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Pontiac pumps big ad dollars into G8

By George Skentzos |

The Holden Commodore derived Pontiac G8 won’t have to rely on its reputation alone to sell in the US, with Pontiac announcing that the G8 will be its most heavily advertised vehicle this year.

Pontiac pumps big ad dollars into G8

The brand will rely on traditional media, as opposed to new age web and viral marketing, promoting its four-wheeled savior in television ads during college sporting events among others. General Motors does not disclose its marketing budgets, but a typical product launch like this could cost hundreds of millions.

“It’s not that we won’t do Internet, but being a flagship product, we want to be making an extreme statement,” says Brian Shipman, G8 product manager. “The G8 is worthy of having our best effort in advertising.”

The use of TV and print to reach a wider audience is aimed at bringing more traffic into Pontiac showrooms.

“We do need it,” says Mike Bowsher, owner of Carl Black Buick-Pontiac-GMC in Kennesaw, Ga. “I don’t want to sound like we’re desperate, but we do need this.”

The G8′s main rivals are the Dodge Charger and Nissan Maxima, with the BMW 5 series and Infiniti G35 as “aspirational” targets, Shipman says.

Pontiac pumps big ad dollars into G8

Currently, Holden’s only manufacturing plant in Elizabeth can produce around 30,000 G8′s to export to the US each year, which insiders forecast isn’t nearly enough to meet demand.

“One thing about GM is if the demand is there, they’ll find a way to make more of it,” says Bowsher.

The base model Commodore SS equivalent G8 GT sells for roughly AUD$32,361.58 in the States, severely undercutting the local Australian sticker price.


 
  • Mitch

    Maybe take over the old mitsu plant?

  • golfschwein

    Oh no, so unfair, bleat bleat, Holden are really ripping us off, whinge moan, why are we being charged 55 grand for the same car, puke vommy, Holden sux INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH, maaaaaan!!! They should let us have this car for 32 grand and charge the yanks 55 grand yer serve em right ha! rant rave STICK IT UP EM blah blah blah I’m a trainee economist and I should know so there yeah but no

  • Frugal One

    Take away $2k in shipping and transport charges, and you have yourself a $29,990 SS Commodore.

    How about it Holden? You *COULD* if you wanted to….

    Cheers

    F-0

  • Mitch

    they would probably sell a extra 100 thousand of them.

  • Oz.

    I love to see all their commercials

  • Glen

    dont forget to add the taxes that the american don’t have to disclose with their list prices. Still they dont pay anywhere near as much tax as we do.

  • FORD MONDEO WINS AUSTRALIA’S BEST CARS

    Geez Holdenwoo is looking down a barrel of sales death, the people who bought trust from a company that struggle with main elements, like building good relationships between company and customers, good quality products, the truth about what they build behind closed doors eg.. rebadging, while Holden does such a great job to realize such blatant declining ambition to satisfy needs and wants towards Australian public.

    The article belows demonstrates Holdens shortfall in the market including the frustration that extends to the gullable customers who become blinded by Holdens advertising blinkers, NOW, the once good Rodeo engineered by IZUZU was a reliable unit but since the Thailand takeover this became an unrealiable product, how does the current owners feel about the name Rodeo leaving Australian shores (Me Don’t Care), I’m sure ute resale value, part sourcing, etc etc, will be widely effected not to mention the wallet…

    Rodeo to become Colorado as Holden is forced to kill-off its 30-year-old LCV nameplate
    By MARTON PETTENDY
    4 March 2008
    GM HOLDEN will retire its popular Rodeo nameplate within months because it does not own the right to continue to use it.

    Once Australia’s top-selling light commercial vehicle name, the Rodeo badge will become history from about June because Isuzu, which manufactures Australia’s Rodeo in Thailand, owns it and will prevent Holden from using it following the formal separation between Isuzu and Holden’s parent company General Motors.

    GM announced in mid-2006 that it would sell its remaining 7.9 per cent stake in Isuzu to raise about $US300 million following the US giant’s $US8.6 billion loss the previous year.

    The announcement heralded the end of a successful product-sharing arrangement that began in 1971, and followed the sale of GM interests in Suzuki and Subaru parent company Fuji Heavy Industries for a total of $US2.7 billion only months earlier.

    The demise of the Rodeo name will come as a marketing blow to Holden and its representative in one of Australia’s most important vehicle segments.

    The fifth-generation RA-series model, launched here in March 2003, suffered a 14.2 per cent decline in popularity in 2007, when 8978 sales made it Australia’s fourth best selling 4×2 utility behind Toyota’s HiLux, Ford’s Falcon ute and Holden’s own Ute.

  • http://FPV Captain Mainwaring

    To sell it in America they have to charge what that market will bear, but every extra unit temporarily improves the economics of the Elizabeth factory. Forget about the yanks getting what looks like a sweet deal, but think about the fact that Australia is an expensive place to make cars because the market is too small to support a full manufacturing operation, especially when the industry is geared towards a declining market segment. It’s only lasted as long as it has because of tariff barriers and Govt. subsidies, but the end is not far away. Mitsubishi was only the first to go.

