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Toyota develops rear window curtain shield airbag

By Alborz Fallah |

You won’t find any passenger cars sold in Australia that don’t at least offer driver side airbags. Safety technology has improved considerably over the last decade, so much so that some cars now come with 10 airbags, yet, there are still more vacant positions for the life saving feature.

Rear window curtain shield airbag

Toyota has just announced it has developed the world’s first SRS (Supplemental Restraint System) rear window curtain shield airbag.

Where does it go? Between the rear window and the rear passengers head, protecting the occupants’ heads in the event of a rear-end collision.

Toyota iQ 2008 Geneva Motor Show

The new airbag deploys from the the roof lining and we should expect to see the technology used first in Toyota’s little four-seater iQ car.  The Big T says the rear airbag will approximately double the iQ’s rear passenger head protection performance.

Toyota has also outlined an initiative to help develop safer cars.

  1. Development of even safer vehicles and technologies
  2. Participation in the creation of a safe traffic environment, and
  3. Activities designed to educate people on traffic safety.

 
  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Another example of Toyota leading the charge. Safety, economy, durability and reliability. How can you argue with a company that continuously strives to improve transport for all mankind?
    WELL DONE TOYOTA

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Leading the charge?

    They aren’t the leaders in safety.

    They aren’t the leaders in vehicle dynamics.

    They aren’t the leaders in fuel economy.

    Do you work for Toyota?

  • http://faster DanMan

    Adam,
    if not then who is?
    Toyota are not bad for such a small company… they will be big one day i think…

    Salesman,

    Nice flame bait!
    Every Auto company in the world wishes they had the success of toyota (and a few that dont sell cars). One of my capacaties is working for the Toyota motor comany and there ‘are ahead of the curve’ in a way you cant imagine..
    Somewhere in the today they are having a meeting, working out out how to get Adam to buy a Toyota.
    You might as well start liking them because they are going to be around for a very long time..

  • JEYKL & HYDE

    mr salesman,
    sell me a dream,
    make it more boring,than i’ve ever seen,
    make it expensive,more than it “ort ta”
    it make the shiny badge read “TOYOTA”,
    salesman,
    i’m all alone,
    never had a decent car to call my own,
    please turn on your magic “sheen”,
    mr salesman,sell me a dream…..

    YOU MAKE ME SICK….

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    danmam…

    Who is for what?

    Toyota a small company!?? are you serious!?

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Adam,
    No, i do not work for Toyota. If there is an opportunity to in the future I would work for them.

    DanMan,
    I can’t help myself; it is the mischievous little boy inside me.
    Like moths to a flame they will flock, each time only to find scorching heat. I just like lighting candles.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    The Salesman…

    You sound like a walking advertisment for Toyota, maybe they may offer you a job…

    Lighting candles? is that what they call it these days? sprouting inaccurate information to make yourself sound more informed than what you really are?

  • http://faster DanMan

    1) Price
    2) Styling
    3) The brand
    4) Resale
    5) Fuel efficiency
    6) Reliability
    7) Vehicle Dynamics
    7) Engine performance
    8) Safety features
    9) Number of seats
    10) Exhaust emissions
    Toyota’s lead in most of these area’s…
    I was being sarcastic in my ‘small company’ comment.

    Question which no-one can answer; why then if you bag them can you explain why people (who spend your annual salary on a car) buy so many Toyota’s?

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    I just give credit where credit is due Adam, please, this website is meant for constructive criticism, not outright slander, if you have a fact, state it.
    And I must now give credit to JEYKL & HYDE. I laughed so hard my stomach still hurts and I had tears. Well done sir…Well done

  • http://faster DanMan

    BTW the two companies that pose the biggest threat to Toyota In the marketplace are Honda And Hyundai. Holden (GM) and Ford will be bankrupt by the end of 2009.
    So everthing you think you know about cars is going to change in the next two years…
    Lets get back to argueing about our invisible friends… (you know these companies we like!)

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Danman,

    Must i inform another bonhead, seriously. Do you even work in the auto sector or do you just have your ‘own’ ideas on how things really are?

    people buy so many Toyota’s!? i’ll answer that simple question for you…

    Mazda matches Toyota for RETAIL sales units, Toyota’s volume is predominately FLEET SALES, just like FORD and HOLDEN.

    The general public isn’t buying anymore Toyota’s than Mazda’s.

    ok.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    The salesman…

    Please…slander?

    I did state a fact, you on the other hand did not.

    You can also drop the ‘act’

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Danman…

    Would you like to place a bet on the Ford and Holden being bankrupt by the end of 2009???

    Want to back up your silly comments?

