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Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
by Jez Spinks

Hobart’s Museum of Old and New Art (MONA) was used as a media launch pad for the new Ford Falcon EcoBoost, though it’s unlikely Ford Australia intended there to be an analogy made between the new, modern four-cylinder engine now offered as an alternative to its trustworthy but aged locally built six-cylinder.

The four-cylinder ‘EcoBoost’ engine is a contemporary unit that follows the current, and unstoppable, trend for downsizing. It employs high-pressure direct fuel injection, variable independent timing on its dual camshafts, and turbocharging to help compensate for the lower number of cylinders.

As with other car manufacturers reducing the size of its engines, Ford says its smaller powerplant offers similar performance to a bigger engine but, crucially, with better fuel economy.

In this case, that bigger engine would be a six-cylinder, though Ford Australia says it remains committed to its Geelong-made inline 4.0-litre.

With the Ford Falcon continuing to haemorrhage sales and spiral out of the Top 10 vehicle sales charts that was not so long ago a seemingly permanent home, the new Ford Falcon EcoBoost model is seen as a potential white knight – or a “game changer” as Ford puts it.

Time will tell whether Ford Australia has made the right call to abandon the original plan to build the Focus small car at Broadmeadows and instead combine taxpayer money – from a $42m Federal Government contribution – with Ford Motor Company investment on more fuel efficient versions of its homegrown Falcon and Territory SUV models.

Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review

The turbo diesel version of the Ford Territory introduced in April 2011 is already paying dividends in sales thanks to its clear consumption advantage over the petrol inline six.

Can the turbo petrol four-cylinder have a similar effect on Ford Falcon sales? That’s unlikely given the Territory is a vehicle type – SUV – that consumers clearly want, and the Falcon … well, much less so, shall we say.

However, for those who do want a large car – and not necessarily because it’s wearing a blue oval badge – the more pertinent question is whether the new, smaller-capacity EcoBoost engine is a viable choice for Australians.

After a prototype drive late last year and a production car drive of the Ford Falcon EcoBoost in Tasmania this week, the answer is an emphatic yes. But you would probably like a more detailed assessment than that.

If fuel efficiency has been one of the key factors leading to the mass exodus of buyers from large cars, the EcoBoost four-cylinder at least gives Ford dealers some bragging rights in terms of economy over rival cars.

The Ford Falcon EcoBoost XT , the entry-level model that should now prove to be even more popular with fleet buyers, has official consumption of 8.1 litres per 100km (and CO2 emissions of 192g/km). (Though it should be noted the EcoBoost’s figures, including outputs, are based on the use of 95 RON premium unleaded.)

Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review
Ford Falcon EcoBoost Review

The other Ford Falcon variants that get the smaller engine are the G6 and G6E, achieving a figure of 8.5L/100km because extra features make them slightly heavier than the XT and don’t share the base model’s special lower-rolling resistance tyres that eek out more efficiency.

In both cases, that gives the Falcon better economy than the new Toyota Aurion (9.3L/100km; V6 only) and the most parsimonious Holden Commodore (9.3L/100km; 3.0-litre V6).

Small engines and big cars are an unnatural combination in Australia, but the Ford Falcon EcoBoost is a car that can change perceptions if it’s given a chance.

Despite having half the capacity of the built-in-Victoria 4.0-litre, the made-in-Spain 2.0-litre EcoBoost four-cylinder is not far off the six-cylinder’s power and torque outputs of 195kW and 391Nm.

The four-cylinder turbo offers up 179kW at 5500rpm, and 353Nm of torque at 2000rpm.

It’s not a perfectly flat torque curve from there, but the consistently elevated line on Ford’s engine graph is confirmed behind the wheel with a sufficiently meaty mid-range that delivers effortless overtaking when required and relaxed cruising at other times.

Some lag was noticeable during a racetrack exercise – which allowed back-to-back tests to be conducted with the six-cylinder that in that scenario was clearly a bit gruntier and linear in its power delivery – but less so in real world driving.

Whether in the suburbs or on the open road, there’s immediacy to the Ford Falcon EcoBoost’s throttle pedal at lower revs, with pace building smoothly and progressively as the driver applies more right-foot pressure.

A mixture of light and heavy throttle applications during the launch drive in and around Hobart produced an average of 9.0L/100km in our G6E, with a fellow tester recording 8.2L/100km in the same car. On the same drive, a six-cylinder petrol Falcon would have been expected to send consumption well into double figures, troubling the teens.

Zero to 100km/h acceleration tests at the racetrack also suggested there’s little reason for buyers to choose the six-cylinder purely for performance benefits.

We clocked 6.74 seconds in the Ford Falcon EcoBoost and a 6.71 in an LPG six-cylinder Falcon, before heavy rain ruined a comparison with the regular six. Other test runs by media, though, produced consistent results where the normally aspirated petrol six had an advantage of less than a tenth of a second (with both the four- and six-cylinder petrols using premium unleaded).

Ford Australia’s engineers have also fiddled with the Falcon’s suspension for the EcoBoost, primarily catering for the slight shift in weight distribution (from 56/44 to 54/46 per cent front/rear) resulting from the smaller engine that weighs 64kg less than the six-cylinder and sits slightly further back in the engine bay.

Spring rates are stiffened front and rear, but the Falcon EcoBoost remains a relatively soft set-up that, while not perfect at absorbing urban road irregularities and prone to some body roll in corners, has an easy-going suppleness that complements the effortless nature of the engine while still providing confident and predictable handling.

The Ford Falcon FG is by now a well-known package – one improved, particularly on the safety side, last year with the Series II update.

Further improvements are promised up to 2016 as part of another government assistance package, this time a $103m co-investment announced at the 2012 Detroit motor show in January.

If the Falcon is to continue beyond that date – and there are no guarantees from Ford that it will – Ford Australia faces another decision about whether to extend the inline 4.0-litre six’s lifespan further still by making the necessary investment to make it comply with Euro V emissions regulations coming into force in 2016.

The EcoBoost four-cylinder could comply tomorrow, Ford says, making another argument against the bigger engine that does at least have one clear advantage: a towing capacity advantage of 700kg (2300 v 1600kg).

That and consumer sentiment. A four-cylinder didn’t work for the Holden Commodore in the 1980s, but have time and mindsets changed sufficiently in Australia for an engine more typically associated with a small hatchback to be embraced by large-car buyers beyond environmentally and fiscally conscious fleet purchasers?

Pricing won’t influence the matter, because the four-cylinder isn’t cheaper than the six; Ford Australia has priced both identically, starting at $37,235 for the XT.

So it could well be people power, not engine power, that will determine the fate of these engines.

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  • Golfschwein

    It sounds like the smarter choice in the Falcon and I hope it succeeds.

    • Qtc

      What’s so smart? The prices are the same for the 6 & 4 cylinder.. Might as well choose the 6cyl as it’s more powerful, durable etc..

      You’ll save $1.50 per 100Km with the 4cyl though, but not worth it..

      But the falcon has bigger problems then displacement..

      • FanBoi

        Well said mate!

        The schwein is clueless.


      • Doctor

        “it’s more powerful, durable etc…” – if only the rest of the vehicle was. At 90k it might be still going, but how many of the toys will still work?

      • Golfschwein

        Yours is old thinking. Moaning that the prices are the same and dragging the calculator out to establish a $1.50 per 100 km saving is to ignore the fact that here is a modern, lighter engine that doesn’t share its bore centres with its 1960s antecedents and performs near as dammit as well as the old six with half the capacity and does it using less fuel. 

        If the Falcon’s target market can’t change their dinosaur thinking and embrace the new, it’s done for.

        • 3D4

          Can not agree more….

        • Inl

          Have you not heard of the V6? Compact, light, powerful setup

          • Lynchy

            V6, please the Falcon inline six is more than equal to it’s biggest competitors V6 offerings.

        • too little too late

          most of  Falcon’s target market has changed their ‘dinosaur’ thinking and embraced the new, they buy other cars

          • Ford Fairlane

            Dinosours lived for 135 million years which is alot longer than humans have exsisted and their linage continues to this day as birds.

            So dinosour ancestors actully sh_t on your car today.

        • Damian

          The Falcon’s target market have already defected to the mid-size segment. Ford’s introduction of the Ecoboost Falcon, is a classic case of a company being merely reactive and not proactive in its product development. You know what they say about entities that stand still in a fast moving world…

          Ford could have easily introduced a diesel variant of the Falcon a few years back. Instead, it chose to release sub-standard revisions to the boat anchor i6 4.0L (which is a decent engine, notwithstanding its poor economy), which made neglible reductions in fuel consumption.

      • Tom

        Considering that the 4 is a new engine, there is no evidence that the 6 is going to be more durable. Sure, the 6 is a more understressed engine, but plenty of turbo motors have clocked up plenty of k’s without issue. 

      • JoeR_AUS

        Quote ”
        A mixture of light and heavy throttle applications during the launch drive in and around Hobart produced an average of 9.0L/100km in our G6E, with a fellow tester recording 8.2L/100km in the same car. On the same drive, a six-cylinder petrol Falcon would have been expected to send consumption well into double figures, troubling the teens.” This point is not mentioned strongly enough. 

        If you live in Sydney you need to look at the Urban fuel figure, Here you will find the 4l engine compared to a 2l engine will use 4l more per 100k. In my case thats $6 per 100km or $24 a week or $1248 a year. 

        The time has come to only use fuel when you demand the performance, hence large engines when potting, idling around just waste it.

      • diesel

        agreed, the Falcon is dying a slow death and regardless of the engine, will ultimately be discontinued within 10 years. The days of the big family car are slowly coming to an end.

        • JunkYardDoGG

           what about the New Turbo Diesel Falcon

  • MisterZed

    What are those buttons on either side of the instrument cluster??  I thought those things disappeared in the 80s.

    • aqua1

      Actually many premium japanese cars have similar controls, they are usually for the cluster display or brightness etc…

      • Sherwin

        Since when? All the Japanese premium cars have them on the steering wheel. 

