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Responsible drivers cause more accidents than hoons: report

By Brett Davis |

According to Professor D’Arcy Holman of the Road Safety Council of WA, hoons cause less crashes compared with more responsible, low-risk-taking drivers. He says it’s the majority that matters when it comes to the road toll and says the majority includes drivers that take low-risks on the road, such as those who frequently exceed the speed limit by only a little bit.

Prof Holman says it’s a myth that hoon drivers cause the worst havoc on the roads. He says general drivers who go over the speed limit on a regular basis cause around 3000 fatalities and serious accidents every year, whereas hoon-related accidents account for a smaller number of the overall road toll. He said in a recent The West Australian report,

“We certainly don’t want anti-social hoon behaviour on our roads but it’s the less conspicuous speeding behaviour of the general public that really matters in terms of safety outcomes. We need to target not so much the high-risk behaviour by a few but go after the majority.

“Hoon drivers massively increase their risk of a crash but the bottom line is not many people do that whereas you have many drivers going over the limit, which even by 5km/h doubles the risk of a crash.”

It’s certainly an interesting angle, especially as hoon drivers are typically regarded as the biggest contributor to the road toll as they are the easiest to target.

Prof Holman says figures from Main Roads show drivers have slowed down in the past ten years. In 2000, around 13 percent of drivers frequently sped by 10km/h or more. Last year, that figure was six percent.

He says the speed camera was probably the main cause in the reduction of speeders as motorists eventually got tired of paying fines.


 
  • Yonny

    Ummm, so a larger group of drivers has more accidents than a smaller group of drivers? Wow, who would have guessed that?

    Sounds like another academic study founded on shaky assumptions and reaching obvious (and obviously biased) conclusions.

    And anyway, who said hoon drivers cause the most havoc? That is patently rubbish and reflective of a media beatup amid the moral panic over the road toll.

    • Grammar Nazi

      Yeah, and right-handed people kill more people than left-handed people.

      • tekkyy

        wow, CA headlines usually displays the subject rather than aim to stire

        anyway, I would like to know if the Prof intended to do this or is the media twisting the words and selectively quoting?

        whats next? drunk drivers cause less accidents?

  • m2m

    You’l probably find a lot of these ‘hoons’ are very attentive and can respond quickly to changes in driving conditions. The worst drivers on the road are the zombies who pull out and don’t accelerate, sit in the right lane on the speed-limit and brake down long slopes rather than just back off.

    • Lloyd

      Who said you could do more than the speed limit just because you are in the right lane?

      • chook

        no one said that….., they pull out for no reason and block the right lane. Its not their business to block traffic regardless …..they dont know why the person behind them is in a hurry , and whatever the law says its better to just let them go rather than blocking and causing road rage or a rear end crash . If theyre speeding then its up to the law to catch them and not up to nerds to block them . Sometimes people need to hurry , maybe they left the hotplate on , or left the house unlocked or its an emergency. There are valid reasons to hurry which are defendable in court .

        • Andrew M

          Are they real excuses that will stand up in court or are you trying to pass a poor excuse for not copping it on the chin that you had no real reason to speed.

          It is never legal to “hurry” under any circumstance unless you actually are an emergency vehicle attanding to a situation and you have your lights on.

          If you are wanting to prove Lloyds example as wrong you could have simply pointed out the law which states its illegal to be in the right lane unless overtaking.
          This law is very clear and makes no allowance for any speed a vehicle may be travelling.

          If you think its alright to “hurry” in the right hand lane, and Lloyd thinks its ok to hold the lright hand lane if travelling at the speed indicated in the red circle, then you are both breaking the law.

          Only thing is Lloyd can legally “hog” the right hand lane if the speed is below 90kmh (or is it 80kmh??)

          • Robert

            I’m not too sure a cop will let you go if you are 15 km/h over the limit but your excuse is you’re in the right hand lane, overtaking. you must go the speed limit, the point of overtaking is because the person infront of you isn’t going the speed limit, Lloyd is correct

        • http://CarAdvice Michael Todd

          Sorry i ran your child over, i was worried i had left the hot plate on officer.

          • drama queen

            What the hell was your kid doing planking in the right hand lane…..