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Adam, i have read all your threads, where are the facts?
    I can hear your keybord getting a bashing, slow down or you will blow a vein

  • http://faster DanMan

    ‘Must i inform another bonhead, seriously. Do you even work in the auto sector or do you just have your ‘own’ ideas on how things really are?’(another? apart from you?)
    100397 bronze fleet code, single ABN holder. This is the largest Fleet category in Australia. Forget Rio tinto Coles/Myer group and Toll holdings, this is the fleet categorie that represents the biggest fleet sale of the biggest selling vehicle in Aust for the past 4 years (thats 4×2 & 4×4 Hilux).
    Single abn qualification compromise’s People with 1 to 10 toyota’s or the ability to have 1 to 10 toyotas in there ‘fleet’
    What do you think a fleet was..? Mum’s and Dads salary sacrifice these days.. they are Fleet too.
    Still i do this every day (car sales) you buy every three years (at most) who is going to know more about it…

    EPIC FAIL FOR YOU.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    I said you were incorrect about Toyota being the leader in every way.
    again, you can stop the ‘act’.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    So who is leading in automobile safety, reliability and durability Adam? We want to bask in your knowledge.

  • http://faster DanMan

    Adam,
    When a company doesn’t have enough money to pay creditors what they’re owed, it’s considered insolvent. By this definition, GM is insolvent. The American automaker’s working capital stands at negative $20b. Cash outflow for the half year through June 30 remains negative, at over seven billion dollars. And it’s getting worse, as cash calls arrive on a regular– and irregular– basis. There’s no more credit to tap, and GM has few assets of meaningful value left to sell. Oh yeah, GM’s gonna file for bankruptcy. Then what?

    The timing of GM’s C11 depends on its management’s psychology. At some point, somewhere around the $10b-in-the-bank mark, CEO Rick Wagoner, COO Fritz Henderson and CFO Ray Young will realize that they can no longer maintain “plausible deniability.” In other words, GM’s managers’ fiduciary responsibilities will compel them to enter bankruptcy protection with some cash rather than none– lest they lose control of their company in the reorganization to follow.

    GM will file for bankruptcy late in the day, early or in the middle of month, right before the automaker has to pay its suppliers. The filing will be just a few pages of legalese– nothing grandiose. Only the news media, Washington DC and the general public will react with shock. Wall Street will not be surprised; the stock market won’t crater. By the time the company cries uncle, only true believers will own GM stock. Within hours of the filing, GM will be de-listed from the NYSE. Dow Jones will remove GM from the DJ Industrial Index.

    From Wall street journal and the truth about cars, today.
    Did you know the internet can be used to find out information? Crazy i know, and you thought it was for facebook/myspace…

  • JEYKL & HYDE

    mr salesman,
    re-ambition – been there,done that,and as celene dion once sang-”think twice”,or if your a young fellow,maybe “i believe the grass is no greener on the other side”karma,savage garden

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am.

    Shine on you crazy diamond

    Country roads, take me home, to the place, I belong.

    I’m a walking the rain, to the part where I feel the pain, wishing you were here by me, to end this misery and I wonder.

    Oh lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz, my friends all ride horses

    Been there well before i would say, Mr. JEYKL & HYDE

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Tha salesman…

    1. Toyota does not lead in automobile safety, that would be the Volvo, Merc, Saab and BMW.

    2. Toyota leads in ‘some’ reliability surveys, while even Ford matches Toyota in the US on some of these surveys.

    You forgot to ask about economy.

    Do you see me making bold statements that one vehicle producer leads the world in every major vehicle requirment?

  • Tim

    Whatever people say about Toyota’s, they are a leading brand in the world. They might look a bit dull and, but they know what they are doing and deserve to be the leader.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Danman…

    Again will you stand behind your earlier statement that Gma and Ford will be bankrupt by the end of 2009??

  • Reckless1

    Toyota’s such a leader in safety, you can’t even get ESP on the Corolla.

    Yeah, baby, Toyota rules on safety.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    danman…

    I work in car sales also…bonehead.

    toyota pushes Fleet sales like Ford and Holden used to do.

    Mazda, Honda, Subaru do not…

    Higher sales does not always equal higher profits, what do you think is more important in the long run??

  • VW_Freak

    Adam (aka Mada) Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    “1. Toyota does not lead in automobile safety, that would be the Volvo, Merc, Saab and BMW.”

    That was the case 10 or 15 years ago, but things have changed now. Most of the manufacturers are all leaders in safety (except the dodgy Chinese).

    Anyways, the IQ is such a small car – if it was run up the arse pretty hard I don’t reckon the rear passengers would stand much of a chance. And besides, they’re so tiny in the back that the offset dash for the front passenger allows one adult in rear, only a child would be able to sit behind the driver (that’s if the driver is tall).

  • VW_Freak

    Reckless1 Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    “Toyota’s such a leader in safety, you can’t even get ESP on the Corolla.”

    Just a heads up for you, Corolla will have VSC from December 08 production onwards. About bloody time Toyota!

  • Frontman

    100397 bronze fleet code, single ABN holder. This is the largest Fleet category in Australia. Forget Rio tinto Coles/Myer group and Toll holdings, this is the fleet categorie that represents the biggest fleet sale of the biggest selling vehicle in Aust for the past 4 years (thats 4×2 & 4×4 Hilux).
    Oh Geeez I just pooped myself :-( We’ve got a BIGSHOT who thinks being treated like a number just to get an over inflated price bought back to a reality makes them great and the company brilliant. Any body with an ABN can just walk up and get a discount from Ford Holden Mazda and the rest……..

