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Export sales of the Holden Commodore to the United States could be less than 2000, according to the marketing manager responsible for the model that will become the Chevrolet SS.

Holden insiders told CarAdvice last year it was planning to ship a few thousand Commodores to North America annually and admitted it was only “a limited production derivative”, but Chevrolet has revealed only 900 SS models will be shipped initially from Australia for the December on-sale.

The company’s marketing manager for performance cars that include the Chevrolet SS (pictured), Corvette and Camaro, John Fitzpatrick, agreed 1700-2000 SS sales would be sufficient to deem the model a success when asked by Edmunds.com.

“If you look at [the SS’s] competitors, it’s going up against the Dodge Charger SRT8, the Chrysler 300 SRT8 and the Ford Taurus SHO,” he told Edmunds. “If you look at how many cars are in that segment, it is only about 3,000-5,000 cars for the entire calendar year.

“We don’t have expectations that the car is going to set up a whole new segment but we do expect to do very well against those competitors,” Fitzpatrick said. He was interviewed at a press event in California.”

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About half of the US brand’s 3000 dealers will sell the rebadged Commodore which goes on sale in December, becoming the first V8-powered, rear-wheel-drive Chevy in 16 years.

Priority being given to those already selling fellow niche models the Corvette and the Camaro that’s based on Commodore underpinnings.

Fitzpatrick said about 900 Chevrolet SS models would be on the first shipment from Holden.

The news isn’t ideal for Holden after Tony Abbott, prior to being elected prime minister, said it was vital the local car maker established a credible export program if the Coalition government were to consider further financial assistance.

“We would certainly be prepared to look at further generous assistance but we’d want to make sure, and this is very important, that Holden had credible plans to reduce their cost of production and to boost their volumes and the only way to boost their volumes is to have a serious export strategy,” Abbot said.

Holden’s previous export program to the US was much more ambitious, with a planned 30,000 annual volume for the last-generation Commodore that became a rebadged Pontiac called the G8 in 2008.

The program ended prematurely, however, when General Motors axed the Pontiac brand in early 2009.

 


  • Think about this

    Another nail in the Holden coffin. Sorry Holden girls out there

    • guest

      The sooner it is gone the sooner you’ll be driving a wonderful Hyundai. Because Mr BMW sure doesn’t want you muddying his brand.

      • Arrow

        Hyundai or BMW either way is better than a Holden.

        • Andy Whitby

          Have you owned a BMW lately ? Over priced unreliable nice driving cars that cost a bucket load to service and are near impossible to sell second hand and have worse resale then a Commodore.

          My mother and I both bought new cars at the same time, a Certified used SSV for me and a Certified used 320i for her. My Commodore is yet to have gone in for any repairs. The 320i on the other hand, new gearbox, both headlamps replaced, the navigation centre stack replaced. Then they found reason to void the warranty $1200 to have a door handle replaced. The ‘soft touch’ coating on the steering wheel has worn off, the airbag cover has a crack in it. I could go on for ages, needless to say both cars are the same age (4) and have been garaged and are looked after.
          Also have you thought about what happens when the locals stop manufacturing here ? Oh well we don’t need to compete with cheaper locally produced cars anymore, hello to a $40k Mazda 3.

          • jsfjh

            Do you top up the oil every week in your Commodore?

            Recent BMW’s do seem to be recording quite a few problems (my ’88 model however was exceptionally reliable) but recent Commodores are also filled with problems. Atrocious oil consumption (and fuel consumption) plus coil pack failures, thermostat failures, head gaskets etc.
            You must surely be aware of some of these if you’re a Commodore fan. After my parents 07 Commodore suffered from a string of breakdowns, I researched the problems and found a wealth of information on Commodore fan sites about coil pack failures, overheating and oil consumption. It seems these issues and many more are pretty common.

            Of course you would be aware of the 170-190KW V6 Commodore engines which somehow manage to perform like a 120KW Camry yet suck fuel like a 380KW BMW M5.

            As for BMW vs Holden resale, I was interested in getting a early Z4 a few years back. The entry level Z4 models from around 03/04 cost about $78K new whilst a Caprice V8 was $72K.

            Now you’ll find the early entry level Z4s asking around $20K and the Caprices languishing in the car yards at about $8K. Do the maths and you’ll find the BMW comes out well ahead on resale. Of course roadster tent to depreciate slower than sedans, but look at the 2003 BMW 325i – which was about $68K new – and you’ll still find they ask higher prices today than a Caprice does.

          • Andy Whitby

            No I change it every time at it’s service, the cardboard is under the BMW so the oil doesn’t get on the floor.

