2008 Ford Falcon Review
April 11, 2008 by Alborz Fallah
2008 Ford FG Falcon First Steer & Review
By David Twomey
Ford’s new FG Falcon is a huge step forward for the Blue Oval with improved vehicle dynamics, handling, performance and safety advances, the big question is will the buyers realise this or even care.
After close to 500 kilometres and a major two-day national media drive program in Central Victoria CarAdvice can say that this car is so much better in almost every respect than the already good BF II Falcon.
There’s just one problem, the looks of the car don’t convey the massive level of work that has gone on under the skin.
Sure, when you look at the detail of the design the FG is substantially different to the BF but the drive-by impression leaves you wondering if you are looking at an FG or a BF.
The standout impressions of driving almost every model in the range for me is the balanced handling, the new front suspension and the variable ratio steering, which make this a really sweet car to drive.
It’s balanced in almost every situation, although on rougher roads there is some rack-rattle through the steering, and the suspension of the XT, with its 215/60R16 tyres, does have to work hard to keep the car under control at the limit.
Not so the newest, and most identifiable member of the Falcon fleet the luxury performance G6 range. In basic form the car is really a dressed up XT with more interior luxury a sportier suspension and a ‘Mondeo’ nose that at least makes you realise this is a new Falcon.
The G6 and G6E are nice but the real sleeper is the G6E Turbo, which can only be described as a ‘concealed weapon’. This thing is seriously quick and the 270kW engine fairly hurls the car down the road – until your suddenly hit the factory fitted speed limiter at 200km/h.
Ford’s excuse: ” it’s needed to protect the transmission”.
Well come on guys, the same superb six-speed ZF auto gearbox is used in the XR6 Turbo, which is limited to 230km/h, and its also used in Euro brands that are capable of 250km/h+!
Swap to the similarly powered XR6 Turbo and at least you can hit 230km/h before the limiter steps in, but really these feel like 300km/h cars and we’d just love to have the opportunity to give one a blast down an autobahn.
In the XR range the real treat comes with the XR6 Turbo with the revised six-speed manual gearbox. You’ve just got to try the launch control – we did and it is manic.
Pop the car into 1st gear, floor the throttle and it will lock the revs onto 3500rpm, then dump the clutch and hang one!!
The car just rockets away from standstill and you are instantly grabbing second gear. One word of warning, don’t try it with the traction control turned off, unless you like axle tramp.
The new FG Falcon is more than just the performance models; it is a range of large family sedans that offer excellent levels of refinement, handling that will cope with almost any situation and sharp pricing.
Ford claims this Falcon is the safest car it has ever built and we’d certainly say it has excellent credentials, the final verdict will come when it gets tested by the independent safety authority, ANCAP, and Ford insiders have told CarAdvice that they are quietly confident it will become the first five-star safety rated Australian built car.
Ford President bill Osborne said that he was very confident about the safety rating for the new Falcon and defended the decision to offer only four airbags on most models, with curtain airbags a $300 option on all but the premium models.
The Falcon’s base 4.0-litre in-line six-cylinder engine is almost unrecognisable as the power plant from the BF and in cars like the XR6 it revs and barks with a sweet aggression than Holden’s asthmatic V6.
With 195kW, impressive real-driving fuel economy in the order of 9.0L/100km, in part thanks to the all-new French sourced five speed automatic gearbox the FG Falcon is a large car winner.
Interior space, the fit and finish of the trim and the roominess, including much improved rear seat ingress/egress due to a change in the shape of the rear roofline plus much wider opening doors have all served to overcome some of the often-criticised areas of the BF.
Suspension settings across the four options on offer from the base XT to the high performance XR6 Turbo and the one V8 that remains in the range the XR8 all offer levels of grip and handling that is first class.
A number of the cars we drove were on the optional 19 inch rims and even these provided a level of compliance and comfort, while exhibiting prodigious grip.
This is truly a car that can shade Holden’s VE Commodore, in fact I’d be so bold as to say it is definitely a better car, especially when you consider attributes like the standard five-speed automatic and the balanced, refined handling and ride.
2008 Ford FG Falcon pricing summary:
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon XT $36,490
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR6 $39,990
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR6T $45,490
- 2008 Ford FG FalconXR8 $45,490
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6 $39,990
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6E $46,990
- 2008 Ford FG Falcon G6ET $54,990
Options
- 6spd automatic transmission $1,500
- Egas $1,400
- XT 16″ alloys $500
- XR 18″ alloys $1,000
- XR luxury pack $5,000 ($5,400 on std XR6) inc leather, permium, dualzone, 19″ alloys
- G6 & G6E 18″ alloys $1,000
- G6ET 19″ alloys $2,000
- Techonolgy pack $450 inc blutooth and ipod intergration
Read more:
- 2008 Ford Falcon engine line-up
- 2008 Ford Falcon technology
*****PRIMO!*****
Do a review/report on the Falcon Ute too please
And the Mazda CX7! :-)
Cheers
F-0
Speed limiter, MUST be removed, WTF cuts in @ 200kmh, NOT having any of that.
The BIGGEST problem the FG faces is the looks, yes, it looks good, BUT its to similar to the BF.I suppose they run out of funds, the AU was a disaster so i suppose better wait for the FG2 Update with all new looks?
Cheers
F-0
Oh yes!!! This is what I’ve been waiting for!!! :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen: :D :mrgreen:
Sounds like it’s going to be more of a driver’s car – about time. Looking Ford to a drive :)
………Balanced, refined handling and ride
^^^^^^^^^^So the commodore hasnt got this either? He obvisouly hasnt drove the VE!
Very promising review and yes I’m looking Ford to drive one! LOL
Ford are saying FG will receive 5 Stars, this would have to mean all the air bags are going to be standard when it goes on sale. If not, the construction of the vehicle would have to be fantastic to receive that result without curtain air bags, unless ANCAP has a requirement that all cars must have curtain airbags to receive 5 stars.
realistically, what difference does it make it the car is limited to 200km/h? you can’t get close to that on our roads and whoever races these things in production racing will have the thing rechipped anyway, or at the very least remove the limiter…i’m not saying all cars should be limited, but i think 90km/h over our national speed limit is more than enough…if they didn’t have a limiter then even better, but 200’s is fine. plus, weren’t previous falcon’s with the 2-piece driveshaft limited to 180?
besides that, glad the car delivers on the way it drives…now, to find the $55k+ needed for the G6ET…
LOL Duck. He means the Balance, refinement and handling are even better than the VE Commodore! :P
Hey Oz., Is the only new falcon your are dissapointed in is the FG XR8?
Love it. Awesome car, styling is a bit of an issue in pictures, but when you see them on the road, you know its the new one. Definately looks way better in the metal.
This is truly Ford’s large WORLD CAR!!
Toyota……..is Anti-Spam word. I have a feeling TP is coming!
Yes Duck, G6E turbo over an XR8 for me any day!
One exhaust pipe on the XR8!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats sad ford………………………real sad!
As soon as Toyota “Thread Phucker” Paul sees this new article he’ll be disputing it and/or mentioning how Toyota has better reliability than Ford. etc
Needed to protect the transmission, eh?
So Bentleys, which do a whopping 326km/h, need protection for the ZF they use?….
I mean ford that the Holden SV6 has two exhaust pipes and your XR8 (which is a V8 not a V6) has only one!!!!!!!!!!!
The Holden SS has 4 exhaust pipes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The value, especially on upper spec cars is unbelievable. The XR6/G6E Turbo has got to be one of the performance bargains of the last 10 years!!
G6E Turbo or 4 Cyclinder import…… I’ll be keeping it Local thanks!!
The turbo six is clearly a terrific engine, and the FPV Typhoon version of the FG is going to become an all-time classic. It will be very surprising if the new V6 engine due in 2010 has a turbo version as effective as this, but here’s hoping.
That looks to be a really nice car.
That’s funny about the limiter, my 2000 Verada is limited to 210/220kph. I’ve never understood why they bothered with that, I mean if you have a crash at 200kph I can’t see you being much better off than if you were going 250kph.
Now we have some decent competition in the large car range. The thing that seems to stand out is the balance that the new FG has. I have read most of the reviews from all the journos in all the papers and the report is the same as Caradvice.
Conclusion for me is the VE Commodore is a show pony and the FG Falcon is a thoroughbred. This means the comparison between these two cars will start.
^^^^^^^^^^Just because there is a thing on the new falcon doesnt mean can bag the crap out of Holden. And by the way i dont see how VE commodores are showponies.
I still think Ford and Holden are level. The new FG isnt a step over the VE. The main thing the new falcon has over the VE is more kW, but doesnt mean it will be faster.
If u have a photo of the XT to Omega interior they both look up to level. The same if u compare it to each and every model in holden and ford’s line-up and the same with the exterior.
who’s this duck bloke? counting exhaust tips out the back of cars…. fingers crossed the facelifted VE will come with 8 exhaust tips for the V8s!! haha but seriously.
^^^^^^^^^^^Who’s this Brett bloke? Sounds like he knows nothing. By the way BRETT the commodore doesnt need to be facelifted, it looks good next to the new FG and its 2 years old! 8 exhaust pipes now thats stupid! I mean Brett 1 exhaust pipe that i really sad, for a V8. U obvisouly dont know alot about one exhaust pipe on a V8 struggles!
well i think with duck’s post it proves that VE’s are show ponies, The dual exhaust on the base model, thats just overkill. Plus the SS needs the 4 pipes to get close to the V8 rumble of the FORD.
Umm Duck the FG XR6 Turbo has the same power rating as the SS and yet its quicker than the HSV’s.
Yes we wish the XR8 was quicker but to get that sort of power out of an engine that more than half a litre smaller than the Chev V8 if a pretty good achievement.
The FG looks very different to the BF………..its just we have been looking at the BA|BF for so long any similarities in the FG stand out. It is a great body shape and will look more individual as they become familiar as we see them eveyday. The front of Aurion and VE asre very similar as well. So what if the V8 is a disappointment? Who would want a V8 Ford or Holden when you can get a sweet turbo 6 like this one? Well done Ford on only having one V8 model…….the turbo six is streets ahead. I compared the interior of VE and FG at the motor show……..VE interior is just black plastic crap and the ergonomics are woeful compared to FG…..that centre console in the VE is woeful !!!!! Then there is that stupid hand brake ……..what the hell is that about??? Power window swithes on the console ……..puuulease !!!!!
