Melbourne Motor Show: HSV W427
29 Feb, 2008
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The GM LS7 engine has made its official debut in the HSV range, with the impressive W427 - boasted as Australia’s first true supercar.
Its 7.0-litre V8 engine develops an incredible 370kW and a stump-pulling 640Nm.
Topped off with 20-inch alloy wheels and a carbon-fiber lip spoiler, the W427 will be hand built at a rate of 4 per week.
No word yet on final pricing, however expect north of $125,000.
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:24 am
$125,000+ HOLY CRAP……I would rather have 2 GT’s and get CAPA Tuned
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am
That looks tough as nuts. Take that, Germany!
I want to see Clarkson (and The Stig) spend some time with this.
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:53 am
As long as you own a petrol station.
To pay that sort of money for one come on, and the power, see those lights flashing behind you.
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am
A lot of money for a commodore. Pretty prediactable from HSV, don’t engineer the engine itself rather just grab whatever the Corvette has. Must say at least Holden had a go with the coupe but still its just a 2 door commodore. I bet Holden were thinking “Hey we did this 10 years ago and got huge amount of attention lets do the exact same thing”
So the W427 (obviously uncle Tom had something to do with that stupid model name) is going into production? No wonder they’ve put $125000 on the thing, they’re not gonna sell many so probably have a big profit margin.
Wouldnt it have more sense to call it a GTS-R, they didnt have to paint it canary yellow but just would of made more sense.
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Wow, what a fugly car. I’m quite a fan of the rest of the E series range - Clubbie, Grange and Maloo et al (apart from the silly black grille piece on the GTS). This looks ridiculous, totally tasteless
At least it will be feral in a straight line and shouldn’t be too bad in corners, although I wonder what sort of tyre / TC package they have for it as it will probably have similar issues to an E63 AMG - plant it in a straight line in the wet even while doing 60km/h and it will struggle to get all that torque to the pavement.
Apparently they are taking it to a special test facility (ice rink or something like that) in Sweden to calibrate the stability control. This I don’t get; they figure that if it can get traction on ice then it’ll have traction on tarmac - true, but won’t it just be all wrong? Why not just get it right by testing it on wet/dry bitumen?
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Mean looking car for a commodore…. yes it does nearly have the power of a Super car.. but i doubt it will go like one…. Super cars need to do less then 4sec to 100km/h and also need to go faster then 300km/h standard… all of this needs to be done while all standard… no tuning or nothing or its not a supercar.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:05 am
That’s not a super car. That’s a tuned Club with a body kit. Hell in 10 years all the yobbos will driving a clubby with this body kit and a giant exhaust on their way to centrelink.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:17 am
I’m glad Holden built this, it needed to be done. But I’m not very fond of the wheels, especially compared to the spectacular examples found on the HSV GTS itself. I don’t actually mind the front end at all.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Poor Ford and FPV. Unless they have some giant engine that they plan to slip into their new Falcon then I reckon they’ll pretty pissed-off with Holden and their W427 and Coupe.
Ford’s 5.4 litre motor is a good engine, but as they say “there is no substitute for cubes”.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Glen, what a mealy mouthed grudge you display.
You think Walkinshaw needs to design and buid a completely new engine for a small production run, eh? What a stupid idea that would be, when a perfectly good engine is already available.
This being the first of the series, will aslo mean there is plenty of insane power waiting to be turned on very easily.
Supercar - definately. Even if some dickheads declare it isn’t.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Ford could use the 5.4 blown engine from the Ford GT or the Shelby Mustang with 410kw.
i think instead of going bigger Kw’s they need to make the cars lighter to make use of the power they already have.
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am
so if this things is a So called SUPER CAR… so this could compete with a GT40… or zonda or Lambo, F430…. for some reasons i dont think so… in still in the GT class of DB9,Mustang, RS4, M3… but not SUPER CAR… yes i think it would have so go dont get me wrong… but i could call it a super car… i would expect a proclaim Super car would have more then 370Kw… especially for a car that wieghts this much…
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Great!!
I like it, would/nt pay that sort of money for a Holden, but yeah BigBlock is what its all about.OnYa
Holden really are out to hurt Ford, taking away all its thunder with its 3 new releases!
Message to FORD:
Give up, don’t bother going on, stop the rot now, the Foulcan is DOOMED [G.E.T. O.V.E.R I.I!]
Cheers
F-0
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February 29th, 2008 at 11:02 am
anyone think that Ford hasnt release the Power figures for the FPVs to see what holden was release there today?? and the next month or 2 to tweak the power a liitle more if needing to for the Typhoon….
Frugal one… dont count ya chicken yet champ… who knows ford may do something crazy and also release a limited Vehile insd a F6-HO or something…. so dont worry… and dont forget the GTHO is only around the corner…
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February 29th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
More for Glen: When wasn’t a Monaro based on a 4 door sedan? NEVER!
This and the Coupe60 are fantastic.
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February 29th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Supercar or not, some of your are trying to compare this to $400k cars.
Not sure on the wheels, but I would certainly like to take one for a spin!
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February 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Does anybody know what the W in W427 stands for?
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February 29th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Ah Mitch you could also use the 5.4 blown application thats in the Super Snake Stang with 600 hp or the unwarranted version thats 725 !