    • Johnny

      They’re for the trip computers, centre screen brightness, warnings even audio input and other settings so that you display what data you want to show in the cluster. 

  • Marcuspetraska

    in NZ by far the bigger cost of ownership with these cars is the depreciation. to save perhaps a few thousand dollars on fuel over the life of the car is chicken feed compared to the hit you take when it comes time to sell…

  • Themenz

    I don’t understand the attitude of much of the Australian  public. It is like Aussies are happy for Falcon to simply die.

    I applaud Ford for doing what they have done. I would have also considered the diesel from territory, but regardless at least they are trying something.

    I really don’t think Aussie’s will know what they have lost until it is gone. Both Commodore and Falcon are unrivaled for space, equipment for the price and lets face it the quality has stepped up a very long way from the dark days of the 80’s & 90’s.

    I understand that smaller cars have become more popular in ever more crowded cities, and SUV’s have taken over from the sedan as the school bus for most suburban families. But these cars are robust and built with more consideration for our roads and driving conditions then almost anything else on the road, and I hope for the sake of our car industry that peoples attitudes change.

    We make some great product here, and yet our attitude is that they are second rate. The Yanks and Italians don’t have the same attitude and lets face it compared to our stuff I think it is fair to say they have nothing to brag about from a quality perspective.

    And if the argument is fuel economy. I have a 2l nissan and get roughly 8l/100K and my father has a G6 and get 9’s.

    I mean given the weight difference and capacity difference of the tow cars the fuel usage is negligible.

    • Noel

      Falcons are not sexy, they are taxi’s…..this is one of the huge issues Ford faces.  Couple this with a dealer network that doesn’t believe in the car writing the end of this story is easy.  

      It is going to be a sad day when they stop producing Falcon but the day is coming.  

      • Zahmad

         Indeed that is a problem….Its is a great car, but these are by no means a looker. When Ford have great looking cars in the Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, the Falcon just doesn’t fit in….

      • Smart US

         mercs are taxis in Germany – suffering the same doom and gloom you are saying Noel… get real and skip smarty porridge in the morning

        • Noel

          Hmmmm….this is true, but I bet you London to a brick that if you offered someone a Mercedes or a Ford I know which one they would take.  Also, go to Mercedes dealership in Germany and ask those guys does Mercedes have a chance of surviving, again I bet the answer is different to the one you’d get from the Ford dealership.  It’s not smarty porridge I have in the morning, I take a dose of reality, it helps me get through the day without blinkers on.

          As a side note, I use to own a BA XR6 turbo with an APS Phase II kit on it, she was lowered with a sunroof and the full luxury pack.  One of the most fun cars I’ve ever owned.  Build quality was sub par (I had just had a string of Honda’s and a Subaru) so that is compared to them, however, it was always reliable.

          • Andrew M

            Wait till your Honda or subaru needs something fixed or replaced…..

            Also, go to the german government and ask how much in the way of subsidies they give their car makers each year.

            Also ask what sort of border protection they have in the way of import tariffs.

            The German auto industry is no less reliant on government funds than our industry.
            If the german industry is said to be more stable that is because the German goverment puts in many times more dollars and has higher import tariffs to prevent cars being built with cheaper labour entering the market on a high scale

          • exchangestudent

            Thank you, Andrew M!

            Why do so few people acknowledge this?!

          • Shak

            ^because it just gives them another excuse to bash our local industry and justify their lack of support for the industry. 

          • A Smith

            I’ve replaced parts on my Hondas before, what’s your point? Even for my not so common 14 year old Prelude, I’ve never waited more than 2 days for a part, and it’s never been as expensive as the naysayers make out. I might also mention the fact that they’re pretty reliable.  

        • Igomi Watabi

          you’re not comparing apples and apples there. A small concern selling one mdel to one country with a population of 22 million people versus a manufacturing giant with a marketing budget bigger than the small concern’s entire budget for everything for the year.

      • Tocs

        Actually Ford has stopped selling Falcons as taxis. On the Goldy all you see these days is Prius and vans. I asked a cabby where all the Falcons have gone and he said Ford refuses to sell them as taxos any more so Toyota came to the taxi party.

      • cd

         BMW, Mercedes and Audis are taxis too, as are Mazda 6s (Germany and other countries). So they are also now undesirable by that thinking.

        • MisterZed

          My i45 (Sonata) is used as a taxi in South Korea :(

          • rollerboy1

            Just like the Commodore, Territory, Camry and Falcon are used here. Locally built, reliable, smart. We should start using FPVs and TRDs and HSVs as taxis and see if people see that as a downside to the cars.

      • rollerboy1

        It’s got to be said, the Falcon can look awesome (XR6/ GT-P) or reeeeaalllyyyy boooooring (MkII XT). But what about the Commodore? The Camry (actually the Camry’s just naturally boring)? The Territory? They all serve as taxis and they all look fine, why should the falcon be different.

    • Hyap

      People’s attitude has indeed changed -the easy days for Falcodores are gone.

  • Indy

    What I find interesting is, no-one wants the falcon to die, to keep the jobs in Australia etc, but no one is wanting to buy the falcon and support the car and the jobs.

    • Legnab

      Families have deserted thr large sedan for the SUV ,others have found that small performance cars are more fun/economical .

      This is a good move to improve economy ,but its all too late .

      Their future lies in the focus/mondeo sector , both are very good cars and sales of the focus are proving this .

      Both commodore and falcon have lost the private buyer and are now loosing the fleets as well , heard of a company ditching 25+ commodores for hyundia 1×35 , that would have been unheard of 5 years ago .

      • Themenz

        I agree. But it is never to late with the right product. Lets face it it is perception, because the Mondeo is almost as big as Falcon these days and it no light weight.   If we take it that the Falcon will never again be a volume product, why not turn it into something special. Shrink it a bit, share the platform with Mustang and Territory  and create a real sports sedan.

        I mean If you look at a FG Falcon vs say an EA, it is huge.

        Build your range, marketing and prices around a smaller more focused market segement.  

        • Kampfer

          Agree with that. That was why VT Commodore was such a success – ~70% of BMW 5 series for ~30% of the cost. Come on Ford, leave the fleet sales to the next Mondeo and build something special for the RWD Falcon!!!

          • MisterZed

            Hahahaha… VT Commodore 70% as good as a BMW 5-series.  Best joke of the day.  Try 20%, if that?  Let’s start with the ancient 1960s-era Buick “3800” V6 and the almost as old 4-speed auto…  oh, and lovely wind up windows.  Oh yes, real BMW class stuff.

          • john

            The commodore is better than the 5 series. I know this because Wheels magazine told me so. Remember the story “VE takes on ze germans and wins”. Riveting stuff and real unbiased reporting from a magazine that has no relationship with holden at all (apart from the multimillion dollar advertising) so I trust everything they say. Honest!

          • Themenz

            There is no doubt there are some bargain basement bits in there, but I think it is there in spirit…. I mean if you take the bang for your buck factor in to account I think Kampfer is right. And lets face it a Falcon or Commodore is never going to be A BMW or an Audi. They don;t have the margins to add all the best bits. But they can be heaps of fun to drive and as a value argument hey are hard to go past.

          • Kampfer

            Comparing to 5 series at the time (E34/E39), IMO VT it’s ~70% of 5 series. Specially driving in Australia with its low speed limit. No doubt in Autobahn even the E34 kicks VT’s ass, but within Australia’s 100km/h limit the different is easily within 70%. Holden made the right choice of made the VT more driver focus cars compare to Falcon (AU) and Holden still benefiting by this today.

          • JooberJCW

             Thats like saying an ikea leather lounge is a success because it sold more than a gainsville leather lounge, it has leather cushions legs so 70%+ of the gainsville at 30% of the price.

          • Kampfer

            I’m not saying VT was a success compared to 5 series. It’s comparing to Falcon specially the AU. While Ford was focused on lower the running cost on AU and made car so boring that no one wanted. VT was more focus on driver and make it more of a driver choice. The effect last even to today where Commodore out sell Falcon by large margin even Falcon is better driver car today IMO.

          • fordholdendriver

            kampfer the AU wasnt a boring car to drive. the styling of the AU is what went against it!! the VT was what the public wanted. take a VT six cylinder and an AU six cylinder for a strap on the highway. you’ll soon see that the AU wasnt boring in terms of performance. the AU utes are the same and they sold better the commodore ute at the time. because thats what the public wanted.

        • Owoteva

          Personally the only options I see for Ford Oz is building high profit product. If you couldn’t turn a profit with a local Focus then a local Kuga should of had a better return. Otherwise front up to Detroit and say that we’ll build Lincolns for the Asian and RHD markets. Heck, turn the Falcon into a 4 door coupe ala VW CC and sell it as a premium sports model only.

          Manufacturing can survive here but I don’t see much light for the Falcon as it is.

          • Gkm22

             I agree, in fact i don’t think Ford wants to keep Falcon alive. You will find Ford will mold falcon into its replacement car which will be here about 2016. The ecoboost engine is not so much to save falcon sale, its to get the Aussie mind set to except a 4 turbos in a large cars. One ford is alive and working for the company weather we like it or not. The next update will bring the falcon closer to the shape of the global car so that the transition will be seamless and it will look like a natural change.

  • Sean

    You havet the weight distribution at 56/54 – 110%. Also, were the 0-100 time really sub six seconds?

    • AAA

      Sub 6 seems unlikely to me. But I haven’t piloted one. I’d like to see more 0-100km/h times posted. The locals don’t seem to do this. I suppose it does have quite a bit of torque. And given the subsequent weight loss I guess its indeed possible. I’d love an XR6 personally just have to wait a year or two to pick up a used on with under 100k on it for around 24k. Poor first owner.

      • Andrew M

        Well that poor first owner probably only paid 34K because thats all they really cost most days of the week.

        What wont you lose 10K on after driving out 2-3 years later and racking up 60K??

