2009 Lexus RX350 Review & Road Test

Pros: Smooth auto; capable performance; remote touch system

Cons: Familiar looks; road & wind noise; slightly stiffer ride

By Matt Brogan | March 27th, 2009

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2009 Lexus RX350 Sports Luxury Review & Road Test

Newer, bigger, better… yet somehow strangely familiar

Model Tested:

2009 Lexus RX350 Sports Luxury, 3.5-litre V6, five-speed auto, wagon – $94,900 (RRP)

Options:

Mark Levinson audio $3000; full size spare $1000

CarAdvice Rating:

- by Matt Brogan

The RX model has been a great success for Lexus since the original RX300 went on sale here in early 1999, but this model’s popularity however was soon to appear pale by comparison to the unprecedented sales triumph of the second generation RX330 from 2003.

In 2006 a hybrid variant of the RX was introduced, further driving sales with the RX400h taking total sales figures for the first two generations of the RX model to more than 15,000 units in Australia alone.

Now the third incarnation of the RX evolves the lineage once again, and based on this week’s drive, that same winning formula is certain to see RX350′s sales prove equally as popular.

Although the RX350 is somewhat familiar stylistically, it is altogether a new vehicle and is both larger and more powerful than its predecessor.

A restyled nose with more dramatically angular headlamps and larger, lower-set grille help the vehicle flow with a little more grace, a hard task for the typically ungainly and boxy stature of an SUV.

The model as tested this week, the Sports Luxury, sits atop the RX range at $94,900 and, ergo, above the Prestige ($81,900) and Sports ($88,900) models respectively. An updated hybrid model is set to join to the model range later this year.

Inside the roomy and well designed cabin a light and airy ambiance awaits with a clever blend of contemporary decor and modern styling harmoniously creating a feeling that this is indeed a top-shelf SUV.

Woodgrain, though not a personal favourite, is extensively featured throughout and does seem to suit the RX350′s purpose as a top-of-the-range model.

Combined with supple creamy leather, high-grade plastics and subtle chrome highlights this Sports Luxury model does truly feel deserved of its title and is coincidently very comfortable and well equipped, except, perhaps, for the glaring omission that is a rear-seat DVD screen.

With features too numerous to list, I’ve chosen to highlight Lexus’ new Remote Touch control system, which in some ways is similiar to BMW’s iDrive, but more simplistic and easier to use.

The control fits in the palm of your hand and is controlled by your finger tips and thumb in much the same way you’d use a mouse. Simply point and click, using the large centre colour screen on the dashboard, to control navigation, audio, climate control and car menu systems. It’s a shame more manufacturers are yet to adopt such user-friendly technology.

Disappointingly however, and contrary to claims from Lexus, the RX350 cabin is not as quiet as it could be. Wind noise from the large wing mirrors is evident through the side glass, as is tyre noise on all but the smoothest of paved surfaces. Interestingly engine and exhaust noise is minimal showing improvements in some areas, but not others.

The ride too is a noticeably more stiff than the previous model, but not so much so that it’s uncomfortable. The upside to this increased rigidity however is that handling has been substantially improved.

For a big car with a 180mm ground clearance the RX350 is surprisingly agile and thanks to a strut front/wishbone rear suspension arrangement the RX350 manages highway speed cornering with confidence. Body roll too is minimal on all but the most sudden of cornering manoeuvres.

The electric power-steering is well weighted and has no evidence of the lag that was prevalent in the RX330, which this model replaces. The steering also provides a decent amount of feedback for an SUV though I did find there was noticeable levels of column vibration on less civilised rural roads.

On the open highway though the RX350 is smooth, settled and certainly capable with its 3.5-litre, DOHC, V6 sufficient for the majority of situations.

Acceleration from standstill is especially impressive with 0-100 times of 8.0 seconds though in-gear times, noticeable when overtaking at highway speeds, could, I feel, be improved a little.

The RX350 features a bigger engine than the model is replaces too with 204kW of power available from 6200rpm and an adequate 346Nm of torque on hand from 4700rpm. Power is delivered to all four wheels via a silky smooth and impressively responsive five-speed automatic transmission.

With five people and their baggage on board the RX350 cruises quite comfortably and returned an average fuel economy figure of 11.7-litres per 100km with a week’s drive this time including an 850km highway round-trip. A further 410kms were clocked up inner-city.

Cargo capacity is quite generous at 446-litres (seats up to window height) and can be expanded to 900-litres with the 60:40 rear seats flipped down.

There’s also no need to jump in-and-out of the back seat this time round thanks to remote seat release latches fitted to the outboard sides of the cargo compartment.

Safety comes compliments of dual front, side, curtain and a driver’s knee airbags, ABS braking with EBA and EBD, as well as standard full-time all-wheel-drive, ESP and Traction Control (ANCAP assessment results yet to be confirmed).

In all the RX350 is simply a natural progression of the brand’s popular SUV model and although it’s newer, bigger and better, it does somehow feel strangely familiar.

This familiarity may or may not work in favour of buyers who want to stand out from the crowd, but that said if you’re to base the car on it merits alone, I’m not sure too many buyers will mind.