Naaaaaaaa,my money would still be spent on German engineering thanks at that cost!
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February 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Walking stick?hehehe
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February 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Just joking Wheelnut…..I don’t think even you could see us buying one of those. Money better spent somewhere else I think.
Like towards a RT CHARGER babe!!!!!!!!
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February 29th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Supercar = just a term being thrown around these days, Honda says the NSX is their supercar but really its just their top of the line performer.
Whats the 0-100 claims on this thing. 400m sprint?
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Frugal One, what’s your problem with Ford?
Impressive, but wasn’t this supposed to have more KWs than that?
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Lol, the front looks like an ugly Audi rip-off, or a NSP underground bodykit. this is prolly just a show special anyways. Nice engine, horrible car.
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
*edit* make that NFS, what was i thinking
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Bavarian, could you contradict yourself any more? On one hand your saying you want some “german engineering” at that cost, next thing you would prefer to spend your money on a yankie muscle car? hmmm… ok then
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Oz, your thinking of the supercharged V8 that would have between 410 and 450kw’s, this is a naturally aspirated V8, so yes 370kw’s its pretty freekin impressive!
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Yeah, you right Richo. It’s just when I saw the Wheels magazine, it said 400kw.
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Richo first I was saying at that cost I would prefer German thanks.The Charger is Aus Muscle car…….sorry! I was simply stating what I could do with $125,000 on a car and that ain’t it.
370kws isn’t that impressive,sorry! Not out of 7 litres!
I think they could get more grunt out of a carburettor engine application like a 350 for less money than that! Have we really come that far ,you have to ask yourself sometimes,ha!
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February 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
man cant wait to see what fords got wating for the holden it will be good, maybe the 320kw fpv wit a supercharger on it dam that will be sweet.
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Bavarian, how much do you know about engines? You are right, you could probably get more out of a 351 chev with a carby, but i bet your ass you wouldn’t be able to get anything approaching “refinement” out of that engine! It would rock and roll like a 20 year old hoover at idle and would vibrate like a.. well you know, at high revs. It wouldn’t be acceptable by modern standards, obviously HSV and GM had to make an engine that DOES conform with modern standards. Also i bet the carby 351 would use a HELL of alot more fuel then the 7.0litre motor in the HSV!! These things have to be taken into consideration Bav..
Also how about that 640nm of torque? Again that is an impressive figure for a naturally aspirated petrol engine.. please remember that this car has 8kw and 10nm MORE then the 6.2ltr DOHC AMG built V8 that goes in $200,000+ Merceedes Benz’s.. surely you must concede that this is an impressive engine…
I mean shit you will always get more out of an aftermarket engine but for goodness sakes lets compare apples with apples here, this is a PRODUCTION engine! That means not only does it have to conform with modern fuel economy and refinement levels, but it also has to meet strict emmissions targets! Again get that 351 carby engine to meet emissions standards!!!
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February 29th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Am i missing something, 351?? CHEV???
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February 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Um I think I know more than you honey.
351 are Ford engines……..Clevelands and Winsors
Chevs have 350s! hahaha,sorry don’t you hate being told by a female too!
Refinement…….naaa depends on what the engine consists of.Roller cams are a lot smoother than solid lifter cams. Good set of engine mounts take away alot of the
vibration anyway not to mention that I would think this would hardly be that smooth.You ever driven the 5.4 Boss,its got a real lumpy idle!
Fuel economy yeah probably……..but I bet it cost a lot more to build this all alloy 7 litre job than a Iron block and headed 350 with the same grunt…….
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February 29th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
lol 125k bt over the top and i hate that front end otherwise good job
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February 29th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
You’re right Babe.. even though it looks really aggressive etc.. at $120K it’s half way towards an E38 R/T Charger or even 3/4 of the way towards Another M3..
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February 29th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Richo Says:
February 29th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
Also how about that 640nm of torque? Again that is an impressive figure for a naturally aspirated petrol engine.. please remember that this car has 8kw and 10nm MORE then the 6.2ltr DOHC AMG built V8 that goes in $200,000+ Merceedes Benz’s.. surely you must concede that this is an impressive engine…
Actualy AMG have a new 6.3ltr same torque at 630nm but power up to 387kw.
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February 29th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Bav - i’m used to being told i’m wrong by a women, i’m married! Thats not my argument though, my argument is that there is no way that you could make a PRODUCTION 350ci V8 run on carbs that would have the refinement of a modern engine, the fuel economy of a modern engine or, and most imporantly, the ability to meet the latest emission standards as per a modern engine. In that sense, i am right! Man i love saying that to a women.. jokes!
as for 350 or 351, seriously are you going to argue with me over 1 cubic inch? in actual fact i think you’ll find the chev motor was probably closer to 351 then 350 anyway, its the same as how holden said their 5.0ltr was a 5.0ltr when it actual fact it had been a 4.9ltr since the mid 80’s when they changed it from a 308 to a 304 in order to make it comply with the under 5.0ltr group a touring car regulations and therefore allow their group a touring cars to run with less weight
and anyway, as i’m sure you are aware, with naturally aspirated engines you eventually get to a point where you can only get so much more power without increasing revs, now although the pushrod layout of the LS7 allows it to rev harder then a 7.0ltr motor has any right too, at the end of the day all that reticulating mass means it can only rev so far. The advantage of a big bore motor is not the ultimate power it can acheive, its the amount of torque it can get. Thats the reason AMG decided to go down the big bore route with its current 6.2ltr V8, they wanted more lazy torque for the autobarns
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February 29th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
but people Holden are the ones calling it a super car… so really thinking along super… you do think. Porsche 911Turbo…. GT40… Zonda,,,, or in the Same prie range of $120 - $140k… Godzilla….
so lets look at its this way…. but about $125,000 or so… both self proclaimed SUPER CARS….
i think the R35 GTR Vs W427…. i think it would be a one side race….. lol
so holden dont call it a supercar if you dont want to fight with the world elite as of 911 tubro, lambo, GTR….
