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The Victorian Government today announced that 32 new speed and red light cameras will be switched on gradually over the coming weeks and months.

The first eight of the speed and red light cameras will be switched on from tomorrow.

Victorian Police Minister, Peter Ryan, said that the decision was made to switch the cameras on (which were installed, but not activated by the previous government) following a favourable Auditor-General report. The report released by Victoria’s Auditor-General claimed that speed cameras (fixed and mobile) were not primarily used to raise revenue in Victoria.

The report failed to show a direct correlation between speed cameras and the reduction in road toll and also made no mention of the effect of vehicle safety improvements since the speed camera program’s implementation. These improvements include, but are not limited to ABS, ESP, crumple zones, vehicle material changes, additional airbags and advanced car safety systems.

Revenue from speeding drivers and red-light runners reaped almost $500million for the Victorian Government in the previous financial year and despite a record increase in revenue and number of fixed and mobile speed cameras, Victoria’s road toll has plateaued over recent years.

80% of drivers nabbed by Victorian mobile and fixed speed cameras last financial year were travelling under 10km/h over the prescribed speed limit.

The full list of new speed and red light cameras is listed below (those in bold will be switched on from tomorrow):

- Ballarat Rd at Ashley St, Maidstone
- Barkly St at Carlisle St, St Kilda
- Canterbury Rd at Colchester Rd, Kilsyth South
- Cemetery Rd West at Royal Parade, Parkville
- City Rd at Montague St, Sth Melbourne
- Dandenong Rd at Warrigal Rd, Malvern East
- Dandenong Rd at Clayton Rd at Oakleigh East
- Denmark St at Barkers Rd, Kew
- Exhibition St at Victoria St, Melbourne
- Fitzroy St at Lakeside Drive, St Kilda
- Heatherton Rd at Monash Fwy, Doveton
- Hoddle St at Wellington Pde, East Melbourne
- Hoddle St at Johnston St, Collingwood
- Kings Rd at Melton Hwy, Taylors Lakes
- Mahoneys Rd at High St, Thomastown
- Maribyrnong Rd at Mt Alexander Rd, Moonee Ponds
- Maroondah Hwy at Springvale Rd, Nunawading
- Nicholson St at Princes St, Carlton
- Princes Hwy at Sth Gippsland Fwy, Eumemmerring
- Princes Hwy at Elonera Rd, Noble Park North
- Prospect Hill Rd at Burke Rd, Camberwell
- Punt Rd at High St, Prahran
- Punt Rd at Toorak Rd, South Yarra
- Raglan Pde at Mahoneys Rd, Warrnambool
- South Gippsland Hwy at Thompsons Rd, Cranbourne North
- Springvale Rd at Lower Dandenong Rd at Braeside
- St Kilda Rd at Kings Way, Melbourne
- Stud Rd at Heatherton Rd, Dandenong
- Warrigal Rd at North Rd, Oakleigh
- Warrigal Rd at Centre Dandenong Rd, Cheltenham
- Warrigal Rd at Batesford Rd at Chadstone
- Williamsons Rd at Doncaster Rd, Doncaster

What are your thoughts on the speed camera debate? Should the government be spending speed camera revenue on improving driver education, or should speed camera numbers be increased and tolerances reduced further? Do you still have confidence in the speed camera program with recent reports of their illegal use?




  • Phil

    our government is a joke, when a lot of other cities across the world are saying speed cameras cameras are having little to know affect on road safety.

    THESE CAMERAS ARE SIMPLY REVENUE RAISING

    Please implement proper driving training and promote the upgrade of newer safer cars. These 2 things will drop the road toll instantly

    • bobin

      agreed – have yet to see a speed camera in front of a school for instance

      • Mariusz

        There are plenty of speed cameras infront of schools in school zones in Sydney

    • Jon

      That is why government is fat and cheap

    • Al

      We all know cameras are a revenue raising scheme. But when will we all stand up and fight to have them scrapped?

      Aussies need to grow some balls, stop complaining and fight!

      Its a bloody wrought and Ive had a gutfull!

    • Frostie

      Unlucky for us Kiwi’s, Land Transport NZ and the police here do what your Aussie government does when it comes to transport (so called) “safety”. Talk about being sheep. Haha

    • complying citizen

      eh? its an OPTIONAL TAX though. Drive faster than the posted limit if you want to pay this optional tax, or don’t drive faster if you don’t wish to pay this optional tax. Yes folks its that simple.