        I paid 33K for my FG XR ute with all the extras in 2008 a couple of months after they came out.
        Just had a look on car sales and similar examples are around 25K.
        Now lets say I sell it for 20K its still only 13K loss over 3.5 years.
        Not that I care cause its a write off for me any way, Im just showing the depreciation isnt as stereotyped.

        On the otherhand I also bought a 2nd hand Mazda SP23. It was 2 yrs old with all the extras and 28K on the clock. the drive out price on that brand new was scratching 40K (because of the extras and Auto box etc) and I paid 25K for it.

        The poor first owner of that car probably only got 20K trade which means they lost at least 15K in 2 years.

        The thing is Ford and likewise Holden dont sell at list price yet everyone likes to rank depreciation as if they do.

        • Andrew M

          Oh and on fuel consumption, the Mazda returns no better than the official 8.6L, actually not far off the Falcons.
          On H’way the Falcon will do 7’s

          • fordholdendriver

            yep they sure do. the falcons a fantasitic car on fuel on the highway

        • Ford Fairlane

          True Andrew,I have also noticed that FG Falcons seem to be holding there value better than any previous model Falcons.

          • Andrew M

            Part of that could also be less sold to fleets so less hit the market 2nd hand

          • Rick

            Speaking of depreciation , I just went to see about trading the Hyundai Santa fe in, and the best price I got after 6 dealerships was 26k it cost 43k with all the extras we got and only 2 yrs old . Makes the falcon look like a pretty good deal .

        • too little too late

          the utes have better resale than the sedans.
          the base model sedan can go as low as 42% resale after 3 years.
          they may improve as they become far rarer in the used market since their new sales have died

          • Andrew M

            42% of what price??
            the list price or what they actually originally sold for.
            Maybe 42% of its original 40K onroad list price but the XT’s actually sell for closer to 30K.
            If you take a more realistic original sale price they suddenly re-sell for 56%

            And if that is the “as low as” figure thats worst case right??

            Well name me another vehicle that wont lose 40% after 3 years?

            Ricks example earlier says he lost about 47% on his hyundai after only 2 years

          • Mickyinsane

            i reckon that resale things a load of garbage on anycar. put it this way when you trade you car in on a newer one. they give you x amount for it. thats not always what its worth!! have a look a thow much your old car will be advertised for. i reckon it all comes down  too the salesman being honest or a ripoff

    • Andrew M

      The article says sub 7 seconds.
      The turbo runs sub 6 though

  • Shak

    Another factor that many people fail to point out (whether on purpose or not) is that the Large sector has far fewer players than the mid-sized sector and yet still outsells it. I know sales are moving in opposite directions for both sectors, but there is still lots of money to be made for auto makers in large cars, and i doubt they want to get rid of them entirely any time soon. 

    The biggest hurdle i see large cars facing, particularly our locals is actually purchase cost. I know everyone says they are comparable to the Germans in most ways, but the reality is they are cross shopped against FWD mid-sizers and not the Germans. The only way i really see our large locals surviving is the worst option, moving production off shore. Our high labour costs are what makes the locals so expensive to buy. I mean c’mon a base model Falcadore at its cheapest will cost you 37K and have a relatively Spartan equipment list compared to a fully kitted mid sizer.

    If people think im supporting the imported mid sizers i am not. I love our Aussies, but im realistic and if Holden, Ford and even Toyota want to keep the cash cow large cars in their line ups into the future, they not only need to get more efficient, but also cheaper to buy!

    • Andrew M

      Um Shak,
      I know you are frequent to this site, are you honestly telling me you havent seen the ads for the XR6 being priced at 34K for the last few years??
      Holden also do the SV6 for similar pricing but it just doesnt frequent on this site

    • Andrew M

      but I agree with you regarding more money (Margin) in larger cars.

      I estimate Holden would need to sell twice as many Cruzes to make the same profit as Commodore sales

      • Shak

        Yes i know about both of their pretty extraordinary drive away deals as my mate just bought an XR6 (shouldve gone SV6 IMO). 
        My overall point is that Holden and Ford wouldn’t need to do these massive price cuts every year just to move more units. If they lowered cost of production, they could sell these cars permanently at 36K ish and still make similar profits off of similar numbers of cars. Think about a 32K Omega or XT and then watch sales pick up again. Imagine the prospect of a SSV or G6ET for 45K driveway. Im pretty sure with lower prices sales would pick up considerably for both marques.

        • Andrew M

          Um they have been selling them at those prices for years.

          I got offered an SSV ute for around 40K in 2008 and you will still get it for that today.

          The XR6 and SV6 have also been no more than 36K for years.

          Omega and XT can also be had for 32K and less and once again has also been the case for years.

          These “massive price cuts” are now standard pricing. the Mk11 FG XR6 came straight out at the same price they were selling MK1 at.

          It is 34K drive out same price as the MK1 was for 2-3 years.

          The XR6T and SSV etc are easily get-able at 45K drive out.

          And your mate getting the XR6 instead of the SV6……
          Why the SV6?? The XR6 is much better.
          Holden sell hardly any SV6’s in comparison and there is a reason for that……the SS is so much better.

          Fords sales are XR6 heavy because You dont need a V8 to move it because the I6 does a pretty good job.
          I was tossing up between the SV6, XR6 and SS.
          The SV6 was just so gutless in comparison to the XR6. You needed another 1500rpm on the commodore 6cyl before it started to move.

          The SS although not the smoothest motor was a lot of fun, but ultimatly I didnt like the cockpit as far as ergonomics, apperance, quality and massive B pillar blindspot.

          • Shak

            You get my overall point though. Reduce overall cost of production through lowering labour costs and profits will stay the same as what they were when they were selling 40K Omegas and XT’s.
            And my comment on the SV6 was a small personal joke as im a Holden fan and i would’ve preferred he get the SV6 but at the end of the day im happy he bought Aussie and not some Accord or Maxima.

          • Goodfa

            I have read many comparisons between the SV6 and XR6 and usually the decision is line ball either way. Acceleration is also line ball between them.

    • Dave S

      I still dont understand why people think that our local manufacturers have to ‘give’ their cars away. There are cheap cars, but they are mid size or smaller (less family room), FWD (poor handling, with all the weight over the front wheels) and since they are target as cheaper models they feel cheaper.

      People should be smart enough to realise that you get what you pay for. There is more to buying a car, than finding which one is the lowest bidder.

      The is a reason why around a quarter of Commodore sales are V8’s. That’s what people want and very few will sell it. Want a new V8 – only one place. Not everyone cars about buying the cheapest model at drive away price.

      • Sydlocal

        Some very valid points Dave S but I have to say that not all FWDs out there are poor handlers. There are a few of them that would show the cooking model large RWD sedans a thing or two about going around corners and not all of them are “sports” models (ie some of the medium FWD sedans on offer are very tidy handlers). This has been proven by not just “gut” feel, but by proper testing equipment on skid pans etc. Sure there are a few FWD cars out there that don’t handle that well, but that is just like there are RWD cars that don’t handle that well either. There is more to it than just which end drives the car…

      • Daniel D

        I agree that Ford and Holden shouldn’t have to give their cars away either, as the overall packages they make are competitive. They will have to raise the build quality and after sales service (manufacturer and dealers) quite a bit before that can happen though and neither look like they are in a hurry to do that.

        As for FWD, some can handle quite well and certainly well enough for most peoples needs.

  • Legnab

    Correct there will still be  a market for a large sedan , it will come from the US a large fwd ford or chevy , they wont make it here, numbers are now too small .

    They are cheap to buy now , everyone knows you can get one for low $30k witout too much haggling , just not on peoples wish list anymore .

  • Andrew M

    The sprint times between the ecoboost and Lpi is really surprising.

    In general what ford has done is quite interesting.

    People have said the ecoboost wont be as quick and will be priced with a premium, interesting results.
    Also this vehicle was designed with fleets in mind. During the process of building it Ford even invited major fleet players to drive it part way through its development.
    They are trying to tap back into a segment they got locked out of due to fleet policies banning 6cyls.
    Also the 4cyl commodore experience cant be compared to this. This isnt just some smaller motor plonked in, its well tuned and includes a turbo to bring torque figures up and it actually delivers substantial fuel consumption savings.

    Also if you tested the 6cyl on 95 octane you should quote the 95 octane figures for the 6cyl which is 198 kw and 400 odd Nm

  • mick

    The 6 cylinder engine, considering it lacks ‘Dual VCT’ (the Ford term for Variable intake and exhaust timing), is an iron block I believe, so is heavier and takes longer to warm up than alloy (hurting its emissions which start from keystart), Direct Injection, and a few other things.  If the 4.0L had those changes, and maybe a say, 3.0L with ecoboost option, with the 4.0L ecoboost being a performance option, I think the sales would really take off… coupled with a smaller version of it, but still fundamentally Falconesque.

    • Azz

      Hey Mick,

      You’ll find from FG onwards, the falc 6 does have dual VCT which does run independly from each other.

      The BA/BF had Cam Timing but the cams moved in the same. 

  • john

    bring back the bench front seat to compete with suv’s (need to modify gear levers and airbags but)

    • Andrew M

      Ford already have this in the Ute, handbrake also goes down to the right on the drivers seat.

      I still doubt this is the answer in passenger variants

  • Lee

    Why would you buy the ecoboost? 8.1 litres per 100 x $1.60 litre = $12.96 per 100.   LPI 12.1 litres per 100 x 0.80c = $9.68 per 100, and the LPI has more power, torque and towing ability. The ecoboost is redundant! 

    • Sydlocal

      Some people may actually need some boot space Lee. The LPI Falcon has a smaller boot than all of the medium and even some of the small sedans out there. That is even before you fit the spare tyre in said boot for “interstate trips” etc…

      • Andrew M

        You cant compare boot volume figures accuratly.

        Have you seen the boot opening sizes on small sedans???
        No good having the volume on paper if you cant get it through the opening.
        Also once inside, the larger cars boot space is more usable, with the smaller cars the wheel arches are a lot closer but if you want to count every nook and cranny in a small car as volume then please yourself.

