HSV Tourer details emerge

By George Skentzos | June 17th, 2008

New details have emerged surrounding the recently announced HSV Tourer based on the soon-to-be released Holden Commodore Sportwagon.

At this point it seems there will be two models available in the Touring line-up – the aformentioned R8 Tourer as well as a high-end Senator Estate, each carrying a $1,000 premium over their sedan counterparts.

As expected, both Touring models are likely to be spec’d in line with their respective sedan model grades, featuring the same 317kw LS3 V8 with the choice of either a six-speed manual or automatic transmission.

One keen-eyed LS1.com.au member has also managed to capture a short video of an R8 Tourer out and about on the streets of Melbourne.

From behind, the Tourer looks quite discreet, with only the HSV badging separating it from its SS-V counterpart – definitely comfort for some anticipating a Maloo-style rear makeover.

The R8 Tourer spotted in the clip also sports wheels identical to those found on the HSV W427 displayed earlier this year at the Melbourne Motor Show.

Source: LS1.com.au

No Name

The bosses at Holden must be completely out of touch with reality. Yep great car, lets put a gas guzzling engine in it so we can sell about ten a year as the demand is so great for big engines using 14plus litres per hundred K’s.
Well perhaps they will sell a few but given petrols heading for $2/litre there will not be many takers.

Foolish
devil666

well you have no name, so im just going to refer to you as foolish, but hsv is a niche market, low volume setup, and there will always be a market for performance.

adding practicality to this performance is clever move on their part, presuming handling isn’t compromised. If you can afford a car hitting the high 70′s, clearly you can afford the petrol, and should you have a guilty conscience, you can prolly afford the carbon offset as well.

hsv don’t have a market selling eco-dogboxes that handle just like the prius looks: a wedge of cheese

go hug a tree
Tom

It’s almost hard to get excited about these types of car when right now the world is being turned around by fuel prices

I mean when it was just over a dollar a year ago that’s one thing, but as it approaches $2 its beginning to get to the point were it sucks a significant amount of some people’s weekly wage. Particularly students and part time workers.
Pablo

This car will sell. There are plenty of people who actually want this type of car.
As for the the guy driving & using his phone to video the car…
Wheelnut

One particular HSV/Holden dealer here in Adelaide apparently has as many as 10 advanced orders for the new HSV Tourer
Middlez

Hey i took that video…

It looks great in real life!

And was difficult to catch up to at first

Fuel prices are an issue and so is the luxury car tax which this car will fit into with its price…

Currently driving a VY LS1 wagon, it’ll be a tough choice between the SSV and the TOURING… But i’ll definately be behind the wheel of one of them!
Middlez

Oh and no name,

Your opinion represents the demographic that obviously won’t be buying this car.

If you can conjure the ability to step outside of your little box, you may find a big world out there!

Yes Pablo, i took the video while driving, and yet i had both hands on the wheel… You know it’d be worse if i was eating an apple or having a drink, or smoking a cigarette. I’m sure you don’t do that though! Relax tiger…
Ford Go Better

How boring Boldenwoo, sadly this thing will follow the same path as the Adventura, petrol prices have hit an all time high, what a waste of space, who care’s about a silly looking station wagon.

Ford Territory is still NO.1
James

I have a Territory and its the biggest POS I have ever owned.

TERRITORY SUCKS AND SO DO FORDS!
Middlez

The the ford V8′s go really well.

And the territory claims 13.1 but actually achieves 14.5 – 15L/ 100km

Moron
booter

ford go better – your bagging this car on the grounds of fuel prices having gone up. you won a territory!! have you even read how much fuel your territory uses??? its one of the worst fuel economy cars in our market.
booter

won = own, hehe opps
Golfschwein

Your jealousy looms larger than your bravado, Ford goes Better, and therefore can’t be hidden.

This is not a Territory fighter. This competes against the brand new FG FPV GT wagon with its Control Blade rear suspension, rakish good looks…ha ha, only kidding. THERE ISN’T ONE!
Tony M

Let me give you a bit of advise. When I had my ’67 S type Jag manual, which was a beautiful car to drive and look at, I found that when the economy went down and petrol prices went up those cars that were “neesh cars” would drop in price like a lead balloon. I don’t know how many of you guys ever owned anything but a Holden or Ford but this car is going no where. And the reason is priorities. Doesn’t matter if it’s a Holden or Ford it’s 12 months to late.
Middlez

Advise noted and disregarded.

