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Subaru Forester vs Nissan Dualis Comparison Review

By Karl Peskett |

2008 Subaru Forester vs Nissan Dualis Comparison Review & Road Test

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Models tested: Subaru Forester X Auto & Nissan Dualis ST CVT

Recommended Retail Price: Forester – $32,490; Dualis – $30,990

Options fitted: None

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- Review and photographs by Karl Peskett.

There was a line in the sitcom “Friends” once which I’ll always remember. One of the girls was complaining about how they looked in photos. She mentioned the age old adage about the camera “adding five pounds.” Ross turned to her and asked: “So, how many cameras did you have on you?”

 

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These two cars are the opposite of someone who’s conscious about their weight. Photos make these cars seem smaller than they actually are. It’s quite deceptive until you look at one in real life, and realise that they actually have a decent amount of room in them. And that’s the appeal. They’re roomy, easy to drive, and you sit higher in them, meaning more forward visibility.

 

 

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Soft-roaders have really boomed in the past few years, and Subaru claims it started the revolution with the original Forester. So what better to do than to line up the original with a newcomer.

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The Dualis was introduced as an entry-level SUV, slotting in underneath the X-Trail, which is both bigger and heavier. Using a similar All-Mode on-demand 4WD system, the Dualis will tackle very light duty off-road work if necessary.

 

 

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Both the Forester and Dualis are similarly priced and looking at the specs, people would have both on their shopping list, if this was the market they were going for. So, which one to buy?

 

 

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Let’s start with the looks. Of course, it’s subjective, but the Forester looks a little classier, with the chrome surround on the grille, and a little nicer detailing in the creaselines around the wheel-arches. The Dualis counters with a shaped rear which is more stylish, but which also compromises rear headroom.

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Taking a peek inside the cars, and it’s obvious the Dualis has it.

 

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The finish of the interior is nicer, as are the plastics with soft-touch surrounds in the centre stack, and door handles. The instrumentation is also a little less fussy, and although the Dualis misses out on wheel-mounted stereo controls (which the Forester gets), the stereo is easy to use, not to far away and uncluttered.

 

 

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But the seats in the Dualis are a little strange. Initially seeming more cosseting and supportive than the Forester, the bolstering is a little too narrow, and the backrest dips away too low, meaning you end up with a slight hunch.

 

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The Forester’s seats are flatter, and a tad harder, but allow a little more freedom, and don’t feel like they’ve been designed for size 2 women. They’re also a heap more comfortable on long trips.

 

 

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The rear seats are similar in both cars, but the Forester’s space means that it’s a clear winner in terms of passenger comfort.

 

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The boot space is also larger in the Forester with a higher roofline contributing, as well as a slightly wider opening. So the Forester wins in the practicality department.

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On the road the dynamic gap isn’t so large. Both cars have very good handling for their size, and slap understeer in the face quite well.

 

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There’s a little bit of roll, but the ride in both is on the firmer side, showing their off-road aspirations. In truth it’s more than acceptable, and apart from the odd bit of bump thump, there’s little to complain about. Body control could be better on both though, with rebound damping a little soft. Let’s call it even.

 

 

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Wielding the cars about reveals more about the feel. The steering in the Forester is light, yet communicates pretty well. There’s no slack around the straight-ahead and parking it is a breeze. The Dualis however is inconsistent in weight, but heavier and feels meatier. It has complete dead zone a degree or two off centre, meaning absolutely nothing, and then all of a sudden, you get response. Strange. It’s also much like a Renault in feel, being very light at parking speeds, but then a lot heavier once your speed rises, but true feedback has disappeared.

 

 

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Braking goes to the Dualis though. There’s plenty of initial grab, but it’s not overdone, and the feel is excellent. It keeps strong even after several hard stops, and never fails to satisfy. The Forester’s brakes are typical of the older generation. They work fine, but feel like they could do with a little more bite. Still, on road or off you know exactly what stopping distance to take.

 

 

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Sitting in the driver’s seat, you’ll also notice that visibility is shocking in the rear three quarter view of the Dualis. A tiny triangular window is your only view, potentially blocking cars and motorbikes. The slanting roof contributes to this, and it might be a design feature, but it’s potentially dangerous. The Forester however, has brilliant visibilty all round, with a light and airy cabin, and a reasonably tall daylight opening.

 

 

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NVH levels are very good in both cars, too. The Dualis with its CVT auto calls on a little engine noise while accelerating, but cruising is quiet and refined. The Forester also shifts from gear to gear creamily with just a four-speed auto, but on full throttle, the engine makes its presence felt. Thankfully both motors are smooth and linear in power. But the Dualis does pip the Forester in fuel economy, something which some buyers will take into consideration.

