Congratulations should go to Toyota for their win but the real hard part is staying at the top.

Cheers !

For once, I have to agree with AC COBRA. 60,000 is quite an un conclusive number of people to survey, considering the amount of people that buy Toyotas.

AC Cobra is correct, it should be atleast 0.5% of the population. Since its being compared to companies outside its industry it should be 0.5% of the Australian population which would mean they should have surveyed 1067844 people. Therefore its not a fully representative study. Its valid but not fully representative. You must note they only had to survey more than 30 people for the study to be statistically valid.

Yaaawn. 60,000 is more then enough, especially when you have 85% of the participants in Toyotas favour. This wasnt 51/49… its quite convincing.

Yes… and TATA was no 6

Ha Readers Digest is more likely to be read by Toyota drivers than anybody else…..
Perhaps others respect them so much because they make them so easy to steal – the Toyota Aurion was just rated worst large car in the NRMA security ratings.
In any case owning a Toymotor says a lot about the person driving it – female (or just got no balls), old or old before your time, bland, dull, boring, a car is just transport from A to B, braindead, probably with a name like Dennis, etc, etc.

Hmmm anti spam word Toyota.

Well congratulations Toyota. Credit is due when it is due. A lot of people are envious of their position and who wouldn’t.
A well managed company with reliable vehicles have given them a strong brand image that is hard to remove.

I apologise in advance if that just opened a can of worms….

For a worldwide survey 60,000 is nothing. Who was surveyed? In what countries?

I’m not knocking Toyota, but notice that the survey was on ‘respect’. What does respect mean? How do you measure respect?

For example: I respect Nissan for consistently making cars that are great for drifting/tuning/general larikinism. Others clearly respect Toyota for making ‘reliable’ cars. These two concepts of respect are not compatible.

So it’s a bit of a meaningless survey, doesn’t really say anything at all. But whatever, go Toyota.

A more useful survey might be ‘admiration’. I ‘respect’ the Corolla for being a cheap little run-about. But I ‘admire’ the BMW M5 (anti-spam word) for being superbly awesome. Thus if I had the money which one do you think I’d buy?

I love how they say 27 countries have anonymously (lets keep ourselfs private) that secretly voted Toyota as the world’s most respected company, well how come I was not informed about this, shouldn’t it be made public or are all the voting Toyoda lovers only allocated prior opportunity when they purchased or already own toyota vehicles sending them out reputation surveys just to receive a $5 scratchy in return and claim more sneaky fame 4 Toyoda.

Obviously no other manufacturer or real enthusiast knew about this study, I can smell a (T) rat big time, once again very clever toyoda advertising, The cars are bland fleet crap but their promoting worldwide is spot on……

TOYODA SELLS TO THE AGEING MASSES AND DISCOUNT FLEET BUYER’S…..

I would vote KFC,Hungry Jacks and Pizza Hut as number one respected company since I always go there all the time but Toyota number one I never been to a Toyota dealer in my life but the world is full of stooges and this why Toyota is Number one good job for Toyocrap:).

Well Done Toyota!!
Good to see these bogans squirm!!
This Finding just confirms the sales statistics!!

I have been driving a Toyota Echo for 1.5 years, it is the best small car I ever driven. Great quality for a good price.

Congratulations to Toyota on the well deserved recognition.

AC Cobra,
You idiot, you wish you could blame the advertising for Toyota’s success. But we both know, that is complete BS!!

I have never even seen an advert for my Toyota vehicle!!
Nor does the competition have anything series in the range!!

Just do your self a favour mate, push your POS ford or holden to nearest car yard, and wreckers… And get your self a toyota!!

Good on them, to start by making sewing machines and by the next century be the worlds most respected manufacturer, thats an achievement and a half by any standards. They make a good product, market it sensibly, and don’t piss people about.

Glen,
“Fridge on wheels” Is that a bogan slang for a car that actually has a fully fuctioning air conditioner! A rare case among the bogan circles!

Some people need to read the article before they go blowing their load. The survey was about respected companies, not best cars, or marketing departments, or greenest vehicles, or juiciest wet dreams. So what if most people dont get a little moist where it counts when looking at a Toyota brochure. But you can respect them, even if you dont like them.

For the record I don’t have a Ford or Holden parked my garage. only >>>> (Ford project in pipeline)..

I’m a car enthusiast that has taste for great cars eg: AC COBRA, GT 40, Mustangs etc, not “mass produced boring toyota” stamped on my forehead.. just because an ad on TV or survey makes a big statement about how great thier reputation and quality is doesn’t mean it will be superior against all other manufacturers, Toyota has some of the best car ads to describe what people want to see and hear so they can make them come to a very quick conclusion for purchase and not bother test driving or comparing much better models, no point disputing this fact Tomas79..

Fords are not boring “get it”, have you driven any or sat in one lately like the new FG, Mondeo, Focus, put it this way I drove a stupid Corolla and found this a very horrible experience compared to most cars in its class not saying anymore about this mass produced for the ageing masses and discount fleet buying bland boring vehicle..

200 KILLER WASPS IS NOT MEMORABLE, Hmmmmmm YEAH !!!!!!! NOT 4 ME, BUT 4 PEOPLE WHO ARE INTRIGUED WITH KILLER WASPS GET SUCKED IN (OR SHOULD SAY STUNG) BY THIS, CREATING I NEED TO BUY NOW ATTITUDE.. NOONE ELSE HAS ALL OF THESE WASPS SO IT MUST BE ORIGINAL LIKE KFC CHICKEN COATED IN 10 HERBS AND SPICES…….

Put it this way AC if Ford build such a fantastic car,how come they only have a poor 10% market share in OZ YTD and falling by the month and Toyota has a very healthy 23.5% share YTD. and climbing.Ford also have a very unhappy dealer group as a whole, as proven by the latest AC Nielsen survey.Why doesn’t anyone buy them? and don’t give me the crap that Ford don’t sell to fleet co’s. I think you will find that their major Falcon market is fleet.BTW don’t you just love the latest Ford ad with the fingers walking .what the hell does that have to do with cars?

Greeeeeeat…………. just what we need another Toyolet story and another survey..yawn………..all becoming very boring.Now theres a survey they should undertake,worlds most boring car,da daaaa Toyota !

Bavarian – Holden will win it hands down because of thier new found passion towards Daewoo.

Most car companies in Australia are jealous of Holden’s Daewoo lineup, they set new benchmarks for engineering excellance.

Why buy a Lexus IS250 when you get yourself a Holdenwoo Viva !!