Each to their own. I dont actually care how HSV’s sales are going to go. I like this car, so i’m considering buying it. That means this car IS going to go somewhere, potentially into my garage, and thats all that matters.

If you’re not considering buying it, then thats ok. But if i can offer you one piece of advice:

Your unsubstantiated prophecies are worthless.
Minnow

HSV has had record sales numbers, and there is no sign of letting up even though fuel prices have risen. So obviously for HSV buyers, petrol is their last concern. The (mine is bigger than yours) number on the boot more than compensates for the cost of fuel, and their ego. haha, just jokes.
JW

I hope those W427 wheels don’t make it, they look horrible.
Tony M

Middlez: “Your unsubstantiated prophecies are worthless.”

These aren’t prophecies. I sold cars in the mid seventies when oil was about $100 a barrel and people were trading in 6 month old V8 HZ Premiers for 4 cylinder Toranas. I know when someone wants something they’ll pay anything for it but when they have to sell it they tend to lose a bucket load of money. I know because I did when I sold my Jag. You need to live a bit before you brush things aside as dribble.
Wheelnut

Ford could come out with a similar vehicle – a GT Wagon; all they would ahve to do is simply “DUMP” the Territory back down to normal sedan height [if not lower] then it would be fuw-lly schick mayte!
Mmmmm

HOT looking car!!
Duck

“How boring Boldenwoo, sadly this thing will follow the same path as the Adventura, petrol prices have hit an all time high, what a waste of space, who care’s about a silly looking station wagon.”

Ford Go Better, just shut up mate will ya!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Sportswagon will not fail like the Adventura. By the way the Adventure did not fail miserably, but didn’t reach the sales Holden expected, the same with the Crewman. (I love the Crewman!) Ford Go Better, by the way also the new Wagon and the Adventura are two completey different things one’s AWD (the adventura) and RWD (Sportswagon VE), so why compare them to each other? It’s also cheaper than what the Adventura was! The wagon is only $1000 over the equivelant sedan models. I reckon they will do well, better than the sedans probably in my opinion!

By the way the wagon looks good!

P.S. Ford Go Better (change the name please because I do not like it at all!) Your Ford Territory you talk about is a fuel guzzler more than the Sportwagons will be
Mr T

I think the HSV Sportswagon is a good idea in theory… appealing to those who want performance but say cant get the Mrs to accept a sedan for the family. But at the same time people are starting to move away from large sedans let alone performance large sedans.
senator

this ford guy is so biased, he goes on every holden article and starts saying inappropiate comments to the article. Very neagtive to Holden, Ford aint pefect either. Grow up mate your acting like a 12 year old.
Duck

^Totally agree Senator!
No Name

Devil666 – theres no need for insults, no i’m not foolish.
I merely expressed an opinion, I have my own of you now, but i’ll not go there.
HSV bit accepted but i’m not into balls-out-performnance when you can only go 110K’s tops. What perhaps i would like is the cheaper version, smaller more economical engine, which I would imagine lots more people want selling more units to make more money. Not everyone is a petrol head.
Gone to hug a tree and cuddle badgers.
Camski

I’m not so sure that these won’t sell well.

Infact I think they’ll sell too well.

I know the C63 is a car that is under rather limited production but consider this, all have been sold and the earliest you can get one now is June 2009. I don’t know about you but the fuel economy is horrible on that thing but if it’s a performance car you want (this also applies to the HSV’s etc.) then it’s a performance car you’ll get and most are willing to accept the cost of fuel and the not-so-good fuel economy.

No Name – It’s not how fast you can go, it’s how you go fast =D The performance you get from these sorts of cars means that acceleration in 6th gear isn’t a problem. I won’t disagree with you though, something like the 2.0TFSI Jetta has oodles of torque that will pull from it’s high gears plenty fine. But for some, that’s just not enough.
devil666

Foolish (no name) – just like Camski said, you can get to 110 in 5 seconds or you can get there in 10. Overtaking safety increases as does overtaking potential. With bigger engine comes tighter shocks and bigger brakes that give you a safer and more capable car.

