2008 Ford Mondeo TDCi review
March 4, 2008 by Matt Brogan
2008 Ford Mondeo TDCi Review
“TDCi looks the goods, is cheap to run and offers plenty”
Model tested:
- 2008 Ford Mondeo TDCi Automatic Sedan – $37,990
- Metallic $350, Sunroof $1900, Leather $2000, Bluetooth $450
Drives well, Looks fantastic, Rides quietly, Safe & well appointed
Auto easily confused, Small boot opening, Climate Control weak
CarAdvice rating: 
- by Matt Brogan
Last month I was lucky enough to review the brilliant Mondeo XR5 Turbo which you might recall I was quite fond of. But in fairness, most Mum and Dad buyers are looking for something a little more affordable when it comes to a family car.
Not that the XR5 isn’t exceptional value for money, far from it, but with petrol prices what they are these days, and the family budget stretched tighter than a drum, we all like to squeeze a little more mileage from our measly pay cheques. The answer: Mondeo TDCi.
Looks wise, it’s a pretty classy sedan and rather sleek for a family diesel. I mean look at it, you could easily mistaken it for a car twice the price, I can even see a hint of Aston Martin in those headlights. But really when all is said and done, it’s neat, well built and hardly boring, just the opposite of what an average family car usually is.
Step inside and it’s hardly Mum, Dad, and two point five kids either. In fact it’s more like a luxury European, but far easier to live with. For these reasons alone the Mondeo TDCi should almost be adopted in to the fold without a second thought, but it’s hardly worth owning if it’s going to eat up your budget now is it?
This is where things get better again. See, TDCi stands for Turbo Diesel Common-Rail Injection and although that sounds like fancy gibberish, what it translates to is a gutsy little four cylinder that won’t eat you out of house and home – that’s what teenage kids are for.
It works by using what Ford refer to as Duratorq Technology which basically consists of a variable geometry turbo charger, precision multi-point fuel injection, and double overhead cams to keep everything spinning along nicely. The idea is that with the exception of initial turbo lag (which, mind you, is very brief), the power is always waiting in the wings. Think of it as a friendly butler, just waiting to step out and serve.
Good news for the more frugal among us is that it also translates to better fuel economy. The ADR tests claim a combined average fuel economy of 7.3 litres / 100km which is (for once) easily achievable.
Tags: Ford Mondeo, Ford Mondeo TDCi
Drove one the other wek. very very nice car. Good build, drives well and is in a good price range if you are a family looking for a new car
Only 3.5 stars??, I would have said 4 stars judging from your comments??
does it have auto down on all windows? i dont know why car companies only put it on the drives door but i find it a pain in the ar*e
the stats at the bottom of the article arent in a list? is this correct guys
Hi All,
Apologies for the formatting errors within this article. I’m experiencing some technical difficulties my end and should have these rectified ASAP.
Thanks for your patience.
Matt.
This Ford is simply better than a Aussie Ford Falcon
*END-OF-STORY*!
Cheers
F-0
SEE I AM NOT ANTI-FORD JUST ANTI-FALCON…A NOWHERE VEHICLE!
I’m with Alec – somewhat confused by the star/steering-wheel rating system. I understand it can be difficult summarising a car into five loosely defined brackets, and then have it mean something in comparison to other cars rated in a similar way. But, in this case, the comments seem to justify a higher rating? Was there more negatives to the car that may have missed the article that we should know about? Otherwise, a good article on a great car!
J & Alec,
Apologies again guys. It’s purely an error my end. The code was confused as I wrote it on an IBM then published it on a Mac. Things should be a little better now (I hope). I will polish it up a little later on.
Many thanks for your comments though, always appreciated.
Matt.
What are you trying to say – that PC & Mac weren’t designed with interoperability in mind? :-)
All good – will keep my eye out on this, as Mondeo is high on my list for next vehicle…
LOL, I don’t know what the situation is J. I think it may be the operator :)
But mate, the TDCi is a pretty sweet deal. Go have a drive yourself I’m sure it’ll impress. Personally I’d go the XR5 (loved it) but this is still a good car.
And the small boot opening issue can be resolved by getting the hatch, which looks about the same, has 1 cm less headroom at the back, and 7L less boot space with the seats up, or a massive 900 odd litres extra boot space with the seats folded down.
It’d be better though if it had the 2.2L diesel engine that the mondeo wagon that was shown at the melbourne car show had.
drop the sedan and just sell the hatch, that goes for the mazda 6 aswell
Frugal One, what’s your problem with the Falcon?
The Falcon will always be the king of Australian roads.
The Great Australian Road Car!!!
Good review Matt.
Does the engine have an iron block, if so were you conscious of the extra weight over the front wheels?
Is it just me or does 7.3l/100km not sounds all that impressive? At $37,000 there is much cheaper family car motoring to be had from petrol 4cyl’s that use only marginally more then that, including petrol mondeo’s! Kinda leaves me thinking what exactly is the point?
Price of Mondeo Lineup seems a bit pricey. Shame they don’t have a base model hatch probably steal sales from the sedan it they did.The Hatch is really the show stealer. Have looked at the range in the flesh.
For example, VW Jetta costs a whopping $5,000 less AND uses just 0.9l/100km more fuel, and erroding that difference is the fact that petrol is significantly cheaper then diesel. So again… what exactly is the point?
i was refering to the VW Jetta 2.0ltr petrol by the way
We drove this car for a short time in Europe and loved every minute of it – until we ended up with a flat at 190km/h.
lesson learnt?
mondeo heaps it over the lions dens’ competition…
apple mac heaps it over ibm! hahahaha
the problem is John, is it also heaps it over the falcon…
Is it just me or did the rating just jump .5??
i noticed that too.. peer pressure perhaps? lol
i thought 4 stars was about right, i really dont think this car is worthy of the same marks as the new mazda 6
richo how can you judge a car that hasnt been tested yet?
if it is…id rather have a ford better than a ford…to ensure proper engineering dna…plus the fact you have to realise that mondeo is a whole generational change from the previous model…the new falcon is an evolutionary one…
Richo, the Jetta is Focus-sized. To compare apples to apples, you need to compare the Mondeo to the Passat.
Hahah they put it up half a star…Fordadvice.com.au?
7.3l / 100km? that’s bad for diesel. VW, peugeot or even hyundai, there are all better
Richo,
The Jetta is a Golf with a boot in a completely smaller class it should be compared to the Focus as it is the same size, if comparing the Mondeo to a VW product compare it with the Passat.
John, this very website has already tested the new mazda 6 and awarded it 4.5 stars… keep up with the times mate! lol
and mate who gives a shit if its a generational change vs an evolutionary one, fact is the mondeo is at least as good and possibly better then the falcon regardless of how it came into being, and that is not good news for ford australia no matter how much spin you wanna put on it.
Phillip, i take your point, but i think my point is still fairly strong that this diesel version of the mondeo is very dear and really isn’t all thaaaat fuel efficient.
also it is claimed that 1000km’s a take is acheivable, yet with fuel economy of 7.3ltr/100km and a 70ltr fuel tank, even if you could use every last drop of that 70ltr’s, which you can’t, you would still only get around 950k’s… so in other words 1000k’s per tank is surely only acheivable on the highway in which case i think the reviewer should have pointed this out… it gives the car false representation otherwise.
