2008 FPV Range Review
May 15, 2008 by Alborz Fallah
2008 FPV Range First Steer
CarAdvice rating: 
(4.00)
Models driven: FPV GT E, GT-P, F6, Super Pursuit, Pursuit – all autos
- by David Twomey
The first word that springs to mind in regard to the FG Falcon based Ford Performance Vehicle range is ‘entertaining’, and the entertainment comes in bag loads provided you are aware of both your limitations and those of the cars.
Not that there are many limitations on the new FPV range, now a simplified collection of just GT and F6 variants, except for the utilities, which still retain the Pursuit and Super Pursuit names.
In line with the reworked naming of the mainstream models, gone are the Typhoon, Tornado and Force.
The bulk of the FPV range is still as in your face as ever, with bold striping and strong colours in evidence across the range, except for the pinnacle of the GT range the all-new GT E , which has been very much caste in the mould of the Euro executive express.
The GT cars all get the 5.4-litre V8, which has been the subject of no less than 29,000 engineering hours of work to squeeze more power from it and more refinement from the way it produces that power.
There’s a new twin plate throttle body, new camshaft profile, altered timing and new stainless steel straight-through exhaust manifolds, along with a higher compression ratio.
All this means an extra 13kW for a total of 315kW peaking at an all important 6500rpm – 500rpm more than previously. Torque is a fat 551Nm at 4750rpm.
On the road this engine feels eager and powerful, unlike the somewhat lazy version that we found in the FG Falcon XR8 when it was launched a month or so ago.
The V8 is happy to get on with the business and revs freely and strongly, hauling the not inconsiderable bulk of the GT models to very substantial speeds in seemingly short periods of time.
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I’m Gobsmacked. Decent motors admittedly but 240k’s. Ha Ha. Really whats the point. Reducing the top speed further to put lesser tyres on to reduce road noise is “prity” pathetic really. No not for me, if its noisy its too tiring to drive long distance, i’ll stick with the Luxo version thanks. Not that we’ll ever have it here. pity i’d love to see one.
Uhhh no performance numbers? A few errors (Rob Barret, 5.7 V8). Not too bad but I was left wanting for more information. You can do alot better guys.
What is the point of restricting speed to 250km/h when we aren’t aloud to surpass 110km/h? By that rationale why not make it 300 and add to the desirability and appeal of the car. 300km/h is just plain s#xy! (f*cking censor FIX IT!)
It’s a shame about the tyres, this could well mean that VE HSV will outcorner them- despite the FG’s arguably superior basic setup.
I wanted to know if the F6 is a 12 second car.
POisonEagle, in the risk of starting a debate, if we are only allowed to go 110km/h, why aren’t our cars limited to 120km/h (10km/h over for overtaking)? Though i see your point, FPV may get better ‘cred’ if they have there top speed as high as possible on the figures.
FPV doesn’t provide performance numbers and driving seven different cars in one day means it’s pretty near impossible for us to do our own.
We will provide you with the real numbers when we give these cars a fuller test in the near future.
BTW there’s nothing wrong with the tyres as such, just the amount of power the 310 in particular has to lay down means that it probably should have even bigger rubber. The noise issue is something different, fit ZR rated tyres to meet the speed limits of the car and you are going to have a pretty aggresive tyre, which means more noise. The suggestion was just that lowering the speed limit would allow a more compliant tyre and after all you can’t go over 110km/h legally in this country. It would stop the car still having the ballistic acceleration!
its good to hear that the gt is better then xr8 which everyone says is a little slow. wish there was some performance times
But on road tyres, they shouldn’t allow for 250km/h because it is illegal, therefore they might as well go the whole hog and get the triple ton bragging rights. Also, as redemption, I expect 22’s, more flared-out arches and 300 series rear-rubber on the update; to do these cars some justice (not to be a riceboy, for the sake of proportion, one upmanship and the chassis). Just to make up for carrying over the rubber but that doesn’t stop me from lusting. That F6 truly looks like nothing else! Plenty more rear view-mirorr menace than Hyundai-esque HSV front end. Plenty of export potential there methinks.
PoisonEagle:
Have you heard of a race track?
They are a tarred section of private road where cars can go really really fast! That’s why they’re speed limited to 250km/h and not 110km/h.
G6ET would be faster
then the GTE 20K cheaper,
its a
no brainer
how good is the value of the G6ET
Go FORD
Haven’t read the article yet but on Toms question that would be a yes. The XR6T with Wheels steering it are doing a 13.4 .So its just a question of how low in the 12s I would say Tom.
How many Ks did the cars have on them I would like to know? Ill read the article later,will have more to say then I imagine.
As I said before, These new FPV cars are truley the cat among the pigeons. HSV has nothing to compare with them. Especially the turbo 6. The Drive comparison describes the new turbo 6 FG as the new bench mark in performance cars in Australia, so what wil the new FPV F6 be. Holden has assumed that you put big tyres, flared guards, and heeps of cubes and you’ve got a winner. Wrong.
I would love to have a GT-E
I was sure months ago that the F6 was for me. After reading so much about XR6Turbo, going to see/sit in the XR6 and G6, I’m sure :-D
I would love to have a Clubsport R8
I guess that answered my question in the email I just sent you Watto……welcome back babe. We missed you!!
Thanks BM, just read your mail. Yep, been out of the loop a bit. Very happy with how the FG is shaping up.
I know how these press days are (from experience) and having a PR-nanny sitting with you in the car restricts you to the odd short squirt. I think the Car advice boys have done well bringing such a comprehensive article online after only driving the vehicles yesterday. Like the others though, I am keen to see how they stack up against the HSV’s. Ford have been on the back-foot for years now, so this new model should give them a fighting chance.
I have always likened the animosity between HSV and FPV in the same way as people compare Sydney and Melbourne (each with their pro’s and con’s).
GT-E from the front looks hot, GT looks like a toy with all of those stripes, but what a cool range of cars
Have they increased the size of the bonnet bulge in the FPV models cause it look larger than the XR8’s.
Why, yes Benjie I have heard of a racetrack- have you heard of a patronising twat?
For the racetrack Semi-slick rubber should be optional.
hey guys!
Im going to sound like a whinger, but the ‘e’ badge on the doors of the GT e is dissapointing.
Im still on the fence about this car, i dont think FPv has done enough to the range, they have short cut like no new rim design and stuff like that, makes a special car feel not so special!
whats the go with the circle hole in gt grill. must be for something
Bob, It’s to allow attachment of the front tow hook
Look people, give credit where its due..
FPV have done a descent job on the upgrades, lets just wait and see how they perform, then have your opinion!!
I’m sure the caradvice team could feel by the seat of their pants if this is a 12 second car or not.
Remember, the “270kw” SS Commodore’s have run the same quarter mile times as the “307kw” HSV’s. So there is no real reason to believe much otherwise here.
I’d still be interested to know.
I thought FPV would do new wheel designs for such an important new model release. It shows the limited budget they must have had. The insert in the front 1/4 panel to fill in the hole left by the side indicator shows this as well.
XT Falcon also has carry over wheel trims…
Drive got 5.3 0-100km for F6, it will be good for another .5 of a second though so its atleast 4.8 0-100km.
Who really gives a toss about tyre noise its grip that counts. Also the NT has 130km/hr speed limits (not long ago twas unlimited.
Pfffft clubsport.
The funny thing is that HSV are going to put a 7 litre V8 in a $ 168,000 Commodore and it wont be as quick as a $68,000 4 liter F6 !! I will wave to them as I pass them by in my beautiful FPV F6……… and might I add that for the psice of a chip upgrade it will make their 7 litre V8 look stupid !! How long before an 8 litre?? what a joke !!!
Pablo……so what if the xt has carry over wheel trims? every car company has a budget. Unlike Holden they spent the money making the FG a much better car than the VE in all of the important areas such as handling, effortless performance, fuel economy, driveability, new auto, new front suspension, new body, new steering, classy looking and well finished interior etc…… Holden carried over the 4 speed clunker auto and the rattle tek v6……….and the poor quality interior plastics ……..seriously who would buy a Berlina instead of an XT ?
^Me! So would other people!
:)
Roddy…..Go get a Clubsport and the after driving it for a few weeks go and have a test drive of an F6……..then you will know what a a piece of junk the Clubby is…….
to add to that, they have strengthened the the pistons and rods, so the week point will the the small turbo, so if you are looking for large hp, ditch the small turbo and pop in a larger one.
sure it wont drive as flat as the stock but will make mass power.
this will be a tuners dream car.
might even give that twin turbo gts a run for its money.
Nik, A real tuner would probably replace the pistons and conrods in any car anyways lol,
Seriously the numbers and features of this car is a winner for the few years ahead.
As long Ford know how to market this properly this should rack up a good sales figure and bring some light to Ford.
With the outlook on fuel prices etc its going to be a uphill battle.