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
hahaha……married are we……..I know what that feels like twice ,looking at going for the third time .I guess Wheelnut and I will be the first husband and wife team next year on CA,hey babe!
Yeah ok Ill concede to fuel economy and emissions,but agree with me the old carby 350s sound good……more reliable too I guess. You can tell the difference in noise between a Chev and a Cleveland say ,something that’s hard to recognise in the new stuff.
Oh god Im not arguing over 1 cube its the fact they were 350 in Chevs and 351s in Fords thats all.
Hey like most things that are enjoyable Richo…..its all about the stroke ……..hahahaha
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Back in 71 the XY-GT was considered to be a Super car and it cost less than $6;000…
My point is that just because it doesn’t cost as much as a Aston Marin Porsche or a Lambo doesn’t mean that the W427 is no less of a supercar when you consider -
the price bracket that it will be in [if it makes it into production] as well as the perfromance it gets from what is rather outdated technology compared to its more modern [European] coutner-parts..
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Yeah but if you stroke it to much it cam get a bit lumpy..
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
have found some stats about this thing….
Price: $140,000 to $170,000 (estimated)
Production start: June/July 2008, built to order
On sale: September/October 2008
Engine: 7.0-litre V8 with dry-sump lubrication
Power: 370kW at 6500rpm
Torque: 640Nm at 5000rpm
Transmission: Six-speed manual
Differential: limited-slip
0-100km/h: 4.7 seconds
Wheels: 20-inch machined face alloys
Tyres: Bridgestone, 245/35 (front), 275/30 (rear)
Brakes: Six-piston AP calipers
Exhaust system: Active two-mode rear muffler with four outlets
Suspension: Independent front and rear with Magnetic Ride Control (MRC)
needs to be faster to be called a Super car…
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
hahaha…..Wheelnut, I know you so well don’t I. 20 days to go babe so I guess you will see…….
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Beautiful; I was talking about the engines..[I guess I should have been a bit more specific]
The other way to get more power is to “Strap-On” a Supercharger or “Bolt-On” a turbo.. both of which you would do using only “Snap-On” tools
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Better cars for that sort of money. I would rather buy something for that cost than a bommodore.
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February 29th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
I’d say that the W probably stands for Walkinshaw as the V8 Supercar Spec Engine is hand-built by Walkinshaw Performance..
I think they should have called it the HRT-427 like they were going to with the Limited Edition/Built To Order Monaro Coupe.
The only thin missing is the VE HRT Rear Decklid.. which is most likely reserved for the GTS-R
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
hahaha….sure you were…..I know how your mind works,just like mine!
Stop teasing……grrrrr
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Personally unless you consider the Corvette Z06 a supercar (which i dont, hardcore as it is) then this thing can hardly be classed a super car, but i guess you cant blame HSV for building it up can you?
Still ive looked at it from many angles and cant take to the look of it, its just plain hideous
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February 29th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Me thought of that Wheelnut…….hence walking stick!I know you like them……
Jeez R32……..we finally agree with something. Fancy that only taken 10 months.
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Wheelnut, I thought maybe the “W” stood for Walkinshaw too, that’s all.
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February 29th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Thats all OZ……..what about weely slow……….hahaha
I thought Wheelnut had gone but not yet! Get some sleep gorgeous ,talk soon!
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
reckless, I have a grudge do i?
Anyways what i was saying is HSV are devoid of any engine development, every single V8 engine in a HSV since VT2 has been a crate engine. Imported and just stuck into the car. The VT2 GTS was a Callaway tuned engine. The LS1 & LS2 are taken straight out of Corvettes same with the LS7. Now look at Tickford & FPV every engine V8 & six has been developed by them. With the 200 & 220kw 5litre V8s then the fantastic handbuilt 250 kw 5.6 litre strokers. The Boss 290 was wholly developed in Oz as well as the Turbo 6 in Typhoon. I prefer something that is engineered and developed, not just bolt the biggest engine in the GM catalogue.
And I’m not saying that the Tickford & FPV engines are australian made (apart from the 6) the Tickfords were Windsors and the Boss engines were developed from Canadian built V8s using Cobra R heads and locally made & developed Internals. But my point is at least the engine guys at Tickford/FPV developed their own engines, unique no other cars in the world have the same engines.