Pinching the electronics for the Prius gee that’s respectable.

Digging a hole deep enough to bury the toxic used batteries will be respectable too.

Realcars – Ford brought into Toyota Hybrid Technology just so they could enter the hydrid market before they got completely and utterly lost.

Toyota’s battery recycling regime is very respectable !!

luke as u KNOW Ford did the right thing and sorted a patent share with toyota as the devlopment that Ford did was be to close to that of Toyotas

Even Toyota has come out and said as much-so get over it
and by the way Toyota is using the tecnology that Ford shared with them as part of the agreement -diesel injection patents – so that may mean that u have to start hating diesel toyotas now!!!!!!!!!!

Toyota Aurion,The eazyest large car for car thevies to steal and rebirth.Toyota Kluger ESP is Accident inducing.Toyota Camry and Corolla are more boring than a fully clothed porn movie.AC COBRA im with you mate,what happens if Toyota pull out of F1 before they win,how embarrassing,wont get much respect then,and Tomas79 bogan is a word people use how think there better,do you drive a prius or a Euro.

TP how the hell can anything be statistically correct>

this is the result of a survey where a particular group of people were asked a series of questions the majority of which said Toyota is number one

Yet if you take another group of the same number of people and ask them the same questions I doubt that you will get the same result that is percentage of those who also think Toyota is number one

However; if you Multiply 20 by 4 divide by 4 and add 5 [for example] you end up with 25. do it again and you still end up with 25 which is mathematically correct and far more accurate as the result is always the same no matter how many times you run through the process.

I’m reminded of a statement made by a advertising executive on a TV show called “Car of the Future” on SBS on Sunday night. They were talking about what makes people buy the cars they do.

He said that buying a car is an emotional experience. People are rather passionate about the car they drive…. if people weren’t passionate about their car we would all be driving Toyota Corollas.

Which is kind of saying something as to which car is more boring don’t you think?

A Survey says Toyota is Number one….. Who cares No-1!

The only people that would really care are contestants on Family Feud…..

Same old arguments from Dingo I see.

HA HA HA, Ive never ever had a problem with aircon with a Falcon, but seem to have plenty with Camry’s, the place i used to work at had to replace 3 different a/c compresors in 3 different ’01 Camry tourings.

Oh and mister2, I’ve never had to push any of my Ford’s including my EA, the only times I’ve had to get a Ford towed was both times in my EF when a clutch cable broke and when the clutch failed. Now both of those happened with more than 250,000 KMS on the clock so lasted a lot longer than they should of.

Compared to my parents brand new Toyota Spacia which the computer completely failed not once, not twice, not 3 times but 5 TIMES, a new computer each time too.

Another area where Toyota copied other cars is with the Landcruiser. Just like the ute the very first 4WD car was also invented in Australia.

And the MR-2 was no more than a Japanese version of the Lotus Elan

maybe Toyota should change their name to XEROX. ?

WHEELNUT; to be perfectly blunt………….there is no copyright for a look of a car! The fact they do it and do it well is the epitome of a smart company.

LOL…….they all use round wheels. Is that copy???? I debunk any of your theory there as “nobody” owns a certain look legally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m not interetsed in excuses – just results … at the moment, Toyota is nothing but results !!

OH WHAT A WARM AND FUZZY FEELING

how could any one call them respectable when they steal from small companys to prop up thier devlopment?

What small company …

or – you can be General Motors and supply the entire world with some the poorest quality, unreliable and troblesome cars to grace the road !!

Luke as if u didnt know what small company – shame

The US Supreme Court let stand a $4.3 million award against Toyota Motor Corp. for using another company’s patented technology in gasoline-electric hybrid vehicles, including the top-selling Prius, Bloomberg News reported today.

The justices, without comment, today turned away an appeal by Toyota, leaving intact a jury verdict favoring closely held Paice LLC of McLean, Virginia. A federal appeals court in Washington upheld the award last year.

LukeGT has a great knack of stating facts and statistics without actually supplying any evidence that make the basis of his claims. FACT.

I have no problems with your belief that Toyota make better cars, and although being biased towards Ford, I have owned a Toyota and respect the company for their product and reputation. I don’t however, respect people that hijack forums and spam them with unsubstantiated claims.

thecarconnection.com/article/1010861_prius-versus-hummer-exploding-the-myth

An interesting article about the real effects of the Toyota Prius on the environment.

Luke GT -Lotus … the company which independantly chooses to be driven by Toyota power !! and a Yamaha cylinder head

What a pack of idiots. Toyota has built its reputation over years. Marketing merely gets customers to check out your product…. from that point onwards the product itself has to do the job. You wouldnt get as many repeat buyers as Toyota has if it was Daewoo quality vehicles with Toyota advertising

True Lotus are powered bt Toyota. Yet how is it that Lotus able to get almost double the amount of power from the same engine by simply bolting on a supercharger. The same engine that is in the current Toyota corolla which has less power than the previous model.

Surely the worlds number one car company would have trhe resources and engineering ability to out-perform such a comparively small car manufacturer

Mind you when their poorer cousin Daihatsu [Toyotas equivalent of Daewoo] bolted a Turbo onto a Toyota engine in the Daihatsu Copen they got almost as much power as a Corolla

Spot on TP, and LukeGT!!
I just love how these bogans, keep getting their panties in a knot!!!!

Whos getting panties in a knot………….your the one Tommy that seems to be calling people with passion for cars bogans!

Wheelnut – your above response is nothing but pure rot !!

Toyota is the company that designs and engineers thier own engines therefore exhibit full knowledge of what their donks ‘can’ or ‘can not’ do … durr !!

Your latest remark truely proves how much of an idiot you truely are – what an absolute pathetic attempt to discredit Toyota considering they design the engines of interest … PATHETIC !!

Here is a thought for ‘ya (clown) … did you ever consider Lotus chose to utilitise Toyota powerplants because of the integrity built into the engines … mmm !!

Lets not forget Bolwell Nagari also use Toyota engines (2GR-FE) while Williams in F1 has followed suit.

Seriously – you have got nothing … absolutely jacksh*t.

Arent bogans a kind of moth that are easily lured towards the bright lights only to become easy prey for the birds

In pretty much the same way a TRD owner gets lured in by what they are lead to believe [by the advertisers and marketers] is a serious performance car because only find that its no more than a regular Aurion with the same V6 plus a bodykit and a supercharger producing only 25Kw more

Whereas FPV can get more than 100Kw more than the standard Falcon from the comparitavely low tech engine by simply bolting on a Turbo

So whos the Bogan?