  • Yonny

    Speed cameras – the curse of the driving class.

    I don’t care what they say, they will never convince me they do anything to reduce the road toll. For every study they (governments) produce that show speed cameras work, there is another study, usually done overseas, that show they are at best neutral.

  • Westie

    The last thing governments want is for speed cameras to be effective at reducing speed. Think of the revenue loss!
    Seriously, tho, speed cameras, double demerits and all of the other heavily promoted “safety initiatives” make wonderful examples of “being seen to be doing something”.
    Better education and changing society’s attitude (DUI for example) are not highly visible bang for your (tax) bucks cures, and nowhere as easy as throwing a few more cameras around.
    But, it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the politicians always get it…

  • Brenton

    I suppose speed cameras serve to raise revenue and ‘deter’ drivers from speeding. Seems to work and not work. Speeding less than 10km/h over the limit is not really reckless or hoon behaviour is it?

    Why don’t they ax all speed camera’s and instead have severe penalties for speeding if caught by a policeman who’s discretion it would be to determine if the person was speeding by a significant amount to be a hazard to others.

    Personally I think some people’s driving behaviour is far more dangerous than simply just the speed of the vehicle. Is doing 100km/h on the West Gate fwy or Monash near the city at night when there are barely any cars unsafe? What about those who tail gate and change lanes with little room and little notice, cutting people by surprise or making them slow down, yet aren’t speeding, more dangerous I think.

    STOP FOCUSING ON JUST WHETHER PEOPLE SPEED OR NOT

  • Kieran

    A staggering $500million raised from hapless drivers, most of whom were doing less than 10kmh over the limit and
    Victoria’s Auditor-General claims that speed cameras (fixed and mobile) are not primarily used to raise revenue in Victoria.”

    Oh dear, what a joke!
    This is clearly just a another contrived report telling the Victorian government what it wants to hear.
    So much for the competence and professional independence of the Auditor General – Des Pearson. CPA Australia and the Institute of Chartered Accountants should kick him out.

  • F1MotoGP

    This is revenue rising only!! Road toll reduced because more new cars on the road with 2,4,6 airbags and ABS, ESC..etc I wonder what would happened if everybody would go under the speed limit. Government would collapse??

    • F1MotoGP

      and forgot to add. What is more dangerous travelling under 10km/h over the prescribed speed limit or going 15km/h under speed limit. I find slow drivers very dangerous!!

      • Az

        Probably because you are always going at least 10 km/hr over the speed limit.

  • Biker

    Politicians are chosen for their brains …or ability to bullshit?
    Need I say more?

  • Lachy

    The more things change, the more they stay the same!

    Here’s what you do: you set up a review that will confirm what you already know to be untrue, but rather profitable, and ignore all of the other convincing evidence that exists.

  • Greg

    Everywhere I drive people are pushing the speed limit. In a 60 zone they drive at close to 70, in an 80 zone they drive at 90, in a 100 they drive and 110 and in a 110 they drive at 120. Pretty much every driver on the road is driving over the speed limit. Pushing the boundary of just how fast they can go without getting caught. Next time you are driving somewhere actually drive on the speed limit and watch every car go past you. It is no wonder so many get caught for less than 10 km over as they are always right on the boundary.

    There is a simple way of not giving your hard earned cash to the Government, slow down, drive at the speed limit and you won’t get caught. By speeding, you ARE breaking the law, and as for every other law that you break there are consequences, so break the law, expect the consequence as we all DO KNOW what the consequences for speeding are.

    If people did slow down, if people didn’t run red lights, which thousands do every day, how many times have you had a green light in front of you but had to wait while the cars running the orange and then red lights on the other side to go through, if people were courteous on the roads instead of trying to gain a second, or one car space in front then the roads would be a much safer place.

    By the way, I am a paraplegic from a motor bike accident, why, because a car driver ran a stop sign because he was in a hurry.

    • gumps

      I travelled the Hume Highway last week. I set the cruise control for 110km, timed the travel between the km markers every now and then just to relieve a little boredom and to check if the speedo was accurate. It was. Between Donnybrook Rd and Glenrowan McDonalds I was passed by over 100 vehicles (I stopped counting after 100). It was ridiculous. It didn’t get any better from Glenrowan to Sydney, although I did see a couple of NSW police cars doing their part to try and curb the craziness.