        I also find it odd that for long trips you desire boot space (whether it be artificial or not) but you dont mind lack of passenger space, general leg room and overall comfort.

        • Sydlocal

          Well for example the Mazda6 sedan has a bigger boot than a VE Commodore, still has quite a big opening and is measured to the VDA standard, unlike the SAE companies like Holden for example prefer. ie Holden count every nook and cranny like you mentioned (SAE) but VDA, which Mazda use, calculates space by specific sized boxes/blocks to simulate luggage so there are some left over gaps that are not added to the final capacity.  Even counting it that way it is still bigger, with proper split fold rear seats and not just a ski flap (split fold is an option). The “indentations” on the sides of the Commodore boot more than make up for the “closer wheel arches” of the Mazda6. What is it you said again about a more usable boot space?  Plus it has a flat boot floor, unlike the multi-stepped floor on the regular Falcon for example that renders a lot of that space useless for anything but soft, loose items. Having experienced  travelling with both a Falcon and a Mazda6 (even a pre-VE Commodore), the boot of a Mazda6 is far more useable, ESPECIALLY compared those earlier Commodores with those massive, intrusive goose-neck boot hinges.

          For interstate trips? It is not odd if I don’t have 3, 6 foot tall teenage kids to fit in the back. Something like a Mazda6 for example, or even a Holden Cruze has MORE than enough space and comfort for 2 people, even 2 adults and a toddler/child (where I am in my life right now). So that “extra comfort and space” of those big cars is irrelevant/lost on my PERSONAL situation/circumstances at this time. Don’t forget that the Cruze is bigger in all dimensions other than overall length and has much more interior room than the VB-VL Commodore and most people weren’t complaining about the “lack of comfort and space” of those cars when they were new (plus a Cruze doesn’t have a large tranny tunnel intruding through the middle). If you made use of that “extra space and comfort” of the Falcon LPI on that interstate trip by filling those seats, you better wish you and your passengers don’t have suitcases and only have soft bags. Plus you wouldn’t want to stay for long as you won’t be able to pack a lot as there wouldn’t be enough room if you take the spare. If you have a toddler/young child, good luck fitting their pram, port-a-cot and all their gear as well as your own stuff in the boot of an LPI fitted with the spare tyre! If you had the full sized spare you could pretty much forget fitting a stroller crossways in the boot. .

          I totally agree about some of the openings on some of the smaller sedans and never said otherwise. The Accord Euro boot opening is still pretty small, even though it is bigger than the previous version. Plus the boot opening on a Mazda3 sedan is ridiculously tiny! I also don’t disagree about what you are getting at about “usable boot space” either, however even some of the “big sedans” are hampered by this too ie the floor of the standard Falcon or the goose-neck hinges of the earlier Commodores. It is more an “individual” car/design thing rather than whether it is a large/medium/small car on the outside.

          • Andrew M

            Wow, I cant believe I read all that…..

            Im not going to reply to every note you made but mainly what does the VB commodore or old style commodore boot hinges have to do with it. The previous model Mazda 6’s or 626’s were also much smaller but im not sizing up one of those.

            What does a tunnel down the middle matter to you if you have a toddler in a kiddy seat??

            What would matter however is the width of a vehicle in your case.

            Strap a kiddy seat in the middle of a Commodore or Falcon and your teenagers will have more room.

            I could list many reasons too why I find the Larger size vehicles preferable and most reasons centre around ergonomics and shoulder width.

            “More than enough space” depends on who you are and the comfort you like.

            Good for you for having your reasons and sticking to it, the Mazda is still a nice vehicle.
            The Falcon has too much leg room for me, I cant have the seat all the way back, but what I like is the width particularly over the console which I like to rest my arm on

          • Drwevil

            I ordered the XR6 EcoLPI with the space saver spare. If I need to carry something large I can always unbolt the spare and shove it forward. It won’t work all the time but I can live with it.

            I couldn’t however bring myself to go with the compressor and the tyre goo…..just didn’t seem they way to go for me.

            Also I know people who didn’t buy the petrol falcon because the boot wasn’t flat. I just can’t understand that because the dip where the spare is is so handy if you shop at Aldi you can put your milk in and jam the rest of the groceries in and it wine roll/slide around your boot or fall over and leak.

            I got to drive the ecoboost and it’s a fun drive it has way more get up and go than you would think possible. I think it’s a good thing.

          • Mr Potato

            I agree with you on the point about EcoLpi boot space. Whilst I like the donk I ruled out purchasing this based on boot space alone. 

            I disagree with you on the point of the standard falcon boot having the stepped section as a hindrance.  Personally I find the space over the spare wheel quite useful, particularly when loading in suitcases and/or prams.  They seem fit in this area perfectly and then you can just load on top of there to what would be a ‘normal’ flat boot area.  Having had camry’s & commodore’s (can’t comment on Mazda 6’s though) I find this little bit of extra space useful in comparison. 

            To each their own I suppose.

  • BP

    Not a good move & essentially does this mean the I6 is dead?

    Knowing Ford’s marketing too, this will suffer & if it’s a success then the I6 is near useful anymore.

    Do you really want to pay 37K for an EcoBoost Falcon?

    • Andrew M

      I doubt the ecoboost being a sucess would hurt the I6’s chances.

      The eco would be more like a supplement.
      Lets say they find a miracle 1500 fleet units with the ecoboost making it a big sucess, I doubt that would mean they would lose all I6 sales.

      If they make 1500 eco sales, and the I6 carries on at say 1000 I doubt they would throw away the I6 because I doubt the I6 sales would cross over.

      Those 1000 I6 sales dont mean extra development costs because most parts of the engineering are shared. Its only engine development that would be didtinct.

      Also dont forget the 1500 sales in the Terry which also shares part of the development cost for main Falcon parts.
      The Terry also uses the I6 so the I6 at worse case might be 1500 units.
      I doubt they would throw away 1500 units in sales.

      If anything if ECO was a sucess it would strengthen the I6 as it would take other development cost strains off the Falcon in general

      • Drwevil

        The ecoboost also gets the Falcon in to the fleet buyers that are limited to four cylinder. Not only in number of cylinders but economy as well.

        I’m not sure how that will work on price but I guess an up spec’d Camry is about the same price as the XT but the Toyota buy comparison IMHO isn’t what you would call and exciting drive by comparison. I personally crossed the Camry off my buy list the first time I planted my right foot on the floor at the lights..

        Ford seems to have tried hard andirons think succeeded to keep the new Ecoboost Falcon a fun car to drive.

    • MattW

      Regardless of the 2L Ecoboost, upcoming Euro 6(?) compliance will kill the I6. If Ford AU want a larger engine they will have to use the 3.5 Ecoboost from the US, they won’t get the money for work on the I6.

      A few comments on here about letting the Mondeo be the main Ford larger car and the Falcon more a niche vehicle… problem is its not really viable at current volumes, less volume means it will be canned.

      What will happen is Falcon won’t make it past 2016, by then the next Mondeo / Fusion will have taken over from the Falcon and the next Mustang (being engineered to be meet regulations around the world not just NA) will be that ‘niche’ sporty RWD vehicle

  • TG

    CA writes: “In both cases, that gives the Falcon better economy than the new Toyota Aurion (9.3L/100km; V6 only) and the most parsimonious Holden Commodore (9.3L/100km; 3.0-litre V6).”

    CA, why compare this to the Aurion? The Camry is the same size car, it gets 7.8L/100 (5.2 for the Hybrid). Forget the Commodore, what about the Skoda Superb?

    • Andrew M

      Well the camry wasnt compared when it use to use a shocking 9.9L either so why now?
      The camry also doesnt have the performance to match the Aurion or Ecoboost.

      And the Hybrid is a Hybrid. If you want to factor the hip pocket then lets bring in Fords alternate fuel the Lpi model.
      You see, it just starts to get a bit silly but its ok that you feel compelled to clutch at straws on behalf of the Aurion

    • Sherwin

      Toyota uses the Camry as a midsize, whereas the Aurion is in the large segment.

      • mick

        but funny enough the camry and aurion use the same body

  • Sam_m08

    Everyone’s thinking is constrained by history with cars like the Falcon and Commodore.

    The top European companies in engine and vehicle development (Mercedes, BMW etc.) are now building smaller capacity forced induction engines. Turbocharged 1.6 and 2L engines. These offer excellent fuel economy and weight advantages, whilst also complying with stricter emissions laws.

    Unless something radically changes with international oil supplies (and perhaps it will with shale oil extraction, but let’s wait and see), the days of large capacity 6 or 8 cylinder naturally aspirated engines are over (with the exception of halo cars for companies like Mercedes).

    The 4L inline-6 is dead, along with the 3.5L V6 in the Commodore.

    They are engines of a bygone era.

    Have a look at the success of the turbo V6 Ecoboost in the Ford F-series in the United States. Everyone laughed and said that no-one would ever buy a V6 truck because you had to have an 8-cylinder engine in it … and yet the sales have been off the charts.

    The majority of the population are now concerned with fuel economy (and to a significantly lesser extent CO2 emissions).

    Advantages with torque availability in diesel engines makes them the preferred choice when towing or when driving heavier and larger vehicles, rather than large capacity petrol engines.

    People have to understand that Australian society has developed like Europe – people now live in cities far more than they used to (over the last 40 years the proportion of people living in rural areas has halved) and with suburban living and traffic congestion comes the need for more fuel efficient cars.

    There is still a market for large sedans, and there always will be. But it will increasingly become a niche sector. Local car manufacturing depends on volume, and the sector doesn’t offer enough volume anymore to sustain 3 local players in Australia.

    Well done to Ford for investing in the technology that will be the future of engines over the next decade (forced induction 4 cylinder). Put in the right vehicle (Territory, Focus or a 4×4 Ute) and you could make a sensible business case for continuing local manufacturing.