No, it only went up half a steering wheel as the other three steering wheel rating feeders (how’s it look / go / drive) that amass the average were removed. I couldn’t get them to format correctly, hence removing them. I shall try again later this evening. Apologies all for any confusion.
G’day Richo,
Drive some considerable country k’s and you’ll pull a 1,000 pretty sweetly – I did (1,018 to be exact).
The easily achievable average I was referring to was the combined average. I don’t think you could manage that in a petrol. Take the XR5 for example, I couldn’t!
Hope this helps sort out some confusion. Matt.
Matt, thats what i’m saying though mate, all cars acheive good fuel economy on the highway, but in the context you wrote it up it read like you could acheive 1000k’s per tank during normal driving which simply isn’t the case.
it’s like saying i acheived 7.5l/100km in a V6 commodore but then not specifying that you did it on the highway, i just found it missleading thats all
your exact words where “a tank will see the 1,000 kilometre mark achieved with no sweat at all”
now to me that says you can expect 1000k’s per tank during normal driving conditions, not during extra urban driving conditions which for most australian’s is not something you do on a daily basis
I think that before criticising the 7.3ltr/100k’s we have to consider that this car is massive for a hatch, in fact almost full size, and the highway cycle i’m sure would be well in the 5’s per 100ks but for future reviews both city and highway consumptions would be very helpfull… how about it guys can you include both figures in future???
Sure Richo, $37,990 is a lot of money. But it’s considerably less than the $42,490 for a TDi Passat.
Why do I get the feeling that you are just determined not to like this car?
I was trying to impress that ADR figures (typically speaking) are made up in some fantasy land where roads are flat, there is no wind and cars seem only to carry one lone jockey and have no bearing on real world driving.
Usually, it’s very hard to come even close to these figures. For once, I did! In fact, this is one of the few cars that has come close.
Apologies if the way in which it was written mislead you, this was not intended. I guess text can be quite interpretive at times.
For people saying that 7.3L/100km isn’t that good compared to the Hyundai i30 or the jetta, remember the mondeo weighs 1.6 tonne, or 300 kg roughly more than the previously mentioned. That makes it 25% heavier, so you have to expect it uses more fuel. What you should be consiering more is that it is less fuel than the petrol 2.3L, despite being more drive-able with the extra torque.
As for the value for money factor, make sure you compare apples to apples. The toyota yaris is significantly cheaper than the commodore SS, does that make the SS poor value for money? A focus sized jetta can’t be compared to a passat sized mondeo.
Matt – fair enough, just wanted to make my point
Philip, it may be cheaper then a passat, but its also alot more considerably more expensive then a petrol version of the same car! That was my point dude, i have nothing against the mondeo, i think its an equal and possibly better then the new falcon which i have stated on a number of occasions, what i have a problem with is this diesel engine which is not at all remarkable and to me the price premium placed on it is comletely unjustifiable.
Why do i get the impression you are determined to defend this car at all costs? Fact is the mondeo is a fantastic car, but not as good as the mazda 6 and the diesel engine is a let down compared to rival diesel engines
thats my point
yep, I love a Ford_Holdenadvice.com.au!!!!
Tom can i compare it to the previous mazda 6 diesel that manages a remarkable 5.9l/100km, produced 9kw and 40nm more then the mondeo diesel and did all this for $2,000 cheaper! Mate you can’t escape the fact that this particular diesel engine is completely unimpressive
and Tom you can’t possibly try and argue that the mazda 6 is not a direct rival on size to the mondeo! lol
Fuel economy given the size of the car is quite remarkable.
Makes current Hybrid tech overcomplicated and unnecessary.
You guys want to see for yourselves how big and heavy the Mondeo is? Carl did. I also took the time to have a look a while ago on the Ford website. It’s a big car, substantially bigger in some key dimensions than the then-current BF Falcon.
So comparing it to Passat, Jetta, Mazda 6 and a slew of other “medium cars” is off the mark.
I know this is strictly a personal taste issue, but when I went to look at the Mondeo I was really put off by the dash. The silver painted plastic overwhelmed what otherwise would have been an ok design.
I liked the rest of it, but the dash is the bit you see everytime you drive…
I think it would be enough to point me toward a Mazda 6.
That and you can’t get a manual Mondeo unless its an XR5, and unfortunately that’s beyond the budget.
haha golfschwein the mondeo and the mazda 6 are direct rivals, built off similar (no not identical before anyone jumps down my throat) platforms. Yeah the mondeo has a huge boot, but so does the mazda 6 hatch
look the mondeo is a great car, but the diesel engine is not. If your after a diesel buy the mazda, if your buying a petrol then yeah the mondeo is probably better
Richo, the VW Jetta is a smaller car, and has no hatch option. The mondeo is really a large vehicle and the TDCi tips the scales at over 1600kgs. I drove an accord Euro and Mazda6 (2.3L) before the TDCi Mondeo and the in gear performance of the diesel has it all over the petrol fours. It’s not all about economy, it’s driveability as well. My experience is that the listed fuel consumption of the TDCi is very close to reality whereas my petrol falcon consistently used 2-3l/100km more than the listed consumption over the same weekly trips. It’s a pity the new Mazda6 has no diesel option for a while but I’m sure it’ll be worth the wait.
Ok Richo. Firstly you can’t compare the mazda 6 diesel to the mondeo diesel, as the new mazda 6 doesn’t have the diesel engine. Now if we look at the dimensions for the current mondeo and the old mazda 6, we get:
mazda 6 length: 4670mm
mondeo length: 4778 mm
difference: 10.8cm
mazda 6 height: 1435mm
mondeo height: 1500mm
difference: 6.5 cm
mazda 6 width: 1780 mm
mondeo width: 1890 mm
difference: 11cm
mazzda 6 weight: 1.48 tonne
mondeo weight: 1.6 tonne
difference: 120 kg
So as you can see, the mondeo is half a class larger than the old mazda 6. So yes, the old mazda 6 used less fuel because it lighter and smaller. The new mazda 6 is larger, but it is still smaller than the mondeo in every dimension. And doesn’t have a diesel engine. So you can’t compare the old mazda 6 to the new mondeo because the size is different, and you can’t compare the new mazda 6 because it doesn’t have a diesel engine yet.
Lastly you talk about the mazda 6 diesel being cheaper. And yes, for the sedan it was. However the old mazda 6 hatch diesel cost $38090 whereas the mondeo hatch diesel is a no cost option at $37990, which is $100 cheaper.And equipment wise, the mondeo beats it.
So basically, yeah, I can possibly argue the mazda 6 can’t be compared with the mondeo, because if we are comparing diesels, then we can only the mondeo to the old mazda 6. You like the mazda 6 more, good for you. But before you start tearing into the mondeo’s lack of fuel efficiency, make sure you actually are comparing apples with apples.
The thing is Richo that the Mazda 6 diesel now no longer exists, so the comparison is quite irrelevant. Plus, the 6 diesel was a manual-only so fuel economy would (almost) always be better and that 5.9l/100km is the “official” result, so in real world terms it would come closer to the bigger, safer and much better equiped Mondeo.
