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Japanese government funded Toyota Prius?

By Alborz Fallah |

Former head of Toyota North America and current Chrysler co-President, Jim Press, has come out with a huge bombshell by saying development of the iconic Prius hybrid car was subsidised by the Japanese government.

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Published last week in BusinessWeek, Press said that while he was working at Toyota, ” The Japanese government paid for 100 percent of the development of the battery and hybrid system that went into the Toyota Prius.

The statement adds further fuel to an argument that has raged on for the greater part of the last decade – are hybrid cars profitable? In the early days many manufacturers publicly stated that Toyota’s Prius program cannot be profitable, while the Big T insisted otherwise all along.

The Japanese giant quickly dismissed the comment made by Press. Toyota spokesman Paul Nolasco said Toyota has never received public money for developing the battery or any other part of the Prius.

” I can say 100 percent that Toyota received absolutely no support — no money, no grants — from the Japanese government for the development of the Prius,” Nolasco told The Associated Press today in Tokyo.

Even if the statement is true, was it wrong for the Japanese government to fund the Prius program? Toyota now has a huge lead in the hybrid market, which was undeniably helped along by the early development of the Prius. Toyota is also the world’s biggest manufacturer, no doubt helped by its green image.

Toyota has sold over one million Prius cars and sales are only increasing.

The word Prius is a Latin word meaning “to go before”. Toyota picked the name to symbolise the car as a taste of what was to come. Looking back, the first Prius sold in Japan in 1997 and 11 years on, the Prius really was a taste of things to come!


 
  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Hey guys at CARADVICE…..change heading as spelt wrong one word!

    LOL, all the might and Government funded it! So much for muscle might of the supposed almighty!

  • No Name

    Oh what a feeling. Can’t do it alone eh!
    And they have been charging extortionate amounts to buy the things as well. Who’s picking up the tab for diposing of the nasty potentially lethal battteries as well. Probably the tax payer. Sound like a good deal. How much money did Toyota make last year.

  • Ab

    “No Name” regarding your “nasty potentially lethal batteries” do you have an alternative solution?

    None of the Aussie car makers seem to be coming out with any concepts for smaller more fuel efficient cars. If anything Holden will just keep slapping on the biggest engine in their sedans, where is the smartness in that? Having over 300Kw is great in a car, but where on your normal roads do you get to actually use that?

    And another thing, is it just me or is anyone else fed up of the numerous “green” concepts that car manufacturers keep throwing at us, with nothing heading towards production?

  • Reckless1

    Ab, you are a tool.

    What generated the Holden bashing in this article about Toyota and its deceptive practises?

    As for Toyota misleading people, what’s new.

    As for potentially lethal battery disposal, that’s an expensive problem waiting to bite the idiots who buy Prius in the arse.

    It would be soooooo nice to be around when the tree huggers get their Toyota Service Bill for the battery replacement – hahaha. I’ll never hear it, though, ’cause I can’t stand tree huggers and their women with armpit hair.

  • Ab

    Well I dont mind being called a tool by an idiot – i figure you wouldnt know any better.

    the “tree hugger” remark really shows your IQ.

    Anyway name one car company thats non deceptive?

  • Jason

    Bugatti…Sold the world’s fastest production car for under its manufacturing cost and even had the heart to tell everybody.

  • TP

    Ab dont worry, these people are Ford and Holden fairies… by stating the facts related to their respective brands, they will get offended.

    The fact is Toyota have cateogrically denied the claims. Even if it was funded, I have no qualms with that, at least it made it to production stage. What did the Australian government do? Funded a hybrid project with the I6 engine which is now scrapped. What a complete waste of my tax payer money.

  • Carl

    TOYOTA tells lies!!!!! NO way i can’t beleive it, it can’t be true……that’s just the tip of the iceberg!!!

    OOOOOwhat a feeling as i rollover in my Kluger!!LOL

  • Carl

    AB, i think you mean 300 KILLER WASPS!!!! Don’t you????