Sounding a wee bit defensive there F6 310 ??
I’d rather a Clubbie any day of the week over this racoon-faced eyesore no matter how it goes.
enjoy
*grin*
Roddy, u would choose a new car by looks rather than driving dynamics?
Something i have noticed, Holden fans normally pay out the falcon, but Ford enthusiasts just say the Falcon is better than the commodore, not that the commodore is crap. Both are good cars, but overall, from what I’ve read, the Falcon is the best overall car.
I am a true car enthusiast and was a commodore driver for many years as Ford had nothing that got me excited enough to even give them more than a cursory glance, then they released the BA XR6 Turbo in 2002. I took an XR6 for a test drive, then an XR6T, followed by a Holden VY SS. The end result is I’ve been driving turbo charged Fords ever since and currently drive a 6 speed auto BF F6.
If you take the time to do this comparison as I have done with an open mind to choosing the best car, you too will be ordering a new Falcon or FPV.
It’s had to explain to someone just how much better the Ford product is as a daily driver. Sure the Holdens’ may be faster around a race track but seriously how many of you drive your car that fast all the time.
Give credit where it’s due and right now it belongs to the Blue Oval, well done guys, I’m looking forward to checking out the new FG F6 on a test drive asap.
Big AL
Hey F6 310, out of the reported $600 – $700M Ford spent on the FG, the cost of redesigning the wheel trims would have added bugger all to the total budget. They just made the decision not to change the wheel trims to keep the XT as the fleet focused car – same thinking with the wagon.
Gotta agree with you though on the Berlina Vs XT arguement. I had 3 options for my company car due for replacement this month – BFII SR (4 spd), VE 60th Anniversary or FG XT. Based on what the FG offers, I went with the XT.
Waiting on a delivery date…
Very succint Big Al. Couldn’t agree more. The I6 was always a great donk, but Ford(Oz)’s work with turbos has made them VERY special. I love the sound of a good V8, but I’m converted to blown I6.
I was on a Ford FG drive day earlier this week and had the opportunity to test drive all of the different models including a couple of hours on the skid pan and I can tell you the FG is a vast improvement over the already fantastic BF.
I’ve never been a big fan of the V8’s (altough I do follow the V8 Supercars), that said I was quite impressed with the dynamics and performance of the FG XR8 auto that I drove.
I was expecting it to be a slow old barge by all the reports that I’ve read, but suprisingly I found it to be very capable driving with verve up a very windy mountain road.
The road surface was a little slippery due to some light showers but the DSC kept the rear from wandering too much when exiting hairpin bends under reasonable acceleration.
Whilst it didn’t have the response or handling ability of my current BF F6 when pushed, it was none the less an enjoyable car to drive and for those who prefer the noise of a V8 over the whistle of a Turbo, you’ll not be disappointed.
BTW Don’t take my word for it, get down to your local Ford dealer and test drive one of these new cars. You’ll soon be singing it’s praises as I am.
Big AL
Last weekend I visited the local dealer. They had an XT, two G6’s and two XR6’s to look at/sit in. Very impressed, even the XT looked good for a fleet hack. Saleslady informed me they are having a drive day this Saturday with an XR6Turbo and XR8 added to the lineup. Can’t wait to try them both out.
I’m already set on F6, but when I drive the XR8, in the back of my mind I’ll be remembering that it takes a good 10,000kms for the Boss V8 to free up and rev .
You’ll not be disappointed I’m sure, even the base model XT is a nice car to drive, if only a little bit too softly sprung for my liking. The G6ET is probably the pick of the bunch for performance value followed by the XR6T if you like a more sporty drive.
Enjoy.
Big AL
Im surprised the GT still dives at the front when cornering hard,doesn’t the whole range now have the R-Spec suspension?
Typical FPV supplying Autos! Where is Matt Brogan and when is he giving us a report on a manual F6?? Hope your all rested up babe beforehand!
Oh and how did the F6 sound full noise.I heard that it sounds better than the GT!
wheels had a manual in one of their cars.
What one?
lmao duck lmfao, go and buy you berlina if you think it’s better, duck is a tool…lol…:)
Duck.are you saying you would rather drive an old clunky 4 speed auto matched to a rough V6 than drive a nice smooth 5 speed auto matched to a lovely smooth grunty I6 ? You are a tool !!!! Isnt Berlina supposed to be a luxury model?
F6 310,
Duck would need a special option to even consider an XT (or any of the FG range) – a big chrome lion badge on the front. He is a tragic die hard holden boy, and lacks objectivity, doesn’t he Richo?
i agree bret, i love my fords but atleast i can be objective, duck is such a flog….lmao. :-)
f6 310 u better not be ford g series because u brag so much about the new falcon when it gets only four stars i thought it was a world class car? what did the e series get 4 stars u idiot. firstly the bara 5.4 is the worst engine v8 engine in history its tall its heavy it sits to far to forward, it oversteers and understeers under braking and cornering. don’t forget hsv had a 300kw gts with 510nm in 200 (vt series 2). Also the ba gt’s had 5 speed manuals and 4 speeds correct? yes. even the ve ss is quicker than a fg xr8 6.3 0-100 is a absolutwe disgrace 290kw is shit it’s like having a cheap brand with higher specs and it’s still shit. Remeber mate the LS3 STOCK HAS 580NM, obviously driveline restictions was capped at 550 and hsv stated that this will be rectified in series 2. DONT FORGET MATE THE XR6T GETS 5.4 SECS 0-100 NOT 5.1-5.2, drive confirmed that they used high octane fule and guess what mate the f6 typhoon they tested got 5.3 secs 0-100 chechk drive, but the conditions wernt perfect, but i would it expect it to hit 5.0 secs flat at best.
senator wheels actually got 6 seconds flat on the xr8 they got 5.2 in the xr6 turbo and 5.1 in the G6E turbo drive stated as well that the F6 was much quicker.
as for the Ls3 Drive could only manage a 5.6 out of the commodore how crap is that for 317 kws only .4 seconds faster than a 290 v8 and point 5 seconds slower than a 270kw turbo six.
and for the record drives drivers suck its a known fact and the boss v8 need to get the k on the engine to really perform another fact
My god, look at all these bunch of kids arguing about .2 seconds here and .4 seconds there. Take each car for a test drive, then buy the best car for you!
Figures on paper mean SH1T compared to the real world and if .1 of a second really means that much to any prospective buyers, they would be looking at aftermarket go fast bits anyway.
Faaark, you remind me on the old school yard days… “My daddy’s XY would cream your dads crappy HG!”
I laugh at anyone who calls ANY of these cars sh1t, whether it be a FORD or a HOLDEN, just shows what a brain dead sheep you really are. Truth is they are both awesome locally built cars that are quite similar to each other in all aspects, hence they are fighting for the same real estate.
seriously escort a ba gt got a time of 6.2 secs by wheels magazine. they bf might of been slightly quicker with a extra 12kw and 20nm. but the engine is identical to a ba gt so 6.3 secs is realistic.
senior you an idiot if someone has achieved it then its fact something no one has done in the hsv there suppose to be 4,9 second cars and know ones done done it out side hsv plus the new XR8 is lighter than the old GT
and its a know fact that the gt engines loosen up after
10,000 k\’s
Apparently holden a realising the DI Alloytec which has to be used with GM 6L50 gearbox for high output versions. The gearbox is almost identical to the 6L45 version in BMW 3 series and the caddy which is coming to aus which obviously has the DI Alloytec with 227kw and 371NM. Guys will ford bring in the 3.5 or 3.7 duratec. isnt it pretty much confirmed that they will use the 3.5, less power but better economy maybe worth the sacrifice for ford.
well according to wiki it says 3.5 duratec is confirmed for 2010 ford fg falcon. The duratec would be similiar to the alloytec in terms of power and torque as the stock engine is 198kw and 339nm which is similiar to the sv6 195kw 340nm. Also wiki states that the DI version will have 224kw so i’ll be asuming ford will have a standard and DI versions of the duratec across the range. (xt standard xr6 DI would make sense).
i dont understand what the bitterness is about if they ran the XR6T on premium, because the GTS which achieved 5.2 sec also ran premium
sounds like a bit of clutching at straws going on here………..
senator ford have not confirmed witch v6 there using just like they haven’t confirmed witch v8 there using 5.0L DOHC crate motor is the top contender at the moment for the xr8
GoAuto have done a review on the FPV range and they likey very much.
Type the usual www then dot and copy paste this after it:-
goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/RT/963B3FEF40346580CA25744A00824C22?OpenDocument
A very good read, but no performance times yet.
Hanging out to see Car Advice’s full review and performance figures on the F6.
Lets all buy a GT, A car we can’t enjoy for 6-12 months, Whilst it loosing up lol It’s really a joke to believe it takes that long.