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Specifications:

Engine: 3456cc DOHC V6 (24 valve)
Power: 204kW @ 6200rpm
Torque: 346Nm @ 4700rpm
Induction: Multi-point
Transmission: Five-speed automatic
Driven Wheels: All
Brakes: Discs with ABS, EBA & EBD
Top Speed: 200km/h
0-100km/h: 8.0 seconds
CO2 Emissions: 254g/km
Fuel Consumption: 10.8 litres per 100km (ADR)
Fuel Consumption: 11.7 litres per 100km (As Tested)
Fuel Tank Capacity: 72-litres
Fuel Type: 95RON petrol
ANCAP Rating: TBC
Airbags: Front, side, curtain & driver’s knee
Safety: ESP with Traction Control
Spare Wheel: Space saver (full-size optional)
Suspension: Strut (F)/wishbone (R)
Cargo Capacity: 446-litres (seats up)
Tow Capacity: 1500kg (braked)
Turning Circle: 11.4 metres
Warranty: Four Year/100,000km
Weight: 2085kg (Tare)
Wheels: Alloy 19 x 7.5-inch

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Alex

I would never buy one of these and no, it’s not because it’s a Lexus, it’s because I believe that the competition is better. And yes I have driven this new model.
I just don’t see any reason to buy this over an X5 diesel. The X5 is more economical, better looking and still has great reliability and build quality. Why wouldn’t you?
This thing looks weird. That interior simply looked different to me in all the promotional shots but when I was in it (and this is true of the dashboard shot three pictures down) it already looks dated. They should have done better.
Oh, and Lexus, loose the wood – it cheapens the car big time and really emphasizes that old men buy Lexus’ stereotype.
Jake02

I really didn’t like the old RX, and the new one really seems to build even more on that.
Reckless1

I agree with Alex (to a point) – I would much rather have a 3 litre diesel Touareg for $75,000, and that leaves $20,000 to tick in the options boxes.

This Camry looks pretty awful, bring on those who criticised the new Skoda appearance, you can have a field day with this thing. Ssangyong rear end and all.

The Skoda looks much classier.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Road and wind noise in a 94k car ,not good enough !

It looks like any other Jap SUV but a little more ho hum….
Daniel

I don’t think the original RX300 was ever officially imported into Australia – correct me if I’m wrong. All of the used ones for sale are grey imports, and you’ll notice the steering wheels all have Toyota logos
B-Man

Daniel,
That’s true. They were sold as Toyota Harriers in Japan, hence the Toyota steering wheel.
The Realist

Alex Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 6:43 am
“I just don’t see any reason to buy this over an X5 diesel. The X5 is more economical, better looking and still has great reliability and build quality. Why wouldn’t you?”

Agreed.

Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am
“Road and wind noise in a 94k car ,not good enough !”

Same as no luxury features in $75K rep mobiles, not good enough.
Simonsez

Daniel. I believe that you are correct. Toyota seemed to have no interest in this vehicle until they saw the relatively large number of grey imports coming in and wanted part of the action for themselves.After all ,why should Aussies have access to this vehicle for around $20 k as a grey import when Toyota can start off by charging around $60 k for new ones?The latest price tag does seem excessive , but no doubt there are people who’ll still buy one.
Jake02

Internet had a spazz, was meant to say:
I really didn’t like the old RX, and the new one builds even more hatred on top of that. The front looks so out of place, and that grille (with the chrome that extends onto the headlights) looks ridiculous. The rear is really boring and the interior is already dated. Not only that, this car STARTS at $81,000! Not only are there much better cars available for less than this amount (the Volvo XC60, Audi Q5, Nissan Murano as well as the luxury cars Skoda Superb, Merc C-Class, Ford G6E Turbo, Alfa 159, Holden Calais V8, Honda Accord V6 Luxury/Honda Legend).
I\’d much rather any of these, as well as the BMW X5, Merc ML and Audi Q7 which are a bit more expensive but I would think worth the extra money. Lexus its not good enough!
bruster

i dont know how they get these figures 0-100 in 8 sec.
if that is the case the rav4 v6 which is 400 kgs lighter should go like a rocket. But same drive train and transmission with a few more bells and wistles dont justify the price tag their are asking.

totally agree with above comments… BMW all the way.
Acfsambo

I still cant see the point of this segment, as they are big, heavy, unseafe for pedestrians and other cars as well as no off road ability. If i have missed something, tell me.
Supply & Demand

It would be difficult to say no to this car if your in the market for a luxury suv. Unlike BMW, Audi and Mercedes Lexus offer most options as standard which is important for cars in this price range.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

sigh………she takes a deep breath

“Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am
“Road and wind noise in a 94k car ,not good enough !”

Realist reply says “Same as no luxury features in $75K rep mobiles, not good enough. ”

Road and wind noise are not expected in most cars these days “Realist” If Hyundai can give that to you why cant a 94k Luxury SUV ? Or is that a Luxury feature from Lexus ?
Johnno

I am picking up an ML320 CDI today. I test drove this new Lexus, the Volvo XC60 (which was excellent), Volvo XC90, Audi Q5 and a numbre of others.