Reality is the new FG Falcon will make inrodes into the current sale numbers of the VE Commodore. From the leasing companies we deal with, they have been waiting for the new FG to replace some of their fleet cars. They have all the VE car they need. This is why I said the biggest loser in the big car market is the VE Commodore. It’s got nothing to do woth who has the best car.
I’m sure the exhaust diametre is tuned to perfectly compliment the engine and develop correct back pressure regardless of how many outlets it has.
The number of outlets in MOST cases is purely an aesthetic or styling cue and has little to do with the vehicle’s acoustic or performance details.
That said though (and this is going back a bit), the 253ci Holden V8 actually ran better with a single pipe where as the 308ci ran better with dual pipes. Perhaps the same theory applies to the Ford engine – one pipe may actually be improving it.
Glen, what dual exhaust pipe on the base model? There is only one!
Duck: Note, it’s not how many you have but how big it is.
drive said though the 0-100km time the G6E Turbo is 5.1 secs and i have got to say that is quite good!
Very good! And u all think im an one eyed holden fan. Holden will be making V6 turbos soon too, for the torana and possibly the commodore.
The G6E Turbo is the jewel in the crown. It looks great in the pic in that colour. The Calais V is also a very handsome car, although the I6 Turbo appeals to me much more than a 6.0L lump of lard over the front axle.
hahaha one exhaust pipe or 4 doesnt matter, it is the diameter u fool and how effective it is. The point of an exhaust and the way it performs most effectively is to get rid of gas in the most efficient and easiest way possible, that can be achieved with one pipe, just as easy as four. if not more effectively…..going back to the reference holdens are showponies…..puttin dual exhaust on a v6, yes it does look good, but can be now more or less effective thant he single pipe on fords. ford have reserved such looks for the performance models….. ie the GT….. as it has for the gt’s of the past! there is a reason ford fans love the gt, and that heritage is part of it.
can see this reaching well over a couple hundred post by knock off time
Best of luck to Ford – this car looks seriously good, seriously fast, seriously safe.
Lets hope the market agrees.
Whats fords competitor against the Caprice and Statesman? Becasue the Fairlane and LTD are gone.
What the fark is it with all the farken whingers “doesnt look any different.Only one exhaust pipe”
Shut the fark up for christs sake.
XR6T quicker than a HSV!
It could look like a farken Lada for all I care just give us the POWER!
The Blue oval is back so you better get out the farken way!.
EXTERIOR STYLING:
Holden Commodore Sedan and Ford Falcon- Even
Holden Commodoore Ute and Ford Falcon Ute- Holden Commodore Ute
Holden Commodre Wagon and Ford Falcon Wagon- Dont know because ill have to wait and see the ford falcon wagon. All though at the moment the Holden Commodore Wagon looks great!
harry, don’t forget that Holden’s six litre lump of lard is all alloy.
Falcon. The Great Australian Road Car!!!
Tony M comment was spot on. “VE Commodore is a show pony and the FG Falcon is a thoroughbred.”
Some comparisons I’ve heard of the VE styling is that it’s Holden’s version of the BA (and there are plenty of similarities) with the Torana A9X flares.
Probably the least flattering comment of the VE is that it looks like a fat kid with big ears or it looks like a bulldog with a punched in face.
Performance, Economy, Quality, Desirability, Handling, Modernity. FG has got it all.
The article’s closing paragraph says it all. “This is truly a car that can shade Holden’s VE Commodore, in fact I’d be so bold as to say it is DEFINITELY a better car.”
A couple pf things. There is not Ute driving impressions available yet because the media launch for the Ute won’t be held until early May. Ford has got to get as much publicity out of this as possible!
Just for the record I’ve driven every model of VE Commodore and all the HSV models so I stand by my comments about ride, handling, etc.
On the question of the speed-limiters I’d question the Ford excuse for them but have to agree in our speed-limit obsessed society they are in the realms of academic.
People who use the cars for track days will be frustrated in the XR6 Turbo and the G6E Turbo though as these are seriously quick cars and they will get up to 200km/h pretty quickly.
Ford execs are happy to say that these are five second cars for the 400m!
YES…….I was as always *****PRIMO!******
In any case, what about compare:
The Falcon Glovebox -v- The Commodore Glovebox.
I think it would be very very interesting, which is better and which would win??
Cheers
F-0
“NO MORE SPEED LIMITERS”……pfffffffft
duck the fg look much fresher than the ve and the ve ute’s look crap its looks to short and they are nothing but a show ponies like all ve’s
and as for having a single exhaust pipe most people who by the xr8 are going to mod it any way to get more ponies out of it.
Reason for speed limiter could be right as I doubt that every
ZF out of the factory is designed to go behind a twin turbo bentley v8 or the like otherwise the cost would blow out for the humble Falcon.
I would guess that there would be several different spec gearboxes available with different torque/horsepower ratings for different applications. a Bentley zf would probably be very “hard” in it’s shift etc behind a lesser engine given that it would be built to handle more torque and power across the range.
Same principle as the BW35 or Traumatic used in everything from 200bs to 5 lite v8s although I realise that these were no electronic gearboxes.
QUOTE: REALCARS “Falcon. The Great Australian Road Car!!!”
It’s trim, It’s Falcon,
It’s trim, it’s Taut, It’s Falcon
And Falcon to be specific
It’s Trim, Taut, Terrific!!!
Stop squabbling Ford AND Holden fans.
Both are World class cars in their own right.
If they can both take sales from the skid steering Camerion then Australia will be a better place.
My subjective impressions are that the gearbox feels entirely able to handle the power being put through it.
Also the same gearbox is used in the XR6T and the G6ET yet the limter is set at 200km/h on the G6 and 230 on the XR6! The ZF in the Bentley, and I’ve driven one, is certainly by the same manufacturer but is not the same gearbox as the Falcon gets, however the box in the Falcon, with different mapping is used in BMW 5-series. And they are only limited to 250km/h to keep the German police happy!
Keep em coming OZ!!!!
If that is the case David then the six speed option is worth every cent. Not only in terms of driveability and economy
but also durability.
Given that these i6 engines last forever
u’ll never wear the thing out. New front end should be even more durable than bf as well.
F-O disregard handbook and have auto serviced every 40,000 klms or fit a cooler if u want to see past 200,000 klms.
I quote Mr David Twomey….. “With 195kW, impressive real-driving fuel economy in the order of 9.0L/100km, in part thanks to the all-new French sourced five speed automatic gearbox the FG Falcon is a large car winner.” This statement will put fear into a lot of Camry and Aurion owners let alone Toyota executives who hope for good sales figures and resale figures on their so called big cars.
I believe Holden will challenege these figures when the upgraded VE comes out but I don’t think Toyota will be able to with what they have unless they go bigger.
The so called big front wheel drive cars are going to disappear. Cars like the Mondeo and the future Torana will fill this market place.
re:” Oz. Says:
April 11th, 2008 at 11:50 am ”
This whole deal with the curtain airbags is annoying me.
Ford is one of the only manufacturers to give a head protecting side airbag.
The driver and front seat passenger will have the same protection no matter if the curtain airbags are optioned up or not. The $300 curtain airbags will add protection the rear seat occupants. This is the reason ford went for this type of airbag. Fleets did not want to pay the extra money for things they will never use.
Sounds like a severly biased review, but maybe thats because ford fans have had nothing to shout about for the last 6 years…Also have to say based on looks the VE still stands out and looks better than FG and its already 2 yrs old.
has TP changed his name?
The new Ford FG Falcon is absolutely fantastic, a milestone for Ford in Australia.
But why is it, that whenever a review is written in favour of Falcons, it’s “biased”? Whenever people write reviews about Holdens and Toyotas it’s all dead set gospel. Some of you people have to pull your head out of the sand and realise that Falcons are good cars!
Styling is purely subjective, and of course when there are no statistics people can use to prove a competitor’s car is better, that’s what people will say.
Ford makes good cars. Get over it!
Well well …I am pleased that it drives better than it looks,got to say its too understated for me,I think in the looks dept I would still go the VE ,sept in the FPV range Id swing over to the HSV but its just a little too hero for me . Mmmmmm the limited to 200 clicks sounds like an excuse to save something else Ford think they may have problems with ,my guess anyway. Axle tramp should happen whats the go? You get a dud one or is this a factory fault?
Hey Matt when you planting your cute bum in the F6……will be very interested in your story on that ,thats going to be the the big one from FPV I feel.
So we getting a wagon or not, they back to drawing board on it after sighting the Sportswagon perhaps? Interestingly enough at the moment I am considering another wagon as a need for a new buisness Im going back too,speaking to my lover the other night on it will either go another Volvo again or will take a look at the Sportswagon…I know……… whats Wheelnut done to me,under a spell,na like anyone else when looking at a price range I check all options and the Sporswagon falls in the price range for the new hack!Mind you if FPV did a F6 wagon Id be in like flynn.Oh n before you ask no the M3s not going…..as if.God Id have to change my name on here then,imagine that!
So, Duck, what car do you drive?
I suspect that you are not exactly in the FG’s target demographic.
Welcome back BM! I’ve been away too
Geez Louise no pleasing people is there just read TPs post ,yep Oz I would think so too…….
CA have finally started doing reviews on the Fords n Toyota fans don’t like what their hearing…..get over it.Im not excited about the looks of the poverty range but hey when you get your Toyota reviews do us Ford fans tell CA thier biased.Dont like to hear the truth perhaps that we have been trying to tell you for months TP n Dingo ,Ford make good cars too !
Biased review??? If it was a biased review I bet we wouldnt be hearing about the lack of curtain airbags.
But we’ll soon see how biased motor & wheels (or rather the 2 VE Commodore monthlys) are when they finally get a drive. Niether could stop raving about the VE since it came out. I subscribe to motor and nearly every month since august 2006 their has been a VE on the cover in one way or the other and the majority of those had it as the main cover story.