      While I think the 110 speed limit is too slow for some sections of the Hume, that’s not really the point. It IS the limit, and there aren’t too many people sticking to it.

      As an aside, three of the five motorists that passed me whilst using mobile phone handsets (I wouldn’t be able to see hands-free, would I?) had children in their cars.

      • Thatguy

        If your speedo was correct, then the car manufacturer would need to recall the car.

        Speedos must read over the actual speed. If you use a gps rather than relying on your (potentially slow) reaction time, you will notice that a speedo reading 110kmh is actually doing closer to 101kmh.

        You know what 9 kmh is over a journey between sydney and melbourne? about 40 minutes. You know what is actually the biggest contributor for crashes on long journeys? Driver fatigue. In my eyes, the people passing you were actually driving safer than you. 

    • PhantomHamster

      Well Said Greg, revenue raisers or not, the limit is the limit, u go over it , you pay the fine simple as that. If people want to change the law, then do something about it legally… I live in Sydney city, and pretty much most red lights seem to be taken just as a ‘stop if you feel like it’ situation for many motorists, I wish every intersection in sydney had a red light camera to be honest ( as much as I hate to say it)

      • Yonny

        Running a red light is in a whole different category of stupidity when compared to going 5 kays over the speed limit. The 2 scenarios are not even in the same ballpark.

        I’d happily support public flogging for people who think it’s OK to drive through a red light, as that is clearly an immediately dangerous thing to do. But driving 5 kays over the limit? Not intrinsically dangerous.

    • Colin

      True; the mentality in this country, including me, is to speed. If I could drive faster I would. I think I know best and I think I’m a better driver than most. You do to. Education of the next gen is required. I’m to set in my ways as are my peers.

  • DaveofKtown

    I agree with the sentiments of comments above however, I am quite happy for idiots (ppl who drive past obvious cameras that stick out like dogs balls) to be fined and have the money in government coffers to be used for the rest of us, hopefully for something useful.

    At the end of the day, we can all speculate if cameras reduce road toll or not, I doubt that they do, but if you drive past a massive camera about the limit you deserve to pay a fine for being stupid!

    Don’t speed and you won’t think it is an issue.

  • Aleks

    Only 32 ??? They will never make their budget of infinity dollars from the motorists with only 32 …

  • Altezza

    I know the news of new cameras won’t make drivers happy, and given regardless of government we’re in, they still raising more revenues. However, if you don’t like throwing your money to government’s bank account, then don’t speed or dash past red lights.

  • Anthony Brett

    Pure Revenue Raising. Hidden Cameras are illegal as per constitution. Camera signs are placed illegal. Operators Manuals for these cameras state, including Radars on Police vehicles are NOT accurate. They do not work accurate in rain and cloudy days. But who is going to fight it.
    A lawyer in NZ did and won.

    • Dude

      LOL! Sorry mate, as much as I hate speeding cameras, and support all people with arguments againts them, I gotta say yours is just plain dumb! The constitution makes no mention of cameras, hidden or otherwise!

  • Paul the Picker

    Anybody who has travelled extensively overseas would know that Australian drivers are terrible. The average Australian driver doesn’t know current road law; their reaction times are so poor, they can be measured on a calendar; good judgement is replaced by guesswork; anticipation is replaced with mental constipation; their driving skills are weak; and the worst thing of all is that they have a lousy attitude. Why is this case? Because we teach drivers to pass a test and not to drive safely and within the capabilities of road conditions or the vehicle, and the personal abilities of the individual. Until the driving the law, the driving test standards, and the learning system changes dramatically, all Governments can put a speed camera every couple of metres and it won’t change a thing, apart from State revenues. If Peter Ryan (and all State Police and transport/roads Ministers) can’t see this, then he is part of the problem and not the solution. Speed doesn’t kill, bad attitudes do.That includes all our sub-standard politicians too.

  • Vinay

    *****PRIMO*****

    Speed cameras catching drivers speeding my 10kmh or less = UNFAIR
    Red light cameras and speed cameras catching drivers over 10kmh = FAIR

    • The Spoon

      oh don’t you start that ‘PRIMO’ crap!!

