Rudd says LCT increase not out yet
September 4, 2008 by George Skentzos
The saga surrounding the proposed increase to the luxury car tax isn’t over yet, despite the Senate overturning the bill this morning.
The Federal Government has stated it will reintroduce the defeated bill, attacking the Opposition over its actions arguing that it will take more than $500 million from the Budget surplus.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has said the Opposition is effectively putting the wealthy before the needs of families.
“I think it’s remarkable that in the first defining vote in the Senate of the new Senate on a major tax measure before the Parliament and the nation, the Liberal Party stands up and says … ‘we the Liberal Party are going to say that our first legislative action is to ensure that you can get a cheaper luxury car’,” he said.
However it seems Mr Rudd is significantly out of touch with today’s motoring industry, with the severely outdated $57,000 threshold labelling cars such as the new Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X as ‘luxury’ models.
Furthermore, Australian family favourites such as the Holden Sportwagon SS-V and Toyota Tarago V6 GLi are priced just shy of this mark, with almost any factory option pushing these models beyond the luxury tax threshold.
“Next sitting week we will attempt again to get the Liberals to become responsible, to say the needs of Australian families are more important than the purchases of luxury cars, and we ask all senators to put Australian families first.” said Mr Rudd.
This narrow minded rhetoric is based upon the assumption that anyone who can afford a car worth more than $57,000 has money to burn, when in fact these ‘luxury’ car buyers and families are one in the same.
Treasurer Wayne Swan also ridiculed the Coalition for its opposition to the car tax and other Budget measures such as raising taxes on pre-mixed drinks and condensate.
“We’ve seen the philosophy of the Leader of the Opposition, it’s been laid out in the Senate. They stand for big oil, fast cars and they stand for Bacardi Breezers.”
Oh dear.
Let’s hope common sense prevails.
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This labor government is pathetic. Their “save the ozzie battler” approach is so old fashioned its not funny. I have nothing against the luxury car tax, but maybe that luxury car tax should start at 100K+, not the low 57K. What can you buy these days for 57K, nothing decent anyhow.
KEVIN RUDD = WORST PRIME MINISTER EVER!
alright…out of you 2..who voted for the fool?
Kevin Rudd, you smug, self satisfied bastard. I would punch you in your smug “hybrid this carbon that” face. You and Penny Wong can rot in hell. When can we get someone with decent economic sense into government!?!?!!?!? Bring Costello back, he and Johnny built our nation a glorious surplus of money!!
I voted for him, and I stand by my vote for many other reasons. Please don’t attempt to discuss them with me, as you don’t know what they are.
But this LCT was disappointing short-sighted. I was brought up in an Aussie battler Labor voting household and it would be nice if my odd hours and hard-working occasional 14 hour days yielded sufficient income to reward myself with a car that costs maybe a little over $57,000.
It would assuredly have the most complete passive and active safety items on board for the money as well as a diesel or hybrid drivetrain that consumed no more than 7l/100 kms.
It’s time also that Rudd added hard working singles who don’t enjoy the living expense break of couples, to his working families rhetoric.
Devil666 you TOSSER!!
Since Rudd has come in he has met most of his promises ( Reconciliation, Kyoto,Withdrawl of troops ( which has eased economy pressure) and now A REDUCTION IN INTEREST RATES!). Granted he still has a LONG way to go, it was best that Howard went while he was stale (and I cant imagine he could keep us afloat EVEN during a mining boom for much longer). Rudd is far too conservative for my tastes but he is not doing too badly..
As for the LCT issue, most of the proposed increases are completely negligible. The Robin Hood method makes perfect sense because the benefit the tax is likely to flow back to the customer in one way or another anyhow.
What a shame so many morons are so fixated on ONE particular party, they can’t see the bigger picture.
Why are none of my posts coming through? Everything i type is “awaiting moderation”?!?!?!
well that isn’t, are words like Howard, Rudd and Labor banned words now? I can’t work out any other reasons why my posts won’t come through as I have checked and their is no swearing in it…
Although this doesn’t mean I support the luxury car tax, I must say this: $57000 is not enough for most performance cars, it is however A LOT for A CAR for most commoners! I don’t think Kevin Rudd and his Labor government deserve such harsh criticism.
oh well, i won’t have my full say then, i’ll just say this – people who didn’t see this coming regarding Rudd deserve what they get. Any fool could see that he was just a bunch of hot air with no substance behind him. This LCT is just the tip of the iceberg in Labor’s anti-wealth agenda.
And PoisonEagle the “Robin Hood” method is a VERY dangerous road for a government to be going down, because where does it end? And why should those who are successfull have to support those who aren’t? I mean i believe in social equality and all the rest of it, but their is an awefull lot of people in this world who are not successfull purely because of the poor decisions they made. Yes their is alot of dissadvantaged in this world through no fault of their own, and they should be supported, but i’ll be damned if I have to support someone who just is on “struggle street” purely because of the decisions he or she made, ie not persuing a career and have just floated around their whole lifes, why should i support a floater who made the choice not to focus themselfs? Thats just madness! I’m happy to support the truly needy, but not the lazy!
and PoisonEagle don’t be daft, Rudd had nothing to do with the interest rate cut, just like he had nothing to do with the interest rate increases that came just after he came to power. Interst rates CAN be effected in some ways by government policy, however the last few rate increases, and the most latest rate cut, have been 100% down to the underlying economic conditions which had absolutely nothing to do with either the current government, nor the previous government.
ABC – define “most consumers” because their appears to be an awefull lot of consumers out their paying exactly that much, and alot more! Why do they deserve to be excessively taxed? The LCT in the first place is just a blatent “hey lets hit the rich” tax in the first place, and suprise suprise it’s a labor government which wants to increase it!
oh and by the way, my wage is $45,000 a year, so i’m definetly not rich, but I am working hard both at work and at uni to try and get ahead, and yep i have no problems saying that I one day hope to be doing very well for myself, and i resent any notion that if I acheive my goals I should then be punished for being “too successfull”
sorry for so many posts, but the social ist rubbish that labor goes on with sometimes really gets up my nose! I have voted for labor in the past, although i regret the two times i did! But unless something fairly major changes in the next couple of years i don’t think i’ll be ticking the old ALP box again any time soon! And no i didn’t vote for Rudd, I woke up to labor before he came along, and he did nothing to make me think otherwise.
I didn’t vote for the milky bar kid, so I’m glad the LCT got pulled back! Seriusly, Luxury car tax at 57K is just rediculas!!! I reckon all automobiles should be taxed at an egual rate!! Seriusly, all this taxing is only hurting the wealthy middle class, the true multi millionars will claim it on bussiness, or get a personal tax rulling… Seriusly the present taxing system in australia makes me wonder why i bother, maybe i should just bum itout on dole?!… Luckily I’ll be working overseas next few months and won’t have to pay any tax!! :-)
i have one word for KR…. GO BACK TO UR HOLE BOGAN…!
Rudd is stuck in the same old boring lines hes been pulling since the start of Kevin 07′, working families, aussie battlers, aussie fair go. Given Howard had his flaws, Im sick of the tax the “rich” and give to the “working families”.
I think the words “rich” and “working families” need to be looked hard at, rich means you can buy a 57k car (doesnt matter what loan, or how long you saved for it) and “working families” means you have a job, any job, you dont even need to work much, and that you’ve popped out atleast one kid. As for everybody else, they can go to hell. Please Kevin, get with the times mate.
