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Toyota 86 Review

TOYOTA 86

Pros: Sublime balance; good performance; stunning value; racer-friendly design touches; looks cool

Cons: Harsh ride on the road (GTS); engine note could be more exciting; limited boot space

By James Stanford |
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Price: $29,990 to $35,490

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Yes, the Toyota 86 is as good as you dared to dream it would be.

It’s a sublime driver’s car that handles beautifully, responds to your every input and is damn quick too.

The incredible $29,990 price point ensures the 86 will change the way an entire generation thinks about Toyota.

Think I’m over-doing it? Go drive one see if you still have any doubts. It is that good.

Toyota was so confident about the capabilities of the Toyota 86, which was jointly developed with the Subaru BRZ, that it let journalists test the cars with a series of track activities, including an expression session on a dirt flat track, in Canberra this week.

The car’s chief engineer, Tetsuya Tada, bunged on a helmet and took to the track to test his baby, but soon slowed to a stop.

He then took off the headrest, which was pushing his helmet forward, and turned it around.

“Race position,” he explained. Yes, the back of the headrest has been shaped in such a way that it accommodates a driver wearing a helmet.

The 86 has also been designed so you can fit four race wheel and tyres in the boot after folding the rear seat back.

Toyota even points out that for the price of some of its rivals, such as the Volkswagen Golf GTI or Mazda MX-5, someone can buy an 86, fit it out with a roll cage, buy those race wheels and tyres and have money left for fuel.

It prompts you to ask, who is this company and what did they do with Toyota?

The Toyota we know hasn’t sold a car in Australia that has really been much fun to drive since the Celica GT-Four of the late 1990s.

The Toyota 86 looks the business in the metal and most people will assume it is far more expensive than it is. It’s doesn’t have quite the same visual impact as Nissan 370Z coupe, but still has presence.

It looks a little bit like a Hot Wheels car with the 16-inch wheels of the GT spec, but the 17s look at home on the GTS.

Slide inside and the cabin is a mix of sportiness and Toyota-style practicality.

The GT might be the entry-level model and while it is not a posh as the GTS, it doesn’t look like a bargain basement special either.

The GTS has some nice touches like imitation carbonfibre trim, leather/Alcantara seats, a big high-resolution centre screen and a stop/start button.

It has four seats, which could be crucial for those of us hoping to have the purchase approved by the household’s financial controller. That said, the rear two are really only good for shorter people (Toyota says 170cm), unless you are just heading out for a short trip.

Importantly for some, you can put baby seats in the back (with ISOFIX points) so your child can be raised the right way.

The boot is pretty shallow, mainly because of the intrusion of the spare wheel (a full-size one no less) but there is still reasonable room for shopping and a few overnight bags.

Getting comfortable is easy as the seats are very supportive. The steering wheel can be adjusted up and down and in and out.

It’s a nice little steering wheel, small and easy to grip.

To start off with, the engine can feel a little bit under-done in comparison to what you might expect from the design and layout of the car.

It doesn’t just dole out masses of horsepower like a turbo WRX or the 370Z, you have to work for it.

That doesn’t mean it’s gutless, but you have to be in the right gear and be prepared to rev it to really get going.

On the track, it means you have to be smart about the way you attack a corner. You can’t just hook in, stomp on the accelerator and hang the tail all the way out, because it doesn’t necessarily have the horsepower to maintain the drift.

You must be disciplined, feed the power on more carefully for a more progressive slide.

The 147kW and 205Nm might not sound astounding, but this amount of performance is perfectly matched to the chassis.

Tuners will add WRX engines and create tyre-searing monsters, but the standard car represents the perfect balance.

“I just love it because you can have a great time and not lose your licence,” is the view of Toyota rally ace Neal Bates, who put an order for a personal car as soon as he heard the price.

Unlike the a turbo boxer in the WRX, the Toyota 86’s engine has a linear power delivery and you get a reward for winding it all the way out to the 7450rpm limiter.

This writer (an STI owner) loves the sound of a good boxer, but the flat four in the 86 is not the best sounding engine around.

There is a hint of the nuggety boxer note, and it does sound sporty when you rev the ring off it, but cars like the Focus XR5 give you much more ear candy in regular driving than this does.

A huge benefit of using a boxer is that the cylinders are all as close to the ground as possible, so the car has a super low centre of gravity. You notice this, and the car’s low 1222kg kerb weight, at the first bend.

I’m struggling to recall a better handling car (other than a proper race or rally machine).

A nice smooth dirt track is the perfect place to explore a car’s handling and the 86 was nothing short of amazing, on road tyres.

Setting the car up for a turn was so simple. Just brake, flick it and use a bit of throttle to get the back to come out and then just steer through the corner using the accelerator.

Go faster and the slightest hint of understeer can be instantly fixed with a bit more throttle (there are five stages of traction and stability control and they can be turned off completely).

Thankfully, this car is also very forgiving on dirt and on tarmac. Some sportscars have such tremendous grip that they take you to the point of adhesion without letting you know. Then they let go and you are sailing into the bushes looking out the side window, inspecting what you are about to hit.

The 86 also has good grip, but communicates that you are getting to the point where it is going to let go.

There is very little body roll, so changing direction is quick and easy and the steering is fast and also gives the driver good feedback.

As a consequence of a sporty suspension set-up, the ride of the 86 can be harsh.

We spent some time in the higher-spec GTS and found that some people might struggle to use this as a day to day car. It’s not quite a Lotus Elise, but is certainly firm on the 17-inch wheels. Enthusiasts won’t be worried, but some people more interested in the look of the car might be put-off.

The brakes are easy to modulate and work well to pull the car up in a hurry.

Sustained track driving will require a brake upgrade (TRD is happy to help with genuine components) which is to be expected for any street car that doesn’t come standard with top-shelf Brembos or similar.

We spent most of our time in the manual and found it to be a sweet and sharp gearbox, the kind that makes you change more than you need to because it feels crisp with nice short throws.

A short run in the automatic indicated it works well enough, but this is such a pure car that it would seem a shame to spoil the experience by missing out on the manual.

You can enjoy an 86 on the road, soaking up its responsiveness and beautiful balance without going crazy and breaking any road rules.

Even so, it is a car that is screaming out to be taken to the track and driven in the spirit in which it was developed.

It might not be the absolute fastest car on the track, but there’s a very good chance it will be the most fun and most rewarding.


 

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  • bob

    Nice little package.  Good to see some more competition in this segment.

    I may get criticism for this, and people may assume I’m lazy, but no steering wheel mounted controls?  I know they didn’t exist back in the day, but they have become quite a convenience factor for me. 

    Yes, moving my hand 2 feet to the stereo is tiring.

    • Car2012

      My only issue with the package is that the GT is fitted with 277mm diameter fronts and 286mm rears, while the GTS has 294mm diameter fronts and 290mm rears.
      Why would the GT not be fitted with the same discs as GTS. I can understand less features being provided in the GT, but why the lesser mechanical package considering that the power and weights are the same.
      Can CarAdvice advice on how the brakes on the GT felt compared to the GTS?

