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The new era for V8 Supercars: Comment

The news that Nissan will enter V8 Supercars in 2013 with a four-car squad run by Kelly Racing was a surprise to all but a few in the know, particularly the size of the deal. The long-awaited third manufacturer breaks the hitherto sanctified Ford/Holden duopoly, something that had been unthinkable for diehard Holden and Ford fans until now.

And not too long ago that would have been unconscionable for Holden and Ford, too. Both manufacturers have rattled their sabres loudly whenever there was talk of an interloper treading on their coveted territory. ‘We’ve poured millions into V8s’ they would bleat. A third manufacturer would be getting a free ride on their investment and intellectual property, they would argue. Threats of walking away were usually enough to quieten things down.

But for years now, as economic conditions bit hard and sales of Falcon and Commodore models slumped, Ford and Holden have been winding back their support of V8 Supercar teams. Once, virtually all teams had some level of financial backing from manufacturers but these days only the elite and ‘factory’ teams get the major share of Holden and Ford’s shrunken war chests. And because it’s going to save them money, that’s one of the reasons why Holden has welcomed Nissan’s entry – albeit grudgingly (Holden wouldn’t even name Nissan in its ‘welcome’ press release, instead referring to them only as a ‘third manufacturer).

“Understandably, V8 Supercars has seen the need to alter its requirements to encourage more manufacturers into the category to keep it relevant,” said GM Holden chairman and managing director Mike Devereux.

“… Another manufacturer does not waiver our commitment; in fact we are excited about the challenge and it will add yet another chapter to our proud motorsport history. Holden is Australia’s car company and V8 Supercars will remain the quintessential Aussie motor racing series. We have the very best teams and the finest drivers, so we say – ‘Bring it on!’.”

And it will be on, but whether it is from the first race remains to be seen.

Kelly Racing, a new team – which has probably the most advanced race facility in the southern hemisphere – wasn’t getting financial support from Holden, despite the pedigree of its drivers and some good results in 2011. So it makes sense for them to jump the Holden ship to Nissan, despite the team’s canny commercial boss, former HSV/Holden Racing Team head John Crennan, adamantly saying the team would stick with Holden. Until now. Perhaps this Nissan move is a ‘thumbed nose’ to Holden for its lack of backing? Or a master stroke.

I was surprised that Nissan was the first manufacturer to put its hand up. I thought Chrysler, with its long muscle-car heritage and ballsy Hemi V8-powered road cars, was a more obvious fit than a high-tech, tuner-style car maker like Nissan, but it seems an announcement about the American car maker also joining the V8 gene pool with Garry Rogers Motorsport may be imminent.

But five manufacturers will be the maximum, stressed a beaming V8 Supercar supremo Tony Cochrane after what could turn out to be his biggest coup.

The reason Nissan (and Chrysler) can enter V8 Supercars now and not earlier is the cost-saving Car of The Future (COTF). It’s the category’s new technical blueprint for 2013 onwards under which teams finally do away with using road car body shells with roll cages welded in, in favour of panels hung on more high-tech identical space-frame chassis.

This means any car body that has the right dimensions (or close enough – the current Falcon and Commodore are shortened 100mm to fit on the mandated wheelbase) can be plonked on this new chassis. Engines are another thing. Holden and Ford will persist with 5.0-litre pushrod V8s, which may have to be de-tuned to be on par with Nissan’s sophisticated but smaller quad-cam V8.

Of course, the Nissan V8 Supercar – sounds funny, doesn’t it – will need to be homologated before it can grid up in 2013 and that means passing performance and aerodynamic tests to ensure parity with the Holdens and Fords, and that could get ugly.

You may remember that V8 Supercars was riven by parity arguments in the late ’90s and early noughties; a lot of bickering went on over airdams and wings and which brand had an advantage. Just getting four cars to the grid in time for 2013 will be a major technical achievement for Kelly Racing, something co-team owner/driver Todd Kelly acknowledged days after the big announcement. It’s not going to be all plain sailing for Nissan.

