling. Take reading say 22 liter, 300 km. Divide 22 by 300 and multiply by 100 result 7.33 L/100km.

  • Reckless1

    I have found that all Territory drivers lie about the fuel consumption. They all understate it because it’s embarrasing how much it uses, even though before purchase they are assured about how economical it is.

    So they say they are getting 13 but in reality it’s 17. In Melbourne winter, suburban shopping trip and school runs return around 25l/100 because it never warms the engine properly.

    • ABMPSV

      I agree 100%. My fried Ford Falcon V8 ute fuel economy in the city is between 20 to 24 l/100km

    • Carfanatic

      I’m inclined to believe you, you only have to visit Ford Territory forum and see the new owners asking long termers if they fuel consumtion will drop below 17l/100km’s.

      The most frequent numbers seem to suggest low 15′s once the car has settled in. Don’t believe me, trawl the Territory forums.

      • SB1

        Not sure what your agenda is (actually I think I have a fair idea), but I have owned three Territories and they have all averaged between 13.8 and 14.5 with at least 50% City driving, and I drive it pretty hard.

        Kluger IMO is a nice looking car, in fact I wanted to buy one last time round, but the poor/skinny middle seat in the second row combined with poor reports re handling kept me away, not to mention approx $5K extra for same spec level. If you work for Toyota please get them to make the middle seat an actual seat rather than an armrest so we have something to buy in your range that is not an $80K Landcruiser.

        • Carfanatic

          I agree with you on the middle seat and wished I could influence the designers at Toyota, but I doubt even David Buttner could influence them to change.

          Perhaps fat Americans like their armrests in the rear seat.

    • Ben

      You actually only have to look on the ford forums and see many who get very respectable fuel averages. Personally i think you have to drive pretty gently to get what some of them get however id have to say real world between 13 and 14 realistically is right. Ours gets driven reasonably heavily and long term averages 13.5. It has lived outside its entire life in new zealand out in the country, is used a lot in freezing temperatures and skifield runs and we have got 13.5 from the 4 speed auto. Open road usually in the 12s, but if you drive a lot around town you will get punished. But all the other benefits in the territory outweigh the negatives of fuel economy so it realy doesnt matter to us anyway.

      • DC

        100% agree

    • DC

      What a load of cr@p. It’s pretty easy to see the fuel usage on mine because it shows it right on the LCD screen and on 100% city/freeway driving it gets between 13.2 and 13.5l/100km. On a country run it would do even better. Even if it did use more I’d be quite happy to state that..not the sort of thing that worries me to be honest.

      Not sure which territory you were driving to have seen 25l/100km but I’ve never seen that much even when it was in its first 50km of driving. Come to think of it, are you old enough to have a drivers licence or were you on your way to school?

      • Tomas79

        Mate, those things aren’t very accurate!!

        • Carfanatic

          Tomas is right, even in my golf I’ve done 5.5L/100 based on distance travelled and litres put in the tank, the computer was out, said I was running 5.0 flat. Try adding ten percent to get a more accurate real world figure. suddenly your 13.5 becomes 14.8 and doesn’t look so good.

          • AB

            Actually Tomas and Carafnatic, I have found all my Ford’s trip computers over-state fuel usage and never understate.
            I check every fill manually and have done for the last 6 years.
            In general the actual fuel usage has been about 10% less than what the readout is showing.

            This mirrors what many other publications have found including Wheels and Motor.

          • Carfanatic

            Well if you checked it over 6 years, then it must be true!

          • Tomas79

            Hehehe, True Carfanatic…

            I guess AB brought a pippete to the pump for 6 years too, since even the petrol pump flow meters aren’t calibrated very well well!!

          • Toxic_Horse

            “even in my golf”

            well we all know Golf’s are the shining beacon in which all other cars are judged. The computer is a golf therefore must be the most accurate of any car so just goes to show how bad the one in a Ford must be.

          • DC

            You have to laugh…

        • Ben

          yea but even if you measure it manually it makes very little difference compared to the trip computer, better in our case. I certainly dont think their economy is fantastic at all and certainly one of their few downfalls but its not as bad as being made out. 13 ish isnt too bad for its weight, drive a petrol v8 discovery or landcruiser and you\’ll find out what thirsty is. And even if the territory uses a litre or so more than it should, or than its main competitor for example, who really cares, it is so insignificant it doesnt really matter. When spending that much money on a car, sure fuel economy is a big factor but overall you want the best package. You can easily get back the cost of that extra litre per 100k in so many ways if it is important to you.