      • Damian

        Anything to keep the price down, I guess.  It’s not a big problem, though, as you can easily replace the rotors with cheap aftermarket ones (DBA/RDA slotted or cross-drilled).  Don’t know whether the calipers are different, but again, if you want to save a bit of cash, you could always source ones from the GTS… 

      • Alex

        My guess is that it is for product differentiation. Give people with a little bit more cash something to aim for. The cost of producing the larger brakes would be bugger all. In fact I can’t see why this should cost more than a base model AWD subaru. It is all marketing.

    • KC

      Bob, its not about laziness, its about convenience as you said and about safety.Seeing that the hand(s) is already on the steering wheel, I rather move my thumbs 2-3 cm and keep my eyes on the road then move my hands 2 feet to feel for the buttons in the centre stack for the stereo. My bro’s base model Corrolla even had buttons on the steering wheel so can’t really understand why they can’t put some on the 86. Anyway, this is only nit picking, no doubt this car will be popular

    • John from Perth

       I actually like the steering wheel free of all gimmicks – that’s all they really are – you can live without them.  Bit low on the torque spec though, which suggests that like all subaru boxer engines you may have to stick the boot in to get it moving.

    • JD

      most people will install an aftermarket stereo system in the car, so it negates the need to have a steering wheel mounted control. 

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    Best release of the year! These things will go cult for sure :D

    • Kampfer

      Just like 240z when it released few decades ago.

    • Kampfer

      Just like 240z when it released few decades ago.

    • http://www.ozft86.com.au/forums/ Toyota 86 Owners Forum

      Definitely a cult classic in the making.

    • http://www.ozft86.com.au/forums/ Toyota 86 Owners Forum

      Definitely a cult classic in the making.

  • D4D

    I’m up for it!!! Deposit paid!!! Now start to save money for Tein coilovers, Tanabe exhaust, Cusco front and rear upper brace…Whiteline front and rear sway bar, DBA disc rotors etc……

    • whatthe

      Why wreck it?

    • whatthe

      Why wreck it?

    • Turbo99

      You are destroying the car. The worst thing is that you are putting in money to destroy it lolx

    • D4D

       And a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE050…

      • Shak

        At first i thought the same as you guys in that this car should be left alone, but then i realised that tuning this car up was exactly what the creator wanted. He realised people would do crazy things to this car, so he gave them such a solid and brilliant base to work off of. Its a car built to be tuned and fiddled with, but also for those who just want the purity, it offers that as well.

        • Noddy

          You’re a bloke to be tuned and fiddled with.

      • Patto

        Mate , you can get much grippier bridgestones than those
        Try R002 adrenalines or S001′s if buying in oz
        Or if you can be bothered, RE11′s from the states,street legal track tyres

        I have missed this sort of car for ages

  • Splatcat03

      
    I saw a comparison between this and a 2012 V6 Mustang around a race track in America. Despite being a live axle 2 tonne monster, the V6 Mustang was quicker around the track. If it can’t out race a live axle Mustang, what hope does it have against cars with proper suspension. Puts pay to those claiming it will out corner GTI’s, HSV’s, FPV’s etc.

    A car so slow with light weight should handle well, it is not as if the car has had to be engineered to handle high entry speed and handle powering out of a corner.
    Also, if the power this car delivers is perfectly matched to the chassis, I guess that means that the chassis is rather poor. 149kw is not a lot of power and if that is the perfect match for the chassis, then the chassis is flawed. Hopefully Subaru will give the car the performance to match its looks.

    • Schn

      Not everyone is into the whole speed and racing aspect of driving. Driving excitement doesn’t only come from that. Yes, Toyota could have put more power in, but they knew that it wasn’t necessary and also, they wanted it to be a driver’s car on a budget sort of thing. This car alone offers one of the best driving enjoyment one can get without the speed.  

    • Schn

      Not everyone is into the whole speed and racing aspect of driving. Driving excitement doesn’t only come from that. Yes, Toyota could have put more power in, but they knew that it wasn’t necessary and also, they wanted it to be a driver’s car on a budget sort of thing. This car alone offers one of the best driving enjoyment one can get without the speed.  

    • Daniel R

      The track that they were tested around would no doubt be power biased. This car is for a twisty mountain road and the occasional track day. top gear Australia did the same thing with the Clio rs and a fpv. guess what, the Clio won. the track was designed for handling.

    • Daniel R

      The track that they were tested around would no doubt be power biased. This car is for a twisty mountain road and the occasional track day. top gear Australia did the same thing with the Clio rs and a fpv. guess what, the Clio won. the track was designed for handling.

    • Joof

      Reading articles (scoops) from other publications, both Toyota and Subaru are likely to release high powered (read as turbo/super charged) versions in the not-to-distant future. Toyota test mules have already been photographed (bespoilered and with multiple exhaust outlets lending to the assumption that a higher output engine lurks under the bonnet).

      So I would suggest that while this current engine combines well with the chassis, I doubt very much that such an engine would be the limit this chassis is suited for as the whole design brief was to create a ‘drivers car’ with the full knowledge the street racer ilk would likely modify their cars substantially, and that works best when the base product has the strength and torsional rigidity to permit it. At least an interview I read with the project manager discussing the car suggested all of this…

    • Joof

      Reading articles (scoops) from other publications, both Toyota and Subaru are likely to release high powered (read as turbo/super charged) versions in the not-to-distant future. Toyota test mules have already been photographed (bespoilered and with multiple exhaust outlets lending to the assumption that a higher output engine lurks under the bonnet).

      So I would suggest that while this current engine combines well with the chassis, I doubt very much that such an engine would be the limit this chassis is suited for as the whole design brief was to create a ‘drivers car’ with the full knowledge the street racer ilk would likely modify their cars substantially, and that works best when the base product has the strength and torsional rigidity to permit it. At least an interview I read with the project manager discussing the car suggested all of this…

    • Sam

      Im assuming you are referring to the same test that I watched last weekend. In which case, I believe you forgot to mention the fact that the conclusion was that the 86/brz is a much better drivers car with its, ‘surgical precision and joyous feedback that you get from the brz’s steering, brakes and chassis,’ compared to the ford. It was also noted that, ‘if you love driving, if you love a car which rewards you for accuracy and smoothness, and yet will also let you play fast and loose when you want to, then the subaru brz will have you grinning from ear to ear.’ Sounds like the 86/brz are horrible cars… You would expect a car with 33% power power (i.e mustang) compared to the brz/86 twins to be faster on willow springs (the track they used) because is not a tight circuit! rather to the contrary it is a very open track with lots of straights!

    • eveready

      I too saw that comparision (it’s a Motortrend
      video on youtube for the BRZ vs the V6 Mustang)

       

      Even though the mustang was faster the
      reviewer categorically said he would take the BRZ over the mustang because it
      was a more engaging, fun and all round better vehicle.

       

      If you are measuring this car against lap
      times, I think you have missed the point of the vehicle completely.

       

      FYI – I am a Ford person – but I think it
      is awesome that Toyota/Subaru have released this vehicle at such a low price
      point.  Great to see the re-ignition of
      cheap RWD coupes!