  • Jarrad

    “As for potentially lethal battery disposal, that’s an expensive problem waiting to bite the idiots who buy Prius in the arse.”

    I think they would have sold it on by then.

    What about disposal of potentially lethal 300kw sedans? In 15 years time wait for more bogans/P platers to be wrapped around trees.

  • COBRA

    OMG !!!!!!!!! THE LIES KEEP COMING OUT, TOYLETA IS A DISGRACE, EVERYONE BUYING TOYMOTA WAS SUCKED IN BY THE MEDIA, WELL HOW DUMB CAN YOU BE, “BUT THE AD’S TOLD ME OTHERWISE”, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOLOLOL……………..

  • TP

    People test all vehicles when they buy a vehicle, $20k is alot of money. Most often then not they will go to for eg Ford to test drive a Falcon, then go test drive the Aurion… and buy the Aurion. It applies across all categories. Toyotas vehicles do the talking. Meanwhile the “locals” rely on heavily discounting and selling to fleets.

  • COBRA

    NO, TOYOTA MEDIA (AD’S) DOES THE TALKING, NOT THE VEHICLES……..

  • TP

    Yes Cobra you are right… someone buying a $45k car will not look at competition and compare, they will just buy the vehicle straight away. Idiot. I think your confusing fleet vs prviate buyers, maybe a fleet purchase might involve a lack of thought, but when someone saves up a couple of years for a car they dont rush their decision.

  • arlester

    To all of the people saying toyota lies. Where do you get that opinion from.

    As far as i can see toyota has never lied to the general public.
    Maybe thier fuel consumption figures are a little overdone but i cant think of anything else

  • http://aca Dingo

    Oooouch … Toyota has just once again outsold Holden and Ford’s combined effort.

    The figures for March 2008 have just been released and Toyota’s sole effort without including sales for Lexus totals 21 700 compared to the combined effort of Holden/Ford of 20 400

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

  • realcars

    The plot thickens and the mystery deepens re the worlds first and ugliest hybrid the Prius.

    Millions of lethal batteries to dispose of as they cannot be fully recycled at this stage. Toyota’s version of nuclear waste perhaps. Perhaps Toyota should open a big plastic lined tip in readiness of this impending ecological nightmare.

    This begs the question would u buy a house next to the Toyota Prius battery tip/dump?

  • http://aca Dingo Lov’n The Moment

    continuing … the Camry has just outsold the Falocn while the Falcon only marginally outsold the Aurion. Combined – the Camry/Aurion was easily Australia’s biggest selling unit/duo ecilpising the Commodore by a fair margin.

    That said, the Kluger outsold the Territory (again) while 6 of the top 10 best sellers were Toyota’s.

    Now … that has got be painful

    PS. TP and myself are gonna crack open a coldie and treasure the moment.

    cheers

  • realcars

    Just goes to prove what mediocre crap u can sell with the right marketing/spin.

  • Frugal-One

    The Japanese Gov.Co should indeed assit BigT, after all they are the #1 employer and #1 earner in Japan.

    Only helping the country get ahead by helping Toyota.

    SMART MOVE!!

    Cheers

    F-0

    PS NO DIFFERENT TO ALL THE MONEY OUR GOVCO PAYS TO OUR AUTO-COMPANIES

  • realcars

    Is the Jap Govt going to assist with the disposal of the used batteries?

  • No Name

    Ab – you don’t need me to tell you the alternatives. Diesel Hybrid anyone? Check out the Citroen C-Cactus. Google it.

  • http://aca Dingo Lov’n The Moment

    Well, well, well … have a look at all this p*ss poor lame crap dribbling from the mouths of the Holden and Ford freaks.

    Boo-hoo you bunch or losers – dry those weeping princess eyes and blow those sniffling girly noses.

    OH WHAT A FEELING … TOYOTA

  • Andrew M

    ah who cares if they got government funding????????

    it isnt uncommon for compaines to recieve say a 150% tax deduction for developing new things.

    the funny thing is just aimed at those who swear black and blue that holden and ford are the only ones getting handouts.