            I am well aware of the fact that there are issues with both cars, but I feel that it would be more forgivable in a car that is $50 rather then $150k.
            If we are going to compare resale values, lets do it on mainstream model, like for like and they are both 60, comparing a 550i to an SSV. I just couldn’t accept loosing the value of my Commodore when I drove the BMW that doesn’t (these days) offer much more then my Commodore.

            Model level for model level there isn’t much that the German’s can do that a Commodore can’t.

          • The Expert

            You bought a Commodore? That’s pathetic lol

          • Andy Whitby

            Your pathetic. That is a childish statement, what is wrong with a Commodore ?
            The cheap and reliable (easy to maintain) RWD V8 performance ?
            The acceptable quality for price interior ?
            The wide reaching Holden service network ?
            The convenience of having 5 seats, a large boat and freedom to tow a lot.
            The fact that is powerful and nice to drive ?

            I could go on all day, but please explain to what is pathetic about my car and not yours ? Besides your opinion ?
            Grow up and let the adults have a grown up discussion yea ?

          • Daniel D

            Someone vain enough to call themselves ‘The Expert’ I think is more along the lines of pathetic.

          • yambahoo

            Wow, your mum paid $150K for a 320i? Geez, what sort of options did she get?

          • ksthk

            Well the 320i starts at $59K and even if you ticked every possible option, you couldn’t get it to $150K.
            So I’m guessing it’s the SS-V that cost $150K – because apparently his one comes with “a large boat”.

          • Andy Whitby

            Read my above reply top yambahoo, and stop being a douche.

          • Andy Whitby

            Well, I was actually comparing (price and therefore, resale) With the equivalent V8 5 series BMW. That way it would (currently) be a fair comparison of technology, drive train and size.
            I even said that I was comparing with a 550i.

        • johno

          hyundai are horrible cars

    • Lyell Creek

      Think about this……..I did & yeah spot on. LMAO

    • Fairlane

      I tihnk the sadest part of the story is a the Aussie car death riders putting the boot into Australian manufacturing going under.
      The amount of bitter sniping comments is really astounding,whether it be Commodore or Falcon.
      I doubt Opel got as many bad comments when they decided to pack up and leave
      Pull your heads in you nuffs

  • m1n1s1n

    Wow it’s over before it even started

  • MisterZed

    All Chevy dealers in the US sell the Camaro, and almost all also sell the Corvette. They’re not niche products at all.

    • Andy Whitby

      In the US market, they are considered niche, compared to you know a Impala, Malibu or Cruze.

  • Hung Low

    Question is, with those lowly numbers, how do they sell it cheaper than here? So much for the economies of scale theory.

    • Karl Sass

      Slimmer margins at both Holden’s and the dealer’s end I assume?

      • $29896495

        It just show the actual profit margin in the car. This has been in the US mags for as long as they’ve been talking about it going over there. Build to order is another term. If you look at Abbott’s plans he intends to remove funding from Holden anyway. So it’s tah tah Holden.

        • Karl Sass

          So which one is it? Are they making huge profits from the car or are they not profitable? Can’t be both, your conspiracy theory doesn’t add up.

          • $29896495

            I don’t know what you are worried about it’s over for Holden. I reported accurately what the US mags wrote, infact I did at the time as well. Look. If this thing really wasn’t profitable, they would have pulled the plug ages ago. Commonsense and GM aren’t shy about doing that. You have to remember that everything is internal, so they sell to themselves. The profitable engine business was split off. So, one part of the company produces drive trains, then the other part has to buy them from that part. this creates a loss. the size of the loss is dictated by the company. Just about every bit of the car that’s in house works the same way. The engine business creates it’s loss through raw materials etc. All areas carry a loss in respect to set up. All these figures are going around in a big circle.

            Back to the point, if they were making a loss, do you really think a mercenary company like GM would stay one second longer than it wanted to. The answer is no.

            ANd it’s not a conspiracy theory, just take a loo at how GM is set up. As I described above. Tah tah Holden.

          • Andy Whitby

            The are staying, because they know with out local manufacturing and the Holden brand awareness GM is all but dead in this country. Commodore and Cruze make up over half of Holden’s sales. GM would go instantly from 100l+ sales a year to 50k.

          • $29896495

            And what is different about what you wrote to what I wrote. Comes down to money. Doesn’t matter what they say, the dollar rules. As long as they are making their unpublished profit targets they stay. The moment they loose money they go. The point of taking Opel away the way they did. Now the interesting fly in the mix is the Lib Gov. If assistance is taken away, will they stay? If they do, It indicates they are profitable without Gov money, and all that it implies. (Do you understand what I wrote?)