      • Norm

        Apparently in another test they compared the 86 to a two wheel cart being drawn by a donkey ridden by a juggling monkey. The 86 won easily but the tester said the donkey was a more entertaining drive.

    • Splatcat03

      Depsite all of that, it still couldn’t trump a live axle car weighing two tonnes using a V6.
      Point remains,it looks better than it goes, it may be red and have two doors, but a sports car it doesn’t make. The only time this car would be able to trump anything is if it was used on a track with no straights and all tight corners, and well, I am yet to see a track with no straights and only tight corners.
      Take this car anywhere there are hills and twists ,normally the two are associated together,  it would be boring to drive. With such a piddly amount of torque, you could be mistaken for thinking you were driving the little engine that could. If you wanted to have fun in this car on twists that weren’t on a flat race track, you would have to be going downhill with a large tailwind blowing you along.

      • Shnerkle

        Yep – Toyota and Subaru are fretting as we speak. Oh no! It got beaten around a racetrack by a V6 Mustang in an utterly meaningless comparison!  Oh no  - all our plans are ruined! We’re doomed! 

      • Target12s

        Dude, the 2012 Mustang is 310hp, and is designed for high grip and the best possible braking force. The 86 is not designed off the bat for maximum grip– it’s designed to be fun. And it has 200hp. 110hp is a big difference. Are you saying the MX5 isn’t a sportscar? It would have no hope in hell of beating a V6 ‘stang around a circuit either…

        Also, I sincerely doubt you’ve driven an original AE86 (Not the Australian model, the full-fat 4AGE powered unit), or a non-turbo Silvia AUTECH, or– Well, every sportscar that has a small engine, ever Alfas and Renault-Alpines and MGs, Triumphs and older Mazdas spring to mind– If you’re stuck with that mindset… 

        No torque or power unless you’re “wringing its neck”. And it’s quite possibly the most fun you could ever have in a car on a twisty road. Keeping it in the right gear to keep it in the boil, keeping the weight of the car balanced on the nose, keeping the right line… So, sure, you can obsess over ‘paper racing’, but at the end of the day, numbers on paper stay on paper, the fun’s out there on the real tarmac.

        Keep an eye out for a satin white pearl GTS.

        • Legnab

          DREAMS BUDDY  no torque means lost of wrist snaps , well remember the prelude vtir , keeping it on the boil drives you mad , this thing needs a turbo , every euro journo has critisized its lack of torque .

          • Target12s

            Keeping it on the boil is half the reason I drive the cars I do, dude, if it’s working its hardest less than 500rpm under the cutout that’s the sort of thing I like to drive. Turbo’s just not for me– by the time you get up the pointy end you’re going way too fast, and besides, it’s less direct than NA.

          • Legnab

            I did that , got so bored reving its head off , absolute revelation with a turbo , more relaxed , lots of oomph , power out of corners .

            BRZ will fix the problem with a blower , then your talking about a sports car , not this haidressers  hand bag .

          • matt

            agreed hearing the engine work near redline as you head out of corners is far more fun then rowing a turbo engine through the gears at low revs. buuuurrr buuuurrrrr… boring. hairdresser types ( see below ) would probly be scared of abit of engine noise *oooo darlingz whats happening **flaps writst’s, crashes into tree* bye bye prelude. hahaha.

            if i had one of these things it would be spent on NA mods.. 4 show!

          • DeCarli

            Haaaaaa.. I’ve driven Golf-R and in that car you have to revving it at 3000rpm to maintain 60km/h.. If that’s your definition of torque then you sir have low expectations..

            If you want that relaxed effortless driving then you have to drive a car with 6-cylinders and more then 3L of displacement.. Such as Ford Falcon

            Golf-R is a thrashy car, you have to rev its head off to gain speed , same as Honda’s of old, but the difference was that Honda’s had a higher redline and the real difference was that Honda’s didn’t break apart when revved, unlike your beloved Volkswagen which will fall apart and sounds like a POS if revved.. 

          • Xzone

            Yeah and the funny thing is that all Volkswagens, Audi’s etc is that their speedometres are all very inaccurate by at least 12Km/h

            So if your Golf-R is saying your doing 100Km/h you are actually doing 88Km/h.. Gives the stupid drivers of them cars the illusion that their car is ZOMG SO FASTZ!!

            Compared with Japanese brands which have very accurate speedometers, especially Toyota, Honda etc

          • Johnson

            Dumb post is dumb.

      • Daniel R

        The mustang was faster to 60 mph by a second and around that track was still only a second ahead, so it won due to a better start that’s it really.

        would be interesting if they did a rolling start to see the real track times if they were racing each other.

    • Shnerkle

      Give it a rest.

    • Haydos

      Where did you pull that 2 tonne figure from? The V6 Mustang is less than 1600kg.

      Basically you’re complaining that the 86 couldn’t beat a car that only weighs 350kg more but has 50% more power, nearly double the torque and a track package on the one they tested.

    • Fenno

      What sort of track was it? A typical american track devoid of anything most non- Americans would call corners?

  • Splatcat03

      
    I saw a comparison between this and a 2012 V6 Mustang around a race track in America. Despite being a live axle 2 tonne monster, the V6 Mustang was quicker around the track. If it can’t out race a live axle Mustang, what hope does it have against cars with proper suspension. Puts pay to those claiming it will out corner GTI’s, HSV’s, FPV’s etc.

    A car so slow with light weight should handle well, it is not as if the car has had to be engineered to handle high entry speed and handle powering out of a corner.
    Also, if the power this car delivers is perfectly matched to the chassis, I guess that means that the chassis is rather poor. 149kw is not a lot of power and if that is the perfect match for the chassis, then the chassis is flawed. Hopefully Subaru will give the car the performance to match its looks.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LAJMAUKUQZYQWDVUH375WBL5VQ Juice

    Isofix is not acceptable in Australia is it? I was keen to get one but this will be a deal breaker with the missus if I can’t ferry kids in it!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LAJMAUKUQZYQWDVUH375WBL5VQ Juice

    Isofix is not acceptable in Australia is it? I was keen to get one but this will be a deal breaker with the missus if I can’t ferry kids in it!

    • Joof

      Don’t lose faith Juice. I read just a few weeks ago that Australia will finally (later this year or early next) come into line with the international community and actually recognize and permit and require ISOFIX attachment points in all new vehicle as an amendment to the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) – the national over arching legislation upon which most state vehicle standard regulations are based.

      As such, you will be permitted to use ISOFIX capable child restraints from that date (which it would seem you would not have received your car until after then – large wait list).

      Having said that though, the mere fact that ISOFIX attachment s are included in a car would not preclude you from using a current spec child seat with the 3-point lap/sash belt in the back of the 86

    • Joof

      Don’t lose faith Juice. I read just a few weeks ago that Australia will finally (later this year or early next) come into line with the international community and actually recognize and permit and require ISOFIX attachment points in all new vehicle as an amendment to the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) – the national over arching legislation upon which most state vehicle standard regulations are based.

      As such, you will be permitted to use ISOFIX capable child restraints from that date (which it would seem you would not have received your car until after then – large wait list).