Youre the bogan, wheelnut!!
Going on, blabing sh!t with no substance about some boring taxi type cars, talking about extra few KWs…

There is more to cars, then just the power figures!!
But you bogan types, haven’t realized it yet!!

AC cobra, you idiot, offcourse i have driven fords!!
My first car was a Ford laser, only 6 years old, and had the engine replaced 3 times!!
Had 2 company falcons since, they and they were memorable only in one way!! The way they rattled, and the way they looked cheap inside, and the way the LSD was f*cked… And how many problems the last falcon had, even though it was only 2 years old!!! That was a true stinker!!

Wheelnut – my comment went straight over your head.

Lotus, Bolwell Nagari and even Williams in F1 use Toyota engines … what more do i need to say !!

Toyota is number one because is the poor people’s car that is why poor people respected the company and this why they sell their cars because they are cheap.

Grassy,
Did you ask your mum for permission before you went online??

“Toyleta is a big joke, nobody saves money driving a Priass golf cart down the freeway”

Time to up the dose on your neuroleptics!!

You really seam to be disconected from the reality!!

I did make a mistake on my previous post, i didn’t replace the engine 3 times, i replaced it twice, which means i have used 3 sets of motors including the original one!!
But still, what kind of engine cracks, and lets coolant in, not once but twice in a 6 year period!!

And please you idiots, stop using the objective terms such as exciting and boring!! Thats your own bogan opinion!!
The Sales figures, and the range on offer states otherwise!!

Also notice, it is you bogans having a suk and a winge on our positive news for toyota page!!
It’s not like me, TP or Luke GT go to your Ford/Holden page, and winge about FORDS and holdends!! Ofcourse, its not like Ford or holden had any good for years!!

AC Cobra,
Um, you ignorant dum arse, haven’t you learned a bit more about toyota the last fre weeks you been on Caradvice??
Or did all the sales figures, JD satisfaction survey, and respect survey fly pass your head?!! Obviusly it did!!

Um you can can keep making a fool of your self, by choosing to ignore reality, but i guess it will hit you hard soon enough!!!

So funny reading all this. Bloody hell people its only about recognition and respect for a company. Its what i’ve been saying for ages “Good customer focus, reliable products’. Running cars is becoming more expensive by the day so if someone can save a few bob by having a smaller reliable car then they will. Come on Ford and others pull your trousers up and stop letting Toyota shaft you. Simple

Thomas79 – don’t worry about the clowns commenting on this article because fact is … Toyota is s*rewing thier beloved Holdens and Fords right up the a**e with a size 20 steel capped boot and it’s blo*dy painful.

We all know who is the strongest in the global automotive market and it is Toyota with thier mass wealth and profits, strong/diverse/consistant fleet, corporate strength and stability, ongoing strong standings in Cust.Satisfaction / Qual.Surveys, record sales and gaining momentum in motorsport.

The fact is … most of these clowns are just pure and rotten losers who envy Toyota’s global success while thier beloved General Motors and Ford continue to crumble and fall apart …. OOCH !!

Heard the latest good news – GM’s share value has reached an all time low sense 1954 (or is that 1956) with speculation of the possibility they may have to eventually file for Bankruptcy Protection.

The problem with GM and Ford, they listened to much to clowns like most of these idiots and look were it got ‘em … up s**t creek.

Toyota however followed thier instincts and market reality and have now become arguably the most influencial automotive manufactuer of all …CONGRATULATIONS TO THE ‘BIG T’

Read some of the rot these circus clowns write and then compare it to sur*eys / ana*ysis and it is often not even remotely connected to market reality … so sad !!

Most of these sore losers live in la, la land were the fairies are nice to them while people like you and i sit back, enjoy a cold beer and observe the genocide Toyota is inflicting on companies like GM/Holden and Ford.

Oh yeah, even better … Toyota is also beating the American duo in NASCAR which is thier very own sport on thier very own soil … OOCH – HOW PAINFUL !!

No matter wether the sur*ey questioned 60 000, 6 million or the entire global population – it will never be enough coverage for the ‘circus’ but if only 2 people were questioned and GM or Ford listed 1st …. it wil be a fair and justifable sur*ey according to them !!

Take my advice – forget about the pure, rotten crap most of the idiots write because in the ‘Real World’ were there is no la, la, land or fairies … we all know who is No.1

These people spend thier lives making up excuses for thier loses and personally – i’m not into excuses … just results !!

OH WHAT A WARM AND FUZZY FEELING

How the F–K do you screw something to the wall with a Steel Cappeed Boot?

hahahhahahahaha, I love that joke wheelnut, I read the same joke in a pub a few weeks ago, it reminded me of all the no heart Toyo fans that have no interest in real cars but just worry about stats, surveys and pathetic American race results..

“OH WHAT A LODA SCHITT” TOYLETA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m just trying to make this website a more enjoyable place to be… by adding some fun humour and sarcasm to my comments.. although I don’t think Dingo understands sarcasm

Similar to what it was “Pre-Dingo” when long time regulars such as Bavarian Missile; Golfschwein; 280zx; Andrew M and myself could get on here talk about the good and bad things about cars [even our beloved Ford and Holden] in a civilised manner… and even manage to stay on topic which is something we haven’t been able to do since the extremist/terrorist from Emerald made his appearance

Well said Bavarian Missile!

Redeem your self Luke GT/Dingo. What cars excite you as an enthusiast, excluding Toyota just for the moment?

For example, in the past I have owned a Ford, Mitsubishi, Subaru and now I dive a Toyota at work and a Peugeot at home and I like them all. I would love to own an R32 Golf or a BMW 135i or even a Fiat 500 I could go on and on and on.
One of the nicest cars I have driven is a new Shelby Mustang.

How about you, excluding Toyota for just one moment?

You Bogans are a thick bunch, obviously everything that has been said, went over your head!!

Bavarian Missile Says:
“Tell me again why I envy Toyota? If I envied Toyota so much wouldn’t I be driving one instead of an M3 ”

Well judging by your bogan responce, i bet your m3 is an old bomb, thats significantly cheaper then any new toyota on the market!!!

Head off to introductions page 2,Im there under my real name and have more visits than anyone else 512! So perhaps you could put up or shut up and introduce yourself to the Forum with a pic of what youve got and what you’ve driven…….mmmmmmmmmmmm

Bavarian Missile Says:
“Seems you have nothing to provide but insults mate,grow up!”