I’ll admit I haven’t driven a Mondeo. However, most reviews I’ve read have questioned the purpose of the petrol when the diesel is so good. Even at the price premium. I’m not determined to defend the Mondeo – personally, I think it (and the new 6) has grown too big.
richo are you blind?
i was referring to the falcon not the 6…read mate…its n front of you…
sheesh…some people think so highly of themselves and wish doom and gloom for ausse made material…what do you drive…korean? you probably love it because it has an uber aussie badge on it replicating an animal that is not native to this country…
confused? read the whole comment in context before making your childish replies.
good on you tom!
I realise the Mazda 6 and Mondeo are rivals, Richo.
The point I was making was that the Mondeo is not a medium-sized car, but a large car, so people shouldn’t be surprised with weight and consumption figures.
I suspect it’s being pitched as a medium car for Ford’s marketing purposes as much as engine sizes.
I don’t know how big the 6 is.
Bit like the Camry/Aurion I think Golfschwein. Mondeo and Falcon are very similar in size, as the Camry/Aurion are, but they are marketed differently to appeal to different buyer
John what are you talking about mate? I was talking about the mazda 6 to other people HOWEVER when i was specifically addressing you i was talking about the falcon…
I dont get why Ford would sell a medium sized car (Mondeo) and large car (Falcon) virtually at the same prices…. doesnt make sense, canibalising…. your own sales.
TP – The mondeo is euro built and incurs cost to import it, akes it slightly less competative than localy built cars. Its amazing to think it ever-so slightly cheaper in Australia than in the UK. Different markets though.
Its hardly canibalising, two different cars for two different buyers, Mondeo medium car medium engine, Falcon larger car, large engine…bit like the camry/Aurion thing going on you know where.
No Name justify it however you like fact is TP is absolutely right. The reason toyota gets away with it with the aurion/camry is because the aurion is really just a V6 camry, and they both come out of the same plant and 90% of the mechanicals are shared, so it doesn’t really matter what the percentage split between aurions and camry’s sold as long as someone is buying it. The only reason toyota went to the effort of differentiating the aurion through styling was because they had an export business in asia that called for a more “upmarket” version of the camry.
The Commen Below Has No Merit
Is it just me or does 7.3l/100km not sounds all that impressive? At $37,000 there is much cheaper family car motoring to be had from petrol 4cyl’s that use only marginally more then that, including petrol mondeo’s! Kinda leaves me thinking what exactly is the point?
By Richo…
Yeah what is your point Richo, being a bias Holden man as yourself, you are part of the pointless club, go drive a Mondeo then come back here with a reasonable comment or answer, I have read many of your posts and one after the other as per usual, trying to find every unrealistic mistake Ford creates, well you are wrong in nearly every department, do you have one positive bone in that body, imagine if this was a diesel Epica OMG. then you would say what a perfect car, not much wrong because it’s Holden, Yes Mazda 6 is a great car but the Mondeo will out class in many area’s and the diesel is as good as any on the market…
Richo – your point is please, I’m not knocking the Mazda 6 it a more than worthy car and given a level peg if not better than the Mondeo by the British Journo’s. My point to TP about the mondoe/Falcon and Camry/Aurion is they are in an EXACTLY the same position. Not difficult to see.
I’ve had one of these for the last 2 months – ‘worst’ economy figures I’ve got have been 7.5km/100litres which was pure city driving, my usual weekly driving route which is about 70% outer suburban roads, 30% country usually gets the consumption down to around 6km/100litres, which means about 1200km on a tank, which I ain’t complaining about – especially since its a huge car – its bigger than the Magna station wagon I traded it in for (I parked it beside it to check…)
Checked out the diesel Mazda6 before I bought it – Mazda was nice but I chose this cos its a little bigger (feels MUCH bigger inside..), has a 6 speed and the extra airbag – I like my knees!
TP, I and others have gone to all this trouble explaining that the Mondeo is a large car, larger actually in some dimensions than the outgoing Falcon, when you come in and call it a medium-sized car.
Ford pitch it as a medium car for obvious reasons, but it occupies the same space on the planet as a Falcon, if you were to see one on Google Earth.
Hi Golfie – I agreed the Mondie is a large car, I’ve made this point many moons ago, to the point where I downloaded and compared pretty much all the dims. The Mondy has a longer wheelbase, is wider, has more front leg room, The Falcon is longer, but has more shoulder room. I think Ford AU are pitching this lower down the scale more like a medium car in reality. Over here there ain’t a bigger car in Fords range than the Mondie.
Golfschwien,
Its obvious Toyota people can’t determine the difference between car sizes, Just look at Camry/Aurion, they think one is large and one is not!!
Don’t bother wasting time justifying a good car to TP
Bigger, smaller, faster, slower, efficient, guzzler; can’t believe how such large arguments start from relatively tiny differences? :-)
Guys, if everyone wanted the same thing, there would be one car type on the road – final. A world like that scares me, so enjoy the wealth of options at hand. We all look for different things in cars and, unfortunately wear our biases on our sleeves, but in reality we are spoilt for choice. Often, this choice is made over a couple of millimetreas, or a couple of tenths of a litre per 100km, or a couple of kilowatts – and ultimately depends on the application.
Reviews are great on their own merits (good work, CA), but comparisons to other ’similar’ vehicles are always going to show up differences (by definition of ’similar’, not ’same’). These differences are what make decisions possible, not make one car better or worse ‘in general’. This is simply because better or worse depends on the application, which depends on the buyer (you and me).
In my utopic world, all responses to such threads would contain qualifying statements – ‘Car A is better than B ‘under these conditions’… I know this would be more helpful to the likes of me, and those genuinely researching options; and not responses simply expressing alleigance to brands, size, technoligies, etc.
Cheers!
Matt -
My XH2 Falcon Ute could do 1200km with ease via the factory dual fuel tanks [ULP and LPG]
1000km for the Mondeo is NOT that impressive really.
Cheers
F-0
Sigh…
Unrelated to Mondeo but related to Ford… anyone got latest Wheel mag? Aurion ATX faster then Falcon 80-120kmh… what happened to all that Falcon torque? Aurion faster around track… what happened to this great RWD handling? Aurion in driving dynamics second only to XR6… what happened to Aurion being a crappy handling Camry? MIND YOU THAT WAS ATX V XR6, TRY SX6 WITH SPORTS SUSPENSION AND AURION PASSES XR6 FOR DYNAMICS… SLAP ON SOME 245 WIDTH TYRES INSTEAD OF SKINNY 215S AND THE AURION LEAVES THE FALCON FOR DEAD IN ALL ASPECTS!!!
No TP, I don’t buy Wheels magazine single fact, because it has bias articles and stupid mindless thoughts like you inheritantly keep dribbling on this site, I would rather be blind than read crap that comes from your out of control misguided finger tips and brain illusions..
Sorry for the break in transmission.
Not that Wheels is the be all and end all of opinions but maybe you missed their January edition TP:
“there’s no escaping the fact that the falcon’s superior steering and rear drive configuration, along with its all-round competitiveness, should make it the enthusiasts choice”
The cars in question? Aurion TRD and Falcon XR6T.
Hope you like your Aurion TP. My BA XR6T still flies.
Now back to the scheduled topic – the Mondeo TDCi.
I read the article TP…….You mean where they use the old XR6 as the bench mark for the WASP test…….
I found it funny what they said about the Camry,,,,
Camry should be available in one colour BEIGE,with BEIGE interior and matching mats. The Camry is clearly the benchmark for the zero passion set. hahaha Their words not mine.
