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Speed limits: Up in Texas, down on Germany’s autobahns

By Tim Beissmann |

Germany’s speed limit-exempt autobahn system faces a new challenge in the form of a recently elected Green party which plans to cap speeds to reduce vehicle emissions.

A collation of the Greens and the Social Democrats took power in the German state of Baden-Wuerttemberg following the March 27 election.

Baden-Wuerttemberg is the country’s third-largest state and its capital, Stuttgart, is home to Mercedes-Benz and Porsche.

The Social Democrats want to implement a 130km/h speed limit on the state’s autobahns, while Green Premier Winfried Kretschmann said he was in favour of 120km/h limits.

“Traffic in Baden-Wuerttemberg contributes about 30 percent to [the state’s total] CO2 emissions,” Mr Kretschmann said.

“It’s clear that the transportation sector has to make a contribution of its own to reduce this gas that’s harmful to the environment.”

Opponents of the new government’s proposal have highlighted the fact that only a tiny proportion (estimates suggest around two percent) of the nation’s driving takes place on unrestricted autobahns, and subsequently the CO2 savings will be minimal.

Germany’s autobahn highway network stretches 12,200km and about 45 percent of that is unlimited. It has an advisory speed limit of 130km/h.

Porsche has not commented on the outcome of the election, but Daimler CEO Dieter Zetsche said high-speed autobahns were important to both Germany and the development of Mercedes-Benz vehicles.

Meanwhile, the Department of Transport in Texas, US, is driving in the other direction, with the House of Representatives recently approving a bill to raise speed limits to as high as 85mph (137km/h).

Texas already has 840km of highway with 80mph (129km/h) speed limits, so the jump to 85mph isn’t quite as dramatic as the German proposal.

It won’t be as simple as putting up new speed signs, however. The Department of Transport will have to conduct a series of traffic and engineering studies in order to get approval to increase the speed limit.

Just like in Germany, the plan has its detractors.

Southwestern Insurance Information Service spokesman, Jerry Johns, told the Dallas Morning News he believed 85mph was just too fast.

“The two things that kill most people on our highways are speed and alcohol. Increasing it to 85 … will have a dramatic impact on the death and injury rate on those highways where it’s implemented,” Mr Johns said.

“Eighty-five miles per hour is simply too fast to drive even on a flat road. Any little hitch can cause an accident at that speed. There is still traffic on those roads, and to drive 85mph is simply ludicrous.”


 
  • Ford

    The problem in Germany is that most of the cars driving on the Autobahn are old 1.4l GOLFS..

    • F1MotoGP

      Rubbish! Where you this info from?? I was there 3 months ago and I go there every year, yes there is some old cars but mostly modern new cars. Average German cars have never been older, with an average age of 8 1/2 years. Source: Price Waterhouse. I Australia is at 31 March 2010, the average age of all vehicles registered was 10.0 years. Source: ABS

      • QAZ

        Average 8 1/2 yo is not “mostly modern new”, though its also not very old.

    • Animbo

      Is this the beginning of the end of de-restricted Autobahnen in Germany? This would be very sad indeed. However, I doubt this would happen any time soon in the more conservative neighbouring Bavaria.

      It is truly a great driving experience jumping on a freeway and not having to worry about your speed and moron drivers. I was surprised how well trained they are on the freeway over there. If you are in Europe in a nearby coutry, pop over to Germany for a couple of days. It is certainly worth hiring a beemer,merc or audi and experiencing driving the way it should be – with common sense laws!

      Meanwhile, we are stuck here in Australia in the 1950′s with our pathetic, slow, microsleep inducing 110km/h speed limits. 130km/h seems a reasonable freeway speed and tends to be the norm in the EU and US and I think should be the norm here.

  • BK

    Das ist ein gut

    • Blitzkrieg

      Warum ist es gut.

  • F1MotoGP

    Rubbish! Where you this info from?? I was there 3 months ago and I go there every year, yes there is some old cars but mostly modern new cars. Average German cars have never been older, with an average age of 8 1/2 years. Source: Price Waterhouse. I Australia is at 31 March 2010, the average age of all vehicles registered was 10.0 years. Source: ABS

  • XA-Mont

    I like the idea of a different speed limit for the day and the night.

    • Mih

      how do drives know exactly when it becomes ‘night’ though? Is it at a certain time or dependent on the levels of light?

      • Peter

        Probably when it gets dark. Use some common sense.

    • topdog

      Yes i like that idea too. Thats a good way to get higher day time speed limits here in australia. The posted speed limits we have on or freeways is set to acomadate day night and rain for all conditions. So on good day we should be able to drive bit faster and at night or rain set the limit bit slower makes sense

    • Valet Dabess

      should night time be higher then day time since there’ll be less vehicles on the road?

      • Kieran

        Little issue of visibility there, topdog!! I’d much rather be doing 150km/h during the day with more traffic (within reason), than the same speed at night with little traffic! However, if the roads were better-lit, it might work (but the energy and spending required to do that would be ridiculous!)