I’ve never meet a Stock Boss engine that was anything below 5.7 0-100 after any amount of travel.
Truth is i don’t believe in tight engines after 2000km, The factory doesn’t assemble them and in the car out the door, They dyno them to make sure they are ready.
The full Range in looks disappoints me, Then the GT-E doesn’t, It might not be the fast one, But it’s the hot one.
well roudy the reason the Fpv v8 need a run in is because there hand assembled and built here not some oil guzzling engine from the states ( witch is still a great engine) i would rather a car that has an engine that you cant get any wear in the world than a motor thats used in every hi po GM product thats been detuned.
and the thing i like about the new fpv’s look is that they look tough but expensive unlike the hsv’s witch look tough but cheap fpv’s are a more an Australasian car than Hsv or holden are these days sham it’s going to change after 2010
This info is from the latest issue of Motor mag. It is a test between the XR8/XR6T and SSV. The test vehicles are 6 speed manuals. The following specs are:
0 – 100
SSV 5.5
XR8 5.9
XR6T 5.2
400m
SSV 13.9
XR8 14.2
XR6T 13.5
80 – 120
SSV 3.7
XR8 4.0
XR6T 3.0
That shows the XR6T too be considerably better everywhere and the difference increases as the speeds rise. The XR6T continues to just blast away.
Now the all important fuel consumption which quite a few were saying the XR6T uses 20 – 30% less fuel than the holden or ford V8. Wrong. I will put in order of best too worst:
XR8 13.4
XR6T 13.8
SSV 14.3
The XR8 has brilliant fuel economy as many have said and the SSV is the worst just like everyone thought. However it is only 1/2 a litre difference between the SSV and XR6T which is not significant. Certainly not 20% that is for sure. Only about 4% at best. The XR8 however is the best on fuel. That sort of shows for this blog the XR8 is certainly not a loser on the road. Yes in performance it is behind but not by huge amounts in the real world and in fuel economy it is the best of all three in a test from an enthusiasts magazine! Winner was XR6T!
thats an impressive 80-120 squirt for the xr6t
I agree with CHRISGT,who bloody cares about .2 of a second it’s about you personal preference.if you like holdens good if you like fords good be happy with what you like and be done with it, grow up!
senator is a flog like duck….lmao.:-)
well db9 u dont look at what f6 310 and ford g series comments. every single ford or holden article they act like little kids saying ford is the best holden suck etc.(every comment neagtive towards holden all of it is their opinion no factual content) I don’t see a 5 star rating for the new fg fpv range, ofcourse it got 4 stars just like the ve nothing special. And escort how does the hsv look cheap compared to the fg fpv’s when the hsv’s have a diff front and rear bumber (rear e series style), diff pipes, diff grille, unique e series grile and led taillights. Ford use the same fornt grille simmilar front bumber rear similiar and they use the same pipe/s. atleast the senator is differnt in styling compared to a gts, (diff grille, diff front, rear bumber0 the gt-e looks similar to a gt and f6. why do fpv still have single piston rear brakes? hsv have 4 piston rear standard. yes fpv have brought in 6 piston brakes 10mm smaller than the hsv’s 4 piston front brakes. hsv will most likly bring in a 6 piston but in my opinion there is nothing wrong with the holden brakes when there braking performance is up there with a bmw m5. apparently vf is coming in mid 2009 (would make sense vt 97-00 ve 06-09 always 4 years with new model) according to holden insiders from latest motor mag and also alot of the coupe 60 desin aspects will be applied to the vf like the side fender vents, rear lights, front bumber a slightly bigger grille, and possibly the hood vents on a ss-v model, and also DI alloytec which comes with 6l50 gearbox similar to the bmw 3 series 6l45 gearbox supplied by gm, and v8 cylinder deactivation system, like the g8. ve series 2 will come this july august just like the vt series 2 in july 99. the ls3 with 580nm will be quick!
senator take a breath when you write space your post out abit becouse it makes you look like your 12 years old.
i never said the hsv’s look crap, i said they look cheap theres a difference( the things that make them look chead are the crappy E vents and the read bumper and all the black high light and i hate the look of the reap but i give hsv kudos for trying and the maloo looks horrible).
but FPV like to spend there money on different things other than bling bling like hsv they spend it on lets say the engines, oh thats right HSV just get crate engines becouse there so greate i hate the TDR borion but at least the engine is only in that model.
and why put a similar front to the coupe 60 the front bumper looks hidius.
i would like the VE if they got rid of the flared gurdes and made the inderia look not so cheap.
what i have read from all the test drives & comparo tests is that the FG falcon is a winner, why do you think Holden have been having so much add time in the last few months for there 60th birthday, they are shit scared of this car, & they have even got devices as standard , so the commonwhore owners won’t go to the blue side.
I live in the country & nearly every 4th add is a holden one
Did holdn hold back on some of the 1 billion for a wholesale add slaughter campain, they are running scared?
Escort I remeber when you said a hsv looks like a omega commodore? correct me if im wrong, how did that come to your mind? A hsv is differnet in every department I can assure you that.
The new fpv shares similar styling to the fg and even has a ancient monochrome screen based on the fg xt and also the same single piston rear brakes, thats what you call cheap mate.The super pursuit looks not bad, I hate the stripes, only two pipes, ford utes are two pieces and the stance is inferior to the maloo and also the lines of the ute.
Your the first person to say the coupe 60 looks hidius in terms of the front bumber, the styling is a work of art even real ford fans liked it, check out the comments, on this very own site mate and ford forums (ford australia etc).
Then again it’s your opinion, but your apart of a small minority of people who don’t like the front end.
If you don’t like the fender vents I wouldn’t be suprised if they use the coupe 60 fender vents in the new VF HSV’S.
This is all based on opinions and obviously your a ford fan and your always anti-holden. Ford will eventually import both their engines (2010) and for the better especially the v8 as drive stated, the xr8 is the weakness in the fg range, and it’s the only v8 model.
You need to correct your grammar mate, before you call me 12.
senator,
mate that just sounded like a big cry.
Tissue?
Mate remeber the au falcon it cost 800 million back in 1998 and if you convert that in today’s money it’s about 1 billion, that car was a failure, infact the ef sold more cars and it was around half the time.
No wonder ford spent another 500 million on the ba facelift twice as much as the vy (by this time holden were working on the new zeta platform). Yes the ba was a great car compared to the ve.
But if you compare the ve to the au, the ve has been a huge success atleast it has won awards (wheels motor etc), been exported to every contienet, and had huge wraps by the americans infact they called it a bmw m5 in almost every department, braking performance engine performance and ride, obvioulsy it’s less than half the price of a bmw and the ve is better value.
The bmw is better overall, a great engineered car. the ve got nominated for world car of the year (lets see if the new fg gets a nomination, hope it does another get engineered australian car). The ve has been averaging 4 stars each review, it’s not perfect but it’s done well.
I would’nt say holden is scared after being the top seller for 12 years straight, infact holden would be scared by the toyota corrola which has sold 500 more cars this year and is the main oppostion to holden and ford. we will see how many new fg falcons ford can sell this year.
You might want to check your spelling before having a go at someone for their grammar Senator…
andrew why would i be crying when the fpv range got only 4 stars? It’s nothing special or is it? f6 typhoon 5.3 secs, maybe 5.0 in perfect conditions.
jbot have you seen escorts spelling, every line atleast one word spelt incorrectly. correct?
are they gonna use launch assist for the real o-100 in the xr6t cause that will shave bout .3 of a sec off
n its good that ford relised that the f6, xr6t and g6et are all much more better cars then v8\’s
but i still find it funny how ford runs a 5.4 ltr n gets 315kw n holdens got the 6 ltr at 307 soon to be 317 amazing not
shows how much more fords engines are advanced in overall wise
Why would the new F6 get 5 – 5.3secs when the XR6T/G6ET are already hitting 5.1 consistently? We’re talking 270kw/533Nm versus 310kw/565Nm here.
Mate drive confirmed the xr6-t was running high octane fuel when it hit 5.1 and 5.2 secs when they used normal fuel it got 5.4 check drive.com.
drive also tested the f6 typhoon and got 5.3 secs, you have consider alot of variables firstly the petrol they used, the temperature outside, the humidity, the suface, bad road etc and ofcourse the driver, also reaction time could also affect the time.
Also i need to mention the standard LS3 produces 321kw and 580nm, obviously hsv like having 7 on their power figures (297, 307, 317). driveline restrictions capped at 550nm because of the 6l80 auto gearbox, need to change to the 6l90 which has a higher torque capacity, hsv confirmed that they will rectify it by ve 2 or vf in 09.
Also bob lutz wanst all gm engines to have DI and the new camaro based on holden’s zeta platform will have a 336kw LS3 DI with maybe around 600nm plus, not sure on the torque figures.
senator,
so what if the XR6T used premium to place a time of 5.1 sec,
the GTS that placed 5.2 sec also ran premium.
i said it sounds like a cry because it has just been a heap of “well when VF comes” and “when they put the 7L in”
and this cost this much and that cost that much.