    The Falcon is a great car, and I love mine. But this is it’s final chapter in Australia, and deservedly so. Times change and so do the needs of a population, and month after month of VFACT figures show that large cars and large capacity engines are no longer near the top of people’s wish list.

    • Fhgl

      Not really, we will have forced induction V6’s also.. Check out Ecoboost V6..

  • F1 Addict

    A well designed and built car that’s 20 years too late to the party. The large car segment was dead 5 years ago. Now it’s just a joke. Without government funding this car would not be viable. Only taxi’s and V8 supercar fans will buy it and there ain’t enough of them for this car to be worth the effort. As a businessperson I find the idea of producing and selling a product nobody wants as a complete waste and therefore hate Ford Falcon’s out of principle.

    • F1MotoGP

       I agree with you. Deloitte Motor Industry Services article page 16 is a graph about passenger car segment trend. Large cars down since 1998 from 220,000 in 2010 100,000.
      Small cars 1998 80,000 2010 240,000. SUV 1998 90,000 2010 240,000. Large cars shrinking but taken over by SUV.

    • Andrew M

      With out government funds, name any auto industry in the world that would remain sustainable

      • Captain Nemo

        that would be a big fat zero ,hey Andrew

    • PPlater92

      It’s a shame that there is little future in the large car segment, when for decades Australians have enjoyed owning, renting and riding in big cars like Falcons.

      Sadly, it is true that without government funding that the Falcon and its icon status may go six feet under.

      I do feel that labelling the Falcon as a ‘waste of time’ is a little misguided. While I don’t particularly like/enjoy the Falcon, it would seem to make more sense to perhaps re-market the G Series as more premium models and distance the Falcon range as more of a fleet only range (similar to that of the previous Ford Crown Victoria’s in the US). I think this would allow for longevity of the Falcon in Aus, whilst being able to focus on more ‘Euro-friendly’ products with turbocharged engines and improved build quality.

  • jg

    The article claims the Falcon interior doesnt match Euro or Jap offerings.  Well I compare my FG Falcon to my wife’s Mazda 3 and ask what this actually means?  I cannot see or feel evidence to support this.  My seats are more comfortable and the digital instrument cluster option delivers far more info than the Mazda offering.

    Happy to be proven wrong, just need someone to show me what is supposedly inferior about my Falcon interior…coz I cain’t see its!!!

    • Andrew

      Agree, my wife and I much prefer sitting in my FG GT335 over the Mazda SP25, the FG has alot more cumfort, better seats and is just a nicer enviroment.  Not that I’m bagging the Mazda, I love the interior but just prefer the FG.

    • Andrew M

      I have a Mazda 3 and Fg XR.
      In terms of feel, functions, comfort etc and general driving I too find the Falcon far superior for its interior offerings.

      What people normally refer to is fit and finish.
      I will admit that interior panel fit and margins seem to be better in the Mazda but for me its not big of enough deal to turn my driving experience.

      The interior of the FG by far is more functional, could just do to be fitted together a little better, but its not as big of a deal as people make out

    • Captain Nemo

      I think it means the plastic on top of the Falcon’s dash isn’t as soft as Euro/Jap cars.

      Because you know we all drive around with one hand permanently caressing the top of the dash.  Maybe Ford (in pre production) could wash the plastics in “cuddly’ to make it nice “n” soft just like a Euro car.  

    • eveready

      Exactly – I don’t understand these comments
      about interior.


      The falcon interior is much nicer then mazda
      3 and accord (V6) I have been in.

      I mean..the falcon has an 8” colour touch
      screen fully integrated with HVAC, radio, sat nav, USB, lights, locks and
      everything else you want.  The seats in
      the falcon are also awesome.  From a
      functionality perspective its much better than a mazda 3 which has that funny
      red display and a tiny sat nav only screen. 
      The Accord has a mini screen that must only be 4” big.


      Sure the fit and finish may not be razor
      sharp – but seriously.. I would take functionality over a minor gap any day!

      • PPlater92

        I have to disagree unfortunately. As @JooberJCW:disqus has mentioned, it may be better to suggest a comparison between two similar sized cars. But, it’s good to consider popular cars in Australia and their interior design language.

        The FG Falcon/G Series range interior… oh my stars! The touch screen inside the car is really big, cool. It’s touch screen, not so cool. My friend’s Dad has one, and we were going through the menu screens and the touch sensitivity was beyond poor. The screen was just absolutely sub par; glitchy and non-responsive.

        The SUNA maps, however, were pretty sweet. We found them to be pretty decent and got us to where we needed to go. Considering I’m a blonde with NO sense of direction, I was impressed!

        But yes, the fit and build quality is pretty crap to be perfectly honest… just be careful comparing it to a smaller Japanese car! 😉

    • JooberJCW

      When your comparing a smaller car to a larger car, you’ll find the smaller the car, the more akin they would offer less in the interior department (Quality and feel), better judge it against a mazda 6, aurion in the same ‘family oriented position’

      Though I agree the FG falcon actually good with its offering internally, but as some pointed out the fit and finish seems to be pretty woeful, I can see a gap through my glove box as the lines do not run parallel.

    • Drwevil

      I think it’s a case of “If it ain’t broke…..don’t fix it…”

      But I must admit the first thought that went through my head was “well the inside hasn’t changed much” but there isn’t a whole lot wrong with it either .

  • Andrew

    Why does everyone refer to the Falcon as a taxi, yes most cabs in Sydney are Falcons, but in Gold Coast they are all Prius with really bad clunks when stopping and starting.

    I honestly don’t mind sitting in a FG G6E taxi heading home in those cumfy leather seats, better than a Prius!!!!

  • tg70

    I’m not sure how this is going revive sales of the Falcon. Sales of large cars are declining however the issue is why is the Falcon not on equal par with the Commodore?
    I have seen all the advertising for the Commodore but none for the Falcon. Is this really the answer? Both cars are pretty good products so that being the case why is the Falcon trailing the Commodore by such a huge margin?
    All the comments seem to pitching the Falcon against SUV’s and medium size cars as the argument, together with fuel usage as to why it’s sales are declining. Sure the Commodore is declining too but not to the extent of the Falcon…What gives…I’m confused. 

    • Shak

      You hit the nail on the head. Holden have close to the best if not the best marketing department in the country. They play to their strengths. Guaranteed, every night you will see a Holden ad on one of the three main channels advertising Holden or a Holden product. Holden also play on their Australianess (however debatable it may be) much better than Ford seem to. Falcon also has a few less variants than Holden so that may be a cause, but overall id blame the big disparity in sales to poor marketing and also from many reports poor after sales service.

      • TG

        What, ads that appeal to bogans? Crap music, crap voiceover lady, crap lifestyle imagery, all ticks for the bogan’s boxes. :)

        • Shak

          I never said the ads themselves were classy. Just that they know how to target the most buyers and hit just the right truths home. No need to tell joe average that Cruze USED to be Korean and IS NOW Australian. See what i mean, very clever marketing from Fishermen’s Bend.

      • Andrew M

        The after sales service depends on where you go, but the actual sales service is ordinary.
        Walk into a Ford yard and they arent really motivated. They expect you to sell it to yourself.

        Walk into a Holden yard and they know how to hold you down….

        And on sales targets,
        Dont forget Ford bangs out 1500 Terrys a month which is basiclly a Falcon.
        It cost them about the same to develop the Terry as it did to develop the Commodore sportswagon (or there abouts)

        Overall Ford knocks out about the same volume of large Aussie product as Holden.
        Interestingly Ford do it with a lot less staff……..

        • Shak

          True ill agree with you on all fronts. Its just that from stories ive heard (on this site and else where) Ford dealers don’t really seem to care too much when you bring the car back for servicing. Not to say that some Holden dealers wouldn’t do the same, but from my own past experiences ive yet to find a sour Holden dealer mechanic. I also think the Territory is Ford Oz’s quite battler, in fact it could be their saviour. People want SUV’s, and the territory now has the engines, its always had the Chassis, and the kit to really pump up sales. Ford would do well to pump more development funds into the territory and possibly a more efficient diesel in future models (if they get past 2016). Just imagine if all three locals were building one small car and an SUV on local lines. We would not be in such dire straits i think.

          • Robin_Graves

            Ford dealers are shocking.  I had to go find a salesman the other day when I was looking at an XR6T, you would think that after looking for 10-15 minutes, opening bonnet, doors, adjusting the steering wheel etc they would have at least asked if I needed help.  When I finally found a salesman he was a used car salesman and didnt want to know about it, then he just walked off and I had to go find another guy.  Then it turns out they didnt have a manual XR6T ute, only one in the state – no attempt to organise a test drive just sent me away.  No wonder they aren’t selling many Falcons.  The dealers need a rocket.

          • Golfschwein

            They might have been busy elsewhere, looking for the electric window switch illumination.

          • MattW

            @ Golfschwein: pretty sure the power window switches in my XR6T are illuminated already. still pointless. do you really need to look down at the switches every time you want to open/close the window? must be hell for you having to look down at the pedals every time you want to accelerate or brake…
            i’ve driven my brother’s Golf at night with all the buttons lit up… uggg

  • Cessnock

    recently purchased a FG XR6 ute, it’s something I needed for load carrying and
    towing capacity along with a bit of comfort and a few extras above the base
    model, but couldn’t afford or really need a larger 4wd vehicle. I for one hope
    that the Falcon continues on as once it’s gone many people will not be able to
    have a affordable vehicle that meets their budget and needs.   

  • Jkl

    The future is hybrid, hydrogen, electric

    Forced induction has no future, it’s old technology that was used 20yrs ago when naturally aspirated cars were too weak, today with advanced technology naturally aspirated cars are powerful, economical, reliable..

    All turbocharged cars have added weight, friction, complexity and require much more maintainence and the engine is subject to much more wear & tear..
    Superchargers are no different..

    A turbocharged 4cyl car cannot compete with today’s modern V6’s.. One example Toypta Aurion, it makes 200Kw of power, Golden SV6 makes 210Kw of power.. And these examples are just ordinary V6.. There’s other naturally aspirated V6 from premium makers that produce more power..