Oh & again who gives a rat’s freckle that curtain airbags arent standard. If you want them pay the extra $300. I think whats worse is that aircon is still an optional extra on the VE Omega
Have you babe..Iv just been cut off the internet by the EX ,playing games …be back on as usual end next week to stir the pot! Miss me?
Wheelnut tells me everynight whats a happening on here.Same old same old Toyota is god stuff!
Im with you on the airbags Glen,who gives a toss!Motor n Wheels is always worth a giggle though Glen,I hear what your saying,Ford needs to drop a few cases of Scotch in the boot for the Motor jernos too……….hehehehe.
What a wonderful car Ford has produced for our world, I think The FG models will compare to BMW, AUDI, etc… I say why not, Holden said VE would be as good as German builds (whoops that failed) but why not the already making waves Falcon, world class Ford, world class… my cheque book is ready GE6 Turbo….. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
“Ford means alot to Australia” !!!!!!!!!!!
GO FORD !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-) :-)
Tony M: “The so called big front wheel drive cars are going to disappear. Cars like the Mondeo and the future Torana will fill this market place.”
Isn’t the Mondeo, which is very close in size now to a falcon, a front wheel drive? Same with Camry/Aurion, new Mazda 6, Accord V6 ect?
Front drive will remain if only because of manufacturing efficiencies and versatility in their platforms.
Curtain airbags: Read the latest statement by the new head of Ford in Australia, you know the yank, Osborne. He is willing to give the new FG to the crash testing people without curtain airbags and have them do side impact crashes. He is so confided that the new FG is a 5 star rating without curtain airbags. I note that both Holden and Toyota refused to give VE Commodores and Camry/Aurions for this type of test.
Dlr1: Your right the Mondeo is a front wheel drive car. But it is a balance front wheel drive car. That is the dynamics /engine/gearbox are beautifully matched and here I am refering to the diesel and turbo 5 cylinder motors. This car does all it needs to do without reving it motor to bits. A facet a Japanese motors.
Top stuff FordThe new benchmark car in the australian auto industry.To bad Ford don’t have a propaganda marketing machine like,you know who.If they did they could sell them as submarines
I think I’ll just wait until they are a year old and a series two has already come in before i look at a second hand XR8 for 12k at the auctions. I should be able to get most colours given how common these things are…
Hah! Password – Holden
Welcome back BM.
The Ford by all rights should be a winner for Ford. I just home the consumer can see past the minor change is aesthetics.
I meant Falcon – damn liquid lunch!
Glen, air coditioing is not optional on any of the VE’s Now. As you would know if you read any media releases that have been published in all the car websites air conditioning became standard at the same time 6 airbags were made standard along with alloy wheels, new grill insert and body coloured mirrors and door handles, This updated VE comes under the model year 09 and brings it in line with the specs of the Sportwagon apart from rear parking sensors,
“I think The FG models will compare to BMW, AUDI, etc…”
LOL, nice joke there AC COBRA!!!hahahahahah i’m still laughing that was so funny, hahahahahaha…
LOL hahahaha,,, Audiman, I was laughing while I was typing it, but not as funny when Holden said VE is comparable to the BMW a fews years ago :-) ………
Its a complete joke to compare a falcon or a commodore to european brands like audi, merc and bmw!
Wow the dark blue G6E turbo looks really sweet!
hmmm yeah audiman….no comparison….. i mean just look at the price u pay for one of those euro’s….
Having seen FG in the flesh, and then contrasting with the BF, I disagree that this car is not a visual step forward. Australian cars, for many reasons have suffered serious depreciation and a progression in visuals rather than a complete departure (ie VZ to VE) is a relief.
I am a Euro car snob.., but appreciate that the FG Flacon is something Australia should be proud of. It is unique to this country and totally suitable. A vehicle that with 300,000km on the odometre is not an economic loss due to maintenance.
Good on you Ford. Next step is a diesel Territory and a Wagon al la Holden.
ALL I CAN SAY IS FORD HAVE TAKING A FULL ON BEATING FOR A FAIR WHILE NOW IS THE LARGE CAR STAKES, BUT FINALLY HAVE TAKING AUSTRALIAN AND A LITTLE EUROPEAN ENGINEERING TO A NEW HIGHER LEVEL. HOLD-ON MAY HAVE SPENT A BILLION DOLLARS ON THEIR EFFORT BUT DID THEY ASK THERE LOYAL BUYERS WHAT THEY REALLY WANTED!. FORD HAVE AND BY THE LOOKS OF IT HAVE COME UP WITH A WORTHY CAR, THAT CAN SHOWCASE WHAT WE ISLANDERS CAN DO WITH A BIT OF THOUGHT. HATS OFF TO THE ENTIRE COMPANY FOR GIVING A 100% EFFORT IN TURNING THEIR FORTUNES AROUND.
What a masterpiece, with astounding performance numbers. Good to see quality is improved.
Best part is, it obviously has Dingo and TP stumped- Im delighted to see they aren’t present.
Yeah, but wait until TP sees this, we’ll be at war “Aurion is faster”
AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE! OI! OI! OI! Well done Australia another world class car.
Seriously………put a BF next to an FG and then tell me thay look the same……..they have similarities but so do most cars. VE, BA, Aurion……….all similar at he front. In fact the photo I just saw of a TRD Aurion I though it was a VE !!!!!!
Whats fords competitor against the Caprice and Statesman? Becasue the Fairlane and LTD are gone.
Rick Harris, the Aurion looks completely different to the VE Commodore.
THE MORE I LOOK AT THE ALL AUSSIE SENSATIONAL NEW FALCON, THE MORE IT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO BA-BF MODELS, I THINK SOME PEOPLE HERE HAVE TO TEST DRIVE ONE, THEN COME BACK WITH A REASONABLE COMMENT…….
GO FORD !!!!!!!!!!! # 1 AGAIN…………. :-)
Duck, i think u will find the g series is the answer to your question
Have said this over and over if u are worried about depreciation don’t buy a brand new car.
The more u spend the more u loose.
Holdens and Fords are not unique in this regard.
Buy a Tarago new for 65k and it will sell on the lot four years later with less than 80klms for 35k.Same deal with a prado.Buy an Audi and see what u get for it four years later on tradein even though it is a fine car.
Forget about resale buying new!!! There is no such animal.
This is a song Ford should re-live, it’s from 1960 when the Falcon first came out…
If your car is designed with Australia in mind
Then you’re driving a Falcon by Ford.
If your auto mobile is a sculpture and steel,
Then you driving a Falcon by Ford.
For clients,
With a fleet of motor car features,
Galore.
Built for style, economy and comfort…
And pride they’ll adore!
Let your car take a bow.
You’ll be proud to find how everyone in the world will applaud.
The Australian Falcon,
The fabulous Falcon,
Australia’s Falcon by Ford.
Gotta LOVE the bullshit about the exhaust tips!!
Typical holden RICER idea that you need more pipes!!
Holden has 4…. BUT 2 EXHAUSTS….. 4 TIPS…. 2 are for LOOKS …. looks over performance = RICER!
im surprised commodores dont come with IRONING boards on the boot, chromies, clear tail lights and NEONZ bro!
and THEY ( commod bogans ) have the audacity to call 4 cylinder drivers ricers…… when they are in fact, the originals!
hahaha
Oh
and dingo AND tp are the same person.
if not…. they were sepparated at birth!
:p
GO OZ !!!!!!!!! GREAT LYRICS MAN,,,, FORD JUST NEED TO POLISH THEIR MEDIA EFFORTS, THEN EVERTHING WILL BE FINE… :-)
Its not BS about exhaust tips… Ford havent put the final touches on this vehicle, simple as that; family cars have twin exhausts, yet an FPV F6 doesnt! (Yes it doesnt need it being inline, but either does an Evo, STi and many other performance cars, its about the looks not such performance)
CANT BELIVE IT KEY WRD WAS FORD
GO FG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go OZ!!!!!!
Sorry Duck, blow as much sunshine as you want, it will not change the fact th FG is a generation above the VE.
By the way, your sour grapes are showing.
BM, I think Ford will bring the Mondeo wagon soon….it looks classy and roomy, might suit you????
Watch the turbo models blow the V8 competition away.
13.4 GE6 Turbo, even the Boss boys will be trading up.
Escort Ghia now there was a neat little car in it’s day. Mate had one in the early eighties and could sit on 140k all day.
Fromwhat I was told by the Ford represntatives at the Adelaide Motorshow [If you can call it that] was the Mondeo Wagon is epected to be released at the start of next month
Wheelnut, Sooner than i thought and wouldn’t surprise me if that Mondeo wagon turns out to be a Commodore “sports wagon” KILLER!!!!!
Specially the Turbo Diesel.
If you’re interested in a wagon TP would no doubt tel you to forget the Mondeo or the VE Sportwagonbuy a Toyota – wait a minutethey don’t make one… no Corolla no Camry no Aurion; no TuRD. HA!!!!
Naaa…Toyota don’t have anything that won’t put me to sleep every time i look at it!!!!
But yes I’m going to wait for the Mazda 6 diesel to come out before i commit to anything but i love the look and quality of the Mondeo!!
Wheelnut, i don’t think you’ll get TP/Dingo to bite cos the Falcon is getting unanimous excellent reviews every where!!!
He’ll stay away from these blogs until the Falcon reviews are over.
Looking forward to trading up from BA MKII turbo ute to FG TURBO UTE. As usual for a lot of us this car will be the starting point for mods. Good thing about the turbo over the V8 is the amount of dollars required to get some decent power from these engines. Start off with just the CAPA edit/injectors and dynotune and you will be looking at around 270(rwkw)approx 360fwkw. then go on from there.
and also the restriction of top speed can also be removed with the edit.
Duck……..the TRD Camry\Aurion does not look completely different………look at the grille\headlights……could pass for a VE or a BA…..have a look.
Are those rims on the GE6Turbo the standard 18’s or the optional 19’s? Looks nice.