Id pick apart at more but your (CarAdvice’s) article really says it all, I agree 100% with everything written there.
Hear hear Richo.
Why doesnt Ruddy tax yachts, jewelery and private jets more? Thats way more “luxury” than a $57,000 car. Oh and yeah, we have an inflation problem. So lets solve that by MORE taxes.
Andy,
He doesnt tax those things becasue those are things alot of people may want.
Not everybody is a car enthusiast, alot of people, that can proabably afford alot more then 57k for a car, probably settle with a normal Falcon, Commadore or Camry, and spend there money on holidays, jewlrey, and pimping out there houses.
In fact this tax is not so much a tax on rich people, but more a tax on car enthusiasts.
Not that I can afford a ‘luxury’ car, but it did seem a little unfair. Why don’t we raise taxes on the rich?
I love how Rudd has no grasp on reality at all.
“‘we the Liberal Party are going to say that our first legislative action is to ensure that you can get a cheaper luxury car’,” he said.”
What? Luxury cars are now CHEAPER after said outcome? Wow I’m gonna go buy one….
PoisonEagle: My dear, he’s a politician, not my friend. I want him to run a successful country that benefits myself, my family and the ones I love; the nation I contribute to. I don’t care if he doesn’t keep promises (Which is good, because there are many he hasn’t kept). Thats not what politicians are about. Have you not learnt this by now? They are bullshit artists by nature, and supposedly good at looking after national interests. Clearly this one got a D in economics.
-Saying sorry is a matter of great debate that we shall not get into.
-Kyoto was a bad decision in terms of economic prosperity and not in our best national interests (Penny Wong eat your heart out) thus the reason Howard declined from signing it. Considering Kyoto is based on GLOBAL carbon emissions you would realise that Australia, globally, emits under 10% of total emissions annually. In terms of the economic cost of “50:50 by 2020″, the 2% of global emissions reduction that clearly YOU are prepared to make Australia pay for will be lost amongst the x% increase from developing nations exempt from said protocol.
-Kevin Rudd has nothing to do with interest rates you twat.
-Robin Hood may work in cartoons and movies but raising taxes in such a way would disturb the balance between revenue from LCT and sales of LCs. Rudds supposed $550 million of money that not only does he not have, but linked to a surplus his predecessors turned into billion dollar debt, is not based on reduced sales that the implementation of such a tax has already created in the few months it has existed.
The bigger picture for Rudd and Penny Wong is to have Australia PAY to reduce world emissions on behalf of China and India.
In the mean time, I’m gonna go buy freshly reduced-price luxury car.
Suck on my carbon emissions.
Actually no, I’ll plant a tree or two to suck them up :)
I voted for Rudd and am glad Howard is gone, i would have voted for Hitler as long as Howard got what he deserved HOWEVER, Mr Rudd watch out coz you are pissing a lot of people off including myself and run the real risk of being a one term government…..i personally won’t vote for him again and know of many more people that are just as frustrated with this government!!!!
Mr Rudd you are a great man and I hope in power for many more years.68% approval that is fantastic Go kevin.To the stupid people here dont blame any government for your horrible sad pathetic boring lives.
Just throwing my opinion in here from NZ. NZers voted in a Labour government in 1999 and we’re paying through the nose to support bludgers and no-hopers. Mark my words: there are more and more taxes to come. That’s just how Labour governments work. We will finally be free of Sir Helen in November when our National party will win our election. It’s a disgrace that you should pay a tax for a so-called luxury car; we don’t have that here. Vote Rudd out at the next election or your country will end up like ours!
As I said…..when you Dudd suckas want to stand in politics let me know. I have quote after quote of Dudd and his L plater gang and you ill-informed tossers who simply state that it was a mess when Howard left and cant blame Dudd for economy how bad are too simple! Your recall on his promises astounds me and you really need to get some light on matter as head stuck far up somewhere dark!
UNNDER DUDD….4RATE RISES AND 1 DECREASE IN 10MONTHS.
HOWARD IN 11YEARS – THERE WHERE 10RATE RISES. ECONOMY WAS A LOT WORSE WHEN IMPACT OF SEPT 11 2001 HIT HOME AND MARKETS MEGA COLLAPSED. THE RATIO IS WAY LOBSIDED HERE. WHY WOULD DUDD CARE……some 2 months ago he said he has done everything he can to ease the cost of living and there is nothing more he can do. Now Friar Tuck Dudd says Sept 3rd….much much more to be done in helping Australian families dealing with cost of living pressures. The man is a one hit wonder and gloss is faded. He got in as Howard was on nose as there too long and he never stood down and handed over to Costello before last election. Was stunned at markets yesterday who said current account deficit for the quarter should of been a $100million surplus…..in typical ALP fashion it has blown out to $710million. Real meaty traditional ALP stuff and this will impact and flow on with the combined effects of Dudd wage rises which have forced inflation up. When went to Carins read The Australian paper…..in it Dudd was offering some 22% wage rise to some group of public servants and that they were warned not to go ahead with it as will force inflation up and as it involved heaps of people it wont be good…..Dudd did it! I challenge you simple-tons to get the newspaper and start dealing with your clouded recall and blurb! The guy is a tosser!
typo above….when went to Cairns June 5th. The paper was quite in depth about why not to endorse a willy nilly approach to wage rises and keep them pegged and the comments were not from coalition – but economists.
INTEREST RATES are effected by govt who sets agenda for economic reform which impacts economy. The bank reacts to this – Dudd does not change the rates! With wage rises (quite a lot of them have occurred) inflation goes up, consumer spending hits the brakes, business confidence and investment go down, building goes down, taxes on luxury cars get added, carbon trading tax will hit harder again, a blowout in current account deficit, etc. Not to mention worse off under employment agreements now compared to scaremongering of ALP and its bed partner the unions. Talk to business owners and read papers….its worse now but your tunnel vision to limit your thinking outside your ALP diet is evident. Then his promises start to become smoke and mirrors with his hollow nothingness EDUCATION REVOLUTION where every kid will have a laptop to work on. No fine detail about software issues, how to implement, who installs hardware and software, who installs installation and connection points. Real detail….yet only talk with Dudd waving a laptop and blah blah blah! Like his FuelWatch shtye….what a waste of $ and real basic. Then magic wand went over to GroceryWatch…. $13million spent on site that is updated once a month. How good is that? Real Mr Bean stuff and it means organisations who are astute can simply log on…. see prices in area and change to suit and they make more profit! Real basic nothing blurb!
Alcopops tax get added. Other taxes go up as CPI pressures and with account deficit heading north means less pool to pay back what Govt mismanage! This is where we are at!
Heard some labor government polly winge how the libs are protecting the rich who buy cheap porches and rolls roices. Don’t ever recall them being sold for $57000.
I’m glad this bill was defeated. It has to be one of the most short sighted pieces of policy to come from any government ever.
I have nothing against the government wanting to get more money to secure our future, but this government is going about it the wrong way.
Firstly if they do want to increase the rate at which “luxury cars” are taxed at then they need to also raise the current $57,180 starting point to somewhere around $80,000 (or maybe a little higher)
I also agree with people who have said things like yachts and private jets and expensive jewelry should be taxed more.
I think Kevin Dudd has expired all the air from his little brain from repeating his “working families” bull sh !t too many time. Maybe he should go and have a Bex and a lay down.