      Having said that though, the mere fact that ISOFIX attachment s are included in a car would not preclude you from using a current spec child seat with the 3-point lap/sash belt in the back of the 86

    • MattW
    • GuestyGuestyGuest

      isofix is coming to australia, saw a brief story on it last week.  Can’t remember the date, but I think about a year away.  A quick google should sort it for you.

  • Sunny

    Time to give my salary sac company a call and get the ball rolling :) Ive heard from some of the ‘older’ people that we get a good corporate discount of Lexus/Toyota. Wonder if they would apply it to one of these

  • Sunny

    Time to give my salary sac company a call and get the ball rolling :) Ive heard from some of the ‘older’ people that we get a good corporate discount of Lexus/Toyota. Wonder if they would apply it to one of these

  • nugsdad

    Well it won’t be for everybody, but for those it’s targeted at – I would say impossible to to beat 

  • nugsdad

    Well it won’t be for everybody, but for those it’s targeted at – I would say impossible to to beat 

  • http://twitter.com/supercujo supercujo

    What will Subaru do in regards to their models and pricing? 

    Will they go high spec/high price? Or go head to head with Toyota?

    I think the Subaru version looks a little better than the Toyota

    • D4D

       ”I think the Subaru version looks a little better than the Toyota” The badge your mean? Just change that to Lexus then…..

      • http://twitter.com/supercujo supercujo

        No, the slight differences in the Subaru front end look better

      • http://twitter.com/supercujo supercujo

        No, the slight differences in the Subaru front end look better

    • D4D

       ”I think the Subaru version looks a little better than the Toyota” The badge your mean? Just change that to Lexus then…..

  • James Cortez

    read road and track now. BRZ beats Miata (MX-5) and genesis coupe. So this thing is a hit now

  • Turbo99

    If I were to get one, I’d get a Toyota 86 GT 6spd auto because:

    I prefer the higher profile tyres/wheels of the GT which are more comfortable and are tougher/less prone to cracking than the low profile tyres/wheels of the GTS. Also the higher profile tyres are cheaper and any tyres need to be replaced frequently if you do a lot of sideways driving :) I don’t care for the satnav in the GTS (which don’t have DAB digital radio) as modern car stereos communicate with smart phones and new technologies get introduced into the car stereos every couple of months which means I will replace my car stereos a couple of times during the life time of the car.The 86 6spd auto is almost as good as the manual on the race tracks from the reviews. But 10x better as a daily car in large cities for driving to and from work and my gf could drive it as well. But IMO Toyota screwed it up by taking out the LSD in the GT auto. But the good thing without an LSD is better fuel economy and one less thing to service and to go wrong as LSDs are serviceable items. I’d also get the Toyota 86 over the Subaru BRZ because of the fixed price servicing costs of the Toyota which could save thousands over a couple of years.

    • Philthy

      Buy a camry.

    • Jauffre

      I cannot imagine why anyone would want this car in auto. If you can’t be bothered changing gears by yourself then you don’t deserve this car.

    • nickdl

      You’re the sort of Toyota owner the company are trying to distance themselves from with this car. Unless you’re a troll…

    • MichaelLock

      C’mon guys, he has got an important point here…his GIRLFRIEND CAN DRIVE IT!!! WTF Turbo99, don’t worry about her..she probably leave you in a year or so and then what? your left with an automatic Toyota!!!!

      • Info

        …or was it his grand father?

    • Guest

       Those who go on about autos being SO much better for traffic and city driving are lazy, driving a manual in the city is easy if you know how to drive it properly…

      • boxer_purrrrr

        I had a manual Corolla for 5 years and now a manual Impreza for 2 years, both cars are easy and fun to drive around town BUT being stuck on Victoria Road for close to 2 hours to and from work each day for so many years really take its toll on you physically and mentally.

        Its not about being lazy, its more about following people who for some random reason like to do erratic acceleration and deceleration in traffic. 

        Having an automatic will help regain sanity for just a little bit ;)

  • Old fart

    On this car, what would be a good colour for a 50 year old bloke? White? Silver? Charcoal? Definitely not bright red or orange I think.

    • D4D

       Silver….just like your hair color.

    • D4D

       Silver….just like your hair color.

    • Hazyman

      I suggest white or silver. White looks clean and large, silver gives a more metal feel

      • MichaelLock

        Yuk, boring Hazyman. Black is the best neutral colour all ages and looks really good with nice wheel on any car, especially the 86 I would imagine.
        Stop being conservative as Guest 1 says and get out there man!!!!

    • Schn

      Black is a colour that tends to suit all ages. 

      • RenaultSport

        and swirls…

    • Guest1

      Why NOT red? At late 40′s I would be going for the red or a bold blue.
      Totally over the shades of white and grey carparks in Australia – be bold and show some class!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pete-Petrass/1299968544 Pete Petrass

       Not entirely sure why you seem to think age should be involved in your colour choice.   I just turned 54 and driving a Scirocco R in Viper Green.   Age is just a number and you are only as old as you feel.   Just pick the colour you like instead of what you think is right for your age.

    • MichaelLock

      Hell no, go black, lower it and some really nice BBS Alloy wheels. And forget your age Old Fart, I’m 45 and seriously thinking about finally getting out of (store in the garage anyway) my old Falcon AU2 Wagon I’ve had since 03. Do you think that would be too much of change in one go? I do I explain this decision to my wife? What will your wife think when you come home with one, once you have decided on the colour that is?

  • Old fart

    On this car, what would be a good colour for a 50 year old bloke? White? Silver? Charcoal? Definitely not bright red or orange I think.

  • horsie

    feel sorry for anyone who just brought a veloster!

    • ABC

      There will be a sudden price drop on that wheezy 1.6L Veloster. Don’t expect Hyundai to give you compensation from the price drop (which should be one) unlike some of the other car companies.

    • Edward

      Unfortunately im still considering the Veloster just for the added space and practicality. However, apart from the looks nothing about the Veloster is sporty.

      If i had to pick a weekend car the 86 would be the one hands down. But having both a weekend and daily driver in the one car is never an easy choice to make.

  • TG

    CA writes: “Importantly for some, you can put baby seats in the back (with ISOFIX points) so your child can be raised the right way.”

    Ah yeah right, try telling the missus that, when she has roll the seat forward, and be a contortionist to get the baby capsule into the back seat. :)

    • http://twitter.com/supercujo supercujo

      You tell her it can take the baby seat, but wait until after the purchase for the contortionist act

  • Andrew

    Disappointing you found the ride to harsh in the Toyota. I’ve seen reviews of the brz in which they’re surprised how comfortable the ride is. I think the suspension is slightly different on the Toyota & brz. Wonder if you could get the Toyota gts with 16inch wheels to make the ride more comfortable…..

  • aw

    How long till we see these doing laps on Church St, Parramatta with some hektik tunes blaring? 

    • Shak

      Three to four weeks.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

        That long??

    • LN

       As soon as they find one in the auction as a repairable write off.

      I think it will be Asians who will get their hands on these and be doing meets up and cruises around Sydney

      My girlfriend is Asian, her brother and his crew are looking to offload their Honda Integra Type R for 86 and you will then see Cabramatta full of young Asian boys driving around with them.