KJ, the wheels on the blue G6E Turbo are the optional 19″ and the red G6E has the 18″ because I can see how they have almost identical spoke designs, yet the G6E has higher profile tyres than the G6E Turbo.
I think if your comparing the Aurion/VE/BA you can safely assume that your comparing the Aurion/VE to the BA as it started life way back in 2002 where as, the no real interesting idea’s GM/Toyota combination’s latest and greatest family cars now look like the BA. How behind are these people!!!!!!!!!!!!
i had the surprise to see these cars at the taylors lakes banquet and reception centre on wednesday! all i can say is…holdenwhat?
after seeing the cars in the metal…and then seeing a ve commodore…i was like…holden…puh-lease! move over dead lion…ford is back and is gonna kick some red corner behind! now all ford has to do is market this baby like they’ve never marketed it before…
and yes…the owner at the lakes reception centre who was a holden man…now wants to get a G6E Turbo…hmmm…do i hear the general shaking?
Im a holden fan through and through but i have to admit this car has got the look to win over everybody. The calais V won wheels car of the year.. the G6E looks 10 times better. Its like ford finally went: “ÿou know what.. maybe this time we will do something completely different. European looking, australian driving and japanese pricing.” Praise the lord.
Lets hope holden steps up to the plate with the ve s2. if not its goodbye to their sales.
Note: 1 downfall.. as the article suggests the xt looks too much like the bf. but who really cares.
Carl, this is a fantastic car, don’t ever listen to what TP says as he is extremely biased to Toyota and does all he can to make his crap anti-Falcon comments public. Obviously to try and get his be-loved CamAurion on top in sales so Toyota can take over the world of motoring.
tp what ever to say the Aurion is just a face lifed Camery with a bigish 6 that has been around for years your just upset because ford’s new falcon is better than the Aurion and VE commodore
i was wondering did you(caradvice) do any speed test like 0-100km. or quarter mile?
The new Falcon will win Australia’s best large sedan awards this year and many other awards maybe not wheels magazine becauase thats reserved for Holden and euro models, people should praise what Ford has done even TP – Dingo can bow…………..World class Ford….
WELL DONE FORD….You have worked very hard on this car to beat the competition, and you have based on all reviews I have read. If the test drive wows me I will be placing an order as I find VE boring and Toyota’s Aurion does nothing for me.
All Ford needs to do now is ensure the dealers up their customer service…and focus on reliability and quality.
Well, things are on the up. I can see this is a damned good car and the G6E (I SO want to call it a Fairmont Ghia) looks like class that people will hanker for.
Oz, TP is not actually terribly clever. You’re asking why you have to repeat things for him. Only the Lord knows why, but it’s true. Even then, it won’t sink in. He’s perenially upset that Aurion came 6th in Wheels WASP test and that the Kluger rolled in COTY testing but distorts both results to Base Aurion Beats XR6 and What Sort of Toyota Phool drives around a gravel bend at 100 clicks anyway.
So, I’ll take a deep sigh and say best of luck to you.
AC Cobra, Territory and BA both won Wheels COTY. Mondeo was in the final running last year. I think they’re fair.
LOL Golf, no I actually think his negative rants and how he continues the argument after he’s proven wrong are pretty clever of him (despite his pathological state) and I’m pleased you no longer think I’m the same person as him. :)
Did I EVAHHH say that Oz? LOL. maybe I did before I worked everyone out. Ahem. Yup, anyway. :)
Rick, Toyota Phool dug deep for a hint of irony and humour, but only his usual smarmy sarcasm and ignorance emerged; he called it an FG wagon because he’s convinced that they’re the same underneath as a BF. He doesn’t R E A D and consequently doesn’t U N D E R S T A N D.
LOL
I’ll have to stick to my VE commodore.
Oh Duck, if you stick with a VE, you don’t know you missing out on alot of fun!
Oz, I’m joking……..i dont have a VE, but im still a Holden Fan i’ll always will be. And if Holden are going through hard times i’ll always be loyal to them and never change.
You cannot say that the new Falcon is better until they are both tested side by side in a comparison. Have any of the media outlets tested a current model year 9 VE yet. I don’t think so, so maybe all you biased fordia (Yes Ford Kia) should shut up until a compariso side by side is done. Remember the VE was last tested in 2006 and there have been quite a few running updates that have been doe since and in the past would have been called series 2 etc.
I understand what you mean Duck. Ford has been going through hard times recently in the media and sales department, but look! I’M STILL SUPPORTING FORD!
:arrow: Go the blue oval! :arrow:
Frosty, show me the source were the new FG Falcon is actually a Kia?
Oz, I personally think that the same should apply to those who call Holden Holdenwoo. They are no better than TP. Yes GM Bought Daewoo but just because GM bought it doesnt mean aything as Ford bought Kia which doesnt exactly have a top reputation. All the current Daewoos are from prior to GM buying in except the Captiva. The next generation will be a lot better and if Holden follow suite with Astra/Viva and do Torana/Epica and Corsa/Barina they will be opening up Markets to people on all budgets. A smart business move that is.
I said Ford Oz not Falcon. Anyway the same link all you people say Commodore is Daewoo
Ford doesnt really need to bring out a Falcon Wagon such as the Holden Sportswagon, the Falcon wagon is used by commercial fleets but Private buyers go for the territory. Why does ford need a sportswagon, they’re selling more territories than they would sportswagons.
^^^No the ford territories sales are going down fast.
Now what has Ford OZ have to do with Kia?
Glen, of course they are currently as the Sportwagon is not even released at the moment but I can tell you there is already goig to be at least a 3 month waiting period for the VE Sportwagon and I will tell you now the Sportwago WILL be outselling the Territory oce its released.
Oz., Im not saying Holden are going through a hard time at the moment if they do i always will be with them. Like Frosty said we havent seen the comparo test between the different models of FG Ford Falcon Versus VE Holden Commodore yet. Holden still has a good chance.
The same as Holden Aus has to do with Daewoo, Its GM Daewoo not Holden Daewoo. Rmember Ford sold a Kia badged as a Ford when the Festiva was here just as Holden market a few Daewoo’s as Holdens.
^Agreed with Frosty. The Holden Commodore Sportswagon are going out like hot potatoes (i mean they will). The territory sales are slowing down alot now.
I think its safe to label almost all of TP’s input as null and void and lacking totally in fair judgment and common sense…Yes TP- it would appear you are not the full quid.You may as well not be here at all
90% NEW DOESN’T SEEM TO REGISTER DOES IT?? You really think 750 Million (and then some) really just went into sheet metal?? Right…you’re wrong.
Duck, Territory is still 2nd best selling SUV and that segment is GROWING. Territory sales are still strong. The Australian public has moved away from Family wagons and opted for SUVs instead, such as Territory, Klugar & Prado.
The SS & Calais versions of the sportwagon I think will do ok but the Omega will struggle with fleets compared to BF mk3 because of limited load capacity.
Oz I think the Holden boys are clutching at straws to discredit Ford because they imported the Kia built Festiva which was built using MAZDA mechanicals. When Holden blatantly just rebadged the Daewoo Kalos as the Barina and made minor changes to Epica (the sales success that is) and Captiva.
Glen, We’ve always know that the Holden Commodore has never been a fleet sale car compared to the ford falcon.
Glen, Toyota Kluger is ahead of the Ford Territory in sales
Glen, have you actually seen a Sportwagon i the metal and actually measured its load capacity to a Commodore or Falcon Wagon of the past. There is not a massive difference. Usable space is actually not that different when you put safety into the equation. You cant safely load up to Roof height. And the Wheelbase difference between a Commodore and a Statesman is only basically a little bit more legroom so its very minimal.
Frosty, you mean Ford Australia should be called “Fordia” because years ago a Kia was badge engineered as a Ford? That completely doesn’t make sense. Holden has been labelled as “Holdenwoo” because they are supposed to be known as pure Australian, yet most of their range, e.g Barina, Epica, Captiva are Daewoo’s from overseas. Do Ford OZ currently sell a Kia Festiva and advertise it as Aussie? I don’t think so.
And GLEN, Holden arent looking at fleet sales with the wagon like they used to for VT-VZ with its bigger load capacity. Holden are mainly looking at private sales.
VZ Wagon Load capacity- 2752L
VE Sportswagon Load Capacity- 2500L (estimation WHEELS Mag)
Frosty I didnt say it has less space, I said it has Load Capacity, which means weight. Thats why Ford still use leaf springs in Wagons & Utes, so they can carry more weight.
Frosty, Ford don’t deal with Kia anymore, GM Holden Daewoo have platforms in about half of their model line up, Ford only had very little involvment with Kia and that was many moons ago, obviously Ford learnt from using inferior Korean technology and now use euro kinetic design with German inspired quality, sorry Frosty, but Holden are no match with Ford at the moment.. sales don’t mean much either, as TP and Dingo keep spilling on this site…………
The omega wagon will be squarely aimed at fleets like the sedan, if you think otherwise your very much mistaken.
I think sportswagon will have initial success but the market is turning away from family wagons fast and heading to the suvs. Hence why only Holden & Ford are the only ones who offer a wagon at all.
And remeber the Adventra & crewman both had multi-monthly waiting lists to begin with, and look how they ended up doing.
Does anybody here go for the West Coast Eagles?
Maybe thats because previous Holden and Ford wagons were thought of as inferior in the past to sedan counterparts re. ride and handling etc. Now this Sportwagon is like the sedan but with extra cargo room. Its handling and ride will be near identical to the sedan. Yet despite the VT up wagons having IRS it still sold well in fleets just like Falcon did with its leaf springs so that has nill to do with sales to fleets. There are some families also who will buy the Omega Sportwagon because their budget doesn’t handle the cost of a uppermarket Sportwagon BUT it still has all the safety equipment people want, still andles like the Omega sedan but has extra room in the back for items such as cases, golf clubs, prams etc.
Oz, U get some people saying that holden are crap because they are daewoo’s. There not. GM the company that owns Holden bought Daewoo and made them part of GM called Daewoo GM. Holden is olny responsible for placing the Holden badge own the cars which is done so by GM.
Nah Duck, I go for the mighty Western Bulldogs.