What was that BM… Aurion has better dynamics then a XR6!!?! Still I want someone to address the rolling acceleration, Im told time and time again this torque BS means the Falcon has great overtaking ability on highways… yet the Aurion is a great margin quicker 80-120km/h. Im also told the XR6 handles so great, yes the ATX Aurion (BASE MODEL) beat it around a track. Im confused… what Ford fairies say isnt actually….. reality!
TP “Unrelated to Mondeo but related to Ford…” so why post it here you t i t.
You can’t seem to live with the fact that others prefer something different. You know I live in the UK so I’m able to give an unbiased opinion. I’ve looked at the Toyota AU Aurion website. I could honestly say I would not spend the cash on an Aurion but I would on the Falcon. Toyota do not sell the Aurion/Camry here as I’ve said before because they could not compete successfully against Euro stuff.
Now challenge for you TP Question. what percentage do Toyota have of the European car market? Please provide the source of the information, I think you’ll be disappointed.
HAHAHAH NO NAME… making a decision based on website. Please go away, I think children can form more of an opinion on Aurion v Falcon then someone that hasnt even seen them in the flesh let alone driven them!
TP, you’ve got some laughably selective quoting going on there. I quote WHEELS, “Then its mood changed, and it became a back marker in the brake, circle and slalom tests” with a further comment relating to narrow results for all contenders in those fields.
I’ve always trusted WHEELS. Ford Mondeo guy, have a look at how the Commodore shaped up in this biased rag, as I’m assuming that’s what gets you arced up. Then have a read of the glowing article on the new Ford and come back and tell me they’re biased.
Did you used to be Going Fords are the Going Thing? Or XXXX? Or BK? Or Craig Lowndes?
Actually TP, since you have a copy of the latest WHEELS, you’ve no doubt read the reaction in the letters pages to the COTY Kluger test? Scary, huh?
Yet the Aurion, Yaris and Corolla all did comparatively well in the WASP tests. Credit where credit’s due, do you think?
Foot (in) mouth disease TP?
See what I mean TP. Keep guessing matey. See you havnlt actually commented on the Toyota B-SUV yet. Your’e more wrapped up in this. If you do look you’ll see I made a positive comment on the thing.
If a guy came to take me out and he turned up in an Aurion I’d straight away think “Hey, he must have kind grand-parents cos they’ve lent him their car!” But then if he started getting all excited about his car and saying stuff like “… THAT WAS ATX V XR6, TRY SX6 WITH SPORTS SUSPENSION AND AURION PASSES XR6 FOR DYNAMICS…” I’d realise with fright that this was HIS car, and he’d bought it because he thought Aurions were actually hot!
Guys, don’t be harsh on TP – can’t you see him at night, in his Toyota pyrjamas, lying on his Toyota bedspread, gazing at his Aurion THD or whatever it is pictures on his wall, singing that song that Kim Jong Il sings on ‘Team America’ – “I’m so ronrey, so very ronrey…”
Is that you Bavarian. tee hee. Toyota PJ’s thats funny
Ha Ha Ha Ha….memory recall from TP is typical and like all his comments he can use the internet like a internet nerd fairy (resplendent with coke sized thick rimmed bottleneck glasses and cashmere cardigan) and spread his selective BS all over this website like the obsessed TOYOTA PULLER he is. Good to see he has not changed one bit even though he attempts too (albeit meekly and fake).
MS XR8….Ha Ha Ha Ha. TP would not be driving a Toyota in ‘Team America’ as everytime the backend fishtailed and hit something it kept going. Maybe he and the Presidente where also ooh la la as well!
I know it was only a typo, Ms XR8, but do “pyrjamas” self-combust? :)
No selective reading…. what Im finding very funny is a BASE MODEL Aurion nearly has the same dynamics as a XR6! Try as I said a Sportivo and that gap is gone if not Aurion leads, put the same size tyres on (which is going to make a MASSSSSSIVE difference in handling) and the Aurion has daylight over the XR6. Now I find this funny, given the comments in the past here about the Aurion have poor ‘dynamics’. The icing on the cake is the BASE MODEL Aurion is faster around a track then a XR6, again a Sportivo with its sports suspension and aftermarket fatter tyres will smash the XR6.
As for Kluger, the bogans wrote in… the last comment on second page was the only one which made sense, cornering on a dirt raod at 100km/h can be left to rally cars, not a 4WD (And this is forgetting that driver error could well be a contributing factor in that crash… as Wheels themself says, ESP is not foolproof, it took one of the biasd fools from Wheels to highlight that)
TP,
yes i do see some funny stuff in it but the real funny it that the 6yr old falcon is still in front of the much much newer aurion
“Then its mood changed, and it became a back marker in the brake, circle and slalom tests”
You just don’t read, do you TP? A back marker! Last! Goodness!
Elsewhere in the same article: “If it hadn’t been exempt from competing, the XR6 would have won WASP overall”
Further, have a look at the tester’s note on the RAV4: “Doesn’t have really good stability once really pushed – I think I had it on two wheels at one point”
Gosh, what an evolved car. And don’t dismiss the Klugger incident, TP. It’s real, and it could be real for any punter driving one on gravel who has to swerve unexpectedly.
Sorry, all, one more go: As for the “biasd Wheels fools”, well, you seem pretty pleased with what you’ve selectively read so far.
Na wasnt me No Name……I was tucked up in bed then….oh and that is TUCKED UP,before you cum back ! I know how your mind works.
Its called selective information….some like TP think they are accurate and most on here know the truth! Keep making info suit TOYOTA’S TP, you were weaned up on them!
HAHAHAHAHA Golf I have selective reading, yes you leave out the brackets straight after your quote “(Admittably the field was very compressed here [slalom course]“). People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones! And as I also said, BASE MODEL….THINNER TYRES. And at the end of the day, as far as Im concerned, the test of all those things they had as criteria (slalom, breaking, overtaking etc) comes together in the track time, which the Aurion won!! I find it somewhat ridiciulous you can test model in sports guise and another in base model guise, and say that the whole range is better or worse. In this case a base model has shown up the XR6, I guess they didnt use the Sportivo because it would look stupid the ‘benchmark’ being beaten!!!!!
TP, you’re quite wrong. You’re very wrong.
You seriously don’t read, do you. What did I write immediately after the quote? Go back and have a look: “…with a further comment relating to narrow results for all contenders in those fields”. That was my interpretation, I simply chose not to quote WHEELS.
I think it’s probably no use continuing with this. The Aurion didn’t win, plain and simple. You’re a Lists and Surveys man and it should come as no surprise that an article featuring lots of measurements came to your attention so quickly. You’re not a Road Test or an emotions and tactility guy, because if you were, that would have come to light in your posts eons ago. I don’t believe it’s something you will ever understand, and I’m not about to make you my Special Student.
Yes Golf and not quoting it had an obvious purpose, to place less emphasis on it. The fact is, which you cant accept, is that the V6 Camry has beaten them all for dynamics (would have beaten the XR6 if they had tested the Sportivo). As for your last sentnece, quite funny, I doubt youve driven the Aurion… I have. Its abit rich someone makes such a claim when they havent driven the vehicle (if you claim you have, its no doubt a lie). Im a stat and road test guy… your a nothing guy.
TP,
and all your credability just went out the window with that last childish comment of yours.