  • Jinnzhang

    “the ride of the 86 can be harsh”  it’s a big no no for me as I will be mainly driving on road.

    • RenaultSport

      Buy a camry then!
      Can’t get over people that want a proper handling car with soft suspension.
      Like the young generation say: Duuuuuuhhhhhhhhh

      • Edward

        My civic type R is lowered and it already has a terrible ride from factory. It is brutal on Perth roads. Trust me, i used to think like yourself until i had to actually live with it.

        Driving my girlfriend’s automatic Elantra feels like luxury in comparison.

    • Skylinster

      that’s a very good point. Other 86 drivers have a high tendency of driving the car in bushes and that’s exactly how they like it.

  • Wnz

    Just gave my husband the permission to get the GT86! Never a sports car fan but this car changed my view. The beautiful sharp look and interior design make even a girl wants to drive that! The back seats make it less selfish for the kid (my two years old son will love daddy’s big toy)! I guess this will be every man’s dream car at the right price! So why not spoil yourself for once!;)

    • Splatcat03

      I would say every man would not want one. The only people who would want one are P platers, hairdressers, metrosexuals and the full shick mate. Men will wait until an adult version is released and if one isn’t in the near future, go and spoil themselves with a real sports car.

      • Sdf

        Your kidding right?

        The 86 is a sports car, pure sports car.. It has 147kW which is plenty for a car this light..

        Now Veloster, yeah that car suits the criteria you mention.

      • Jason

        Stop trolling you homo.

    • aa

      “Just gave my husband the permission to get the GT86!”

      lucky husband who needs to get permission from his wife!!! Maybe with a sporty car he can find a new wife and loose the shackles

      • Robert

        That’d be “lose”, right?

        And spoken like someone who’s never been part of an equal partnership…

        • Aa

          ” And spoken like someone who’s never been part of an equal partnership…”

          How about: “We had a discussion and decided to purchase the car together.” I wouldn’t call giving someone permission an “equal partnership”. Did you ask your wife if you can post on this blog Robert ;)

        • Jaso

          So you must be the husband

  • Paul

    So is the ride harsher than a gti?

  • Just got my P plates

    Is this sports car faster than the GTR and Commodore?

    • http://twitter.com/supercujo supercujo

      It will be legal to own while on your P plates

    • KootaKommodorez

      Nothing’s faster than a commodore. period.

      • Just got my P plates

        Commodores are really really fast. But I am not sure if it’s the fastest these days.

        • Target12s

          … I’ll be over here with the people who know what fast is.

        • RenaultSport

          Yes very fast in a strait line but owned by a Clio RS 200 / Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ with 147kw’s in a winding road, Period!

        • Joshy-001

          did u really just try to compare this car to a twin turbo gtr. not even a gtt skyline would keep up with a gtr, and to put a commonwhore into the same league as a gtr is just sad. and what are you defining as fast, as ive made the infamous (“slow”) nissan tida push out an amazing 180km/h, and ive managed to get the 1.8L lancer up to a ridiculous speed of something over 220km/h. or are you defining fast as to how fast the car can get to speed, because that would then just depend on how hard you want to accelerate… good example was driving the g300 (i think it was) on the same roads as the tida and the lancer, i didnt have to push the lexus as hard and when i did i was in lower gears and doing the same speeds if not faster. so to truely know wha speed is, go out to a track, much safer, and u cant lose ur license 

          • Lurkin_Death

            cars are only as fast as you can safely push them, i only have a 2007 swift sports with a few mods done to it and i can beat evo7′s around Queensland raceway and have video and time slips to prove it. and it can also out handle/power a 550hp R32 gtr in the local mountains

      • Legnab

        Hands up who’s IQ is over 85

        • Igomi Watabi

          Anyone? no? No?  Nup, sorry Legnab

    • Kampfer

      No, but cheaper RRP than both, and much MUCH better resales than Commodore…

    • MichaelLock

      and your pimply girlfriend will love ya even more if you buy the 86 because you’ll have more money left over from your apprentice wage after repayments to spend on her dude!!! AND, her Mum will probably think your a really smart, intelligent & a sweet boy for owning such a  car that she is now too old to be seen (but would love to be) in. Go for it, I’m even thinking about getting one myself but I’m 45 and,,,and….shouldn’t? should I?

  • Guest

    I don’t believe that I am saying this but this Toyota looks much better than the Z4 that I am intending to buy – yes, different categories of car but still, I am impressed!

  • Stevomigs

    no

  • rex

    Aurion’s faster than a commodore

    • F1

      It is..

      Driven Sv6 SIDI, falcon falcon G6 and Aurion ZR6

      And the Aurion is the faster.. The reason in my opinion is that the Aurion is able to rev so easily and it has serious mid-high end power..

      Also the transmission in the Aurion is very good, fast and accurate

      Falcon feels very heavy and cannot rev above 3500rpm easily, and the first gear is very tall

      Sv6 is just rubbish engine and transmission, don’t know what to make if it

      – and the Aurion by far has the nicest engine note, smooth and good to the ear..

      Thsts my analysis

      • twincharger

        Interesting comments F1,never driven the Aurion.Heard its a great drive,,Falcon 16 engine doesnt require massive revs,,very smooth…V6 Commodore a bit noisy but great acceleration and fuel economy.

        • F1

          Yeah the Falcon engine has extremely good low-end torque, good for towing etc.. But its lack of higher-end power and the fact that it cannot breathe easily means that its 0-100 or acceleration will always be compromised.. Also the 1st Gear on the Falcon is beyond tall.. 

          In comparison the Aurion engine breathes very well, and has a very good transmission to match the engine and the shift points are perfect.. Which yields good acceleration and 0-100 times.. 

          You should drive an Aurion. You’ll like it.. 

        • F1

          Yeah but one important point to take notice is that 5000rpm for the Aurion is effortless and a walk in the park. 

          Where as 5000rpm in the Falcon and the thing sounds as if its gonna explode.. At that RPM the Falcon is being pushed beyond its limits.. 

          • save it for the track

            Try a Falcon and an Aurion back to back on a proper outback country dirt road. The Falcon kills it for driving feel and performance.

          • Robin_Graves

            These guys must have driven an AU Falcon.  The FG doesnt mind going to 6k and sounds like it could have some more.  Aurions feel scary with that much power going thru the front wheels.  Jump on one at low speed and it decides to either go up the kerb or into the other lane.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

        Aurion, XR6 and SV6 are all within 15 kw’s, however the Aurion is by far the lightest of the three.

      • Guest1

        “Falcon feels very heavy and cannot rev above 3500rpm easily”

        You haven’t actually driven an FG Falcon then …. what a stupid uneducated (and blatently wrong) statement.

        The Falcon will easily rev to the redline; 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.   5th ?? I value my license too much.
        Remember that an FG will sit at around 1500 rpm for 110 km/h, and hold it on a hill. Aurion will be screaming it’s lungs out in 4th trying to keep up.

