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  • Shak

    Mike is on the money, if Ms. Gillard and the state governments want to keep a sustainable manufacturing industry in this country as they say they do, then they will have to fork up the cash. However, one major fact that cant be ignored is that the American and Japanese parent companies of our local subsidiaries seem to have forgotten entirely about them. While it is the responsibility of the Local governments to invest in their industries, it is also vital for GM, Ford and Toyota to realise that their subsidiaries need them now more than ever. If they could only open up more export opportunities or allow the locals to develop more fuel efficient cars locally then we may see more dollars free up from the Government.

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Lots of work had put into this police car program…sad to see it killed by the values of our dollar.

  • Mick

    One of the big problems Australian manufacturers face, and in particular the automotive industry, is the costs of the parts.  By the time the parts company source parts (and it goes through warehousing, transportation, and they pay all their tax and utility bills), they make the products, which are again taxed through business tax, sales tax to Holden, cost of employees wage (including tax), utility bills, and then the transport etc to Holden, and the costs imposed on Holden (such as increase electricity costs etc), it all adds up to very large amounts of indirect costs, something that isn’t such a problem overseas due to the way they do things.

    The Holden factory, and I believe also the Ford and Toyota factories, have very large roof space.  The government could have a ‘green fund’ to cover those roofs with solar panels.  Tax free of course, because that would be kind of pointless! Have it work like a normal household system (excess gets fed into the grid, and they get credit for it),  If at the end of the year they have a large amount of credit, they can use a majority of that to subsidise their tax bill.  The same goes for parts manufacturers, which have to pass the majority of the savings on to reduce parts costs (and the same for the costs of the vehicles themselves).  Also a ‘thinktank’ working on how to streamline and make more effective the cycle from product of parts to the final product.  Last of all, it should not cost more to register an Australian built V6 compared to an imported 4 cylinder., the extra registration cost is very offputting. 

    • Sydlocal

      There are some great ideas there but you have to remember that, particularly in the case of the Cruze and to a reasonable extent the Commodore, that quite a few of those parts suppliers are O/S (both have more O/S content than the other Australian assembled cars).

      Some states however charge the same for rego regardless of engine/weight whislt others go off weight. It just so happens that the heavier cars usually happen to have more cyls! IIRC Queensland is one of the few states that I know of that does charge by number of cyls. States like VIC/NSW for example don’t. Maybe just a discount for an Australian assembled car if you want to go down that route?

  • Leighh

    I heard from a mate who works there and its just the beginning of the job losses…..many more to come.

  • John

    As much as Holden played up this deal with the US police force it was never going to come to fruition, American’s (unlike Australian’s it would seem) are very patriotic, while their own country’s economy is suffering so badly they are not buying imported cars and particularly not using government money to buy imported cars, maybe our government could learn a thing or two from them about supporting local industry.

    Before everyone jumps on me for saying Australian’s aren’t patriotic, some quick figures. In the states Ford sold about 2 million cars last year (most domestically produced), Volkswagen sold about 310,00.  So some quick maths, Ford sold one car for every 155 American’s and Volkswagen  1 car for every 1,000.  Comparatively in Australia Ford sold 91,000 cars last year (31,000 odd locally produced) one car for every 252 Australian’s and Volkswagen one for every 510, the discrepancy is huge and is the reason why we don;t really deserve to have a local industry.

    • Shak

      I actually think most people would agree with you. Australians as a whole arent very patriotic when it comes to most things. Americans will when it boils down to it support their country in most things. It seems as if in recent years it has become cool to put down Australia. Our government really needs to get behind the industry with things like no LCT on local cars, higher tariffs and or more subsidies for truly green initiatives from our locals.

      • Showtime

        So you think Aussies should all drive Commodores, Falcons, Cruzes and Camrys/Aurion, to support our local manufacturing? The local manufacturers need to start building cars people actually want and not just fleet i.e. light and small cars.

        In other words, Ford need to make the Fiesta and Focus, and Toyota the Yaris and Corolla here in Australia.

        • Aus_poppa

          Showtime is correct. The decision to dump the Australian built Focus will prove to be the worst Ford ever made. At least if Commodore becomes unviable the Cruze might save GMH.

          If Ford hade decided to do a diesel Falcon they might have prolonged the inevitable. Any day now they will sell less Falcons than Territories and then …….

          If the Gulf states stop buying Camrys the volume od Australian Camry sales will be too small, and they will be sourced from Thailand, or China.

          Infortunately our industry is too locked in ti what are rapidly becoming niche cars.

        • Shak

          Well yes i do. Like Mike said above, Holden is making small cars now, and they are selling very well. Ford are making SUV’s which are also quite popular. Yes its true that they all need to make more small cars, Holden is doing exactly what the market wants.

        • Phil

          Corollas were made here for about 30 years. They were also made in New Zealand at one time.
          They stopped the Australian production in 1999 and why would they bother restarting it when it is cheaper to import them?

  • Tom

    I agree with Showtime. I liked supporting the Australian Industry, I’ve had four Australian made cars. I can put up with the terrible quality and the expensive parts… but I’ve had enough of them sponging off the back of government support and refusing to give us what we need. 
    I have a teacher who’d had Commodores for her whole 50 something years. When she asked a dealer why they weren’t considering a diesel Commodore he replied “Because no one wants it”. So she bought a Passat.
    I had a brand new SV6 for two weeks recently and couldn’t get the fuel consumtion down from 12L/100km with highway. I had a Cruze 1.8 for some time before that and the consumption sat around 10L/100km. My 2004 BMW 330i does 10L/100km and that’s too much! (All automatics)

    Give us appropriate cars and we will buy them. Patriotism only goes so far.