All of these points are irrelevant however, because this is a HSV post about a HSV car and yet here you are bitching about 14 litres a hundred kays. There’s a Holden v6 model that does 10. There is LPG options. Within a year or two there could be diesel. And yet here you are, calling them (Holden) foolish because this HSV post somehow offends you? And yet they already have pre orders and deposits taken. I also hope you realise that HSV is owned by Tom Walkinshaw’s company and therefore have some level of independence from the Holden bosses also

All in all, if Holden bosses are foolish for approving such a car, you are even more foolish for expressing such a lewd opinion. HSV is the “balls-out” performance division, go to the Holden posts. HSV will sell these cars. The world will go on using oil. Hybrid guinea-pigs will continue to be outgunned and outclassed by the common diesel engine.

Hope that badger didn’t gnaw on your brain for too long….
No Name

I don’t have one, brain that is, I eaten to many raspberry fools and its rotten away. I actually reduced myself to being sensible now from being a decent bright, I living in the woods with lovely fluffy bunnies, badgers and hooting owls. We’re all ganging up on those nasty cars who continue to pollute our estate and conspiring with the petroleum companies to put up the price of fuel further.
Duck

So (in the HSV range) what there will be a Sportwagon Clubsport R8, GTS and Senator? hmmmmmmmmmmm…………..cool!

Anti-Spam word FPV! Ha! That reminds me ther’ve got nothing to compete aganst them NOW (HSV) with the wagon! hehehehehehe!
Middlez

Tony M:

“These aren’t prophecies. I sold cars in the mid seventies when oil was about $100 a barrel and people were trading in 6 month old V8 HZ Premiers for 4 cylinder Toranas. I know when someone wants something they’ll pay anything for it but when they have to sell it they tend to lose a bucket load of money. I know because I did when I sold my Jag. You need to live a bit before you brush things aside as dribble.”

More assumptions made here, you assume to be older and wiser than everyone else around you. Way to prove my point. What you say is unsubstantiated and irrelavent.

Maybe have a look on another page with a 90′s maxima or something more suited to your style and fuel needs. People might value what you say and may get some more support.

People who buy this car dont care about resale, or fuel, or whether YOU think this car is going to be a success for its manufacturer. Thats what we’re saying.

A year too late??? I say they can’t bring it soon enough!
Watto_Cobra

I’m a rabid(lol) Ford fan but I get embarrassed when I read comments like those from “Ford Goes Better”. Mind you every marque has a minority of the same sort of people .eg. Dingo for Toyota, Brock05 and Football Meatpies Kangaroos & Holden Cars for Holden.

It looks good to me and will sell. Perhaps not as many as the sedans, but well enough to make a good business case. Haven’t seen a really good shot of the back yet.

You’re right about the wagon Duck. Ford has taken the tradie route which rules out FPV doing one. But we still have the F6 *nudge* which I hope to have one of by years end.
Tony M

Middlez: Age is not the issue, experience is. The statement is ” been there done that”. And mate I don’t drive Jap cars I prefer European cars that are designed to be driven.
Wheelnut

QUOTE – Ford Go Better: “who care’s about a silly looking station wagon?”

You obviously didn’t see the crowds of people who swarmed around the Sportwagon at the recent Motorshows.. Nor have you heard/read that Holden have taken over 75 advance orders for the Sportwagon.

There are also a considerable number of people in the USA and UK who want one but unfortunately there are no plans to export it.

So in response to your question. I would have to say more than you think.
Wheelnut

Watto if you want a decent shot of the back visit the holden website and click on the sportwagon mini-site all the info on the wagon is there including photos specs etc
Wheelnut

Duck – the Crewman did reach Holdens sales expectations.. infact it exceeded them.

My mates at the Holden Factory told me that they couldn’t build them quick enough and when the VZ ceased production it took virtually no time at all to clear the remaining stock of crewman utes left in the storage yard.