Thats right Frosty. And i think (correct me if im wrong) The wagon price will be only $2000 over any sedan model.
Yes, a bargain at only 2 grand more and you get heaps of space and reverse parking sensors included in that price. The Sportwagon will be a winner and once Holden add AWD to a platform that already supports it, just watch more and more people go for it. Oh and by the way the VE would be a 5 star safety wise now after 6 airbags being standard now. I am sure that will come out once ancrap test the Sportwagon.
Yes, id prefer the Sportswagon over the sedan anyday! I dont know, but Frosty would u rather have a SS V Sportswagon or Calais V Sportswagon?
And your a HOLDEN fan arent you FRosty?
I dont think Holden will make a AWD Wagon………i’ll have to ask Wheelnut.
Oh………………WHEELNUT!!!!!!!!!!
When ANCRAP tested the VE Holden Commodore Sedan. Did they just test the Omega? Because if that got 4 stars. The SS, Berlina, Calais etc. All had 6 airbags standard. That means the rest would have got 5 star ANCRAP?
Yeah Duck, I have already placed my order in for a Calais V Sportwagon which I pick up in July as I said as a result of the waiting list despite ordering at the Melbourne. Yes I do follow Holden just like my parents and grandparents did but I do wish Ford luck I just do not think they have done the right thing in particular with the long wheelbase and Wagon and despise those people who make childlish name calling of Holden. Its as if they are in primary school calling a child who is 4th generation Australian a name because of their cultural background like wog etc and my family have been here since the early 1800’s.
Yes ancrap oly test the most popular version which is generally the base model due to fleets etc so the 6 airbag models were not tested.
Why did u prefer the Calais V over the SS or SS V?
There we go Holden and Ford might be the first two large cars in Australia to get 5 stars in ANCRAP.
Oh and as stated in a previous post the VE Omega when tested only had front airbags so 2 in total compared to 6 now.
I like a few of the items on the Calais V like front park assist and 8 way electric seats plus the rear DVD player for the kids. I did option it as a 6 LTR so I still have the extra grunt of the SS/ SS V. I currently already have a VE SSV 6 speed manual for a bit of fun. This will be my second VE so I will own 2 at the one time to go with my 4WD.
I just think Ford are neglecting a particular market now, both the Luxury wagon market and the Luxury long wheelbase market.
Duck..are you serious? MOST OF THE COMMODORE SALES ARE FLEET SALES !!
Im a Holden Man too. Did you get the Sportswagon Calais V in V6 or V8 guise? What colour? Did you get the interior in two-tonne colour?
Not compared to the falcon
I’m a Ford man,,,,,,,, lllllllllllllooooooooolllllllllllll, there are Holden blogs on this site to you know, please don’t feel left out or flood new Falcon blogs with GM Holden Daewoo dribble……..
Colour Phantom Metallic, 6 Ltr V8 with 6 speed auto, Light urban leather as I like the contrast with the Phantom.
AC COBRA, U get some people saying that holden are crap because they are daewoo’s. There not. GM the company that owns Holden bought Daewoo and made them part of GM called Daewoo GM. Holden is olny responsible for placing the Holden badge own the cars which is done so by GM.
AC COBRA, the worlds not all about ford u know. And thinking that Holden in Daewoo, is wrong. U can give respect to other car companies too u know.
God for u Frosty! Any other Options?
I’m placing my order on a Falcon GE6 Turbo or XR6 Turbo not sure until I complete a test drive, my colour will be either silver or maybe black…
Ford Australia is World Class !!!!!!!!!!! :-)
The reason Ford aren’t updating the Falcon wagon more is because their market research & sales have shown Sedan based wagons sales have dwindled from their fairly low sales position anyway.
As I keep saying but Frost/Duck don’t seem to understand the market has switched from family stationwagons to SUVs. I can tell you its not because of handling or performance or luxury features. Its all about status, Mrs Jones got an SUV so why can’t I get one. Women find stationwagons too ordinary. The majority believe they are safer higher up and can see above everyone. This is not a sexist view its just my perception working in car sales.
The sportswagon may do great, good but I’m just saying I can’t see it being the sales success Holden are telling people mainly because they have gone away from fleet sales and the market has shifted away from stationwagons.
Now back to the topic, I can’t see Falcon losing too many sales over the fact that curtain airbags arent standard. There cheaper than the competition without them and are equal with them. Safety doesnt really sell. Look at the Corolla, 2 airbags std & no stability control. It was the biggest seller in Q1.
This is whole the Holden/HSV battle will go…
Battle of the Sixes: Winner XT/XR6 vs Omega/SV6 = Ford
Battle of the V8’s: Winner XR8 vs SS/SSV = Holden
Battle of the Premium Sedans: G6E/G6ET Vs Calais = Ford G6E Turbo
Best Ford vs Best Holden: XR6 Turbo vs SS V = XR6 Turbo
FPV GT vs HSV Clubsport R8 winner: to close to call(need to know more about the GT power output)
FPV GTE vs HSV Senetor Winner: tie to close to call as above
FPV F6 Vs HSV GTS Winner: FPV F6
Bang for your Buck: XR6 turbo
Performace car of the year: FPV F6
on another note… i think by the end of 2010 we should see a F6-HO as the inline 6 will be put to rest.
one other then…. i wish ford would built aussie Godzilla – a Lighter AWD F6 sedan with a power increase… even if just a concept… i think it would be a sight to be seen…
It seems the head honcho at Ford :-) , Alan Mulally has a thing for our new FG Falcon. The Ford CEO recently got behind the wheel of an FG Falcon G6E Turbo at an Australian test facility and came away mightily impressed. In fact he declared, “I want one”!
There is a general world-wide consensus that Ford Australia build a better four-door sedan than Ford North America, so it is not hard to believe that Mulally would prefer the FG Falcon over the alternative at home – a Taurus.
Will he ship one over? Who knows… We do know that there was at least one pre-production FG shipped to the States last year for evaluation. :-)
I also found a comment to go with my last post,,, He rated it much higher than his previous car, a Lexus GS430. hahahahaha Toyoda…….. :-)
Go Ford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Too early to say that ChopstaR87
What’s a two tonne colour, Duck? We’re talking loud, not heavy! :)
BTW, I’m going for West Coast Dru…EAGLES today, cos I live in Perth see. Might be on now. Arabs are dirty.
The other thing about the VE ANCRAP Test is that at the time the VE had just been released and Holden were focussed on getting enough cars out to the major dealerships for immediate delivery inorder to meet initial demand..
Not only that but the cars are supplied to ANCRAP at the manufacturers expense – Therfefore Holden could only provide them with 4 cars [not 5] each of which passed the 4 tests they were used in
whereas The Aurion passed the 5th test However; there are reports that the Aurion used in the 5th test failed and due to a loop-hole Toyoda were able to send extra cars for the test; which they did – until it passed.
Which is why The ANCRAP tests dont assess the safety of a particular range or model of car But more the safety of an individual car which is from that range or of that model.. So your VE Commodore might fail an ANCRAP Test whereas my VE Commodore might actually pass.
Although it’s too early to say, but this is more like it….
Battle of the V8’s: Winner XR8 vs SS/SSV = Too close to call
The Aurion still has a 4 star ANCRAP rating. It’s the same as the VE and BA/BF
ATM – I can’t see Holden making an AWD Comodore Wagon..
not after the Adventra Experiment.
However; Holden could come out wiht a AWD Sedan as the Torana is Expected to be built on the same “insignia” paltofrm as the upcoming Vectra which has been designed to take AWD – which AWD system will they use? I’d say they’d usethe same AWD as the new Saab 9-X [which is very similar to Subarus Symmetrical AWD]
Golfschwein, i meant two tone colour. Sorry!
Golfschwein, I hope the Eagles lose cause they are the druggo team and i go for the SWANS anyway. Whats the score? Ive got normal TV, so i dont know.
So Oz, thats the exactly the same as the VY/VZ
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parents really ought to ensure they dont give internet access passwords out to their children
F-O,
i dont just want a review on the falcon ute, i want a bloddy test drive, or even a fleshy look.
does any one know yet when the QLD’rs will catch first glimpse?
when is the sale date??
is sale date of utes same as sedans??
I can agree with Andrew.M. I want to see them in flesh and know when we can see them in QLD. Not have to keep looking at reviews all the time(although they’re good and promising).
Oh by the way the Sydney v West Coast starts at 7.10pm EST so just under 2 hours away. GO Doggies lol 4 in a row ad 5 in a row after beating Richmod next week.
Frosty, did you get the Sportwagon Calais V V8 with the two tone colour for the interior?
I’d really to give the “launch control” a go.
it sounds pretty clever and above that, like a hell of a lot of fun
New Holden Commodre Prices (for Wagon (sportswagon) and sedan):
Omega- $36,790 (Sedan)/ $37,790 (Wagon)
Berlina- $40,290 (Sedan)/ $41, 290 (Wagon)
V8 Berlina- $45,290 (sedan)/ None (Wagon)
SV6- $40,290 (6 speed Manual) or $41,290 (5 speed Auto) (Sedan)/ $42,290 (5 speed Auto)(Wagon)
SS- $45,290 (6 speed Manual) or $47,290 (6 speed Auto)(Sedan)/ $46,290 (six speed Manual) or $48,290 (six speed Auto) (Wagon)
Calais- $45,790 (5 speed Auto)(Sedan)/ $46,790 (5 speed Auto) (Wagon)
Calais V8- $50,790 (six speed Auto)(Sedan)/ None (Wagon)
SS V- $52,790 (six speed manual) or $54,790 (six speed Auto)(Sedan)/ $54,790 (Six speed Manual) or $56,790 (six speed Auto)(Wagon)
Calais V- $54,290 (six speed Auto)(Sedan)/ $55,290 (5 speed Auto)(Wagon)
Calais V (V8)- $59,290 (six speed auto)(Sedan)/ $60,290 (six speed Auto)(Wagon)
^^^I’d thought that some of u would want to know. Or even could compare it to the new falcon.