    • John Coctostan

      I’m a bit confused by your post - they’ve only made Commodores for 33 years and you couldn’t get a SV6 under 12L/100K doing highway driving? I get 8.5 out of mine.  Lead foot much?  And you have a teacher yet you’ve owned 4 Australian made cars?  Adult student?  Your whole doesn’t stack up.  Parts and service are cheap and reliability is good for Holdens and Fords.  Do you not think businesses analyse costs when they choose them as fleet cars.  And no its not just because of their favourable price in Australia, I’ve worked in business that choose them in NZ (because ongoing maintenance costs are cheap).

    • Dave S

      People talk about diesel Commodore and Falcons. The evidence seems to suggest a suitable diesel powerplant would add at least $2k – $3k to the cost of the car. How many fleets would spend that much extra per unit? How many private buyers would spend that sort of money on a diesel when they could go for the LPG model or go for the V8 power plant.

      Just because every send Golf has a TDi badge does not translate into possible Commodore / Falcon diesel sales.

  • Baz!

    I love my V8 falcon with economy @ 11.2 hwy and 13/100 in the city- i hope you choke on you orange juice holding motors- LONG LIVE THE V8!!!!!

    • Phil

      Ummm, the Falcon V8 has pretty much gone…in fact it went several years ago.

      • Dave S

        GS, GT GT-P, lets hope we can add XR8 and GT HO to that list soon.

  • Vins

    True, it is not Aussie that are not patriotic. It’s the car companies do not produce what the market want. If Falcon is smaller in size, I believe many Aussie would buy in a blink. At lease I would. From where I live, navigating around town in Falcodore or Aurion/Camry could be really challenging.

  • Camry driver

    My 2.4l MT Camry sips 8.5l/100km with AC on and fully loaded with 4 passengers and full boot, mostly driving on highway. Very happy with it.

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Some people in the public really hate to see government to support local car industry…but for me i am all for it….Good time wont last forever, manufacturing industry can offer some
    support to the economy so that it wont hurt as much…without that heading to economic downturn
    country will be left no choices except debt and eventually go broke… now auto industry in UK and US is the rare bright spot in their economy, car markers open factory one after one in there…and for those question about tax money can be better spend for other things else…well…money are always better spend for support jobs then wellfare. Go Holden, Ford and Toyota!

  • Russell

    I agree with John. Holden were very optomisticly thinking the US Auto workers union would let an imported police car be sold in any numbers. As for the Focus, why would Ford try to build 20 or 30 thousand here when they have a huge plant in Thailand which can churn out hundreds of thousands per year. Its all about economics. One Ford bigwig was quoted at the Detroit motor show as saying Australia has too many work practice costs agreed to many years back which are detrimental to building cars in Australia now and virtually impossible to wind back.

    • Danblood69

      U have hit the nail on the head!!!!!!

  • Peanut

    The US builds cars that the US wants.
    Is the Falcon based on a style that Australians want? It is highly Ford European based in its looks.  Do the Fiesta and Focus lead their categories in sales? If not why base a car on their styling cues.
    The Falcon should base its style from the Mustang, and not have the Ford European DNA.
    Where is the 2 Door version of it. Sales would more than double if they brought out a retro looking coupe, and lets not get started as to why the sunniest country in the world do not make large Convertible Cars. 

    • Sydlocal

       Good in theory, not so good in practice. Ford Aus just doesn’t have the extra $$$ laying around to make a 2 Door and Ford US wouldn’t give them the $$$ to develop it due to such limited numbers/tiny market. That tiny market for it would also mean the car itself would cost a lot of $$$ to make the money back spent on development.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7YHTBODI2QBOKMLTYKSK4YHVDU mark4propane

    There is a huge demand from the taxi, couriers and private police and security companies for a read drive car with a full frame. They do not want or need the biggest V8 of 6 liters but a very nice 4.8 liter V8 like GM sells in the North American trucks would be perfect in this lower power police car. Forget the expensive police issue front bucket seats with side bolsters and put in the old style HD vinyl bench seat that was put in the last rear drive Caprice sold here. Taxi cabs and security cars sometimes need to jam as many bodies in as possible and that means 3 in the front seat.
     If GM has half a brain, they should offer a basic taxi package like they used to sell. Propane is very popular now all over North America, so an added on aftermarket LPG fuel injection along with all the gasoline parts left in place, would make this mellow yellow ( see NY city ) HD long lasting machine. Leave out some of the air bags to reduce the selling price and another 5 to 20,000 cars per year could be sold in North America and other countries all over the globe. The V6 that this car offers in the detective version has just about the same torque as the small V8, but the V8 will run smoother and last longer. Just put in the truck version of the 4.8 liter engine and you have a HD engine too. By the way, propane is selling for 65 cents a liter ( $2.46 per U.S. gallon ) beside Toronto airport and as low as $2.10 per USA gallon in many areas of the USA. It is 18 percent hydrogen and 105 octane ( R + M ) so it runs great, lasts a very long time ( 800,000 kms )  and only looses 10 to 12 percent in MPG compared to gasoline.     

  • Davni

    It’s all about versatiity these days.  People buy suv for the space, where a falcon or commodore would do the same job if they made them into hatchbacks like mondeos or mazda6. 

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