  • golfschwein

    Well, that’s mighty interesting, and beautifully written too.

    Did you remember the Pontiac G8 in all of that?

  • golfschwein

    My first post wasn’t serious, folks. It was a piss-take of all who get on here and moan about the price the car’s sold for in America.

    My message is, as always, Go To Bunnings. Go To Bunnings, buy some wood, build a bridge and get over it.

    Oops Captain Mainwaring, my previous post wasn’t directed at you.

  • http://FPV Captain Mainwaring

    I knew that Golfschwein but thanks anyway.

  • XR2_Capri

    ford australia make a left hook falcon and shoe horn a F250 motor in it or use the GT40 motor and give us the GTHO so we can see something great before we have to see V8 supercar commodore vs taurus

  • Oz.

    XR2_Capri, which F250 motor are you talking about? I can’t imagine the 7.3L :)

  • http://. Naughtyius Maximus

    Will do well as reality is a classy looking car like the VE….where are Ford with the Falcon?

  • Realcars

    So Holden is ripping the Australian Car buying public off.
    Whats new.

  • Realcars

    I agree NM it should do well over there.
    Re the last comment:I suppose all the Car makers are doing the same to the Australian public. Hopefully the Koreans will continue to improve and continue to drive Australian prices down. Have my suspicions that they may start to adhere to the same price fixing / anti competitive behavior once they have achieved market penetration.

  • Andrew M

    FORD MONDEO WINS AUSTRALIA’S BEST CARS,
    mate i know that was an off topic post but you did answer a question on mine that stumped me a while ago.

    i even asked the question on here as to how holden was able to continue rebadging the isuzu’s since they had sold their share………..
    well that settles it….they wont be for much longer

  • Andrew M

    guys is the glass half full or half empty?

    i mean is holden really ripping the aussies off or are they heavily cutting their throats when they palm them overseas?
    does anyone know?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ask Wheelnut…..

  • golfschwein

    They might be making a bit of money, Andrew M.

    I do. You do. Bavarian Missile does. It makes the world go round. Maybe they even make enough to fund a forward model programme. I can’t belieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeve how people STILL go on about the price they sell for in America.

    GO TO BUNNINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Tranquillizer

    if not 32K, at least holden should have done it 35-38K for aussies

  • GhisGT

    I don’t understand, Ford sells the Falcon for the same money… so who acutally knows what it costs to build a Falcon, who actually knows how much it is to build a Commodore.

    Thats what I thought. None of you. You are all making it up as you go along, which doesn’t make you look very clever.

    Have a nice day.

  • golfschwein

    Bunnings is, like, this really big firm in Western Australia that sells massive amounts of timber. So, you can buy your timber, build a bridge out of it kind of thing, then GET OVER IT!!

  • GhisGT

    Bunnings arn’t just in WA, there are millions of them in NSW too.

  • golfschwein

    Thanks GhisGT. Probably a huge multi-national, for all I know hehe.

  • Frugal One

    BUNNINGS?

    Nothing more that a total rip-off of HomeDepot in USA.

    Bunnings copied the staff uniform, motto and box-store style.

    Total scammers!

    “LOW PRICES ARE JUST THE BEGINNING OF THE LIES”

    Cheers,

    F-0

    PS Whats it got to do with a Pontiac G8

    PSS Oh, and the largest Bunnings store in AUS is located in Melb.

  • golfschwein

    Hi Frugal, you’ll see how Bunnings came to be mentioned in my ealier posts. Yes, they were about the Pontiac. :)

  • Oz.

    Hey Bunnings are in QLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wheelnut

    From what I can gather GM-Holden are selling the G8s in America at a slight-loss inorder be competitive and seen as aviable alternative to the other cars already in the market over there as well as gain a share of the market.

    It’s also got alot to do with economics.. because they would rather sell a greater number at a slightly reduced price thereby increse demand rather than sell a few units at the normal or higher price.. as that will help keep the Factory at Elizabeth turning over and keep the money coming in.

    Because that way they will be able to recover the costs of Research and Development spent on the VE and introduce new models or new technology sooner than wht they would if the VE was an Oz only Option.

    Hope this helps explain it a little bit for you

  • Oz.

    That makes sense. Thanks Wheelnut for finally bringing this back on topic again.

  • Wheelnut

    In rear-guards as to how much it costs Holden to Build a Commodore.. When I did a tour of rhe Holden Factory sduring the VT-VX era; I seem to recall that the tour guide mentioned that it costs them approximately $16-20K to build a car depending upon the specifications… that is Ute Sedan or Wagon….V6 or V8 etc.

  • Wheelnut

    Apparently WestFarmers; the company that owns Bunnings also Owns Coles.. which could mean in a couple of years you can go to Coles and pick up Milk, Bread, Cereal; some pieces of 4×2 and a Nail Gun [or vice versa].