Who puts 91RON in a performance car?
the cars surpost to be run on premium fuel so who would be dumb to put unleaded in a sports car in the manualls it says to put premo fuel in so stop trying to take the shine of the turbo just becasue its better then the ve r8 aint fords problem
dam holden people always tryin to make thier holdens out to be the best well there not
wheels mag is a buyest mag to holden
And I was using Wheels time of 5.1 for G6ETurbo. They did it again and again. Same result. Without checking back in that issue I’m sure they only used the Autos that were available.
I’m curious to see what the manual does with launch control. Search for “FG XR6T manual launch control” on Youtube to see launch control in action.
the lanch controll setups gr8 in the fact there is no buttons to be pushed all u do is clutch 1st gear flat to the floor locks the acceleration at 3500rpm n dump the clutch n bang ur off like a rocket
You mean biased. I’m not being picky, but it’s the language we speak and write. If you want to make yourself understood, getting it right is more crucial than you believe.
Now that’s off my chest, have a look at the latest WHEELS issue and tell me they’re biased. They’ve given the FG a great write-up, not to mention gonging BA and Territory with COTY awards.
hahaha.Wheelnut and I were just discussing this on the phone,you couldn’t run 91 in it!!!!!!!!It would sound like the Statesman did all the time we rented it ping ping ping except that was the parking sensors…….,no seriously I think the knock sensors would have a cardio if you ran that low octane level.whos this Senator guy sounds like I could have some fun here instead of the Prius site playing with BOB..
VE got nominated Senator cause they tried to make a bogans BMW..I once called the VE the heinz car.why cause it has so many other varieties of manufactures in it.Tell me how many patents did Holden have on the VE……Senator admit it the F6 is going to be one hell of a fast car,especially when its got some ks under its belt{unlike the press car provided}no doubt its going to be a 12 sec 1/4 car.
Ok now I have to go down stairs and get the latest Motor out of the M3 and read it………had the Wheels for a while!
Hey Golfy should have asked you up for tea….you been busy today? Me shopping {Harbour Town} had a great time till I came back to Dingo/Bob going on as usual,why does he pick bits out that he wants to argue from your last comment without reading or understanding what you have just said,Iv given up on him on the Prius thingy……..this looks like more fun!
andrew i never said “when they put the 7 litre in”, that is already confirmed you idiot and it will be australia’s fastest production car, yes the price is crap but only 200 will be made just like the cobra gt where they made 500 it should had a supercharger makes it sound like a cheap cobra gt. yes a gts ran 5.2 but then again there alot of variables but 5.2 is confirmed, holden had a vt series 2 300kw GTS and it ran 5.1 secs (only weighs 1640kg), i wonder how quick the new gt will be? quicker than a ss-v, which can go as quick as 5.4 and in the lastest motor mag test got 5.5 compared to the xr6t 5.2.
I wonder if hsv will bring over a 6.2 supercharged LSA like the cts-v or a ls9 like the corvette zr1, and a HSV GTS-R will be born which makes sense as it shares the same engine as the gts just supercharged, the w427 was not called a gts-r because it was the 20th anniversary of tom walkinshaw (hsv) and also uses a differnt motor to the gts. just shows hsv could do anything what will fpv do next?. ford will use mustang morors in 2010?
Last GT was 5.5 – 100 Senator I imagine the next will be a few nano point seconds faster,which I think is disappointing!
What engines will they use in 2010?? We can only surmise?
Wheelnut should help you out on the HSV stuff,but later cause hes watching TG……another repeat!
hey Bavarian Missile how long were u at harbour town for??
ummmmmmmmmm,3 hours! Spent too much money including clothes for Wheelnut….already started the couple thingy although hes 1600 ks away!
Had lunch their with my 14 year old,Japanese.
I looked up a bf gt 302kw and it only goes 0-100 in 6.1.
I was looking up a replacement engine for ford’s 5.4 in 2010 and i came across the ford boss hurricane motor which is a 6.2 litre and it has similar figures to the ls3 6.2, boss engine; 317kw 576nm compared to gm’s ls3; 325kw 580nm
it would be a great replacement and wiki also states that ford are working on DI version just like gm is on the ls3 It would make great competition.
Put a supercharger on this engine and you can’t go wrong maybe a gtho?
Yeah BM, I’m half watching Topgear, another repeat.
Senator, I’ve heard rumors of either the Hurricane 6.2L you describe -or- the 5L modular being developed for Mustang. Without knowing much yet, I’m hoping 5L that goes like a Euro small block.
Holden’s engines from GM are impressive, particularly their power/efficiency for a pushrod, but surely they can’t keep getting bigger?
Moot point for me really ’cause I’m going for an F6.
HSV are in talks with Chevrolet to import a limited number of Supercharged 6.2 Litre LS-9 V8s – same as in the new Corvette; which will also be produced in limited numbers.. and the boys from Clayton say its almost a certainty
When the 6.2 arrives HSV will probably make another GTS-R [again in a HSV unique colour] However; its not expected to be released until the VF Series in 2010.. Just before the new compact Commodore [Torana] arrives which will have a new Direct Injection Twin Turbo [DOHC] V6 capable of producing 300-320Kw [The one in the TT-36 Concept Car made 280Kw] and the powerdifference is expected to be so small that it would render the V8s almost obselete in the same way as the new F6 virtually does with the GT
is the new v6tt that ford will have be like the rival to the skylines that are imported in the fact that they will hav like 360kw or is v6tt gonna be less power then the curent I6t cause one thing is it will hav less torque then the I6
motor mag stated that vf will come mid 2009 not 2010 as you and I thought. but it does make sense for example vt 97-00 and ve 06-09 (same year differnece) and vt’s series 2 came in july 99, so would we expect ve series 2 this year july august wheelnut? Also will the DI alloytec come series 2 or vf?
Senator – Escort I remeber when you said a hsv looks like a omega commodore? correct me if im wrong, how did that come to your mind? A hsv is different in every department I can assure you that.
No They’re not.. HSV VE Clubsports are based on the SS-V. which is essentially a Omega with a V8 and an upgraded interior. [they used to be based on Executive sedans]Therefore dimensions etc are pretty much the same
HSVs don’t make as many changes to the cars as they used to with the VL-VX.. Infact they are close to 80% complete when they leave the Factory at Elizabeth; even the HSV exclusive front and rear 1/4 panels for the LED taillights are done on the assembly line at Elizabeth. The plasma cutter which cuts out the holes cost Holden $500K.
Basically all the boys at clayton do now is upgrade/tweak the ECU driveline supsension brakes steering and interior and add the bodykit
Yet fundamentally a Clubbie is basically a highly modified Omega the same way a GT is still just a Falcon
Plus there are a number of various aftermarket place swhere you can get HSV replica Bodykits and go to places like CAPA or APS to increase the Power of your Omega or SS
so that it looks handles and has the same if not more power than an HSV – a decent panelbeater or metal fabrication place would have the plasma cutter to copy the 1/4 panels
VE2 is expected to be released sept-oct in time for the sydney motorshow
HSV are also planning a Budget Sedan to sit below the Clubbie which will use a smaller capacity V8 similar to the new Northstar V8 used in the [ugly] Cadillac CTS etc yet be able to produce as much power partiularly when if the [optional] supercharger is bolted on
how certain would you be in holden realesing the TT Alloytec v6 similar to the 2004 torana concept, but in a DI version which would lift power from 280 to about 300-320 and improve fuel economy like you said.
Will Holden have 2 DI alloytecs in the range (low-high output) one detuned at about 210-215kw, 350nm and the high-output at 227kw 371nm. well i know the torque capacity on the 5L40 gearbox is at 340nm so i would expect the 5L50 to come in or possible 6L50 standard.
I would say holden would be focused on fuel economy so i would doubt that the high-output alloytec will be standard, if so maybe lifted to 205-210 and 350nm.
Senator FYI………”"I looked up a bf gt 302kw and it only goes 0-100 in 6.1.”"
That was the Cobra…….slowwwwwwwww.
Had a BA GT {290 kw} and it was faster to 100 than the Cobra {302..so the decal said} 5.5 sec for the BA GT.
Was bragging rights for me at home at that stage Senator cause the M3 also does 0-100 in 5.5 sec as did his BA GT.Both had same book time 1/4 mile times 14.1 but the GT when a few ks under the hood did manage around 13.5 without mods!
well mate the new fg fpv gt got 5.9 0-100 in the lastest motor mag, where the ss-v got 5.5 xr6t 5.2 and xr8 5.9, you carnt say anything about the engine running in because the xr6t keeps getting 5.1-5.2. also the fg xr8 has a identical engine to the ba gt in terms of power and torque and drive also tested it, and it got 6.3 and in this case 5.9, you also need to put into account newer technology and launch control.
your dreaming 5.5 even wiki states 6.1 for a ba fpv gt, also i looked up a review on a bf f6 typhoon where it got 5.5 0-100 (wiki also states the same figure 5.53) but the car was known to hit 5.4. your dreamin 5.5 never heared of that figure.