The reason why it was dis-continued was because it wasn’t part of the initial plan for the VE.. Holden laid out the program to release the Sedan and Statesman first [inorder to capitalise on export market success] followed by the ute then the wagon.

However having said that there are now plans to bring back the crewman when the new VF is relased in 2010
Bret

Devil666 Says “There’s a Holden v6 model that does 10 (l/100km)”.
Yeah exactly which one??
Comega barely betters 11, everything else sucks more.
devil666

Well Brett with one T, first of all its a pretty round off the top of my head type figure. U wanna niggle over semantics go right ahead

Secondly I can get my VE Calais V8 to average 12.8L/100km with Sydney driving, and the hire Omega we got in QLD managed a paltry 9.2 for the entire trip.

And I love to drive hire cars. I love to flog the shit out of them.

Needless, try driving these cars insted of looking at window stickers and averages. Sure Holdens do suck more on average than most brands but hey, for RWD + 50:50 balance plus a gnarly V8 supercar design, european handling; Toyota and FWD co. can stick it up their respective sideways arseholes.
Bret

Devil666,
Correct on the one “T”. Theres another around thats “TT”.

A bit heavy on the advertising cliches, but I agree with your broader sentiments – just commenting on Holdens crap V6 engines (and economy overall).

Just imagine how much money on fuel you would have saved if you hired a Falcon, and how much better the trip would have been overall, instead of settling for the commy. But at least you didn’t go for the Camry!!!
TP

Aurion beats then both for power and efficiency.
Watto_Cobra

Aurion has power and efficiency over the Falcon “just barely”. For gobs of torque tho, it gets a caning.
Watto_Cobra

By “just barely” that’s literally 2-5Kw and 0.2L/100km. Torque on the other hand, Falcon has 391Nm and Aurion has somewhere around 340. Can’t remember because Toyota conveniently forget to mention torque in their ubiquitous ads.
Bret

Watto,
Falcon 391 Nm @ 3250rpm
Aurion 336 Nm @ a high 4750rpm. Not everyday driving is it?
joober

Well your comparing a 3.5ltr engine to a 4.0ltr engine, thats a 15% displacement advantage. Just as quick calculation 340nm x 1 and 15% = 391nm…, thats just not taking account anything though..

Also take account the loss of power/torque in a FWD vs RWD.

Also its not everyday driving that you need the full torque is it..?
Bret

It IS everyday driving that benefits from having usable torque.

Can you imagine revving your Aurion to almost 5000 rpm so that you can tow your 6×4 loaded with bark chips (not that an Aurion can tow SFA anyway)
Conversly you can tow a 2 tonne caravan with a Falcon and never need to go over 3000 rpm.

And an on topic comment: the HSV Tourer might just be a fair tow vehicle too!
joober

Really is it everyday to TOW something is it? Falcon holds the cards in that regards, but for the A to B just carry a passenger or so, Whatever Nm is at 3250, the aurion is fine, personal experience, accelerating normally (decent rate on par with all the cars) from start to 80 or a 100 i never pass 3500 ever and maintaining speeds even on inclination never over over 3000.

And flooring it youd obviosuly not going to be confined to 3250 rev range especially on a 6speeder, its the high end that takes the cake.
Bret

No I didn’t say it was everyday that you tow something. I said torque rather than power is what benefits everyday driving. Towing is just further proof.

And I would imagine having to rev up to 3000 rpm just to keep up with traffic flow is a clear indication of Aurion’s defficiencies.
Yes you are correct, revving out beyond 3500 gets things moving quickly – the Falcon max power is at 6000rpm and has the BEST 6 speed auto in the bisiness.
Not forgetting that the Falcon has less drivetrain loss than Aurion because of its superior transmission. FWD/RWD loss differneces are mostly BS.
FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FORD SUCKS!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!! FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FORD SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah why dont ford make a COOL wagon like HSV? Is it because they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????
Andrew M

*places hand up*
i tow every day

Bret is right.
its a matter of the effortless acceleration that makes the big difference.
3200 odd and 4800 odd is where the max torque is for each, but at the 1800 mark (cruising pace) there is also a massive difference.

i still have one question that the aurion buffs havent been able to answer. Jobber perhaps you can……….