To state the obvious, KRudd has no idea. The increase in LCT is unlikely to produce increased revenue as it slows sales. It is a sop to the party (ALP) faithful who envy those who work for something better. Despite the recent fall in interest rates, interest rates remain higher since the election, inflation remains higher since the election, food prices remain higher since the election and fuel prices remain very much higher. In 2007 KRudd had answers since being in government-none. Please KRudd, the next time you go overseas, don’t come back.
I voted for Rudd, too. Howard had taken on the characteristics that many from the last century would abhor.
Howard & Costello didn’t do a hugely bad job, I mean, how hard is it to count money that keeps pouring in regardless of what crap you do.
Rudd has so far done a pretty good job, but I just can’t agree with him on this LCT thing. The surplus DOES NOT NEED to be bigger – it’s a mountain we can’t climb over or spend as it is. If it were spent (and Howard didn’t spend it either, he preferred to lose 70 billion on investment gambling early in his dictatorship) inflation would go out of control.
As for the total nutjobs who post irrational crap on this forum against Rudd, let me suggest
1) Get over it – he was voted in
2) Take a close look at the opposition – not even one person deep.
3) Are you getting off your uneducated asses and joining the Liberal Party so you can be the next PM ? – if not, SHUT THE FCKUK UP with your stupid B/S.
For those with a brain, I advise that I live in a seat that has been a totally safe labour seat for the entire 23 years I’ve lived here, and probably long before that.
That actually means it didn’t matter where my single vote went in the overall context.
But Wheelers Hill, VIC, a SAFE LABOUR SEAT for more than 20 years, has one of the highest average incomes and levels of education in the country. And a large percentage of cars over the LCT threshold.
The people who voted this labor government in obviously have short memories or are to young to remember how they stuffed this country last time they were in.It took Howard years to fix it, just watch them do it again whilst your drinking $ 8.00 cans of bourbon.PS dont work hard and try to reward yourselves you will just pay more tax so “battlers ” can sit on their ass.
reckless1 – sit the f#ck down, we are allowed to have an opinion mate! Thats what politics are all about! Just because we aren’t a paid up member of a specific party doesn’t mean we can’t have an opinion! In this country voting is compulsory, so you can’t then turn around and say “but unless your in a party you can’t have an opinion”
You should be the one to shut the f#ck up if you can’t handle people having a political opinion that differs from your own!
And you say Howard was running a dictatorship.. he was voted in 4 times mate!! how is that a dictatorship? The people voted for him because for a very long time he was the best available! Would you have preferred beazley, crene or (shudder) latham?
As i said, if you can’t handle other peoples opinion, it should be you who f#cks off and not people who are just voicing their opinion about an article about the government! If the government wasn’t held accountable to people who don’t agree with him, as well as those who do, then THAT is when things go bad because they don’t give a shit about what the population thinks and things get out of hand. Thats why we run a democracy and the pier of a democracy is that people are allowed to have an opinion! So again, YOU shut the f#ck up!
And mate, believe it or not people who have a different opinion to you DO still have a brain… it’s people who blindly follow what others say who are brainless!
and incase your wondering, my post was in response to point 3 in your first post where you said that unless people are a member of a party then they should shut up with their “b/s”
don’t you love it when someone doesn’t agree wtih you then you MUST be talking b/s, couldn’t possibly be the other way around……
Quote “This narrow minded rhetoric is based upon the assumption that anyone who can afford a car worth more than $57,000 has money to burn, when in fact these ‘luxury’ car buyers and families are one in the same.
Yeah too right……………watching the news last night and the Labour party going on about Ferrari owners and Porsche owners,geez how much do they think a Ferrari costs? This is one of the worlds most taxed countries in the world already .
So typical of the Labour party to have spent the money before they have it,Im glad I dont run a business like that you would go down the tube if you did!
Fingers crossed they dont get it through………..
Yeah BM i saw them going on and on about ferrari’s and porsche’s but geez we aren’t talking about a LCT that kicks in at $100,000 we are talking about 57,000 which is still not a small price to pay for a car, but its hardly “luxury” cars! The LCT is massively out of touch but the labor party knows that if they go on about porsches and ferrari’s for long enough then the crack heal brigade and the so called “battlers” who suffer from cronic tall poppy syndrome will get behind em saying things like “Yeah bugger those rich bastards! how dare they! ra ra ra”. And lets face it those sorts of people are the ALP’s number one constituants. Sorry but they just are, you can tell that in every speach a labor minister makes, the underlying vibe is always “we’re gonna work hard for working families (which is code for “battlers”) and we’re gonna tax the rich to afford it”.
I’m just sick of it. And Reckless1 i AM allowed to feel that way, despite your protests!
Richo, Maxiumus Bavarian & some others (the majority), you all took the words out of my mouth.
MPS Carl, too right mate, well spoken.
As for Rudds approval rating…….It is called a honeymoon period & it is ever so surely starting to slip. People wanted a change…Well, unfortunately this change will see more taxes than what you have ever had to pay before.
As for the LCT, the threshold has to be increased at least 10-15% before the Federal Gov’t should be allowed to get their ever so greedy hands on our hard earned.
Fun times ahead….NOT..!
Yep Riker seems Mr Sheen has lost his shine…………
Howard had very high approval ratings untill about 18 months out from the last election when things started to slide badly. Same thing can happen to Rudd, but its dependant on the libs organising who their leader is going to be going into the next election. I actually don’t mind Brendan Nelson, but he is not prime minister material, and I think even he would know that he is just doing the job on a temporary basis untill the libs nail down who they want to put foward for the next election.
Wow, Reckless, thanks for coming in here and calling us all un-educated, so just because we didn’t vote the same as you, or are as left leaning as you, or dare question the fairness of a ‘luxury’ car tax that is set at a level far below ‘luxury’, that makes us all un-educated. Good to see that lefty elitism from the Keating era is still alive and well.
To PoisonEagle, I ask this. Since Rudd said sorry to the Aboriginals, have their living conditions improved, or the discrepancy between life-expectancy between aboriginal and non-aboriginal australians decreased? Since we signed the Kyoto treaty, has our carbon emissions reduced? Has the US felt any more compelled to ratify it themselves? Contrary to what you said about troop withdrawals from Iraq, current cost of operations has increased from 07-08.
The point being that although everyone loves these lightweight, feel good gestures from the current Labor government, feel good gestures don’t actually instigate any change, they in themselves don’t improves anything. Eventually the Australian people will (and are) get sick of these lightweight, non-actioning gestures and start wanting actual change. Setting up a committee or a “current hot topic”Watch by itself will not fix anything.
As for luxury car tax, I think its ridiculous. Luxury cars already have a tax based on their worth, its called stamp duty, it itself is tiered based on the cost of the car. If Rudd wants to steal money from the ‘rich’ to give to the poor, then lets add a tax to jet ski’s, which are clearly more of a luxury given they are a recreational toy, or private jets, or massive 5 bedroom mansions for couples with no kids.
I earn more than the national average, and I already pay more tax as a result. But I also earn more money because I busted my arse through uni so I finish my engineering degree and could get the job I wanted and as a result get paid more. Why should I get slugged yet again on top of all the other extra tax I pay to support the art degree bludgers who spent the vast majority of the time smoking pot and drinking, whilst doing 2 hrs of uni a week, and who now complain because they couldn’t get a high-paying job because they are bludgers. Just because I may want to reward myself for all the hard work I’ve put in and continue to put in by buying a nice car, and I’m not talking Ferrari F430 nice car, but just a C-class or A4, or even a nice Falcon with some extra’s. And what about farmers and the tourism industry who might need 4WD’s for their work. Its a punishment for success, a success that I made by myself with my own energy and sacrifice, and I think that it is the same for a great deal many Australians.