  • Shrek

    The biggest failure of cameras is that they fail to stop the speeding while its happening.. Rest assured that the 80% of people nabbed are less than 10km/h over where probably unaware that they were speeding until the received the present in the post.. If the bureaucrat’s were really interested in stopping people speeding, the cameras would be lit up like a bonfire with warnings well before the so called “black spots” where all the apparent “carnage” occurs. Without a doubt this would slow people down.
    However, we are faced with egoistical and pious bureaucrat’s who think that it is their place to “teach us s lesson” to obey the law regardless of its affect, or the spirit in which it was created (hence getting nailed for going 2 kms over.. Is it safer to keep staring at your speedo, or to keep your eyes on the road??).
    It is their matter of selfish principle, and desire to be obeyed, rather than any concern for our health that drives these ridiculously childish toys of revenue raising. Bring on the cameras I say, but don’t hide them, don’t trick us, don’t treat us like your pets. Put warnings on the roads, plenty of advance notice. If people still speed, then double the current fine. But they’ll find there will be no one to fine, and a great big $500 dollar budget hole to fill..

    • Danny

      The aim is that these “serial speeders” will lose their licence and not be able to drive, and hence speed, anywhere. If there was a sign they’d slow down then speed back up.

    • Lang Chye

      If speeding is so dangerous, then the offending driver should be stopped immediately. Speed cameras can’t do that. They can only raise revenue.

      • Harris

        So you’re saying that speeding drivers should be stopped and lose their licence on the spot, for one offence? Or that they should be stopped and carried to their destination?

  • Peter Cameron

    80% of drivers booked were doing less than 10km/h over the limit. This says it all really. That is not speeding. The difference this would make in an accident would be minuscule. It’s the same in Queensland and it’s a nice earner.

  • Car Fanatic

    Then be more aware of your speed. My last speeding fine in 1997 cost me my license. When I got it back I simply obeyed the rules of the road. If you get caught stiff bikkies, it’s not hard sticking to the rules, all you do is concentrate.

    • Dude

      Yeah, concentrate staring on the side of the road looking for speed traps, rather than the road itself. Works for me I guess, I usually spot them, but yeah, don’t pay much attention to the road as a result… Not much you can do really, I’ll take my chances, if an accident happens, it happens, I got insurance against accidents. But I don’t have insurance against speeding fines, so I take a calculated risk. So far so good, only had two minor prangs so no biggie.

      • Car Fanatic

        Well if you can’t take all your surroundings in whilst driving perhaps you should hand in your license.

        • Dude

          Rather than a bandaid solution, like what you have mentioned, perhaps it’s better to be preventative about it, and remove the cameras altogether. That way your full attention will be directed at the road, not at the tax collector…

  • Pauly

    I have nothing wrong with Speed and Red Light cameras when they are used properly (to save lives). At present this is not the case.

    People traveling at 10km/h over the limit should not be fined!

    People traveling over 10km/h over the limit and going through red lights SHOULD be fined!

    But don’t go and hide cameras or be sneaky or have unmarked police cars. Whats the bloody point? Your just being sneaky and people trust you less.

    Have POLICE BACK ON OUR ROADS! Have cop cars not he sides of roads with the speeding guns out, not these white Captivas on the side of the road, it does nothing because people get a fine 2 months down the track, the offence has been committed.

    if they saw a nice big Orange and Blue cop car, people will slow down!

    • Harris

      Yes but then they’d speed up again 10 seconds later. If the police are unmarked the idea is YOU DON’T KNOW WHERE, YOU DON’T KNOW WHEN- drive within the law all the time.

      If the cops were in marked cars the speeders would slow down then speed back up.

      If the cops are in umarked cars the speeders get caught and if they keep doing it lose their licence and can’t speed anywhere at all.

  • John R

    Revenue from speeding drivers and red-light runners reaped almost $500million for the Victorian Government

    80% of drivers nabbed by Victorian mobile and fixed speed cameras last financial year were travelling under 10km/h over the prescribed speed limit.

    Victoria’s road toll has plateaued over recent years.

    I think that pretty much sums up the issue. Governments know people must keep using certain things no matter how much they tax them. Driving your car, owning a house, buying groceries – you have to do these things to live. It doesn’t matter how much they tax you or they make life difficult for you, you’re going to keep doing these things. Over 90% of personal trips are made by car in this country and it’s not about to change. So if the government puts up a 100 new revenue cameras that pick you up for being 1km/h over the speed limits which are now 40km/h on the freeway, you’re still going to drive and pay whatever fines you get. They need the money to promise voters new things at election time. Governments have no incentive to make it easier for people, except when they need to buy their vote.