The Lexus was impressive with stand out technology. Interestingly though, it was still smaller in the back seat than the Merc, which wouldnt fit 3 baby seats across when the Merc did (which is needed my young family). The drive was a little uninspiring and the refined torque (510nm) of the diesel in the Merc made driving in the real world feel effortless. The fact that Mercedes were happy to “meet market conditions” meant that alot of the techonolgy that is standard in the new lexus came with the Merc.
Simon

bruster the Rav4 V6 Does go like a rocket, for the small SUV market. The only faster SUV in that field is the Forester XT manual.
It’s hard to argue with the “overpriced” sentiment. You part with nearly 100k and still need to shell out a few extra k just to get premium sound. That said, Toyota has proven there is demand for this car. I think it’s sales will slow given the amount of lease arrangements people aquire this car on.
Alex Said: BMW x5 D —————> Nodnodz.
Reckless1 Said: VW Touareg D ————> More nodz.
http://skyline The Salesman’s got SOUL

OK, it’s a nice car, drives well has plenty of ompf and is pleasant enough to look at. But besides the gadgets and cream leather trim where on gods green earth does the $94,900.00 hard earned go? On the engine? No, nothing special here. So maybe build quality? No, still has road and wind noise getting into the cabin from some were so it can’t be that good. Wheels and tyres, suspension, what, their just the same as the last model? Oh I see it now; it has an “L” on the front grill. Well, we all know what Jim Carry will tell us what that stands for. I think you would have to have had some kind of brain explosion to drive past the BMW and Mercedes dealership hand write out a check in the Lexus showroom to buy one of these. At this price it should be five steering wheels as a minimum.
Iz

Salesman: “..I think you would have to have had some kind of brain explosion to drive past the BMW and Mercedes dealership hand write out a check in the Lexus showroom to buy one of these..”

Unfortunately, there will be some people silly enough by thinking simply because it has a Lexus badge, they are being ‘different from the crowd’.

Being different isnt always better.

And car companies are coming up with simple, elegant designs. This RX looks overweight, the window/tire/body height ratio is all out. But I do have to say.. what is WITH that center console design? Angles everywhere!

I swear if the trim started to loosen and wear (as it would EVENTUALLY, long after the owners have died I bet) it could hurt someone =p

At this price point, you’d be hoping to get the best car you could get, so my choice of vehicle would lean towards the X5 diesel, definitely.
Bret

Bloody expensive Kluger.
(OK I am just kidding, despite the drivetrain similarities there are too many other differences to even be a twin with the kluger)

But this is the Kluger drivetrain isn’t it?
Take a 201kw@6200rpm/337Nm@4700rpm Kluger engine on 91 RON, chuck 95RON in it and ….. presto 204kw@6200rpm/346Nm4700rpm Lexus.
I suspect that Lexus just recommend 95RON fuel so that their customers think that they are a bit special. The performance gains would not be noticed in everyday driving.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

I have to ask ,whats the go with all the engine covers ? They trying to hide a mess under all that or make the engine look half interesting by framing the manifold cover?

Mechanics would “HATE IT” are they under it too?…………..You would think heat disbursement would be an issue ! Weird !
ZoomZoom

To think people were slagging off the CX7′s towing capacity. Isn’t this a larger vehicle and not to mention more powerful then the CX7. Why is the towing capacity less??
t39

If you like this RX350 (I do not), save 50% and get a MURANO ))
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Out of interest ZOOM ZOOM what is the top speed for the Mazda CX-7 and 9 ?Is it just me or is 200 clicks a little average for top speed in a Luxury SUV .

Bret if what you say is correct would explain the engine covers covering all that Toyota stuff but also why Wheels had said that on the previous model the ESP was a little spooky on the dirt like the Kluger was.

Matt thanks for your spec sheets,I wish all the guys did them
Ezz

We were in the market 2 years ago and at the end of the day I couldn’t justify the extra spend of this class over what we eventually got, a Territory Ghia. Sure the Ford may not be as refined, etc but I felt it was a better drive from a power / torque and handling perspective. Test drives included the XC70, RX350 (as we were trading an IS200) and previous Kluger.

The T Ghia outshone the others in regards to the front-end setup and drive train. The ZF tranny is certainly a jewel and if you don’t mind the inferior fit and finish, I can’t see why you’d bother with the extra spend.

The RX was certainly ahead of its time when it first came out, but I can’t help feeling this one is somewhat uninspiring.

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Sam

Oh dear, why have they used the ugly stick on this? The old one looked a bit nicer I think. It looks like a Toyota apprentice designer got to do this one. Bring back Lexus design please. This thing is awful.
Baji

Bavarian Missile, Mazda CX9 and CX7 both have a top speed of 220km/h. Lexus RX has top speed of 240km/h. Im not sure if they are electronically limited but thats what the speedo says. CX9 does 0-100 in the same time as the RX. 8 secs. The lexus has a lower fuel consumption than both mazdas tho.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Thanks Baji except Matt says it has a top speed of 200 ks ,perhaps thats what its limited too ?
Golfschwein

Cyster, you is sooooooooo UUUUUUUUUGLI!

Not you, Bavarian Missile, the car!
Golfschwein

Is this new model still sold as a Toyota Harrier in Japan?
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Gee I would hope not Golfy,hasnt been that long since I last saw you.