(no wait, is it possible to throw something out the window that you dont have?)
Is there anyone more less informed with facts or truths on this site than our one make lover TP, or is my mind turning upside down, I have never read so many posts relating to one solitary car, man you are so one eyed it’s scary, get a friggan life keyboard warrior, I think we should just ignore TP completely… AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH you make me crazy………………
Not sure he had any credibility in the first place. He’s only here for our enjoyment, you always got to have a joker in the pack…Only having the crack TP don’t take it personnally.
thanks no name,
but i already corrected myself at the end of my comment ha ha ha ha
Open creaky door….slam the door as FORD v TOYOTA (aka TP).
Ciao
Yeah, you losers! When I drive around in my hot AURION with the fluffy seat covers and the tissue box on the back windowsill all the old ladies in their bowls clothes look at me and go “Hey TP! Wicked wheels! You’re so HOT!!”
And I just go “Hey lovely ladies, – its the SPORTS model…!!!” And spin them skinny front tyres and leave them dreaming of a night of passion with me – looking through Toyota brochures and comparing specs between the Sportivo and other cars which I secretly wish I owned – like the XR6 or a pink Golf.
TP, that was very funny, hot Aurions, tissue boxs, Sportivos, fluffy seats, bowls clothes, your cred just went up ten fold.
Think you’ll find thats not TP. Its too well written and imaginative.
^^^
yeah but dont you wish it was?
a bit of humour from the kid wouldnt go astray every now and then
Oh not the Ford camp, who cant see beyond their ugly FG Falcon… say the person embaressing their ar*s that he doesnt post anything right. The problem here is we are surrounded by Ford fairies, I merely posted a Wheels car test, informing viewers (what do you Ford fairies do, apart from whack off over the ugly and not most powerful Falcon?)? I then made a LOGICAL observation that if a BASE MODEL Aurion can nearly match an XR6 for dynamics then a Sportivo with sports tuned suspension (like the XR6) could very well match it. I then made another LOGICAL explanation that if the Aurion had the same tyres as a Falcon, it would then definetely match it and no doubt exceed its dynamics. I concluded by noting how people here in the past, the ford fairies, attakced the Aurion based on ‘dynamics’. Anyone with half a brain can realise who’s face the pie is on.
:-) hahahahahahahahaha TP, please stop I think I just broke my rib from laughing too much ouchy lol :-)
Laughing at yourself? Try this on for size, what Aussie built large car is STILL the most powerful?
Settle down man, have a drink :-; , relax a little, numbers mean crap when we haven’t even seen official specs or comparisons from Ford yet, give the stats a break…..
TP,
the power figure means sweet F*** all.
the sooner you stop pulling your self over the power figure and start looking at how and when the power is made, coupled with the torque bank it has to back it up
then you might realise how silly your posts are
I’m starting to realise that the Mondeo TDCi discussion has kind of wilted…
Hey, TP! My dad just bought an Aurion and loves it – he’s 70 so he fits the target market. He is full of the “its got 200KW” argument – just like you – even though he will never come close to using any of it, but it makes him happy.
Just like it does you.
Hmm – TP…. Dad…? Is that YOU?!?!??!
I LIKE TP LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :-)
IT’s GOT 200 KILLER WASPS !!!! YEAH UP YA CRACK
Oh yes the Mondie, If people wnat to save money on fuel buy the diesel, remember the Falcon fuel figure of 10.3? lit/100km, the mondie 7.3. thats a whole 30% saving on your fuel bill. thats about $1300 dollars per year on an average drive.
$1300 saving??? turn it up.
by the time you factor in the higher cost of diesel and using the average of 20,000k’s a year it only like a $400 saving.
and then you still must compare it to its petrol equivalent which is the petrol mondeo NOT the petrol falcon.
and then you have to use the 6sp falcon figures not the 4sp falcon figures.
and all that for a $7000 premium on the diesel option?
I can’t understand why the diesel is that much more expensive. A few $1000 maybe, but $7k (just going of what Andrew M said, haven’t checked prices myself)? Seems excessive, and it would be hard to justify.
Andew M, the premium for the TDCI is only $3000- $37,990 for the TDCI VS $34,990 for the Zetec. I have driven both models and in my opinion the Zetec is quieter and feels more conventional whereas the TDCI is substantially torquier and would suit someone who is more used to the traditional aussie family car(low down grunt-easy low rev performance).
As far as overall running costs are concerned, even though the TDCI is $3000 more, you can expect the resale to be appropriately better down the line.
Tp the most powerful family car would either be FG XR8 (still a falcon and a family car) 290Kw V8 vs a 200Kw V6…. or still even quicker…. 270Kw XR6 turbo… these normal Falcons are quicker then your TRD….. lol a special vehicle eaten by a common Vehicle….. lol…lol.. i think TRD will need to improve there Preformace VERY SOON…. lol….
Does matter regarding Power because the Falcon is Quicker with 395Nm @ 3250Nm
Chopstar stop playing with yourself, you know what I mean, most powerful family 6… the Falcon with so much more displacement couldnt equal it, prity pathetic.
Andrew.M Id be keeping my head down, you part of the Aurion has poor dynamics camp way back, yet a base model matched a XR6. Further to the point, the Aurion beat the Falcon with its great torque from a rolling start 60-100km/h where all that ‘useable’ torque should have been a great advantage. Ive said it 1000x I will say it again, the Falcon WEIGHS more… it is RWD and loses more power to the WHEELS. In other words, the Aurion shyte all over the now ugly Falcon.
OMG.. HERE WE GO AGAIN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) my front wd is better than your rear drive argument, where does it get off..
Chopstar Aurion is half a secon quicker to 100…. half a second quicker from 60-100km/h. Get your hand of your you know what and wake up, torque is nothing if the car weighs more and loses more of it to the wheels.
Andrew M – the Insider is totally correct, that $1300 is roughly corect and the resale is a good point. You generally recover the cost differential at about 40,000. about two years
But TP, it seems that you can’t get over the fact that Camrions and the people who drive them are considered about as interesting as a Marie biscuit. On planes I’ve sat next to many slightly overweight (or freakishly skinny), buck-toothed, awkwardly unfortunate looking, fashion rejecting people and at times I’ve thought to myself “ah yes, these are the people who buy Toyotas – God bless their cotton socks”.
TP What is it with you toyo-tossers….? The Aurion is in a completely different class to the Mondeo.
The only real similarity they have is that theyre both FWD.
As I said you are the type of person that compares a Koenigsegg to a Yaris and still think the Yaris is better
The closest thing Toyotoyo has as a direct rival to the Mondeo would probably be the Corolla which the Mondeo would beat in terms of power performance specification and above all looks.. as it would with the Camry which is effectively an Uglier Aurion with a smaller engine
Quote: [TP] Chopstar stop playing with yourself, you know what I mean, most powerful family 6… the Falcon with so much more displacement couldnt equal it, prity pathetic.
Aah yes but I would like to see an Aurion try and handle the power that both the V8 Falcon and Commodore produce -
without the whole front end engine transfer case etc being blown apart
That’s right they tried by bolting a supercharger on to it.. the same Blower Holden used on the V6 Monaro…. Holden didn’t have any problems but as we all know Toyota most certainly did.
Anyway the RWD XR8; SS GT and Clubbie are considered by most to be a performance car.. I am yet to hear the term Aurion and Performance car used in the same sentence.
