2008 FPV Range First Steer
15 May, 2008
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The fat torque curve can be worked really well in almost any gear, we only drove automatic models of all the cars on the launch drive as the manual versions seemed to be in short supply.
It’s a similar but different story in the F6, all high-tech turbo whoosh and simply staggering acceleration.
While the V8 feels meaty and as we’ve already said the performance is much more lively than the XR8, in the F6 that 310kW of power is just something to behold.
FPV says it has made the V8 cars less nose heavy in their feel and while that may be true to a certain extent the car still dives on the nose, when pushed hard in a corner.
Not so the F6 which is lively and much more responsive, the downside here is that the chassis, and I feel more particularly the tyres, struggle to keep up with the power. The result is a DSC system that’s almost permanently in operation if you are cornering really hard.
Yes you can turn it off, but for most drivers I would suggest that action is at your own peril, unless you are on a race track where there’s the opportunity to recover the car.
While we only got to drive the cars equipped with the superb ZF six-speed automatic sport-shift transmission we weren’t really complaining as this gearbox is a delight and entirely up to the job in the new FPV’s.
It certainly has to be said that some of the poise of the sedans goes out the window with the utes, they jolt and jump around a lot more, but then you do have that big empty space behind you.
Another downside of that space was an amplification of the road noise, particularly tyre noise, which all the FPV range seemed to suffer from, even when running on very smooth tarmac.
Talking to some FPV executives they admitted that tyre noise was an increasing problem, especially as the cars were made quieter, and one even suggested there may be a case for lowering the speed limter from the current 250km/h so that lower speed rating tyres, which would produce less road noise, could be fitted to the cars.
Everything considered we’d have to say that FPV has taken an excellent car in the FG Falcon and turned it into an excellent high-performance sports sedan.
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May 15th, 2008 at 2:37 am
I’m Gobsmacked. Decent motors admittedly but 240k’s. Ha Ha. Really whats the point. Reducing the top speed further to put lesser tyres on to reduce road noise is “prity” pathetic really. No not for me, if its noisy its too tiring to drive long distance, i’ll stick with the Luxo version thanks. Not that we’ll ever have it here. pity i’d love to see one.
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May 15th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Uhhh no performance numbers? A few errors (Rob Barret, 5.7 V8). Not too bad but I was left wanting for more information. You can do alot better guys.
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May 15th, 2008 at 7:34 am
What is the point of restricting speed to 250km/h when we aren’t aloud to surpass 110km/h? By that rationale why not make it 300 and add to the desirability and appeal of the car. 300km/h is just plain s#xy! (f*cking censor FIX IT!)
It’s a shame about the tyres, this could well mean that VE HSV will outcorner them- despite the FG’s arguably superior basic setup.
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May 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
I wanted to know if the F6 is a 12 second car.
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:01 am
POisonEagle, in the risk of starting a debate, if we are only allowed to go 110km/h, why aren’t our cars limited to 120km/h (10km/h over for overtaking)? Though i see your point, FPV may get better ‘cred’ if they have there top speed as high as possible on the figures.
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:09 am
FPV doesn’t provide performance numbers and driving seven different cars in one day means it’s pretty near impossible for us to do our own.
We will provide you with the real numbers when we give these cars a fuller test in the near future.
BTW there’s nothing wrong with the tyres as such, just the amount of power the 310 in particular has to lay down means that it probably should have even bigger rubber. The noise issue is something different, fit ZR rated tyres to meet the speed limits of the car and you are going to have a pretty aggresive tyre, which means more noise. The suggestion was just that lowering the speed limit would allow a more compliant tyre and after all you can’t go over 110km/h legally in this country. It would stop the car still having the ballistic acceleration!
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:10 am
its good to hear that the gt is better then xr8 which everyone says is a little slow. wish there was some performance times
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:17 am
But on road tyres, they shouldn’t allow for 250km/h because it is illegal, therefore they might as well go the whole hog and get the triple ton bragging rights. Also, as redemption, I expect 22’s, more flared-out arches and 300 series rear-rubber on the update; to do these cars some justice (not to be a riceboy, for the sake of proportion, one upmanship and the chassis). Just to make up for carrying over the rubber but that doesn’t stop me from lusting. That F6 truly looks like nothing else! Plenty more rear view-mirorr menace than Hyundai-esque HSV front end. Plenty of export potential there methinks.
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:24 am
PoisonEagle:
Have you heard of a race track?
They are a tarred section of private road where cars can go really really fast! That’s why they’re speed limited to 250km/h and not 110km/h.
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:08 am
G6ET would be faster
then the GTE 20K cheaper,
its a
no brainer
how good is the value of the G6ET
Go FORD
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:15 am
Haven’t read the article yet but on Toms question that would be a yes. The XR6T with Wheels steering it are doing a 13.4 .So its just a question of how low in the 12s I would say Tom.
How many Ks did the cars have on them I would like to know? Ill read the article later,will have more to say then I imagine.
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:29 am
As I said before, These new FPV cars are truley the cat among the pigeons. HSV has nothing to compare with them. Especially the turbo 6. The Drive comparison describes the new turbo 6 FG as the new bench mark in performance cars in Australia, so what wil the new FPV F6 be. Holden has assumed that you put big tyres, flared guards, and heeps of cubes and you’ve got a winner. Wrong.
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I would love to have a GT-E
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:58 am
I was sure months ago that the F6 was for me. After reading so much about XR6Turbo, going to see/sit in the XR6 and G6, I’m sure
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May 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am
I would love to have a Clubsport R8
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May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
I guess that answered my question in the email I just sent you Watto……welcome back babe. We missed you!!
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May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Thanks BM, just read your mail. Yep, been out of the loop a bit. Very happy with how the FG is shaping up.
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May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I know how these press days are (from experience) and having a PR-nanny sitting with you in the car restricts you to the odd short squirt. I think the Car advice boys have done well bringing such a comprehensive article online after only driving the vehicles yesterday. Like the others though, I am keen to see how they stack up against the HSV’s. Ford have been on the back-foot for years now, so this new model should give them a fighting chance.