  • Jess

    so are the cameras not in bold not turned on yet ? Because I thought I got done at heather ton Rd dove ton on Friday …

  • UniversityOfGoogle

    The Government is squeezing the populace for all their worth. While they refuse to pay workers in the public sector pay rises in line with inflation, they are gunning for a 40% (!!!) increase to their pay.

    Tax reduction methods sure look tempting right about now ;)

  • Tim W

    My frustration is that speed camera revenue goes into the consolidated revenue of the Victorian government. NOT!!! directly to Road safety initiatives.
    Speed Camera revenue has kept up nicely with inflation, but i wonder whether BETTER DRIVER TRAINING initiatives or MORE POLICE ON THE ROADS are keeping up in the old ‘real terms’???!!

  • save it for the track

    It’s so hard these days to stay under the speed limit, and to brake for red lights. What with all of the cruise controls, speed warning devices, speed limit setting devices, abs brakes and the like.
    .
    Of course there’s the mobile phones, ipods and other distractions as well for those not focussed on the primary purpose of being in a motor vehicle. Driving.
    .
    Anyone paying attention whilst behind the wheel should know what the speed limit is, and easily stick to it, not to mention be able stop for red lights. No excuses.

    • Car Fanatic

      Absolutely 100% in agreement. Like I said I lost my license in 1997 and after getting it back realized how easy it was to pay just a little more attention and drive within the boundaries of the traffic laws. I have a clean license and have had since late 97, I’ve had no accidents, no near misses, don’t drive through red lights, my mobile is on silent and in the glovebox cause if that call I receive is really important they will leave a message.

      It’s not hard to stick to the rules and the rule in my car is if you want to talk, save it til we get where we are going.

  • nickdl

    The thing that annoys me is the location of these speed cameras. While the authorities will always say that speed cameras are put in locations that save lives, it seems the major strategy behind the locations is where they will get the most people doing 4km/h over the limit. I.e. the bottom of a hill.

    One of the cameras listed is at the corner of Warrigal and Batesford Rds, Chadstone, an area I’m quite familiar with. What’s interesting to note is that this is the bottom of a valley. Batesford Rd descends towards this intersection in both directions, as does Warrigal Rd.

    Furthermore, the speed limit in both directions at that intersection on Warrigal Rd is 40km/h, due to some shopping centre which is largely deserted, and yet 200m in either direction the speed limit goes back up to 70km/h. It is often impractical and dangerous to slow down 30km/h in such a short distance, and the government is capitalising on this while supposedly “saving lives”…

    Something else I find interesting is that someone I know was booked by this camera about a year ago for running a red light. While this is clearly a bad thing, wasn’t the camera which enforced the fine turned off at that time??

    I’m all for enforcing speed limits in urban areas, and excessive speed can be dangerous in many suburban streets, however labelling someone as a danger to society for driving 4km/h too quick is a bit ridiculous. It would be interesting to see the Victorian government’s stance on this matter if the fines went elsewhere, such as to charities or towards better driver training.

  • Gianni

    Speed cameras don’t have any real purpose apart from revenue raising. Drivers are focusing more on keeping under the limit and looking at their speedo’s more than whats around the next bend. Our government doesn’t care about it’s people. Just the amount of money they can spit out. We already have enough bills to pay. Why add more? Why not TRUST our drivers? We have some of the safest roads in the world! Even some of the safest cars yet our road toll just keeps getting higher! Let the government explain that!

    • sac

      toll rising? indicative of your knowledge on this topic, despite an increasing population, toll is decreasing

  • Paul

    The Victorian Police Minister, Peter Ryan, is OUT-OF-CONTROL!!! Until someone organises a Twitter protest against this kind of road extorsion, they will just keep building their little tax payer funded ego maniac empires!

    • Vwr32

      We must protest, this is really getting out of control!

  • Jacob

    We know not to go through red lights!

    We dont need a bloody camera to fine us when we are making a right turn at those inner city intersections!

  • Able

    More cameras do suck bu at least Victorians don’t have Cherys or Geelys on their roads (yet)…

  • Yeti Man

    I thought we have a new government in Victoria?