Oh and no Perth Auto Show for us this year dear………its canceled

Quote “Is this new model still sold as a Toyota Harrier in Japan? ”

They were Golfy ??????? Spare parts cheaper from Toyota for it than Lexus too I would guess.
Bret

It seams that Toyota are still selling the old model 350 as the Toyota Harrier domestic model.
http://www.caradvice.com.au David Twomey

For those questioning the quoted top speed. Lexus official statistics state: Top Speed 200km/h
CarAdvice does not independently test Top Speed
B-Man

Yes BM, from a mechanics point of view, the engine covers are a complete pain in the arse. It’s the same across the board as most manufacturers have 20 kilos of cheap plastic under the bonnet these days. Heat dispersement isn’t so much of a problem if you have a decent thermo fan or 2, but after about 100,000ks the cheaper plastics become very brittle and break very easily. And as you can imagine, not cheap to replace.
nobody

Regarding the Toyota Harrier – Lexus was not released in Japan until 2005. Hence the RX was sold under Toyota until it was discontinued in 2008. Not sure whether or not the RX is sold in Japan these days but it wasn’t when Lexus was launched there.

This is the same deal for all other Lexus models in Japan, sold under the Toyota name until Lexus arrived. Some such models had smaller engines and less refined interior blah blah but yeah you guys get the point.

About the new RX, I actually like it alot better than the previous model. Looking at them side to side, this is alot more sharper however it looks more a facelift then a new model upgrade. This car is mainly purchased by conservative drivers and a cashcow for Lexus, I don’t see them changing too much about it in the future unfortunately. As long as it continues to be the world’s best selling luxury SUV anyway.

Agreed with everyone else though, rather a X5 diesel anyday or even a Ford Territory over everything else if just for practicality of a strong SUV that gets the job done.
Bret

Nobody?, Toyota still list the Harrier on their Japanese website as currently available. So it looks like it has always been available in japan as a “Toyota”
nobody

Bret, if it is then I stand corrected. Yes it’s always been a Toyota in Japan, not a Lexus. But it’s essentially a Lexus branded as a Toyota.
http://www.fmgjbv.au rich boy

I alsways see the new Lexus RX350 sport prestige in black near a school. I say it’s kinda nice but expensive.
Stevo

A couple of corrections are required to the review and the specs.

* The auto is a 6 speed not a 5 speed.
* In 2006 the 3.5L engine replaced the 3.3 (in the petrol model not Hybrid) so this is not replacing the RX330 as stated – from 06 it was and still is the RX350. So it is not “a bigger engine than the model is replaces”.

The engine is almost the same as the engine in 06 RX350 – this has a massive 1 KW extra.
sco

lets see how the diesel fanboys enjoy 6.4L/100km and 220kw from the new RX450h might even be a little bit quieter too
nobody

RX 450h will probably be closer to 8L/100km in real world figures, not too much less than a X5 35d. If alot of long distance driving, it’ll won’t travel as far either because of the smaller fuel tank. Though it’ll reign supreme in city conditions.
Alex

Sco, I’d still rather have the diesel X5. For a start, the X5s dynamics are miles ahead of the Lexus’ and it still looks way better but for the most part, yes that is good economy but people who drive hybrids just look stupid these days. More people are more aware that they’re not all that good for the environment these days so when you see someone driving a hybrid they look stupid because they thought they were doing a good thing but really, an X5 would be much, much greener in the long run.
An besides, like Nobody has written, the Lexus’ economy in real life will be much closer to the X5s than 6.4 liters per 100kms. The BMW would be a much better all rounder than the Lexus.
Finally, I know three people with X5s. Two of them have 35d’s and one has a 30d. They do meet they’re economy promise. The 35d’s use less than nine litres per 100k in rush hour London traffic. However, I also know six people with RX400h’s (you miss out on the C charge in London if you own a hybrid) and they do nine liters per 100k in town as well so the economy with previous models is on par with the much better diesel X5.
Alex

Another thing nobody has mentioned about the X5 yet that is a big plus for this segment is that even if they are squashy, you can get a seven seat X5. I’m pretty sure I’ve heard you can’t get a seven seat RX. Correct me if I’m wrong.
realcars

Ssangyong clone that’s for sure.Fuglier than the outgoing model.

Sort of got that amphibious look about it but not as much as the old model.Looks like u could drive into a lake and a couple of props sticking out the back would get u to the other side.
http://cash-for-clunkers.com Imee

Not bad, not bad. I do agree with you though, that it looks familiar. For a car to stand out, it doesn’t only have to have unique features but a unique appearance as well that actually is aesthetically pleasing.
realcars

Where’s Dan and 69?

So this has a Toyota steering wheel & badge(in Japan)yet the Prado is built by Lexus(so it goes). Please explain?

Perhaps the Toyota origin explains the road and wind noise.

When is a Lexus a Lexus and a Toyota a Toyota?LOL

Whoever bought the latest Murano must be doing cart wheels!
ZoomZoom

Hi Bavarian Missile,
The Cx7 has a top speed of 210 and the cx9 has a top speed of 250(according to carsguide). Hope that helps and puts a contrast between these vehicles here. BTW cx9 has a 2000kg towing capcity and weighs less than this. Not trying to compare here but just putting it out there.
Camski

Some may agree with me, some may not, but it does look better in the metal than it does in the pictures, especially in black or smokey granite. This isn’t necessarily to say it looks GOOD but BETTER.

Now,
a) The last one was good – If you think otherwise, you have little respect for what a car is.
b) This (new RX) only builds on that.

Pricing’s a bit steeper but that didn’t stop people from buying the X5 back in the RX330 days, granted it drove better but for families, price is an important thing to consider, especially today. Keeping in mind that the Sports Luxury at the time (that is, loaded) was only some 4 digits north of the X5′s 80 odd.