Duck,
take my advice and piss off with your efforts to try and rain on this parade.
this is a ford posting. you are obviously jealous of fords greater offering.
go away before you get branded the “Holden propaganda guy” in the same way TP and co fill our screens with toyota sales rubbish.
i dont hate holden, its just your efforts to patheticlly push holden media stuff down our throat that im getting a bit short of.
i have mates who prefer holdens and i can respect that. they can also respect that i prefer fords
Duck,
isnt it time to fly south????
really mate you have no logic.
how is it that the top of the table team suck?
and besides its about cars on here you know????????????
Settle down Andrew.M. Duck is just someone who is a bit worried about FG and is doing his best to calm himself down by going off-topic.
The G6E Turbo’s direct rival is the Calais V V8, it costs $59,290. However the Falcon G6E Turbo costs $54,990, I know which one I’d rather buy.
OZ,
its either warrented or its not.
quite simply the way he has posted belongs to the later category.
if people really want to know what the entire range of commodores cost, then im sure they would look in the commodore postings. people cant be that stupid to come to a ford page looking for a commodore pricing
thats right OZ,
if anything those prices highlight why you wouldnt opt for the higher spec commys
I suppose the same should apply to those Ford fans I see post o Holden topics or in your mind that doesnt count. Double standards thinks me.
Geeeezzzzzz………Come down Andrew M. I did this not just for my liking but for ford fans also to compare the prices to the new FG. Grow up and stop having your little tamptrums.
And by the way ducks dont fly to the south for winter!
^ duck it becouse all you have done on this page is carry on if you dony like the FG Falcon then say what you have to say and P!$S off dont fill the topic with football and holden crap or whine about stuped things that the FG dont that dosn’t do anything for the car but add bling.
its an expression of speech duck
They do it those ford fans because either their jealous or have an inferiority complex or both. Considering Commodore is Falcons main rival I would be welcoming a bit of debate.
whats to debate car advise has clearly said the falcon is a better car
EscortGhia, I never said i didnt like the new FG falcon, so dont asume i dont, because u are being very rude. Just because i mention one thing about AFL doesnt mean im changing the subject. I respect anybody that likes ford and they should do the same to me that i like holden.
To prove u are very wrong i think the new G6E Turbo looks good and people will prefer it over the Calais and considering its faster to 100km than a 6.0L V8 is astounching.
So dont think i hate the new FG.
OMG the old Escorts, My old neighbours had one in the early 80’s and we were not allowed to play cricket even with a tennis ball near it because if it hit the Escort it would fall apart. Dot get me started on Cortina’s.
BTW I will leave it to the car market to decide which is best, the Commodore or Falcon. Over the last decade the Commodore has won easily despite Ford fans claiming Falco as the better car. Funny thing is More people bought the Commodores.
EscortGhia, becasue i had never mentioned anything about the FG in the article doesnt mean i dont like anything about it. Like i said in one of the posts the commodre and falcon are level in exterior etc.
sorry duck but if you read my post i said if you don’t like the FG and i was implying it to everyone like TP not just you never said you didn’t like it and ivé seen your earlier post saying you did.
thats funny frosty because my escort still has the factory engine and iv’e never had it break down on me but my vk Calais 5.0L is constantly got problems and it’s not the one who get the crap thrashed out of it and you know why because its well looked after regularly serviced.
and as for more people buying the commodore over the falcon thats because the most people are so stupid to realize that the falcon is better on fuel and more reliable then the commodore because its a holden and it’s Australian the most unaustralian calming to be Australian besides the Aurion and the dawoose badged as Holden’s.
OMG this post is becoming overrun by Holden fans. This Falcon does not have to become number 1 seller to keep Ford going in Australia. But here’s an interesting fact, Commodore is no longer best selling and will continue to lose sales as newer competition comes.
thats right oz the funny thing is ford sell the most cars in Australia but holden and Toyota count the car they export more cars than they sell here
Thanks for the apology, EscortGhia.
Now Oz., Im a Holden fan but i put the prices up of the commodore for other people to compare to the falcon.
Duck,
ok ill clarify.
the way you post is a little “clutching at straws”.
show me where i submit ford marketing hype in holden posts.
when it is a debate, fair enough, but when it turns to marketing tatics then i dont want to hear it.
Frosty,
remember the not so long ago VS commodore?
i cant even fit on my arm all the people i know who do or have owned one. not 1 single person i know hasnt suffered a big list of dramas with them.
holden build cars for fans, and thats why they rank better in the sales department.
if you think i have double standards then you only need to visit the latest Maloo and R8 clubbie articles to see where i defended holdens products showing clear respect for holdens offerings.
double standards me thinks not!!!
what im sick of duck delivering is the impression of trying to tell people they should buy a commodore
I didnt say that though Andrew M
Andrew M, I meant that i didnt make an impression of trying to tell people they should buy a commodore.
Yes… the way Duck posts little “clutching at straws” is ‘ill’ clarify isn’t it! LOL
Andrew M, i did not say anything about people to buy a commodore at all. I thought that some people would have appreciated what “I” did to get prices of the commodore to compare it to the falcon range out of my kindness. Because it took me a while to get the info and the commodore isnt cheaper than the falcons. None of them. So thats what i thought alot of people would have done, compare prices of models. But maybe i was wrong or maybe your the only one as i can see that doesnt appreciate what i did.
Seeing that this is on the topic of buying a Commodore or Falcon, I shall ask this…Who the hell would actually be reading through these comments to decide whether to buy a Commodore or a Falcon?
If there really is someone doing that – Only decide from what you read in the article and not the reader comments at the bottom of the page.
“Clutching at Straws”. Is that the way i do posts? Well Sorry!!!!
clean yourself up then.
you are welcome to comment but be realistic and accept the review that says the falcon shadows the commodore.
realistically the VE only matched the BF. of course the falcon will surpass the VE with this new update.
sorry if i offended you in making my point but im totally sick of petty little comments on this site. i scrolled down this article some 200 posts after it was added and i saw plenty of childish remarks to the point where it became pathetic
now you’ve got your apology, how about mine for saying i have double standards? did you check out my comments on the holden pages?
Oz., I hope your not saying that im not trying to convince people to a falcon or commodre, because if u are u are wrong.
Duck, how come you saying you did not say anything about people to buy a commodore, now you saying you hope I’m not saying you not convincing people to buy Commodore or Falcon.
AndrewM, it was me who actually said that there are some Ford Fans on here that have double standards. I didn’t say specifically AndrewM or EscortGhia etc. I can remember seeing many Holden threads where Holdens have been in a word defamed,
In regards to a VS Commodore, I and my parents in 1996 did a double sale for our local Holden dealer at the time for a VS Equipe. Both of us ended owning them for 4 years for me, and 5 years for my parents. In that time neither of us had any dramas at all and the only times they were in workshops were for scheduled services and when other vehicles had hit them in the rear. A EF Falcon ran into the back of mine one week after mine was delivered.
So basically we never had problems and neither has anyoe I know.The only reason I change cars is to update to a newer model.
Id hope the new Falcon is 100% new, I dont spend $35k for a second hand car.
GO FG FALCON!
tp regarding reliability if the falcon is so bad why do they use them as taxi’s
the new reliability stats are in.
reliability is now on fords side and not toyotas.
but if you want to cling to your survey of a teddy bear thats fine
TP you say you and drongo are the only ones that refer to “facts” from external sources yet in the majority of your posts you both tend to refer to statistics and surveys which are subject to opinion and even more so manipulation….
as they say there are lies; dam lies and statistics.
Whereas others on this site refer to articles or reports from other Magazines or websites etc and show performance figures etc which are a result of testing to show how it goes against its rivals which is the objective of the reviews perfromed by those from: Motor; Wheels; TopGear; Drive; CarAdvice; Inside Line; Car and Driver etc
And when one or more of the reviews come up with the same conclusion or performance figures that carries alot more weight than what Mr Joe Average believes in a survey.
Because in most surveys you can get a different answer from various participants – it all depends on how you word the question how you ask the question and how they interpret the questions whereas an on road test is more substantial proof/evidence as to how good a particular car really is
Afterall; Thats how they come up with [Performance] Car of the Year winner or Bang For Your Buck winner.. a group of motoring journos actually drive various cars from various categories and assess their performance
Whereas I doubt that most people/bogans in the surveys that you and Drongo refer to have actually driven the range of cars that the Motoring Journos have – from Daihatsu to Konigsiegg.
Seriously, I’m fed-up with this TP kid and his absolute crap he keeps spreading. According to him, all of the following is incorrect…
• First new Ford Falcon in 10 years, with 90 per cent new body and components.
• Ford has reportedly spent roughly $700 million on its development (although it would not disclose the amount), compared with $1 billion on the new Holden Commodore.
• All three engines have more power. The 4.0-litre six-cylinder engine has 195kW, the turbo six has 270kW and the 5.4-litre V8 has 290kW.
• All models are up to 12 per cent more fuel efficient than the ones they replace.
• All Falcon sedans have front and side airbags for front-seat occupants. Curtain airbags that cover front and back seats are optional on the basic model and standard on more expensive versions.
OZ,
thats not even the start of what went on under the skin of the new falcon.
what about all the pillars and doors being designed for greater space, strength and practicality
I second the motion OZ. Maybe one should deal with reality and realise that the review takes more precedence over this twerp dropkick unorthodox TP!
I would only say the following:
1. Front light is very similar at first glance
2. Rear tail light is very similar at first glance
3. It is 90 per cent new body and components
Escort I have gone through this taxi argument literally 20 times. Taxis in real terms have easier lives then your average private use vehicles; they are serviced properly and they rack up a lot of continuous driving kms (most engine wear occurs on start up and the first minutes after start up… as oil circulates through the engine and gets to operating temp, where its most effective). And Im not saying this to somehow defend Toyota, they are Taxis as well… in fact they use them in the middle east, a faaaaaar harsher environment for a vehicle. And RE 80% including engines, what are you on? Does changing the intake material on the I6 constitute a new engine? You’ve got to be joking. The Aurion was more new then the Falcon going off previous V6 Camry, because the most important components of the vehicle was new, THE ENGINE. I don’t care if the seats are new, the tacho is new, the gearstick is new… that constitutes 10% of a car, so 80% of 10% is new lol. The engine however, is old, still less powerful with more displacement then the Aurion, which as easily a class leading engine.