Yes, there are people who do bust their balls to earn a small living, people near the poverty line who can’t get above that line because they work so hard just to keep surviving. But there is a framework to support those people, a framework that sadly gets burdened with plenty of other people who complain about food pricing whilst they stay at hope eating KFC and watch Today Tonight on their plasma screen TV’s.
well put Richo
The more one digs into this scene – the deeper it is and keeps going like quicksand.
I was for change….now exact opposite as really amatuer stuff, hollow words spoken and Dudd does not got my vote again. He had right bravado and words….still a puppet for ALP and here was me thinking they have changed and this guy will railroad that change. Iam with small business and the market here….gone cold on him and disapprove!
Seems like the majority of posters on this site have seen Rudd for what he really is. Funnily enough the story seems to be much the same – Richo, Genie et al – in that we are the ones who work our backsides off week in week out, only to be punished by even more tax. I unfortunately live in a safe Labor seat in SEQ, and I am hugely sick of my taxes going to support the many dole bludgers in the area. While welfare is deserved in many cases, it is hugely abused by a vast number of people and under this government it will only get worse.
It’s awesome that at least some pollies are willing to stand against the incompetence of this government’s current regime…
Welfare conditions always improve under labour – they have to because the ALP tends to blame everything on the employers, make the cost of employing staff increase which results in exactly those people who voted them in being put out of work. Talk about a vicious cycle! As an employer of about 15 staff, before Rudd we had to desperately try to keep staff happy so they wouldnt leave for other jobs – it was the hardest part of business ownership, with wages going up maybe 10% per annum at least. In the current economy, post election, the staff are all pretty much happy just to have a job. There is no upward pressure on wages – the contrary in fact. There are many reports of mass sackings, even in the services sector. If any of our staff left now, we’d replace them for thousands less. I’d have to say that this has been the silver lining of having an inexperienced government. and who is it hurting the most? The people on less than $50K per annum – traditionally ALP voters.
Genie. Hear Hear.
May the current short-sighted LCT amendments fail again and again and again.
Simple Solution: Raise GST to 15% on everything (cooked chickens or not) and abolish all other taxes, levies, duties, rates or whatever they like to call them (income inclusive*).
Basically we’ll all have more to spend and be taxed accordingly.
(*Income tax was introduced after world war 2 to pay for the war debt along with the promise that it would be abolished once done so…Are we still paying for WW2?)
Ok im generalising here so no flaming.WHy should someone work there but through chool and uni so they can get a high paying job and the nicer things in life whil the oorer preople complain these people are usually th ones that dropped out in grade 10 and work at mcdonalds.The average working family man should be able to buy a land cruiser or wat ever without getting slugged extra.
Just like the Harbour Bridge Fenno…. the toll was to pay for that mmmm pretty damn certian its been paid for by now as well…Iemma’s out and Costa lets keep sacking them let’s call the Govenor General..he helped us last time
The more you earn the more you pay. umm helloe that’s always been the case!
I’m stumped as to how $57,000 is classed as an average price for an average vehicle!?
I’m sorry $57,000 on a motor vehicle is a ‘luxury item’ and before anybody bashes me for being a high earner hater or car hater, i earn very decent money and cars are one of my passions, i work in the auto industry.
Cars are a waste of money first and formost, you have over $57,000 grand to burn a vehicle alone, you can afford many things, thats reality, kids or no kids.
There is a large variety of vehicles under $50 grand!!
a bloke once told me this,and i’ve always remembered it because it still rings true…the liberal party is all about seperating the rich for the poor..and the labour party is all about helping the poor to the real benefit of nobody…it would seem that both partys’s need each other to exist.In italy,which has always had a reasonable economy,a formed goverment doesn’t seem to last longer than 9 months…could this be an answer….
Take and give in many different forms based on what party is in power, same crap different day scenario.
We are over governed and pollies will always screw you over.
At the end of the day the economy is controlled by the general publics spending habits, we control our greedy apetities and the economy remains stable!
Check out the over spending on home load re-draw facilities, credit card debt etc…
Then we blame whatever political party is in power for the slowdown in economy, the economy will always have peaks and troughs, you can’t have the good and not the bad people.
Adam – our argument isn’t whether 57k is or isn’t alot of money to pay for a car, our argument is why should people who have acheived success be punished for that success? Thats the argument mate.
But back to your argument, 57k buys a farmer a 75 series ute (once he has added on the necessary accessories such as towbars as well as on roads) are you suggesting that a farmer “treating himself” to a new work truck is a “luxury” purchase? The 57k cap is way out of proportion. What about the family with 5 kids who want to buy themselfs a new toyota torago to get around in? Thats over 57k once its on road, again would that be a luxury purchase? Again, the LCT is out of touch with reality.
Labor Turkeys…. this is a one term government for sure.
Richo, You dont pay LCT on commercial vehicles.
And if you listen to Adam (AkA MADA); the family in the Tarago should have brought a Kia Carnival…
But if you listen to Krudd. We should all be driving Prius’ and Civic Hybrids.
Boggy, the toll still remains in place on the Harbour bridge to cover the cost of handpainting it again every year. Not so the case with the Gateway bridge in Brissy. Promise was made to abolish toll once the bridge was paid for and yet the toll increases by 10c approx every 6 months. Where is this “tax” going?
CA, How about an article on all car related taxes and where the money is actually spent. Might make some good investigative journalism.(look out TT or ACA!)
We can only hope Greenroom…hey anybody out there know Mr Dudd’s email addy so we can send him our thoughts lol
Richo…
1. The more money you earn the more tax you get slugged, why is that concept suddenly new to some of you?
2. If you feel hard done buy as you earn more money, scale back, earn less and get taxed less.
3. Tha farmer doesn’t already get lower vehicle import tariffs compared to a similar priced passenger vehicle? for example you can buy more metal for your money with a BMW X5 compared to a BMW 5 series, ALL 4WDS are left of the hook in regards to import tariffs, true farm use 4WDs should be the ONLY ones getting the lower import tariff figure.
4. You’re not talking about the family farmer, most of you are whining about the status and excess of owning such a simple passenger vehicle, you want status, you pay for it! simple.
5. The family of 5 kids can easily spend no more than $40,000 on a used one year old tarago, you have to have rocks in your head to buy a brand NEW tarago!
Then the ’said’ family will complain once they trade in their 1-2 year old, bought brand new tarago when it lost nearly $20,000 in in resale…
buy smart not greedy, why do you think our economy goes up and down so much, most people live above their means…and we don’t like being told so.
We live in a world obsessed with having things new and replaced quicker and quicker…
fenno…
don’t assume, many options available to all of us, we simply choose not to see all of the choices we have available to us.
heck i earn too much as a single person, so i got slugged the extra mdeicare levy come tax time, the other choice i had was to join a basic private health cover and avoid paying the levy, at leats this way i can claim a 1/3 of the levy i pay the private health company every year.
i’d be better off earning 10-15 grand less a year, free health cover and less tax, more take home pay!
i still prefer to earn more money… like many of you choose to also.