    Dingo,
    mate the sales figures of Toyota V Holden V Ford doesnt hurt me.
    i dont have shares in either company so who really cares??
    all i care is that i have a falcon parked in my garage that doesnt make my back go ouch after long trips like it does in the toyota equivalent.
    so to answer your question, No the falcon doesnt hurt me

    TP,
    consumers that test every vehicle before purchase are a rarity.
    i know plenty of people who dont visit every show room.
    it is a well known fact that toyota is known as a default choice amongst the industry, meaning when people think car they think toyota.
    most people who dont care about what they are going to buy go for the “default choice”

  • Ab

    No Name – that’s all well and its great re the Citroen C-Cactus – but lets see if it ever gets to the production stage.

    As for Diesel hybrid – so instead of petrol we just switch to diesel? I mean the battery is still there… what about the disposal of this battery? Also do you realize that the prius has been in production for about 10-11 years. Back in 1998 how many people you knew were worried abt Global warming!? The main concern then was the Y2K bug.

    Diesels make sense in countries where its subsidized, in Australia its more expensive than petrol…

  • tyler

    no wonder jim press is Former head of Toyota North America. i think Chrysler should get rid of him as well.

  • swampdawg

    It is tragic to see that some bogans seem to think you have to change a Hybrids battery pack often. Not the case, Toyota have not changed any Australian prius battery yet due to fault. Also they have a greater warranty on the battery pack.
    Also the battery pack is not like a regular crap battery one would find in say a falcon, commodore or chrysler. Battery packs in Hybrids eventually overtime slowly lose capacity. Not just die unexpectedly like the ‘Big Threes’ rubbish.

  • No Name

    Ab – diesel is 22 cents per litre dearer here in the UK. Its not subsidised by any Euro country as the EU parlimant legislation would simply not allow it.

  • No Name

    Swampdawg – The big three don’t make car batteries just put them in their vehicles, besides standard non-hybrid cars don’t need the same batteries as a hybrid. So you argument fails on all counts.

  • Dlr1

    Regardless of whether a hybrid battery fails after one year or 20 yrs recycling them is a viable option. When current copper prices are around USD$8500 per tonne and nickel around $28,900 per tonne, the value of all hybrid components battery, motors, engines ect will mean that little of the car will end in landfill. Even the humble lead acid battery is now worth a few bucks each when no longer servicable. A few years ago these became landfill.
    Strong prices for all recyclable materials, metal and plastics will see that no car is left “unrecycled”.

  • jamison

    To the people nit picking on the “used” batteries issue..

    Okay one thing…

    Do you guys work for a product development company?

    or have been part of a design team?????
    You guys have engineering backgrounds on this battery technology and know the consequences… maybe documented it?

    because I know for a fact, when you submit a new technology proposal to be utilized for such a significant product as a motor vehicle… you need to meet a lot of regulations… saftey, environment and manufacturing… yup tons of paper work and standards.. not just making it.. but disposal wise.

    Not only that, in Uni, you study a few units that deal with technology and in the last 20 years, manufacturing has been driven by many regulations including environmental…

    Are the batteries dangerous? Yes, when used wrongly… or disposed incorrectly. All batteries contain toxic materials and substances… period.

    You have to ask yourself, how did it get the green light to be manufactured?… they’ll need government approval, and this approval is based on atleast 70,000 cycle testing and evaluations…. so if the Prius’s battery was approved… then that means technically… its the Government who approved it.. and second, the government will have some responsibilities if all Prius batteries all explode and create a poisonous atmosphere that wipes out all living things… even rocks.

    Heck, you know how much toxins everyday food have in them??

    Its just funny… people preaching about whats wrong with something, then forgets that they are already exposed to it everyday.

    anyways back on topic… my point is, there is a proper disposal process when required…. its part of the industry. Metal and plastic etc, they were once a concern too…. and still are.. but manageable these days, but more specifically… most “new” technology or innovation needs to meet environment regulations to be approved.