        • F1

          Did i say the Falcon was bad? No, if anything my comment praised the falcon..  And yes the FG G6 is the one I’ve driven ;)

          But the Aurion was clearly the faster car.. And the Aurion doesn’t scream at 4000rpm, it’s normal at that rpm compared to a Falcon at 4000rpm which is pushing it..

          Also Aurion will also be at 1500rpm when at a constant 110 km/h

          You probably haven’t driven the Aurion, drive one then talk.. I guarantee you’ll be impressed by how that car goes.. 

          Not to mention the Aurion engine & exhaust sound is so much nicer and smoother then anything i have heard.. The 2GR-FE engine has such a nice note to it.. 

        • F1

          Did i say the Falcon was bad? No, if anything my comment praised the falcon..  And yes the FG G6 is the one I’ve driven ;)

          But the Aurion was clearly the faster car.. And the Aurion doesn’t scream at 4000rpm, it’s normal at that rpm compared to a Falcon at 4000rpm which is pushing it..

          Also Aurion will also be at 1500rpm when at a constant 110 km/h

          You probably haven’t driven the Aurion, drive one then talk.. I guarantee you’ll be impressed by how that car goes.. 

          Not to mention the Aurion engine & exhaust sound is so much nicer and smoother then anything i have heard.. The 2GR-FE engine has such a nice note to it.. 

          • Jober As A Sudge

            The problem occurs when you point an Aurion at a corner. Sorry but a Falcon is a much better car than an Aurion when corners are involved.

          • Huaz

            Dude the Toyota Kluger (AWD) can do 0-100 in 8 seconds

            Imagine how fast the Aurion could go..

            The Kluger can do the 1/4 mile in 15.7 .. You do know that’s very impressive for a 2 tonne AWD SUV

            Your Falon will have no chance against the Aurion, heck it’ll have a hard time beating the Kluger!

          • Jaso

            They don’t like revving because Falcoons have a long stroke, lazy agricultural straight 6 in them.

          • Guest2

            Dude what a wonker! It is quite clear that you haven’t really DRIVEN an FG Falcon. To claim that 4000 rpm is “pushing it” in a Falcon is just plain childish. The Falcon will quite happily rev to the redline, without even using max throttle.

            The other thing that you conveniently forget is that the Aurion (and Kluger) NEED to rev to 4500 rpm just to keep up with normal daily traffic – it’s very tiresome. The Falcon on the other hand, whilst it will happily rev, just doesn’t need to because is has much more usable power and torque.

            The Aurion is the inferior car in almost every way!

  • gt86.com.au

    Cult Classic! :)

  • jalyst

    Wow, I’ve never been into cars but this is “turning me” !  ;-P

    • theillestlife

       why are you on caradvice if you’re not into cars ?:S

      • jalyst

        Well…..
        A friend of a friend forwarded something he wrote about the car, which linked to this article.
        Pretty simple really…

      • Golfschwein

        A lot of the regulars aren’t into cars. They’re either list and survey junkies or use it purely for snipey commentary. See Noddy.

  • Reds Fan

    Needs more power, lower in the rev range, and much more torque. Not everyone likes having to spin an engine like  a turbine to get going.

    • Homer

      Totally agree. It seems it is just a better MX5 but with the same problem – no power or torque for everyday driving. With a turbo, it will be something worth serious consideration.

    • F1

      You cannot judge a car before you have driven it.. All engines are different, some can be revved easily and without hesitation where as other simply cannot.. 

      I’m sure the 86 will drive normal around town, it’s not the 70′s where small displacement high-powered cars lacked power at the bottom end of the rev-range.. 

      I drive around in a Corolla and around town i don’t ever rev it above 2500rpm — People call them “tourqueless” but they’re only have a shortage of power if you thrash them (like the Falcon the Corolla lacks high-end power) in that sense can’t we call the Falcon torqueless? 

      My point that it’s not all about absolute numbers because you have many different variables and setups in affect.. 

      • Jaso

        VVT-i probably helps…

    • Kaas

      90% of the torque is available at 3500rpm, wasnt that reported already?
      Its zippy as from what I gather from all reviewers.

      Top end speed suffers obviously… but this isnt a “supercar” its actually an ideal coupe for everyday in my opinion…… 

    • Edward

      But there are plenty of those that do like spinning an engine to get it going. Every Type R owner like myself are happy to rev engines up.

      I have a mate that loves his turbo diesel Jeep and couldnt understand the point of my 2.0 naturally aspirated Type R until i took him for a thrash around long corners. He was completely sold and realised it was the complete opposite of his engine.

      As for everyday driving, these engines feel like your average engine but with more grunt. The option to ignite the beast is always just a downshift and throttle blip away…

    • Joshy-001

      its not about power, well it is, the 86 has a descent mid range but works best at the high end, which makes it good for the corners, as this allows you to power through the corner, unlike cars such as falcadoors and commonwhores that are considered to have torque

  • Devil666

    “The 147kW and 205Nm might not sound astounding, but this amount of performance is perfectly matched to the chassis.”
    Gutless, wimpy engine meets chassis at it’s limits? Surely that’s not what you meant to say…

    Only the worlds largest white-goods manufacturer could bring out a car at this pricepoint. I’ll reserve judgement.

  • Devil666

    “The 147kW and 205Nm might not sound astounding, but this amount of performance is perfectly matched to the chassis.”
    Gutless, wimpy engine meets chassis at it’s limits? Surely that’s not what you meant to say…

    Only the worlds largest white-goods manufacturer could bring out a car at this pricepoint. I’ll reserve judgement.

    • Splatcat03

      What do expect, this car is probably nothing more than a Corolla Chassis with some new body work.

      • peddy.d

        mate comeon please get your facts right, the 86/BRZ chassis was developed from an impreza platform. Don’t undermine this great car with such poor assumptions

  • Camski

    I’m going to hope the author has spent some time in the pre-facelifted (2009) W204 C63 AMG and ask – How would the ride compare to the AMG?

    I’ve come to terms with the ride in the AMG on Sydney roads, if the 86 betters or is on par with the ride of the AMG, it could be a tempting second weekend/track car proposition.

    • Camski

      So I thought I’d go find out for myself, test drivers (auto and manual) should be at dealers between the 15th and 18th of this month (the memo the dealers get say 18th).

  • Camski

    I’m going to hope the author has spent some time in the pre-facelifted (2009) W204 C63 AMG and ask – How would the ride compare to the AMG?

    I’ve come to terms with the ride in the AMG on Sydney roads, if the 86 betters or is on par with the ride of the AMG, it could be a tempting second weekend/track car proposition.

  • save it for the track

    Wonder how long it will take for the Insurance to go up on these after all the p platers and wannabe heroes start crashing……

    • Legnab

      Your right , is this the under 18′s blog , dreamers lying in bed , hope your ready for lots of cog swapping as your bounce of the rev limiter trying to keep up with real hot hatches .

      • Pro346

        You mad?

      • steeeeeeeeeeeve

        I’m ready to bounce off the rev limiter in your mum’s hot pocket

    • Edward

      This is why im glad it isnt high on power. Maybe more people will understand that high speed and driving enjoyment are not the same thing.