  • Dlr1

    Back on topic boys and girls. Good move with this type of airbag, most small hatchbacks could benefit from this type of device, and i suspect most manufacturers will offer something similar within a few years.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Toyota is not the world safety leader, thats the point.
    The prestige brands i mentioned are above the mainstream brands for crash safety.

    Heck even FORD’s FG falcon beats TOYOTA’s aurion for crash performance.

    Ford would outperform Toyota across the world when it comes to individual crash scores of each of Fords and Toyota’s current on sale models.

    toyota develops a new airbag in the rear of the tiny IQ and some here proclaim Toyota to be the best!? what gabbage.
    Some manaufactures have developed more effective primary safety features that Toyota doesn’t even offer as yet.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    frontman…

    Exactly.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    So why isn’t Ford out selling Toyota Adam?, Why did they just slip from fifth to sixth place in global manufacture.
    You guys asked the questions, we just gave the answers.
    Stay on topic.
    It is clear people see more value in Toyota, than any other product, are you saying you are right and 9.36 Million people are wrong?

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Sorry third to fourth

  • http://faster DanMan

    ‘Oh Geeez I just pooped myself We’ve got a BIGSHOT who thinks being treated like a number just to get an over inflated price bought back to a reality makes them great and the company brilliant. Any body with an ABN can just walk up and get a discount from Ford Holden Mazda and the rest…….. ‘
    Well why dont you… Oh that’s right you cant afford too..

    ‘Ford would outperform Toyota across the world when it comes to individual crash scores of each of Fords and Toyota’s current on sale models.’
    Kinda redundent when one is going bankrupt in the near future….

    At least Toyota will be here in 2012,2015,2020…
    My company is doing fine, sorry to hear about yours…

  • Frontman

    Actually Volvo, Mercedes VWAG and Bosch are the world recognised leaders in Safety. As for Rear SRS Airbags, the reason why no one has had them before is simply that there has never been a requirement!! I mean, really? Do you honestly think that if you are in the back seat of a Yaris (insert Polo Fiesta or forfour if you don’t want to be offended) and that Landcruiser (or what ever so as not to offend the thin skins) doesn’t stop in time the air bag is really going to save a life???
    SRS is a cheaper way of designing safety. IF you design a better floorpan an Skeleton you can get by without all the airbags. (most recent point in case {cring I can hear it now though} is the FG).Toyota the leader in Marketing BS.

    When I read what the salesman and DAnman have to say, at first it was entertaining, now it’s just plain Nauseating. :-(
    When are you people going to realise that Toyota is NOT the leading brand everywhere. They are big in Australia, South east asia and the middle east. The have a notable presence in the States, and exist in Europe. Nissan is Bigger (and more highly regarded in the States & Europe FFS.)
    Toyota build good cars. They are still a long way from being great cars. They sell a lot of cars (according to VFACTS) but next time you’re at the airport look at the HERTZ / AVIS / BUDGET etc. fleets. Tell me which State Premeir over the last 5 years has not been wined and dined in Japan by Toyota? Tell me which State GOvernment isn’t writting it’s tenders to suit specific Toyota product? (Aust Made Four Cylinders???) (6 Seat 2wd Dual Cab??) but selling the most amount of cars doesn’t make you a great car manufacturer. Bugati sell what? 5 > 10 per year, but does that mean Toyotas are better than them? Volkswagon AG don’t sell as many vehicles but are more highly regarded (except by two(?) people) and they make more money per car (world figures) and are gaining in every market. But Toyota globally out sells them So I guess Toyota are Better???
    Back to topic good on them for comming up with another marketing tool that will undoubtably become the catch cry of the do gooders. Another answer to a problem that didn’t exist.

  • Andrew M

    The salesman,
    its a similar question that the toyota guys cant answer.

    we all know toyota loyals hate the commodore, then how is it that it lays claim to the long time #1 seller spanning over a decade.

  • http://faster DanMan

    Anyway although this model will never be sold in Australia at least they spend the millions to Engineer the saftey right….

    And yes the FG is the safest Full size car on sale in Australia… Doesn’t really matter in the long run..
    ‘i’m the healthiest guy in Intensive care sums that up’..