Stop bitching.
your far better off buying a 6month to a one year old car than brand new, you lose far less money, go ahead buy new then whinge you lost your resale because you wanted the NEW car. please.
but Adam if people have worked hard, got themselfs some sucess and money and therefore a toyota torago IS within their means, why should they have to buy a 4 year old one? If they want a new one, why should they get taxed for doing that?
Ofcourse you pay more tax when you earn more, but this LCT is just a blatant tax against rich people, it is mate, you can’t argue that. You already pay higher stamp duty when buying a more expensive car, so why is it just to have another tax put ontop of that which is nothing more then a blatant grab for cash, but just because someone can afford a 57k car then they somehow deserve to have cash taken out of their wallets for no good reason?
the envy some people feel towards others just because they have the money to buy a more expensive car, THAT is where this tax came from, no where else. Its an unjustifiable tax. You already get taxed on buying a car in the form of stamp duty that goes on the price of the car (so you pay more duty on a 57k car already compared to a 20k car) and then you get taxed AGAIN simply because its over a magical threshold of 57k which somehow automatically makes the car a “luxury” car. So lets get this straight, you get taxed for doing buying a car, and then you get taxed AGAIN if the government feels that your purchase is just a bit too extravogant… gee what political model does that sound like… its not comun ism is it?
richo…
where di i say a 4 year old tarago? i said ONE year old, there isn’t much difference except for the status for which the buyer has a choice which is my whole point…
If it IS within there means, they have nothing to complain about, you can’t have all your luxuries and not pay for them. We all get taxed, buy new and you get taxed more while resale is also worse, heck you will lose more in resale then the extra tax you pay, again you have a choice buy near new and avoid the bloody tax! crist you have a choice!
stamp duty is based on purchase price buy a $5000 and you pay les than someone buying a $15,000 car, and?? that system has been in place for years across all states…under national/liberal i might add.
I pay huge amounts of tax every week due to my wage, i support whole families, and?? whing all you like, many things in life are unfair, and??
consider yourself very lucky compared too many on the lifestyle you and i lead, but most of the general public put themselves in debt then blame the goverment, blame the banks who financed the people who NEVER should have been approved for the so called ‘great Aussie dream’ of woing a house they can’t afford afford once they added to the pool and 2 NEW vehicles, because they had the right at the time…
If you think your financial position will remain the same for the rest of your life and have planned it that way, be my guest plan for the things you want to have, but if you didn’t plan and were bone head racking up debt left right and centre and EXPECTED interest rates would remain the same for 20 years flat, your a down right idiot!
$ 3 .00 per car .. sh*t !!! im goona become a bridge painter
Adam, glad we have people like you to tell us how we should spend our hard-earned money. Yes, I could buy a kia rio, and yes that would suffice, just like I could buy a fantastic furniture couch, or restock my pantry with homebrand everything. But thats not the point. I didn’t work my arse off throughout my life just so I can live like I’m still a uni student as nearly half my income goes to the government (more once you consider council rates, etc).
I understand why the ‘rich’ (hate that term, because its so relative) pay more tax than the less well off, but the point is we already do pay more tax, our income tax bracket is higher, we are already paying more stamp duty. Why should have to pay yet another tax on top of the already higher tax we pay just so we can get a more expensive car. And why only cars? By your logic there should be a luxury couch tax on all leather couches, a luxury house tax, hell, lets get creative and make a luxury toilet paper tax on all toilet paper greater than single ply, because clearly we can all get by on single ply, anything more and you’re just being a fatcat.
The tax simply makes no sense. Increasing it makes even less, particularly with no provision for the ‘luxury’ boundary to increase. I hope you feel guilty everytime you buy a bottle of coke instead of home brand ‘cola’, otherwise you’re just being a hypocrite.
Wow, did i ever say i agreed with the tax? NO.
I simply sick of the people who complain about anything and everything, i like how no one has adressed the fact we as nation have huge personal debt and that is one the main contributing factors of how our economy performs.
Yes the goverment, regardless of labour or liberal all screw us over, i agree completely.
We have choice about what we buy and how much we spend, thats reality.
we buy for wnat and need and that’s where many people don’t understand the difference.
As i said before, i earn good money and get taxed heavily, but i’m not one of these people who go out and buy material products to keep up apperances or keep up with what i should own to prove my worth.
I’m a car fanatic and work in the auto trade and could afford easily to buy a BMW or any high line badge but i find far more important things in life than simple materialistic items which have debt attached to the ‘warm fuzzy feeling’ that wears off once you own that lovery shiny vehicle for a few months.
But don’t…sit there and tell us you can’t afford this and that due to the extra tax our predictable, fat cat pollies have placed on another depreciating asset…for god sake!
you can whinge about one cost but not the other, you want nice things, you will pay for it…simple. that rule hasn’t changed it’s just become more prevelant due to our hunger for more expensive items and the need to change them over more often.
i have no issues with buying expensive items, i just choose to spend more wisely when i do spend up big, a motor vehicle is simply a waste of money and to sit and whinge about a tax when many other costs eat into the ownership experience is simply silly…
Whinge about the extra personal tax, food costs and many other taxes which have far greater reach relevant impact.
i’m not telling you how to spend your ‘hard earned’ earned cash, im simply asking some to put into perspective and stop drmatising one tax over what is a luxury item, a vehicle costing over $57 grand is one type of luxury, argue all you like but that’s that the fact, purchase price is not the only defining factor.
spend $57 grand on well thought out investments and i bet you the return will be far more rewarding, then you can go waste your hard earned cash on cars that do nothing but chew your hard earned cash!
To clarify above, I’m not saying I have to live like a uni student because half my money goes to the government, I’m just saying that I shouldn’t have to live significantly below my own means by pricing what would otherwise be within my means back out of it again with more taxes. The GST is fair because it affects everyone on everything (well, it would have if it hadn’t been fettled with), so the more people buy the more tax they pay. Willy nilly tacking on more taxes on random items is bad policy. I never spend more than $50 bucks on a shirt, so would it be ok if I throw an extra 33% tax on all shirts above $50? Whats luxury to me isn’t luxury to everyone.
as i do work in the auto industry i see the buying motivation for all class of people.
I wonder what proportion of the general working population would spend $57 grand on a ‘car’ even when they have that capability?
at least home loan debt is more secure.
I love these Uni Graduates. Three years at school and the Country owes them a minimum 100k plus career and all the trappings.
Might come as a surprise but many of us uneducated/unwashed work damn hard all our lives and are not on easy street after JUST three years.LOL.
I doubt many Uni lecturers would know much about real world applications considering most of them are socialist greenies.LOL.
Money has to come from somewhere. Better we sting the battler on 50k than remove the motivation to be rich from people that can afford luxury cars.
That FAMILY FIRST IDIOT spoke to God and God said that an increase in the Luxury car tax would punish struggling Farmers and Tour company operators.LOL.
Apparently God forgot to take into account GST Rebate and tax depreciation/offset and suggested that the 50k battlers pay for the lot!LOL.
Adam, you make a fair point, but lets me honest. This tax is in no way going to reduce personal debt in this country, or make people more responsible with their money. It is there for one purpose only, to generate more revenue for the government in such a way that won’t get the entire country up in arms.
And don’t try and claim the ‘controlling inflation’ card. Taking $500mil out of a $1 trillion economy won’t even take a mosquito’s fart out of the inflationary pressures in this country.