Um, this is a article which provides good news for Toyota, it is you, and your bogan crew who came here to winge and bitch!!

It is not like me, or Luke GT, or TP go to News articles that are positive about Ford or Holden and bitch!!
Not that Ford or Holden had a positive news in a while!!

I’ll happily got to the forum later on today, and post my ride!!

Bavarian Missile?
Are you tapped to the head or something, referring to me as dingo?!! I’ll check out the forum tonight, but seeing as wheel net is allreading trying to compare it to YARIS, i bet it will be one old bomb!!

I referred to the Yaris because you said – “judging by your bogan responce, i bet your m3 is an old bomb, thats significantly cheaper then ANY new toyota on the market!!!

and as the Yaris is the “entry level” car in Toyotas range
I merely used it as an example

Mind you BMs M3 would still out-perform your average Corolla or whatever.
She looks after it meticulously and as its one of only a handful [of that particular model] in the country in a rather unique colour its worth more than an Aurion.

oh i forgot, its hard not to be the best when you have the most wanted range, the best product,the most reliable, the best resale value and as the start of this article stated, THE MOST RESPECTED NAME! both here in australia as well as overseas! oh what a feeling!

I did think for less than a minute but my thoughts about Toyoda fans being bogan idiots grows every day, I’d rather be a happy clown than have a fake car enthusiast mindset..

One of my work mates is into drifting hes got a AE86 corolla with a nissan SR20 engine in it(the easyest way to get the power),but he is a die hard toyota fan.He is very disappointed at toyotas Oz FWD only line up and laughs at some of the Aurion comments.He never refers to surveys or studys to back up an argument.You clowns here are not true toyota supporters your just going on about surveys and studys,which is someone eles opinion anyway.

Luke GT – Buea Yates is competing in Drift Australia,he is supported by toyota but only financially,they have no technical input.Any company can do that so there not reaily doing anything special supporting drift

Phil – actually … you are wrong !!

The AE82 Sprinter was in fact imported by TRD Australia from Japan were it was specially modified for drift racing.

Only recently, TRD Australia including Neal Bates re-engined the Sprinter with a 2SG engine which is the same example found in the TRD S2000 Rally Corolla’s which co-incidentally have been re-trofitted from the Celica GT4.

Infact, the TRD S2000 Corolla’s run the entire GT4 drivetrain including the AWD (except the gearbox which has been replaced by Neal Bate’s own dogbox) fitted into a regular Corolla albiet modified for racing by TRD Australia and Neal Bates Motorsport.

It is worth noting that Neal Bates is now an integral member of TRD Australia.

The Sprinter driven by Beau Yates is infact mechanically, technically and financially supported by TRD Australia.

The buggy raced by Peter Kittle in the Australian Off-Road Championship (AORC) is his own vehicle but is powered by a modified 2GR-FE engine (3.5 v6) so is mechanically supported (and sponsored) by TRD Australia.

Infact, Petter Kittle is a Dealer Principle of if his own Toyota Dealership … google and read up more about him, his off-road adventures and alliance with TRD Australia.

Actually, it has been lessons learn’t with Peter Kittle’s 2GR-FE powered Off-Road Buggy that has lead TRD Australia to evaluate the possible development of a Drag Racing 2GR-FE donk to replace the current 1300kw (1800hp) 3.2 twin turbo charged L6 Supra engine in Tony Wedlocks TRD Aurion Drag car which currently pulls 6.46 secs and reaches 0 – 100km/h in ‘less’ then 1 second.

Shall i continue educating you about TRD Australia’s current operations … !!

Phil – correction .. i stated 2SG engine. It should infact be 3SG !!

Phil – seriuosly, you could not be any further from the truth. I thought you may have been a more resonable person but how wrong was i.

Obviously you exhibit limited knowledge regarding Toyota Motorsport.

Before Team Toyota Europe TTE)retired thier successful WRC operation in favour of developing a F1 Team, they were infact the reigning world champions and had been for 3 consecative years prior … remember Carlos Sainz and the Castrol sponsored Celica GT4′s … EXACTLY !!

If you would bother to actually conduct some useful research instead of sprucking utter and shear crap, you would have known that Toyota was infact the reigning champions of WRC but as mentioned, thier rally operation was retired to establish what is now ‘Toyota’s Panasonic F1 Team’.

However, Toyota has maintained it’s links and expertise with Rally Sport thanks to TRD Australia and Neal Bates Motorsport’s ongoing participation in the Australian Rally Championship ofwhich they won the manufactuers title in 2006 and 2007 and no-doubt again this year.

Toyota also supports other Rally Events in Europe with Alian Frost being a well known motor-racing indentity and races the Corolla (Auris) in Europe such as the World Ice Racing Championship. Infact, not only did Toyota finish the seasons final race 1-2-3 in February this year but won the title back to back. Remember Europe’s seasons are vice-versa to ours !!

Want to learn more – visit the official TRD Australia website as it publishes Toyota’s global motor-racing events. The story about Alian Frost can be found under ‘Other Sports’

Toyota has now invested considerably into all three tiers of NASCAR – Sprint Cup, Nationwide and Craftsman Trucks -and in just a short period of time have now evolved to be arguably ‘the current’ most competitive manufactuer placing 2nd in the Craftsman Trucks and 1st in the Sprint Cup and Nationwide Series as we speak … good going Toyota !!

Actually… take a look at the current positions

Sprint Cup (1st tier):

* Toyota … 7 wins
* Chevrolet … 4 wins
* Ford … 3 wins
* Dodge … 4 wins

Nationwide Series (2nd Tier) :

* Toyota … 13 wins
* Chevrolet … 4 wins
* Ford … 2 wins
* Dodge … 0 wins

Craftsman Trucks

* Chevrolet … 5 wins
* Toyota … 5 wins
* Ford … 2 wins
* Dodge … 0 wins

Toyota is also currently placed 4th in F1 from 10 competing teams.

That said, Toyota also has considerable commitment in various Japanese Motorsport Events particularly the Super GT while partaking and supporting many minor events around the world particularly in the US, Asia, Europe and Australia.

In Australia alone – TRD supports thier operation in the Australian Rally Championship (Neal Bates and Simon Evans), Drifting (Beau Yates), Australian Off-Road Championship (Peter Kittle) and Drag Racing (Tony Wedlock).

Infact, Neal Bates is now an integral member of TRD Australia having been heavily involved with the development of the TRD Aurion and subsequent ongoing improvements, mechanical and technical assistance to other affilated TRD teams (eg. re-engining of the AE82 Sprinter used by Beau Yates in Drift Racing as mentioned earlier) and of course motor-racing itself.