I have always likened the animosity between HSV and FPV in the same way as people compare Sydney and Melbourne (each with their pro’s and con’s).
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May 15th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
GT-E from the front looks hot, GT looks like a toy with all of those stripes, but what a cool range of cars
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May 15th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Have they increased the size of the bonnet bulge in the FPV models cause it look larger than the XR8’s.
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May 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Why, yes Benjie I have heard of a racetrack- have you heard of a patronising twat?
For the racetrack Semi-slick rubber should be optional.
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May 15th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
hey guys!
Im going to sound like a whinger, but the ‘e’ badge on the doors of the GT e is dissapointing.
Im still on the fence about this car, i dont think FPv has done enough to the range, they have short cut like no new rim design and stuff like that, makes a special car feel not so special!
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May 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
whats the go with the circle hole in gt grill. must be for something
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May 15th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Bob, It’s to allow attachment of the front tow hook
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May 15th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Look people, give credit where its due..
FPV have done a descent job on the upgrades, lets just wait and see how they perform, then have your opinion!!
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May 15th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
I’m sure the caradvice team could feel by the seat of their pants if this is a 12 second car or not.
Remember, the “270kw” SS Commodore’s have run the same quarter mile times as the “307kw” HSV’s. So there is no real reason to believe much otherwise here.
I’d still be interested to know.
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May 15th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
I thought FPV would do new wheel designs for such an important new model release. It shows the limited budget they must have had. The insert in the front 1/4 panel to fill in the hole left by the side indicator shows this as well.
XT Falcon also has carry over wheel trims…
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Drive got 5.3 0-100km for F6, it will be good for another .5 of a second though so its atleast 4.8 0-100km.
Who really gives a toss about tyre noise its grip that counts. Also the NT has 130km/hr speed limits (not long ago twas unlimited.
Pfffft clubsport.
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May 15th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
The funny thing is that HSV are going to put a 7 litre V8 in a $ 168,000 Commodore and it wont be as quick as a $68,000 4 liter F6 !! I will wave to them as I pass them by in my beautiful FPV F6……… and might I add that for the psice of a chip upgrade it will make their 7 litre V8 look stupid !! How long before an 8 litre?? what a joke !!!
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Pablo……so what if the xt has carry over wheel trims? every car company has a budget. Unlike Holden they spent the money making the FG a much better car than the VE in all of the important areas such as handling, effortless performance, fuel economy, driveability, new auto, new front suspension, new body, new steering, classy looking and well finished interior etc…… Holden carried over the 4 speed clunker auto and the rattle tek v6……….and the poor quality interior plastics ……..seriously who would buy a Berlina instead of an XT ?
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
^Me! So would other people!
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
Roddy…..Go get a Clubsport and the after driving it for a few weeks go and have a test drive of an F6……..then you will know what a a piece of junk the Clubby is…….
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May 15th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
to add to that, they have strengthened the the pistons and rods, so the week point will the the small turbo, so if you are looking for large hp, ditch the small turbo and pop in a larger one.
sure it wont drive as flat as the stock but will make mass power.
this will be a tuners dream car.
might even give that twin turbo gts a run for its money.
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Nik, A real tuner would probably replace the pistons and conrods in any car anyways lol,
Seriously the numbers and features of this car is a winner for the few years ahead.
As long Ford know how to market this properly this should rack up a good sales figure and bring some light to Ford.
With the outlook on fuel prices etc its going to be a uphill battle.
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Sounding a wee bit defensive there F6 310 ??
I’d rather a Clubbie any day of the week over this racoon-faced eyesore no matter how it goes.
enjoy
*grin*
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May 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Roddy, u would choose a new car by looks rather than driving dynamics?
Something i have noticed, Holden fans normally pay out the falcon, but Ford enthusiasts just say the Falcon is better than the commodore, not that the commodore is crap. Both are good cars, but overall, from what I’ve read, the Falcon is the best overall car.
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May 15th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I am a true car enthusiast and was a commodore driver for many years as Ford had nothing that got me excited enough to even give them more than a cursory glance, then they released the BA XR6 Turbo in 2002. I took an XR6 for a test drive, then an XR6T, followed by a Holden VY SS. The end result is I’ve been driving turbo charged Fords ever since and currently drive a 6 speed auto BF F6.
If you take the time to do this comparison as I have done with an open mind to choosing the best car, you too will be ordering a new Falcon or FPV.
It’s had to explain to someone just how much better the Ford product is as a daily driver. Sure the Holdens’ may be faster around a race track but seriously how many of you drive your car that fast all the time.
Give credit where it’s due and right now it belongs to the Blue Oval, well done guys, I’m looking forward to checking out the new FG F6 on a test drive asap.
Big AL
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May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
Hey F6 310, out of the reported $600 - $700M Ford spent on the FG, the cost of redesigning the wheel trims would have added bugger all to the total budget. They just made the decision not to change the wheel trims to keep the XT as the fleet focused car - same thinking with the wagon.
Gotta agree with you though on the Berlina Vs XT arguement. I had 3 options for my company car due for replacement this month - BFII SR (4 spd), VE 60th Anniversary or FG XT. Based on what the FG offers, I went with the XT.
Waiting on a delivery date…
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May 16th, 2008 at 12:00 am
Very succint Big Al. Couldn’t agree more. The I6 was always a great donk, but Ford(Oz)’s work with turbos has made them VERY special. I love the sound of a good V8, but I’m converted to blown I6.
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May 16th, 2008 at 12:40 am
I was on a Ford FG drive day earlier this week and had the opportunity to test drive all of the different models including a couple of hours on the skid pan and I can tell you the FG is a vast improvement over the already fantastic BF.
I’ve never been a big fan of the V8’s (altough I do follow the V8 Supercars), that said I was quite impressed with the dynamics and performance of the FG XR8 auto that I drove.
I was expecting it to be a slow old barge by all the reports that I’ve read, but suprisingly I found it to be very capable driving with verve up a very windy mountain road.
The road surface was a little slippery due to some light showers but the DSC kept the rear from wandering too much when exiting hairpin bends under reasonable acceleration.