  • Michael

    This car is such a great package, the price is unbeatable and it actually make it affordable for guys who would want a track focused car without worrying about bashing it hard on the track. I want to know if it’s capable at Mt.Glorious, downhill atleast, it should be a thrill. On the other note my god, the shape and the lights is such a dissapointment, it is as off putting as rying not to focus on my friends missing front teeth.  The prototype 2 was the best damnit!@bce84a85d8feb4c1aac617cd70b8ce92:disqus why didn’t they use a design that they had rave reviews about.

  • crouchy

    I need to buy the auto as im sick of driving manual in my work car…. Am I really that crazy???

    • ABC

      No. This is a good 6spd auto and it returns much better fuel economy than the manual.

    • RenaultSport

      Sorry but my answer is YES!
      Just watch the EVO Magazine (youtube) review of the Toyota GT86 / Subaru BRZ (can’t remember) vs Renault Megane RS 265, they are not impressed with the Auto at all.

    • Edward

      As a daily driver the 86 is a bit of a gamble…

      • ABCDEFG

        There’s no reason why it can’t be a daily driver. Just get the GT which has the much more comfy tyres than the GT-S. Get the auto if you want even more comfort and convenience.

  • ABC

    This 2L car is $29,990.
    The 2.4L Honda Euro is $26,000 ($29,900 drive away no more to pay).
    Which 1?

    • HateGPS

       Different cars mate!!!

    • Edward

      Engine capacity matched with price is not the only criteria considered when buying a car…

    • Jaso

      Accord Euro is considerably heavier and slower.

  • Robin_Graves

    Great price!  Almost makes up for the lack of a turbo.  Now they just need the turbo version for 5k more with bigger brakes, stronger diff / trans etc (if it needs it)

  • Dominique Vøn Hütch

    Very suspect of the constant Aurion discussion on this site atm.  The Aurion is a good car but who really goes “ooo can’t wait to order my 2012 Aurion”! BIZARRE CAR, CarAdvice Aurion Trolls ———–:::))))) oh brrrrrrrrr. 

    PS

    86 Rocks

    1986 great year.

  • carl

    I’d be happy with the GT, better start saving my cash.

    • ABCDEFG

      I’d get a GT too. Better value, better ride, no red cotton stitching real or fake, no fake CF and I’d upgrade the stereo to a unit with satnav and DAB digital radio which the GTS don’t even have.

  • MattW

    All the talk about “forget how much power it has, its the way it handles” sounds a lot like the line people pulled out about the MX-5…. and how many times have you seen an MX-5 really driven? Never. Its either a hairdresser, gay guy or 60 yr old guy driving it like a Corolla.

    • Golfschwein

      You’ve just demeaned and devalued everyone who’s cut your hair, everyone who’s served you a drink and everyone who’s worked hard over a lifetime twice or three times the length of yours. And I can’t believe you scored 6 ‘likes’ for it. Trust me, you’re not as superior to these people as you think.

      As for the 86, I feel somewhat rewarded to see that you can’t understand it as it was intended.

      • Noddy

        Haha Golfy you’re implying that only gay guys serve drinks! Bit of a generalisation there! But I suppose, at the bars you go to, they have a certain ‘clientiele’ to serve…

        • Golfschwein

          Yeah, I know. Generalising and stereotyping has its dangers, but I comfortably own that one.

          • Noddy

            Do you also own an amazing array of rubber phalluses?

          • Golfschwein

            Sadly, no. Send me yours when you’ve finished with them.

          • Noddy

            You should have waited for the Gold Wagon to store them all in. 

    • Edward

      If you want to be around cars on the road being ‘really driven’ then visit a track, not a public road. Im no angel myself, as i used to race people in the hills. But i do objectively notice that people in overpowered cars are an absolute nuisance on the roads.

      I love fast cars. But i do not enjoy a V8 zooming past me on the freeway doing nearly 200. I also do not enjoy being tailgated by someone wanting desperately to race when im trying to go to the shops. These people need help, not glorification.

      Believe it or not, people who buy these cars do enjoy them a lot. They just dont need to toot their horn about it and race others to do so.

    • Edward

      If you want to be around cars on the road being ‘really driven’ then visit a track, not a public road. Im no angel myself, as i used to race people in the hills. But i do objectively notice that people in overpowered cars are an absolute nuisance on the roads.

      I love fast cars. But i do not enjoy a V8 zooming past me on the freeway doing nearly 200. I also do not enjoy being tailgated by someone wanting desperately to race when im trying to go to the shops. These people need help, not glorification.

      Believe it or not, people who buy these cars do enjoy them a lot. They just dont need to toot their horn about it and race others to do so.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/J7N76ZDLBNQVV6MPNB3BZMMEJQ H K

      @02c71fca6448a518d5f268d2b951e455:disqus ..  Get a cams license and hit the track against drivers with skill not mum taking the shopping home.  You will get totally owned but you will learn how to drive.

  • AMPendozo

    Just spotted BRZ parked outside of my office in Millers Point. Hot. Appeared to be a top spec trim, 17′ tyres, leather seats, gear stick and steering. Start/stop button. Red stitching. No GPS or touch screen. The car audio looks better than 86, I think they use one from the new impreza. Front dash is silver plastic not carbon imitation. No digital speedometer but could be just invisible when off. The rest looks exactly like GTS interior wise.

    • gt86.com.au

       I hope you took pics / videos? Send them to me please :)

      • ABCDEFG

        BRZ is not a Toyota GT 86 but despite the similarities :)

      • AMPendozo

        I have, but they seem to get declined when I post them here.

  • Alan

    At Last a sports car you can use everyday …

    • mrxandthexfactor

      And also, a five-star car from Big T, at last. 

  • mrxandthexfactor

    The spoiler featured on overseas models looks cool. Hope it come’s to Oz. 

  • Rodgersdean

    this thing would make a fantastic paddock basher!

    • Noddy

      Oh dear. I think you missed the point. Get an old EA for that, not a nice 30k coupe.

      • Rodgersdean

        old ea wont have any warranty

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/J7N76ZDLBNQVV6MPNB3BZMMEJQ H K

          Use fencing wire

  • Rocket

    If you rate yourself as a racing car driver on public roads why dont you get a life and do some laps of Lakeside so you can just kill yourself and not someone coming in the opposite direction. Too many deaths on Mt Glorious.

  • peddy.d

    I think it’s cars like the 86 that make being a motoring journalist one of the greatest if not the best job in the world. 

  • James Cortez

    I read roadandtrack this morning and boy did they praise the BRZ which is the twin. It’s got be good, really good.

  • Modern Man

    Need a comparo with a Renault Clio.

    Similar power and torque, similar weight.

    Front wheel vs rear wheel.

    On and off track.

    GTS vs Clio Cup (NOT Trophee) are similar price and specs.

    BRING IT ON.

  • ABCDEFG

    Can some one please review an automatic 86. Please don’t tell the people what they want to hear. But start with a clean slate and an open mind. Thanks.

  • PoisonEagle

    God I want one! Toyota PLEEEASE make a new Supra based on this, but with a twin turbo Flat-6!!! PLEEEEEEEEASE!!!