          • Andy Whitby

            I was attempting to high light that even thought Holden is loosing money on their locals, they make money on their imports. IMO Holden is reliant on local manufacturing to make GM competitive and successful in Australia. huttm, if you were saying this, you were going about it an around about sort of way, no offense.
            On the Opel side of things, I believe that it was all media spin. I reckon that there will be a clause in any future funding, that there can only be one GM subsidiary in Australia if they want assistance, or if more then one they must be under direct Holden control.

          • $29896495

            No it’s not don’t be silly. If Gm were really loosing money they would be out of here so fast your head would spin. There s media spin in the Opel departure created by the mother company. like I wrote above, why would a car company or any company with increasing sales pull out. Why would they pull out virtually the same week Holden goes to the Gov. demanding money. That’s what you need to be thinking about.

          • Karl Sass

            One curious trait of humanity is how people twist and cherry pick facts to suit a predetermined outlook. Your comment was a fine example of that. You made a range of points, such as GM keeping Holden open only which is common sense, not sure why you even wrote it. We also agree that there are different divisions to the company, that’s not where your conspiracy lies.

            More interestingly, you wrote that they are making a huge profit margin. You then said they’re not making any profit and will go broke if Abbott removes funding. Which one is it? If they are making the margins you say they are, GM won’t shut down a profitable business. If they aren’t profitable, then you’re wrong about Holden making huge margins.

            You also got your facts wrong, Abbott is withdrawing *some* funding, not all. But that won’t matter if you’re correct because they’re making huge margins?? Or are they?

          • $29896495

            Your reading comprehension needs work! As does your incoherent reply. I don’t know why you can’t understand I was quite clear.

            Firstly you miss use conspiracy – there is none. It’s called tax evasion if you haven’t worked it out and GM are in US courts all the time for it. Here the same principle is used to suck money from the government.

            QUOTE – “More interestingly you wrote that they make huge margins…” COMPLETELY UNTRUE. I did not right that. You tell me which one it is I’ve explained what’s going on – which one is it.

            You’re so busy defending your fav brand you aren’t thinking. NO wrong about Abott. I posted the liberal party agenda the other day. It’s a copy and past job. All you have to do is find it. It states every change they intend to make from A to Z.

            I know you posted on the story so it would have been sent through to you, all you have to do is find it. OH! And read it.

            So GM are capitalist America. Do you understand what that means? Do you understand what capitalists do when they run at a loss?

          • Karl Sass

            That is the most ironic thing I’ve ever read. You still fail to answer the question, or comprehend it. I just wrote that we are in complete agreement that if it was losing money it would have closed. Yet you write silly things like “Do you understand what capitalists do when they run at a loss?” After we were in complete agreement over the very obvious answer. Now who needs their comprehension skills tested?

            They can’t make money from the driveline if there are no cars to put them into. Therefore Holden is required to make those cars to allow the other vehicle component portions of the business to be profitable. So why would a profitable business close, even without money from Abbott? Either Holden won’t close or it’s not profitable. Answer it, it can’t be both.

            What article did you post this paste and copy you speak of?

          • $29896495

            Again you miss used the word irony. Which is irony in itself. I’m not explaining it again. I did answer all pertinent questions that made sense. I suggest you go back and read again and sit down and think about it. The answer are right in front of you, all you have to do is see them. READ IT AGAIN and think about it. Sleep on it. By the morning it might come to you.

          • Karl Sass

            You’re still not answering the question because it would require you to think rationally. You didn’t even come close. There’s no reasoning with a conspiracy theorist.

          • $29896495

            There is no conspiracy, there is a certain amount of stupidity from your side. But one more go. It’s how GM does business. It according to the US government equates to tax evasion. they cook the books. By buying internally, each division runs at a loss – to the outside world – but not internally. How do you think they suddenly came up with billions without borrowing, to buy themselves back from the US gov, yet also said most divisions were running at a loss and the US arm was just breaking even? The same methodology is used here, to say to the Aus public and the Gov. that they are running at a loss. Which means as a capitalist company, they should have upped sticks years ago. If it were true. As for the engine plant, they also export engine blocks or did. but they have other plants, it’s just a cog in a wheel. So I doubt they would have any miss givings if they closed it. More likely though would be they do like Ford and try and keep some part of the company open here so they get the tax breaks and incentives It all depends how Ford go in the long term I would think. If things turn around for Ford, Holden will go, and follow their plan. What would be more interesting is to see their real books. SO you get the picture, it’s like a daisy chain. each part making a loss at the expense of the previous part, where it gets interesting is how they come up with the numbers.