Whilst it didn’t have the response or handling ability of my current BF F6 when pushed, it was none the less an enjoyable car to drive and for those who prefer the noise of a V8 over the whistle of a Turbo, you’ll not be disappointed.
BTW Don’t take my word for it, get down to your local Ford dealer and test drive one of these new cars. You’ll soon be singing it’s praises as I am.
Big AL
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May 16th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Last weekend I visited the local dealer. They had an XT, two G6’s and two XR6’s to look at/sit in. Very impressed, even the XT looked good for a fleet hack. Saleslady informed me they are having a drive day this Saturday with an XR6Turbo and XR8 added to the lineup. Can’t wait to try them both out.
I’m already set on F6, but when I drive the XR8, in the back of my mind I’ll be remembering that it takes a good 10,000kms for the Boss V8 to free up and rev .
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May 16th, 2008 at 1:11 am
You’ll not be disappointed I’m sure, even the base model XT is a nice car to drive, if only a little bit too softly sprung for my liking. The G6ET is probably the pick of the bunch for performance value followed by the XR6T if you like a more sporty drive.
Enjoy.
Big AL
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May 16th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Im surprised the GT still dives at the front when cornering hard,doesn’t the whole range now have the R-Spec suspension?
Typical FPV supplying Autos! Where is Matt Brogan and when is he giving us a report on a manual F6?? Hope your all rested up babe beforehand!
Oh and how did the F6 sound full noise.I heard that it sounds better than the GT!
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May 16th, 2008 at 9:37 am
wheels had a manual in one of their cars.
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May 16th, 2008 at 9:40 am
What one?
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May 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am
lmao duck lmfao, go and buy you berlina if you think it’s better, duck is a tool…lol…:)
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May 16th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Duck.are you saying you would rather drive an old clunky 4 speed auto matched to a rough V6 than drive a nice smooth 5 speed auto matched to a lovely smooth grunty I6 ? You are a tool !!!! Isnt Berlina supposed to be a luxury model?
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May 16th, 2008 at 10:59 am
F6 310,
Duck would need a special option to even consider an XT (or any of the FG range) - a big chrome lion badge on the front. He is a tragic die hard holden boy, and lacks objectivity, doesn’t he Richo?
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
i agree bret, i love my fords but atleast i can be objective, duck is such a flog….lmao.
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
f6 310 u better not be ford g series because u brag so much about the new falcon when it gets only four stars i thought it was a world class car? what did the e series get 4 stars u idiot. firstly the bara 5.4 is the worst engine v8 engine in history its tall its heavy it sits to far to forward, it oversteers and understeers under braking and cornering. don’t forget hsv had a 300kw gts with 510nm in 200 (vt series 2). Also the ba gt’s had 5 speed manuals and 4 speeds correct? yes. even the ve ss is quicker than a fg xr8 6.3 0-100 is a absolutwe disgrace 290kw is shit it’s like having a cheap brand with higher specs and it’s still shit. Remeber mate the LS3 STOCK HAS 580NM, obviously driveline restictions was capped at 550 and hsv stated that this will be rectified in series 2. DONT FORGET MATE THE XR6T GETS 5.4 SECS 0-100 NOT 5.1-5.2, drive confirmed that they used high octane fule and guess what mate the f6 typhoon they tested got 5.3 secs 0-100 chechk drive, but the conditions wernt perfect, but i would it expect it to hit 5.0 secs flat at best.
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
senator wheels actually got 6 seconds flat on the xr8 they got 5.2 in the xr6 turbo and 5.1 in the G6E turbo drive stated as well that the F6 was much quicker.
as for the Ls3 Drive could only manage a 5.6 out of the commodore how crap is that for 317 kws only .4 seconds faster than a 290 v8 and point 5 seconds slower than a 270kw turbo six.
and for the record drives drivers suck its a known fact and the boss v8 need to get the k on the engine to really perform another fact
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
My god, look at all these bunch of kids arguing about .2 seconds here and .4 seconds there. Take each car for a test drive, then buy the best car for you!
Figures on paper mean SH1T compared to the real world and if .1 of a second really means that much to any prospective buyers, they would be looking at aftermarket go fast bits anyway.
Faaark, you remind me on the old school yard days… “My daddy’s XY would cream your dads crappy HG!”
I laugh at anyone who calls ANY of these cars sh1t, whether it be a FORD or a HOLDEN, just shows what a brain dead sheep you really are. Truth is they are both awesome locally built cars that are quite similar to each other in all aspects, hence they are fighting for the same real estate.
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May 16th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
seriously escort a ba gt got a time of 6.2 secs by wheels magazine. they bf might of been slightly quicker with a extra 12kw and 20nm. but the engine is identical to a ba gt so 6.3 secs is realistic.
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May 16th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
senior you an idiot if someone has achieved it then its fact something no one has done in the hsv there suppose to be 4,9 second cars and know ones done done it out side hsv plus the new XR8 is lighter than the old GT
and its a know fact that the gt engines loosen up after
10,000 k\’s
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May 16th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Apparently holden a realising the DI Alloytec which has to be used with GM 6L50 gearbox for high output versions. The gearbox is almost identical to the 6L45 version in BMW 3 series and the caddy which is coming to aus which obviously has the DI Alloytec with 227kw and 371NM. Guys will ford bring in the 3.5 or 3.7 duratec. isnt it pretty much confirmed that they will use the 3.5, less power but better economy maybe worth the sacrifice for ford.
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May 16th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
well according to wiki it says 3.5 duratec is confirmed for 2010 ford fg falcon. The duratec would be similiar to the alloytec in terms of power and torque as the stock engine is 198kw and 339nm which is similiar to the sv6 195kw 340nm. Also wiki states that the DI version will have 224kw so i’ll be asuming ford will have a standard and DI versions of the duratec across the range. (xt standard xr6 DI would make sense).
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May 16th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
i dont understand what the bitterness is about if they ran the XR6T on premium, because the GTS which achieved 5.2 sec also ran premium
sounds like a bit of clutching at straws going on here………..