The exploding personal debt issue is caused by many factors. A big one stems from schools simply not teaching kids any monetary common sense. Another one is how easy it is to get money these days, three weeks ago I was waylaid by one of those stupid citibank creditcard people, but because I’m a big softy and can’t openingly ignore people I ended up giving them my name and address, thinking at most they would send me some info pack that I could promptly throw away, instead I received a creditcard with a $7500 limit. At no point did I show a license or a payment statement. Now I cancelled the card immediately, but whats to stop someone with less money-smarts doing the same thing? If you’ve used instore credit, then you’d know how easy it is to get money that way. Requires the most token of checks, and no pay slips to show you actually earn what you claim you do.
And then thats exacerbated by the fact people these days seem to be set in the mindset ‘I NEED EVERYTHING I WANT NOW!!!’. If the government can stop that by educating kids, by more heavily monitoring lending, then that will achieve more for the personal debt than any half baked tax on something that is not the real cause of personal debt issues anyway.
People blaming Crudd for any down turn after such a short time in office are obviously staunch Liberal/Conservatives and would never give Labour benefit of the doubt anyway.
As u say Adam economy is cyclic and tied in with the international economy. Besides Crudd hasn’t got any legislation through yet anyway. Reserve Bank does what it does regardless.
Perhaps u should congratulate Crudd for reducing interest rates if he is responsible for the down turn?
…and another thing. If Crudd can crack the Teachers Federation and implement a merit based system for Teachers Public Education will improve vastly. I have several children in High School and the apathy of SOME of the Teachers is really very depressing. Compared to 30 years ago in my time it is really depressing!
One of my best friends is a High School Teacher and he agrees.He is one of a rare bread that has answered a calling.
I now understand the huge push to private schools.
The merit based system for schools is a good idea in my opinion, provided that it isn’t totally geared towards HSC/VCE scores as the test for teacher competency. I know plenty of people who got to uni with VCE scores of 99 and completely flunk out because they couldn’t handle not getting spoon fed information and tested on nice neat little packaged problems.
Private enterprise seen a tax/cost loop hole and introduced Alco pops for want of a better term and Crudd plugged the loop hole as any even handed government would.
Why should one type of product receive a tax advantage over all other similar products in the market.
What’s the F%%%N mystery?
Realcars, why should one ‘luxury’ product receive a tax disadvantage over all other similar products in the market?
Where’s the F%%%N logic?
Go lick a PUSSYcat, Crudd
LCT is EVIL. Im not handing over any more of my money so dole bludgers can stop buying all home brand stuff.
I earn my money, and I plan to get a BMW 3 series. Why is that any different from another car? it also has for wheels an and engine.
But wait! A BMW has something else that other cars (normal family cars) don’t have: prestige. No matter how much you deny it, you get stuck in a traffic jam in a BMW, you get more respect than if you were in a Mitsubishi.
Sorry mate. Just the way humans work. Why do we admire celebrities? Cause they can afford even bigger extravaganzas (jets, yatchs etc) Why do we all go ooh and ahh when we see a lambroghini? They have a prestigous image!
In this world, many people value prestige, especially the upper middle or affluent class.
LCT was thought up by some idot who couldn’t afford a luxury car
LikeASurgeon – your a bit of an ass aren’t you, really.. Seriously you do NOT get more respect in a traffic jam if your in a BMW, infact you will probably get rolled eyes and people cutting you off, because contray to the way YOU think humans work, AUSTRALIAN’s have this horrible thing called the tall poppy syndrome. So they will see you in your BMW, and instantly disslike you. Sorry but thats just the way it is. Do i agree with it? Fck no! i hate every bit of the tall poppy syndrome but it IS a reality, unfortunately, and the result of this reality is things like the luxury car tax.
and the labor party
Then who takes credit fo the interest rate cut? RBA? Well correct me if I am wrong but perhaps policy influences that in some way or another…(particularly when a large portion of the budget is diverted from a pointless endeavor).
Richo, I understand your point but I dont see what you propose as an alternative method. Surprise me.
I cannot fathom why the slight increase is an issue- Will this send potential customers to struggle street? Unlikely. Why doesn’t basic logic prevail?
The universal level of ignorance when it comes to politics is f*cking astounding. Thats all I have to say on the matter. By all means continue this self-serving crap, but precious few of you actually know what you are on about. Seriously, some of these comments make TP look like the Dalai Lama. Stop clutching at straws and move on with life.
However, I concede Wayne Swan’s statement is utter vomit.
Long way to go but Liberal are desperate for press. With Brendan Nelson at the helm ,desperate measures will always be taken. BTW If any of you give Piers Akerman the time of day, it is time to hang yourself.
The logic to some of these ALP units astounds me. The way you decipher events with Dudd – flies in the face of consumer confidence in Dudd and small business approval has fallen from 49% when first in to less then 10%. Its time you stand on your backbone….you all state all is good and give it more time! If you simple-tons could go back to 1983-1996 you would see the same regime as now and nothing has changed. Obviously you think all small businesses are coalition voters…..they are deserting Dudd bigtime! Your tunnel vision following of smokes and mirrors mirage man Dudd is amazing and defies gravity. Maybe he should be BRAINS off that show THE THUNDERBIRDS… means well, into formulas and experiments and mega tries to sound unreal – but short on delivery, substance and quick to point blame!
If any of you give Steven Loosely the time of day, it is time to hang yourself real well.
Oil prices fell closer to $100 today, nearly 30% below July’s peak. Petrol has come down and prices only move from 1.70lt to 1.55lt…..yet barrel drop is much lower then that small percentage drop what I see at bowser!
Yet we have pollies ducking and weaving like the man Mundine getting knocked out with a small tap jab setting up kiddies stuff in FuelWatch and GroceryWatch as real meaty nothingness like every kid will have a laptop without any fine detail on implementation of software and hardware or connection thereof. I say we set up a website….call it PollieWatch. Throw $15million at it and once a month update the comments made (which simple-tons on here who support Dudd dont know, ignore or cant fathom and are happy with that…..but then again you basic lot try to quote back. What I said is HE STOOD FOR EASING THE COST OF LIVING AND HE HAS MEGA CONTRACDICTED HIMSELF AND HE OFFERS NO IMPROVEMENT AS PUT UP WHITE FLAG = you simple-tons are happy with that) by all pollies. Twenty lies and blah blah blah and we boot them out. Lets hope the pork barrelling, fibs, kiddie behaviour in parliament and the like is exercised on the website.
DUDD’S FOUNDATION WAS TO EASE THE COST OF LIVING AND EDUCATION REVOLUTION. HE SPOKE OF THIS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD OVER AND OVER AND OVER! YET HE STATES….not much else I can do as all done. If that is good as it gets and small business deserting him from 49% when elected to now less then 10%, business confidence has fallen heaps and current account deficit markets were hoping for $100surplus which for quarter went out to a massive $710million……then I say no wonder small businesses have massively left him and his blah blah. I think he needs another summit meeting. Lets call the TWENTY08 (as opposed to crikets Twenty20) and invite hollywood stars, footballers, criketers and business and debate why it has gotten worse and how it got worse and why has businesses deserted Dudd.