you guys love to peddle the “falcons got .5L more displacement” line so when you level it out they are the same.
so what happens when you add 15% fuel econony to the aurions figure bringing it to 11.5L/100k, and then add another 15% to bring it into line with the apparently inefficient RWD drive line that the falcon is running, bringing the aurion to 13.2L/100k.

isnt boh sides of the argument better?
i mean you only want to add your 15% or what ever to the part that makes the aurion look better but forget that with displacement increase comes more than the rosey stuff

gee I’d hate to see a 4.0L RWD Aurion.

when you look at it like that, 10L from the falcon is great for what you get
Andrew M

this guy above just proves Watto’s point in there are tools from each side that embarrass thr true supporters

for toyota though i suppose none exsist because they are like that and find each others attitudes acceptable
Andrew M

oh,
and the HSV wagon really needs the GTS tail lights IMO.

the CGI topped it off perfectly when it had them
TOYOTA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

TOYOTA SUCKS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOYOTA SUCKS!!!!!!!! TOYOTA SUCKS!!!!!!! TOYOTA SSSUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Toyota………………SUCKS!!!!
TP

Hahaha.

1. Watto the difference is 10kw not 2kw.
2. Aurions torque is just as useable, it has 90% at around 2000RPM. As someone calculated very well, displacement helps torque alot, for the engine its good. Add to this torque is pulling power, Aurion is 200kg lighter, it doesnt need as much torque in the first place!!
3. AndrewM fuel argument is drivel, its like saying a V12 is crap because it consumes more fuel but has more power. If the Aurion had that dispalcement PERHAPS it would consume more but it would have 390Nm of torque AND 235kw!!! Going off this 15% rule of course
Dingo

Look this a big time first, but I’ll have to admit that Ford and Holden are better companies than TOYOTA.
Duck

TP, the new falcon has 5kW difference between the Aurion not 10kW! Your’e thinking of the old falcon. The BF!
Andrew M

TP,
no its not,
its showing the whole picture.
if you want to add 15% to power and torque etc, why dont you brag about the adjusted fuel economy?

even if you add your extra for displacement, the torque still falls short.
only in that case its the “power” figure that excells. you know, the figure that simple people think explains the true grunt of a vehicle……….
Watto_Cobra

Where did you get 10kw TP?
FG is 195kw on 91RON and 198kw on 95RON.

I used the 198kw figure because I always use 95RON in cars and dirt bikes and 91RON in the mower, pump, etc. And don’t forget, it’s the last truly Aussie designed, engineered and built engine left. 2010 will mark the end of real Australian angines.

And yes Bret, I’d bet the Tourer would be quite a tower too.
Watto_Cobra

Some great points there Andrew.M, when you factor the increased displacement vs. power, torque, weight, fuel economy, etc.
Duck

Dingo Says:
June 19th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

“Look this a big time first, but I’ll have to admit that Ford and Holden are better companies than TOYOTA.”

It was me that said that. I thought you guys would have said something to the comment. Oh well, i wish Dingo said that anyway.
Andrew M

Duck you little rat bag,

come here and let me ull your ear.

stop being so rebelious
Duck

^I meant I wish Dingo really said what i posted in his name.
Duck

^Why are you affended Andrew M? Because I used Dingo’s name as a joke to see how you people responded?

I thought you guys would do/say something like……………”Ha Dingo see that wasnt hard!” or “You finally admited Dingo!” Because we all know Dingo would have not said that. It would be good if he said that, that’s all!
Watto_Cobra

Duck, I’m sure Andrew.M was joking too.

Of course I knew it wasn’t Dingo so I didn’t respond.
Golfschwein

Duck, it’s awful when you come on here and have sophisticated little jokes that nobody notices or enjoys. Trust me, I know!

(And I did have a little chuckle, by the way)
No Name

Oouch!!! using another persons name. Aaaarrgh!
victory

finally a hot looking wagon made in aus. big fan of the euro-ness.
Watto_Cobra

Don’t worry Golfschwein and Noname, I get all your little jokes and appreciate them.

But Noname there shouldn’t be a “u” in oooch. haha.