        • Mariusz

          Have you ever read the sign, keep left unless overtaking?

  • Shak

    Wow, another study that comes to a conclusion that is well known. Simple facts really. Off course the larger group of motorists has more chance of causing an accident, but i would still rather be driving around with everyone sitting 4-5km/h above the limit than some idiot flying past at 40km/h over the limit. I dont think we should pay that much attention to this study. The Cops and the Government should still be targeting the real hoons, and not honest mums and dads just driving around.

    • Jimmy

      Sorry, but why shouldn’t we pay much attention to the study? It is confirming what you believe to be true, and being an academic study, governments and regulatory bodies can’t ignore it.

    • Andrew M

      Shak,
      the biggest thing is speed difference.
      When everyone is with in 5kmh of each other there is more reaction time. You wont get pinged for that either

      When there becomes a speed variation of say 10 -20kmh or more the margin for error is much less.
      A closing speed of 20kmh can easily change a safe judgement of space to a bad one in something like an over taking manouver

      • Trump

        The real dangerous drivers are the drowsy and inattentive drivers, but hey, there is no breathaliser or speed camera to pick those drivers up!

  • bold

    “In 2000, around 13 percent of drivers frequently sped by 10km/h or more. Last year, that figure was six percent.”

    means there are more traffic jams nowdays

  • Andrew

    I think Prof Holman makes comfortable living out of advocating speed limits and his opinions are as biased as opinions get. Besides… ‘Drivers who exceed speed limits a little’ – that would be 100% of road users, because speed limits on our roads are ridiculous, inconsistent and often just plainly, obviously wrong – largely thanks to people like Prof Holman.

    • Robert

      I completely agree, some roads are wide enough to land a jumbo jet yet they still keep the 50km/h speed limit

  • paulb

    So called hoons go to industrial areas on weekends when no one is there.The trend despite recent times is to larger more safer vechles driving slower in greater traffic kaos.
    The more you slow speed limits the less of a challenge driving becomes,less awareness,more 3+5+6 car fender benders.

  • Dave S

    Good study. I hope can be replicated so more people will take notice.

    My thought was when you hear of an accident or drive past the body shops – it is almost never a modified car. usually an SUV / 4×4 or some small hatch.

    There is much more to road safety than just targeting a few noisy drivers.

  • toxic_horse

    in the 90 zone on the F3 coming south. i would say 80% of cars are doing at least 10kph over the limit.
    If you obey the speed limit you are normally aggressively intimidated.

    • Deane

      Certainly not my experience, if you sit in the *left lane* and do 90, I’ve *rarely* been aggressively intimidated.

      If you sit in the middle or right lane and do 90, yeah you get told in no uncertain terms that you’re a dolt.

      • Leyianart

        True!

        People in Australia just have no clue what KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING means.

        What they do is sit on the right lane and force people to overtake them on their left.

        If I want do “speed” to overtake someone let it be, but stick to your left lane!

        • pcpg

          well said Leyianart!

          people think the right lane in australia is like autobahn “the so-called fast lane”. right lane exist mainly for over taking cars on the left, hence you speed up on the right lane to overtake cars on the left. then KEEP LEFT!

        • chook

          KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING is not enforced ….. so theres revenue to be made from that also . Seems theres issues of bias within the cops and theyre really not bothered to do theyre jobs properly !! . In Europe traffic blocking the overtaking lane is treated very seriously .

          • Andrew M

            It does get policed here, every now an then they hit it, but not often enough IMO.

            Its also a hard one to prove unless the police vehicle is also in the thick of the problem. But then if they are everyone behaves and gets scared and does 20K under and parks on the left

        • Robert

          when traffic gets quite heavy, i find every lane to be the same with no one treating the right lane as an overtaking lane but just a normal one, besides that, if someone is using the right lane and driving quicker than i’m going, it’s not a problem for me, much better than hanging 2k’s slower than the limit.

          • G

            I think there is also a problem with the amount of traffic on the roads. It’s no longer practical to overtake a vehicle on the right and then slot back into the left lane because the left lane is so full that there is no gap to slot back into. So you end up overtaking more than 1 car at a time and eventually this turns into right lane hogging. i.e. the right lane needs to be occupied to keep traffic flowing because the remaining left lanes can’t handle the amount of traffic.