    And I get it too… its irony… to be driving a “green” car that has an “anti-green” source to power it…

    And COBRA… dont worry, one of these days you wont have to be bagging on GM and Toyota or any other manufacturers “above” your favourite company… and ease up on the anger pills.. you may develop an ulcer…. Ford does not love you…. repeat… Ford does not love you.

  • Carl

    Prius or Hummer….which is greener???????
    i found this article on “Pure green cars .com”

    A debate on the future of electric-hybrid cars like the Toyota Prius is raging after US researchers claimed that their green credentials may not add up.

    Gas-guzzling cars such as the Hummer may actually be more environmentally-friendly than the Prius, the surprising research claimed.

    The debate was sparked by researchers for CNW Marketing in the USA, who said Hummers, the big military-style cars beloved of rappers, scored better than the Prius in terms of carbon cost.

    Prius owners include politicians eager to show their green credentials, but when factors other than fuel consumption and emissions were also taken into account, CNW said the car scored poorly.

    The researchers have pointed out that the nickel used in the Prius battery has to be shipped half-way around the world to Swansea and back again to be refined.

    They also suggested the Prius only does an average of up to a third of the mileage throughout its life, than could be expected from its less fuel-efficient competitor.

    Julian Rosser, director of Friends of the Earth Cymru, said, “The most important thing for people to consider when choosing a new car is to get one as efficient as possible.

    “We’re putting a huge amount of CO2 in the air and car transport is an increasing part of that picture.”

    Researchers counted the nickel content of the battery as one of the Prius’s biggest concerns. Mined in Canada, where local environmentalists are concerned about the process’s ecological impact, the 1,000 tones a year of smelted metal is then taken on a 10,000-mile journey by tanker and diesel train.

    First it arrives in Wales to be refined, then it is shipped to China where it is turned into “nickel foam”, and from there it is sent to Japan where the batteries are made, before being shipped back in cars to the UK, the US or any of the car’s other markets.

    The study suggested such a factor was part of a wider environmental footprint that showed the Hummer coming out better than the Prius.

    According to their figures, the Hummer H3 is expected to do an average 300,000 miles through its driving life, while the Prius is expected to last just 100,000 miles.

    In the States, the “per lifetime mile” calculation used by researchers gave a running cost of $2.07 for the Hummer H3 against the Prius’ $2.87.

    Dr Nieuwenhuis, an expert in cars and the environment, stressed hybrid cars were an important step towards fully-electrical cars.

    They largely rely on petrol power up in built-up areas, and then shows its fuel efficiency by using battery power at higher speeds or on the open road.

    A spokesman for Toyota said the results of the study “ran contrary to all other research in the area”.

    “This study makes some surprising and uncorroborated claims about the total environmental impact of vehicles over the complete lifecycle,” he said.”The conclusions appear to be very different from the results of several other rigorous, scientifically-reviewed studies of the life-cycle impact of vehicles”.

  • Carl

    ^^^^No Name, you might appreciate this article cos you’ve previously been criticised for claiming the batteries in hybrids aren’t environmentally friendly!!!

  • Carl

    ^^^^Jamison, this article makes your argument about government regulations null and void because it only takes into account the actual cost and energy involved in the making of the batteries and not about the toxins and poisons when disposing of them!!!!

  • Carl

    This is proof that Toyota manages to sell rubbish to the masses and convince them that they have a great product, through their massive marketing!!!!!

    Even our lazy, dumb governments are considering giving money to Toyota to build a hybrid Camry in Australia….instead of investing in Hydrogen filling stations they’re taking the easy option and going to spend our taxes on a short term Non-solution….how are we not supposed to be cynical and suspicious of big business and governments that are in their pockets?????

  • Phill

    Toyota corporate imperialism at its best.