You simple-tons are saying 4rate rises and 1 minor rate fall in 10months is good……yet you say Howard was bad and the performance indicators on how a government operate and manage taxpayers money is the RBA who assess events to see what to do with interest rate. The government of the day cooks the meal and the RBA digests it to ensure the people dont over inflate and over spend to keep economy at a certain level so no crash and burn. So with that thinking…..if Howard bad you would have seen massive numbers of interest rate rises! This never happened and in 11YEARS THERE WERE 10 RATE RISES. THATS LESS THEN 1 RATE RISE A YEAR…..UNDER DUDD THAT HAS GONE OUT TO 4 RATE RISES IN 10 MONTHS…….the RBA has voted on how people react to market and have adjusted rates to suit. You simple-tons are happy with that means your head is stuck really hard up a dark hole on you!
You can all waffle around in your smoke and mirrors blurb on how bad Howard left economy…….your on your own there as performance indicator to that is RBA with interest rates and there were less then 1 rate rise over 11years and under Dudd 4 rate rises in 10months. If economy was so bad as you believe….the indicators in market and RBA would of shown it up. REALITY IS IT WAS NOT BAD! I look at these factors and not your nothingness empty comments!
typo…..that less then 1 rate rise over 11yrs under Howard and 4 rate rises in 10months under Dudd. So yes markets are wrong if listen to all you doom and gloom Howard bashers – if Howard increased deficit and left it in such a bad state as you fairies dream how come then next to minimal rate rises during those 11yrs….DONT THINK SO! FOOLS!
less then 1 rate rise per year over 11years VERSUS 4 rate rises over 10months. yes the sea saw is level….NOT!
Hit a sore point again by attacking your Liber-angels?
THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKETED TOWARDS THE END DESPITE THE RESOURCES BOOM- WHICH IS WHY WE WERE AFLOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Of course rates will still escalate at the start of a new tenure ,such was the momentum of Liberal’s failure.
If Howard came back in, rates would continue to rise and rise and rise! They did NOTHING in the last few terms.
Just because you want to make ridiculously drawn out statements in the face of more concise ones doesn’t make me a simpleton. And bringing up the distant past (1980s) has WHAT relevance? Clutching at straws.
Rudd hasn’t lived up to ALL of his promises but it’s a major step in the right direction. I’ve never read a more long winded piece of crap.
Eagle….NEVER SEEN SUCH BS DELUSIONAL COMMENTS IN MY LIFE. YOUR FULL OF IT AND LIVE IN A DREAM!
You have not provided anything at table of merit other then attack me for no reason….this makes you an ill-informed simpleton and displays your lack of depth on issue other then your gut feeling. Back to drawing board budgie boy!
Obviously your comment of skyrocketting interest rates under Howard towards end of his tenure are delusional…. again deal with reality (and not my views) and simply look at graph of when interest rate rises occurred on a time scale – as you have ALP on brain which clouds your recall and your smoke and mirrors answers warrant a dummy spit! Think you better pick up your dummy as belongs on you… LMAO massive at you!
LMAO at such a tiny irrelant nothing comment. If thats as good as you get……give up as you will have smoke coming out your ears from responding clearly and at issue at hand backed up with facts! LOL your dumber then thought! Ha Ha Ha
You want to lecture me about relevance? You have turned a blog about LCT into ‘The History of Labor’s Wrongs’ . And look how happy with yourself you are!
There’s no avoiding the basics I brought up earlier, all you have done is descended into details and non-sequotars in a desperate attempt to fluff your cause.Theres no avoiding the cold hard basics, which you fail to take on board.Howard went stale, Rudd was and is a slightly better alternative.It’s a no-brainer.
Why proceed when you are clearly on a smug agenda to spiel your views for all to see.
You have the issue at hand alright, maybe consider switching hands, or turn off the computer and go get laid.
Ill informed? You carry on like the crux of my statements was to attack your credibility, when there was like a sentence or two dedicated to that. You on the other hand resorted to that tactic fairly quickly.
To say I brought nothing to the table is to say ‘IM TOO BUSY THROTTLING MYSELF TO SEE THE BASIC COLD HARD FACTS.’
No the economy was not BAD, but what an ambiguous statement. It was surviving on the weight of our resources prosperity, which Howard was determined to sell us out to China. Like he sold us out with Telstra. GST makes the proposed LCT increase look like chicken feed, particularly when you consider how skewed taxation benefits were skewed towards the high end of town. If Howard stuck around ,it was only a matter of time the economy would start to crumble under his indolence.
Oh wait, the crumbling already started WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE!
When you want to lift the bar and display so acumen when it comes to your recall…let me know. Your gut feeling is smoke and mirrors and interspersed with innuendo and hoopla. Mate, the bar is set at ankle level….you keep knocking it off. I suggest you go get laid as might f*** some sense into your gut feeling on events you shadily recall! Give yourself a long spell….you might come good! LOL HA HA HA HA……..who cares for your drivel you pupport as being points you raised. The only thing you espouse is enough hot air to fill up a balloon you baboon!
HA HA. I will leave you to make a fool of yourself and your gut feeling. Would know if your ar** is on fire cobber as your recall recks of amnesia and not words spoken by pollies as your “own” gut feeling views!
oH….and you might want to encourage better responses by leaving your twisted gut feeling out of it and deal with facts. Like massive overdose of it! You might just get the comments back that you seek!
NM, Crudd hasn’t done anything to affect interest rates yet! THE SENATE HAS ONLY BEEN BACK A WEEK!
Talk about fair well u can argue that GST has screwed average income earners far harder than any LCT might their Higher income counterparts.
Lets be honest Howard really screwed the be jesus out of the average punter and then capped it of with Work choices to really give rogue employers out there the power to make the workers life a misery.Even workers with no union leanings realised they were being screwed.LOL
AWA WHAT A JOKE.
A drovers dog would have beaten Howard at the last election!LOL.
This could actually be a blessing in disguise because The fact that the Labor party are planning to re-introduce Mr Sheens LCT proposal to parliament nas early as next week after it was rejected by the senate just a couple of days ago indicates that its an important part of their mandate and is something the gummintt are going to keep pushing
However; if it gets rejected again [and maybe even for a third time] Mr Sheen may decide that he is unable work effectively with the current parliament and declare a “double disolution.”
Even though only half the senat seats would be up for grabs and its the senate where he is experiencing problems
This would mean yet another election which would give us the chance to get rid of him and his numerous committees
NM:That just proves what a smug you truly are, believing your own hype and that only your comments hold any substance. Despite the fact you are recycling things (ala Dingo) not only you said earlier but my own comments. It’s all well and good to diss my political acumen but you don’t say much to back it up. Keep stroking though, you are almost at the vinegar stroke, little .
Your a hipster dufus Eagle. Your too dumb to warrant any comment. Go get the laid stuff….any less then 4hrs will show how little a tosser you really are! Stick to cars! Dill
PoisonEagle Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKETED TOWARDS THE END DESPITE THE RESOURCES BOOM”
NM response……Yep Iam rearranging your own words…..its your dwebish sheepish quote you simpleton. Just goes to prove how little you know and how full of testosterone you are! Shame you cant channel it – go have that session and go 8hrs straight. LOL fairdinkum your a dumb basic bafoon!
As far as I can see Crudd has been managing the economy in the same way Howard had apart from a couple of blips on the radar such as Alco pop tax and LCT. Inflation was gaining momentum towards the end of Howard’s tenure and the RBA responded independently and accordingly.
If someone is struggling to pay 60,70 or 200k for a new car I won’t loose any sleep if they have to pay a little more for the privilege.
I bet the luxury car buyer didn’t loose any sleep when the average Joe effectively copped a 10% wage cut with the introduction of the GST? LOL.