I think the point we may be missing is the market this is aimed at. I see that the X5, ML & co. are competitors in both performance and price but when we start digging at diesel this, torque that, handling there, interior here, that’s really not the point. We each buy a car according to what we need as individuals. Like a poster above that purchased the ML320, one of his main justifications was that the rear seat fit 3 baby seats where as the RX did not.

If Lexus wanted to take on say the X5 4.8 head on, they probably very well could, even if their previous rep record says otherwise (think lazy, luxury over performance etc.) but that would mean reworking a new car which could very well lose it’s previous credentials (which was, lazy, luxury over performance) which had it sell so well which says that, that car suited many individual’s needs.
The Realist

Bavarian Missile (.)(.) Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
“Road and wind noise are not expected in most cars these days “Realist” If Hyundai can give that to you why cant a 94k Luxury SUV ? Or is that a Luxury feature from Lexus ?”

I’m not arguing with you at all – it’s not good enough from a car that’s so expensive.

Just like it’s not good enough for a $75K rep mobile built in Oz to have less features than many cars under $40K that are also subject to 10% tariffs.

Or are you selective in your criticism…?
the fact

toyota is the world’s largest car maker and lexus is the best selling luxury brand in world largest auto market USA.
toyota quality is other car makers dreams.no one would attacking lexus or toyota if they are world number 50.jealousies create few loud voices.
Alex

But Camski, the last one wasn’t good. It didn’t get fantastic reviews and it was still falling behind the rest of them. Just as this new one is.
I don’t think that pricing really is a major concern when you’re talking about people buying this class of car. Price difference between a Rav4 and a CR-V? Well that’s important because they are budget SUVs but I don’t think people have much trouble coughing up the money for these ones.
You wrote – “I think the point we may be missing is the market this is aimed at. I see that the X5, ML & co. are competitors in both performance and price but when we start digging at diesel this, torque that, handling there, interior here, that’s really not the point.”

So then what is the point? Handling matters if you have to drive it, interior matters if you have kids or don’t want to feel poor driving your $100,000 SUV, torque matters if your lugging around dogs, children, prams, shopping and of course more torque is better than less and finally, diesel is simply better than either petrol or hybrid in this kind of car. The only other point I can think of is practicality and the Lexus doesn’t win there either.

Either your comment doesn’t make sense or I’ve misunderstood it in which case you need to state your point better.
Alex

To The Fact, so we’re going to do what the Americans do now are we? Lexus is so big in America because Americans are weird. And people here don’t hate Lexus and Toyota because they sell a lot of cars, people hate them because they sell a lot of cars when almost everything else in class is at least ten times better. Which it is.
And where have you been? Toyota has terrible build quality! Have you been in one lately? Cheap grey plastics, cheap leathers and plastic wood? Is that what you call good build quality?
Lexus build quality is also slipping. Anybody else see that Jaguar of all brands beat Lexus in US reliability surveys this year? Jaguar!
Wheelnut

the fact Says: March 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

toyota is the world’s largest car maker and lexus is the best selling luxury brand in world largest auto market USA.
toyota quality is other car makers dreams.no one would attacking lexus or toyota if they are world number 50….

We were wondering where you got to DAN
Alan

Alex, not saying i like toyota or lexus, as i find them dull, but why hate a brand if they can sell a lot of car of mediocre ability? Sure, they might be mediocre in terms of driver enjoyment and engine technology where car nuts like us worry about, for most average joe, it’s not a concern for them, and hence the success of Toyota.

And yes i have being in toyota’s lately, and i don’t think the quality is bad. i think it’s better than similar priced competitors from Nissan, Subaru and Mitsubishi, but not as good as Honda and Mazda. However, the quality of Lexus is really something else, not just the material used but the relibility and fit and finish as well.

Overall, not a big fan of the RX, but i don’t think there’s much wrong with it and can see it being a successful model for lexus. I don’t see the point of any cars in this SUV segment, including X5 and ML. What’s wrong with a 5-series wagon anyway?
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Quote “Just like it’s not good enough for a $75K rep mobile built in Oz to have less features than many cars under $40K that are also subject to 10% tariffs.

Or are you selective in your criticism…?”"

Not at all trying to stay on the subject of LEXUS but what the hell Ill play your little game !What features do you desire in our local made performance cars they currently lack but others under 40k have.

Why is it you criticise me for supporting them anyway, you owned one ?

Perhaps you could stay on topic instead of doing your usual stalking of me !
http://deleted Alex

Alan, the problem with the 5 Series wagon is that you can’t get a seven seat one and for some weird reason you can get an X5 30i for about $80,000 or there abouts but I think the 530i which is the only one offered in Australia starts at about $125,000. Less car for more money basically and a diesel, which is not offered, would make a lot more sense in a wagon.
Camski

Alex – “It didn’t get fantastic reviews..” I won’t disagree with you there but if you’ve ever driven one, it’s easy to appreciate the car for what it is, an amazing piece of engineering that’s still a real pleasure to drive over many other cars (“other cars” includes ones completely unrelated to the car in question, think Astra – Pajero).