  • Reckless1

    Pffft – everyone knows that sober drivers cause fewer accidents than drunks, and drug addled drivers cause even fewer.

    The real problem is that the slow-coaches get in the way of the better, faster, drunker drivers. Get rid of the slow-coaches, which will remove 95% of the traffic, and see how the road toll drops then.

    So There !!!!!

  • Reckless1

    Oops, that should read sober drivers cause more accidents than drunks – haha, too busy taking the pi$$ to pay attention.

    But then I am driving while I’m typing this on my laptop……

    • Jez

      Well they don’t call you Reckless1 for nothing!

  • toxic_horse

    the problem is so called responsible drivers are not as responsible as they think they are. Most have no idea what to do in a emergency .

    • Jo

      Yes I do, you call 000

      • aguy

        ok so you know about staying with injured people unless it puts your life at risk.

        and you know how to perform cpr if necessary localise bleaeding fractures all that do you.

        good work maybe you should pay more attention to things instead of relying on someone else to fix your problems

  • UMWHAT

    damn i didn’t know this, they should fine people driving responsibly

    • matt

      dont give commrade bligh idea’s

  • Golfschwein

    This is a more myopic focus on speed than usual. I would have thought a professor would go to some sort of trouble to explain risk multipliers like unlicenced drivers, drugs, alcohol, excessive speed for the conditions, texting, sneaking a right hand turn as the fourth car to go through on the red and so on…but no.

    The data is available. I’ve read it. It’s something like this: doing 64 in a 60 zone carries little real extra risk. But if you’re also texting, the chance of crashing increases 8 times. And if you’re doing both of those with 3 beers under your belt, the risk of crashing is 6 times greater again. Unlicenced drivers are most likely to do all of the above, cos that’s just who they are and how they roll, regardless of whether they’re at the wheel of a modded Skyline or 15 year old Suzuki Swift.

    But no…no mention of any of that. Only speed kills.

    • Andrew M

      64 in a 60 zone may seem to carry little extra risk, but the 60 zones are where things may spring out unexpectidly, than the focus changes to stopping distance and reaction times, not the ability to steer the vehicle at a certain speed.

      Of course texting is much worse because it actually takes your attention away from steering the vehicle.

      Saying 4kmh over is better than texting is hardly an excuse for not being able to stop those precious 2 metres sooner

    • aguy

      there are to many variable for speed to be a main contributing factor, instead of the literal take the lateral

  • laurie

    I wonder if he still drives a Ford Model T ?

  • Finding my way

    He appears to be suggesting that 3,000 crashes a year are caused by drivers exceeding the limit by a few km/h but offers no evidence to back that up. In other words, is he saying that those 3,000 crashes are caused by drivers exceeding the limit – I am not aware of any evidence to support that statement – or is he saying that those 3,000 crashes occurred at a variety of speeds (some over and some under the limit) but by drivers who have exceeded the limit at some point – in which case what evidence is he providing to support that assertion?

    I notice that the one question that is never answered by either the police or government is what percentage of crashes occur above the speed limit and of those how many are the result of alcohol or drugs or other factors. In the UK and USA, driving over the speed limit accounts for about 4-5% of crashes yet here in Australia no reports have been provided that give the same numbers for this country. Is that because the data does not exist or is it because the government does not want to reveal the real figures preferring to suggest that driving over the limit (speeding) accounts for anywhere between 30-40% of accidents.

  • acfsambo

    Most accidents are low speed crashes (bumper to bumper), while hoon crashes tend to be more spectacular. I would rather 10 fender benders than to be hit at over 100km/h by a hoon. Hoon accidents cause more collateral damage to life and property.

    The only way to reduce the death toll and accident rate is to regularly test drivers throughout there life (say every 5 yeas when they get their license renewed) and to have drivers trained more when they are learning to drive.

    • troy

      no.

      the only reason hoon accidents attract so much media is

      1. the sad young ages of the victims

      2. to divert peoples attention from the fact that more accidents are caused by SLOW drivers frustrating people.

      3. to blame modified cars, to defect them, raise money, and get younger people off the road.