  • TP

    Children… this is OLD news, been debated months ago. Look here for the truth behind that bogus comparison with Hummer:

    caradvice.com.au/3779/toyota-bigwig-defends-prius/

    My favourite quote is from the president of CNW, the people published the results, backing up the theory (which you will read, relate to distances each car travelled) I mentioned in the above article:

    “If you can drive the Prius 200,000 miles, and do the same levels of costs and repairs, the cost per mile obviously comes down dramatically.”

    hybridcars.com/envi…..costs.html

  • Carl

    Mr TP, As per usual you can’t reply without using terms like children, fairies, gays and worse so just stick to the point and realise that IF the DREADFULL Hummer came even close to needing less greenhouse gasses to build, run and dispose of, then if we were to compare your precious Prius to a Golf diesel or ever your little petrol Corolla it would be obvious to everyone but you that the Prius is a greenhouse nightmare!!!!!!!

    I eagerly await your reply on whether you think the Corolla or even the Camry wouldn’t be greenhouse gas friendlier than Toyota’s Prius????? if you have the guts to reply or just insult???

  • swampdawg

    Excellent No Brain of April 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm,
    Great to see you have noticed some difference between Hybrid vehicle & non Hybrid veh batteries. They actually differ far > than Ma BTW.
    So you are saying that manufacturers do not specify duty cycles/ performance of their supplied components? Its beyond their control?
    I wonder what batteries you use in yr Leggo toys?

  • TP

    Carl your missing the point completely, the test was a sham… you do realise this dont you. If they had used a Golf it would have performed badly as well compared to a Hummer, because they used such a short time period for it compared to the other vehicle.

  • TP

    mummy mummy please poo on my face! that’s yummy, mummy!

  • Carl

    TP, i realise this but they claimed that they used average miles travelled for each vehicle!!!

    Even if you dispute that the averages were wrong, are you claiming that the process that they described to mine the nickle and make the batteries is wrong as well???

  • Carl

    TO, I’m not just bagging the Prius i will bag any vehicle that uses that much energy to be built!! the Prius cops it now because Toyota claims it’s so greenhouse friendly BUT all other hybrids deserve the same criticism.

    it’s a shame that Toyota and all the other hybrid manufacturers can’t be more honest and just say that we save at the browser but not to kid ourselves that we will be helping the planet by any significant amount!!!!

  • Carl

    TP, back to your basic best ay mate!!! Man your parents must have done a real job on you??? cos you act like you have a small p*nis syndrome not like like a grown adult!!

  • Dlr1

    I cant help but find the following quote amusing “According to their figures, the Hummer H3 is expected to do an average 300,000 miles through its driving life, while the Prius is expected to last just 100,000 miles.”

    Have i missed something? From all the comments ive read about the H3 i cant help but think they got the two mileages mixed up. 480,000km from a H3? are they kidding. How many POS hummers will do this before replacing EVERY major component. And having seen a few prius(es?) with over 200,000km and still going strong their “research” seems a bit suspect.

  • Macro

    Ab, you have my support

    those muscle car do get us excited, but there is no point to drive them everyday on a public road.

    even with Crysler’s so call ACTIVE CYCLINDER MANGEMENT, the 300C V8 fuel consumption can get lower than 15L/100KM…

    idiot will drive that.

    I have driven the Prius from Melbourne to Sydney, and @110KM/H, it still has good acceleration to help me get past trucks, mind you, I got 4 people on board, and I am over 100KG, which = 2 thiner female :P , + a hell load of accessories at the back.
    The Prius may be a bit expensive here for new, but you can get a second hand @40000-50000KM for $25K, why not ?

  • Macro

    Carl………US researcher never favor anything “real green”, simply because their nation needed so many supporter to support their rubbish big cars in order to keep Ford and GM alive.