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But it’s off-road where the greatest difference is felt. Sure, some would argue that there’s no point taking these things into the sand, because these cars will never go there. I disagree, as on the beach there are a lot of these kinds of cars. After all, why build something with ground clearance if you never take it over ground to clear?

 

 

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The biggest setback for the Nissan was the CVT. Because it takes ages to wind up, the revs never get high enough to spin the wheels speedily through the sand. But because it’s light, it does get across it. In the locked 4WD mode it’s fine for gravel, dirt and reasonable compacted sand, but don’t go into anything too hungry or you’ll get stuck.

 

 

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The Forester however uses its 220mm of clearance to get through just about everything. The nice, slightly rear-biased setup of its all-wheel-drive system simply grips and goes. Two things hurt the Forester X though; a lack of grunt and the automatic transmission. The XT version would fare better, as it has the power and torque to really get speed up.

But once you do in the X auto and it slips into second gear, as the ratios are lightyears apart for off-roading, it loses all of its momentum. Perhaps the manual with a dual-range tranny would be more suited to this sort of work.

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Still, we’re talking about climbing huge slippery slopes here, and not just small dunes. For what it is the Forester is outstanding, and where it goes for the price is amazing. It’s just a pity that Subaru couldn’t supply a manual version.

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But it does help us to compare these two cars more equally. And when it’s all said and done, the Forester is the better car. The ability off-road, its room, visibility, and the fact you get 6 airbags instead of 2 as standard swayed our decision here.

In isolation the Dualis isn’t a bad car at all. But when compared with the Forester, it’s found a little wanting.

Safety, comfort and practicality have nudged their way through, to become the champion defenders of the Forester’s, ahem, legacy.

Subaru Forester X Auto Specifications:

  • Engine: 2.5-litre SOHC four cylinder petrol 16 valve
  • Power: 126kW @ 6,000rpm
  • Torque: 229Nm @ 4,000rpm
  • 0-100km/h: 11.0 seconds
  • NCAP rating: 5 stars (Australia)
  • Safety: ABS, EBD, TCS, Dual Front, Side and Curtain (Front and rear) Air Bags
  • Fuel Tank: 60 litres
  • Fuel Type: 91RON Unleaded
  • Fuel Consumption: 9.6 litres (Auto)
  • Weight: 1,490 (Auto)

Nissan Dualis ST CVT Specifications:

  • Engine: 2.0-litre DOHC four cylinder petrol 16 valve
  • Power: 102kW @ 6,000rpm
  • Torque: 198Nm @ 4,000rpm
  • 0-100km/h: N/A
  • NCAP rating: N/A
  • Safety: ABS, EBD, Dual Front Air Bags
  • Fuel Tank: 65 litres
  • Fuel Type: 91RON Unleaded
  • Fuel Consumption: 8.5 litres (Auto)
  • Weight: 1,451 (Auto)

Subaru Forester Diesel confirmed


 
  • Myke

    I think it was Chandler who said “So how many cameras are actually on you” not Ross.

  • o

    in my opinion the dualis wins mainky beacuse of the fact that teh glovebx area is not a war zone and it soent have ugly soor handles at that price i would rather a top spec impreza which looks way better

    • chlo

      learn how to spell!!!!!

  • Duck

    Forester all the way! Dualis SUCKS compared to the forester :D

  • Martin

    Myke, you are correct, it was Chandler.

    I don’t think this was really a fair comparo. The Forester is better compared to the X-trail.

    I would however like to see the Dualis compared with the Dodge Caliber.

  • EscortGhia

    dam the Subaru kill the Nissan in the looks department

  • http://realcars realcars

    Subaru has thankfully improved the looks of the Forester in this model. Those big boxer fours are thirsty though for what they are.

  • http://www.AutoPartsFair.com KENZO

    Excellent comparision review is given.Nice informative article.

  • No Name

    Yep agree with Kenzo – Good stuff. However the Dualis IMO is not a direct competitor for the Forrester. The Subie has a well known history of good off road capability, the Dualis howver is nissans modern entrepretation of a family saloon that happens to have 4wd as a benefit. 2wd versions are available in some countries.

    seems small autos or not the best for proper off-roading, stick to a real car with gears.

  • trackdaze

    Top marks for taking them off road.

    I’ll be waiting for the turbo diesel forester. It can’t come soon enough. The proviso is if Subaru don’t keep the dual range transfer case then i’ll go elsewhere.

  • Captain Mainwaring

    O. Have another look at your post. Your spelling and grammar is certainly not getting any better. Have you been goofing off school?

  • Reckless1

    See the Tiguan article – leaves both of these for dead. Yes, more money, but you can spend an extra 10 on the Forester to get the flasher models.