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May 16th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
senator ford have not confirmed witch v6 there using just like they haven’t confirmed witch v8 there using 5.0L DOHC crate motor is the top contender at the moment for the xr8
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:38 am
GoAuto have done a review on the FPV range and they likey very much.
Type the usual www then dot and copy paste this after it:-
goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RT/963B3FEF40346580CA25744A00824C22?OpenDocument
A very good read, but no performance times yet.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Hanging out to see Car Advice’s full review and performance figures on the F6.
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May 17th, 2008 at 4:29 am
Lets all buy a GT, A car we can’t enjoy for 6-12 months, Whilst it loosing up lol It’s really a joke to believe it takes that long.
I’ve never meet a Stock Boss engine that was anything below 5.7 0-100 after any amount of travel.
Truth is i don’t believe in tight engines after 2000km, The factory doesn’t assemble them and in the car out the door, They dyno them to make sure they are ready.
The full Range in looks disappoints me, Then the GT-E doesn’t, It might not be the fast one, But it’s the hot one.
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May 17th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
well roudy the reason the Fpv v8 need a run in is because there hand assembled and built here not some oil guzzling engine from the states ( witch is still a great engine) i would rather a car that has an engine that you cant get any wear in the world than a motor thats used in every hi po GM product thats been detuned.
and the thing i like about the new fpv’s look is that they look tough but expensive unlike the hsv’s witch look tough but cheap fpv’s are a more an Australasian car than Hsv or holden are these days sham it’s going to change after 2010
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May 17th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
This info is from the latest issue of Motor mag. It is a test between the XR8/XR6T and SSV. The test vehicles are 6 speed manuals. The following specs are:
0 - 100
SSV 5.5
XR8 5.9
XR6T 5.2
400m
SSV 13.9
XR8 14.2
XR6T 13.5
80 - 120
SSV 3.7
XR8 4.0
XR6T 3.0
That shows the XR6T too be considerably better everywhere and the difference increases as the speeds rise. The XR6T continues to just blast away.
Now the all important fuel consumption which quite a few were saying the XR6T uses 20 - 30% less fuel than the holden or ford V8. Wrong. I will put in order of best too worst:
XR8 13.4
XR6T 13.8
SSV 14.3
The XR8 has brilliant fuel economy as many have said and the SSV is the worst just like everyone thought. However it is only 1/2 a litre difference between the SSV and XR6T which is not significant. Certainly not 20% that is for sure. Only about 4% at best. The XR8 however is the best on fuel. That sort of shows for this blog the XR8 is certainly not a loser on the road. Yes in performance it is behind but not by huge amounts in the real world and in fuel economy it is the best of all three in a test from an enthusiasts magazine! Winner was XR6T!
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
thats an impressive 80-120 squirt for the xr6t
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
I agree with CHRISGT,who bloody cares about .2 of a second it’s about you personal preference.if you like holdens good if you like fords good be happy with what you like and be done with it, grow up!
senator is a flog like duck….lmao.:-)
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May 17th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
well db9 u dont look at what f6 310 and ford g series comments. every single ford or holden article they act like little kids saying ford is the best holden suck etc.(every comment neagtive towards holden all of it is their opinion no factual content) I don’t see a 5 star rating for the new fg fpv range, ofcourse it got 4 stars just like the ve nothing special. And escort how does the hsv look cheap compared to the fg fpv’s when the hsv’s have a diff front and rear bumber (rear e series style), diff pipes, diff grille, unique e series grile and led taillights. Ford use the same fornt grille simmilar front bumber rear similiar and they use the same pipe/s. atleast the senator is differnt in styling compared to a gts, (diff grille, diff front, rear bumber0 the gt-e looks similar to a gt and f6. why do fpv still have single piston rear brakes? hsv have 4 piston rear standard. yes fpv have brought in 6 piston brakes 10mm smaller than the hsv’s 4 piston front brakes. hsv will most likly bring in a 6 piston but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with the holden brakes when there braking performance is up there with a bmw m5. apparently vf is coming in mid 2009 (would make sense vt 97-00 ve 06-09 always 4 years with new model) according to holden insiders from latest motor mag and also alot of the coupe 60 desin aspects will be applied to the vf like the side fender vents, rear lights, front bumber a slightly bigger grille, and possibly the hood vents on a ss-v model, and also DI alloytec which comes with 6l50 gearbox similar to the bmw 3 series 6l45 gearbox supplied by gm, and v8 cylinder deactivation system, like the g8. ve series 2 will come this july august just like the vt series 2 in july 99. the ls3 with 580nm will be quick!
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May 17th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
senator take a breath when you write space your post out abit becouse it makes you look like your 12 years old.
i never said the hsv’s look crap, i said they look cheap theres a difference( the things that make them look chead are the crappy E vents and the read bumper and all the black high light and i hate the look of the reap but i give hsv kudos for trying and the maloo looks horrible).
but FPV like to spend there money on different things other than bling bling like hsv they spend it on lets say the engines, oh thats right HSV just get crate engines becouse there so greate i hate the TDR borion but at least the engine is only in that model.
and why put a similar front to the coupe 60 the front bumper looks hidius.
i would like the VE if they got rid of the flared gurdes and made the inderia look not so cheap.
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May 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
what i have read from all the test drives & comparo tests is that the FG falcon is a winner, why do you think Holden have been having so much add time in the last few months for there 60th birthday, they are shit scared of this car, & they have even got devices as standard , so the commonwhore owners won’t go to the blue side.
I live in the country & nearly every 4th add is a holden one
Did holdn hold back on some of the 1 billion for a wholesale add slaughter campain, they are running scared?
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Escort I remeber when you said a hsv looks like a omega commodore? correct me if im wrong, how did that come to your mind? A hsv is differnet in every department I can assure you that.
The new fpv shares similar styling to the fg and even has a ancient monochrome screen based on the fg xt and also the same single piston rear brakes, thats what you call cheap mate.The super pursuit looks not bad, I hate the stripes, only two pipes, ford utes are two pieces and the stance is inferior to the maloo and also the lines of the ute.