And yes the W does stand for Walkinshaw. I’m assuming either Uncle Tom told them to do this or its meant to be a tribute to the original HSV VL Group A also known as the “Walkinshaw” To be honest I respect these original HSVs more than these modern commodore with vette engines bolted in. At least the VL & VN Group A’s were wholly developed here (apart from the UK windtunnel tested VL bodykit)
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February 29th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
The car is great. But the rest of u on this site are all messed up. 351, IS a FORD engine. The 427 in this car, The LS7, is a SMALL Block v8, not a Big Block. And for a car that does not have Forced aspiration, The LS7 makes good power. Remember, the LS7 is a pushrod design. Not OHV or multi cammed. Apart from the fuel injection and all alloy construction, this motor has roots embedded in the 1950’s. FPV or Ford, can’t do anything right in Australia. A 5.4lt Boss engine that wont rev over 5500!!! Why have a quad cam and Multi valved engine when it becomes asthmatic north of 5000 rpm? I say to all ford fans, Stick with the turbo cars. The V8 game has moved on, and its called the W427
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February 29th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Glen ,the people who hanker after one of these don’t won’t give a monkey’s whether HSV gets their engines from a crate or not. That’s how HSV does things.
If I was in the market, I wouldn’t care less. An engine’s an engine.
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February 29th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Agree golf, its like a trophy for a cashed up bogan, chopsta’s stats dont impress me at all, given that for the 140-170 range in price theres much more quality cars out there, but there will be buyers.
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February 29th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
I have a supercharged ve gts making 450rwkw, with a total cost of $105,000. I think this W427 is over priced and doesnt look as aggressive as the gts. Big hype over nothing I reckon. My fpv Cobra is getting worked on with a twin turbo kit, so I cant wait to drive and compare it with the gts. Make your guess fellas! HSV or FPV ?????????
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March 1st, 2008 at 12:34 am
2 Rich - us adults are having a conversation mate, no time for kids playing “what i’d do if i was rich”
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March 1st, 2008 at 12:38 am
Glen, although i get what your saying, at the end of the day, who really gives a shit? When your drivng along your fravorite road and you push down hard on the loud pedal do you honestly sit there thinking “wow i am so proud of the fact that my engine was made by a bloke in melbourne who peiced it together from a bunch of american parts” because mate thats all the DOHC boss engine is! Its a truck engine block with some spiffy heads and they are both from the Ford production parts bin, all ford australia did was pick out the bits they wanted, bolt them together and do a little bit of tuning. Nothing particularly special mate! It’s not like we are talkin about a ferrari engine or anything here, its just a parts bin special engine that frankly isn’t all that special!
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March 1st, 2008 at 9:42 am
At least some f***ing effort went into the engine from the FPV, unlike HSV. I’m not saying the LS7 is a bad engine, far from it, the more cubes the better but i just appreciate what Tickford & FPV do & have done, they actually develop they’re own engines. And yes I know the block and heads are imported from north america but most of the internals are designed, developed & made here. And for me that makes the better car for me. Thats my opinion, Im allowed to have one.
Thats a big reason why I liked the earlier Ozzy muscle cars, everything was developed here, you could not get the same spec engine in the states as what you could get here, personally I think thats something to be proud of.
I know a lot of people couldnt give a rats how much work went into the car as long as the thing is fast (usually holden supporters) but hey lets see how the OZ developed Orion F6 goes against the “plonk in the vette engine” HSV when it comes out.
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March 1st, 2008 at 9:48 am
And I’m willing to bet if Ford used Jag or Aston engines in the Falcon without changing them the Holden fans would be saying “They can only go that fast cos they bolted in a jag/aston engine” And to be honest if thats all they did I wouldnt be happy.
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March 1st, 2008 at 9:59 am
i feel they would have been better refining the current motor a bit and then fitting the optional supercharger kit that they offer on them once they get off the boat in the middle east.
I’d really love ford to do something similar for a public release.
the only thing like this that they have done would be the last DJR320 that Dick johnson made and apparently it is quicker than a V8 super car around QLD raceway.
and uncle dick didnt need to strap another litre of milk to the side to make it go better
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:00 am
richo,
mate if 370kw from 7 Litres is impressive then you would be amazed at the KW per cube ford get from their 5.4L donk
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:25 am
My five cents worth. I like to read these columns to see what people think, but on this one i want to add:
Glen, yes this engine is a crate engine from Corvette, not developed and engineered here, but it IS an engineered and developed performance engine - like it or not. Who cares that Holden/HSV had the foresight to look at parts already available in the GM world to save costs. Sort of reminds me of how ford will discontinue the straight 6 motor in 2010 to pick up the duratec V6 from the US as the cost of engineering is prohibitive when you consider the $$$ return from doing so, given the small amount of vehicles they sell with it - Its called economies of scale. Spreading the cost across the largest number to reduce the price.
I guess its the same reason the BMW and Mercedes (Arch rivals like Ford and Holden) are looking at teeming up to share technology (basic engines, flooplans, safety tech) to spread the cost and make them more competitive against the likes of toyota.
Also, its interesting to read how people here bag the GM engines for their pushrod designs, but they fail to acknowledge that despite having DOHC mills, Ford is likely to replace their engines with pushrod based designs within the next 5 years to reduce costs, increase torque and simplicity, as well as being able to use smaller (physical dimensions) engines that fit more easily into engine bays than the BOSS motors do now.