I also recall several times when Toyo-tossers have denied that the Aurion is not aimed at the perfomance Car enthusiast unlike the SS and XR8
So for you to say that the Aurion is better than a car in a different category afte making such a statement is contradictory… but then again you are full of contradictions
Hmmm… great argument, every person who drives an Aurion is overweight, funny because most bogans I see driving Falcons or Commodores are fat f*cks who need that extra torque to pull their own and their wifes fat a*se around.
Wheelnut as for first thing, Im not comparing to Mondeo. As for second part, great comparison, a 3.5L V6 to a V8… the usual bogan comeback. Im comparing rivals here, Falcon v Commodore v Aurion. The Aurion wins with daylight in power, the wheels test now shows it wins in dynamics as well! Gee whiz if they can make a tarted up Camry that good, Id hate to see how they go when they really put their mind to it (ie Lexus… to lesser extend, TRD Aurion). The only contradtiction here is your argument, at one point telling me not to compare a superior car to an inferior one (Aurion v Mondeo) but when convenient doing the same with a V6 v V8. The sad part being I never compared Aurion to Monde here in recent history, so your the only one that looks like an idiot doing so with a V8!
TP,
mate i think you should be the one who keeps ones head down as you have so many un answered questions over this entire website that you have convieniently skirted around when the point comes that you realise how much of a fool you have been.
the aurion doesnt beat the falcon by half a secon so get over it.
the official figures for both are exactlly the same so deal with it. even toyota says its 7.4secs
just keep trying mate
No Name,
mate i dont know how you do your maths
the difference between a mondeo petrol and diesel is 2.2L/100k
petrol for 20,000k’s = $2280 @$1.2L
diesel for 20,000k’s = $2044 @$1.4L
is no where near $1300 savings.
yes i know the diesel is better equiped than the base petrol model which is an $8000 difference but i suppose fair comment in it is only a $3000 premium over the Zetec which has the comparible equipment list.
also good point on better resale.
either way it still would take you 12 years to recoup the money. oh and why does diesel demand a premium?
as a comparison you can re coup the cost of an LPG conversion in under a year
HA HA HA HA – love TP’s comment about the acre arses. Funny as!
Sorry Andrew.M many tests have been done, I think Drive is a credible source…0.5second difference. Then you have wheels, again 0.5second from 60-100km/h. Based on this its quite safe to say the Aurion will be quicker then a Falcon.
0.5 seconds pffft…
Acceleration times can vary from magazine to magazine as they would from driver to driver as everyone has different driving styles and different reaction times etc
Just look at how quickly Tander took off from the line yesterday – yet Skaife was left for dead..
There are just so many variables which like the ANCRAP tests aren’t taken into consideration when the tests are carried out
Does Skaife drive an Aurion as an everyday driver,maybe thats his problem.hahaha Just jokes babe.
But yeah I agree its all to do with reaction times.
My comment is awaiting moderation ffs, so expect to see it up in a week!!!!! A summary…
* Wheelnut : Drive test had a number of controls in place, so variations as you said wheelnut are accounted for
* BM : Similarirly the wheels test also had controls, and showed 60-100km/h (practical example, overtaking) the Aurion is superior.
TP,
and ive seen better figures for a falcon than 7.4 secs too.
thats why as silly as it might sound we must use these official figures.
same goes for fuel consumption
its the same argument where either side can argue that their car easily exceeds official figures.
that is why once again we must use official figures.
there are many variables for 0-100 times and even if the sam driver were to do 10 runs in the same car they wouldnt all return the same time.
yep great example wheelnut how 2 professional drivers in the exact same equipment and tander left skaiffe for dead.
i actually think the best start was from will davison though. he had to negotiate 2 rows of cars in front of him and swerve right across to the inside of the track and still tailed tander into the first corner. in other words if davison was on the front row next to tander then i reckon will would have easily lept in front of tander.
i still think that tander would have still had the raw pace to win the race overall but he would have been jumped off the start for sure
Yet this morning in the 60-100 overtaking move; my 2.5 litre 4 Cyl Subaru Impreza easily caught up and passed a [Puke Green] Aurion Sportivo… which by tour logic TP means my RS is far more superior to the Aurion
Yet what you don’t know is whether or not the driver of the car being overtaken was travelling at or below the speed limit and if so by how much..
The other thing is in most cases you get drivers that can’t stand being overtaken [usually in smaller less powerful cars than yours] so as soon as an SS pulls out to pass a Camty for instance the toyota driver will speed up…
Which will then give the impression that the SS is having trouble passing as its taking slightly longer than normal -it wouldn’t had the toyo-tosser kept driving at his original slow speed
So yet again so many variables that happen in the real world but cant factor in to a test
Okay then TP there may have been a number of controls in place in both the Motor an Wheels tests..
Yet as with the various 2-3 way comparisons they do in the magazines.. one thing that has a real impact n the performance of the cars is how new/old they are and how many Kms each car has on them before they do the test..
I mean when the new FG Falcon is released its likely that the cars Wheels and Motor are given will have less than 1,000Kms on them yet the VE commodres that theyll get will probably have more than 10,000kms..
So the VE will be run in more and perform close to its potential and therefore most lilely come out on top in the Acceleration tests etc
To make it fairer instead of using Brand New Showroom cars the car companies should allow the media to use prototypes [mules] that were part of the R&D of the car as they often do in excess of 10,000Kms at least that way it will be more even
TP,
oh and i love the way drive and wheels is credible when it suits you to quote from it yet when others do they are labelled useless
Correct Andrew M, if drive and Wheels were not so bias or hot headed like Holden V8 supercar drivers then maybe they have a point and unfortunately TP fits in this category very well, he’s a classic one make nothing better numb nut…
I’m glad my Holden loving mates don’t carry on like pork chops…
Ford,
mate what did i tell you??
i told you it was GO DJR!!!! not go Jamie ha ha ha ha
Quote [AndrewM]: TP, oh and i love the way drive and wheels is credible when it suits you to quote from it yet when others do they are labelled useless..
Too True Andrew
Andrew M, yeah Jamie and Will, well just might take it in turns for wins Jamie next week, being house mates things are falling into place what good racing both endured yesterday and today… :-)
Now that Ford won, I will not have to deal with that child with ADD telling me it’s a BS like, “Ford can’t compete with Holden any more, Holden now compete with BMW Mercedes Benz”
Hahahahah 2.5L Impreza beats Aurion Hahahahahaha…. that sums up the credibility of you people.
TP – my point was that even though I managed to overtake an Aurion [quite easily] in my Impreza was that the time taken to overtake depends on variables such as the speed I was doing compared to the speed of the aurion as well as the power to weight ratio..
I mean the Aurion could have been doing anything from 60-100.. who knows?..
Because as i said – in most cases when you are trying to overtake someone they often seem to speed up as they finally realise that the speed limit has changed and they are being overtaken inorder to keep he traffic flowing
Its the same with those who claim they beat an SS Commodore away from the lights in their Yaris… It doesn’t mean anything if the driver of the SS wasn’t actively taking part in the Drag Race which the toyo-tosser would like to think he was
Anyway TP why do you find it so hard to believe that a Subie could beat an Aurion?