And then there’s the fans. The last time a Nissan did well in Australian touring car racing – the AWD Skyline dominance in the early ’90s – the more militant fans reacted rather unpleasantly. One of the aims of adding Nissan to the roster will be to garner a new generation of fans unfettered by old allegiances. I don’t know if it will sell Nissans, though – V8 Supercars hasn’t done much for Ford or Holden sales lately – but Nissan is obviously confident.

This whole thing is deja vu to me. In the late ’90s I edited the weekly motorsport paper Auto Action during an important time for the fledgling V8 Supercars series. Having seen off the threat from the 2.0-litre international Super Touring category (which included Nissan), V8 Supercars was in a rapid development phase under the rambunctious Cochrane and his shrewd group of managers. But even back then there were rumours of more manufacturers coming into V8s. Push-politicking by nefarious forces to bring Holden and Ford to heel? Maybe.

In 1999 (I think) based on good pitlane scuttlebutt and nods and winks, I briefed Auto Action artists to design a front cover with computer mock-ups of three potential new V8s: a Mitsubishi Magna, a Toyota Avalon and a Nissan Maxima. Okay, it was a slight beat-up, but they looked great and it created some controversy for a while. And we were 30 percent right – just 13 years too early.

Steve Nally

Steve Nally is a freelance motoring writer and former editor of Australian motorsport weekly Auto Action.


 
  • Anonymous

    George Fury – Nissan Bluebird Turbo, 1984 Hardies Heroes, ‘unofficial’ lap record that stood for quite a while.

    • Blitzkrieg

      2mins 13.8 seconds

  • Andrew M

    So who is exactlly surprised the Kellys walked away from Holden?
    Certainly not me.
    Tom Walkinshaw and Holden kicked the kellys in the gut a while back, and over the last 2 years there has been rumour they were considering switching to Ford vehicles.
    Im Guessing they werent able to get the sort of money from Ford they thought they might have been able to so they poached a new player.

    GRM would certainly jump at a switch, and likewise BJR if they can find an interested manufacturer.
    Also put 888 down as a possible switch to an outside player.

    There is quite a bit of shuffling going on.
    Ford isnt far away from having 3 x 4 car teams With DJR announcing a 3rd car to the garage with hints of a fourth.
    It appears everyone is either jumping together to save costs or going for an outside bidder.

    Toyota has never been far away from discussions, but they wont come until they think they have the best chance at instant success…..and that leads to 888.

    Perhaps a little thing, but why would Todds shirt be a mirror reverse of Ricks?
    Its unusual to get emblems printed on different sides

  • http://twitter.com/holotropik Holotropik

    I saw this day coming over a decade ago. They had the formula back then and should of gone with 2ltr cars. Suffer and suck eggs if you are trying to find out what to do now.
    British Touring car series is awesome fun to watch and there are a variety of cars to follow.

    This formula is just the same as Nascar in so many boring ways…

    • Dave S

      Milk and Juice comes in 2 litres. It did not then, it would not work now. Why would you let the slowest cars in the group A field, become the number 1 racing category in australia?

      • tomtom

        Yes juice and milk may come in 2 liters.But cheap wine comes in 5 liters

        • Anonymous

          BOOM BOOM!!!

  • Paulie LDP

    I strongly disagree with Holotropik, the BTCC and WTCC are extremely boring to watch for the very reason of what cars they use, V8 Supercars has one of the best formulas for racing series in the entire world, as agreed upon by countless international drivers, and with new manufacturers in the mix it only broaden’s our great series’ appeal.

    • Robert Ryan

      Agreed, very boring to watch. I found some of the NASCAR roadracing has been pretty good expecially the Nationwide races in Montreal , Watkins Glen and Road America

      • Tom

        Make sure you go to a NASCAR race on an oval course if you get the chance – such a good experience having the cars go within 20m of you side by side at 300km/h. It also lacks all the OH&S nonsense of Australian racing – there was a guy in front of me downing a handle (1.75L) of JD’s he bought in himself, among other things…

  • Daniel

    This is a joke ! bring back group A !! These car will all be the same. just a different shape on the outside, what a sham .Racing has been a joke here for years ,nothing is real or as it seems Boring rot!