I also got in front of me the june 2007 edtion of wheels magazine where they tested the ve hsv gts and the bf f6 typhoon in wet conditions, the hsv got 5.5 0-100 and the f6 typhoon 5.9 obviously turbos lag without launch control when taking off, and the gts has mrc and more traction with the 20’s.
I wouldn’t necessarily take what wikipedia says as “gospel”
because its an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those don’t really know what they’re talking about.
I went on there a couple of months ago and couldn’t believe how many inaccuracies there were in regards to various auto related topics including the History of Holden; HSV; Ford; Bathurst etc.
As for the difference in times that you and BM are quoting.
The times listed in Magazines such as Motor or Wheels are often slower than those in the real world as the journos are usually given brand new media cars to do the comparisons.. as a result the engines etc are still tight and are yet to be broken in – particularly in regards to Ford where Holden sometimes let the media use [production ready] test mules which have a fair few 1000 kays under there belt and are therefore usually faster than the Fords
Once the cars have covered 5000ks or so they would be able to reach the 5.5 as stated by BM – not only that but it also depends upon the driver and the driving conditions
I saw a new FG Falcon yeaterday parked next to a Subaru Liberty GT Sedan part from the headlights they looked almost identical
Just adding to that Wheelnut, don’t Wheels do their runs with a passenger and 1/2 a tank of juice, while Drive have the air-con on to simulate normal driving condiotions?
Easy to see where figures can differ.
Yes, they do.
Senator,
are you suggesting the FG GT’s have launch control?
i hope you didnt find that on Wiki. but then again it wouldnt surprise me if you did.
Motor and Wheels are biased towards Holden for a start ….Plus its matess to you Senator……..well I must be dreaming inside the FPV GT books, they even tell you 5.5………you ever owned or driven one? I doubt it,I can tell you from experience from driving a BF Cobra and BA GT manual they are different…..you also believe what Motor give you on their 1/4 mile times???mmmmmmm Many members of the GT club over here at club days at the drags have taken almost a second of what Motor can launch a GT over the 1/4 mile……….your a holden supporter and know nothing on Australia’s original Muscle car MATE except obviously what you read………It is well know that the 5.4 need revs to launch it and unless you have experience at doing so you may get a 16.00 out of it,stop speaking from what you read,Im speaking from experience. Holden are know for giving the press test cars with ks on them Ford hardly any ks on them.
In regard to what Wheelnut says on the ks,he is absolutely right..normally though its around 10,000ks on the 5.4 before its loosened up.
Oh and I just looked up in the back of Motor for the BF GT
May 2008 {2006 times} 0-100 5.6 1/4 mile times 13.5
I think thats pretty close to what I said even for Motor…..enough said you have just been TOLD!
Seems Andrew we have found Holden’s version of TP……….
Stats surveys and Wiki…. hate ignorance!
Surveys and WIki? Its called the facts. Ignorance? Id say not taking the facts on board is ignorance. But ignornace is bliss, isnt it BM?
TP – Wiki…. Factual? HAH… as I said previously
I wouldn’t necessarily take what wikipedia says as “gospel”
because its an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those don’t really know what they’re talking about.
I went on there a couple of months ago and couldn’t believe how many inaccuracies there were in regards to various auto related topics including the History of Holden; HSV; Ford; Bathurst etc.
And surveys are subjective [based on opinion] not objective [based on standard tests]
Anyway whats the matter couldn’t find a Toyota related topic to discuss?
Come to think of it TP; Because Wiki is an internet encyclopedia to which 1000s of web-heads make contributions half of those WHO DON’T REALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
I take it that you are a regular contributor to wiki?
Sen8r – I went to http://www.drive.com [ as advised by you] and there wasn’t a single mention of either the Falcon or Commodore let alone their performance figures.
Sen8r – you got to bear in mind the times recorded here are were done on a media day where the journos are accompanied by a minder/passenger from FPV to ensure that they don’t put it into an armco railing.. and in some instances the journos aren’t allowed to drive the car
So the times would be somewhat different to when they are given the cars for a full comparison as they would be in the real world
This is fun Wheelnut ,on the phone and CA at the same time…TP sorry couldn’t be bothered replying so lover boy responded for me,I have a sore foot and walking up the stairs at that time was too much effort! Im here now though if you want to biff and barg!
mmmm,under u Wheelnut just the way U like it ……….hahaha
Here you are TP ……..Wiki at their best
Read what they say on my M3 that has 3.2 litre, 236 kw cause its 1998.
“”North American models
The first E36 M3 to be imported to the United States was the 1995 model, which received a 3.0 L engine with 240 hp (176 kW) and 305 N•m (225 ft·lbf) (S50B30US),a different suspension and a 0-60 time in about 6 seconds. This coupe has a 3.0L 24-valve DOHC straight six-cylinder engine, available in 5-speed manual and automatic transmissions.
BMW also produced somewhere between 200 and 320 M3 Lightweights also known as the M3 Momentum (only 180 made it to the US). These were reduced weight versions of the model intended to be used both on the road and on the track. It was about 100 to 200 pounds lighter than a stock M3 with many of the car’s features removed, such as sound deadening, radio, air conditioning, leather seats, and sunroof. Other extras that came with this version included an extendable front splitter, strut tower brace, x-brace, aluminum Doors and hood. It could also be fitted with a dual pickup oil pan however, BMW AG stipulated that fitting the dual pickup GT oil pan to the car would void the warranty.
The 1996-1999 model years had displacement bumped up to 3.2 L, with 240 hp (176 kW) and 320 N•m (236 ft·lbf) which is the same S52B32US engine used in the early M Roadster and M Coupe. The manual gearbox remains a 5-speed despite the European versions being upgraded to 6-speed. The 1996+ model is known for being more difficult to tune for performance, due to slightly smaller intake manifold runners and more complicated electronics (OBDII). It was also available as a sedan starting in model year 1997, and as convertible in 1998. Production of the sedan was halted in 1998, while the other models continued until 1999.
US sales figures include a total of 18,961 coupes (including 180 Lightweight versions), 7,760 sedans and 6,211 convertibles[5].
hahaha…………….then on another section of the same page they same same engine has 239..der,still wrong!!!!!!!!!
SEE BELOW………
“”1992-1999
71,242 built [2]
Body style(s) 4-door sedan
2-door coupe
2-door convertible
Platform BMW E36
Engine(s) 3.0L 286 hp (213 kW) I6
3.2L 321 hp (239 kW) I6 (1996)
Transmission(s) 5-speed automatic
5-speed manual
6-speed manual
Wheelbase 106.3 in (2700 mm)
Convertible: 106.7 in (2710 mm)
Length 174.5 in (4432 mm)
Lightweight: 178.0 in (4521 mm)
Width 67.3 in (1709 mm)
Sedan: 66.9 in (1699 mm)
Height 52.6 in (1336 mm)
Sedan: 53.7 in (1364 mm)
Curb weight 1460 kg (3219 lb)
Convertible: 1560 kg (3439 lb)
Related BMW 3-Series
How ’bout I get on Wiki and state that a stock Camry can do 2.5secs 0-100 same as the almighty Veyron? Sort of stuff you’ve been seeing Wheelnut, lol?
Would that up Wiki’s integrity a bit?
hahahaha………that is gold Watto…….told THEM…TP and his Holden version !
Is John a NZ-er…….or Senator?
That comment will be removed,you have nothing to say thats intelligent then don’t bother.
John, are you dissing Wheelnut because he’s been propping Ford and you are a Holden man? If that is the case, you couldn’t have it more wrong.
Wheelnut is a red-blooded Holden man, but like some other enthusiasts on this site, can appreciate another marque’s technical acheivements.
He just doesn’t have a lot of time for overly-biased Toyota supporters. Correct me if I’m wrong Wheelnut.
Spot on Watto – I mean if it wasnt for FORD I wouldn’t be able to by my new HOLDEN ute.
No point replying because its posts will be deleted.
What ute are you getting Wheelnut?
They sure did get your M3 wrong BM ;-)
:prod wiki:
Watto the guy is very sad………..CA will delete the posts so we may as well speak among ourselves,Wiki hahaha yep real factual hey! So you looking forward to owning a 12 sec car?? Especially that is one so drivable! What colour you looking at Watto!
I’m guessing that most people on here calling others corksuckers either do that themselves, or are 12 year olds. Grow up for god’s sake. This a car forum, not what you guys have turned this into.