Your the first person to say the coupe 60 looks hidius in terms of the front bumber, the styling is a work of art even real ford fans liked it, check out the comments, on this very own site mate and ford forums (ford australia etc).
Then again it’s your opinion, but your apart of a small minority of people who don’t like the front end.
If you don’t like the fender vents I wouldn’t be suprised if they use the coupe 60 fender vents in the new VF HSV’S.
This is all based on opinions and obviously your a ford fan and your always anti-holden. Ford will eventually import both their engines (2010) and for the better especially the v8 as drive stated, the xr8 is the weakness in the fg range, and it’s the only v8 model.
You need to correct your grammar mate, before you call me 12.
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
senator,
mate that just sounded like a big cry.
Tissue?
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Mate remeber the au falcon it cost 800 million back in 1998 and if you convert that in today’s money it’s about 1 billion, that car was a failure, infact the ef sold more cars and it was around half the time.
No wonder ford spent another 500 million on the ba facelift twice as much as the vy (by this time holden were working on the new zeta platform). Yes the ba was a great car compared to the ve.
But if you compare the ve to the au, the ve has been a huge success atleast it has won awards (wheels motor etc), been exported to every contienet, and had huge wraps by the americans infact they called it a bmw m5 in almost every department, braking performance engine performance and ride, obvioulsy it’s less than half the price of a bmw and the ve is better value.
The bmw is better overall, a great engineered car. the ve got nominated for world car of the year (lets see if the new fg gets a nomination, hope it does another get engineered australian car). The ve has been averaging 4 stars each review, it’s not perfect but it’s done well.
I would’nt say holden is scared after being the top seller for 12 years straight, infact holden would be scared by the toyota corrola which has sold 500 more cars this year and is the main oppostion to holden and ford. we will see how many new fg falcons ford can sell this year.
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
You might want to check your spelling before having a go at someone for their grammar Senator…
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
andrew why would i be crying when the fpv range got only 4 stars? It’s nothing special or is it? f6 typhoon 5.3 secs, maybe 5.0 in perfect conditions.
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
jbot have you seen escorts spelling, every line atleast one word spelt incorrectly. correct?
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May 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
are they gonna use launch assist for the real o-100 in the xr6t cause that will shave bout .3 of a sec off
n its good that ford relised that the f6, xr6t and g6et are all much more better cars then v8\’s
but i still find it funny how ford runs a 5.4 ltr n gets 315kw n holdens got the 6 ltr at 307 soon to be 317 amazing not
shows how much more fords engines are advanced in overall wise
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Why would the new F6 get 5 - 5.3secs when the XR6T/G6ET are already hitting 5.1 consistently? We’re talking 270kw/533Nm versus 310kw/565Nm here.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Mate drive confirmed the xr6-t was running high octane fuel when it hit 5.1 and 5.2 secs when they used normal fuel it got 5.4 check drive.com.
drive also tested the f6 typhoon and got 5.3 secs, you have consider alot of variables firstly the petrol they used, the temperature outside, the humidity, the suface, bad road etc and ofcourse the driver, also reaction time could also affect the time.
Also i need to mention the standard LS3 produces 321kw and 580nm, obviously hsv like having 7 on their power figures (297, 307, 317). driveline restrictions capped at 550nm because of the 6l80 auto gearbox, need to change to the 6l90 which has a higher torque capacity, hsv confirmed that they will rectify it by ve 2 or vf in 09.
Also bob lutz wanst all gm engines to have DI and the new camaro based on holden’s zeta platform will have a 336kw LS3 DI with maybe around 600nm plus, not sure on the torque figures.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
senator,
so what if the XR6T used premium to place a time of 5.1 sec,
the GTS that placed 5.2 sec also ran premium.
i said it sounds like a cry because it has just been a heap of “well when VF comes” and “when they put the 7L in”
and this cost this much and that cost that much.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Who puts 91RON in a performance car?
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
the cars surpost to be run on premium fuel so who would be dumb to put unleaded in a sports car in the manualls it says to put premo fuel in so stop trying to take the shine of the turbo just becasue its better then the ve r8 aint fords problem
dam holden people always tryin to make thier holdens out to be the best well there not
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
wheels mag is a buyest mag to holden
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
And I was using Wheels time of 5.1 for G6ETurbo. They did it again and again. Same result. Without checking back in that issue I’m sure they only used the Autos that were available.
I’m curious to see what the manual does with launch control. Search for “FG XR6T manual launch control” on Youtube to see launch control in action.
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May 17th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
the lanch controll setups gr8 in the fact there is no buttons to be pushed all u do is clutch 1st gear flat to the floor locks the acceleration at 3500rpm n dump the clutch n bang ur off like a rocket
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
You mean biased. I’m not being picky, but it’s the language we speak and write. If you want to make yourself understood, getting it right is more crucial than you believe.
Now that’s off my chest, have a look at the latest WHEELS issue and tell me they’re biased. They’ve given the FG a great write-up, not to mention gonging BA and Territory with COTY awards.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
hahaha.Wheelnut and I were just discussing this on the phone,you couldn’t run 91 in it!!!!!!!!It would sound like the Statesman did all the time we rented it ping ping ping except that was the parking sensors…….,no seriously I think the knock sensors would have a cardio if you ran that low octane level.whos this Senator guy sounds like I could have some fun here instead of the Prius site playing with BOB..
VE got nominated Senator cause they tried to make a bogans BMW..I once called the VE the heinz car.why cause it has so many other varieties of manufactures in it.Tell me how many patents did Holden have on the VE……Senator admit it the F6 is going to be one hell of a fast car,especially when its got some ks under its belt{unlike the press car provided}no doubt its going to be a 12 sec 1/4 car.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Ok now I have to go down stairs and get the latest Motor out of the M3 and read it………had the Wheels for a while!
Hey Golfy should have asked you up for tea….you been busy today? Me shopping {Harbour Town} had a great time till I came back to Dingo/Bob going on as usual,why does he pick bits out that he wants to argue from your last comment without reading or understanding what you have just said,Iv given up on him on the Prius thingy……..this looks like more fun!