    • NarpasSword

      Speaking of which (although it’s a pious hope) does anyone here know just what the profit margin for GM on the Chevrolet SS is in comparison to the Holden Commodore? Either the SS is being sold with thin margins or Australians are being screwed with Commodore pricing, even with the recent cut in (official) RRP.

    • jk-90

      They sell it for more here to _cut_ demand ?

      Anyway, prices are set at what people will pay, not on “value”.

  • barry

    Not good news.But after a few are sold the word will spread around and hopefully the volumes improve,2000 is just for starters.

    • jsfhj

      Commodore was there before for some years and despite a a sale price thousands below ours, it still sold poorly and was dropped. Since then, the USA market has moved even further away from full sized 6/8 cylinder sedans.

      • Andy Whitby

        It wasn’t dropped, Pontiac was dropped, Commodore was rebadged as a Pontiac, no where to sell it. They sold enough of them for it to be worth while.

        • dhj

          They could’ve sold it from other brands within GM but if you’ve bothered to research the Pontiac GTO/G8 sales, you’d find it sold well below expectations.
          At the time Pontiac was dropped, GM was desperate for money, they’d have kept USA commodore if it was worthwhile.

          • Andy Whitby

            However my point was it wasn’t dropped, like your said. They couldn’t sell it there again until the next generation, they couldn’t just wack another badge on the front of it, that would have been a marketing disaster. I am well aware that it didn’t meet Pontiac’s sales target, however it was a success for a Holden, exporting 40k units, so like I said it was a worthwhile exercise.

          • $29896495

            You’re right, they were considered a flop by GM and is reported as such, by US publications. They had masses of Aussie cars sitting on lots not selling until massive discounts started.

          • Andy Whitby

            However, still considered a success by Holden, as they were paid for the cars when they left the factory.
            Everyone conveniently forget that they were a performance car, and that it was in the middle of the GFC, America’s economy collapsed, as did it’s new car market, no was buying any cars, GM was about to declare bankruptcy … to sell 40k+ was an exceptional feat, and doubled Holden’s production, and by that time VE was a cash cow, as it was paid off.

            Holden’s all time production record was set during their Pontiac exports I believe.

          • $29896495

            The previous car wasn’t a performance car. Prior to that you had the Monaro, Which also languished on the car yard lots forcing prices down.

          • Andy Whitby

            G8 not a performance car ? It was based on the SS-V Commodore and the G8-GXP based on the Clubsport R8, I don’t know you, but I would call them performance cars/sedan. You know, in account of their sports suspension, V8 engine, sports tuned ESP and the fact they sub 6 second 0-100km/h times.

            Please enlighten me to as how the G8 wasn’t a performance car, it was marketed as one, and regarded by motoring journalists to be one and was marketed against them.

          • kg

            huwtn has this weird idea that cars with 4 doors are slow, heavy and ugly. But cars with two doors are the opposite – even if they are exactly the same car but with two doors cut in instead of four.

          • $29896495

            Put your holden blinkers away and reread what I wrote. I Never wrote any such thing. But the fact that you seem to think it would indicate that it’s really your belief. Now wouldn’t it. (Cars with two doors are better, I agree with that. But again didn’t write it till I agreed with you)

          • $29896495

            It simply wasn’t. It was designed to fit in the line up as the big car. How hard is that to understand. It had similar looks to all the cars in the line up and size wise sat pretty much at the top. You letting your Holden frenzy over overtake you. It doesn’t matter what we called it, it matters where it was in the group of cars over there.

          • Andy Whitby

            Well I think what matter is the type car it is, and was designed to be, a sports performance sedan. Not where it sits in the line up. Using your logic, A Bently or Range Rover can’t be a performance car, which my friend couldn’t be further from the truth.

          • $29896495

            I can’t understand what you typed. A Commodore/G8 isn’t a Bentley. Holden coloured glasses again. it went from memory, G4, G6, G8. Nothing special, even if you want to feel that it wasn’t. It was a sedan. Size wise fitting in at the top of the line up. Not at all complicated.

          • Andy Whitby

            Size doesn’t dictate performance, your implying that the larger the car, or higher in the line up the less performance oriented it will be. I didn’t say a Bently was a Holden, it was clearly written, I was using Bentlys and Range Rovers as example, large, 4 door performance cars. ALSO PONTIAC WAS GMs PERFORMANCE ARM, THE CAR WAS A V8 PERFORMANCE SEDAN. Please explain to how it isn’t a performance car and enlighten me to as your opinion on what a performance car is. Also show me your motoring credentials that allow you to opine differently from most motoring journalists when it comes to the GM Zeta platform’s performance credentials.

          • Chad

            2004 they set there production record.Back when they made decent cars and had much better management .