As for V8SC … what eva !!

We all understand CAMS/AVESCO changed the culture of this race to discourage the participation of any other manufactuer after their embarrassing and soul wrenching defeat to Nissan and it’s all mighty GTR Godzilla.

CAMS/Avesco dictating locally manufactured RWD V8 rules meant they damn well knew Toyota and Mitsubishi (who was operational at the time) would not spend millions upon millions of dollars to alter thier production just to satisfy the rules of V8SC.

If it’s any company of all that have feared and been scared of competing against outside influences it is infact Holden and Ford … how pathetic !!

But, gee … how it all might be changing.

Take the days when Nissan squashed the aspiration of local V8 fans … add real competition and all of a sudden Holden and Ford didn’t look so good.

No different today with Toyota’s participation in NASCAR … all of a sudden : Chevrolet, Ford and Dodge are not looking so good – no wonder the American manufactuers hate outside competition !!

God hes off again sprouting on about the little Toyota are now achieving in Motor sport around the world………….Why bother with F1…..6 years in it and NOT 1 WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!PATHETIC!

Soon after introducing the ST205 in 1995, Toyota Team Europe was banned for 12 months from the WRC because of cheating.

Toyota… if we can’t buy in then well cheat our way in !!!!!…

Note, WRC lifetime ban on Toyota. Oh What A Cheater !!!!!

Toyota will eventually win anything thats easy to enter because they will throw giga-bucks to stop losing races then spend so much more until they can start buying some wins and good PR.

They’re trying so desperately to pitch themselves as an American/Austalian company, doing anything for positive reaction from the NASCAR, F1, ARC, demographic.

Bavarian Missile,
Obviously your simple bogan intellect gets too easily confused, so you can’t differentiate between me and Luke GT. So I will have to give up on this matter!! But I’m flattered that you seem to think that my grammar and english is as good as his!!

Bavarian Missile Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm “My car is still currently worth more than your top of the range so called Toyota performance car that would be a TuRD…”

Bavarian Missile, I seriously don’t know why you keep on coming to this website, when obviously you don’t know much about cars, do you?!
A bogan aged 1998 M3 (anniversary edition) is according to Redbook worth only 30-34K. I’d laugh my head off, if I wasn’t filling pitty for you!! You wouldn’t get an entry level aurion for that much let alone a top of the range TRD!!

Bavarian Missile Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
“As usual you have no credibility and take the focus of the subject by insulting my car”

You are the one who brought your M3 into this conversation, actually it hard to find blog on this site, that don’t have you dropping in your m3!!

Bavarian Missile Says:
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
“ you have lost the argument, and have not supplied the pic of your Sportivo or wide bodied 4 cyl Camry”

If you bogans learned to have a little bit more patience, and thought a little bit more about what you say, Jerry Springer wouldn’t have a show to go on!!
I did, so that’s another one of your complete myths busted!!!

as for v8sc racing you follower’s already know the govering body do not want any other makes they only want ford and holden! in american nascar racing toyota are now kicking ass with there own trd v8 engine camry! if holden and ford sales continue to slid backwards at 300mph v8sc will want to let other makes in because as has already started the factory support will dry up and there will be NO v8sc racing! toyota would dominate there as they have done in nascar!

oh what a feeling,

I had a look at Bavarian Missile’s M3 last night on the forum and out of interest I did a search on CarPoint. And depending on the km’s her 10 year old M3 could be worth up to $30k. I give your TRD Aurion 2-3 years and It will be below that. And in 10 years it will be worth nothing. The M3 however will still be a desired car.

Who has s**t for brains now?

Bavarian Missile, an awesome car by the way.

Dingo, I will quote myself on this one because you ignored a question from me that I think all the others that post on CA would be very interested to know:

“Redeem your self Luke GT/Dingo. What cars excite you as an enthusiast, excluding Toyota just for the moment?”
See above for the full post.

Sorry I just re checked my figures and if the M3 has done under 100,000km it could be worth over $40k.

I don’t have a vested interest in this argument, as you seem too. However one of my pet peeves is people who just make stuff up to support their argument, and resort to name calling. Very weak!

George is right. These posts can get a little silly at times. I know can I get carried away.
As for the topic at hand:
I’ll admit that I’m not a big fan of Toyota but they still make good quality cars. Good work Toyota on the good results in the survey. Lets hope this encourages other car brands to improve.

OWAF, a 10 year old M3, like any other car is worth anything that people are willing to pay for it.

And I have seen E36 M3s go for that sort of money. If you took it’s closest Toyota cousin, maybe something like a 96′ Supra – the value would be near identical.

Hence my statement about comparing a Aurion TRD to a M3.

again I ask

Were can I buy a trd v8 engine camry!

WHERE CAN YOU BUY A HOLDEN OR FORD V8 SUPER CAR!!!!!!!!

u can buy a commodore or falcon V8

as far as I know there is no such thing as a V8 RWD Camry

or is there???????????

NASCAR
MICHAEL Waltrip qualified a Toyota backup car for Sunday’s Daytona 500, hours after he apologised for the cheating scandal that has spoiled Toyota’s stock car debut.

F1
stealing secrets from Maranello and giving them to rivals at Toyota F1, have been convicted. Pending appeal, Angelo Santini was sentenced to nine months and Mauro Iacconi to 16 behind bars on charges of industrial espionage.

WRC
Toyota Team Europe has been banned from competition for the next 12months, and the points already gained in the 1995 World Rally Championship have been taken away by the FIA.

O o o o , I got another one too! From Autoblog.com —>

“Lending a bit of credence to recent allegations made by The National Labor Committee regarding workers right abuses by Toyota is the recent death of a lead engineer on the Camry hybrid project.

“Although the man died back in 2006, the Japanese Health Ministry has just now ruled that the man died of karoshi, which is a Japanese word meaning death from overwork. This ruling will allow his family to receive benefits from his ex-employer.”

More respect! Oh what a (dieing) feeling!

Didn’t have to look too hard did I? Top article on the massive auto site, Autoblog.

I’m sure the family of that dead worker is thrilled with the brand.

My anti-spam word was ‘Seat’, but who even cares?

Burt – go to http://www.australianmusclecarsales.com.au They have both Larry Perklins’s 1995 and 1997 Bathurst Winning VR and VS Castrol Commodores with original paintjob etc for a mere $295;000

Antispam word Toyota………….