I mean have you ever watched the Bathurst 12 hour or the GTP Championship.. If you have you will see that quite often the smaller lighter AWD cars such as the Subies and Evos win… Daylight second with the V8 Clubbies XR8s thrid and the Aurions…..?
TP,
thanks for not making us work hard to discredit you as your childish comments of which you plant a plethra of around this site speak for themselves.
Wheelnut,
mate the aurions torque steered off at forest elbow. thats where they went.
if you are taking about the performance car series, it is actually the big V8’s that pretty much lead the way. but yes you are right in that it is only really the likes of the AWD evo’s etc that can come anywhere near them and sometimes even beat them
Good try TP. What are the Aurions doing overall on the track, Have they won races? I dunno dude you know i’m a pohm in the northern hemisphere so a bit disconnected from the Aussie race scene.
What success has Toyota got Downunder in car racing??? Next to nil and if it has it is same as Toyota in F1!
Thats why I’m asking but i’d never expect an answer from TP, he’s good a quoting facts but never answering questions.
Still he’s/she’s good at pulling our plonkers and winding us up!!! :)
The only form of Motorsport Toyota has had any real success in Oz is the Australian Rally Championship
Mind you it was only just recently that Toyota decided to enter a factory backed team [TRD]
Before that Neal Bates stuck with Toyota even though he was getting his arse kicked by Subaru..
So really Toyotas success is more due to Neals Commitment and Loyalty to Toyota and not the other way around.. Toyota only jumped on board when they could see that Neal was going be a champion – particularly after Possum Bournes death
To be fair to Toyota, you have to actually be in the competition to win, and the one they are in (ARC) they have actually done ok. Anyway, the whole car racing scene is irrelevent when the ability/worth of a car is being examined. I know I for one don’t give a sh*t who wins Bathurst etc. It definitely won’t change the way I think of the cars in the race.
If the car racing scene is irrelevant; then why do so many manufacturers spend millions of dollars each year competing in the various motorsport championships around the world?
By saying that it seems you are admitting that it was wrong for Toyota to waste so much money on F1 – yet if they weren’t involved you wouldn’t have the [supposed] F1 inspired V6 engine in the Aurion.. now would you
Motorsport has helped bring about so many changes to the automotive industry and inmprovements to the cars that wwe see in the showrooms
Car Racing is irrelevean….? Yeah Right
Success in motorsport doesn’t lead to success in its road-going equivilent. A few bogans probably go out and buy a new Falcon or Commodore because it won the championship, but for the majority of people, motorsport success will have NO influence on the car they buy. Hence irrelevant.
Yeah but nearly every motor ccar company has a motorsport heritage and motorsport is where they have developed a number of features on todays cars which help improve the safety performance and handling etc
So even though you believe its irrelevant in terms of influencing your decision as to what [boring] Toyota you buy.. it is relevant in the research and development of the actual motor vehicle..
I mean do you honestly believe wthat without motorsport we would have things such as ABS EBD ESP DOD C/C T/C LSD SRS
Im partially agreeing with Jbot here.
race track sucess doesnt lead to road going sucess.
i mean wheelnut do you honestly believe that if there wasnt motorsport we wouldnt have such things in our road going vehicles as ABS, ESP, SRS, TC, CC, DOD etc etc.
if you really do believe that and it wasnt a typo then can you enlighten me on these many categories that implement even a fraction of those driver aids. ABS is really about as far as it goes but still in some categories ABS isnt allowed. the funniest thing is why the hell would a race team spend time and money in developing something as useless as DOD?
i really hope you hav made a typo or im not reading you right because i know you arent that silly.
JBOT,
mate im sure these people you call bogans dont go out and believe that because a falcon won on the weekend that buying a road going V8 falcon will have them driving around in a replica of what won the race.
it is a sport and no different to a footy fan base.
if your favourite footy team (say the Broncos) is doing well you go and buy a Broncos footy jersey dont you? and it makes you feel good to know you are supporting a winning team. when you put it on of course you dont think you are really as good as Darren Lockyer.
no different when you might support the ford team that won and also drive a ford for eg
and if you think motorsport sucess/development isnt related to the sucess of a road car (which i partially agree) than you better go and burst the bubble of the 2 toyota loyals on here that love to harp on about how bates, TRD, prodrive and the gibbs team that is racing toyotas in the states will ensure one hell of a technologically advanced performance road going vehicles from toyota
Wheelnut your kidding yourself you think an Impreza cant overtake an Aurion… sure if your going flat out and he is lightly accelerating… but all things being equal, the Aurion smashes an Impreza with daylight, the wheels test highlighted how effective it is, 0.5secs faster then a falcon!
No name good one, Wheels test has put the writing on the wall… a BASE MODEL Aurion is faster around a track then a sports tuned Falcon.
Andrew.M If discredit means being told a Impreza beats a Aurion then geez whiz Im discredited lol! The problem with that argument is what your typing and reality are two completely different things
Whatever you reckon TP…
TP, you do know that overall the XR6 did beat the Aurion dynamically? Comparing both cars on two completely different tracks (more bends, tighter bends, hilly, etc) will yield a completely different outcome. If you have a look at that Wheels, you’ll see the track is basically a square with one slalom-like edge, which would suit the Aurion more than the Falcon as it has a power advantage.
Andrew M, it is exactly like buying a footy jersey, you are correct. Even if the product isn’t up to the same standard quality/performance/whatever-wise, these people go out and buy the Ford or Holden because they won a race, not because the product is superior. You don’t have to agree, but I don’t think that’s a great reason to spend your hard-earned cash on an inferior product!
It was a typo ; or maybe my statement was poorly worded – because my main point was that Motorsport is a very good test bed particularly in terms of aerodynamics; mechanicals and crash safety etc which has helped in the research and development of the motor vehicle .. and is the foundations from which designers and engineers have gone further to make the modern motor vehicle even safer faster etc
because without sound foundations such as a reliable engine good suspension and brakes etc anything that you do after that isn’t going to be any better
TP,
im not going to even bother. even your toyota buddy can see throught to reality better than you can.
jbot likes his toyotas but at least he can see through to reason.
Jbot,
nice twisting of words mate ha ha ha
not every body looks for the same thing in a product.
im not sure what you mean when you say an inferior product when relating to a racing product…..
what are the performance cars in the XR6T, XR8 and SS inferior to if you were to buy either?
i might say the SS is inferior to an XR6T as i might be wanting pure dynamics and speed with the option to upgrade.
where as someone might say the XR6T is inferior to the SS because the SS has much better note to it and it is N/A
buying a car is a balancing act and i doubt there is a vehicle out there that would deliver something that is superior to every other product in every way and on top of that satisfy the owner in every way
I agree with all you have said in the post above, EXCEPT for the “jbot likes his toyotas” bit. That is so far off the mark its not funny. I just try to give all cars the credit they deserve, and challenge anything which I don’t believe is true. If that means occasionally defending a toyota, so be it.
Whats up baby…..he now picking on the Subbie…you and I both know whats more fun to drive and modify,I mean do they edit Aurions,woops..FWD why bother.
I guess where still talking .05 of a second still….geez louise who cares. I thought we had been through this before! There are so many variables that we can associate with 0.5 when passing so can we please move on. Just as Jbot mentions on the track when their head to head….