          • Mark

            And you’ll find that the majority of those cars were 6 cylinders laying about on the lots. V8′s sold pretty well and the GXP allocation sold out in a matter of days of announcement of the model. The only thing that was a flop was the Pontiac brand.
            The GTO was a slightly different story yes it was more a case of the right car, wrong name and a next to useless marketing department as they didn’t know how to actually treat the car for marketing purposes.
            Conversely the Monaro/GTO program was a resounding success for Holden though. Holden only ever planned to build about 12 to 15 thousand over three model years. Hence the high Aussie price. The GTO was a bit of a bonus as it added larger volume to the coupe line with total number of coupes built totalling north of 50 thousand. Giving the coupe an extra 3 years of production on top of the fact that the body had to be put together off the production line by hand utilising jigs before being added to the line.

          • Mark

            Not entirely accurate. For GM to have immediately turned around and sold it as a Chevrolet or Buick, would have brought about lawsuits from Buick dealers as there are laws in place regarding product from dead brands.
            I think IIRC it is something to do with franchise laws.
            The only way to rebadge it is to significantly update the car to make it different enough. There is a percentage of the vehicle which must be changed to allow a car to be reborn into another brand/division.

          • Daniel D

            The car was a sleeper. Positive word about it started to travel about the car, but by then Pontiac was dead and G8 with it. I listened recently to a podcast where the G8 was listed as a future American collectible.

            Many are aware the SS is the same car, but improved and it should do well enough. The only problem for the car is the Chev styling has not been well received in the US.

  • Zaccy16

    If Americans are going to by a commodore than the VF should be the one, finally aaussie made holden we are proud to showcase to America what we can do

    • marc

      ..assembling an American drivetrain/gearbox

      • Igomi Watabi

        Is that really all you’ve got, marc? You know, some people on here should learn that you don’t have to bag everything.

        • marc

          ..the commodore has an American engine and gearbox. Just highlighting the facts Ignorant Wasabe boy.

          • Daniel D

            Pick your favourite brand and model of car and name five countries who supplied parts or materials for it.

            Hint. Try any brand and any model you like. You will come up with at least five.

    • hsg

      Who’s proud? I’m Australian and I’m not proud of Commodore. You’re living in Australia Zaccy, but not proud enough to buy a Commodore – in fact you own imported Mazda/VWs right?

      Judging by the dwindling sales, few Australians are proud enough to actually hand over their money for one. Why would they be proud anyway, it’s not a Australian company.

      • Andy Whitby

        Because it’s designed and manufactured by Australians. Commodore is just as Australian as Vegimite.

        • marc

          Vegimite is owned by Kraft (Chicago, USA).

          • Karl Sass

            That’s preciously his point. Invented and made here but foreign owned.

        • dj

          It is not the same as Vegemite. Both may be owned by the Yanks but the origin of Vegemite is far more Australian than the Commodore is.

          Commodore was concocted by a foreign owned [GM] company using a foreign design [Opel Rekford/Senator] with some local input resulting in a mishmash of foreign designed/made components and local content – but mainly foreign.
          Take a colleague of mine’s 2002 Commodore S. It’s from a USA owned
          company, the chassis design and some of the bodywork is from a 1980s
          Opel, the gearbox is from a 1980s BMW and made in Germany, the engine design is from a 1980s Buick and the V8 engine option was fully imported from the USA.
          Your SSV Commodore for instance is powered by a USA designed and manufactured engine. All the Australias do with it is dump it under the bonnet.

          • Andy Whitby

            The VE Commodore, yes uses component from else where in the GM empire, but it’s called Globalisation, they need to do to stay competitive.

            The VE Commodore, was designed here from the word Go, clean sheet, from the ground up. 100% designed by Holden.
            The VT, a $600 million investment, was based upon up the Opel B, a car released in 1994, once Holden had finished reengineering the car there were only 2 interchange components, the black piece of plastic between the front and back windows, and the exterior door handles. The V6 was a GM global engine produced here. Holden produces engines for Alfa Romeo, Saab (did), Izuzu, Cadillac, Chevrolet, them selves and a lot of V6 boat engines.
            The VN generation was similar to the VT generation, just no as localised.
            As for the original Commodore, once again it was widened, had different suspension and only shared common door handles, and doors, nothing else was interchangeable.
            So yes, I would argue the Commodore is Australian. I would also never dare to suggest to a Holden engineer all they do is stick an engine in it. That is offense to the Australians who design and engineer them, implying that they are not capable. When clearly they are, at it’s release the VE Commodore was said to be more capable in ride and handling then any current BMW.