    The BMW 335i is a turbocharged 6cyl, and that creates over 200Kw of power..

    • Jkl

      Also I would like to add that Turbocharged cars consume much more petrol then their non turbocharged equivalent displacements, once those turbo’s start spooling your gonna be using much more petrol.. It’s not uncommon for 2.0L turbocharged cars to be using anything from 8-13L/100Km depending on boost pressure 😉

      • Andrew M

        this ecoboost technology is different though, read up on it cause its not just a hair dryer bolted on like your typical performance version of a rice burner

      • chook

        turbo engines only really spool up under moderate to heavy throttle , so the rest of the time during light throttle or cruising the turbo is barely doing a thing……and thats where the ecoboost will provide the reduced average fuel usage……but i suppose you hoped no one would point this out !!

    • tw

       And yet the ecoboost Falcon out performs both the Commodore and Aurion in economy and acceleration.

      Old technology? except used by all manufacturers.

      • Jkl

        No it won’t, the ecoboost will not beat the SV6 & Aurion in accelerations, not in paper and certainly not in real world..

        • matt

          really? coz i have not heard of an aurion getting anywhere near 6.6 – 100 recorded for the ecoboost,  and best ive seen published for sv6… 6.7.. go figure jlk ..d d d denial

    • AMG63

      Are u serious?

      WRX/EVO/MPS/Focus RS/Sirocco/Megane all producing around 190+ KW, and in some instances (MPS) even more torque than these so called “big” v or L6s with their very thin torque numbers.  Give these turbos fours a kick in the slats when on the move and its no comparison.  Not sure about this ecobosst falcon though as its not a ‘light’ hot hatch.  Probably run low 7s given the LPG version now does 6.9 (Wheels) which is still very good for a big car.  I for one would not be holding up the above mentioned 6 cylinder engines as examples of modern sixes when small turbo fours at 2 to 2.3 liters produce around the same KW and even more torque.

      Your are probably 100% correct about the future though.  The days of the old heat exchange engine as we know it are probably very numbered.

      • F1MotoGP

        From Drive website:
        “Using a stopwatch – hardly the last word in performance testing accuracy
        – the Falcon EcoBoost four-cylinder accelerated to 100km/h in just 7.6
        seconds compared with 7.1 seconds for the Falcon six-cylinder.”

    • F1MotoGP

       From Ford website:
      You service the new 4 cyl turbo every 15,000km.
      Cost at 15T km $240, 30Tkm $240, 45Tkm $325, 60Tkm $240, 75Tkm $240, 90Tkm $365, 105Tkm $240. VERY GOOD!!

      • F1MotoGP

         I forgot to add that if you travel around 15,000km pa than Falcon 4Turbo is cheaper to service than Corolla. Toyota service is every 6 months and each time is $130 ($260pa) and only 3 year or 60,000km which ever occurs first, Falcon is up to 105,000km.

        • Drwevil

          Also the ecoboost engine has no timing belts to replace and break. It uses chains instead.

          The thinking behind this was it was one less thing to replace and brings down the total cost of ownership.

    • MattW

      “The future is hybrid, hydrogen, electric… 
      All turbocharged cars have added weight, friction, complexity”. And the batteries in a hybrid or electric car weight are light? Compare two otherwise similar cars, the Ecoboost and Electric Focus – funny how that added weight from the turbocharger brings the Ecoboost version approx 350 kgs lighter than the electric (1333kg – approx 1681kgs)

      And to add to the fun, now China is restricting imports rare earth metals used in things like the batteries…

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jez Spinks

    TG, I included Aurion in the comparison because Toyota, whether we like it or not, positions it as a large car (because it has a V6) and the virtually same size Camry (with a four-cylinder) as a medium car. Rgs

    • TG

       Sorry Jez, didn’t see your reply until now. Thanks for clarifying this.

  • Galaxy

    The Falcon has always been a fine car, but I think the problem Ford Oz has is relevance. Apart from a few sales of performance variants, does anyone buy a Falcon anymore? The product has become irrelevant to average buyers and the brand “Falcon” is so old that it’s it’s own worst enemy. Ford should have designed and built a local 4cyl car (basically same mech as Falcon), but better looking, new name and more relevant to today’s consumer. One could argue that the Focus/Mondeo cars overlap with it, but in it’s current 4cyl Falcon image, I can’t see this being a success. Ford also needs to improve reliability of electrics in local cars. Mechanically, they’re bullet proof, but anything approaching tech is poor. Time will tell….

  • Harril

    Turbocharged cars are not all they’re cracked up to be, you either have high PSI or low PSI (boost pressure) with cars with high PSI, all the power comes at above 3000rpm but there’s loads of turbo lag & and your essentially torque less anything below 3000rpm due to the fact that turbocharged cars have their compression ratio lowered in order for the turbo.. But you also consume much more fuel the more boost.. So might aswell just go with larger displacement engine?

    Cars with low PSI have less lag but they don’t make much power..

    I really do not care how the market is going or what people here think, but I drive a 3.5L V6 Aurion and that car is awesome in which I average 10.4L/100Km.. Not to mention loads of low end torque & 204Kw power when you need, all that is instant power, which to me is most important.. Power when you need it right away..

    • Housecat84

      Ok Harril, so my Mondeo that runs a 2.5L Inline 5 with a turbo would be the exception to what your saying.. Infact, dare I say that any vehicle tuned correctly can have virtually no lag? Peak Torque for my engine is at 1500RPM. Thats 320Nm (or 400 in my case, its been flashed) …It also dials out 200Kw. and weighs less than an Aurion. I’m averaging 8.5L/100Km in Mixed High way and Urban driving. Turbocharging is all it’s cracked up to be. High pressure small turbos have changed the game. 

      • Legnab

        Absolutely correct housecat84  , know the feeling , no lag in GTI stage 1 , push starts at 1850 and peaks at 2400 , this ford motor will surprise a lot of NA  non believers , flashing will give it even more shove , goodnight mr aurion .

        • Harril

          TRD Aurion will smoke your what ever.. If thats’s how you want to dance?

          • Andrew M

            Well why didnt it smoke the sales charts?

            They pulled the pin cause it wasnt smoking anything but the money the dealers invested in signage and showroom space on a promise of manufacturer support

          • Sherwin

            Just like to point out that, not everyone may think flashing is a good idea for their cars, especially with insurance costs, service costs and so on. Who knows, if you flash your car, you may risk voiding your warranty, spiking many of these costs. So I think it would be fair to say, most of us people, who actually know what flashing is which is a minority, don’t want to do it and prefer stock. 

          • Housecat84

            Sherwin, normally I would agree with you but the major players in ECU Flashing actually have warranty backing in Europe- especially Ford- Actually, Ford even sell tuner packages for Focus ST’s in Europe..Whats that tell you about potential harm? My Insurer is fine with ECU mods so long as I inform them and I flash my car back to stock in under two minutes when head in for a service. No issues there either. Harril: I’ve seen Aurion TRD’s smoked by standard FG XR6 Falcons. Clearly they were never the game changer Toyota intended them to be 

        • Harril

          Peaks? Whets the power, you tell us where your power starts and peaks but failed to mention the numbers..

          Btw the Aurion has 204Kw & 340Nm of torque and averages 9.4L/100Km

          The Aurion stock will destroy your odd 5 cylinder engine turbocharged.. Easily.. I do 0-100 in 5.8sec..

          Get with the times, modern V6’s etc are good..

          • Legnab

            Stock aurion struggles to get to 6.8secs ,its a bit fat , the TDR could do it but with lots of wrist twisting , but forget corners .

            Toxus is lost at sea now that the rest of the world is going FI , power/torque when you need it , economy when cruising .

          • Harril

            The Lexus IS350 has 233Kw of power and 380Nm of torque.. That will blow your car out of the water my friend.. That power is comparable to 6 cylinder turbo.. Also the is350 sprints to 0-100 in 4.7 to 5sec ..

            Naturally aspirated, no lag.. Power is instant & extreme..

            Also N/A 6 have good torque at 1500rpm and when you need power you rev more.. So cruising with. v6 you will never go over 2000rpm

            The future is hybrid power trains and Lexus is at the forefront..

          • Andrew M

            You made me spit my drink at the screen when I saw you use V6 and good torque in the same sentence

          • chook

            OK Harril , so youre a one eyed toyota nut , and if someone else builds something better then your only reaction is to bag it !! . Your comments here have no credibility whatsoever……

          • qikturbo

            “The Lexus IS350 has 233Kw of power and 380Nm of torque.. That will blow your car out of the water my friend.. That power is comparable to 6 cylinder turbo.. Also the is350 sprints to 0-100 in 4.7 to 5sec .. ”
            A XR6T has 270kw and over 500NM.How on Earth,is the IS350 comparable to a 6cylinder turbo???
            I don’t deny the Lexus IS350 has a very good engine but you are not being realistic.

        • Housecat84

          Sherwin, normally I would agree with out but the major players in ECU Flashing actually have warranty backing in Europe- especially Ford- Actually, Ford even sell tuner packages for Focus ST’s in Europe.. My Insurer is fine with ECU mods so long as I inform them and I flash my car back to stock in under two minutes when head in for a service. 

    • Andrew M

      Ok so then why does the XR6T gain more and all its torque much lower and quicker than the N/A version of the XR6.

      Your Aurion is also Torque less below 3000rpm

    • Sherwin

      That’s also a reason why some brands like BMW, use twin turbos. 

  • HandBrake

    This car is just stunning and its just keeps getting better, lets hope it succeeds and stays in this country.

  • Aapl

    People think forced induction is magic.. The point of increasing displacement is to increase the possible A/F volume to increase power.. This is done by increasing bore & stroke (displacement)

    Forced induction increase the Air to the engine by Forcing more air into the engine, allowing to increase the A/F as well.. The more air the more petrol you gonna need..

    So really a turbocharged 2.0L is gonna use the same among of petrol as a 3.5L N/A or 3.0 or what ever..