Bavarian Missile: Which power output is your M3? Sounds like a great car (been on here a few times, heard you mention it before)
“Duck.are you saying you would rather drive an old clunky 4 speed auto matched to a rough V6 than drive a nice smooth 5 speed auto matched to a lovely smooth grunty I6 ? You are a tool !!!! Isnt Berlina supposed to be a luxury model?”
ARRRRRRRRRRR! F6 310, i think you are the tool mate! The commodore 4 speed auto is suprisinly smooth for a 4 speed, actually its quite impressive! The omega feels very strong and quick even though the official times dont say so (and its a four speed auto!)! The berlina is a model in the VE series line up because, some people will fork out an extra 4 grand for not a base model with more extras. I wouldnt call it a luxury car F6 310, i wouldnt call the G6 a luxury car either!
“i agree bret, i love my fords but atleast i can be objective, duck is such a flog….lmao.”
Ha ha ha ha! SHAKER, you’re really an idiot. Dont just think i would prefer a Berlina over XT, because other people would too! It’s silly to compare the XT to a Berlina, you should compare a Omega to a XT. And SHAKER you’d prefer a XT over a Berlina because you’re a die hard ford lover! Youd probaly prefer (and compare) an XT over a Calais V! And thats what you call SAD!
ive even found mistakes on TP’s other favourite quote book “redbook”
who the hell lives by an internet guide?
if you dont know, then you dont know. SIMPLE.
dont go around and do a 30 second web search to make your self seem credible in the search for some one-up-manship, because your favoured sources will let you down sooner or later
i was just on the Warner Bros site and its quite clear that tall buildings can be lept in single bounds.
it must be true
WOW,
first time ive ever heard the old commy 4sp called impressive.
perhaps there is a regular contributer to Wiki in the house, because thats top shelf knowledge there
Watto: I’m planning to get a 6 Speed SS-V in either “Karma” [a neon blue colour; similar to an M3] or White
AW………she is a 1998 Individual……so is 3.2 litre 10 years old and still kicks most modern day V8s arse. 6 speed and close ratio {still low ks}. Wheelnut went for a run in her when he was here last week and said”ALL car manufacturers CEOs need to drive an M3 too see what real passion is about in cars {he had a big smile on his face when she went down 2 gears}…she howls without much effort,I think he loved it when you down change from 4th to 2nd up a hill and she cracks 4000 rpm and has another 3500 to pass what you want with ease!
Individual cause of her colour………only 3 in Australia the same.
Next model up from her was E46 and had 250 kws…the last of the I6 M3s!
hahaha…just read Andrews post on Warner Bros….hahaha
your a crackup!
I have to ask Duck, have you driven a BF XT? I’ve driven an XR6 (same donk as XT) and a VE Omega. Quite a different experience, the huge torque from the I6 in a heavy family car makes a huge difference. How hard you have to accelerate. How easy towing is. How smooth it is.
You really must try both to compare.
Holden are on a good thing atm with the Chev V8. The alloytec6 tho is pretty average, maybe the DI version will be much better.
Wow, now that is what i call a nice car and individual to. Very Lucky. The BMW I6’s are great engines, they sound good, and they have decent power outputs. My relatives have an ‘04 525i and an ‘07 X5 3.0D. Both nice cars, pity I didn’t have the money for one. I am due to replace my Berlina this year, and I wouldn’t mind buying German, but it wouldn’t be a BMW, Audi or MB. I would like to Buy the VW Passat. Nice car, much better than my Berlina
FPV oughta export the F6 to the uk. Its definately a world class performance car that punches well above its weight, the poms would love the bang for their buck. And it would out perfom and undercut in price the gm hsv gts/vauxhall vxr8. It would become a cult hero car in the uk.
Duck,
do youself a favour and head over and check out Drives review of the omega and XT.
its only the SS that comes close to winning any of the comparisons.
the 6cyl versions are all eaten alive due to the falcons far superior engine and tranny set up. and thats before you get into interior quality
Haha, good one Andrew.M.
Yep, seen BM’s Beemer on the Forum, sweet colour.
SSV huh Wheelsnut? Whew, I was afraid you’d say SV6. That’ll have some serious stonk. Holden utes do look great with the single stamp side. Gotta be V8 tho. Good choice mate.
Andrew.M, when I said “haha” I was having a chuckle over the superman reference ;-)
Hey AW .depending on your age I would go BMW or Audi………. Nothing wrong with the local makes but a warning ..once you have experienced Euro,its hard to go back!
I think if BMW made a Ute, WHEELNUT,would buy one! If you live in the West more than happy to help you locate a good BMW and give you some advice on makes and models!
just dont go the rolla cover though Wheelnut
anyone seen a good coulor on the XR utes?
im still undecided.
ive always liked EGO in the BF series but their are another couple on the list i reckon look the part.
i havent seen the FG in EGO yet
So would I BM, but because it is leased through work, it has to be VW if it is going to be Euro. I have had enough of local cars had them for the past 10 years, and want a bit of a change. My current car is a pain, and my other car, a Subaru, runs like the day we bought. Therefore I only want imports from now on. A friend has a Golf GTI and it is a magnificent car. Just stunning
Andrew M, the Omega doesnt have bad interior material quality. The only fault in interior quality was there were some carpet buckles of the vertical rear seat (were it joins to seat).
What wrong with the rolla cover Andrew.M? Not realy into utes so I don’t know much about it.
I’m guessing you would sacrifice some room behind the cab?
“Duck,
do youself a favour and head over and check out Drives review of the omega and XT.”
Andrew M, i already did look at it before you did. remember i gave you the connection of the website review at the XT falCon article?
Quote BM: I think if BMW made a Ute, WHEELNUT would buy one…. An M3 Ute; Fork Yeah!
Andrew M The best colour I’ve seen on the New XR Utes is a Lagoon Green similar to that on the Limited Ed Rip Curl ute
Breeze
Andrew M;
Great to see humour, some of the other boneheads have no humur (pardon the pun) and are floored.
Dash is the dark metallic green similar to Holdens “Hot House” green, like on the Enforcer XR8.
Breeze seems to be almost halfway between blue and green. One of the XR6’s at my local dealer is in that colour and looks damn good to me.
Actually Iam like the whole colour range as appears to be a lot of effort going into selections. And it seems to be more then just OK!
Hey NM, you missed out on the child calling all of us ####suckers.
wow big jump from 6.1 to 5.5, well motor and drive seem to get the same times out of the ss-v 5.4-5.5 and the xr6t 5.1-5.2. I can also say the the hsv e series could hit 4.96 quoted by hsv but obviously there is no empirical evidence to support that claim as with your ba gt which is 0.6 of the pace and the gts is less than 0.3 of the mark. There alot of variables firstly the temperature, wind, humidity, and the driver reaction time etc. enough said, whatever you believe is right.
Watto but I won’t be going for the optional Colour Coded Dash that’s just too much or; as BM says too dickie.
wheelnut wait till series 2 active fuel mangement:), they should bring the colour fusion back similar to ignition
SS V ute you are getting Wheelnut is it?
Watto all the info [pros/cons] of a Roll-A-Back Tonneau cover vs a Normal Hard Tonneau Cover is on http://www.quig.com.au
There is also an image which shows you how much space you lose etc.
I like the rolla cover as its remote controlled and can be locked in various positions plus simply rolls outa site if u have to carry any tall items
Whereas if you have any items which stick up above the top of the tray and you have a hinged hard tonneau cover BY LAW you must take the cover off as it blocks your view
^There a good idea Wheelnut theres a guy in a magazine (cant remember which one) that owns a VU Holden Commy ute in silver with it and its called “ice”.
Yep, as I guessed. Nice option to have and made in Oz :-D I guess it depends on your needs.
The f6 is looking like an amazing car, it IS a dissappointment that there is no premium FPV car that takes the best of the G6ET interior to REALLY create a Senator rival that would be the undisputed understated luxury and sports car, I can’t understand why FPV can’t see the potential.
Senator – a number of my mates work at the factory and I have seen the various colours will be available on the series 2.. ignition is staying as its still quite popular the only other new colour I would consider is vivid which is a purple similar to that on th HRT Maloo
Yeah Duck an SS-V.. BMs Brother took me for a blast in his when I was staying with HER in Perth last week which convinced me that I Just Want One
A couple of months ago [in a Ute magazine - strangely enough] I saw a ute with a hard tonneau cover which had a border collie on it – facing the car behind you; and when you select reverse the dogs eyes light up
do you remeber the colour fusion it was present during the hsv e series, then all of sudden it was gone, nice colour. I think it’s the same colour on the pontiac g8 gxp concept.
Any more new things you might know of when series 2 comes out? will they got rid of the red top screen for the ss-v and get hsv binnacles just like the ssz and cv8z had.