Pricing is always a concern, although granted I see your point. Generalising for a minute, the RX/X5 etc. is primarily aimed at families wanting a flexible transition from sedan/station wagon to SUV/4WD without upsizing to say, a Pajero or vice versa (without downsizing down to a sedan). With that said, for a family to put down a sizeable payment which could’ve been put towards education fee’s or even an invesment property, you’ve gotta watch your pennies. There are cheaper alternatives which are still excellent cars but there’s a huge market for upmarket cars (just look at all the IS250/320i’s on the road, what’s wrong with say a Mazda 6?) and i’m sure many families aspire to aim for something just a little higher once it’s within their reach, we all do.

You see, that’s the thing, for you or me, handling, torque etc. come as big factors to consider when buying a car. But for individual X who couldn’t care less that the X5 does 0-100 in point 5 seconds less than the RX or that the X5 diesel gives a liter per hundred better than the RX400/450h**, there are other aspect’s they’d rather look at because when you’re shopping in this category, there is rarely an exceptionally bad car (rofl SC430) that is like comparing apples to oranges with it’s competition. The RX is a damn good car, sure, like you said it doesn’t receive fantastic reviews but does it come damn close to the competition?
Yes it does.

**(I considered specific points as you stated and at the end of the day thing’s like interior are really personal preferences as the competition v’s RX, neither really have a functionality advantage, same applies to say the differences between the X5 3.0i [unsure of current naming] and the RX350 with regards to performance, torque, power delivery etc. is negligable when you look at the whole picture, sometimes you have to compromise [that half a second to a hundred seems some $4000 better spent on something that's suited to what individual X wants in a car, which lets say may be a backup camera and navigation]. I’m sure you’ve seen the way some people drive, both in pricer cars, and less so – You can’t tell me that they all appreciate handling, power and torque the same way we do when they can barely stay in their lane =) )
Yanzo

looks better then the previous version but i’m a man of simple taste. the centre console has to be center not whatever that is. if i had the money would i buy it? no. would i drive it? yes.
Murano

Alex says “Anybody else see that Jaguar of all brands beat Lexus in US reliability surveys this year? Jaguar! ” ROTFLMAO
My ex-boss owns a Jag (XJS) and his car spends half the time in the workshop. Another boss owns a Range Rover Vogue that has drive shaft problems even though it’s new and runs exclusively on tarmac.
Sorry but I’ve to break the news…European build quality stinks, including the Germans.

Alex, please keep your Lexus/Toyota hate to yourself.
Alex

So Murano, the Europeans can’t do build quality? Well I’m not the only one who would disagree with you there. Why are Audi and BMW famed for their build quality then? Rolls Royce are European. And my Range Rovers fine (but I won’t pretend Land Rover haven’t had their problems) and maybe not all Jaguars but the XJ tops many reliability surveys so your bosses are unlucky. You can’t base the quality of an entire company on individual cars that your bosses have had.
I’m not saying Lexus don’t have good build quality by the way, I’m just stating fact. Look it up if you don’t believe me but Jaguar and Buick came before Lexus in the US reliability surveys this year and that’s for vehicles bought in 2006 so it’s even pre-XF. Type Lexus into Google News and it’s the second thing that comes up, as of now anyway.
And it’s not so much that I hate the brands, it’s that I hate how many cars they sell when the competition is so much better. And because you seem like one of those everything the Europeans make is crap and everything the Japanese make is wonderful types, that does include other Japanese competition such as Honda and Mazda.
Saab

Another Lexus/Toyota ruined by toyota Bashing muppets (Boganville Missile, FagCars, And Wheeltard)and CARADVICE team does nothing about!!

Good news BM, and RC at least now you will be able to trade in your old bombs for $3K and get your selfs some half decent cars!!
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

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GO HOWL SOMEWHERE ELSE NATIVE DOG !
Reality

Maybe Cardvice should do a study on the car reviews that generate the most bickering and not have a comments section for the future models for a while. Just give everyone a chance to get their blood pressures down. Or better yet, get all the regular posters together in the flesh. It is a lot harder to slag off someone online when you’ve met them in the flesh.
Falcodore

Honda and Mazda have better build quality than Toyota. Thats a FACT! As for reliability, both are as good if not better.
nobody

There always seems to be alot of bashing of any Toyota or Lexus. Understandably Lexus ain’t the most fun cars to drive and this RX isn’t going to change that. But really for it’s target market, it’s a good car.

I usually see moms driving this car and usually ones that don’t care about handling and such. What they do care about is a comfortable ride, which Lexus provides compared to it’s competitors. Most things come as standard so they don’t have to option rear sensors, camera and the usual stuff they normally would.

They also get great after sales service which is important to them. And yes the reliability of Lexus, it’s also alot better overall than it’s competitors (judging from surveys). Jaguar don’t make SUV’s so let’s not get into that one.

Alot, if not most of RX drivers will only mostly take it to go shopping, pick up kids and the occasional short trip. Handling, acceleration, whatever, you won’t be able to take advantage of much in those situations.
Golfschwein

Oh, hi mate. Hiding behind fancy prose again?
Steve-Poyza

I just think that a lot of you are finding it hard to accept Lexus as becoming one of the major luxury car brands out there. Sure, I prefer Mercedes-Benz or BMW but I still think highly of Lexus. The plus about Lexus as well is the fact that they don’t make smaller cheaper cars like how Merc does the A-Class or the CLC or any of those types. I think those cars really do turn the exclusivity down a notch (why did Merc have to cut costs and use the previous gen C-Class coupé rather than base it on the new car?). Good thing for Lexus is that they have Toyota for that. Haha.