    Last year they even have a award for a US SUV “hybrid” which does less than 20mpg as “green car of the year”, well, that let me laugh for a while.

    so, when it comes to green I don’t know who to get advise from , but certainly not from US’s

  • Sparksy

    I guess Toyota are the first company that recieved government assistance to build a car they actually proceeded to market, unlike when Holden received a heap of assistance from the CSIRO in developing the Ecommodore which never made it to market even if the concept was proven. The sad thing is the Ecommodore used all Australian engines while the current Commodores all have imported engines, so not only did Holden take the government assistance but they flushed it down the toilet when it was finished. Well not right down the toilet, they run the concept car around the motor shows which is pretty lame.
    I wonder what the Japanese government have recieved in taxes from Prius sales globally? I suspect if they did pay for the developement of the hybrid system they are getting a great return on the investment, a lot better than the Australian government got from the Ecommodore!

  • Sparksy

    Carl,
    The transport costs of transporting the nickel half way around the world would be under $100 which is about what it would cost you to send a 15kg parcel from Australia to the USA via UPS The nickel mine in Canada is less polluted now than it was in 1930 which is long before the Prius battery went into production. The nickel for batteries accounts for about 1% of production, the balance is used in high strength steel, alloys and stainless steel, something you might find in abundance in a Hummer. You may even have some Sudbury nickel in your pocket, in a coin.
    It is worth noting the report you refer to was contrived by a marketing company CNW Marketing not written by a reputable research agency. I wonder who paid them? Would it have been GM? Hmmm?
    The battery is made of nickel (valuable and recyclable) plastic (recyclable) and steel (Recyclable) with a caustic electrolyte which can be neutralised and disposed of safely and legally in the sewer. Toyota will pay $200 for any battery returned to them for recycling and I’m sure they will get $300 from the recyclers.

  • Sparksy

    “No Name Says:
    April 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 pm
    Swampdawg – The big three don’t make car batteries just put them in their vehicles, besides standard non-hybrid cars don’t need the same batteries as a hybrid. So you argument fails on all counts.”
    Toyota don’t make the hybrid vehicle battery either, it was made by Panasonic, Toyota “just put them in their vehicles”.

  • Sparksy

    “tyler Says:
    April 3rd, 2008 at 8:52 pm
    no wonder jim press is Former head of Toyota North America. i think Chrysler should get rid of him as well. ”

    Good point, I wouldn’t want this clown on my team.

  • electromechanicAl

    This is such nonsense. Why is this being discussed and why do I even reply…. To say the Japanese government contributed nothing to the development of the Prius is like saying the Highway Patrol (in the U.S.) doesn’t drive Ford Crown Victorias. In other words, the Japanese Government has purchased enough Toyotas to fund just about any Toyota project. It might not appear on paper that way. The U.S. Government likewise purchases Fords, Chryslers, Cadillacs, Chevrolets etc.

  • electromechanicAl

    Please,
    The U.S. Government buys big cars and big trucks. They all require factories and assembly lines. Does the DNR in anyone’s state in the U.S. drive fleets of Chevy S-10 trucks? NO they drive 1/2 to full ton pickups and big utility vehicles. When is the last time you saw a politician get out of a Dodge Neon? NO they drive Big Cadillacs or Lincolns or Chryslers. Does the Secret Service drive Ford Escapes? NO they drive Ford Excursions. The automakers in the U.S. are left with plants that build big cars and trucks. So what now (?) a bunch of no-it-alls criticizing the auto-makers for making big cars. Maybe the automakers in the U.S. should do it all for free. Pay the workers $15 an hour. They should build assembly plants when no government agency in the U.S. buys the cars they build. Nonsense.
    Thank you.

  • Ally Hagu

    The Japs conquered the car markets very systematically, picking, in about 1971, Switzerland as test terrain for Europe.
    The Prius is an accident! Toyota was preparing for stricter fuel standards in Cailfornia. By the time the car came out, fuel standards had been relaxed again, due to the oil lobby in Wash. DC.
    We do need to reduce the fumes in the cities and the noise plus of course spend less Dollars in the Middle East. So the Prius makes sense, but I am not sure if I can afford one.