          • Carfanatic

            True, Land Cruisers are shocking on fuel. I managed to swindle a 200 series one evening and by god it used a lot of petrol from Carinbah to Mt Kuringai and back. Hate to have seen how much more it would have used if I was in really heavy traffic.

            Nice to drive though

      • Ben

        i agree, 25 per 100 is utter crap. the only way id have a hope of getting that is by being completely lead footed around town with a trailer on. I do actually tow about a 1300kg trailer in town occasionally and 18-19 would be the worst it would get, and no more than 14 on the open road at 110. 25 is not realistic unless something is not normal with the car.

    • Gilly

      Reckless; If true that puts the Terri’s consumption the same as a CX7!
      Face it its pretty hard to dis-credit the Territory as it is the best all rounder for under $60k. The CX9, Murano, Kluger have their advantages over it for looks, fit and finish, technology, but as a purposeful long term family car the Territory has its own advatages over the competition.

      • whatefa

        Such as?

        • DC

          A good combination of ride, handling, price, space, power, features and (for its size) economy if you want a family wagon that is used primarily in the city and suburbs.

          That doesn’t mean it’s the best in all areas, it’s not – but as an overall package for the money, it’s still very competitive. It’s easy to sit in an X5 or Q7 and find things that are better than the Territory but in other areas the Territory is equal or better – then when you look at the price differential you start to realise how much ‘value’ you have to assign to the badge of the competition to make them worth considering.

          Having said all that, its mechanical build quality issues are well known – the latest model addresses the front suspension weaknesses finally but shouldnt have happened in the first place.

          • whatefa

            economy if you want a family wagon that is used primarily in the city and suburbs.
            huh?????

            Using the 4 speed auto on the volume selling RWD model, hardly surprising this overweight and chronically outdated barge drinks like a thirsty camel.
            Catchup time for Ford, and this ‘update’ doesn’t cut it.

        • Gilly

          Towing capacity, torque, ride, handling, space, cheap to maintain long term, practical interior, unoffensive looks and adaptability to LPG.

        • Ben

          torque is one that comes to mind, it can lumber around at less than 2000 all day long quite happily making it relaxing to drive

    • Jack

      Interesting point Reckless1.

      We live in an ex-urban/country area. I check each fill the same method, and calcuate manually. Degree of error is small. Model is the 6 speed auto. Additions are driver’s wind visor, bonnet and headlamp covers, roof racks. Fuel is Ultimate, as I believe in putting quality in.

      Overall economy is 11.5. Highway is 10.5. Worst ever fill, not towing, is 13. Towing a 1500kg van + estimated 400kg of load got a 17.5 booting it (towing!)around the West Coast of Tassie, and remarkable 13.2 towing on more normal roads. All towing is done in the ‘sport’ mode as per user manual.

      I made a point to run the car in by being HARD on the motor, not recommended by manufacturers, in the aim of getting a good seal on the piston rings. It chews no oil and the fuel figures are true, so it *may* have worked for me. Or it *may* have made no difference whatsoever. I do not recommend that any of you run a car in this way.

      None of these figures are lies.

      However, if I owned a 4 speed auto and lived in a city doing the rush hour, I would not be surprised to see 16-17 on the overall consumption.

      I would not expect any better from a Kluger/CX7/CX9 in similar conditions though. The torque of the inline 6 is its massive advantage.

    • Jack

      We live in the country, about 20km outside a large town. We have the 6speed AWD SR Territory. Most of our driving is country with a mix of urban town driving, and average fuel consumption on trip meter is 11.2L/100km. By manually filling it, (fill to 1st click, find 2nd click, round off to nearest dollar, every time) I calculate 10.6L/100km.

      This is over 100,000km and I have every receipt as I am thorough by nature.

      So for you to say we owners are lying, I reckon you are full of it!

      To be fair Reckless1, if we lived in Essendon and had a 2004 4speed auto and thrashed it around the suburbs, I would not be surprised by 17L/100km. But we don\’t and these are real figures.

  • Ben

    This is a great car that has just got even better. We have a early model territory that was built in July 2004, and we have had no problems with it at all!! and Car advice its not that hard to put the seats fully flat…if you were reviewing the car thoroughly you would have sen how it works.