Still, I would take an X5 over this. I don’t think they’re in the same class though, X5 is much larger.
Devil666

Murano, its British build quality that stinks, not European.

Why did Lexus put Camry lights on this thing? To have a premium product take styling cues of a volume seller is terrible marketing.

Finally, a lot of comments here note that the target market don’t care about facts and figures like torque and front suspension setups, they care about small practical details (an example given, fitting 3 child seats across the rear bench of an ML). How about PRICE? This thing should be undercutting the superior competitors. It may be worth $98,900 to some people but it certainly isn’t worth $10,000-$20,000 more than the competition.
Murano

Devil
You are right, British build quality stinks and German build quality ain’t smelling like roses either. Personally, I’ve a litany of problems from driving a Renault, Peugeot, Volvo, BMW and Audi. Now, these are company cars and company policy dictates that we buy European. I’m not picking on European cars but these are real life examples.
On the contrary, I’m not saying Japanese cars have immaculate build quality. Of the 2 Japanese marques I’ve previously owned, they’ve not missed a beat.
So my dear Alex, performance is not the only criteria people look at and beauty is subjective. Loosen up mate. G’day.
o

well to be honest this thing is ugly face it. the side profile line is to low. the headlights go t far down and the projector is to low it needs to be higher in the headlamp. also that center console easily could have come from 1999 i mean look at a Camry looks better than that interior even ssang young can do better than slap a bit of cheap silver trim over a slab of plastic. the X5 looks good, Has a great interior and drives well.If you want a family luxury SUV go for a Q7.
milobob

That’s weird.

I thought the pre 09 models were 5-speed and were call the RX350???

The new one has slightly more power i believe, one more KW??? and a 6-speed?
http://deleted Alex

Murano, you do realise that build quality isn’t the same as reliability don’t you? British build quality is just fine, simple as that. And I have had a lot, and I really do mean a lot, of experience with British cars.
I mean, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Mini, all Jaguars minus the X Type. And I’m sorry if you don’t agree but Land Rover interior build quality is pretty great. Most motoring journalists agree the the Range Rover Vogue has some of the best interior quality in the business and the Sport only just misses out with some of it’s plastics. The Freelander 2 and Discovery 3 are also just fine. Aston Martin, as stated in the reveiws on many websites (including this one, I think), have great build quality also. The only other British cars I can think of are Lotus and they aren’t really meant to be luxurious so we won’t know about them until the Evora comes out.
I’m just saying that your not the only one who’s had experience with brands and you seem to be unlucky with cars but you can’t pin your experiences on other people and say that because you had a bad experience everybody will and that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Franzz

I think the Lexus presents a compelling arguement in terms of practicality and value hence its popularity. Incidentally, the RX 350 sports won a recent comparo by Drive against the ML, X5 and Q7 petrol equivalents.
Wheelnut

Franz, recent you mean 2 years ago ?
Dan

Recent means from 03 to present.
franzz

Wheelnut, recent as 28/3/09
Dan

Oh snap! That’s like, yesterday. Wow! Hear that Wheelnut?
Camski

I have one small big issue with the Q7. That’s size. I’m not debating it’s other credentials, but have you seen how many Q7′s that have a nice side swipe or a wing mirror taken off?

I think some people underestimate the sheer size of this car because it drives so well, it doesn’t feel big and cumbersome. Hence, small carparks (you know the ones i’m talking about, try some of the Sydney City ones or if anyone knows of the Canterbury Leagues Club – Some turns, even in a long wheelbased sedan, you needa shuffle backwards and forwards to get around) with ramps that have metal railing and concrete pillars have that lovely metallic black paint from a Q7 on them =(

Relevance to the topic? Q7 v’s RX, Q7′s a lot bigger to start with and people moving up from a smaller car (possibly sedan/wagon) may not realise the size as opposed to the RX, ML or X5 which are substantially smaller.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Franz that was me asking the question not Wheelnut ,he had been on my computer and I forgot to change names

Sorry Franz I thought you were talking about this thread I read on Friday.

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=42049&vf=1

Interesting to compare the stories different results back then ,but I guess tests will always change with new models being released……………
Tim

ML and Q7 are boring below 100K anyway so no point in them. The X5 is nice, but its a bit too generic for me. The Lexus is good, but the weird looks (both inside and out) put me off and its pretty expensive for what it offers!
Dan

Tim said – “its pretty expensive for what it offers”

It’s cheaper than the copetition, and it packs more equipment than the competition. What do you mean?

Bavaria said – “Franz that was me asking the question not Wheelnut ,he had been on my computer and I forgot to change names”

You guys live together or something?
miniskip

Toyota claim the quality of a car isn’t how its parts come together its how its ideas come together.