    • PoisonEagle

       Subaru could make a sister version: SVX/Vortex/Alcyone.

    • Piper Chieftan

      A Supra powered by a supercharged DI 3.5 V6 (2GR-FSE). 

      The DI 3.5 V6 as found in the Lexus IS350 and GS350 produces about 230kw / 380nm (thereabouts) so imagine if supercharged …  NICE !! 

  • PoisonEagle

    Flat 6 would be better for C.O.G, otherwise its just a 370Z isn’t it. 

  • OSU811

    Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact the $29,990 is BEFORE on road costs!!  so its real price including dealer delivery, stamp duty, rego etc is  likely to be at least! FROM $33,500 for std manual before any extras like window tint etc etc.. Still a BARGAIN imo..Give me the sed manual in a white manual please Mr Toyota..

    • OSU811

      std Manual that is!

    • Tommygola

      White GT Manual, mine is arriving in a week. Ok, so I am a dealer and it’s my demo but I have been waiting a long time for this. Finally a car to use when mates all go on track days! And i too cannot believe the price. Fantastic!

  • Sumpguard

      I wonder how many people realise Toyota’s first sports car was also had a boxer engine exactly 50 years ago?

       The one thing I don’t like about the car is the fact it runs on premium unleaded. However at $34,000 approx on road the fuel issue will take a back seat to the bargain pricing. Waiting times are already out to two months and growing and some people are offering up to $3000 extra to jump the queue. On a toyota!! Who’d have thunk it?  

    • Sumpguard

      Oh and if you want one at that price you’d better get in quick! There are already suggestions the price will rise in 6 months time.

  • Frailer5

    I don’t know why people get hung up about 95/98 RON fuel. I’ve done the (tedious) tests. You get back most of the extra outlay in improved economy. Plus; lower engine noise, taking care of lines/injectors/heads. (I know, it also depends how smart your EMS is in recognising it, as well).
    Not surprised at the waiting list on these, though, at that price. Clever marketing from a still-powerful company> I wonder if there’s internal price transfer? Or, they anticipate high sales, therefore unit costs down if they can ramp production up. Maybe.

  • Freddy

    I like the idea of a car that is fun while being legal
    Turbos are no good here – by the time they are spooled up, you are well over the speed limit
    That is where my MkI MR2 with supercharger was so much fun, power on early
    Maybe a supercharger would be good on this – don’t know what they are like on a boxer 

  • ABCDEFG

    Do you think 3-4 years later it will be $29,900 or $27,990 drive away no more to pay? As far as I know, the car prices all drop as the model ages. Also by then, all of the bugs and design faults will be cleaned up (all products have bugs on initial launch). Further more, there will be mid life face lift which corrects and improves the product with extra goodies thrown in. I will get the mid life face lift with improvements 2-3 years down the road and $27,990 – $29,990 drive away no more to pay, despite what Toyota says about increasing the price due to strong demand, that’s marketing trying to rush people into buying it.

    • Sumpguard

         Not this one. I doubt toyota are making much on this at all to be honest. This car is a statement!  A message to other manufacturers.

          I don’t believe they need to rush anyone into buying it either. At $29,000 those who are in the market for this car have alreay made the decision to get in the queue. It won’t ever be $27,990 drive away.

      • ABCDEFG

        ” I doubt toyota are making much on this at all to be honest.” this car is meant to be a low cost, high volume sports car for the masses and it’s based on the Impreza platform with the Impreza parts and engine with DI added. The original AE85/86/Sprinter was an affordable sports car based on the Corolla. So I doubt it will be priced much higher than a typical small car such as the Impreza/Mazda3/Corolla once the dust settles from the 86′s current “flavour of the month” hooha.

  • ABCDEFG

    Toyota USA specifies premium fuel 91 RON fuel or higher for the 86 (Scion FR-S). Over there, premium is 91 RON. Most of the Shell petrol stations over in the States don’t have fuel higher than 91. The E10 93 RON fuel over in the USA is labeled as premium. Their standard petrol is 87 RON. People in the USA 86 forums mostly run 91 RON and some 87 RON. Despite the high compression, direct injected engines don’t really have the knocking (pre-detonation) problem as the fuel gets injected when it’s time to fire.

    But why does Toyota Aus call for a minimum of 98 RON? Many service stations in Aus don’t even have that.

    • Jaso

      The USA uses Motor Octane Number (MON) not Research Octane Number (RON) like in Australia. I’m not going to explain the difference but basically their ’87 unleaded’ is equivalent to Australian ’91 unleaded’ and their ’91 unleaded’ is equivalent to Australian ‘Premium 95′ and so on. So if they’re specifying 91 octane (MON) over in the USA for the Scion FR-S then that’s equivalent to Australian Premium 95 or higher.

      Not sure where you live but 98 RON is available everywhere here in Adelaide. If it wasn’t then I wouldn’t be driving an MR2 SW20 turbo lol.

  • Nada

    A little bit of advice, please leave the car as is, don’t paint it yellow, don’t put a trolley handle bar of a spoiler on it and ditch the big a-hole exhaust. 

  • Sarah

    Personally I have seen all 3 that are in brisbane at the moment, there are 2 silver and one black, the back of them is the part that I don’t like, it’s too boxed up for my liking but otherwise a nice car. A friend of my sister’s boyfriend own’s one and paid $47,000 for his and was also told the waiting list is now at 6 months (hence only 3 in brisbane)

  • bukwudcupz bad boy

    wotz da pointe of dis ka homz ???

    an evo ix will kik itz asre!!!!!

  • Joshy-001

    the toyota 86 was designed to b a car tht can be tuned, it is a car built for car enthusiasts, aka people who will modify the car. and also the 86 was built to b like an old sports car, so without all this new technology, it wants the driver to drive the car, not the car drive the driver. and of course it isnt a smooth ride coz it has stiff suspension in it on purpose, and this simple reason is so that if you want the back end to slide out it, it will easily do so, and show to everyone that you dont need a big engine to go sideways. go on youtube and watch the videos on the 86 (the jap ones) and it will explian exactly wat the car is designed for and why they made things certain ways. if you want to put your foot down and feel the torque buy a v8, the 86 is meant for corners so you can just simply throw it around. and everyone should really stop complianing that it only has 200hp, for a small enigine that is not bad, and considering there is turbo kits and supercharger kits for the 86 means that the chassis can handle these modifications. my current car is a stock 1.8L lancer and while holdens and fords may be in front on straights as soon as it comes to a corner they have nothing, and i have beaten commonwhores off the lights, so if my lancer that is 12 years old is capable of that, i could only imagine what the 86 can do. and only being a p-plater i couldnt think of  a car id much rather drive then this

    • Joshy-001

      and i wouldnt mind getting the gts option pack, just have look at the body kit it comes with, and as an added bonus you get (i think from memory it was) slotted rotors, so i dont see as why ppl would b complianing about this car, its a cheap sports car, if you want something more situated to ur driving and want to spend the extra dosh, dnt buy the toyota 86 and dnt brag it out

  • Dennis

    Just turned 70 and ordered 86 GTS, will join 335i in garage, why would they produce an auto?