    • nickdl

      They need to pay for the old government’s stuff ups. With Wayne Swan wanting to divert more tax from the states to the Commonwealth, we’re only going to see more of this so the state governments will have enough money.

  • Arabian knight

    In spain they have a system where if you speed it will cause a the next traffic light to turn red, then all the cars around you would get the shits with you so you don’t end up doing it again because you would be slowing everyone down. Isn’t that a much better way then to just fine

    So the goverment believes that fining people that would deter people to speed but what about the rich, what prevents the rich from speeding?(demerit points) so if fining the rich dosnt stop the rich won’t effects the rich? demerit points will,so the goverment should remove cash fines and just leave demerit point because all cash fines are doing is effecting low income earners . It don’t take a genies to work out that it is a cash revenue

    Man you can even concentrate on the road properly because you don’t know where there’s a speed camera are so your always trying to look out for them

  • Andre

    It is the same the world over… Just about everywhere – I have no issues with the cameras only with the speed limits in some areas. Laws were established to protect society at large and they exist to establish a common acceptable ground. Hence if everyone is getting pinger it merely indicates the speed limit (law) may need reviewing – though ‘everyone’ in relation to the total number of cars travelling versus those detected speeding may considerably vary.

    As a guide I find it reasonable to have some leeway of error (not with redlights though) ..

    I can only survive on Vicroads with my active cruise control and speed limiter. The cruise on my car has a braking function. Sometimes the limits are so antiquated that, admittedly, I keep busy in other ways (phone) to alleviate the boredom….

  • Arabian knight

    Proof that the Victorian government is revenue raising

  • Arabian knight

    PhantomHamster
    I completely disagree with you

    You should see how many near accidents I have had due to those safety cameras

    The taffic light would have just turn Amber and the guy in front off me slams his brakes we almost collided into each other. It’s only because I leave an extra safe distance is the reason I didn’t hit him

    How can you call that safe

    • Car Fanatic

      You are supposed to keep a reasonable gap, then you wouldn’t have to brake so hard.

  • PROJET – L

    Gas Axe em off at the base

  • Arabian knight

    I have seen two cars that were so paranoid with the cameras
    As soon as the light hit orange they slammed the brakes causing there tires to skid leaving smoke and all

    Lucky there was no one behind them or it could have been a serious accident maybe even resulting death

    They call them Safety cameras yeah umm ok

  • Arabian knight

    PROJET – L & Vwr32

    I completely agree with you’s

  • Arabian knight

    Az

    How do you know that

    where you there holding a radar gun

  • Arabian knight

    Danny are you living under a rock
    Serial speeders
    Man we have very complex road systems with multiple speed limits within meters you can only do your best to stay within the speed limit
    But fining your people is not the way to go

    • Harris

      if you can’t read and keep up with the speed limits which are in big black and white signs, mate hand in your licence beacuse you’re brain is severly under-developed.

      • Car Fanatic

        Well said Harris, completely agree

  • GG

    I feel very sad for the Victorian people. In NSW the goverment switch off 38 speed camera but they will be adding 200+ more speed and red light camera (safety camera)to the road. I also feel sad for the NSW people but at least we have signange. Everything its about money, nothing else. Redflex is laughing all the way to the bank. Money Money Money.

  • Arabian knight

    You pay
    GST
    capital gains tax
    Income tax
    Fuel tax
    Stamp duty
    Rego
    A soon carbon tax
    Flood levey tax
    And a whole Lot of other taxes I don’t even know about then they have the audacity to say theres going to be more cameras

  • Arabian knight

    Isnt the demerit points sufficient

    Do you really need to take money off your people by force

    If they have other methods in Europe should we adopte them

  • Technofreak

    Somebody needs to carry out an experiment to record just how much a driver looks at the speedo compared to the road ahead…

    I think this would show a remarkable figure that could be used to take down this ‘speed kills’ bullsh!t money grab.

  • Don Quay

    I have found on some of the rural freeways in Victoria that is is very difficult to know what the actual speed limit is. The signage is very poor and you often have many kilometres between the signs. You could be driving on a multi lane, dual carriageway road thinking it has a 110km/h limit and when you finally see a sign after 10 minutes, discover it is actually a 90 or 100km/h zone. At interchanges they don’t even appear to have a sign after the lanes merge for the new traffic to be aware of the speed limit. I have noticed this to be the case on the roads around Ballarat and Bendigo. I would think that there should be signs placed at intervals of no more than 5km. Another thing is that the speed limit changes up and down in the range from 80 to 110km/h for no apparent reason. There are no obvious differences in the road, intersections, terrain, traffic or anything else. With hidden cameras used, it makes me very suspicious about their motives and the opportunities for revenue raising.