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
andrew i never said “when they put the 7 litre in”, that is already confirmed you idiot and it will be australia’s fastest production car, yes the price is crap but only 200 will be made just like the cobra gt where they made 500 it should had a supercharger makes it sound like a cheap cobra gt. yes a gts ran 5.2 but then again there alot of variables but 5.2 is confirmed, holden had a vt series 2 300kw GTS and it ran 5.1 secs (only weighs 1640kg), i wonder how quick the new gt will be? quicker than a ss-v, which can go as quick as 5.4 and in the lastest motor mag test got 5.5 compared to the xr6t 5.2.
I wonder if hsv will bring over a 6.2 supercharged LSA like the cts-v or a ls9 like the corvette zr1, and a HSV GTS-R will be born which makes sense as it shares the same engine as the gts just supercharged, the w427 was not called a gts-r because it was the 20th anniversary of tom walkinshaw (hsv) and also uses a differnt motor to the gts. just shows hsv could do anything what will fpv do next?. ford will use mustang morors in 2010?
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Last GT was 5.5 - 100 Senator I imagine the next will be a few nano point seconds faster,which I think is disappointing!
What engines will they use in 2010?? We can only surmise?
Wheelnut should help you out on the HSV stuff,but later cause hes watching TG……another repeat!
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
hey Bavarian Missile how long were u at harbour town for??
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
ummmmmmmmmm,3 hours! Spent too much money including clothes for Wheelnut….already started the couple thingy although hes 1600 ks away!
Had lunch their with my 14 year old,Japanese.
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May 17th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I looked up a bf gt 302kw and it only goes 0-100 in 6.1.
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May 17th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
I was looking up a replacement engine for ford’s 5.4 in 2010 and i came across the ford boss hurricane motor which is a 6.2 litre and it has similar figures to the ls3 6.2, boss engine; 317kw 576nm compared to gm’s ls3; 325kw 580nm
it would be a great replacement and wiki also states that ford are working on DI version just like gm is on the ls3 It would make great competition.
Put a supercharger on this engine and you can’t go wrong maybe a gtho?
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May 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Yeah BM, I’m half watching Topgear, another repeat.
Senator, I’ve heard rumors of either the Hurricane 6.2L you describe -or- the 5L modular being developed for Mustang. Without knowing much yet, I’m hoping 5L that goes like a Euro small block.
Holden’s engines from GM are impressive, particularly their power/efficiency for a pushrod, but surely they can’t keep getting bigger?
Moot point for me really ’cause I’m going for an F6.
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
HSV are in talks with Chevrolet to import a limited number of Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-9 V8s - same as in the new Corvette; which will also be produced in limited numbers.. and the boys from Clayton say its almost a certainty
When the 6.2 arrives HSV will probably make another GTS-R [again in a HSV unique colour] However; its not expected to be released until the VF Series in 2010.. Just before the new compact Commodore [Torana] arrives which will have a new Direct Injection Twin Turbo [DOHC] V6 capable of producing 300-320Kw [The one in the TT-36 Concept Car made 280Kw] and the powerdifference is expected to be so small that it would render the V8s almost obselete in the same way as the new F6 virtually does with the GT
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
is the new v6tt that ford will have be like the rival to the skylines that are imported in the fact that they will hav like 360kw or is v6tt gonna be less power then the curent I6t cause one thing is it will hav less torque then the I6
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
motor mag stated that vf will come mid 2009 not 2010 as you and I thought. but it does make sense for example vt 97-00 and ve 06-09 (same year differnece) and vt’s series 2 came in july 99, so would we expect ve series 2 this year july august wheelnut? Also will the DI alloytec come series 2 or vf?
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Senator - Escort I remeber when you said a hsv looks like a omega commodore? correct me if im wrong, how did that come to your mind? A hsv is different in every department I can assure you that.
No They’re not.. HSV VE Clubsports are based on the SS-V. which is essentially a Omega with a V8 and an upgraded interior. [they used to be based on Executive sedans]Therefore dimensions etc are pretty much the same
HSVs don’t make as many changes to the cars as they used to with the VL-VX.. Infact they are close to 80% complete when they leave the Factory at Elizabeth; even the HSV exclusive front and rear 1/4 panels for the LED taillights are done on the assembly line at Elizabeth. The plasma cutter which cuts out the holes cost Holden $500K.
Basically all the boys at clayton do now is upgrade/tweak the ECU driveline supsension brakes steering and interior and add the bodykit
Yet fundamentally a Clubbie is basically a highly modified Omega the same way a GT is still just a Falcon
Plus there are a number of various aftermarket place swhere you can get HSV replica Bodykits and go to places like CAPA or APS to increase the Power of your Omega or SS
so that it looks handles and has the same if not more power than an HSV - a decent panelbeater or metal fabrication place would have the plasma cutter to copy the 1/4 panels
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pm
VE2 is expected to be released sept-oct in time for the sydney motorshow
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May 17th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
HSV are also planning a Budget Sedan to sit below the Clubbie which will use a smaller capacity V8 similar to the new Northstar V8 used in the [ugly] Cadillac CTS etc yet be able to produce as much power partiularly when if the [optional] supercharger is bolted on
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May 17th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
how certain would you be in holden realesing the TT Alloytec v6 similar to the 2004 torana concept, but in a DI version which would lift power from 280 to about 300-320 and improve fuel economy like you said.
Will Holden have 2 DI alloytecs in the range (low-high output) one detuned at about 210-215kw, 350nm and the high-output at 227kw 371nm. well i know the torque capacity on the 5L40 gearbox is at 340nm so i would expect the 5L50 to come in or possible 6L50 standard.
I would say holden would be focused on fuel economy so i would doubt that the high-output alloytec will be standard, if so maybe lifted to 205-210 and 350nm.
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May 18th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Senator FYI………”"I looked up a bf gt 302kw and it only goes 0-100 in 6.1.”"
That was the Cobra…….slowwwwwwwww.
Had a BA GT {290 kw} and it was faster to 100 than the Cobra {302..so the decal said} 5.5 sec for the BA GT.