    • Robj

      Daniel, if they did nobody would watch that. Where is the production car series? Who is going to see the Bathurst 12 hr this month? This series brings a high level of professional teams and engineering capability to Australia. Also and and an export. It it not the 70′s any more so move on.

    • Mad Max

      Daniel, one of the most successful “sedan” car racing series worldwide (despite what Tony Cochrane might say) is NASCAR. What V8SC will be from 2013 is similar in concept to NASCAR. C common chassis, suspension, tansaxle, steering and brakes and with different composite body panel. I think everybody needs to take a big deep breath and see how it all pans out. Who knows, it might be the best thing we have ever done. Or, it might be rubbish. If its rubbish it will be fine tuned. But what I can say is that the category right now is way too expensive and if nothing is done, it will simply collapse. $10m to run a 2 car team capable of winning in a country of 21m people is not sustainable. 

  • Damian

    It’s difficult to understand why Nissan would participate in such a sham. With the exception of the Patrol, Nissan has no V8 line-up in Australia. I am sure the impending Infiniti brand has nothing to do with this, as Infiniti, like Lexus with Toyota, will try and distance itself from its Nissan heritage. I really don’t see a point unless the R35 is allowed to flex its muscles without losing its fundamentals (V6, twin turbo, AWD e.t.c.)

    • Mad Max

      Again look at NASCAR. Hugely successful and giving Toyota a huge publicity boost despite the fact that you cannot buy a V8 RWD Camry. This is NOT production racing. Its a silhouete category designed to entertain the public and to push a brand. I myself think this is brilliant. The way things are going you might one day see a Holden team run a Cruze body profile, and why not!

    • Will

      It is about market penetration and brand awareness, that is all. As with previous posts, the formula is a sham.

      • Damian

        I am not too sure about the whole premise of market penetration. V8 Supercars appeals to one main demographic, and I don’t think this demographic would consider anything other than a Ford or Holden. They’re essentially no different to the ‘pack of arseholes’ that blemished the sport a couple decades ago.

        My bets are that this formula will flop big time and Nissan will withdraw once again.

  • Shak

    Although many many Aussies seem to like hating on our local Racing Series, it doesnt seem to matter to much to our international partners. With news that the Austin race looks set to go ahead, and that there is interest to start racing in Asia, V8SC looks to go from strength to strength. And do you guys really think Nissan would really put their name behind something like this if it wasnt going to benefit them greatly? I can only see this benefiting not only the series, but everyone involved.

    • Sydlocal

       I can see it is going from strength to strength internationally with the huge crowds that go to the rounds in the Middle East for example….

      • Des

        Yeah, but the TV rights and audiences there are huge.

      • Shak

        As des has stated below, they really arent looking for audiences, but if they got large crowds they wouldn’t complain. Areas such as the Middle East and Asia with bulging middle classes who are cashed up, and need a form of entertainment will see the Race series on TV for a couple of years, and then we may see large audiences at the races.

        If not in Asia, then the US race in Austin texas could really help push the brand worldwide.

  • Leighh

    Identical cars under non standard panels ……….wont this be the same as NASCAR? No point following a maker at all if the cars are the same……..follow your favorite driver is the way to go.

    • Mad Max

      Yes its similar to NASCAR. However NASCAR goes one step further where ALL of the body panels are identical and they simply run head, tailight and grill decals to differentiate the different manufacturers and models.

  • Kwark

    Personally, I can’t understand why the ATCC formula was dropped so many years ago (Well I can, the GTR made a mockery of Holden and Fords efforts at the time).  But for so long, the formula of modified road cars (Group C, then Group A) seemed to be a winner all round.