  • Troy

    Its a shame that in the market that the Subaru Forester goes up against the Nissan X-Trail and not the Dualis…People need to get the right cars before they do reviews

  • Jax

    “The Forester also shifts from gear to gear creamily…”
    Sounds Delicious…

    I am partial to the Forrester since Im already a Subie owner. But from the pics, the Dash in the Dualis is heaps better than the Forrester.

  • Spitfire

    Why anyone would buy the Dualis instead of the Forester is beyond me.

  • http://caradvice.com.au OSU811

    The forester is a much better car by miles!!
    but I agree the correct comparison is with the x-trail
    ,but I still think the forester would win, with its better safety/refinement and better awd system and higher ground clearence for off road use..

  • Subie fan 4m Perth

    This is rediculeous! How can you compare these two cars. Its pretty obvious,from engine size to price everything is way different on them. Forester should be compared with CRV or X-trail!!

  • weirluo

    I have to agree with “Subie fan 4m Perth”. this review is wrong right from the start. I have ever owned three subaru cars, two foresters and one liberty. I have never even thought of … what was the car’s name again ? -oh, “Dualis”, never heard about it. “Forester should be compared with CRV or X-trail!!”, and its better than CRV or X-trail, in my view.

  • milbob

    yea, I think to compare these two cars is a little off. Not to mention the base dualis is cheaper so when you upgrade to add more airbags, you can’t really say that safety was the main reason.

    The Tuscon might be a better comparison don’t you think? Though we all know the winner…

  • Duck

    Though id take the Subaru over the Nissan the Dualis has the better looking interior specially the seats (and dash) but there looks like there is more rear leg room in the forester too (as says so in article).

  • Duck

    …………………….Subaru Forester!

    (That answers the rest of Milbob’s sentence).

  • Duck

    There is also more useable boot space in the Subby! The Subby is the overall winner in my opinion! Boot space is very important, when it comes to buying a car! (To me).

  • Fenno

    “Soft-roaders have really boomed in the past few years, and Subaru claims it started the revolution with the original Forester.”

    No I am not TP, but Subaru was three years behind the Rav4 in the soft roader segment. I would never consider the Leone a soft roader…

  • Glen

    yeah the forester is not in the same class as the dualis, the dualis should be compared with the sx4 4×4 as they are both “hatches” crossed with and suv. and the forester… well it looks a lot better than the previous wagon looking things :)

  • Duck

    ^But do you know the size difference between the Dualis to the SX4? Big difference!

  • John

    I have the new Forester X. In white, haha.
    It’s a good car, not terribly quick, but safe, roomy, comfy, and looks kinda cool.

    They’re right, the power from the auto isn’t really impressive. But the semi-auto does help, makes it a bit more fun. I havent taken mine off road yet, Im not the off-roading type.

    Yeah, Forester all the way. The Dualis is hideous!

  • John

    Oh, anyone looking at buying one of these, gimme a yell, I had the first registered Forester X in W.A :D Ive had it for…I think 2 months? Maybe more, I forget.

  • Murray

    I don\’t think I\’d buy either. Was a Subaru enthusiast for 20 yrs, but my current MYO6 Forester has turned me off. The throttle on the manual car had a mind of its own and the dealers/Subaru Aust\’s solution was to swap the car for an auto; which drops down a gear or 2 at the slightest rise. The suspension is too firm and the seats uncomfortable after the first hour.
    We travel outback quite a bit. Can\’t someone build a good medium size wagon with low range, manual trans. and preferably a diesel?

  • Simon

    I think it is a suitable comparision given that for the same equipment the cars cost the same. What makes it unfair is that the Dualis is overpriced in comparison. If you compare it to the SX4 it costs about 5k more for the same equipment – so all you get is a little extra size. I like the Dualis but to be at all competetive it needs to have the airbags, esp etc. on the base model – then it slots in between the Forester and SX4 where it belongs.

  • Lindsay

    Was all set to buy a New Forester which was only just ahead of my second preference an X-TRAIL . Had test drives of both back to back and was sold on the smoothness of the CVT in the Nissan. I actually prefer the new shape of the Forester but the interior trim ,dash and 4 speed auto is a bit disapointing.

  • ChrisJ

    Test drove the Forrester X today and must say I was a little disappointed with the drive. The manual gearbox wasn’t very good, the gears changes were notchy. Also, the engine felt unrefined and rough, and pretty gutless all up. Is this normal on these cars, or just the one we drove?

    The car handled well, and the ride was nice and non SUV like.

    Looking at the manual Forrie, Outlander VR and manual Diesel X-Trail. Based on the test drives we’ve had of all the three cars, the X-Trail is probably the best.