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:30 am
I think the FG Falcon range looks a lot nicer than anything Holden/HSV have released. I’m not just looking at all the plastic artwork to make something boring look exciting. but at the design of the whole car. The shape of the FG (without the plastic) is much nicer than any VE (without the plastic).
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am
spvd02 -
All good and well but it looks like the old Falcon.Will the remaining large-car punters be interested in it AND-BUY-IT?
I think Ford are going to really struggle with it.
Best bet for them is sell it cheap, kick it of @$25k right from the start, better than doing it in 6 months when the sale target is not met.
Cheers
F-0
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March 1st, 2008 at 10:49 am
MITCH -
W stands for….WALKINSHAW!Its 20th year ode!
I would like this engine in a Elfin……yeah!
Cheers
F-0
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March 1st, 2008 at 11:09 am
Frugal One, It’s because you don’t like Ford and want them to shut down. If fords going, so is your beloved Holdens.
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March 1st, 2008 at 11:17 am
F-O
Agree with you there, for a majority of buyers they want to be impressed, meaning looking different not just yeah we tweaked this a bit, improved this a bit etc.
When I showed the guys/girls at work the FG front to see their reaction, they werent impressed at all, some of them thought I was showing them the mondeo.
Hehe yeah drop it in a kit car would be madness, I remember top gear, Jeremy took the Civic TypeR powered atom, that was nuts already.
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March 1st, 2008 at 11:32 am
FPV-F6..only reason the Boss is limited to 5500 is cause FPV are too scummy to put better rods and Pistons in it!
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March 1st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Heres a quote I found on www.autoblog.com about the W427:
That’s a sweet looking HSV for sure! To bad I don’t live in Europe or else that car would be mine.
Shows that the Yanks know what they like in relation to performance cars but still hgave no idea when it comes to Geography
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March 1st, 2008 at 12:41 pm
hahaha.really,typical……So does Miss Teen America work for Auto Blog.
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
It’s obvious now that Holden will to do what ever it takes to out power and out style Ford with the supercharged 620hp LS9, 500hp LS7, and forth coming Coupe 60(whish will most likely go into production). I wish Ford had an answer to them but at the moment it looks like Holden will continue to out sell the Falcon platform 3 to 1. Holden give Ford some of your designers lol
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pm
F-O
i will buy it (FG falcon) because i still think the BF11 is a great car that still holds its own.
now its just gotten better……..
Jobber,
do you work at a kindergarden?
because thats the only sort of people that would say “its a car” and looks like every other car
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Jason,
no it should be Holden give ford some of your “marketers”
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
ahhh Matthew I remember you.
You recall this on the new Cobra….
# Matthew Says:
August 28th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Wow! Another tarted up Ford/Holden with go faster stripes. What a revelation! No doubt queues will form quickly of people with false self esteem, big egos and lots of money to snap up these.
Hopefully it will have fog lights so the dim witted drivers can blind oncoming traffic with gay abandon; just becuase they think it looks “cool” (or are too stupid to figure out how to turn the lights off).
Will be exciting to see these things drag off HSV’s to see who can get to service station faster to fill up with petrol . . . again . . . .
hahahaha,sounds like you.
Actually Matthew I haven’t been on much the last few weeks.If your noticing me being here so much then your the one that needs a life.
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Bavarian Missile, there were 2 Matthews! Remember this? “XXXX, are you Bavarian Missiles husband?”
Matthew, I’ve seen you comments, you have problems.
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March 1st, 2008 at 1:51 pm
ahhh,yes now I remember.xxxx was here the other day too.
We did have fun with Matthew didn’t we.
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March 1st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
So.. Matthew you post 3 comments a year and you have wasted two of them up on this blog telling BM that you think she needs to get a life.. if you reply to this one; you would have used them all up.
One more left be very careful how you use it.. as there is going to be alot more happening in the Auto industry this year
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March 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
HAHAH, they need a whole 7 litres to extract 370kw… damn americans are good at building engines, just as good as i am at blind brain surgery. and u do realise that the FPVs from Ford will have at least 320 kw, and a 50kw increase for double (almost) the money?? no thanks, i’d rather have a lighter 5.2L and if some of you guys, im lookin at you Holden, need to compensate, then add a supacharger… or paint it red if your still 12
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March 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Definition of a supercar:
“It must be very fast, with sporting handling to match”
Very fast, yes. Sporting handling, probably not so much.
“It should be sleek and eye-catching”
Eye-catching, yes. Sleek? My toaster looks more sleek.
“Its price should be one in a rarified atmosphere of its own”
$125,000 is only in a rarified atmosphere compared to other Holdens. In supercar territory, it’s spare change.
A fair way to go before this can be called a true supercar.
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March 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
problem i have is that it doesn’t look like a $125,000 car, it still looks like an HSV. LOOK TO EUROPE NOT AMERICA!!
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March 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm
CarAdvice should show us the 400kw+ GTS-R (like shown on the March MOTOR Mag)
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March 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pm
The ZR1 Chevrolet Corvette supercar! this was the engine in the gts-r motor mag a amazing 463kw (620hp) and 807nm of torque.