          • sjh

            How can it be 100 % designed by Holden when the drive train design and various other components came from overseas? You think the drivetrain accounts for 0% of the design in a car? It’s a fair bit more significant than a door handle, I’d say it counts for about 30%.
            Tell me, how far will your “100% Australian” SSV Commodore drive without the foreign designed and manufactured engine? Engine wise, all the Australian engineers did for the SS is stick it under the bonnet. They did not design the engine, they do not manufacturer the engine so why should they take offence to merely installing it?

            There certainly is a implication that the Australian designers aren’t capable. Look at what they’ve designed, something that is predicted to sell no more than 2000 units pa in the USA – in a market of what, 20,000,000 million cars?

          • Andy Whitby

            The engine, is calibrated to work with our ecu, electronics and the like. You just can’t dump the any old engine in and hope it works. Ehhh do you not understand niche export ? Relatively speaking then by your argument a Ferrari must be a terrible car because they don’t even sell 100 of them here in our market of 1 million cars per annum. Your argument is flawed and you obviously don’t understand what the program was all about, the Chevrolet SS was always going to be a top of the line niche vehicle, never intended to sell more then thousands per annum. Not to mention its an entirely new brand in a new market, if predictions are right, on model will sell more then infinity’s hole range here this year.

          • $29896495

            Actually your number is wrong. At first they said 30,000 cars. But subsequently reduced and reduced. US motoring press are saying that the car will be built to order which means basically, these cars are demos for people to get touchy feely with. So time will tell how many orders come in. But also ECU programing does not an engine make.

          • Andy Whitby

            No,
            I am not wrong, there was never a number mentioned, and it was always said to
            be limited to a few thousand, bur please go right ahead and show me evidence to
            contrary. Also your clutching at straws with the engine thing, its the V8, the
            V6, which is GMs global V6 is designed and produced here in different
            capacities. How is that you can be so unaustralian to not even let the workers
            and engineers have the pride they deserve for fully designing, engineering and
            producing what this time around is truly a world class car.
            Also why is that you can’t actually back up your claims, you just keep throwing different (untrue) statements at me ?

          • $29896495

            Sorry what?Don’t be silly, of course you are wrong. But, be that as it may. Don’t just say I’m wrong, prove it. I believe some one else made a relevant comment. But what the hey, go for it. Don’t forget to cross reference, and stay on unbiased sites which will give you honest information. I welcome your input.

          • $29896495

            Don’t be silly. Of course you are wrong. See, I have no bias either way with Holden. I don’t like some of their business practices but, hey that’s looking at with uncoloured eyes. By the way, did you notice the other comment which seem pretty right to me. You know the one about V6s etc. Look, I’m happy for you to prove me wrong. Now I wrote”PROVE”! It’s no good just telling me I’m wrong, that means nothing. I suggest you look at independent sites, also wikki and see what you come up with. Happy to see your input. Good luck.

          • Andy Whitby

            No, I am not wrong, there was never a number mentioned, and it was always said to be limited to a few thousand, bur please go right ahead and show me evidence to contrary.Also you and who ever else wants say that using an engine from your parent company’s catalogue is not designing a car is clutching at straws. I would actually argue that it’s sound business sense to use an engine that is readily available, known to be reliable as you don’t have to fork out R&D money do you?

            Besides the V8 only makes up about a 1/4 of Commodore volume, the
            V6, which is GMs global V6 is designed and produced here in different
            capacities and exported to be used in other GM vehicles around he world, makes up about 3/4 of Commodore volume, so the argument is flawed anyway.

            How is that you can be so unaustralian to not even let the workers
            and engineers have the pride they deserve for fully designing, engineering and
            producing what this time around is truly a world class car.

            Also my opinion is far from biased, I get information from many sites including, Australian auto publications on and off line. GM inside news and Ford inside news to name a few. It’s also cute of you to ask me to prove my arguments, after I asked you “Also why is that you can’t actually back up your claims, you just keep throwing different (untrue) statements at me ?” I’ll be happy to provide evidence to contrary of anything that you provide. These lavish sales figure are media spin for Joshua Dowling on his quest to rid Australia of an auto industry.

          • $29896495

            WTF are you going on about? Your opinion is so biased you don’t even know how biased it is! V6 Australian designed – interesting theory. You are simply out of control. Where did you prove anything. Just YOUR opinion isn’t proof. I’m not going to do your work for you, it’s your point prove it.

          • Daniel D

            You are really trying to twist things to fit an argument. Of course the Commodore has US sourced components. The V8 is actually manufactured in Mexico. The transmission is US sourced for the V8′s. In the six its Australian for the engine, US for the auto and Japanese for the manual. Software for the auto was done in Australia as was the engine tune for the V8. The car also has Toyota parts in it and some parts common to Fords and other makes if you know where to look. As far as countries are concerned I am aware of parts contributed by Indonesia and China and at least two European countries contributed IP in developing the car.