  • Tom

    Is it just my memory playing tricks on me, or was the study that claimed that travelling 5km/h over the limit doubles your risk of a crash thoroughly debunked a long time ago? And if so, why is Prof Holman still quoting that figure?

    • Clio RS 200

      I find it strange that Rally Drivers are even alive…

      They travel on some roads that are 60 and they do 100km/s or even more.

      Who is this guy kidding?

  • Des

    How does exceeding the limit by 5% double the risk of a crash? This guy is hardly a professional with wildly inaccurate claims like this.

    • Clio RS 200

      Hahahahaha

      It’s unbelievable someone with a degree that earns 100k plus would say something as stupid as that.

      Hahahahaha

      • Andrew

        Unfortunately he earns 100k precisely for saying stupid things like that… that’s the problem.

  • midi

    LET THE HOONING BEGIN :)

  • R32 Boy

    The comment I like is anti social “hoon” driving.

    What I think they mean is socially unacceptable driving. From what I can gather is the kids out in the industrial areas and places like that are all in groups or with friends in the car. So to my reckoning hooning is a pretty social thing to do

    • Leyianart

      Be careful R32, because if you exceed by 5km the speed limit your chances of your R32 crashing is doubled.

      Hahahahaha

      Enjoy your drive my friend.

  • Leyianart

    ‘…but the bottom line is not many people do that whereas you have many drivers going over the limit, which even by 5km/h doubles the risk of a crash…’

    Hahahahaha

    Because you speed 5Km over the limit means you you double the risk of a crash!

    So they are telling us that their speed limits are the maximum fiscally possible.

    What in a car built in 1920 i might agree…

    Hahahahaha

    Is this guy serious?

    • troy

      mate, our roads are still made in 1920, even though our cars arent!

  • Valet Dabess

    hooning isn’t all about speed, some hoons drift. i seen this guy (a p plater) drift/ overstear around a corner. i thought he was going to lose control but he didn’t

    • MattW

      … and I’ve seen them drift across onto the other side of the road, making drivers there who are going about their driving in a completely legal manner have to take evasive actions to avoid a collision

  • troy

    every day, i get passed by p plate GIRLS in hatchbacks driving well over the limit. Yesterday a girl in a focus, about 19-20 years old passed me and left me, she would easily been doing 130kmh.

    funny thing is, here in townsville, NO ONE has any fear of being booked. Rarely do you see a speed trap of any sort.

    i just got back from a month in tassie, where people are terrified of being caught speeding. No one passed me when i was doing the limit, in a whole month!!! cant get away with that here in half an hour!

    also, hooning isnt about hotted up cars. I have allways had some form of modified car, and yes, ive been a hoon. But the majority of dangerous / stupid acts (hoonish) that ive seen over the years, have been performed by junior in mum and dads commodore, and generally standard crappy cars, not nicely modded examples.

    • G

      That’s because all the revenue raising equipment is down here in SEQ.

      • Peter

        Are you serious? I used to live in Townsville and there were cops EVERYWHERE. Pretty much every drive i did, i would drive past a mobile speed camera

    • MattW

      Agree with the kids in the old’s Commodore or Falcon. How many times do you see a news story where the P plater has hit a telegraph pole and killed and/or severly injured of the 5 other people they had crammed into the car…

    • JD

      people who modify their car tend to be more careful with it, that is if they spent $$$ on it

  • TRUTH

    If somebody goes faster than you then they are HOONS if they go slower then they are Jerks… Cant win really

  • Freddy

    So, if going 5kph over the limit increases your accident risk factor, then increase the speed limit by 60kph so the risk factor remains the same as you are not speeding.
    Figures don not lie ;-)

  • Daniel

    I agree with who ever said we need more regular testing. Also people need to be sent new road rules. In Queensland ” keep to the left only applies in 90km/h or above”. Backwards I know. Maybe they made the law so it’s not as easy for people to speed???