Was bragging rights for me at home at that stage Senator cause the M3 also does 0-100 in 5.5 sec as did his BA GT.Both had same book time 1/4 mile times 14.1 but the GT when a few ks under the hood did manage around 13.5 without mods!
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May 18th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
well mate the new fg fpv gt got 5.9 0-100 in the lastest motor mag, where the ss-v got 5.5 xr6t 5.2 and xr8 5.9, you carnt say anything about the engine running in because the xr6t keeps getting 5.1-5.2. also the fg xr8 has a identical engine to the ba gt in terms of power and torque and drive also tested it, and it got 6.3 and in this case 5.9, you also need to put into account newer technology and launch control.
your dreaming 5.5 even wiki states 6.1 for a ba fpv gt, also i looked up a review on a bf f6 typhoon where it got 5.5 0-100 (wiki also states the same figure 5.53) but the car was known to hit 5.4. your dreamin 5.5 never heared of that figure.
I also got in front of me the june 2007 edtion of wheels magazine where they tested the ve hsv gts and the bf f6 typhoon in wet conditions, the hsv got 5.5 0-100 and the f6 typhoon 5.9 obviously turbos lag without launch control when taking off, and the gts has mrc and more traction with the 20’s.
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May 18th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I wouldn’t necessarily take what wikipedia says as “gospel”
because its an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those don’t really know what they’re talking about.
I went on there a couple of months ago and couldn’t believe how many inaccuracies there were in regards to various auto related topics including the History of Holden; HSV; Ford; Bathurst etc.
As for the difference in times that you and BM are quoting.
The times listed in Magazines such as Motor or Wheels are often slower than those in the real world as the journos are usually given brand new media cars to do the comparisons.. as a result the engines etc are still tight and are yet to be broken in - particularly in regards to Ford where Holden sometimes let the media use [production ready] test mules which have a fair few 1000 kays under there belt and are therefore usually faster than the Fords
Once the cars have covered 5000ks or so they would be able to reach the 5.5 as stated by BM - not only that but it also depends upon the driver and the driving conditions
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May 18th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
I saw a new FG Falcon yeaterday parked next to a Subaru Liberty GT Sedan part from the headlights they looked almost identical
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May 18th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Just adding to that Wheelnut, don’t Wheels do their runs with a passenger and 1/2 a tank of juice, while Drive have the air-con on to simulate normal driving condiotions?
Easy to see where figures can differ.
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May 18th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Yes, they do.
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May 18th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Senator,
are you suggesting the FG GT’s have launch control?
i hope you didnt find that on Wiki. but then again it wouldnt surprise me if you did.
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May 18th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Motor and Wheels are biased towards Holden for a start ….Plus its matess to you Senator……..well I must be dreaming inside the FPV GT books, they even tell you 5.5………you ever owned or driven one? I doubt it,I can tell you from experience from driving a BF Cobra and BA GT manual they are different…..you also believe what Motor give you on their 1/4 mile times???mmmmmmm Many members of the GT club over here at club days at the drags have taken almost a second of what Motor can launch a GT over the 1/4 mile……….your a holden supporter and know nothing on Australia’s original Muscle car MATE except obviously what you read………It is well know that the 5.4 need revs to launch it and unless you have experience at doing so you may get a 16.00 out of it,stop speaking from what you read,Im speaking from experience. Holden are know for giving the press test cars with ks on them Ford hardly any ks on them.
In regard to what Wheelnut says on the ks,he is absolutely right..normally though its around 10,000ks on the 5.4 before its loosened up.
Oh and I just looked up in the back of Motor for the BF GT
May 2008 {2006 times} 0-100 5.6 1/4 mile times 13.5
I think thats pretty close to what I said even for Motor…..enough said you have just been TOLD!
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May 18th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Seems Andrew we have found Holden’s version of TP……….
Stats surveys and Wiki…. hate ignorance!
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Surveys and WIki? Its called the facts. Ignorance? Id say not taking the facts on board is ignorance. But ignornace is bliss, isnt it BM?
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
TP - Wiki…. Factual? HAH… as I said previously
I wouldn’t necessarily take what wikipedia says as “gospel”
because its an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those don’t really know what they’re talking about.
I went on there a couple of months ago and couldn’t believe how many inaccuracies there were in regards to various auto related topics including the History of Holden; HSV; Ford; Bathurst etc.
And surveys are subjective [based on opinion] not objective [based on standard tests]
Anyway whats the matter couldn’t find a Toyota related topic to discuss?
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Come to think of it TP; Because Wiki is an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those WHO DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
I take it that you are a regular contributor to wiki?
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Sen8r - I went to www.drive.com [ as advised by you] and there wasn’t a single mention of either the Falcon or Commodore let alone their performance figures.
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Sen8r - you got to bear in mind the times recorded here are were done on a media day where the journos are accompanied by a minder/passenger from FPV to ensure that they don’t put it into an armco railing.. and in some instances the journos aren’t allowed to drive the car
So the times would be somewhat different to when they are given the cars for a full comparison as they would be in the real world
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:56 pm
This is fun Wheelnut ,on the phone and CA at the same time…TP sorry couldn’t be bothered replying so lover boy responded for me,I have a sore foot and walking up the stairs at that time was too much effort! Im here now though if you want to biff and barg!
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May 18th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
mmmm,under u Wheelnut just the way U like it ……….hahaha
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Here you are TP ……..Wiki at their best
Read what they say on my M3 that has 3.2 litre, 236 kw cause its 1998.
“”North American models
The first E36 M3 to be imported to the United States was the 1995 model, which received a 3.0 L engine with 240 hp (176 kW) and 305 N•m (225 ft·lbf) (S50B30US),a different suspension and a 0-60 time in about 6 seconds. This coupe has a 3.0L 24-valve DOHC straight six-cylinder engine, available in 5-speed manual and automatic transmissions.