            Guess what, when it comes to parts from multiple suppliers and countries, so does the BMW, Mercedes, Ford or any other brand you care to mention. Heck some euros have had Australian made parts in them – including BMW and two other brands I can think of. Globilisation of cars has been going on for a while now. You need to read something about it.

            If you think engineers can just slap all this together like some kind of lego set, you clearly know nothing about engineering. It takes literally years to get all of these different suppliers and components to work together and make a world class car – which the VF Commodore is. That part was done by Australians much prouder of their contribution then you are of your country.

      • Zaccy16

        i have said this again and again a require a wagon and i don’t like the look of the back of the commodore wagon and ford don’t make a falcon wagon so i am looking at buying the new mazda 6 wagon to replace my 2005 model

        • flkg

          So you are proud that we make a Commodore that is too ugly for you to buy? Why would you want to showcase it to the USA when you think it is too ugly to buy?

          • Zaccy16

            i don’t think the sedan is ugly, i think the new VF sedan is the best looking commodore every built

        • $29896495

          Why don’t you get a Territory?

          • jst

            Too thirsty apparently.

            So Territory is too thirsty, Falcon doesn’t meet his wagon requirements, Commodore sedan doesn’t meet his wagon requirements and Sportwagon is too ugly.

            So his money goes to a imported car yet again. But he tells us we should be proud of the Australian cars he won’t buy?

          • $29896495

            well no other country will buy them either. Just to mention the reduced numbers are partly due to the fact that even in the USA they are backing away from big cars. Plus the car was reviewed as a rehash and they aren’t expecting many sales for that reason.

          • Zaccy16

            i used to own a petrol 2005 territory and it was a great car, it had effortless performance, good handling for a 2 tonne car and was practical but i sold that because of the fuel consumption and i never really liked the high driving position, also the 7 seats were good but only used very occasionaly, i have considered a new diesel territory but i don’t need 7 seats and i like the lower more sporty driving position, thats why a falcon wagon with a ecoboost engine or eco lpi engine in G6E trim would be the perfect family car! (ignoring fuel efficiency i would love a XR6 Turbo or g6E turbo wagon!

        • Jim

          That is incredibly disappointing. It really is mate. From what I’ve gathered you live in Geelong, so you obviously know people that work for Ford that will lose their jobs. And you’ll see the town suffer because of it. It’s fine, Ford don’t build a car that suits your needs, that’s not problem. So rather than try to help out people in a similar situation when you are in a position to you don’t and instead want to buy an import. Just buy a Commodore for God’s sake, don’t follow the Mazda bandwagon that going at the moment.

          • Zaccy16

            Its very sad for geelong, i know lots of people that have worked at ford all there lives and are going to lose their jobs, my current mazda 6 has been a great car and the new gen is even better so it makes sense to upgrade

          • hs

            Why is it sad? They’re making a product no one wants. The workers don’t even want it themselves – have you ever looked in the staff carpark at Ford? It’s full of imported cars (just like your driveway).
            It’s not like the workers haven’t had any warning either. Sales have been plunging for about a decade now and they’ve got another 3 years to find a job. Why not feel sad to people who lose their jobs in a instant rather than those who get half a working lifetime to find a new job?

          • Zaccy16

            It is sad because ford has been a huge part of geelong for nearly 90 years! since i was a kid i remember i new we were nearly home from a trip to melbourne in my fathers falcon when we saw the huge blue oval sign!

      • Jim

        I cannot stand hearing this same nonsense. It IS an Australian company. It is NOT debatable. It is American OWNED. Big difference. It is completely run in Australia.. The sales are no doubt lower than they once were, but third best selling passenger car last month as well as the Cruze in 4th-5th doesn’t seem to me to be that bad.

        • wj

          Holden is just a Australian department for GM.Lots of foreign owned companies have Australian deparments. It does not make the company Australian.

          Holden is not completely run in Australia. The boss of Holden answers to GM HQ in Detroit.
          You’ve been conned by the adds.

  • Clutter

    A few more years and Holden will be no more…..

    • Fairlane

      And if the aussie dollar drops more you might find that alot of other car companys will be no more in Australia aswell

  • Poison_Eagle

    Stupid strategy just calling it SS, not introducing a V6. Would a drop in the AUD mean they could price it lower?

    • $29896495

      You’ve got to remember it’s internal GM, they could price it anyway they wanted.

  • Shak

    It’s still better than no sales at all. It’s more than likely a test run to see how well a big RWD sedan can do in the Chevy line up. If this SS sells out then GM may just give the Commodore a prolonged lease on life and move it over to the Alpha platform. That way NA can have an Alpha made in the US, and we can keep our Commodore on a next gen global platform.