    People not seem to understand they and thing forced induction is some magic..

    • Legnab

      Urban 8.8/100 , country 6.3/100 , with  188kw and 410 nm not bad for a 2 litre FI GTI .

      Ford drivers will get great economy out of the eco boost with lots of fun , especially when the flash it .

      • F1MotoGP

         I think this is a good move by Ford. Audi A6 is same size as Falcon (52mm shorter, 6mm wider) and Audi got a 2 liter turbo engine with 132kW and 320Nm, 1545kg, 0-100 in 8.3 sec and fuel economy city 8.1 hwy 5,4l/100km. Ford four-cylinder turbo 179kW, and 353Nm. It should be better than Audi on acceleration, and fuel economy :)

  • Gtrxu1

    Whats amazes me is the way Australian consumers buying habits are changing.
    Perhaps cars like Falcon+Commodore+Aurion arnt easy for elderly people to get in and out off.One of the reasons SUV”s are so popular.
    The locally built cars have never been better.In relation to value for money ,features,fuel economy and driveability.The Falcon even has a high tech European 4cyl now.
    Extremely dissapointed to see the massive spike in LPG prices,thats a disaster for Holden and Ford ..

    • F1MotoGP

       If LPG prices would stay around 50 cent….but in the last 14.6 year on average every year LPG gone up by 7.8% and in 1 year by 36.9%.

      • Andrew M

        that 36% was basiclly in 1 month, I couldnt believe it, but it stil remains economical.

        Where is the watch dog on LPG prices, they actually have more control over this

        • Gtrxu1

          Andrew M
          Last week the RAC claimed LPG prices are 10 a litre over priced..

          • Andrew M

            Thats what annoys me about the motoring lobby groups, they talk it up but nothing ever happens about it.

            LPG as been 10cents over price according to these groups for 5 years.

            When the Taxi operators were screaming about this about 6-7 years ago?? the government simply de regulated fares to shut them up because it was easier than actually tackling to true rip off

  • Crumping Hoodie

    Does anyone know if the Ecoboost in the Falcon runs a chain or belt.  If it runs a belt Ford have committed a major blunder given that maintenance costs will destroy any fuel savings.  If it has a chain and is as low maintenance as the six it may find a market.  I have to say the a lack of a wagon body style is going to hurt Falcon sales… I don’t want a big thirsty high riding SUV (aka Territory) and a sedan is too impractical for my needs… so no Falcon for me.

    You may ask why not a Mondeo wagon… guess what, if you want petrol your only choice is the old thirsty 2.3 Mazda 4 not the Ecoboost… how dumb are Ford.  In any case, the Mondeo is looking old… I’d much rather an i40 or a Mazda 6 wagon, shame really as a short wheel base Falcon wagon would now have been on my shopping list.

    • Andrew M

      They do have an ecoboost Mondeo, it was released before the Falcon version.

      Take your hoodie off and have a look

      • MattW

        i think he was referring to a wagon specifically, the ecoboost is on available in the zetec & platinum hatch

        • MattW

          * only

      • Crumping Hoodie

        Yes, I did take the Hoodie off… get your facts right Andrew M, NO ECOBOOST on the wagon Mondeo… capish.

        • Andrew M

          Sorry Hoodie, I missed the Wagon bit

    • Scoot

      Funny thing is that when it comes to the Ford v Holden rivalry I am a Ford fan all the way, but have owned 2 Commodores because to me they looked better at the time and never a Falcon. In the 20 cars I have owned the only Ford was a TX5 Turbo many years ago.

      Now I want a good looking powerful rear or all wheel drive wagon and looks like I’m heading to Holden again. If Ford made a wagon based on the sedan with their engine line up they would without doubt have a winner on their hands. Sportwagon takes up 30% of Commodore sales so there is absolute proof the public want stylish powerful wagons.

      Build it Ford and the buyers will come.

    • Dudeface

      Might be worth waiting a little while and getting the next gen Mondeo (2013 Ford Fusion). IMHO fantastic looking thing inside and out, and bound to go and handle very well

  • JD

    good package but i knew they would stuff up somewhere…… the price.  Who is going to pay 40k for a 4 cyl falcon, when they can buy a 4 cyl camry for 30k (those looking for economy). 

    If they priced the ecoboost comparable to the camry, they have a winner.

    • Dudeface

      I wish people would get ACTUAL FACTS before posting.

      Base model Camry Atara is about 34K driveaway. Falcon G6 Limited Edition with choice of 4.0L 6-cyl, EcoLPI, or EcoBoost as a no cost option, is $37,500 drive away. Which one is better value?

  • Pauly

    Lets just cut the crap Ford Australia. Well done with the 4 Cylinder Falcon. Its a shame the engine is not built here with all that money us Tax Payers have given you…

    Now lets cut to the chase.

    Why dont you build the Focus and Mondeo here? It would compete head to head with Cruze and Commodore.

    • Andrew M

      There is less margin in the focus.
      They would need to sell double the volume of the Falcon to break even and 3 times before it started to become viable

      • Pauly

         So are there margins still in making the Falcon here with plummeting sales?

        And how does GM Justify building the Cruze here? but Ford cannot justify the Focus?

        Yes their is Government assistance for the Cruze, but it isnt like Ford didnt get government assistance?

        • Andrew M

          Ford was denied similar funding for the Focus, thats why they canned it

          • JoeR_AUS

            Ford used the government money to engineer the Ecoboost Falcon. 

      • Hauptman

        Do you work for Ford?

        • Andrew M

          No I dont work for Ford, why do you ask?

          Are you implying Im wrong about the funding denial or the lower margins on small cars??

    • JooberJCW

      Our stronger economy = expensive manufacturing costs, particularly if combine it with less demand to a slowing global economy.

      If the Big 3 are cutting assembly/manufacturing employees its a given that its not a good sign to increase in that area.

    • MattW

      Why dont you build the Focus and Mondeo here?” I don’t know if you are ignorant or stupid. Or just trolling. I hope its just trolling

  • dilligaf

    133 comments and I’m the only one who wants a manual.  No wonder I can’t get one.

    • Karl Sass

      You’re not alone.
      I’m shattered the LPi is auto only.

      • Drwevil

        I believe the reason there is no manual is on the LPI is the traction control. It’s the same reason the LPI only comes with 17″ rims.

        On the ecoboost the auto only has to do with economy and emissions. The six speed auto is very very good.

        Make sure you go take one for a drive at the dealer release …

        No I don’t work for Ford

        • jg

          the 6spd ZF auto in the Falcons is world class.  Manual gearboxes are now a thing of the past. And the ZF allows tiptronic gear changing if u really want.

          • dilligaf

            You just don’t get the left foot thing do ya.  Yes the ZF is one of the best, I own one, BUT
            my left foot is bored.  Nothing give a
            car more soul than a manual.  My last
            three new cars purchased have all been manuals (ZF is wife’s Fairmont
            Ghia).  My next car will be a manual and
            so will the next after that until I lose my left leg.

          • Andrew M

            I too prefer the Manual, but they are dimishing from the large car market.
            Toyota doesnt offer a manual at all,
            even on non ecoboost Ford doesnt offer it on G series or XT
            Similar with Holden, no manual on calais, omega or berlina.

            Its also not available on LPG models

        • Karl Sass

          Thanks for that Drwevil, if only I could get one without the fun/traction control : )
          I’ve driven a Falcon with a ZF before and yes, I was very impressed, very smooth.
          However the issue is that auto’s don’t give the same amount of control or engagement as manuals do. They’re also heavier and there’s the issue of the inherent inefficiency of the torque converter.

          • Des

            The average modern automatic with lock-up torque converter has LESS slip/losses than a manual clutch, and are far more intelligent in selecting the right gear at the right time than most drivers.

            Anyway, with a left knee injury I don’t have a lot of choice, it’s auto or pain – I’ll take the auto thanks.

          • Karl Sass

            When the clutch is engaged, there isn’t any slip. You can’t have less slip then that.
            It is true that most people don’t know when to change gears, but that doesn’t change the benefits of a manual to a driver that knows how to drive it.
            Sorry to hear about your injury, I wasn’t suggesting everyone should drive a manual, just that they should be available.

  • David

    A taxi with a 4 cylinder engine. I’m sure that will be a huge hit ……………not. Why bother? If you want a “big” car with acceptable economy get a Camry Hybrid or one of the SUV diesels.

    The era of the “big six” is over. GM and Ford need to recognise the writing on the wall and concentrate on the small/medium segments.

    • Rocket

      Camry Hybrid, CX5 diesel? No thank you. RWD Ecoboost Falcon is a drivers car not a soccer mums car like you drive.

  • Sumpguard

      My tip for Ford OZ to help the car succeed is;

         Marketing ,Marketing , Marketing”!

  • Birdlife

    Is it all re arranging deck chairs on the Titanic? 

    From as far back as Turbo Territories that got 18lts per 100ks or worse –  Ford had me scratching my head wondering what they were doing. Remember when they built a Mazda 323 here as a Laser? Boom times. At a time when their brilliant new Aussie car – the Territory – was crying out for a more fuel efficient drivetrain,they were building and spending their promo budget on hi performance turbo versions that “eat sports cars”. For goodness sake.To say those kinds of strategies lacked maturity and foresight is an understatement. So called “performance motoring” has alot to answer for when it comes to the local industry. Our beloved Fords and Holdens of yesteryear weren’t ballistic weapons – they were THE family car. Simple – robust…and yes loveable vehicles. 0 to 100kph in how many seconds? NO ONE CARED. The public have spoken. They like Mazda 3s and compact SUVs.What do Ford and Holden have to build to remain relevant players? I’ll kick it off…Option 1: Something between a Territory and a Sportswagon with a few hundred kilos taken out of it? Discuss..:)

  • cut it out

    The VE Commodore model’s best consumption is now 8.9 L/100 km (not 9.3) as stated above. I suspect the Ecoboost would be closer to this on 91 RON fuel.