So Lets look at what Lexus have put together.. They’ve combined 3 of the current Soft-Roaders available the front end of a Mitsubishi Outlander the profile of a Honda CR-V and the rear end of a Mazda CX-7.. But then take look inside and you find a Ssangyong-esque interior

Which doesn’t exactly exude “Quality” now does it? particularly when you’re paying over $80K.
Dan

LOL! Miniskip, this isn’t a philosophy forum mate…
miniskip

It’s not a philosophy Dan it’s my opinion; a philosophy is more like a theory or a proverb.. like:

“Confuscious say Girl who die a Virgin; sure to get Laid in Coffin”
Dan

Opinion? Let me get this straight. So because of certain wording, you conclude there is no quality? Here’s a little tip for you. Go, check out the car. Drive it. Then have an opinion. So far, your ‘opinion’ is just an invalid and irrelevant piece of philosophy
miniskip

So far, your ‘opinion’ is just an invalid and irrelevant piece of philosophy

Just like yours eh Dan?
Dan

I don’t conclude a car is not a quality car by saying rubbish such as this below:

Miniskip – “Toyota claim the quality of a car isn’t how its parts come together its how its ideas come together. So Lets look at what Lexus have put together.. They’ve combined 3 of the current Soft-Roaders available the front end of a Mitsubishi Outlander the profile of a Honda CR-V and the rear end of a Mazda CX-7.. But then take look inside and you find a Ssangyong-esque interior. Which doesn’t exactly exude “Quality” now does it?”

That my friend, is BS philosophy. If that’s how you base your ‘opinion’ than it is indeed invalid and irrelevant.

You see, I have an opinion about a car after actually EXPERIENCING/DRIVING/OWNING it. That’s the difference between my valuable opinion, and your invalid and irrelevant opinion. Hopefuly that clears up your confusion for you
Tim

Yeah Miniskip, it was pretty stupid to say that lol.
miniskip

Dan Says: You see, I have an opinion about a car after actually EXPERIENCING/DRIVING/OWNING it. That’s the difference between my valuable opinion, and your invalid and irrelevant opinion.”

Aaahh I don’t thinks so Dan… I have read through a number of yor comments on this site and You yourself have bagged the crap out of a number of cars on this site which you have said you wouldn’t even bother test driving etc because they don’t appeal to you like Hyundais or Kias.

Then there are cars that you don’t like just because you belive that they are overpriced and aimed purely at badge snobs etc

You are definitely the “King of Contradictions”

It’s ironic that you remember what others have said on this site but you dont remember what you have said.

But from what you have said its an opinion if it agrees with what is written in “The Book of DAN” but its a philosphy and irrelevant if it doesn’t

BTW: How do you know what I have and havent owned/driven
Dan

Miniskip – “You yourself have bagged the crap out of a number of cars on this site which you have said you wouldn’t even bother test driving etc because they don’t appeal to you like Hyundais or Kias.”

Looks like you are selectively taking my comments out of context to suit you. I’ve driven quite a few Koreans. When I said I wouldn’t bother test driving any at the dealership, I meant that in terms of me going to buy a car. Do you go to test drive a Kenworth truck when you’re merely after a station wagon? Of course not!

Miniskip – “Then there are cars that you don’t like just because you belive that they are overpriced and aimed purely at badge snobs etc”

You’re talking about BMW right? I OWNED one. Oh snap! No contradictions there mate, you fail

If any half intelligent person had driven the RX, they wouldn’t be resorting to philosophy to base their opinion on. Which leads me to conclude you either haven’t driven the RX, or…
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

Dont bother Miniskip,you should have been on this site before Friday when you could still have an opinion,do as I do ignore him!
Dan

Bavaria said – “as I do ignore him”

In other words, no more useless repetitive toyo bashing. I’m glad things are finally getting better around here
Wheelnut

?gnihsab oyoT eb ot deredisnoc eb uoy gnironi nac woH .lla ta esnes on sekam tnemmoc tsal ruoy ni dias uoy tahw – naD

Note I have written the above sentence in reverse as Dan has a habit od switching/turning things around etc
Dan

Alright, let’s see.

Lexus is the best car brand in the world. It beats the rest hands down in terms of quality, reliability, durability, value, service, ownership satisfaction, prestige, status. It is a world leader, where all aspire to be like Lexus. In its relatively short lifespan, it has not only caught up to the tough competition, but surpassed them in all aspects!

Discuss
Dan

Oops, sorry. No need to discuss the FACTS Carry on admiring the RX folks, carry on
Wheelnut

Oh I get it by ignoring you; you think that that will somehow stop the Toyo-bashing..

I don’t think so because regardless of what you think or what you want us to think there will always be a considerable number of people on here who don’t particularly like Toyotas or Lexus.. and in most cases they will probably have justifiable grounds on which to base their opinions – [like I do] possibly because they have owned/driven a Toyota/Lexus that wasn’t what they expected in terms off reliability etc.. or they had a bad experience with a Toyota dealer [customer service].. Because as they say you don’t get a second chance to make a first impression.
Dan

Given that the ‘considerable’ number are the Usual Suspects, I’d say your definition of ‘considerable’ differs greatly to mine.
Wheelnut

Dan says: Lexus is the best car brand in the world. It beats the rest hands down in terms of quality, reliability, durability, value, service, ownership satisfaction, prestige, status.
It is a world leader, where all aspire to be like Lexus. In its relatively short lifespan, it has not only caught up to the tough competition, but surpassed them in all aspects!

Dan I believe the latest customer survey from the USA [which covered a number of the areas you mentioned] would dispute your claims as Toyota and Lexus both got beaten by Jaguar and Buick.
Bavarian Missile (.)(.)

*Drags Wheelnut away from computer*

http://www.caradvice.com.au Matt

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