  • Tom

    And the negative speculation from the media continues. Can we just wait until order numbers/sales figures come out? They’ve said that selling 2000 cars wouldn’t be considered a failure, that’s all. It goes on-sale in December, and I guarantee that those 900 will sell out immediately. Tony Abbott also has to realise that the reason the exports are small is due to the high dollar. If it goes down low enough, the markets will open up exponentially. Fun fact: Commodore and Caprice were two of the best selling models in Saudi Arabia a couple of years ago, generating around 20000 extra sales a year for Holden.

    • gtrxuone

      Interesting fact Tom.My guess is the high AU$ put an end to the Saudi exports.With our interest rates at historical lows and the rest of the world In economic recovery.The AU$ should go back to historical levels.

      • mfj

        The Saudi exports haven’t ended, Caprice is still for sale in the middle east but the arabs seem to be more interested in the Camry.

  • The Expert

    Less Than 2000? Thats Pathetic Lol

  • JJ

    Well the Americans are quite stupid, but not stupid enough to buy bogan.

  • End of an road for Falcodore

    So Holden does really mean a great deal to Australia……….

    • jhdgh

      ..but even better deals if you buy the Holden in the USA.

  • Aus_poppa

    The initial shipment of 900 means that very few of the 3000 odd US Chevrolet dealers will be selling the SS – given that they need one showroom/demonstrator each before a single one gets delivered to a customer.

    In fact GM US may want to develop a sense of exclusivity, and the appropriate price premium.

    Sadly, it looks like a repeat of the US Police Car project. Enough sales for it to make a small difference here, but not essential to GM US. They will probably sell about 10 police spec Chevrolet Tahoes for every Caprice PPV.

    • NarpasSword

      I think GM don’t want to import Chevrolet Caprices and SS’ into the US for two reasons:
      1) It is cheaper to build cars in the US than importing them from Australia
      2) The SS and Caprice weren’t developed ‘in America’. It’s a similar reason why Ford was never interested in the Australian Falcons (notwithstanding that they weren’t developed for LHD markets).

      • dh

        If you actually go to the USA, you’ll find they buy plenty of cars not developed ‘in America’.

  • localocal

    holden exporting 900 cars, its a good start. hopefully it gets positive reviews and gain a bigger piece of the pie

    • Ted

      Hope they [Holden] go under.

      • Daniel D

        Hope you are in a room full of Holden employees the next time you say that.

  • Dennis

    Not sure what the bad news is about.

    Holden just started production of the Chevy spec’d SS.

    And it’s 900 Units in the FIRST shipment… They will sell out quickly

    Jeez…

  • Pup

    “…becoming the first V8-powered, rear-wheel-drive Chevy in 16 years”

    What?

    • Phil

      shhh, don’t mention the Corvette. Or the Silverado. Or Tahoe…

    • Dennis

      Sedan…

  • Rocket

    So is GM capping the sales at 2000 or do they think the American public wont buy it? Which one is it?

    • Daniel D

      You don’t think there could be a third option, because a journalist didn’t put it in front of you?

      • Rocket

        No. What do you think the 3rd option is?

    • lf

      2000 is what they think they can sell based on the numbers sold by the competitors. It’s not a “cap”. Read the article!

      • Rocket

        Selling way less than their competitors tells me the car is either not as good or GM want to keep numbers low. Either way it will cost taxpayers money again………

        • hsg

          I said to read the article.

          Where in the article does it say it will sell less than competitors?

          The article says the segment sells 3000-5000 a year and the segment includes Dodge Charger SRT8, the Chrysler 300 SRT8 and the Ford Taurus SHO.
          So if GM did sell 2000 SSs in that segment, that is a huge 40%-70% of the segment..

  • Tone

    I wonder how many of these will end up with the Chev badges removed and replaced with Holden badges …

    • marc

      ..some Holden punters here will pay more for Chevy badges.

    • jsh

      Holden has no meaning to Yanks so I doubt they’d want the badge.

      However, the last time Chevrolet was selling cars in Australia, they were flogging big V8 tanks. The Aussie bogans seem to have that image stuck in their minds without realising that modern Chevrolet is selling old Daewoo econoboxs.

      • Shak

        Most enthusiasts who bought a G8 knew exactly where it came from and who made it. Browse through any Chevy SS or Pontiac G8 forums and you’ll see most GM US fans admit Holden in Australia are GM’s RWD experts and make the best sedans in their empire. Many enthusiasts know about Holden and they are glad to have the option to buy cars from them.