  • 571CKY 517U4710N5

    I like Troy’s comment about the shitboxes being the hoons. Notice in the Demo shot that a Commodore is hooning, and the nice 500hp cars are just chillin’? =P

    People go out in their nice cars and meet with others as a group of car enthusiasts at random carparks or where ever is convenient, not breaking any laws but are sitting ducks for cops and instantly labelled hoons by the highly uneducated general public.
    I used to go to these outings as a social thing to do and share our interest in cars but got tired of all the attention and yellow pieces of paper for minor defects!
    I now drive a standard Nissan Patrol and have never been looked at twice!
    It seems you can’t have a nice car without unwanted attention. Drive a completely defective rust bucket and never get pulled over, as long as it doesn’t smoke of course. ;)

    Just because you’re a pussy footed grump or air head who putts around under the limit and getting in the way of those who have places to go and things to do in certain time frames doesn’t make you a better, or even safer driver. It’s those who have a poor attitude (either aggressive or just plain retarded), don’t know where they are going, hesitate, don’t indicate, don’t check their blind spots before merging, tail gate, hold up the passing lanes when they are not over taking, drive around well under the speed limit, talking or texting on their phones, fixing their hair or just checking themselves out, don’t know the give way rules or can’t stay in their lanes who are the real danger. It’s not really speed that kills, it’s those who get in the way, so to speak.

    There’s a difference between stupid drivers and dumb drivers:
    STUPID is when someone is aware of the risk they are taking.

    DUMB, is the those who just don’t even realise what they are doing wrong. Oblivious to the danger they are putting them and others in simply because they don’t know the rules, only half their attention is on driving or just driving with the wrong attitude.

    As for SMART drivers… Well, have you ever met one? Everyone’s a hypocrite.

    Hoons are focused on driving and nothing else, this is why they are a smaller factor in the road toll than the general public who can’t JUST DRIVE!

    Most, if not all of what I have mentioned above is my own opinion based on my own observations through my own driving experience. Some parts may not be agreed upon to which those who disagree are free to perform sexual activities of the sucking nature toward my balls! (:

    • save it for the track

      defects are defects whether they be minor or major, if a car is modified contrary to the ADR’s without appopriate engineering certification, why shouldn’t it be defected.
      .
      I stp all kinds of vehicles, whether they be modified or not, and if a car looks unroadworthy, or a rustnucket as you put it, i’ll stop it, defect it, and ticket it. I also tend to check basic roadworthiness of ANY vehicle I stop, as well as asking to see the licence of all drivers, regardless of age, race, sex or skin colour.
      .
      I’ve also defected and ticketed ‘mum & dad’ cars when its appropriate. Too many ‘mum & dad’ drivers seem to have no clue about basics, like tyre pressures and wear. I stop any vehicle regardless of what it is or who may be driving it, and at night it’s a bit hard to see who’s driving a car until it’s stopped.
      .
      I’m not overly concerned about friends or those with like interests meeting up (legally), but when they start doing silly things like burnouts, and playing their music so that it annoys others (like local residents), that’s when there’s an issue. As with most things, it’s usually a minority that ruin it for the others. I’ve had many an amicable and productive conversation with ‘car enthusiasts’, who are often surprised that a cop knows the difference between an R32 Nissan and an R32 Golf, or what a sylvia is, or a 180sx, Toyota Soarer, or can appreciate a properly modified Corolla or similar with a classic 4AGE transplant, or a slickly modified Nissan with a properly sorted SR20 or FJ20. In my experience most people that are booked are 15 to 20km/h over the speed-limit and are driving average everyday run of the mill cars, and they know they are speeding. As others have said, it’s quite obvious that the majority of crashes would involve those not classified as ‘hoons’.

  • MattW

    Is this guy using the same methods that insurance companies use when they say young males have more accidents than young females (and then charge them more)? Yet when you look at accidents/kms driven, young males & young females were the same? Its just the fact that males drive more kms than females means the male accident total is higher.

    The total number of accidents may be lesser for “hoons” but thats because “hoon driving” makes up a tiny percentage of the driving that occurs. I’d also like to see the fatal accident count, bet its “hoons” first, daylight second there

  • PeterG

    Gee so if we fined the majority of careful drivers off the road then only the hoons would remain to kill each other.
    Maybe Prof is not that dumb afterall.

  • mick

    i’d just like to put out there, my and others safety is different when im in my 1997 falcon than when i am in the 2006 citroen; with the same reaction time, i my stopping distance on the citroen is at least half. should we ignore that fact that different cars handle and react differently?