    There is such a difference between the way FRONTMAN post’s and the way i write you can tell who is correct. At least my opinions and facts are inter-changable…
    Guess that comes from years and years of experience…

  • Frontman

    The slip in Ford is very easy to explain (and has already happened to Toyota) it is tied in with the Collapse of the US economy. This has been happening for the last 12> 18 months that and has been discussed widely on (of all things) a particular brand forum. Toyta went through it when Japans economy collapsed not so long ago, but they were in the lucky possiton of the Japanese economy not collapsing at the same time as the rest of the world having a slow down and Crude Oil prices being at all time highs. If you bothered to look outside of the automotive industry and see what else was happening you would see that even long term banks are closing, media organisation are having layoffs etc. Look at Ford Europe and you will see that they are far stronger than Toyota. Also if you looked a model breakdowns in SE asian countries you would see Ford Thailand is more than holding it’s own. General Motors is in similar situations (though not as solid in Europe). If the Credit Squeeze gets any worse, you might find your mighty Toyota will also have come crashing down in a hurry (it does have a lot of exposure at present).
    And in case you haven’t realised something, although I believe you are just unable to respond sensibly to the other brands, there are more than just three brands of cars on the market.
    Danman, don’t be so certain that I can’t just walk up and buy something. You are obviously clever enough to assertain that about someone you’ve never met by a few lines on a blog site, perhaps you should come and work for me.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    The Australian new car market is currently undergoing a huge shift, in line with global trends. Toyota will continue to get stronger, Korea and Thailand are going to take the rest of the market, China and India are the new Koreans.
    I am well placed to benefit.
    You are obviously very passionate Mr. Frontman but you are singing from a well worn and very old sheet, nothing you have stated I didn’t already know. But thanks for taking the time.
    As I said, Toyota are leading the charge, read into that as you like.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    The Salesman Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am
    Another example of Toyota leading the charge. Safety, economy, durability and reliability. How can you argue with a company that continuously strives to improve transport for all mankind?
    WELL DONE TOYOTA

    This was the original incorrect statement, i answered it. simple.
    Toyota exceeds in reliability, NOT SAFETY or ECONOMY.

    Danman…
    Ford and GM will still exist past 2010, heck Ford is over 100 years old and GM just recently celebrated thier 100.
    Toyota has just come of age over the last 15-20 years.
    Your delusional if you think Ford and GM will go bankrupt.
    I atke it all bets are off??

  • Flying High

    Unfortunately for Toyota, rear head airbags does not an exciting car make. There is nothing. and I mean nothing, in the Toyota stable, at least here in Oz, that could be called a hero car. And if they think that the the charged up FWD Aurion is it, they are well short of the mark. Ho hum. Rear airbags? whoopee… The current production line up includes boring cars for boring people doing boring uninterested driving. No wonder they need extra ‘safety’ features. zzzz.

  • http://faster DanMan

    Frontman,
    I dont really have to say anything, people paid far more than i am already do. Holden and Ford will be here in Australia by 2012. This is a sad fact and actually bad for toyota… This is when Hyundai and Kia will explode in this country and fill the void by the departure of the Americans..
    Ford in NA bad position has little to do with the ‘credit crunch’ and a lot to do with a stupid SUV heavy lineup that was their ‘cash cow’. A few cyclones and petrol hit 4$ a gallon and the SUV’s where in freefall.GM is worse, far worse. Chysler will go, GM will go and probably suck ford down with them.
    I read about about 15 industry website’s a day.. want tthe links to expand your horizon’s? you wont like what you read, but. My problem on this site is i never tell people what they want to hear…

  • http://faster DanMan

    Adasm,
    Lehmann Bros where 158 years old. Dead as of last Monday.. It doesn’t matter..
    The biggest casualties from a GM bankruptcy: Chrysler and Ford. Of course, Chrysler’s already toast. It’s only a matter of time before they go into liquidation. But Ford will face an epic internal struggle to avoid C11, and resulting loss of Ford family control. After the initial pall, when GM’s killer deals come on-stream, The General will steal food directly from FoMoCo’s table.

    But once Ford files, and Chrysler goes into liquidation, the no-longer-Ford-family-controlled automaker will be able to clean its house and match GM’s deals.

    FROM “THE TRUTH ABOUT CARS.COM”
    you should google this site, it will rock you world…

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Do you wanna have a bet with me?

  • Andrew M

    nothing like patting yourself on the back, hey Salesman???

  • Frontman

    Not worried about the websites, as I not only read (part requirement of my job) but I am very heavily in the industry (aka my business relies upon the industry). Given that (some) Journo’s are not exactly the best form of information I tend not to believe all they post.
    As for the US market, you are forgetting that Toyota had also gone extremely heavy into the SUV line up in the states, Umm 9 out of seventeen vehilces is fairly heavy I’d say. The Fuel rise is NOT the reason they are where they are, it is the agreements with UAW and the totally untennable retirement and health plans that were basically sucking the manufacturers dry. These weren’t a problem to Toyota Nissan and the Europeans in th US as they came along after the reality of these systems was uncovered. Also the lack of ability to build vehicles to a standard to suit the rest of the world (and yes believe it or not Toyota does “Dumb” down it’s cars for the US domestic market) have also been a crucial fault. Cadillac and Corvette have always aspired to be world class, but have always driven like they were 10 years behind.
    The SUV problem was an overnight thing (not a slow down turn that can be forseen) so no manufacturer that is making money on a product (f series has been the best selling vehicle in the states for 18 of the last 19 years) is going to be planning on dumping it to create a market that (at the time ) doesn’t exist.
    As for Ford not being here in 2012, that’s pure fantasy. they are the most proactive manufacturer in the US at the current time in responding to the market change and CAFE laws. I know as a Toytoa fan you are probably going to want to dispute that, but lets name a few programs that are selling, nearing sale, or are out testing on the road right now (and this list also includes Europe and Australia). Hybrid vehilces like Escape have been Taxi’s for over 3 years and are available to the Public. CNG has been available since the early 90′s. Low emission diesels, and now econetic diesels, super low consumption and out put in everyday cars with public prefered driver feel. D-LPG and Di D-LPG both fuel types have been constantly used and under developement for 4, 6 & 8cyl engines. High torque small capacity efficient engines like eco-boost are starting to be slotted into 09 model year vehicles NOW! This all cost money so of course with a massive R&D outlay, combined with a Massive down turn in your core market and a finacial crash in your home country are going to make anyone look horrible, sometimes you must lose the battle to win the war.