    • Carfanatic

      Ben, you need to read Paul Maric’s comments in this forum about the seats, he explains the why they wouldn’t lay flat.

  • realcars

    The Territory as most are aware is based on the Falcon “The Great Australian Road Car” and as such is a pleasue to drive and doesn’t loosen up until u get 200,000 klms or so on the odometer.

    Good to know that as your Territory is coming into it’s stride Klugers and the like will be ready for the local landfill.LOL.

    Hey and don’t bag the AU as many have now done the amount of work Toyota can only dream about.

    • Ben

      id have to agree on that! ours has done 190ks and feels as strong to drive if not better than earlier in its life, the engine really does age well

    • Jack

      Agree, the drivetrains age really well. Ford sixes and Cruiser NA diesels are the unkillable motors of this continent.

    • Jack

      But I will take issue with the “work Toyota can only dream of”. Try the 2H diesel, many of them went near a million km! Ours personally did enough kms to get to the moon, and was on its way back when we sold! Respect.

      Then there’s the story of the 60 series that fell 10 stories into an open cut mine. They started it and drove it away, much flatter and more bashed up. Respect.

  • realcars

    Car fanatic wouldn’t be a mover and shaker in Toyota as all the real management jobs are reserved for Japanese.LOL.

    A car fanatic that works for Toyota?Isn’t that a contradiction.LOL.

  • Anthrax

    Typical of Ford’s (and Holden’s) business methods. Give us ordinary, outdated cars and tell us that they’re good cars

  • Jack

    Paul,

    You need to slide the mid seats forward to put down the rear seat. All seven seat Territorys have forward sliding mid seats. I believe it’s an option on the 5 seater as well, for a more versatile luggage area.

    The next step is to slide the seat squab of the rear seat in.

    Then simply fold down the rear backrest. Click! It is flat.

    :)

    • Jack

      Make that “you need to slide the MID seats forward”, in case the edit doesn’t work

      :)

  • Brett

    After what I’ve just read about the Territories problems with their ball joints which involves wheels falling off, I wouldn’t touch one with a barge pole. I know it involved the ’04 to ’09 models but the way ford refused to admit to fault and try and bury the potentially fatal problem, I will never buy a car from them.
    Google “ford territory problems” if you don’t believe me.
    Today tonight ran a story on it in February which you will find a link to if you scroll down far enough through the hundreds of territory owners complaints.A class action law suit is currently underway so watch this space.
    So if you own one purchased in that 5 yr period I fear for your safety!

    • fourl6

      wheels falling off is a bit extreme.. only cases of this have only occurred due to cars not being serviced at recommended intervals(going atleast twice the recommended 15k intervals, also ford will now replace balljoints free of charge if found to be becoming a problem, they are checked every service. Every car can be dangerous if not maintained properly. Dont forget they are also now 5 Star ANCAP rated.

  • Hamgooster

    Well, I bought a Territory over the Kluger, satisfied they had solved the ball joint problems and preferring the way the Ford drove over the Toyota (the Mazda CX 9 having no full size spare excluded it from my list). I should have known better.
    Ford’s service has been deplorable. I first of all was told a large whine from the power steering pump was “normal” and the pump wouldn’t be replaced – well it’s NOT normal and now the dealer (after my insisting) has agreed to replace it. Upon taking the vehicle home I noticed the plastic cover over where the rear seatbelt bolts to the pillar was broken. I hadn’t noticed it at time of delivery – one of my kids noticed it when belting up. Ford are “considering whether to replace it” under warranty – which is BS because even it it had broken after delivery it shouldn’t have and I rang the dealer as soon as I discovered it, to be told to “leave it” until the first service.
    In addition the LCD screen (for reverse camera etc), after one week developed a permanent horizontal black line through it. After being told they would replace it, Ford say they won’t do it until I bring the vehicle back in so they can take photos of it (and you can bet the photos wont show up the problem sufficiently for them to accept it. Oh and today the right hand turn indicator commenced “sticking”. THIS VEHICLE HASN”T DONE 2000km YET!!!!
    I might be more accepting of these problems if Ford Australia didn’t treat every complaint like I was a criminal. I have owned 3 Fords (in the 90s) before and whilst they had their share of problems, at least the service was ok. Now I remember why I was so happy with my previous 3 fully imported Jap cars (Mazda, Suzuki, Subaru) Minimum problems, fuss free service.
    My conclusion? The Ford Territory is a nice car, badly built, by a company who have a long way to go in understanding customer satisfaction. I have purchased my last ever Ford.