It would of toke hsv atleast 12 months to devolp this engine in the ve, anyway the zr1 will be out in 2009. With a max speed of over 200mph and 0-100 between 3.2-3.6 seconds. This could be one day a ve because it is basically a modified version of the LS3 which will be in the hsv range in june.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....tte_C6_ZR1
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:43 am
Matthew grow some balls……..you clearly need some!!!!!To post at that time of the night……
I dont have an Alias……..I guess you don’t understand that unlike you on this site I have mates……….xxxx you thought was my hubby…..naaa wrong.
Where have I said Fords are the greatest car on earth…..if you really knew me you would know my passion is BMW……and my next dream car is Aston……your a real muppet.F…off
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 am
Oh and what am I doing up this late……..just got off the phone to Wheelnut!
Clearly you don\’t have friends on this site as I do…….
Im guessing he will come back to kick your arse again….ain\’t love grand!
Night P…… xoxoxoxoxo
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March 2nd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Thats grande!
You two will go off “S*x Bomb” by Tom Jones! Maybe little new Fords are around corner. Make sure it is euro inspired designs as Ford lost plot as USA had way too much control over rest of world and cars when stagnant. Its changing but! FINALLY SOME ACTION!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 am
MATHEW….mate settle down as MISSILE is cool. She is what she is and wouldn’t it be crappy boring if we were all the same as you!
Thats why this Website is unique as it includes, but not limited to, as follows:
1. chats within reason are allowed
2. website owners participate in chats which is simple and brilliant and it is often too!
3. when you remove some of the emotion out of it it actually is unreal
4. the owners know we all have car emotions and ties towards a car maker or a car and it can get heated
5. there are brilliant reviews, pics and stories and not gibberish like on other sites
6. comments like “get a life to a women is not on” and as I treat women equal so please show some consideration and ticker mate as it is 2008 and not 1961 when your parents might have lived like that
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March 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Mate….I know she has certain traits (like everyone), but how are you different when your on here. Thus it could be said “Really mate get a life” as you should be doing like scuba diving or hang gliding. Just leave her be!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Matthew - you may think that Bavarian Missile needs to get alife as according to you she spends way too much time on here
Yet has it ever occurred to you that the fact a number of us [myself included] regularly frequent this website is because we are car enthusiasts and find that this website provides us with a means of discussing automotive related topics with others who have similar interests
And since when have you been the one who decides how the rest of us should spend our spare time?
Last time I checked the year wasn’t 1939-1945 and we were not living Germany..
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March 2nd, 2008 at 10:43 am
hahaha.Matthew if you went on the CA Forum and looked me up you would see firstly what I do cause my website is there and second my car along with history of others.
Seems your the one with the problems here not me.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Great comeback by NUTTER and MISSILE….seems some other think too much about there own world and they need the life!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Matthew - I realise that you have well exceeded your Annual Quota of 3 comments per year
However I’m interested as to why you think that Beccause BM is a High Income Earner with an Awesome [ and rather unique] M3 that she wouldn’t “be dribbling the utter rubbish that she does here…. as she would not have the time!”
I mean there are a number of High income earners who waste their time doing other “pointless” activities such as
watching midgets on horses go round and round in circles..
ride horses whilst whacking a little ball with a mallet..
walk around a park hitting a little ball into a hole..
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:08 am
hahaha.Wheelnut,yeah not me. Although I do ride….
Hey NM…..thanks for support babe,I just don’t think hes found the little red x in the top right corner ,if you don’t like what I have to say Matthew feel free to click on the X.You won’t be missed.No idea what you think your going to achieve by running me down,feel better about yourself now do you!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:12 am
Mathew….SHE IS A FEMALE, HAVE YOU “ANY” EXPERIENCE WITH ONE???? ARE YOU OK WITH THAT AS EVERYONE ELSE IS AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD GET THE THEORY OUT OF YOUR HEAD AND GO DO SOMETHING OF MERIT INSTEAD OF CARRYING A ???? FOR NO REASON. GO FISH FOR A GREAT WHITE IF YOU WANT A THRILL…I KNOW WHERE THEY HANG OUT WHEN I GO SCUBA DIVING AND CAN POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND HOW FAR, BETTER STILL COME DIVING IN A CAVE OR HMAS BRISBANE IN MOOLOOLABA AS AWESOME MATE!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:15 am
“Oh and what am I doing up this late……..just got off the phone to Wheelnut!
Clearly you don\’t have friends on this site as I do…….
Im guessing he will come back to kick your arse again….ain\’t love grand!”
You are unbeleivable, your talking to another man other than your husband at 2.30 am in the morning and then you come back to computer to post a message?????????????thats extreem!. You really have no life!. On top of that, you must be having an affair with this guy behind your husbands back to be so obsessed you would be talking with eachother at that time of the morning. The fact you checked the site at 2.53am shows your really have nothing to do. What a looser.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Its not a supercar its more in the class of BMW M5 a high power 4 door sedan.Just looks sporty where’s M5 looks elegant and more of a executive express
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:20 am
MATTHEW…Enough of that as getting too personal from you. You dont know her walk and or circumstances and one more repeat and will report you! You made your point! Let it lie!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Yep Phil I agree with the M5 thought ,not to mention a M5 is not 125,000 Euros in Germany.
Makes the M5 and all its extras and engineering pedigree look cheap.