  • http://faster DanMan

    The stock market futures sector kinda agree’s with me….
    As does any financial planner for a hedge fund… So does anyone who turned down the top job at ford last week. A poisoned chalace as it were.

  • http://faster DanMan

    It can’t. Think of it this way: no one in Detroit wakes-up in the morning and says “How can I create a crap car today?” What you see at the dealership is the best they can do. Ford, GM and Chrysler aren’t dying because a lack of funds. (Lest we forget, they were RAKING it in during the SUV boom.) They’re on the ropes because of their greed, sloth, arrogance, stupidity and insularity. Your $25b+ ain’t gonna change that.

    Common sense says that The Big 2.8 can’t compete in the future because they haven’t been able to compete in the past. If they could have, they would have. And if they had, or even looked like they could in the future, someone other than you and me would have been happy to lend them the money to do it.

    Oh wait! They already did! Look how THAT turned out. GM has burned every stick of furniture in its corporate house– and it’s still paying over $250m in interest on its debt. Ford has hocked everything up to and including its logo. Chrysler is on private equity life support, only a RAM away from total collapse.

    Throwing federal tax money at this situation is worse than pissing in the wind; it’s like buying an alcoholic a brewery.

    Please do NOT tell me that the plug-in electric – gas Chevy Volt will reinvent the automobile for all time and, by the way, save GM from bankruptcy. Or that a hybrid Chrysler minivan will end our dependence on foreign oil and breathe new life into ChryCo’s rigor-ridden corpse. Or that the Ford Fiesta will usher in a new generation of high margin small cars for the Blue Oval Boyz, and keep Bill Ford from taking the bus to work. Hail Mary, schmail Mary. It’s too little, too late.

    While Motown’s planning on using our taxes to try and reinvent itself as a profitable maker of something other than large SUVs and pickup trucks, its competitors are busy reinvesting their profits, creating new and/or improved non-truck vehicles that sell in sufficient quantities (at enough of a price premium) to maintain the profits so they can reinvest enough money to maintain their lead over Detroit and (they hope) everyone else. Funny how that works. Or, in Detroit’s case, doesn’t.

    No matter. Detroit’s short-term future doesn’t depend on its near-future products. Chrysler, Ford and GM’s survival now depends on their ability to convince the Department of Energy (DOE) to change the rules for their share of the $25b low-interest federal loans, so they can somehow use the cash to keep the lights on.

    Good luck with that. Contrary to popular opinion, I predict that the Department of Energy will not bow to political pressure and hurry their due diligence for Detroit. The Big 2.8 may not run out of excuses. But they will run out of time.

    Reproduced courtesy of truthaboutcars. Oppps.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Oh brother.

  • http://faster DanMan

    so to repeat, Why are GM,Ford,chrysler begging for 25B from the US govt and ALL Toyota factories are at full capacity and cant meet the demand?
    Toyo Aust biggest problem is supply. We cant get enough vehicles for our demand. Apart from oddball spec cars no Toyota sits on a yard for nintey days… Toyota had to introduce a web tracking system for the customers to stop complaints while they waited for there cars… They why you see camry ads so much during 60 minutes… We CAN supply them… Camry is 27990 d/away during October.. Yes neither you or i would want one but thousands do..

  • Frontman

    Yep GM is going to crash, Ford is floundering in it’s own cesspit and finacial planners are the seers of the Future. Ask any retiree or person neering retirement about the wisdom of finacial planners and their ability to pick a product.
    Again I come back to the fact that whilst I have stood up for Ford in this thread, I have at no stage said they were the best at anything. But you still choose to only look at them and GM. Could this be because your level of expertise is purely domestic? As I have continually said, Toyota are good but they are far from world leaders in Automotive Technology of any sorts.
    The way you right your comments shows that you are blinded by the machine. As for your experience over mine, assumption has been the downfall of many a great theorist. The thing I like about blogs is that for a few hour I can remain annonomys. I come here to see what the machine is doing and how well it is working and where I need to be, I enjoy the banter and I chuckle at how far some people get swallowed up and blindly lead by the marketers. I do not care if you chose not to believe or accept what I say, my world will not stop. But if you chose to follow up some research on what I write, you may be surprised.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Andrew M,

    My superiors pat my back enough.