  • macca

    the Vic govt says they don’t need speed camera revenue… ok then, give it all to charity!

  • Tony

    I don’t mind more cameras BUT the tolerance has to be 10 km/hr above the speed limit. It is impractical most of the time to run at or below the speed limit. COMMONSENSE is the most important thing in driving. Also, the police are very good at speeding fines but not with the more important crimes such as drugs and street crimes.

  • Noel

    As it has been said previously in a post here, speed cameras do not stop the driver from speeding at the time, the “reckless” driver is still endangering the life of every person on the road.

    We’ve had speed cameras for a long time in Australia, there has to be someone out there who has had an accident not long after being caught by a speed camera, the government must surely have to take some responsibility for knowing someone is breaking the law, endangering another citizens life and not doing something about it immediately.

  • JeepTragic

    these speed cameras are nothing but revenue raising by the state governement. this is the same government that was objecting to same speed cameras whilst in opposition. Bloody bunch of hypocrites.
    why don’t the governemtn focus on bad driving behavious, unroadworthy cars driving on our raods whith worn out tyres and bad brakes? I bet that this is what’s causing most accidents rather than speeding 10 kph over the limit.

  • davo

    Amazing how being 10k’s over resulting from inattention is seen as ok & therefore supports the revenue raising arguement.
    If you can’t maintain a constant speed what is wrong with you as a driver?
    If you speed in a 40,60,70 or 80 zone & complain when you get caught then you are thinking only about yourself & not why those zones might be there.Should’nt have to say why but here goes.Shopping precincts,public transport hubs,schools,pedestrian crossings,poor road surfaces,roadworks.
    You speed,you are dumb,so you pay.
    Then there is the 100-110 zone.If you get caught here how often do you flagrantly go over the limit,heaps I suspect & how naive not to think the local highway patrol may not be hanging around outside country towns?

  • Vince

    Victoria – The failure state.

  • sac

    All the new cameras are at intersections, do any of the turkeys above here understand that interesections are the most common places for accidents; one should actually slow to 10km/h below the limit when you go through, 10km/h above is not acceptable, and any logic for not nabbing people that run red lights, lets hear that too!
    Setting general tolerances to 10km/h, wrong on two fronts:creates a speed difference between people that respect the law and those that flaunt the law, and raises the average speed which in turn increases the accident rates. The speed limit is a limit, dont exceed it. Please no whinging about how your speedo can be that far out, they seldom underread, you can get it calibrated after your first fine if that is the case, or if you are that unsure get it calibrated now.

  • sac

    “The report failed to show a direct correlation between speed cameras and the reduction in road toll and also made no mention of the effect of vehicle safety improvements since the speed camera program’s implementation” Paul Maric

    How disingenuous Mr Maric: perhaps read http://www.audit.vic.gov.au/publications/20110831-Road-Safety-Cameras/20110831-Road-Safety-Cameras.pdf p19

    “The evaluation found that, on average, after cameras were installed at these sites,
    there was a statistically significant reduction in casualty crashes of 47 per cent on the
    leg of the intersection where cameras were situated. The evaluation also examined the
    rate of crashes for all roads leading to the intersection, not just the road where the
    camera is. It found there was a 26 per cent fall in casualty crashes for these roads.
    This demonstrates that the cameras are having a positive effect on road safety even
    on drivers who are not directly exposed to the camera. Additionally, there was a
    44 per cent fall in right-turn crashes, where two vehicles hit at a right angle, which is a
    particularly serious type of crash as the vehicle occupants have less protection.
    The evaluation estimated that, across the 77 intersections, the cameras had led to
    reductions of 17 fatal or serious injury crashes and 36 minor injury crashes per year.”

    Perhaps you want to appear on media watch for misrepresentation?

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au Paul Maric

      Have you read the report the audit has referenced, -sac?

      The MUARC report (n. 307) states that although there was a reduction in casualty crash risk (across 77 intersection), there was no reduction in crash severity.