BMW also produced somewhere between 200 and 320 M3 Lightweights also known as the M3 Momentum (only 180 made it to the US). These were reduced weight versions of the model intended to be used both on the road and on the track. It was about 100 to 200 pounds lighter than a stock M3 with many of the car’s features removed, such as sound deadening, radio, air conditioning, leather seats, and sunroof. Other extras that came with this version included an extendable front splitter, strut tower brace, x-brace, aluminum Doors and hood. It could also be fitted with a dual pickup oil pan however, BMW AG stipulated that fitting the dual pickup GT oil pan to the car would void the warranty.
The 1996-1999 model years had displacement bumped up to 3.2 L, with 240 hp (176 kW) and 320 N•m (236 ft·lbf) which is the same S52B32US engine used in the early M Roadster and M Coupe. The manual gearbox remains a 5-speed despite the European versions being upgraded to 6-speed. The 1996+ model is known for being more difficult to tune for performance, due to slightly smaller intake manifold runners and more complicated electronics (OBDII). It was also available as a sedan starting in model year 1997, and as convertible in 1998. Production of the sedan was halted in 1998, while the other models continued until 1999.
US sales figures include a total of 18,961 coupes (including 180 Lightweight versions), 7,760 sedans and 6,211 convertibles[5].
hahaha…………….then on another section of the same page they same same engine has 239..der,still wrong!!!!!!!!!
SEE BELOW………
“”1992-1999
71,242 built [2]
Body style(s) 4-door sedan
2-door coupe
2-door convertible
Platform BMW E36
Engine(s) 3.0L 286 hp (213 kW) I6
3.2L 321 hp (239 kW) I6 (1996)
Transmission(s) 5-speed automatic
5-speed manual
6-speed manual
Wheelbase 106.3 in (2700 mm)
Convertible: 106.7 in (2710 mm)
Length 174.5 in (4432 mm)
Lightweight: 178.0 in (4521 mm)
Width 67.3 in (1709 mm)
Sedan: 66.9 in (1699 mm)
Height 52.6 in (1336 mm)
Sedan: 53.7 in (1364 mm)
Curb weight 1460 kg (3219 lb)
Convertible: 1560 kg (3439 lb)
Related BMW 3-Series
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:11 pm
How ’bout I get on Wiki and state that a stock Camry can do 2.5secs 0-100 same as the almighty Veyron? Sort of stuff you’ve been seeing Wheelnut, lol?
Would that up Wiki’s integrity a bit?
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
hahahaha………that is gold Watto…….told THEM…TP and his Holden version !
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Is John a NZ-er…….or Senator?
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
That comment will be removed,you have nothing to say thats intelligent then don’t bother.
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
John, are you dissing Wheelnut because he’s been propping Ford and you are a Holden man? If that is the case, you couldn’t have it more wrong.
Wheelnut is a red-blooded Holden man, but like some other enthusiasts on this site, can appreciate another marque’s technical acheivements.
He just doesn’t have a lot of time for overly-biased Toyota supporters. Correct me if I’m wrong Wheelnut.
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Spot on Watto - I mean if it wasnt for FORD I wouldn’t be able to by my new HOLDEN ute.
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
No point replying because its posts will be deleted.
What ute are you getting Wheelnut?
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
They sure did get your M3 wrong BM
:prod wiki:
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Watto the guy is very sad………..CA will delete the posts so we may as well speak among ourselves,Wiki hahaha yep real factual hey! So you looking forward to owning a 12 sec car?? Especially that is one so drivable! What colour you looking at Watto!
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
I’m guessing that most people on here calling others corksuckers either do that themselves, or are 12 year olds. Grow up for god’s sake. This a car forum, not what you guys have turned this into.
Bavarian Missile: Which power output is your M3? Sounds like a great car (been on here a few times, heard you mention it before)
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
“Duck.are you saying you would rather drive an old clunky 4 speed auto matched to a rough V6 than drive a nice smooth 5 speed auto matched to a lovely smooth grunty I6 ? You are a tool !!!! Isnt Berlina supposed to be a luxury model?”
ARRRRRRRRRRR! F6 310, i think you are the tool mate! The commodore 4 speed auto is suprisinly smooth for a 4 speed, actually its quite impressive! The omega feels very strong and quick even though the official times dont say so (and its a four speed auto!)! The berlina is a model in the VE series line up because, some people will fork out an extra 4 grand for not a base model with more extras. I wouldnt call it a luxury car F6 310, i wouldnt call the G6 a luxury car either!
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
“i agree bret, i love my fords but atleast i can be objective, duck is such a flog….lmao.”
Ha ha ha ha! SHAKER, you’re really an idiot. Dont just think i would prefer a Berlina over XT, because other people would too! It’s silly to compare the XT to a Berlina, you should compare a Omega to a XT. And SHAKER you’d prefer a XT over a Berlina because you’re a die hard ford lover! Youd probaly prefer (and compare) an XT over a Calais V! And thats what you call SAD!
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May 18th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
ive even found mistakes on TP’s other favourite quote book “redbook”
who the hell lives by an internet guide?
if you dont know, then you dont know. SIMPLE.
dont go around and do a 30 second web search to make your self seem credible in the search for some one-up-manship, because your favoured sources will let you down sooner or later
i was just on the Warner Bros site and its quite clear that tall buildings can be lept in single bounds.
it must be true
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May 18th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
WOW,
first time ive ever heard the old commy 4sp called impressive.
perhaps there is a regular contributer to Wiki in the house, because thats top shelf knowledge there
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May 18th, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Watto: I’m planning to get a 6 Speed SS-V in either “Karma” [a neon blue colour; similar to an M3] or White
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May 18th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
AW………she is a 1998 Individual……so is 3.2 litre 10 years old and still kicks most modern day V8s arse. 6 speed and close ratio {still low ks}. Wheelnut went for a run in her when he was here last week and said”ALL car manufacturers CEOs need to drive an M3 too see what real passion is about in cars {he had a big smile on his face when she went down 2 gears}…she howls without much effort,I think he loved it when you down change from 4th to 2nd up a hill and she cracks 4000 rpm and has another 3500 to pass what you want with ease!
Individual cause of her colour………only 3 in Australia the same.
Next model up from her was E46 and had 250 kws…the last of the I6 M3s!