    Frontman Says,
    The way you right your comments shows that you are blinded by the machine.
    Turns out a lit candle can attract some interesting moths Frontman, but I fear you are living in a dream world. The Matrix has you!
    I too come here to be entertained. So thanks….

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Your wasting your efforts Frontman.

    Toyota, according to the sheep who believe a well concieved marketing effort are perfect in everyway.

    Thats why VW is the one to watch worldwide and why Toyota is a nobody in Europe.

  • Frontman

    DanMan Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
    so to repeat, Why are GM,Ford,chrysler begging for 25B from the US govt and ALL Toyota factories are at full capacity and cant meet the demand?
    Toyo Aust biggest problem is supply. We cant get enough vehicles for our demand. Apart from oddball spec cars no Toyota sits on a yard for nintey days… Toyota had to introduce a web tracking system for the customers to stop complaints while they waited for there cars… They why you see camry ads so much during 60 minutes… We CAN supply them… Camry is 27990 d/away during October.. Yes neither you or i would want one but thousands do..

    How many Toyotas do you want? The only ones that I know of that have real supply dramas are the Hiace’s. I can get any Hilux ar cruiser within 8 weeks. Camry’s and Aurions must be the oddball stuff as they are plentiful, and Corolla has just done a major fleet buy with Bluecare (prices close to Yaris). Hetz also, in the second qtr took a huge amount of Aurions and Canru’s at a price that even Ford wouldn’t come at with BF2, so obviously a major backlog of product. We can source Hilux’s easier than Rangers at present. Toyota has also this week announced that it is reducing its forecast of global sales as a result of the market downturn.
    You said that you quoted facts and that was the difference with your writing and mine, about time you actually read what I write and you will see that I might just know a lot more than you give me credit for.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    And salesman continues his ‘act’.

    A new airbag design and Toyota is ‘leading the charge’

    and ‘continues to improve transport for all mankind’

    He must work in marketing.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Frontman…

    correct.

    You wanna see how many Toyota’s we have from Hertz…thousands.

    Toyota is chasing fleet sales in order to maintain market leadership.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Adam,
    I don’t think you will sleep tonight, if you do my comments will haunt your dreams. OOOWWWW the Salesman’s coming to get you.
    Don’t change Adam, keep wearing your heart on your sleeve.
    I am sure it wont effect every aspect of your life, or will it…….
    >>>>>>End Scene

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    I sleep perfectly fine :) do you?

    Afterall you are a ‘salesman’.

  • Frontman

    Carefull Adam, some bloke with slick back hair stripped shirt and tie with a moblie phone plastered to his ear is chassing you ;-)

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    :D I better watch my back!!

  • Frontman

    I love the “TRUE BELIEVERS”:-) Toyota nad Japan could have used this pair 68 years ago.
    Wonder how they explain that their beloved company’s No1 dealer has failed to hit target for the 3rd month running?
    Well it’s been an amusing couple of hours Adam, will catch up on other Toyota threads no doubt…………

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Today i made a $360.00 commission on one sale that took about 20mins.
    Plus wage,
    Plus bonuses,
    Plus car allowance,
    Plus Incentives like overseas trips (off to Korea for a week, all expenses paid)
    What is it like earning the same wage, week in, week out?. I wouldn’t know
    Yes, I sleep VERY well……

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Frontman,

    No dealer has hit their target for the last three months.

  • WVB

    the comments here are far better reading than the article. come to think, what was article about again…………..

  • Frontman

    The Saleman, I shudder to think I’ve been speaking to someone of your brilliance. I am NOT Worthy!!!
    Korea is very nice, the people will treat you absolute respect and the nightlife is excellent. Especially when you are a guest of one of their manufacturers. Oh and don’t forget to declare that you were there on your tax for the year.
    As for the retainer and a measly $360.00 comm, hate to say this but some people have passed those figures long ago. What gives with car allowance, No way would I have ever given any staff a car allowance. They would always be in new vehicles and the better they are the better the vehicle. Average Salesperson gets Corolla, Good Sales Person gets Aurion SPortivo.
    You are still young, you will learn that the best salespeople are the ones who have out grown their ego and stopped having to refer everything to the manager or DP. You will learn that the road to a sale (that old way that doesn’t work) works so much better without the overblown ego and listening and learning from what goes on around you. But hey what wqould I know, as if someone who questions the superiority of Toyota would have any idea whats going on.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Yep no doubt Frontman, look forward to it!

    So now it’s down to personal incomes!! wow.

    The used vehicle market has been screwed for the past 3 months, so individual comission levels, including yours salesman, would be lower as a result…
    I know how it works, i’m paid similar perks and wages.

    There are busy times and slow times.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Well said Frontman!

  • Frontman

    The Salesman Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    Frontman,

    No dealer has hit their target for the last three months.

    Could (if I wanted people to know who I am) Name 5 dealers who have not missed getting 110% of target this year. 2 are Aust built vehicles, 1 semi luxury Japanese, 1 Mainstream Jap and 1 Korean.
    All clients of mine. So yes people are still selling and the market is only down if you believe so.