Phill the sad part is Im not Dingo, he is just another poster who has some logic… you will see in a number of threads such as Toybaru a number of posters who agree with us RE Toyota. The only reason why we look bad here is because the vast majority of posters are Ford fairies, who like to pat eachother on the back. But the fact is, we are part of the minority who actually support our opinions with external sources of evidence, while Ford fairies do not.
Hater Im not Blinkey
Oz now you know what its like when Ford supporters spread crap about Toyota… such as an EA Falcon beating a TRD Aurion
So infact your statements are more full of opinion – be it yours or someone esles;
Whereas the majority of other bloggers statements are more based on substantial facts / documented evidence and tests.
Because you rely so heavily on surveys etc whereas we refer more to actual tests and reviews from various reputable magazines / websites
TP,
i agree,
taxis do get a harder life.
isnt stop start city driving the worst style of driving for vehicles?
less air flow through the motor, hard continuous pressures on the brakes, transmissions constantly changing up and down the gears
“The Aurion was more new then the Falcon going off previous V6 Camry, because the most important components of the vehicle was new”
Umm……Yeah……So has the new Falcon have new components of the vehicle. You can’t change that!!!
OMG the engine capacity is still 4.0L.
it must be the same as an EB falcon then too pfffffft!!!!
gotta love the logic
I have just read the above posts and laughed so hard I fell over. Just call me Kluger.
LOL OZ….he is not worth the time of day. Prince Mini Brain is what we should call him. Hey it was you who dared me to change name when we were joking….so I took challenge up for a laugh – so its your fault! LOL…he is too bizarre to remotely pay more then 10% attention to!
actually NM i’m studding video games development start in the work force next year and the salary ranges from 68,000 py – 80,000 plus py depending on who you work for
I want a blue G6Eturbo,like the picture 4th from the top.
Yeah, Phill I agree. I hope we can get back on topic now, hopefully caradvice’s #1 Troll has left, I hope.
Thanks jbot, It’s good you replying in a positive manner.
also agree totally with Phill,
the G6E is simply stunning and classy.
if i wasn’t so short 5.2 tall i would be eventually looking at a falcon next year but unfortunately it will be a focus for me
Why Escort Ghia? The new FG Falcon is for all shaped and sizes!
The other thing about the Falcon which worries me….as I drive a LPG BF ute, it appears the seats do not have enough side support on bolsters as my BF feels like you sit flat on sit and not craddled in it. Plus the padding is soft as and had to get replaced once (which was told foam was crap they put in to start with) – and I aint heavy or large! Will have to look better at this! Thats one thing I like about Aurion is seating better! Will reserve judgement til know more as keen on new LPG ute.
well it all depends on what i earn on what i will get if i only earn just over 60,000 then it will be a focus XR5 would ,love a XR6 turbo or G6E turbo though, but i will be getting a loan to to buy the car so i can put the old tiered VK away and continue to keep the k low on the escort
The GSE Turbo is wickedly hot as. Real classy front and very well all comes together! The style whilst similar is not a BF and upon closer examination there are differences and lots of work has gone into this and I like it!
Please stay on topic
Why were my comments removed????
yep NM it’s the pick of the bunch
Definitely no worse than anyone else’s comments here.. NM’s and Oz’s are still up??? WTF
because they weren’t on topic i would say
yeah TP’s should be removed as well
I don’t know why people complain about the FG looking too much like the BF, you can see where they have kept the same impression but they look different. The VE Commodore maybe be completely new over the VZ, but they’ve still kept the same impression too.
Who was complaining Oz??
jbot, your insult targeted at me was very unnecessary, that’s why they were removed. But at least TP’s comments are gone.
yeah i mean they could have made another AU but they played it safe and its payed off it’s like the VS – VT but the falcon is more new
jbot, Frosty was complaining about it looking too much the same.
Wat was the insult? The truth about what your “friends” on here truely think of you?? Truth hurts mate. Deal with it. So you throw some insults my way too, then have a cry about me doing the same thing??? hypocrite of the highest degree right there.
i can see some posts being deleted
jbot, that is a very paranormal thing to say. You simply don’t know if my “friends” think I’m an idiot or not. I will take back any insults I’ve thrown at you. as long as we get over it, it’s fine.
I know what they said to me Oz..
Yes I have and i’m sorry.
Andrew M, There was only one article in the Car Reviews of “Holden” section which was the Omega ute review which was the only one i could see u backed up holden.
Iam sorry JBOT.
wow duck move on man
Iam still of the opinion that there is a lot more curvature on car as front is more rounded….i.e. shorter overhangs to front wheels as not so much wheels pushed forward as in classy VE, but more so front sides pulled further back towards guards! Iam very suprised nobody has really picked up on this!
EscortGhia, this final to Andrew M sure he does back up GM some times, but he he didnt have to go off and have his tamptrum. So Andrew M, Sorry.
NM, Please explain?
The picture of the XT up top some were, thats not how the XT in real life looks like.
well NM i think they did move the fron wheels forward and the rear wheels backwards it’s the only way they can make the rear door longer
Are plastic rims standard on the XT?
Good review and good car, as I said back in the speculation, concept phase, the car looks too similar to the BF, this can be bad for a number of buyers who are looking for a fresh look (disregard the tech specs), especially if they had a BF II.
Going for a spin in one of these soon, and if it cracks up to what is said, then, excellent job Ford, its going to be a new benchmark for Toyota and Holden to come up with their next 6er!
there called hub caps i i would say yes
NM: at least there is some difference you can see between a VE and an FG! As for the front over hang, I’ve noticed it doesn’t stand out as much now we’ve seen it uncovered.
And I stick to my belief that it looks to similar. There has got to be a balance to stand out as a all new car. I saw my 2nd FG FPV the other day this time on Plenty Road Bundoora before it turned westbound on the Northern Ringroad and it does look too much like the BA/BF in my opinion and yes I did take a couple of photos of it which I will post on a forum that I am a member of. Looking at a VE and the previous VZ you can tell from all angles that it is new with the flared guards, black benzel headlights and a rear that does look different but you can still associate it as a Commodore. The tailights and headlights on the FG could have been changed at least a little, Maybe some round brake/tail lights or L.E.D’s or made a difference with what the XT/XR range have compared to the G6 range and definately the FPV’s. From the rear you see no difference. Makes it easy for someone to replace badges on the rear and front bumper and someone could claim their 40K XR is a 60K FPV. HSV at least did some more difficult alterations to change to make it more exclusive when the VE came out as many in previous model Commodores did exactly what Ford buyers could do.
golfschwein Says: April 13th, 2008 at 11:13 am
I have just read the above posts and laughed so hard I fell over. Just call me Kluger.
LOL….Nice one Golfschwein!
Duck – I don’t know if Plastic Rims are standard on the XT but I’d say Plastic Wheel Covers [or Hub Caps] are..
Im a fan of production car racing,and a ford fan.I hope someone takes the f6 or GT in the 09 production car race series and the 12hr.The f6 in particuler with the new front end and extra power could be a winner,provied they don’t have any issues and can stay on track.Holden also could have a shot with the hsv Club sport,I mean 6 litres and 307kw should go good.Come on ford and holden have a go why don’t Ford & Holden support it and get v8 super car teams to use it as a warm up to the saeson.That would make it like old days.(big,powerful,Aussies v8s,taking it to the smaller imported cars,like minis and cortinas.thats what started the whole aussie muscle car culture,XRGT)I liken old minis to modern day EVOs & STIs.Tyre wear may be the limiting factor thought for both local cars
When does the falcon ute come out?
…………….very good statement Frosty.
Taxis do have a hard life. Stop-Start traffic; Slamming Doors and Boots etc.
Yet if Toyota are supposed to be so strong and reliable why are there so few Toyo-taxis as opposed to Falcons and Commodores?
I’m very confused with fords line up.
frost fpv have to invest in engine development hsv just bye engines and tweak them drop them it there also a hell of alot smaller company than hsv and have a limited budget and why change what look good already hsv’s rear looks crap i hate the round look and if fpv did something similar people would still complain.
as for the ve’s looks well lets see what did they do to chage it i know they put falcon frond lights on it moved the vz’s rear lights up put some flare guards that look ridiculous on the basic model and some bmw doors in the middle and put a holden badge on it the ve is the worst looking commodore to date and ivé liked all the commodores up till the ve but the ve is to much mix and match for me
Does it go like this-
Omega/XT
G6/Berlina
SV6/Xr6
XR6T/SS
XR8/SS or SS V
G6E/Calais
G6ET/Calais V
no its more like this duck
Omega/xt
G6/berlina
sv6/xr6
ss ssv/ xr6t/ xr8
calais/G6E
Calais V/G6ET
DUCK
If you were to place an Orion over a BF and view from above….and transpose this comparison on paper, I think you will find the front is curved more back into front guards. Have a look at very similar front shots of the two cars I talk about and you will see the fronts swoop back more curved towards front wheels!
i.e. you will see less of the headlights. Both shots have to be in very similar position but hey! It looks miles better in the Orion as not slab sided!
If the VE has Falco headlights the the Falco has a Hyundai elantra (previous model to what is out now) and the Corolla of a number of years back that had the 4 round headlights where square ones were still the in thing or even BMW who apart from a few short term cars have always had the 4 round headlights for over 30 years. Its just part of a trend so nobody can claim it as copycatting.
Are the bras going to be optional? Please Ford make those same bras that were covering the ‘Orion’ prototypes available!!!!!
yes yes i know frost but at least ford can say that there falcon is a falcon not there holden is a mixter of other car slapped together to look like a holden
Taxis dont have harder lives… educate yourself. Granted stop start isnt ideal, highway driving is, the fact remains that something like 80% of engine wear is at start up, Taxis get the better part of this. They are also serviced properly, another thing some prviate owners neglect, and another thing that has a major impact on longetivity. Regardless Wheelnut I already mentioned prity much all Taxis in countries like Saudi Arabia are Toyotas, that a harsher environment then Australia! So Im not saying this to be against Ford/Holden, Im saying this because its common sense.
do they sell falcons in Saudi and Arabia?