And the binnacles should match the trim and dash instrutments for example red blue orange or grey background for the binnacles and in the case of a hsv it’s obviously white which matches the DASH instrutments. I think for the cv8z, ssz it came in orange, grey, red, and light blue depending on the colour of the car.
Fusion was the Sunset Orange colour Holden used specifically for the CV8-Z Monaros to make them stand out
Big Jim wrote: “FPV oughta export the F6 to the uk. Its definately a world class performance car that punches well above its weight, the poms would love the bang for their buck. And it would out perfom and undercut in price the gm hsv gts/vauxhall vxr8. It would become a cult hero car in the uk.”
My thoughts exactly Big Jim. Have Ford Australia ever exported the Falcon to Europe?
Have you considered the Mondeo Andrew? UK Autocar magazine rate the Mondeo above VW Passat. I live in NZ, the FG Falcon hasn’t been released here yet. I’m interested to know how the new FG compares with the Mondeo in terms of build, ride quality and refinement.
They look F*****g mean!
Ford GT,
you cant beat the falcon for ergonomics and comfort.
just a couple of weekends ago i jumped in the FG and mondeo back to back.
the falcon seats are (and always have been) unbeatable for comfort and quality.
even the so called “european design” in the mondeo seats arent even a drop on the falcons.
my mate gave me a lift the other week in his VZ ute, and i would say you would find more comfort in EF falcon seats
Watto,
the rolla cover has been around for a while now.
you lose length and width of the tray opening.
you wont realise how much space you have lost until you are craving that extra 100mm.
Wheelnut,
i suppose it told you on the rolla cover site that by LAW you must remove the hard cover if it obstructs your view?
does that also mean that you can not carry loads higher than your rear screen because they also obstruct your view?
Andrew M, does your mate think the same thing about the seats? Or did you tell him what you thought too?
^Stop lying so much Andrew M! How can EF Falcon seats fill more comfortable, than VZ’s?
There’s a age difference!
As I stated earlier I have to replace my VZ. I actually don’t find it that comfortable. I said I would only buy an import, and not buy another Australian car. I will change that, I won’t buy another Holden. I have been a huge Holden fan for as long as I can remember, but really, Holden pick up your game. I actually don’t mind the new G6E and I will probably buy that or a Passat. Also rather fitting that my anti-spam word was Daewoo, just like Holdenwoo
No Andrew M: a highway patrol officer mate of mine told me that if you have the hard tonneau cover up whilst in motion you could get pulled over and issued an infringement notice on a technicality – of impaired vison
I guess it depends on whether or he/she has met his/her quota
Not only that but if left up the hard tonneau cover could make contact with low tree branches break and cause damage/injury
whereas you can still carry loads which are taller than the tray [44 gallon drums etc] as you can/should arrange the load in such a way so that you can still see out the back which is why a standard soft tonneau or the roll a back is more suitable
Duck – in terms of comfort and support age has nothing to do with it. It all depends on the design; its ergonomics and functionality
I mean the seats in BMs M3 are a lot more supportive [both lateral and lumbar]and comfortable than those in a lot of more modern cars including Fords and Holdens – as they are a classic design [similar to that of Recaros] – perfect for a performance car.. whereas those in a number more modern cars; including XR8s and SS’s I’ve been in are more like church pews
Wheelnut,
well i ask what is the difference between someone with their hard cover up versus the impaired vision inflicted by an “XL” tray body, or a refrigerated container on the back of a ute?
hard covers dont stick all that high when thy are open.
if you are at risk of wiping it out on a tree branch, then your roof is also at risk of being wiped out.
i do agree though that if you are using your ute for serious work/carrying, the hard tonneau can pose limitations.
but in saying that, the rolla cover also restricts load carrying ability.
the soft tonneau is the most practical. anything other than that is just for a pose.
ive thought of getting a hard cover before, but i think it would annoy the hell out of me.
a rolla cover would too.
I hope ford ditch the high tech boss engine for a lighter push rod v8 5.0,i will wait 2 more years for this as i said before ford can do better.Fords xr6t is the new king,but i hope that will change in 2010.I own a ba xr8 but i must wait for the new v8 or trade it for a turbo, until then ford needs a new v8 to match hsv and they know it.
WHO CARES………..V6′S AND V8′S AND BIG CARS ARE ON NOSE AS PUBLIC PRICE CONSCIOUS!
PETROL AND CONSUMPTION!
I dont care about paying 1.50 a litre for fuel,if i did id be riding a nifty 50,and 6 and 8s are not on par as far a performance goes in 2008.Holden are going bigger,ford are going smaller in v8 cubes.Ford need to ditch to high tech v8 for a lighter one we need less weight over the front wheels its a fact.They will ditch both 6 and 8 in 2 years so its best to wait before handing over 45k.
Seems like you are in shrnking minority as big cars on slide and less new big cars getting sold!
senitor i never said the coupe 60 was ugly i said the front spoiler was ugly witch is personal opinion.
as for the fg only getting 4 stars in motor guess what the xr6 got 5 stars the ve has only managed 4 so the falcon must be more world class than the VE.
as for the new gt it was quicker around a track than any other cars witch includes the ssv so it can’t be to bad.
and as far as me being ford bias that ain’t true i just hate the ve with a passion because of the falcon shaped front lights the the stupidly oversize flared guards and the crappy tec v6 IMO the Ecotec was a better engine, but i love all commodore before that and most old Holden’s.
and the hsv 6.2L cant be that great of an engine when the 224kw mustangs in America are almost as quick as the new hsvs and the only a 4.6L v8 granted they weigh less just like the new hsv’s and the ssv’s do to the fpv’s.
and for the record i hate the new side stripes as well but love the new bonnet sticker makes the gt look tuff
and i didn’t say that the new hsv looks like a omega i said that you could make the omega look like an hsv just like you can make an XT look like a F^or GT and if hsv go to the coupe 60 vent that will be grate
Who cares? Ford needs to get its act together quick before i jump ship and it wont be to holden,i must say i like the look of audi rs4 small,light not too big and a 4.2 v8 that revs to 8000rpm.But i would have to pay well over 50k for that baby.
Big cars on the slide in australia? lol at nm,more like fords v8 performance is on the slide,its all about the 6 turbo for now but i hope that will change with a v6 and a new v8.Big cars will always sell here,but i need more power and less weight over the front wheels get it?
NM,
your minority stakes are wrong.
just ask holden how much their V8 sales are increasing…
and ford their turbo 6 range……
Andrew M, can you answer my question about the seat thing?
Andrew M, you are right holden’s V8 range is increasing so is ford’s I6 turbo range. Even with higher petrol costs, you’d think it would affect the sales (especially holden’s V8’s mainly!).
duck just because a car is new don’t mean the seats are more comfortable for example my old mans vs Calais seats a fantastic but when i first bought the Escort we couldn’t believe how much more comfortable than a car from 1995 and it was made in 79 and then a friend of mine has an XW falcon wagon and there even better
You’re joking about the seats aren’t you Duck? I found the seats in a ‘78 Cortina more comfortable than in an EB Falcon or VS Commodore. Newer isn’t always better by a long shot.
Actually ive changed my mine, come to think of it. The seats in VT and/or VX commodore i find are more comfortable than in a VZ. But they both can’t compare to a VE though.
commodore seats are too stiff.
thats my complaint
in the VZ its like they have a whole lot of humps and lumps going on, but they dont do jack.
Though Andrew M the VE seats are large improvement!
And the apparently shapeless and short-cushioned pews in a Citroen DS are just…Heaven :) (while we’re bring up old car seats)
I think after sitting in mates Monaro that seats in it make you feel like your sitting on top of them and not sculptured into them. My BF Falcon is similar and more serious homework has to go into the scupltured body hugging attributes of seats!
Then a mates Mercedes has wicked seats as banana leaf stuffing into it and is real stunning feel. Comfy, supportive and can sit in it for ages easy!
Duck,
am i still a liar in suggesting it is possible for an older vehicle to have the more comfortable seats?
No………..not really.
Anti-Spam word FPV. HA!
Andrew M, though did you tell your mate about the VZ’s seats? Your thoughts that the VZ’s seats aren’t comfortable and EF Falcon seats are more comfortable, did you tell him your thoughts?
no i didnt Duck.
and you know why? because i have respect for each others preferences.
he is a real holden fan and we just have digs at each other all the time.
he wouldnt have admitted it anyway ha ha ha ha ha
the funniest thing for him is that his father inlaw is a big ford nut and currently has an XR8 ute.
he quietly tells me that the XR8 is a bloody nice rig though. especially since the one he has now has the ZF6 in it
i dont have anything against you Duck, but i strongly feel that sometimes you let your bias really get in the way to a point where it sometimes becomes denial.