  • Andrew M

    Golf,
    mate anyone who is silly enough to go to bunnings to buy their materials for a bridge, wouldnt have any idea of how to build one.
    the staff would tell you timber is in isle 15 when it is really in isle 3.
    then they would tell you that MDF would be the go for such out door projects.
    then they would try to sell you a “swaheilie” branded drill expecting you to believe it is the best brand you can get even though its a $10 drill.
    then when you are trying to pay for it the cashier would have to flip through 3 or 4 binders to try and find a product code and thats after the cashier figures out it is a piece of timber!!!

  • Andrew M

    golf,
    also it seems my prediction of how the exports compare financially seem to be on the right track as Wheelnut has confirmed they do actually make a small loss on them.

    im not one of those saying we need $29K SS commodores.
    i was originally saying gee they must be cutting their throats on their exports then.

  • Frosty

    Just off subject for one moment. Westfarmers own Bunnings and are Australian owned and run. They are not anything to do with Home Depot in the U.S.A. Westfarmers also now have control of all old Coles businesses etc Officeworks.

    As has been mentioned in previous posts Holden are doing what they can to ensure survival in Australia. They cannot survive on Australia’s small market. If it meas competing on price with U,S built products so be it. It still means more production coming out of Elizabeth and therefore more employment for Australians.

  • Wheelnut

    That’s it… sell at a loss now inorder to help establish your product in the market.. then as your reputation for quality and performance etc improves so too will demand then you will be able to gradually increase the price to a point where you could break even

    And yes I realise there are those Euro lovers out there who would laught at the fact I used Holden and Quality in the same sentence.. but compared to most of the cars built in the USA.. the Commodore is a quality product and the Americans are starting to notice this.
    Hence the demand for the once popular US built PicK-Ups SUVs etc declining in favour of the imports from Europe Japan and Australia

  • XR2_Capri

    Oz,
    I dont care which f250 or any motor ford care to choose just give the ford supporters something to go “WOW!!!!! look at that thing a GTHO with balls”. May be a F6 with 350KW or as I said earlier GT40 motor.
    I am a ford supporter but you have to give it to GM and Holden they are making the Aussie commodore platform an important part of there world car making business be it vauxhal or pontiac.
    From what I procieve Ford US in which ford Australia answer to thinks that the F series will see them through and not acting upon the quality ford australia does in big cars.

  • golfschwein

    Andrew M, I hope you didn’t take me toooooo seriously. I’m the first to admit I can’t fashion anything out of wood or steel, but I can paint and garden.

    All I was trying to do was bring about a stop to the incessant bleating about the Pontiac G8 selling for 32 large in the USA. I piled the piss-take on so thick and creamy I think I’ve put a stop to it!

    All we need now is for TP to come on strong without giving any indication that he’s read anyone’s previous posts!

  • Andrew M

    Golf,
    mate when ever i talk bunnings im not talking seriously either ha ha ha ha

    in the wrap up though i was just continually clarifying i was NOT whinging because we shold be getting sub $30K SS commodores.

    wheelnut,
    how far below cost are they selling them for?
    im sure they cant throw 20K on them to bring them up to aus prices though. perhaps phase 5 grand on them over time.
    i also thought pontiac was established enough not to require such marketing tactics????

    but either way it is common practice for companies wanting to break into a market or even gobble the competition.
    the off topic mention of bunnings is a great example of that. also the mention of coles and i suppose woolworths/safeway is the same.
    well here in QLD supermarkets cant hold liquor licenses so coles and woolies/safeway went out and bought just about every single liquor store and dropped prices to wipe out the independants.
    and then guess what now that they have the monopoly……….
    yep expect to pay another 5 buck for your carton overnight

  • Daniel Dacey

    I trust the boy going by “FORD MONDEO WINS AUSTRALIA’S BEST CARS” doesn’t want us to believe Ford are any better when it comes to build quality and reliability?

    As someone who owned a BA Mark 2 GT I certainly beg to differ.

    Dan

  • golfschwein

    Dan, I didn’t understand your post. Do you mean your GT has been exemplary or a dog?

  • GhisGT

    Going by his use of past-tense, I’d say it’s more towards the canine end of the scale, and in which case I would have to agree, which is why I own both. Commodore family, Ford fun weekender.

  • Tachyon

    Why is it that when the american’s get hold of a good looking car, they instantly think, I know well give it an ugly nose, and dodgy interior visuals?

  • Wheelnut

    I’m not sure how much of a reduction in price GM-Holden are selling the G8s for

    However in relation to Pontiac; there are a number of yanks on http://www.autoblog.com who are ashamed of Pontiac and believe that it is now a shell of its former self as it was once the performance car division of the US based GM companies

    but are now have a number of rather boring cars.. so much so that they want GM to change Pontiac to Holden mainly because they are so impressed with the looks and performance of the G8