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    new or used?

  • http://faster DanMan

    Sorry was away delivering 140k worth of product to Caboolture North of Brisabne… Was talking to the clients about this thread actually whilst doing the paperwork.. Asked the clients (a millionaire) why he chose the Toyota.
    He said people with money tend to be pretty conservative and the Toyota was the Lowest risk he could ever choose and they will be in business for the next twenty years easy… (toyota) Any other Brand you know of DEFINATLY going to be here in twenty years. Are YOU going to be here intwenty years?
    Actually my grandfather probably killed about 2-300 Japenese during ww2 in his job as an artillery observer in Balikpapan in NG.
    Funny how 68 years later a Japenese Company has made me quite well off….
    Time heals all wounds i guess.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Frontman,

    Sounds like we are of similar standing
    Our staff have the option of car or car allowance (Some don’t want to pay the FBT) Yes Korea is nice, so is Thailand, LA and Japan. $360.00 was for 20mins work, that’s not bad for a Korean product (Salesman too busy drinking coffee to notice the customer, so I did it) Yes my Ego is huge, and it has every right to be.
    Please don’t get me wrong, I am not looking for a slinging match. You have your opinions and beliefs; I think Danman is more on the ball. Most others are just armchair warriors.

  • http://faster DanMan

    10 Northern Region Dealers of my Product achieved 105% (or greater) of their target in September.
    gross profit slighty down YTD but volume is steady..
    And another drop in interest rates likely next week.

  • http://faster DanMan

    ‘Wonder how they explain that their beloved company’s No1 dealer has failed to hit target for the 3rd month running?

    Thats Sci Fleet at kedron NO?’

    Hmmm I think they will be ok.. 15th largest Toyo dealer in the world!! Amazing..

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    I now can see why a small number taint the general view of the car salesman.

  • http://faster DanMan

    Any FRONTMAN,
    At the end of the day i respect your points of veiw, really.
    As you may have guessed i get quite passionate about arguments and never give up.EVER.
    It’s good to have others to Argue about cars with.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Well obviously my market is smaller, did not miss target by much, in fact I have secured a larger market share to this moth become the number one provincial dealer, not bad for a coastal dealer up against dealers with bigger PMA’s. Profit could always be better, we all know that.

  • JEYKL & HYDE

    frontman,i met a bloke last week,an independant consultant working for a few major manufactorers.started from nothing,got to d.p. of a major bmw dealership.razor sharp,motivated…in short,really good bloke.he knew “the best of”most dealers,baised on their satisfaction index,reputation etc….anyway you sound just like him..you have my respect,and my “ears”.this days blog has been great….

  • http://faster DanMan

    Jeykl & hyde.

    If this contact is in Brisbane, I know him…
    Frontman, Not blinded by any machine but fair enough i must sound like it.. Just naturally argumentative (it’s my job and i am good at it LOL)
    If someone attacked the Skoda brand i would be equally passionate i guess…

    RESPECT!

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Adam (aka Mada) Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    I now can see why a small number taint the general view of the car salesman.

    Adam, who are you trying to offend. Danman, Frontman and I are all involved in sales as you claim to be?
    Be involved by all means but quit the insults. There is a difference between wit and outright slander

  • Frenchie

    Well that was interesting reading……..Not!

    I’m with you guys “Adam” and “frontman”. Toyota sells alot of cars, but most of them fleet. Was the Hiace in the top ten vehicles sold in Australia. Actually Hiace appears in the top ten twice if you seperate them into their 4×2 and 4×4 categories. I can assure you these vehicles are not very economical nor are they the safest on the market.

    Anyway, I have a question to ask. What does this rear window airbag do? Protect you from shattering glass.

  • Glen

    If one of Danman or the Salesman is not Dingo Im not here.

    Leader in Safety?? Toyota is far from it. Id be saying Merc. Plus 5 star ANCAP rating for FG Falcon, without curtain airbags, 4 stars for Aurion with curtain Airbags

    Leader in Economy?? Palease, the Prius is not as economical as most diesels.

    Salesman, if you are a salesman you’ll know that fleets buy from whatever company offers the best deal. FACT. Doesn’t matter whether its Toyota, Holden, Ford, Fiat, Ssangyoong or any of these Chinese cars coming out.

    Also you’ll know that most private buyers buy on perception, not facts. Most people who I spoke to while I was a Salesman were looking at Toyota’s because of their reputation. Yeah they are fine cars but they are not the best for everybody.

  • Glen

    Is it me or does this airbag deploy behind the headrests? If so whats the point?

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Glen,

    Thats what i’m trying to work out…

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    The Salesman…

    You work out who i’m trying to ‘offend’

    You’re a smart cookie.

    It’s not frontman.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Glen,
    Salesman, if you are a salesman you’ll know that fleets buy from whatever company offers the best deal. FACT. Doesn’t matter whether its Toyota, Holden, Ford, Fiat, Ssangyoong or any of these Chinese cars coming out.