Oz used to be the same but for the blue oval.
he admitts now that he is a little more open minded than he used to be
Yeah noticed that with OZ as one cant out and out support one car maker enmasse across board as not every car in a car makers range is best in field. Seems to me some people think that that is not the case = a real joke and a laugh heaps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And there a heap who have tunnel vision and cant see outside on car maker bubble! Iam passionate about cars! Not one car maker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that is “cant see outside one car maker bubble they were weaned up on as a kid”
yes i know what you mean NM it like senator telling me I’m one eyed but the troth it i just don’t like the ve cars are meant to improve over the last and the ve would have if not for thoughts ugly flares but i love the look for the wagon and the Statesmen i mean the first cart i owned was an LC coupe but i sold it because i couldn’t afford to fix it to put it on the road so i got a VB commodore( witch are my second favorite commys next the the VS.)
Andrew M, I’m not bias but I just wondered if your mate agreed and told the truth if he thought the same as you, thats all.
Andrew M, every time I pass a VY Commdore parked to a BA Falcon (just using parked to for noticing difference), i feel the BA was ahead on the design department (exterior)(my opinion interior was/is very close between the two) it just looked evolutionary compared to the VY but the VY still looked good but not as good if you know what I mean? I also think sometimes the VZ would have been/looked and compared to the BA equally (because newer not like VY). Though it’s the opposite if you compare an AU Falcon to a VT/VX Commodore though.
Duck,
did you know that the BA and VY came out in the same month of 2002?
how can they not be a perfect comparo.
interior stakes?
sorry, feel ford has had it pretty much forever.
the VE great improvement though, only to be let down by its always complained about cheap plastics, and the fact that the FG interior now leaves no doubt for supremacy
Look Andrew M you know ford falcon interior isn’t perfect either?
I know the BA and VY was released at the same time but here im saying this………..
Exterior looks between:
VY/BA = BA
VZ/BA = Both
I’m saying if the VZ was introduced at the time of VY released the BA and VZ would look equal in exterior design, but VY and BA doesn’t. Ford did a good job with the BA. It was a big turning point for them, from the hideuos AU.
as far a VY VZ a felt the VX was a nicer car because the VY VZ looked similar to the Magna at the rear there interior was a huge step up with the VY from the VX but the ba had it better and the VZ wasn’t much of a change then they went to VE wich was a bigger step up but then came FG shame about the styling of the VE (my opinion only end of story.)
but as far as a car as a hole goes the BA destroyed the Vy’s and Vz’s then the VE closed the gap and the FG made it bigger again.
“but as far as a car as a hole goes the BA destroyed the Vy’s and Vz’s then the VE closed the gap and the FG made it bigger again.”
EscortGhia, please dont say “the FG made the gap bigger again”. You dont know yet it might it may not! It hasnt yet so don’t say it, before the fact!
And are you talking about the car (car test) or car sale?
everyone who has driven the car has said its a much better car than the VE Fact its Australia’s most refined car in everyday duck that dose not mean the ve is a bad car all together the only engine the ve has going for it is the v8 the Toyota v6 is a better engine than the holden v6 but fords I6 trumps them all.
i was talking about the car test not the car sale’s
Escort, how does the I6 trumps the Aurion’s V6? From statistics the 2G-FE off the Aurion with 500cc less has more power (though less 40nm torque), more efficient, more smooth (test driven a BF before I bought the Aurion).
But I do agree with the VE’s 6er its below either car and not to mention the interior…
And I agree with Duck, the FG is not out yet so you cant make the comparo yet.
Although Ive been in one at the Motorshow, i was mildly impressed (carries over from BF), the only thing that caught my eye (and my butt lol) was the leather seats.
I had a look at a G6E this morning, and bloody hell it was nice. Well built, comfortable, better than a VE and Aurion. I think my money is going to Ford. So much better than a VE, and cheaper than the Calais V for the same equipment. Holden, wake up, and build something that is good. The FG left it for dead. I then had a look straight after the FG at a Calais V, and it didn’t seem anywhere near as good. I have always been a Holden man, but I have changed my mind.
every one knows that the ford I6is the best 6 you can get in an Australian made car joober so what it has less power what 5KW but it’s the way it deliver the power that makes it the best, you take it out to hilly arias and the falcon will be more fuel efficient because it don’t have to rev hard to get its power.
and why is everyone so upset with carry over BMW has done it for like 20 years and people think there e revolutionary design aether way it is a much better car looking car that the Aurion, (witch is a Camery with a nicer front.) and is a perfect contender to the VE alto i like the FG better but that personal preference.
With the new F6’s performance similar to an M3 and being almost 3 times cheaper, I reckon this is definitely gonna be a classic car. i quite like the whole new graphite-like “eye pieces” around the lights. Looks mean and musclely.
I have always been a ford man so are my brothers are my Sister and nieces are Ford Girls, i ran a XB UTE with a 460 BB for 10 years, then got a XR8 Au UTE then the BA XR8 UTE, i’d pretty much get into a punch up to back up my love for the Ford,
Until i hoped into my mates 6LTR GTO manaro 2 years newer than my BA but Twice the grunt, so i went to redcliff auto tune and performance and spent 8 grand on headers new computer a shift kit and a 4 grand job on the HEADS, the gto still hosed me, anyway i now live in Dubai and they dont make The Aussie ford range here, so i went out and spanked a wad of cash on a 2008 SS they call them a lumina over here, and ok this is the problem, the only thing i can say i hate about the SS 6ltr, it’s the rev limiter!! if your in your Ford and driving it through the gears as you do, if you hit the limiter it bounces ofF it but you dont lose power, this stupid chev when you hit the limiter the motor dies you lose power and in the auto you can’t slap second gear and keep the wheel spin,i was dead set off the BA because of the sluggish take off up to 3000 rpm and if they have fixed that up i will erase the fact i brought a chevy out of my memory and and buy a new GT when i return to OZ, but come on lets get our Street fords up to the specs of the HSV. CHEERS
Autocar NZ has just recorded a Blistering 0-100 time of 4.86 sec for the F6 ! holy crap that is fast.
Yes, 4.86 seconds on the dragstrip. The same magazine also recorded a 80 – 120km/h time of 2.65 seconds for the F6.
WOW,
then that makes it the first indepedantly tested sub 5 second aussie car!!!!!!
I’m not surprised about the 4.86 time. I guessed the new F6 would get it long before it was first tested and I knew there was something wrong with the times Wheels and Motor got. In this test with Autocar NZ, they must of controlled its launch a lot better and that’s the time they got.
Just read the full review from Autocar NZ. It was a all-rounder performance comparo between EvoIX, Audi S3 and F6. The got 4.99s on a normal road for the F6.
Then they visited the Fram Autolite Dragway. They got 6.66secs (spent most of its time sideways but S3 and Evo suffered too despite AWD) then decided to use the other end of the strip to start from where there was some grip. *BOOM* 4.82s (not 4.86)
oops EvoX not EvoIX
The mag also said the FG F6 is the first Aussie production car it has tested that has achieved a sub 5 second time, which is saying something because NZ Autocar has raved about the VE since it was released in NZ last year. To the point where I was beginning to think that the publication should be called Holdenz monthly.
In october NZ Autocar they test the F6 and it does 0-100 k.p.h. in 4.82 seconds and 80-120 in a remarkable 2.64 seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few issues back in a comparo between GTP and R8 (the GTP is $1k cheaper in NZ)they also got 80-120 in 2.95s for the GTP. Heres what they had to say:
“It scored a G6ET equalling 5.28 (0-100)…the best figure we’ve achieved from a production Aussie V8 to date…..80-120 in 2.95s…anything that gets into the 2s is wickedly quick” .”Get it to 3500rpm and it explodes into action”
“[The R8 doesn't have] the emphatic boost of bravado the Boss displays when its on cam” R8 0-100 in 5.30 & 80-120 in 3.17. …R8 felt slower”
“GTP 15.1L/100k v R8 18plusL/100k”
“LS3 is starting to show its age”
“THE VERDICT…If forced to choose, it would be the FPV for its superior powertrain, but you’d be mad not to drive the F6 before deciding”
NZ Autocar do the performance testing properly, by using a Vbox and 98RON fuel.
The article that compares the FPV GTP with the HSV R8 also said that only 25 cars have been able to accelerate from 80 – 120 km/h in under 3 seconds and they’re not all production cars. Extremely impressive figures for a humble family saloon!!!
Yeah FPV definately has a winning range with serious bang for your buck. The F6 is about level 0-100 with the HSV W427, and according to wheels w427 does 80-120 in 3.1s, shows it lacks the mid range punch of the FPVs.
Like many other Falconites, I wonder what the F6 might do if it had bigger and better rubber. Consistent 4.8 – 4-9 0-100 times? The F6 must be close to achieving a 12 secondish quarter mile
Big Jim, I find it hard to believe that the W427 with that gargantuan 7L engine can’t break into the 2s in the 80 -120 km/h range.
Previous to FG GTP i had BF GTP no problem’s with BF , FG a nightmare