    • Tinman

      Do you realise that one day you will have to trade/sell this vehicle.
      I’ll give you $10 000 for it now, before you depreciate it any further with your ranting.

  • Brett

    Not sure if you know how this works Tinman but last time I checked this was a forum/review site where people can express their views and personal experiences with their vehicles and I applaud Hamgooster for letting us know about the issues with his Territory and Ford in general.Perhaps it will prevent someone from buying one of those lemons and going through the heartache and cost of dealing with Ford.
    Sounds to me like you’re a Territory owner concerned about your own trade-in price with all the negative reviews out there.
    Why someone buys Australian cars ahead of Japanese is beyond me, it’s been well known for a long time we can’t consistently make quality cars. I’d even buy Korean before Ford! The Hyundais and Kias have improved dramatically over the last 5 years.

  • Brett

    Spoken like a Ford dealer trying to salvage plummeting Territory sales!

  • Jon

    I’ve had a Territory TX SR model for the last two and a half years, as a company vehicle. The car has travelled 125000km in two and a half years at an average of 13.2 litres/100km over that distance, city, country, freeway suburban driving and some towing. The fuel take hold about 75 litres. Around town I can get 480 – 530km using about 68/70 liters. On country roads about 600 – 650km for 68/70 litres

    THE GOOD:
    The seats in the Territory are brilliant, especially the driver and passanger. I do a lot of miles and I havent come across another car with as good seats for driving.

    The car is quiet and easy to drive. My wife loves it and even finds it easy to park. It’s a good car whether your driving around town or on long distances. It’s a very functional and practical car for Australian conditions.

    The airconditioning/heating is great. Cools the car very quickly especially on on hot summer days.

    Plenty of room and plenty of storage spaces and great vision, wherever you are sitting.

    Engine and transmission are good. Handling is good, drives like a car with little body roll for an SUV.

    Brakes are ok. I personally would like a better feel to the brakes.

    Great for towing. I’ve towed a 5.5m boat from Melb. to Nothern NSW and back, with four adults and a car full of luggage. The suspension engine and transmission all coped well. Overtaking wasn’t a problem and the car cruised at 110km. The fuel consumption did go up significantly, as expected.

    THE BAD

    The deployment of the 3rd row seat should be made easier, a lot easier. It a pain in the backside. It should be made simpler. First of all you have to slide the split 2nd row seats forward, then remove the head rests of the 3rd row seats, (because they get squashed when the 2nd row is moved back into position) The next step is to slide the seat cushion of the 3rd row seat back into the cavity and then fold down the 3rd row seat. After that, then slide the 2nd row back into position.

    Quality of the plastics to the dash area, needs improving. The instrument cluster and centre console needs a revamp.

    The four speed transmission, although good is long in the tooth and needs to be replaced with a 5 or 6 speed bringing it in line with other SUV’s and improved economy.

    Engine ping!!! I constantly had engine ping, especially on hot days. Ford dealership where I bought the car tried to tell me that engine ping isn’t bad for the engine and if I was concerned I should use premium fuel or an additive. I finally got it fixed through a third party. It seems to achieve better fuel consumption Ford runs the engine lean and advances the timing. Since then, the pinging has been fixed but my fuel consumption has gone up from an average of 12.5 to 13.2L/100km.

    FORD dealership servicing dept. What can I say. Expensive!!!!! dissicult to deal with at times and thats being kind. Are they any different to anyone else.

    THINGS REPLACED

    Tires at 80,00km. Not bad…
    Brake pads at 50,000km and at 115,000km
    Front disc brakes remachined at 50,000km and at 115,000km. I dont get it. I’m not hard on the car or the brakes.
    Drivers side window motor. Broke at 105,000km. Not covered by warranty after 100,000. The car was just over 2 years old at this stage.

    Universal joint seals replaced.

    WOULD I BUY ANOTHER.
    Yes currently looking at a Territiry TS Limited Edition or a diesel Captiva – more bang for your bucks with the captiva and cheaper. Not too sure about the quality of the Captiva though. However, definately not using the same ford dealership if I go with ford.

  • peter

    I’m thinking of bying a ford territory Gia awd next year, could any one please let me know the estimated fuel consumption while towing a 16ft poptop van or any van, also fuel con around the city & on the open road not towing anthing.