    Thank you Glen, absolutly true. Toyota is not the be all and end all, i never said i thought they were.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Glen,
    I have never been known as “Dingo”

  • WVB

    I’m surprised smart for 2s don’t have these already but then Toyota IS a leader in vehicle safety systems, oh sh!t lets no go there again………….

    I was watching crash investigation the other night and reckon the guy that was struck in the rear by that prime mover in the Sydney tunnel could have been saved the extent of the head injuries he sustained if his yaris or whatever it was had one fitted.
    Still, I’m a motorsport advocate and hate unnecessary weight which is in part all that airbags equate to. I do concede though the airbag is a truly innovative solution to that special person, the American commuter. Having said that, I lot more awareness should be made about all of the remarkable passive safety systems built into cars today that are very effective, clever, cheap & best of all lightweight. Most people would be completely unaware that they exist at all.

  • WVB

    ………..btw, you guys seem to have been arguing all night

  • Frontman

    DanMan Says:
    October 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
    Sorry was away delivering

    Hmm Council tenders, great order taking, product prostitution. Sorry not a personal Gybe, but if it wasn’t and you only took from 3:15 to 4:42 to leave the dealership, deliver and return on a private delivery, I would’ve punted you. But then it was that sort of standards that got me where I am.
    Salesman as for being of similar standing, well let me just say that I have done my time in dealerships, the only part that hasn’t been on my slip was scrubber and owner. Today I am far more relaxed and don’t have to worry about burning heads.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Semi Retired are you, doing some freelance consulting? Thank god the old dinosaurs are falling off the perch. With old school talk like road to the sale, burning heads,Punted, ETC
    I’ve heard it a MILLION times before.
    I too was raised in the school of hard knocks, and I still some how managed not to be a jerk.
    Thank you for your insights yesterday, I would have enjoyed reading your comments more if you could hold back from the slander.
    You are right, you are not worthy. Sounds like my standing is much higher in different ways :)

  • Adam (aka Mada)

    Who had the EGO that had a right to be huge again?

  • Frontman

    No not semi retired, gainfully employed full time and loving life. Yes the terminology is old, but the system remains the same. If you believe that the “road to the sale” is a not the way to do things now and that you don’t have to worry about burning heads then it would be interesting to see how you go about your business.

    They are old terms, sure. This is an old business.
    Some of us have been around long enough to have benefited from seeing all the changes come through. Though I would recomend that they are not peculiar to the Auto industry and are still commonly used these days.

    As for your standing versus mine, again throught the tyranny of time I have learnt that self percieved standings account for Jack! and the way some others see you menas even less. What you will learn eventually is that as long as you are comfortable with where you are the rest gets a whole lot easier. Hence you will notice that whilst I have quipped (in a smart a’d way) I have never attempted to try personal attack or boasting. It doesn’t really matter.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    Road to a sale is now a Showroom Strategy
    Self preserved standings are relevant, you are what you think you are and you are how you act with others.
    Creating a positive self image is more than half the battle.
    This industry to me is 80% chemistry and 20% process. Once you have the relationship the sale is easy.

  • Frontman

    ROad to the sale has always been the “showroom strategy” whatever you call it, same as six point sell, Bulls & Peacocks, etc etc….. All the different trainers want to call it something different, but it is all the same.
    If you are happy with who you are and where you are the only possible signals that you can give your customers are ones of a relaxed, friendly & trustworthy person. If you are striving to get more, they can sense this (desire is not a bad thing but keep it in check). When I mentioned standings this morning, it was NOT to infer that you were somehow inferior, it was to let you know that yes I have been there, and have been fortunate enough to move to a different level. Better? I might think so, but others don’t, doesn’t matter. The important thing is, this industry will consume more than it’s fair share of those that work in it. If you don’t stand back and look at the bigger picture once in a while the fun goes out of it. That is the bassis behind my drawing attention of the machine consuming all. Keep your eyes and ears open ;-)
    As I have said, nothing from me is to be taken personally, I don’t personally know people on this forum so the comments are general or smart A’d.
    It is always enjoyable to have a debate and I’ll swing by these forums from time to time, so if you are looking for someone to ease the tension with, just bait me. If I’m in the mood I’ll bite.

  • http://skyline The Salesman

    fair enough :)

  • http://faster DanMan

    Well FRONTMAN that’s a mistake based on not having all the facts (done that myself once or twice).
    Actually was a private sale.. Seeing as i had emailed photo’s of the vehicles (in build in our workshop) showing some of the huge amount of accesoires we fitted (from my camera phone, no-one else ever does this)the customer was good to go in ten minutes delivery. Also i am mobile on the net thru wi-fi.
    I blog anywhere, anytime…
    Also who is ‘dingo’? have seen this often? You can tell by my’fingerprints’ (sentence structure,cadence etc) my writing style is pretty unique…
    FRONTMAN, with my volume/gross ratio you would never let me go…

  • http://faster DanMan

    Also (i) like (to) use Brackets() and ‘sometimes’ Parentheses in my post(s)…. LOL
    No-one else does this..
    Like everyone elase i am unique!