This Orion will be benchmark for Commodore and Aurion / Camry.
“Makes it easy for someone to replace badges on the rear and front bumper and someone could claim their 40K XR is a 60K FPV. HSV at least did some more difficult alterations to change to make it more exclusive when the VE came out as many in previous model Commodores did exactly what Ford buyers could do.”
U hav got to b jokin……is a completely different front end with the ‘Racoon mask’ not enough for you?…. being the car savvy person u claim to be i am sure a few badges couldnt fool u…. actually given your above comments then maybe…
TAXIS have an easy life says TP!!!!!!
Here we go again arguing stupidity…….how do Taxis not have hard lives?????????
Come on guys we have to ignore this ignoramus that on one hand argues that Taxis have privileged lives but in the rest of the world most Taxis are Toyota’s because Toyota’s are so reliable!!!!!
This person is the most one eyed numnut I’ve ever seen and this web site will become boring and many people will just stop bothering if we continue to engage this wanker with his useless arguments!!!!
yeah dont know what tp’s talking about taxis do over 1,000,000k in there life my car nearly 30 years old and its only done 70.000k and the vk is an everyday driver thats done 200,000 20 + years
Aah yes but in the middle east the sheiks and tycoons et al buy either Chevrolet Impala [SS] or Caprices [Statesmans].. instead of Toyotas.
So whilst they may ride in [someone elses] Aussie built Toytota but they prefer to drive a Holden – as their own personal transport.
yeah thats because holden have something Toyota’s will never have style
That Racoon mask is just part of the bumper. One that can be changed as a direct swap with a XR. Get the new frot bar, change the badges ad what do you have from a external point of view. Oh and get G6E mirrors with the intergrated indicators and what do you have a FPV.
NM: Well the Orion is the latest car, so it ’should’ be the benchmark anwyays, it would be suicide bring out something underpar.
I agree with Frosty someone, it has to stand out as a new car, to have that total wow factor, only the people who read spec sheets, meticulous drivers can tell its a whole new car, for some it may be a one up version of the BF, a BG model.
Exactly, not even a fraction of the population would read up on cars. My brothers don’t even do that and most people looking for a family car don’t. They look at the safety credentials normally asked from a dealer and something that will fit their family and suits the conditions they drive in. Most would not read reviews or check car company websites which I have told my brother to do as he is in the market for a new family car. He is looking for a midrange sedan, etc Berlina/F6 and wants 6 airbags, ESP and Cruise control for the long drives he endures when transferring to different defence force bases with his wife and child.
Oh and it needs to look like a new car, different enough to a old model.
you can mack a omega look like a hsv front guards rear light body kit wheels and badges bam hsv
yeah but the FG still looks fresher than the VE so it dont mater anyway and the BA – BF are still nicer looking cars than the VE as well
CARL,
Yes spot on comment.
CARADVICE…..ummm better correct writeup as EGAS only available in 4sp automatic and this fact has not been made clear…minor as it is!
No, you cannot actually make a Omega look like a HSV without actually changing the rear panels housing a totally different set of L.E.D taillights and also the front side guards are totally different. Expensive exercise. HSV made them different for the exact reason of copycatting.
Thats right Frosty the unique holes for the HSV Taillights is done with a plasma cutter and is done on the production line Elizabeth not at Clayton.
I believe inorder to get a replacement Rear 1/4 Panel for a VE Clubbie you have to quote the VIN and Engine Number etc from a VE Clubbie – HSV then check to see if the car is actually registered or just sitting in a dealership.
there would be reproduction parts out there that would pop strait in a basic VE if there isn’t there will be in time just like there is for every old car out there
and i would rather have change over part on G’s, XR. and FPV because then i don’t have to spend the extra $ on replacing a light.
and at least the XR’s look different to every other Falcon with the different head lights unlike the SS witch is just like ever other commodore but it has a body kit
Its not quite that simple and would not be cost effective as even in the event of a rear end accident panel beaters still need to order one quoting a VE HSV VIN Number. No where near as simple as replacing a front bar, Putting the G6E mirrors and replacing badges.
Maybe so but Holden could change that at any update with relatively little trouble but the SS looks good anyway and they are all Commodores regardless not a different company like Holden and HSV who just use donor cars and aren’t actually owned by Holden, Just like what Ford have done with FPV.
Oh which is why FPV use their own badge now to distiguish Ford from FPV Products just like HSV replaced the standard Holden Lion.
wow whats a a badge you gotta remember hsv has been around how long compared to FPV
and the ve SS look boring my escort has more style than heap of crap hell my VK dose to both look stoke as a rock except for wheels
Escort what the hell are you talking about the fg looks like a bf have a look at a bf xt and a fg xt same front grille similiar lights rear lights almost identical the lights have not moved just a slight change in shape have a look at march wheels magazine a bf next to a fg almost identical and it also has a ve underneath which clearly has a better stance i want you to put a vz next to a ve and there is no similarties, maybe the front grille and that is supported by multiple reviews, ford and fpv’s don’t even have LED’S and they use the same cheap lights and your bf fpv gt was a disgrace a ve ss was quicker no wonder it was put in a xr8 and it still reaches 0-100 in 6.2 also your ba gt had a 5-spped manual with a optional 4-speed auto, yes the hsv’s did have a 4 speed auto but never a 5-spped manual LOL. We took the design of the ba lights wrong the design of the ve was done before the ba came out and if you look at the caprice lights you might think we copied of a mecerdes c-class no again the caprice came out 6 months before the c-class. Review from drive even stated the car looked similar to the bf and is critical when trying to sell. and the fg rear door line is identical to the ve.
Anyway the whole fg range has the same body kit, whatever you think of the ve design is your opinion and obvioulsy your a ford fan and see things diferently. You got to be kidding me a omega a hsv Lol? HSV have a different body kit rear diffuser, front bumber different grille differnt pipes to the whole range. differnt unique LED lights which look great, their own side vents, what does ford have? same rear lights same body kit to fg same grille, front bumper and the rear bumber is the exactly the same and the pipes are exactly the same to the ford range, the hsv has differnet pipes to the ss-v obviously HSV are more individual than FPV. I went to the ford website i saw a bf xt and i thought it was a fg xt identical front grille and front lights and front bumber with the same plastic fog lamp inserts the same sad face look front bumber the rear has not changed and the hub caps are exactly the same are you blind or what? why carnt u admit it looks similar when the experts have stated it?
so i’m a ford fan because i like the look of the FG over the VE (your a holden fan it’s made clear from you post) well i actually like both holden and ford hell i like every commodore but the ve because they got peaces of every car and and put them together ford didn’t copied holdens VE door lines because the body shape was locked in in 2002 the BA was never meant to happen.
ive own 3 car in my life excluding projects a VB SL/E with JP 202 a VK calais 5.0L and a ford Escort 2.0L both the vk and vb are great car but like all holden commodore there worth nuthing it 20 years time the ve and FG will be the same so you can have your VE ss worth nothing I’ll stick with my escort witch only goes up in value
quote: “That Racoon mask is just part of the bumper. One that can be changed as a direct swap with a XR. Get the new frot bar, change the badges ad what do you have from a external point of view. Oh and get G6E mirrors with the intergrated indicators and what do you have a FPV.”
And what about the wheels, side skirts, rear bumper, spoiler & headlights? You also said side mirrors, so in that case you can’t make a visual FPV out of an XR8 by changing the front bumper and badges.
and I’ll admit theres similarity’s between BF2 and FG but the BA – BF2 still IMO looks nicer than the VE and the FG builds on that.
as for the boss 290 it was an engine that was designed to compete with the GEN 3 GTS 300 witch suffered the same problem of low bottom end talk but it was heaver than the GTS 300 and who cares are 4.0L turbo FG flogs you 6.0l v8 and theres the key factor to Holden’s reason they beating fpv there no replacement for displacement except for a turbo or supercharger if whats funny though is hoa the TS50 could acheave times just as quick as the GTS 300 wow and fpv had a 5 speed so what ford had a 6 speed before holden auto thats better than all of Holden’s gearbox’s combined.
EscortGhia, Um are u sure……”I’ll admit theres similarity’s between BF2 and FG but the BA – BF2 still IMO looks nicer than the VE” Are u sure? Because the VE looks nicer than the BF.
EscortGhia, sure a ford fan, but u have to admit the VE looks better than the BA and BF. Thats like me saying the FG still doesnt look as good as the VY and VZ.
OMG what look better, BA or BF or VE???? :shock:
It’s all about personal opinion that you keep to your self and is useless to try and argue about it.
So Oz, whats falcon model would u least want to buy and the most favourite?
^^^^^^^^Out of the new FG range?
Is the least favourite the XR8?
And most favourite……….the G6ET?
Ford is World Class, Give me the new GE6 Turbo or XR6 Turbo even the XR8 is fantastic and will be very competitive to VE V8 lineup, the FPV range is inspiring from all angles, with major updates, power wars won again in this category, thanks Ford, you have provided us with outstanding cars once again………..
You right duck, my least favourite model in the FG range without going into FPV’s is the XR8 and my fav is the G6E Turbo
Falcon needs to conquer the world prior to Ford Oz being world class just like Holden has with the VE has in the Middle East and the U.S plus soon to be Europe. Commodore is the closest Australia has to World Class so far and is the only Australian car that has been nominated for the World Car of the Year Award.
This is my FG Falcon preference list, of course not shared with anyone this is how I personally rate them…
1. G6E Turbo
2. XR6 Turbo
3. G6E
4. G6
5. XR6
6. XT
7. XR8
Hopefully the new front suspension will help cure the XR8 heavy front end handling so it can match or surpass commodore V8
nothing like the new falcon to cause such a stir here…hehehe…
go ford!
my favorite to least favorite is
1. G6E turbo
2. XR6 turbo
3. Xr8
4. G6E
5. G6
6. XT
and i lied i do like 2 models in the ve range the Sports wagon and the statesmen