      That information alone would suggest that those likely to drive through red lights are undeterred by speed and red light cameras at intersections. Having a driver pass through a red light and collide with a vehicle will still cause equal crash severity, with the only benefactor of the speed camera in this instance being a photograph of the event.

      The report also does not take into account the type of driver that is driving through a red light and causing fatal car accidents (were they drunk, drugged, etc.). There is also no mention of vehicle safety with respect to the level of crash severity.

      While I agree that speed cameras do slow drivers down when placed in key areas, the current low tolerances and staggering increase in both camera numbers and revenue have not had an equally proportionate effect on the road toll. There is no credible evidence that suggests the road toll reduction can be solely attributed to speed cameras, I stand by the statement that it’s a culmination of visible road policing (be it marked police cars or speed cameras), vehicle safety and driver education that will and has contributed to the reduction in road toll.

      The average vehicle fleet age in Australia is 10 years. During the past 10 years we have seen innovations such as ABS, ESP, crumple zones and other safety aids. These can be attributed in part to the road toll reduction. There will eventually be a point where cars can only be so safe and we need to take driver education and training into account to stop the gap.

      With only 31% of fatal car accidents in Victoria being attributed to excessive speed, speed cameras are only one part of the solution. Better education for drivers, better cars for young drivers and mandatory periodic roadworthy inspections are also part of the solution.

      I’ll also point out for the record that I have never been fined by a fixed speed camera or mobile speed camera (despite some of the shonky tactics revealed by CarAdvice). I drive to the prevailing road conditions and keep safe following distances, but am continuously staggered by the continuous display of poor driving on the road (despite the said drivers being at or below the speed limit).

      • sac

        Mr Maric, who are you kidding, your statement was:

        “there was direct correlation between cameras and the road toll”, clearly when 26% less people are killed at these camera controlled intersections than previously there are having an effect.

        (Whether you can argue about whether the mathematical relationship between cameras and fatalities is linear or otherwise, is irrelevant)
        No, you cant attribute the differences to improvements in car safety, the same improvements would be evident at non camera controlled intersections, which they are not.

        • Yonny

          Sac, you’re the one who’s kidding – along with the substandard methodology and conclusions contained in that PDF.

          For example, there is no mention (that I can see) of the “reversion to mean” effect, which can account for a huge percentage of any observed reduction in accident rates at intersections. Similarly, the simply massive increase in car safety over the past 15 years is not adequately accounted for.

          No wonder the pollies and police can hold us to ransom – people like you cheer them on from the sidelines and seem not to care about their dodgy science and lies.

          Wake up, man.

  • Laney

    I was on the hume hwy heading back into Sydney on Monday and there were police everywhere (long weekend). I was overtaken by three patrol cars doind at least 120km/h and they weren’t pursuing anyone….. Never seen a cop get pulled over by another cop….

    • Car Fanatic

      It stands to reason they were exceeding the speed limit so more motorists saw them. If the all stayed with your group of cars, their presence would be moot.

      • Laney

        I see your point but they should have been going below the limit and lead by example instead of breaking the law we are expected to abide by

  • http://big jinhua1986@yahoo.com

    I see your point but they should have been going below the limit and lead by example instead of breaking the law we are expected to abide by

  • A-train

    Ha ha! Get over yourselves people, how about a bit of self control and taking responsibility for your actions. Can’t keep to the speed limit? Bad luck.

  • Karen Robinson

    My name is Karen Robinson and I am a volunteer speaker at Road Trauma Awareness Seminars. Each month I tell my family’s road trauma story to 15 “high at risk”, repeat road traffic offenders, mainly young men, mostly between the ages of 16 to 25. They have been sent by the magistrates’ court or by solicitors, pre-court attendance. It is frightening to hear each month what has caused them to be at these seminars e.g. driving 3 times over the legal blood alcohol limit, speeding 180 on a motorbike, doing burnouts and crash car, fled from the scene of an accident and served 6 months jail, fell asleep at the wheel of the car, on it goes on! The one thing that they all have in common is a bravado and bullet proof driver behaviour attitude. It is clear that we need to educate young people before they get behind the wheel of a car, at ages 15, 16, & 17! Money raised from cameras should go to offering this to every teenager, in every school and not just for some. Karen Robinson, Looking to save young drivers lives, in memory of my son Ben, killed in road trauma 2009.