    • nickdl

      Ive got an 09 SY Ghia AWD (earlier than the one tested here). Great car to drive and we haven’t had an issue. Haven’t towed a caravan but fuel in the city we average 13.5L/100km which I reckon is pretty good and on the open road it drops to about 9L/100km.

  • James

    My friend just got one yesterday im not sure but I think its secondhand.

  • John

    Hey guys,has anyone experienced RUST in any of there Ford Territory?Where is the RUST?
    Thanks John

  • http://daleford.com.au/NewVehicles Ford Territory Sydney

    Its looking like a great car. I will go for test drive, because next month I am planning to buy ford car. Thanks for sharing information.

  • pam gow

    Hi I have just bought a 2008 SY TX and want to know what this car would have cost new, I paid $17,712 on the road a few weeks ago having done 146,000ks, good condition outside, few scratches inside, love the car and would like it on gas, is this possible. Thanks.Replys appreciated if you can.

    • Nick Dalziel

      For a RWD it would have cost around $40K, add $4000 for AWD. Gas can be had aftermarket on the Territory although I think it may only be for 5 seat models as the spare tyre has to go in the boot. Glad you’re happy, they’re a great car to drive and really practical.

  • Pist

    I get about 17 litres to the 100 as does my mate who has one too. Annoyed at the windows, new master control 3 times, new runners for all twice, rear brake line ruptured twice (no brakes) 2 mufflers, 3 brakes sensors, 1 master brake cylinder, all welch plugs replaced, transmission oil pump (in radiator ,,,you what,) replaced
    rear seats won’t fold as lever broke now 4 times and refuse to replace now.
    But comfiest car i’ve ever drove would i have another well no Japanese next time .

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Ford Territory Specs

GHIA : 4.0L MULTI POINT F/INJ - 6 SP AUTO SEQ SPORTSHIFT - UNLEADED PETROL - 4D WAGON
Car Details
Make
FORD
Model
TERRITORY
Variant
GHIA
Series
SY MKII
Year
2009
Body Type
4D WAGON
Seats
7
Engine Specifications
Engine Type
MULTI POINT F/INJ
Engine Size
4.0L
Cylinders
INLINE 6
Max. Torque
383Nm @  2500rpm
Max. Power
190kW @  5250rpm
Pwr:Wgt Ratio
90.5W/kg
Bore & Stroke
92.26x99.31mm
Compression Ratio
10.3
Valve Gear
VARIABLE DOUBLE OVERHEAD CAM
Drivetrain Specifications
Transmission
6 SP AUTO SEQ SPORTSHIFT
Drive Type
ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Final Drive Ratio
3.46
Fuel Specifications
Fuel Type
UNLEADED PETROL
Fuel Tank Capacity
75
Fuel Consumption (Combined)
12.2L / 100km
Weight & Measurement
Kerb Weight
2100
Gross Vehicle Weight
Not Provided
Height
1676mm
Length
4856mm
Width
1898mm
Ground Clearance
178mm
Towing Capacity
Brake:2300  Unbrake:750
Steering & Suspension
Steering Type
RACK & PINION - POWER ASSISTED
Turning Circle
11.4
Front Rim Size
7.5x18
Rear Rim Size
7.5x18
Front Tyres
235/55 R18
Rear Tyres
235/55 R18
Wheel Base
2842
Front Track
1626
Rear Track
1597
Front Brakes
DISC - VENTILATED
Rear Brakes
DISC - VENTILATED
Standard Features
Comfort
Auto Climate Control with Dual Temp Zones, Power front seat Driver/memory, Rear seat enhancement pack
Control & Handling
18 Inch Alloy Wheels, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Traction Control System
Driver
Adjustable Pedals, Cruise Control, Leather Steering Wheel, Parking Distance Control, Power Steering, Reversing Camera, Trip Computer
Entertainment
CD with 6 CD Stacker, Sound System with 7 Speakers
Exterior
Fog Lights - Front, Power Mirrors, Side Steps
Interior
Leather Upholstery, Power Windows
Safety
Dual Airbag Package, Anti-lock Braking, Head Airbags
Security
Central Locking Remote Control
Optional Features
Driver
Satellite Navigation
Exterior
Body Kit, Tow Pack
Other
Service Interval
12 months /  15,000 kms
Warranty
36 months /  100,000 kms
VIN Plate Location
8-J-23
Country of Origin
AUSTRALIA