    I tuned in religiously to watch, supporting holden (Well Brock & then Lowndes actually, who happened to drive Holdens) and hating it when another brand won (Ford Sierra, Nissan GTR) but rather than change the rules to ban those cars, I would have preferred Ford and Holden to IMPROVE THEIR PRODUCT.

    To be able to watch a car win on Sunday then be able to buy something damn near it on Monday was half of what it was all about…

    Then along came V8 supercars, parity rules etc and out went the competition.  A Ford/Holden V8 competition that seemed less relevant than ever.  Most disappointing though, was the fact that the cars bared little ‘real’ similarity with their road going counterparts.  Shortened chassis’, Pushrod 5.0L V8s, Live Rear Axles, Moved seating and stripped out dashboards.

    Obviously costs went up to pay for all the mods and the richest teams got the latest and greatest, but all the while, their road based distant cousins weren’t really related.  Why have HSVs/FPVs NOT got the desirability or collectability status of the XY GTHO, Group A Commodores etc???

    BECAUSE THEY NEVER RACED OR WON BATHURST

    Bring back the ATCC requiring modified road cars and 500 road car homologation runs.  Not only will the “Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday” mantra work, the thought of owning a modern day race classic is to good to bear…

    • Des

      Sorry but you are wrong.
      The very reason that V8SC was introduced had nothing to do with Nissan (or any other manufacturer), it was all about REDUCING the cost of competing, creating a more level playing field for the poorer teams and ensuring sustainability. It HAS succeded!

  • http://twitter.com/Browny_r31 Adam Brown

     want to increase sales of the cars you race??? sell the street version of the car you race. Look back in Group A days…… after a bathurst win, sales of that car went skyrocketing. People saw it as this car won Bathurst so it must be one amazing machine to have. Now I look at the v8 supercars and go yeah they are fast but I cant buy either of them so why bother?

    I am happy to see Nissan back in the game. Was quite annoyed then the GTR was banned due to simply being too good to compete. If they now made it into a GT style category it will increase interest and sales of the cars. Then again the new GTR would destroy again and people would complain and it would get banned…. again.

    • Robert Ryan

       Everyone thinks that the US “Win on Sunday , sell on Monday” that applied to NASCAR in the US is still relevant to roadracing sedans across the world. Not really ,it may broaden the manufactuers awareness, but people these days are very aware of the difference between a track car and a road one.

    • Glencoles1

      Most of the cars in group a werent available for sale in australia sierra was a grey import gtr wouldnt sell it was to dear. group a was garbage it was finished overseas 2 years before it was finished in australia.

    • Des

      Adam you are an idiot. Sorry, but to suggest that Niassan was in any way “banned for beibg too good” is just ignorant. The haters just like to invent their own version of history.

      • Bozzscaggers

        why was it then?

        • Glencoles1

          Group a rules were abanded 2 years world wide before Australia droped them. Cams was waiting for the new rules, 2 litre super toures what a joke that was, supercars has out lasted them comfortably. And the super tourer rules ruled out forced induction and  all wheel drive effectivly ruling out the sierra to ( most succesful touring car in australian history until the vx commodore ). Nissan was lucky the rules didnt change with the rest of the world they would have had nothing. 

  • m1n1s1n

    “It’s the category’s new technical blueprint for 2013 onwards under which teams finally do away with using road car body shells with roll cages welded in, in favour of panels hung on more high-tech identical space-frame chassis.”

    It might as well be a Fiber Glass Banana on a Space frame!

    These cars in future will share little with there production counterparts, I origanlly wrote a message on the fact Nissan Australia doesnt have one car in its production line up to follow suit with Holden & Ford…

    This is as pathetic as the ‘Toyota Camry’ nascar!

    Atleast in rally if you see Tommi Makinen or Collin McRae race a WRX or an EVO you can go out buy somewhat an essence of there vehicles,

    If I had a spare couple a mill around I would just enter a RWD space frame Mini cooper s

    • Anonymous

      Gee, you haven’t watched WRC in a while have you. The current WRC consisting of  Sebastien Loeb driving around in something resembling a Citroen untouched for the past 8 years is a long way from the old Group A rally days of the late 80′s and 90′s. 