    • F1MotoGP

       It wont be closer to Commodore. What you quoted is for VE Commodore fuel economy on hwy which is 8.9l/100km according to ADR. Falcon would be close to Audi 2 liter turbo which is 5.4 l/100km hwy which is 39% better than Commodore.

      • Karl Sass

        Not true F1, 8.9 is the combined for the 3 litre SIDI sedan on 91 octane, 12.3 urban and 6.9 extra urban.
        From the green vehicle guide website.

  • Azza

    I have driven both the SV6 and XR6. I would choose the Ford anytime. The SV6 3.6L SIDI engine is completely gutless. When cruising on Freeway the slightest incline sees it downchanging a gear or two. The lack of torque and heavy weight is a big problem for the Holden.

  • Don Quay

    I must say that I am very surprised with the comments on the new Falcon EcoBoost. I expect that it would be flooded with morons saying that Holden tried it with the 4 cyl Commodore 30 years ago and that was a failure, so of course the Falcon wouldn’t be any good either. I expected lots of silly remarks ignoring the fact that the Falcon has at least three times the power and torque, twice as many gears and several generations of advancement in the design.

    Good to see such an informed level of discourse on this topic and it is an interesting discussion. I hope it meets Ford’s expectations as it seems like a very good bit of engineering. However, I have my doubts about their ability to sell and market the product.

    • Legnab

      Most people would realise this is top class technology right up with VAG FI motors , this will help their fleet sales, if its not too late to drag them back .

      Private buyers , once they drive it will find it will be a good experience , less weight over the front wheels will certainly improve handling and the economy will be excellent for a car of this size .

      As someone mentioned earlier will get people use to this motor for when the falcon replacement comes in 2016 from the US .

      • Gtrxu1

        Whos to say if this Ecoboost is successfull.There wont be a USA replacement for Commodore or Falcon.
        Remember last year the Statesman outclassed the American cars in the police trials in the USA.

        • Des

          “last year the Statesman outclassed the American cars in the police trials in the USA.”
          NO that was only in Australian media beat ups. The real reports read quite differently!

          • Gtrxu1

            Umm Des
            The Australian media interviewed the American testers in the police trials.
            The Americans like the size+space,performance+RWD .With the high Australian dollar mady they may have to be assembled in the USA.
            Another example of great OZ motor engineering.

          • Legnab

            All dreams will not happen , nothing special and the high dollar kills any US exports .

          • Des

            Yes they interviewed MANY testers, then selectively reported the FEW that suited their distorted stories. The ACTUAL test reports (and the susequent sales) paint a very different picture.

  • al

    the car is too heavy. At 300kg lighter, without the useless crap and 10k cheaper, YES. And bring back a decent range of SOLID colours. Metallic colours go rubbish in no time under the extreme Australian sun. 

  • Andrew M

    Why does the ecoboost model pictured at the top not have the Mk11 projector headlights?

    Its a Mk11 spec front end, but no projectors?

    • Dudeface

      It’s a G6, which misses out on the projectors (I’m pretty sure)

  • Neo

    I had the chance to have a dive of the G6 Ecoboost yesterday and its nice to drive. And does not feel that much different to the I6. if you had not been told it was a 4T you would not know.  

  • bobby

    i wonder if anyone will buy an ecoboost then convert it to lpg afterwards

  • wayne armstrong

    Hi Guys
    Just traded my 04 BA XR6 the 4.0 motor gave me 12.5 to 14.0 around town and 9..5 on the HWY
    Ave 11.1 my trip meter always has 12.5 AVE

    Test drove the Eccoboost with 3 other poeple in it for 4 hrs yesterday
    Got 5.6 on the Hwy from gold coast to sunshine coast and 9.6 around Town so 7.6
    Big reducion the 4.0 is hungry

    I need space and good boot space ( 3 girls ) and i have a 1300 kg boat i dont have any problems
    thinking about towing the power off the line is line ball with the six

    So justy got to wait for the colure the girls want and im away i hope i have as good of a run for the next 7 yaers as i just had ….3 battery’s and a set of rotors yep just like everyone else the car had
    190.000 and still not showing any issues

    • Legnab

      Was that 5.6 cruising at 70kmh , most testers are getting 6.7 to 6.9 at 100kmh with two up .

      Good to see you have joined the 21st century with a modern motor , time to put the old I6 out to pasture .

  • wayne armstrong

    Hi Guys
    no most 100 k and sometimes 110k
    call the trip meter out 6 anything is good
    But where the old motor was bad is in the city thats where 90% of us drive
    I have seen the press getting 9.5 the old girl would be hard press to get better than 14
    In gone

  • Gibwater

    The Falcon 4 will be a good model in its own right,but why would you choose it over a Mondeo,or for that matter a Falcon 6 for the same money? The Falcons sales decline is not a sudden reaction to an unpopular model,but a very gradual trend due to smaller cars getting bigger and more stylish,and the SUV craze.When Ford Oz fold up in 2016,the Falcon won’t be missed,but the Territory,as collatoral damage,sure will be. What a damn shame.Then theres resale….how much will the Falcon 4 be worth in five years?

    • Ramjet

      The choice of family sized vehicles on the market compared to 10 years ago has grown massively. As the Falcon now sells in lower volumes its resale may actually improve as it will become rarer and people will recognise how good value it is. I would rather own a second hand Ecoboost Falcon than a Camry or Cruze in 5 years time.

      • Gibwater

         Rocket,you are right about the resale increasing,but you’ll be waiting a while. remember valiant,Cortina,Kingswood and Torana? Their resale values didn’t increase until 20 years after they ceased production.

        • tino

          a car is really only worth what a person is going to pay for it

  • BK

    I dont worry about saving 10 to 15 bucks a week on fuel. Saving that much money  cant be that much of a huge drama for you all.

  • jg

    Ahh, haters gonna hate.  They can enjoy their little over-priced putt putt Golfs or their torque-less RX8s or their fugly WRXs…whatever other  foreign stuff they wish.

    The Falcon still outsold the Maxima, Liberty, Mazda 6 and the Aurion last month.

  • Patrick

    High tech turbo engines need high cost oil.
    The oil for my 2012 Audi A5 2.0 TFSI turbo is $50 per litre and it uses 1 litre every 900 KM.Audi says this is not excessive. The oil cost together with the 98 Ron petrol comes to more than 25 cents for every km over the first 5000 km of ownership for my mainly city driving.
    Has anyone heard anything about the ecoboost oil consumption and the cost per litre of the oil you must use to preserve your warranty.

    • Legnab

      You are kidding , i run high teck oil and its $80 for 5 litres , so yours was $250 , should have gone to spec savers .

      I run the same motor and i have used 2 litres in 8500kms , and thats normal for a VAG motor , more porkies .

      The ecoboost motor would use similar oil and would not consume oil i vast amounts , thats just scare mongering .

      • Sal01-12-74

        Are you guys for real? Take the cars back to your dealers if they are using that much oil. I have an RS250 with 2.0L turbo and I never had to add a drop of oil in 26000km between services.

      • Jackk

         That’s amazing.  I run the Ford 4.0L inline six and in 165,000 it chews ZERO oil.  The level does not change between services.
        Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of the Ecoboost and the VW TSI a lot (especially the twincharger 1.4). 

  • Duggy

     About time Ford. Just fuel consumption is not all to consider. Rego is cheaper too as it’s a 4cyl. So what does it do on an open road cruise say from Melb to Sydney? Around 7ltrs? With it’s good road manners this would make a comfortable economical interstate cruiser.

  • Fake Name

    Would be interesting to see what FPV can do with it.

  • TG

    Well whadya know, carsales get it right and pit the Ecoboost against the Camry Hybrid (and 3.0 SIDI). 

  • Duramax1

    stock standard 5 speed FG XT which is not only 15kg lighter and more potent than both when you run it on RON98 which gives it 208kW and 420Nm of torque but with combination with a 5 speed which is not torque management system governed like the 4 and the 6 speed auto; this car pulls away by 1 full car length from the Eco-Lpi 4.0L Falcon any day any time.

Ford Falcon Specs

Car Details
Body Type
New Price
Private Sale
$13,860 - $15,750
Dealer Retail
$15,360 - $18,260
Dealer Trade
$11,000 - $12,600
Engine Specifications
Engine Type
Engine Size
Max. Torque
409Nm @  3250rpm
Max. Power
198kW @  5000rpm
Pwr:Wgt Ratio
Bore & Stroke
Compression Ratio
Valve Gear
Drivetrain Specifications
Drive Type
Final Drive Ratio
Fuel Specifications
Fuel Type
Fuel Tank Capacity
Fuel Consumption (Combined)
13.9L / 100km
Weight & Measurement
Kerb Weight
Gross Vehicle Weight
Not Provided
Ground Clearance
Towing Capacity
Brake:2300  Unbrake:750
Steering & Suspension
Steering Type
Turning Circle
Front Rim Size
Rear Rim Size
Front Tyres
215/60 R16
Rear Tyres
215/60 R16
Wheel Base
Front Track
Rear Track
Front Brakes
Rear Brakes
Front Suspension
Control Link, Coil Spring, Gas damper, Anti roll bar
Rear Suspension
Leaf spring, Hydraulic double acting shock absorber
Standard Features
Power front seat Driver
Control & Handling
Electronic Brake Force Distribution, Traction Control System
Cruise Control, Multi Function Steering Wheel, Power Steering, Trip Computer
Radio CD with 4 Speakers
Power Mirrors
Cloth Trim, Power Windows
Dual Airbag Package, Anti-lock Braking, Head Airbags, Side Airbags, Seatbelts - Pre-tensioners Front Seats
Central Locking Remote Control, Engine Immobiliser
Optional Features
Automatic Air Con / Climate Control
Aluminium Tray, Metallic Paint, Towbar
Service Interval
12 months /  15,000 kms
36 months /  100,000 kms
VIN Plate Location
Pass Side Eng Scuttle
Country of Origin