Ok appolgies to Tomas your not DINGO {amazing to have 3 Toyota extremists on this site}……..however when I posted last night that you hadn’t added a pic of your Toyota Truck .You finally added the pic and joined after I asked you for the second time! Also waiting for an apologie on calling my car a bomb! As far as what my car is worth I never said a new TuRD you did,and I can pick a second hand one up for $46,000 in Melbourne,so as my car is valued at $50,000 cause its more than an anniversary model its an “individual” with very low ks on it that still makes it worth more than a TuRd let alone nail its arse to the wall!

Dingo you know Im female so why say I have 2 d.cks? Is there any chance that you and your new mate can answer a post without insulting that person,all it shows is that your pissed off and have a low intellect.

Tomas69 must be wagging school?

Check out the Falcon prices while u are at it.

Someone has a Toyota Crown for sale in the regular car segment.Ha Ha Ha. Fully restored and he wanted 6k for it.Ha Ha Ha.Took a while to sell.Ha Ha Ha.

hahaha.nice one Realcars Im guessing thats all he knows about, collectible Toyotas………..thats an oxymoron!

Oh and Ive just been on to Drive dot com and they have a anniversary model on there for sale at $48,000 and mine is better than an anniversary so looks like you owe me 2 apologises now mate!

Bavarian Missile,
Just because some doggy dealer advertises a car for a ridicules price certianly does not mean he will sell it for that much!! If i went to car point, and advertised my car for 200K, would suddenly be all the other cars of the same model be worth so much?

Besides speaking from personal experience, the vast majority of people who tend to buy old BMW, with no intention of restoration, tend not to know much about cars, they buy it for the flash wank badge value, since they wanna look rich yet can’t afford a new one!!

Not that entry level BMW, on the australian market with all the associated taxes and tarrifs is a smart buy!!

Look up Red Book, 30-34K is the value of the 98 M3 anniversary edition, and i bet that hasn’t been updated recently, since cause of the economic boom, used car hold almost no value!!

realcars Says:
July 10th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
“Two dicks? One gets me in enough trouble.Ha Ha Ha”

Yep, i bet its hard to see, with one mounted on your forehead!!

bavarian missle now you have us reading unique cars that is the biggest w**k magazine around you simply think of a figure then double it and then show your mates or girlfriends how much (you think!) your car is worth because it’s in a magazine! does anyone ever sell anything in unique cars? you will need to try a lot harder than that! and by the way what has any of this got to do with this starting topic! keep to the subject!

Dingo you know nothing about collectible cars either and Unique cars is a great way to sell a car, done it several times and pulled top dollar on them,when it comes to collectible cars its worth what someone is prepared to pay for it and plus as I said it was valued by Shannons too recently but I guess you think there a wank as well……..then again I dont think they insure Toyotas cause you have to be a car enthusiast!

You trying to stay on topic hahahahaha thats a joke!

Quote [Tomas79]:Just because some doggy dealer advertises a car for a ridicules price certianly does not mean he will sell it for that much!!

Well theres a “dodgy” dealer down the road from us who is selling a range of cars including:
Toyota Aurions for $35-50K
Toyota Camrys for $28-40K and
Toyota Corollas for $20-30K
Toyota RAV4s for $30-40K
Toyota Klugers for $40-60K
Toyota Prados for $50-80k

All ridiculously high prices and far more than what they are worth yet all of them appear to be selling quite well.
The only ones he’s having trouble moving are the TRD models

Why is it that all of a sudden Dingo you [and CAR ADVICE for that matter] are so concerned about staying on topic?

Given that on several occassions you [or one of your many aliases] have made an appearance on various other blogs on this site; of which the topic has nothing to do with Toyota but another manufacturer [they do exist] and hi-jacked it

So that all instead of TALKING about the car which the article is about in a civilised manner we end up doing is ARGUING about Toyota usually with personal insults/attacks and offensive language – all of which comes from you

And don’t tell me that you don’t do it. It wouldn’t be so bad if you could maintain a level-head or offer some constructive criticism but you can’t… it’s all Toyota Toyota Toyota – Lexus Lexus Lexus – NASCAR NASCAR NASCAR – TRD TRD TRD

It’s the reason why I made my previous statement [on July 9th] that:

Even if we did visit another particular blog with a topic that isn’t related to Toyota…. I have no doubt that sooner or later you would make your appearance on that blog and HI-JACK IT as you always do so we end up arguing about Toyota anyway..

Please Explain?

Note: I made the above statement/asked a Question without the use of offensive language becoming insulting or making personal attacks…. See it is possible!

What are you talking about Tomas……..as I said you know nothing about collectible cars do you! What someone is prepared to pay for a car sets the selling point ,why cant you understand that!How do you think Aussie Muscle cars have increased in value, by what the previous one sold for,thats how it works!

Red book is a guide only!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!For dealers too!

Tried not to get personal with my car…………hahaha thats a laugh your opening statement yesterday before you saw it was it was a bomb!Seems to me you both have an inferiority complex,whats up have a problem with a woman owning a car like an M3? Seems so!!

Oh and in regard to lenders loaning money on 10 year old cars……….maybe if your talking about the run of the mill boring family cars that you both own,however when it comes to REAL cars performance and collectible Ive never had a problem,my car is currently through BMW…………..and when it comes to buying $800,000 phase 3 I know plenty of banks that have lent that sort of money to purchase one,hell I know guys that have bought them for superannuation! So as Ive previously mentioned you both are talking about nothing you know about,stick to your Toyota surveys and let the educated people discuss collectible cars!

Funny how you want to change the subject and get back on topic Dingo when your losing !

Tomas you had to wait 6 months for your Prado “Mobile Fortress”. I have been told that I can expect to wait up to 6 months for my new Holden SS Ute too…. maybe more

Not only because of local demand but overseas exports too Plus the fact the new VE Sportwagon has been released – for which there is a similar waiting period.

Need I mention the waiting period for HSVs compared to TRDs?

wheeltime you are being a hypocrite! it seems to me your the one highjacking blogs (way more so when it’s toyota content) and you can also be offensive!

the real reason “wheeltime” you have to wait for any daewoo i mean holden product is not demand but wind back THEY ARE NOT SELLING CARS so they are cutting back production!hsv included!

bavarian missile you dont believe that your 10 year old m3 would beat a trd aurion do you!look at the power figures for a start: aurion trd 241kw, 13.6@102 qtr/mile, bring it to willowbank raceway anyday! you wont believe this bavarian anti-spam bmw

Sorry about the cut’n paste but this needs to be said.