  • Jimmy

    It’s pretty widely accepted that highway driving produces much less harmful emissions compared to urban driving. Not sure why they’re focussing on capping autobahn speeds, they should be pushing for greener vehicle subsidies and/or more efficient public transport infrastructure in cities if they want to reduce emissions.

  • http://www.jocman.com Runnaln

    Please will somebody think about the Children !!, Traveling at over 100km/h is a crime against Humanity, and the people of Texas and Germany should be brought before the European Court of Human rights immediatly.

    But wait they have a lower road fatality rate than Australia with our draconian enforcement regime, have the powers that be been lieing to us, is it not realy a henous crime, is it only about raising revenue. Oh the shame.

    Shame on you that was our planet! You maniacs! You blew it up! Damn you! Damn you all to Hell!

    • Zeh

      Ah… Sorry…
      I didn’t mean to interrupt but,
      can I have another cookie?

  • Eric

    Are there still roads in the T.N that have no speed limit??

    • toxic_horse

      not any more , its all 130 but if you get off the stuart highway no one is going to know.

  • Jon

    Small VW, Audi, BMW and Benz cars can go over 200km/h easily.

    • Eric

      Ahh yes but can the drivers easily stop them at 200km/h

      • Kieran

        Good point, but not really the issue. German drivers, as a general rule, are pretty damn good; the standard of driving is MUCH higher than in Australia.

        The reductions, though, are for environmental reasons, supposedly. Willing to bet the people of Baden-Württemberg won’t be too happy with their recent decision after they start enforcing this!

  • Wayne Kerr

    Nonetheless, that still leaves German speed limits higher than ours. But it doesn’t mean that Greenies taking over is a good thing, I can see this not working well for courier and freight services.

    • richard

      Trucks etc in Germany have a capped speed limit anyway. Either 90 or 100km/h

  • Chris

    Bring on compulsory Advanced Driver Training courses for ALL new drivers and higher (120-130 km/h)speed limits on our reasonable freeways for newer cars. Bring speed limits down for Old cars.

    Why do I have to drive 110km/h on a Freeway in my 2010 Porsche while the guy in a rusty VN Commodore is allowed to do the same?. Its a JOKE!

    • NOMOBS

      Its called tall poppy syndrome Chris.

  • http://www.holotropik.com technofreak

    Oh these specialists will never get it. If you put people in any machine that goes travels on wheels they will crash. Just give up trying to manipulate speed limits and actually train people to bloody drive!

    The death toll will never reduce until you stop giving a licence to every person that wants one. Road rules don’t teach people to handle a vehicle at any speed, fools…

    But that would mean no money from taxes wouldn’t it? eh?

    It’s like watching a cartoon with these specialists and politicians puffing up their chests and pronouncing these amazing plans that do absolutely nothing…boring!!

  • Jacob Martyn

    Note: they wanna reduce the speed limit for emissions reasons, not “safety” reasons as they do here.

    My solution: mandate petrol to be carbon neutral. No more emissions and no more speed limits!

  • Stefan

    I am from Germany and 85mph is not an issue over there. Yes it can be safe. However what has nowhere been mentioned so far:
    The “no speed limit” on Germany motorways only applies to vehicles with a GVWR of less than 3.5 metric tons (about 7600lbs) and for vehicles without trailers. Every vehicle heavier than that is bound to 50mph.
    Vehicles with trailers are either limited to 50mph or 60mph. To get a license to tow a trailer with 60 mph the the vehicle has to have a GVWR of less than 3.5 tons and has to way 1.5 times as much as the trailer and has to be equipped with ABS brakes.
    I really don’t have a problem with 85mph on Texas highways as long it does not apply to vehicles with trailers or trucks.
    18 wheelers going down the highway with 85mph are just outright irresponsible and dangerous.

    • Phil C.

      Texas has lower speed limit of 70mph for trucks and people towing.

      Advanced driver education for ALL drivers, not just new drivers.

      130kmh speed limits are a good thing. If they want to compare CO2 emissions, then by offering a higher travelling speed, you make car travel more competitive with flying. Short haul flying has a higher CO2.

      130kmh could promote regional tourism.

  • Sam

    How do we know when it is night? When the moon is full. At all other times its is still daylight!

  • save it for the track

    There are some sections of some freeways in Australia that could handle 130, but certainly not all. Our highways and freeways are not built to German standards in terms of gradient/sight-lines and thickness of road surface. Improve those and I’d agree that 130 on a freeway in Australia would be acceptable.
    .

    • NOMOBS

      The roads in Australia are DELIBERATELY designed to discourage anyone from driving at anything more than a snails pace. Have you ever noticed, even on motorways, that roads bank AWAY from turns instead of WITH them?

  • mcl334

    an 8y old merc is better engineered than a new holden or ford!

  • Andrew Juma

    I personally vote for 150 kmph limits on Australian highways.