    • Sydlocal

       m1n1s1n, the current V8 Supercars share very little with their production counterparts already. They are long past welding a roll cage into a factory rolling chassis as mentioned above in the article. Even the floor barely resembles that of the road car (to fit the unique suspension/shorter wheelbase etc) with the majority of the panels being custom made. They are basically a custom designed roll cage/frame with the shell “modified” as required to fit around it. You would be struggling to find 30-35% of “off the shelf road car compenents” in a current V8 Supercar.

      • Horse

        you would be sturggleing to find 1% , i think the headlights/brakelights are the only remmaining component.

        • Sydlocal

          IIRC bonnet skin, boot lid, front door skins and dash pad. Wouldn’t be much more than that. I was being generous with that figure so it wouldn’t hurt the feelings too much of the people who think it is the same as the car they can drive on the road! ;-)

    • Car Bore

      What’s wrong with the Camry Nascar. I guess the same must be said for the Ford Fusion Nacar. What are Chevrolet running these days?

    • Car Bore

      What’s wrong with the Camry Nascar. I guess the same must be said for the Ford Fusion Nacar. What are Chevrolet running these days?

      • Car Bore

        Nascar*

      • Car Bore

        Nascar*

  • Des

    ^ Yet another misinformed twit!

    • Mad Max

      Took the words right out of my mouth!

  • save it for the track

    I hardly think that the Ford and Holden dinosaur pushrods will have to be ‘detuned’ to a level with the Nissan. The Nissan v8′s already make 100Nm per litre in standard ‘road trim’ applications. I’m sure that in race spec, any Nissan 5.0L v8 will easily match the offerings of GM and Ford. With the parity rules etc. in v8Sc one wonders if the engines from each manufacturer is allowed to have different power/torque curves, which may provide some advantages/disadantages at different tracks. While it will likely be a learning curve for any new team and vehicle, Nissan are hardly newcomers to motorsport, and no doubt some advice and/or help will be forthcoming from Nismo.

    • Shak

      Yes they are essentially allowed to enter productions engines, so the power and torque curves can be very different which will be the differentiating factor in these races.

    • Ford Fairlane

      The  American pushrod V8 has 50years of race development history,so believe it when it says detune.

      Nissan uses a 5.6 litre v8 in GT1 racing that produces 450 kw and 649nm.
      In Super GT Nissan uses a 4.5 litre to make around 375kw 
      V8 supercar 5 litre 460kw 616nm at 7500rpm 
      Nascar 5.8 litre 556kw 665nm at 8000 to 9000rpm

    • Des

      Both Form & GM V8′s run inlet restrictor plates NOW. These engines are already hobbled to keep speeds within reasobale safety levels.

      The idiots that claim car “X with slicks” could beat a V8SC are either ignorant selectively forgetfull.

  • Bozzscaggers

    ah good old PARITY

    brought about when the fords won everything and the holden drivers got sandy.

    • Dave S

      When was that? was that in 87 when the International Sierras were winning everthing? When Ford has to resort to using imports to beat the home made Commodores.

      Parity – Nothing wrong with close racing.

  • john

    If ford and holden are using 5.0 ltr pushrod engines. What is the size of the nissan quad cam v8 they will be using ?

  • Kjsummers

    What odds Ford now decides to quit V8SC???

  • Gus

    ROFL a stock GTR on slicks would beat the v8 supercars easily

    • Superoo

      Get up off the floor gus because a v8 supercar would beat a GTR on slicks.

  • Cossie

    Hopefully this means my 2 x Sierra 1985 Sierra Cosworth’s in the shed will finally go up in value on the collectors market.

    • SP20

      I would think your cars are worth a lot more than most holden or fords from that era.

      85 Cortina $500
      85 Laser $250
      85 Camira $250
      85 VK L com $1000
      85 VK Group a $50k
      85 Cossie $30k??