1995 TOYOTA CELICA

ST205R GT4 Liftback 2dr Man 5sp 4WD 2.0T
Prices based on km 130,000 – 240,000
Trade in price guide* $12,600 – $15,500
National average price – private sale* $16,200 – $19,100
Price when new (RRP) $81,680
all prices quoted are GST inclusive where applicable

For you people that are quoting Toyota’s resale as a strong point….This is truly only the case with the good Toyota’s (ie the 4wd’s). In the case of the sports cars or the sedans, they fare no better. Above is a good example.
If you dont believe me, look at the resale values for the Avensis, MR2, Celica and anything else they have half-done.
This is what will happen to the TRD Aurion. It’s resale will plummet quicker than the WTC.

millatime no worries mate in 10 years time do the same as everyone else and just put it in “unique cars magazine” and put $30,000 on it! it will be good for that!no stuff it put $40,000 on it!

OWAF- you could be really daring (not a common trait amongst Toyota owners though) and whack it in for 41K, and the silence would be deafening..

haha Fenno the TuRD car club thats is funny! Ill have to keep my eye out for it next time at the Whiteman Park Car Show in 2009 . What a fun bunch of guys to do a cruise with they would be,burnout anyone? Woops front wheel drive.

Millatime……mmm never thought of it that way!Well said!

Dingo I dont think Unique cars accept Toyotas cause as the name suggests its for unique cars not your average family hack! Just as Shannon’s wouldn’t insure them either!Oh and thats not a factory time is it…………13.6 what are you smoking? I guess if I ever find one on the street Ill let you know how much I nailed it by Dingo!

Death by Koroshi, Ofcourse only Toyota would aspire it’s workers to that level of dedication!!

In the ford and holden camps, you wouldn’t even see a single soul around 5 minutes past knock off time! This level dedication can be seen in the quality of their products!!

And you guys were talking about passion!!

Bavarian missile, your embracing your self!! don’t make me post the TRD aurion statiscs!!

241 kws from 3.5 v6 supercharged performance is pathetic when BMW can extract 252kws out of 3.2 normally aspirated………waiting for you to impress me with Toyota figures……….

Not to mention when your at the line still trying to steer it in a straight line I’m gone in my 6 speed manual!

Ok, back on topic.
Toyota’s Success can be attributed to Key points
1. The worlds best marketing machine
2. QDR – (Quality durability and Reliability) which is consistant throughout the range.
3. A range that covers EVERY segment of the market. (Sometimes they even have two or three vehicles to fit a single segment)

This is something that no other manufacturer can match. It doesnt make them better….just bigger.
Would you call McDonalds the best restauarant in the world?
No, I would bet one of the family jewels they are the biggest…and in some survey somewhere, they may even be the most trusted.

TRD Aurion 3.5L V6 engine delivering 241kW of power and
400Nm of torque.

Vs 1998 M3 236kw and 350nm(when new)!!

Hmmmm i wonder how much of that power is left in a car of that age!!

“bavarian missle” darling please go do some more homework before you EMBARRASS yourself! quote:1998 bmw m3 0-100kph 5.5 sec qtr mile 14.00@98mph i am not talking anything about resale value here you said your beemeer would kick a trd aurion’s ass well i am sorry to say darling you are WRONG!!!!!!! trd aurion 13.6@102 qtr mile that’s at least 3 car lengths over 400 meters! who’s embarrassing themselfs now! this blog has got way out of hand i am leaving now, what started as a happy feel good article has gone to far! shut it down now!

OWAF –

Motor magazine July 2008

TRD Aurion 3500 S 0-400m 14.2 secs
TRD Aurion 3500 SL 0-400m 14.4 secs (auto)

OWAF -

Motor magazine July 2008

TRD Aurion 3500 S 0-100kmh 6.1 secs
TRD Aurion 3500 SL 0-100kmh 6.3 secs (auto)

10 Year old M3 wins!

Thomas,
Your TV is broken. What do you drive that Toyota have never advertised? BTW, There are more mediums than TV…you’re using one now.
Bogan Scapegoat????
Are you insinuating that I am of urban middle-class descent?
Get over yourself mate – You have no idea.
You’re flogging a dead horse with the M3/Aurion arguement. EVERY SINGLE RESPECTABLE DRIVER IN THE WORLD WOULD RATE THE E36 M3 OVER ANY…I REPEAT ANY TOYOTA EVER SOLD.
Motor Quote 14.2 for the quarter-mile on a TRD…
I must ask though, for someone as …(ahem) gifted as yourself, Have you even driven the TRD?

Where did you come up with those figures from Dingo I need a link to the site please? If its from your local drag strip it doesn’t count !

Tomas what do you mean how much power left in it cause of its age? As I said its low klms nothing to do with age. Cars actually get faster the looser they get! How much power has it lost well if me regularly betting most local factory V8s including the old BF GTs that also had the same performance figures its lost nothing,not to mention I just about parked in the boot of a VE SS 2 days ago cause he ran out of puff when it was trying to out accelerate me!!

As I said its all about power to weight……..

E36 M3 weight 1460kgs

TuRD Aurion weight 1630 kgs

So thats 230 kgs more coming from your over weight front wheel drive wrist braking torque steering TuRD!

What your leaving without being banned Dingo………

Please stop comparing the likes of TuRD with Bavarian Motorsport,even the guys at TuRD would laugh at you!

Thankyou Millatime I could kiss you for coming up with those figures on 1/4 mile times.Where did Dingo get his from?

i will tell you clowns again i am not dingo!!willowbank raceway june 2008 test&tune showroom trd aurion full spare, full tank fuel, traction control on 1st run 13.8@101 2nd run 13.8@102 3rd run 13.6@102 i am still waiting for those bmw times 14.0@98 thank you!

Dingo those aren’t factory times like the M3s are so unfair comparison,we dont know what mods have been done to it,doesn’t count!

And we’re not going to take your word on the fact its stock are we!

No, Thomas I was questioning as to why you implied that I am of a certain socio-economic demographic when you have zero idea of who I am. As for name-calling. You seem to well out of your depth when it comes to stringing together a coherent response to my arguement(or anyone else’s for that matter) by responding with utter crass. You are yet to enlighten us here with what sort of vehicle you supposedly even own?

In addendum. I live in the “Bogan” capital of Australia my friend (Ipswich,Qld) and have more than a few flannel shirts of my own but am no “Bogan scapegoat” as you eloquently put it. As for your W***er comment.
I am a male. Any male who denies that they do your afore-mentioned act, is truly in denial and should maybe question their own selves before passing judgement.