Anyway if u are in business u get the tax and more back anyway on a vehicle so stop bloody whingeing.LOL.
If u hate Labour and Crudd and his style I respect that but to accuse Crudd of stuffing things up and being responsible for interest rates thus far less than a year in is just stupid.
Howard presided over one big bloody farm and one big bloody mine big deal.
All our first world manufacturing by and large down the toilet.
Want to blame Keating for the level playing field well Howard did nothing to change the situation to save manufacturing in this country either!
Come on, guys.
Howard lost. Nyah.
Go to Bunnings.
i voted for Rudd to get Howard out on the workchoices (no choices) issue, but iam dissapointed re the LCT, $57k isnt much these days when you want to select a good Falcodore with the latest safety features, if they must, make it > 100k now that would be a bit of a luxuary car…
1. Yes Iam in business and fully aware of current legislation that replaced WorkChoices (reality is its worse and others in business agree and anyone with a forehead 10mms across would see this…. and so papers I read; and not your spin doctor witch craft tangled up beliefs with spun out recall at history
2. I think you guys need to be a swinging voter like me… your tooooooooooooooooooooooo fixated on one party and all you can do is state that its too early to state whether he is bad……markets have reacted and so has account deficit and your still in the gloss and time machine of the train that was Kevin07 glitz, sparkles and glitter
3. Just quote words spoken by pollies…..its better then your recall and your own history that is more abstract and obtuse at best
You lot have not provided detail or quotes and at best blah blah blah! Lets “simply” cast a eye over words spoken if you want to show me your hand! Iam prepared to the hilt so give it a tilt
Realcars Says:
September 6th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Quote….I bet the luxury car buyer didn’t loose any sleep when the average Joe effectively copped a 10% wage cut with the introduction of the GST? LOL”
NM RESPONSE………….what a load of BS; deal with reality! Taxes came off and one went on. Goods did not go up which meant a 10% loss on wages! Suggest you go back to school and not come out with outlandish unionised PR shyte! Your spin doctor logic is real sand pit stuff and your like a captain going down on the ship with you pulling levers willy nilly with no idea. Gee whiz – its only the depth what varies with you bizarro lot! BIRDS OF FEATHER TRULY FLOCK TOGETHER……….LMAO MASSIVELY AT YOU
Maybe you and Eagle should unite and see if you can declutter your obscure thinking and come up with something meaningful and true! Hey if you ever stand for politics… let me know as Iam well versed and know my shyte and no how spoke what and who promised what.
Iam with Golfie……cant chat here as you barely rate sanity in your comments! FACTS…..QUOTES = nil from you lot
CLASSIC WAY OUT THERE QUOTES FROM YOU 2:
1. I bet the luxury car buyer didn’t loose any sleep when the average Joe effectively copped a 10% wage cut with the introduction of the GST? LOL
2. THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKETED TOWARDS THE END (as in end of Howard’s time) DESPITE THE RESOURCES BOOM
No more comment other then if your political brain was combined as a rubber band….it would not fit around a canaries leg. I will let you two baboons make a utter fool out of yourselves as not one more response to such utter total drivel gutter trash syhte! Get out of the pram…. your comments are simple and ham!
When GST come in….some things went up a bit when existing taxes were taken off. Most stayed same! Majority went down. Back to your abacus on that one!
Yes NM thats why the budget has been in surplus since the introduction of the GST because we are paying less net tax as a result.LOL.
Even Costello couldn’t believe the huge windfall brought by GST to the Government coffers.
This despite several reductions in the marginal tax rate and company tax during Howard’s reign.
Personal tax changed from progressive to regressive.
Anyway looks like the people that brought us work choices are on their way back i.e result in WA and the chair sniffer is treasurer.LOL.
Voted Liberal last time NM.
Howards super concessions are very good but upstarts are going to pay to keep me in luxury in retirement.LOL.
More revenue loss to the government.
know blokes 55 and over working and not paying a cent tax.
put their wage into super then draw down on super.
If the 20 somethings new I reckon there might be a revolution NM.LOL.
Thks Mr Howard!
Outgoing Governor General to cost us 2.5million a year indexed for the rest of his life whether he retires or not and this has bipartisan support!
2.5m here, 22 million there by both sides of the pigs at the trough!
Too many people in this country on the gravy train in government,public service and private industry(large companies) that’s the real problem!
Asleep at the wheel my friend.
Barnaby Joice for Prime Minister!!!!!
GOTTA AGREE WITH TROUGH…THE DEEP MESSY FULL TO SCUPPERS WITH LERKS AND PERKS AND GOLDEN HANDSHAKES. ELIMINATE “ALL” THAT SHYTE IRRESPECTIVE OF WHO ONE FOLLOWS. THATS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNDER ALP OR COALITION AND NEEDS MASSIVE VOICE ON THAT SUBJECT! SPEAKING OF CYCLES…. seems like ALP in WA got a walloping and so to with previous by elections and NT result. What gets me is both sides are no offering a solid common sense approach! Pauline Hanson was on right track – but the more she opened her mouth, the worse it got. Hey I was in a winery at Stanthorpe QLD and she was there – people I was with were awestruck and I was eating my twisties and not stopping for her. I said “NEED MORE COMMON SENSE AND CLOUT AT CANBERRA AND YOUR ON COOL WAVELENGTH”
I would like to see a KEATING clone as he was a mega legend at the gabfest when it came to Coalition and absolutely hammered Coalition perfectly in Parliament. Only one close to him now is Lindsay Tanner, Peter Costello and Brownwyn Bishop – the rest are sedate compared to KEATING! I dont think Nelson is much as a tosser and too quiet!
LMAO….chair sniffer should be stood down period. Weak leadership to address a weirdo bizarre act!
Yeah I agree NM at least Keating told it as he seen it.
I don’t know how the chair sniffer can hold his nose high in public.LOL.
U would think that he would go away and hide under a rock somewhere.
Costellos a smart boy but people don’t warm to his smart arse disposition.Although he is a straight talker in the Keating mold.
I like Barnaby Joice as he mixes it up a bit and stays true to his beliefs. He should be the head of the Nationals at least. Pauline I believe had good intentions but was naive to say what many think.The old racist card is a powerful thing and don’t many new comers know it. Australian would have to be one of the most tolerant societies in the world.
Sending Pauline to goal shows how u can be screwed over if u buck the system.Don’t think she deserved that.
Old Joe Bejelke Petersen RIP was crucified in a similar fashion although that self made man done a lot for Queensland and what he supposedly ripped off is insignificant compared to the legitimate trough fest happening these days.
Not so much told how Keating saw it….but what stood out was the comments he motza balled hard is not there today! Today they think its opposite and cant point score as much! After all there job needs that Keating panache!
Despite your left or right wing views, this Tax is just plain stupid. Yes it will do more damage than good.
And now pride will stop them admitting it! All in the name of the “Battler”.
Thats the way Kevin you Ignoramus. Tax our income at 48% charge us GST, then with the pennies we save to buy ourselves something safe from Europe charge us a further 33% luxury car tax.
Oh and lets not get into the taxes on the fuel this car might consume, the new hikes in rego and road tolls.
Maybe you and you fellow morons should just get us all to pay 98% tax and live in a box and ride around in shopping trolleys, while you get driven around in your Caprice. now do we the voters approve of paying the LCT on that vehicle or is it also a cost not passed onto members of parliament?