Matthew …….you finished! Talk about cars and stop thinking you know whats going on in my life,cause you haven’t a clue.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
BM, I think you need to request that Matthew idiot to be banned!!!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Matthew I would heed your own advice and start talking cars….your the one that got off topic not me! Who are you to say what I can and cant do on this site?
Seems your suffering some sort of inferiority complex.
And if you get personal again I will request you get kicked off.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
BM, have you gone to “contact us” at the top if the page and wrote matthew needs to be banned?
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March 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
I don’t have to I have Alborzs and the other guys personal email address.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
It will send a tear to his eye!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 pm
*opens door*…………
woooooooooooooo
*walks back out and closes door*
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March 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
hahaha…..you not entering Andrew?
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
427 is to overpriced. But some suckers out there will buy it and find out later on it was a very bad investment. Buy a GTHO cause the name will be around for a longer time than a 427.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Will be interesting to see if there’s 200 people out there that will spend the money….
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Well HSB had 200 Confirmed orderd for the 427Monaro which was to be limited to 500.. before it was deemed to expensive to build given it was virtually a 2 Door HRT car
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
See Matthew; we can still talk about cars…. surprised?
Now Sod Off
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March 2nd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Theres probably allready 20 company executives and CEOs out there that have a deal with GM to buy these cars. Same as the XYGTHO it wasnt bought by a hoon driver but somebody whos gonna lock this car up in there closet and drive it in there backyards on nice suny days.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Alot of money for a commodore on steriods.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Good try Holden, wait until we get new power figures from Ford and then just feep crying after all these years you can’t topple king of POWER your KWs and NMs is like miss print which goes normally with Holden advertising, blind leading blind Daewoo rebadging, when the majority of population finds this stupendous act out, GM will suffer and dent any respect true blue aussies had for the brand….
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March 2nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I met Miss Print once. Lovely girl, but a few coupons short of a holiday.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
hahaha..well done Golfschwein……….very clever.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Aww, thanks Bavarian Missile.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Me too but I thought she was a bitch, very unpredictable, had too many screws loose, not worth fixing…
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March 2nd, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Goodness!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
G’day peoples, this is my first comment on this site, but i would just like to say the new falcon is a great looking car which i read has all the credentials to more than destroy its competitor, the VE( ugly box) commonwhore!!
not only does it look the goods, but significant improvements in all areas is great to see from my favourite car maker… well done ford on a great new product, i will be purchasing a brand spanking new turbo ute in september…. cant wait!( especially the launch assist, and transient overboost…woooohoooooo!!)
and also, well done Bavarian Missile on defending yourself…. only two words to describe that Matthew bloke…. F..K H..D!!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 6:44 pm
stevo,
yes the new falcon range has some awesome credentials that on paper would bury the commodore
BUT………….
it wont out sell the commodore unless the ford marketing crew pull their fingers out.
maybe ford fans could dream of a day where the falcon enjoys the high sales it surely deserves
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March 2nd, 2008 at 6:45 pm
yep great track car but that is about it. Having had an oppitunity to drive a 300kw hsv it has plenty of “caravan pulling power” it was dry and fun to where we had to go and wet slimey and not much fun on the way back so unless hsv have added 4wd to the system this car it should be fun on a wet road, 380kw or 1/2 a veyron in a taxi body!
Power to money value is good, goto calsales and see what you get for $150000 (the latest estimate on pricing)
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March 2nd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Bavarian Missile, I know why Matthew is p!ssed with you is because you were first to reply to his stupid biased anti-Ford crap and you finished him!
I remember seeing the argument as a browser and I would never of thought I’d be involved in it. But I was today!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Remeber the motor mag of the hsv gts-r with that amzing engine from gm? well the fastest ever production car from chevrolet the zr1 covette supercar, with 463kw and 807nm of torque and 0-100 in the low 3 second mark, this car is quicker than the ferrari 599 porsche 911 gt2, ford gt and the lambo LP640 with a top speed of atleast 200mph (322km/h). the main reason why hsv did not produce this because it would of toke atleast 12 months to devolp. anyway this new chevy is going into production in 2009. this LS9 engine is a modefied version of the LS3 which will be in hsv’s by june with 325kw and 580nm of torque. hsv also have the LSA which has 410kw and 750nm of torque it is similar to the ls9. HSV have the balls to produce this in the future as seen with the 427 and the 300kw hsv gts in 2001. The question is does fpv have the balls to produce similar figures because gtho is just speculation.
Go W427!
http://jalopnik.com/cars/detro.....334923.php
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March 2nd, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Yes Matthew, you will be kicked off if you can’t talk cars.
At least BM can talk, you can’t.
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March 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Hell I would hate to be your wife………how dare you assume
Im still together with my husband and give me a tongue lashing on what I can do at 1.00 am.
For your info most of my mates on the site have already been informed that Wheelnut and I are an item via email. So keep your assumptions to yourself…….when are you going to talk about cars and stop bringing up my personal life!
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March 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Just what I said OZ…….
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March 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Anyone hear Boyd Coddington died last week….63. Very sad.
What an innovator to the Rod scene he was.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 am
Matthew, how old are you?
I ask because the sh*t you talk reminds me of a little schoolkid who just got beat up for being a f*ckwit and is now sulking and making stupid personal comments cos that’s all they have left to say.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 am
From one of Matt-whos Previous Posts [From last year]-
He said that he has been a Holden fan for the past 78 years…even though Holden has only been building cars for just on 60 years.