    Cheers,

    Chris.

  • http://morganfarrawayhotmail.com morgan

    My partner and I own a Dualis Ti and test drove both Forrester and Dualis, While looking for our car. We found that the Forrester was clunky and heavy to drive,not to mention it’s soccor mum look. Where as the Dualis handles like a sporty hatch back and recently went on a trip to country NSW ( 7 hours each way) and paid $65 for petrol all up. We were really impressed. We love our car

  • Scott

    I bought a Forester XT Manual in May 08, have owned about 12 Subbies over the years. Not as impressed with this one as i was hopong, although probably still the best choice in it’s class. I agree with Murray that the throttle (cableless) has a mind of it’s own, i recon it’s tuned for the auto model, seemes to be a delay when you let your foot off the throttle. Hill holder pisses me off, they have changed it to release after about 2 seconds instead of release from brake pedal, easy to stall when you stop for less than 2 seconds on any slight hill. Tyres are shit in the wet. Lots of road noise (turn the good stereo up), Seat belt warning alarm would drive people that open gates to get to there property mad, cant put weight on passengers seat without alarm going off (It’s like a Volvo)No low range in turbo version a pitty. Fuel economy close to 11.9 Litre per 100 average over 8 months.

  • Roger

    Took the Forester for a test drive in hope that all the reviews got it right and they had come a long way from the previous model. Nope still cheap and nasty!!!
    Took the dualis for a test drive … fit and finish shits over the forester shame it dosnt have more power.

  • Ratheesh Kumar

    My partner and I own a Dualis ST and test drove both Forrester and Dualis, While looking for our car. We found that the Forrester was too noisy and heavy to drive,and we didnt like its rough look. Where as the Dualis handles like a sporty hatch back ,easy to handle in this class of cars,economic 8 l/100 Km,excellent road view,Good looking interior. We were really impressed. We both love our car.In ur comparison u havent compared Ti Model with forester.Ti is even far better than St dualis.

  • Bill

    ;)

    The dualis is fantastic; but then again I like economy; full 4×4 and the Dualis has auto gears also with select a gear option; and twin parking cameras as standard; and bluetooth as standared (here in Japan) and full StaNav and it has a full sunroof and the family love it.

    The Japanese elastic band gearbox got taking used to; due to UK being almost all gearshift. But it’s fine when you are used to it.

    The only thing I would change is putting sliding rear doors on it as this car is going to be sold to a lot of families with children.

    If I buy another car it will be the 7-seat version with 2Litre Diesel (or hybrid if it ever happens).

    Sliding rear doors would do for now. Who designed supermarket parking spaces?

  • alex

    I have just bought a Nissan Dualis Ti. It is a fantastic family car. It is very nice to drive with its silent and smooth engine. Interior is nice looking. Its looks is for younger buyers. It’s a practical and efficient car!

  • John

    I recently bought a Nissan Dualis St 2wd after researchiong alot of cars and it was the best for my needs. The CVT is seamless in its gear changes and the engine is really quite. The ride height is good and the forward visibilty great, even look down at the New Suburau when driving. Around town 2wd with traction control is all that is needed. The AWD (lock) only works between 0-40kph so its a psuedo Low range otpion. The only thing I would change is that little triangle shaped window at the back as it could be larger to provide more visibilty, at present it creates a blind spot. Nissan says to use 91 octane fuel but I am getting better fuel economy around town with 95 octane fuel, the difference being an extra 150km per tank.

  • fishman

    Yeah, I’ve had the Dualis for over a year now, and can’t say anything but good things – sweet & refined engine, good fuel economy, very quiet cabin, excellent 6-speed gearbox, and build quality is spot on.

    This review misses the point – the Dualis doesn’t aim to compete with the Forester, it’s aimed to compete again compact hatches like the focus, golf etc. Hence the 2WD option.

    For anyone who’s after a frugal compact wagon this is well worth a look

  • farthernorth

    id take the suby driven both and dont fit in dualis although its called the rogue in Canada and the awd system cant handle as well as the symetrical awd system only tested in a foot of snow and cvt with the nissan is unrefined and has no gears and we dont nearly have as much sand the cvt in the latest gen in the legacy/liberty and outback should be put in the forester and impreza for better fuel economy although canadians only get the 2.5i and turbos and the H6

  • Raulito

    New Dualis II will beat forester in all components. It seems, Nissan did a great job to improve this model. Forester even looks like a box, very dull design.

  • sarah kenworthy

    if you know anything ;you would know Subaru have gone to the dogs; they are not far from a KIA,ugly as. Get a nissan

  • Kinger

    The cheaper little Subarus just have too much of a ‘blobby mum’ or ‘bogan old growth forest logger’ image uggh.