So how ’bout, you leave the whole attitude out of the forum and stick to the point, which as I see it so far…you have completely missed.

Okay then – However; inorder to get a more fair reasonable let alone more accurate comparison you should look for instances where the same [race car] driver was at the wheel of both cars [both then and now] otherwise the reaction time will be different.

Yet as we can see here by comparing a 10 year old German Engineered RWD naturally Aspirated I6 cyl Sports Coupe such as the M3 to a Brand New Japanes/Local engineered FWD Supercharged V6 sedan in the TRD

You have a thing for comparing apples with oranges. Surely it makes more sense to compare apples with apples which would be either

A 98 BMW M3 with a 98 VN Lexcen [from the same year]
A 08 BMW M3 with a 08 TRD Aurion [again from the same year]
A 08 3 Series Sedan with a 08 TRD Aurion [same body style]

Come to think of it Oh What A Feeling Dingo and his Crue are right the FWD TRD Aurion would quite literally run rings around the M3 mainly due to torque steer

Particularly as we have been told [on so many occassions] Toyota is also dominating NASCAR – where all they do is go round and round in circles

I have had alook on the car advice forum and Tomas79 drives a 3.0 Litre Prado 4×4 so if anyone is an authority on performance let alone performance cars it would be him and not someone who owns a BMW M3

Haven’t stopped laughing yet…Thanks WN,MT & BM.

I know its been a fun 3 hours Fenno,of which I should have been doing other things but couldn’t resist embarrassing the 2 Toyota lovers hang on they did that themselves……….mission accomplished !

Quote [George July 10] :Anyway, it’s just my 2 cents to encourage more constructive comments.

You have probably realised George that because of a select few [3 to be exact] the day you happen to find any constructive comments/criticism let alone civilised discussions were they can accept other peoples different opinions without people resorting to insults personal attacks or offensive language.

Will probably be the day Hell Freezes Over.. or South Sydney win the NRL

Tomas79 -

…bad pasting, grammar and wheels too…

No wonder you think the M3 is rubbish! How do you cope with all that horsepower? You must’ve destroyed sooooo many M3′s at the traffic lights!!

C’mon Bavarian Missile Millatime Fenno George etc….
we have successfully won the battle. Let’s leave this battlefield where we have left the bodies of our Toyota Loving enemies/victims lying in our wake….

Mmmm…. sounds kind of familiar doesn’t it Dingo; TP?

There is a japanese proverb which says he who throws the first punch is lost.

Given that the Toyo-philes on this site are such big fans of Japanese culture etc.. they should be able to guess that what the proverb means is that:

By resorting to insults personal attacks and using offensive language etc and not being able to show any signs of self control or hold a discussion in a courteous civilised manner

You are running out of options and resources to help support your arguements… once you do that you start to lose the fight

Which going by several of your comments particularly those from Dingo and Oh What A Feeling they obviously did.

Alot of Traditional Japanese culture is based around living in harmony [Feng-Shui] something it seems Oh What A Feeling and his Crue are unable to do.

So Tomas79 are you one of the 0.00000000000000000000000001% of 4×4 owners who are game enought to get their precious 2-pack metallic paintwork dirty and actually take it off road?

hahaha…….you couldn’t resist could you babe!

Oh whats up Tomas hit a nerve? The point was that once again you’ve missed the point,you talk about performance cars and you drive a FWD………..nothing wrong with that had 2 land cruisers myself,they make great off road and tow vehicles ,they dont make a tow bar for an M3………but what have you owned thats performance to compare against?

I have a good friend that has a 2007 Prado Grande but also owns an XC Cobra a BF Cobra and has a 2008 Shelby GT 500 on its way……………does that make him a bogan too?

Night Millatime………..Im off too for a while,got things to do!

Bavarian Missile,
Racing off on the Light, thats such a bogan and imature thing to do!!
I’m personally glad they started taking away cars from hoons!!

After racing off other cars at the traffic lights, are you gonna continue your bogan night out doing burn outs at your local woollies parking lot?

I don’t own a FWD!! It’s a constant full-time 4wd!!
And yeah, it might not be the fastest car onroad, but certainly is more fun off-road on the weekends!!

And why the talk of performance cars?? thats what not the topic is about!!

Good Stuff Luke Gt,
I hope you ruffle some feathers, and draw some blood again!!

Luke GT, Ford does not manufacture Tires, you see they manufacture cars for enthusiasts, the Explorer was “floored” when they fitted Firestone tires to the SUVs and Firestone admitted they made fawlty tires causing rollovers, so who’s in the wrong hmmmmmmmmm I guess the Firestone company.

How many deaths did foul handling Toyotas cause over the last forty years or so? Kapow…ouchy couchy

TP long time no drivel!

Wow LukeGT,TP and Tomas69 on the one thread.

The three luminaries of Toyota Loving.

All driving their Coronas to the Toyota club picnic.Lol

Here we go again Toyota Lovers quoting here say.

Quite a few TuRD adverts in there too.

Sounds like they should call it Australian New Toyota Buyer.Ha Ha Ha.

LukeGT, Good stuff!!
Mate, sounds like bogan fairies will be crying themselfs to sleep tonight!!!

Hey Realcars!!
I’m still waiting for you to tell me what car you drive, I been waithing from a few post back??!! Better yet, post it up on the forum, I’m up for a good laugh!!

LukeGT, yep thats holden for you!!
Thanks for that tip, I’ll get that issue, for a good laugh and future reference !!
They were so lucky the TRD aurion wasn’t present….
Seriusly, i get the feeling that even the koreans now have overtaken these two big domestics, in termsof quality!!

Seriously, if the TRD released a RWD aurion, ford and holden might as well shut their plants!!

realcars Says:
” Wow LukeGT,TP and Tomas69 on the one thread.
The three luminaries of Toyota Loving.”

realcars, you mean the 3 Wise men, who followed the signs of success, that lead them to the Big T!!!

no lukegt it was at a test & tune just before the winters so the track was not fully prepared like the times they did at the winters! everyone was blowen away by how quick the trd was, that is a lot quicker than most SO CALLED high performace passenger cars getting around today!

Another Decisive Victory for Toyota!!!

They even have a couple of models that are a bit plain.

Nice post,
I learned a lot of information from this post. Thanks for the effort you took to expand upon this topic so thoroughly.
I look forward to future posts.