So I don’t think even he knows how old he is.. which doesn’t surprise me really as he doesn’t know that much about Holden
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March 3rd, 2008 at 6:01 am
MATTHEW….mate you never stop with your abuse when uncalled for. Iam a blackbelt at zen do kai and if you want to discuss anything let me know as mate….give yourself a few hard Reg Reagan uppercuts as I would waste my time! Just leave personal out of it!
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March 3rd, 2008 at 7:54 am
Hey BM, I saw a photo of the new GT’s instrument cluster and redline was at 6500rpm. Wasn’t the fuel cut-off/redline on the BF at 5900/6000rpm????
Also, the pod gauges for F6/GT are relocated to just below the speedo and tacho.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 8:05 am
quick question - i just caught up briefly on the whole BM vs Matthew saga - has matthew even made a decent comment about the W427???
Matthew, if you are so appalled by the so called “forum style discussion” don’t reply!
You sound like the boy who was teased at school and now you want to get some revenge - grow up
Anyway….The W427 seems like a weapon of a car, i would like to see just how well they do. It pains me to say that because i sell the competition! Hopefully we have something in the works
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March 3rd, 2008 at 8:08 am
NM…….woohoo. Hes a keyboard hero, jeez babe you sound like a lean mean killing machine.Best not get on the wrong side of you.Mate,friend buddy chum..
Matthew,why is it comedy at its best,that we have mates ? I guess thats hard for you to comprehend what mates do for one another.
Hey Watto more like 5500…….good news ha!Looks like you won’t end up through the windscreen quiet so early! Seems Ford are listening.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 8:18 am
Pat E..”Hopefully we have something in the works”.MMMMM would that be in the form of a V10 for the HO ??
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March 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Ford don’t have a hope of competing with this car or the LS9 going into future VE platforms. It would not matter if the there 5.4 did have more Kw’s, it simply does not have the torgue of the LS2/3/9 or L98, maybe on paper but not in the real world. There is no torque in them down low, there weak point. This is varified by all the Australian magazines. No current Ford 5.4 V8 in the BA/BF has out gunned the LS2 or L98 for perfomance and pulling power. It will not be any different when they put that heap into the old/new FG chassis.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am
Hey Mick the 5.4 blown version would though.
But I think it will be more cubes for Fords comeback at this.As Rod has said he won’t bring a HO out unless its in the same league the Phase 3 was,so Im thinking FPV have something up their sleeve,HO will be more money though I think.300 only and how many punters wanting them will drive the price up like the Cobras recent sales.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Commodore W427: 7 litres / 370kw / 640Nm. Audi Q7 4.2DTT / 4.2 litres / 240kw / 760Nm. The Commodore W427 is yesterdays technology. just like the V8’s killed off a lot of what Europe had to offer in the 60’s now the turbo diesels of Europe are going to kill off a lot of what American V8’s offer. Oh yeh, I noticed that the new Q7 is 6 litres / 368kw and 1000Nm. There are going to be those who say, well how much do these cars cost? All I can say is the new Chrysler C is offering a top shelf turbo diesel from Mercedes for under $70,000 which goes like a rocket and uses as much fuel as a Holden 6.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
$125000 for the same quality as what you get in an executive, I don`t think so. Just because you add more power and leather doesn`t mean your getting a quality car like I always say if you start with crap doesn`t matter what you do to it, its still crap. Its an expensive taxi, wonder if the can fit it with gas.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
“Jobber,
do you work at a kindergarden?
because thats the only sort of people that would say “its a car” and looks like every other car”
Mate did I say everyone thinks it looks like every car? no I said a few thought was a Mondeo and overall were not impressed.
No I actually work for the bank, these people probably represent mundane everyday people than us car lovers, and dont appreciate the extra steps Ford has taken with their car. The fact that slightly different than the outgoing BF shows that first impressions didnt stack up too well, likewise when I went to the motor show on Sunday, It seems people floated around the holden stand more than Ford. With me overhearing a number of people going looks the same… etc.
No doubt Im impressed with the interior build of the car and if Mechanically it lives up to what they say and I had the no discount through my mate at Toyota I wouldve opted for the the new falcon in leather trim for sure!
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March 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Unbeleivable how many Ford fans are in this commets section and how jealous they are of the VE. It’s funny how they are unable to admit its an awesome car.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
You always pick on girls or you just a chicken….Reg Reagan (yobbo Mathew Johns) hasnt given you uppercuts as you might come better with em after a heap. Wanna pick on someone else, insist I blindfold myself with you! Done that heaps in sparring full on!
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March 3rd, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Failure as a wife..yeah right…..I guess your wife doesn’t have a problem being bulled and hit by you…..
As a person….for once in my life Im looking for my own happiness…not trying to make every one else happy….hope your proud of yourself…..thanks for reminding me…
Takes a lot foe me to get upset…but congrats you succeeded…….
Im out of here.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 10:07 pm
Matthew - Buck up or F*CK OFF.
No one but yourself is interested in what you have to say about folk’s personal lives.
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March 3rd, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Me a waste of time you have clearly come on to this site just
to upset me and nothing else.
There is around 3 lines of car talk from you in the last 4 days.
Your