Jbot,
did you like that little funny mate? ha ha ha
mate i like to think i give credit where it is due too mate.
its no secret i prefer my fords, but i can still see through to the bottom line of thing.
even though im a ford fan i have defended makes such as nissans, holdens, subarus, mazdas and yep even toyotas.
but all only when it is due or i see it as being a bit unfair. i have also described some of the downfalls that i see in my own favoured ford motor company
I’m not really bothered.
FWD v AWD means the Subie has less chance of losing traction under hard acceleration.. thereby negating the 0.5 second advantage as well as better control through bends/corners as you can power out quicker without worrying about torque steer… just point and shoot d
Oh and the subie also has better weight distribution and a better feel through the steering wheel
dont worry Wheelnut,
TP doesnt know about this weird concept of drivnig enjoyment.
his philosophy is “if it dont come with a survey to back it, then send it back”
ANDREW M…CEO of FORD GROUP Alan Mullaly has some great stuff in store and it seems to be getting rid of USA crap and more kinetic swish slick lookers. Just hope they dont over tweak as AU is not that far off these kinetic designs hey!
Andrew – I think as far as TP is concerned they are actually two separate yet still unknown concepts.. that is both DRIVING and ENJOYMENT!
I wouldnt say JBot is Toyota hey. And I agree a buyers selective choices should not be narrowed down to who won at Bathurst or ARC and whatnot….maybe it is part of the criteria with some but not me! For me it is features, safety, performance, reviews and the main one a serious drive and feel and look at overall design and fit of it all to see if rough edges. I for one sat in a buddies Monaro and it is immaculate fit and finish…yet if you listen to some like TP, its not worth the look. Mate has had trouble free time of it and loves it!
Driver enjoyment from a gutless Impreza, ok idiots.
Jbot yes I know the Falcon won, but if you opened your eyes youd realise Ive highlighted on many occasions how it was a BASE MODEL Aurion, thus a Sportivo with its sports suspension would do better then the Aurion did in areas such as Slalom and Max G, both areas it lost out in. On top of this, slap some 245 tyres on like the XR6 to make it fair, and it would exceed the XR6 in dynamics. As for course yes I know to well the differences, Ive highlighted them in the past… fast corners are good for FWD and slow corners are better for RWD, but the fact remains, the Ford folks such as BF/BA will claim a Falcon is faaaaaar superior to an Aurion in power… and Andrew.M and co have said way back how the Aurion is nothing but a Camry with the poor dynamics attached, in light of this the Falcon should have beaten the Aurion, it didnt.
So according to TP all the F1 cars should be FWD.. Ha Ha :) thats reallt funny. Aaawwwh Come on TP do yourself a favour…..mate
TP,
mate you should have a listen to yourself sometime and be amused by the contradictions you say.
check this out from the first sentence from main paragraph………
“Jbot yes I know the Falcon won”
and now last line……….
“Falcon should have beaten the Aurion, it didnt.”
SAY NO MORE………..
NM,
i totally agree with you mate but i dont feel all the credit should be given to the basketball and waffles man as most of it was already in the pipeline.
for eg the mondeo, kuga, fiesta, new falcon, new focus etc etc
the UK ford website is what we need replicated here not the US site so i totally agree with you
the best thing it is different in terms of design (not like others) and there is a lot of focus on quality. couple that with the already good traits of fords being safety and comfort/handling and 5 yrs from now looks to be a differently percieved Ford MOCO
Where did I say that? Im talking about the Impreza, the vehicle a number of reviews have said words to the effect of ‘Why bother having AWD and the efficiency losses attached, with such little power that doesnt need AWD’. There is more enjoyment in an Aurion than a NA Impreza…. that is saying something!
driver enjoyment = just keep driving your wide body camry TP
may your first truely enjoyable vehicle come with stain proof interior as you would be like Jason Biggs in “american pie” alone in the room with Nardia ha ha ha
Andrew.M that was in reference to around the track…. the first quote you highlighted was about dynamics. Perhaps wear your glasses next time before trying to catch me out!?
I think even a widerbody camry offers more enjoyment then a Impreza…. AWD… with shyte all power…. as I said, many a review has stated that its completely pointless having AWD on that model
TP I can’t believe you’re comparing the performance of a small car like an impreza with a camry. What a load of bollix. Next you’ll be comparing the yaris with a ferrari. I don’t believe what i’m reading your on another planet.
Don’t get me wrong i’ve not said the camry/aurion is crap before you retaliate.
You have to be joking right. Firstly Subaru is a step above Toyota in quality and performance in most of their products.
Secondly Wheelnuts Subbie is 10kws down on a Rex cause its modified,ever seen a wide bodied Camry modified…..now that would be funny to see.
Thirdly Ill let you know if the AWD is pointless on the way back to his place next Thursday, I mean if he was driving a Camry and launched he would need both hands on the steering wheel wouldn’t he and we wouldn’t want that.hahaha
Hes gone for the night but Im sure he’ll be happy with my response to you.
TP, as the owner of a Mondeo TDCi and someone who was looking forward to people’s opinions and views on it, thanks for turning this discussion into a Falcon vs Aurion debate. Maybe next time go elsewhere to try and convince everyone that you made the right vehicle choice. You are obviously not comfortable with it and the majority on here appear to disagree with you – live with it and move on. To be blunt, I don’t give a rats about the base model aurion, regardless of the width of tyre.
I’m More than happy Babe…. but you already know that
Open creaky door slowly…..
LOL……….WHEELNUT. To take the saying you threw at me earlier. I thought this was a caradvice website and not love website. Can we keep it toned down and subject related…..am joking dude!
Close the door real slow as creaky and dam loud too……. Must WD40 those old rusty hinges!
Thats TP…..colours shine threw as compares TOYOTA versus anything else.
JOKE……….the Yaris with better wider tyres will outdo a Veyron and will do quicker 0-100! He looks through a kaleidescope and thinks its a magnifying glass when he Sherlock Holmes subjects on here! Bet you he had a pram as baby being a Toyota with those italian dices hanging off rear view mirror! Weaned and was bottled fed with music playing repeatedly in background or John Laws warbling his Golden Tonsils about Toyota….”OH WHAT A FEELING, TOYOTA
ANDREW M….in reference to your comment @ March 10th, 2008 at 9:19 pm. Are you suggesting a scotchguard treatment to interior? LOL when I just backtracked and read your comment nearly feel outta me chair with roaring laughter……..wipe tears away.
THE AURION WILL OUTDO ANY CAR WITH WIDER TYRES! EVEN CAMRY IS BETTER THEN VEYRON……..things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmm (LOL…shake of head heaps)
Bugger me Maximus you’re up early, go get soem work done you lazy sod.
We all know Toyota outclass absolutely everyting on the planet. I’m off to the same opticion as TP to buy some rose coloured Coke bottles. Ha Ha :) Hi TP chill dude
NM,
mate i knew if anyone liked that comment i made earlier it would be you. glad you liked it dude.
TP,
mate if you think for a ride to be enjoyable it has to lead in the power wars than you seriously are a simple person.
just take a stroll over to this mondeos sister car the mondeo XR5 and read the raving review of how enjoyable the reviewer found that. the only gripe was that it could have a few more kw’s but even with that considered the reviewer thourougly enjoyed the drive and didnt want to hand it back.
No Name wake up before you post, Wheelnut claims an Impreza beats an Aurion, I was merely highlighting how funny that is.
BM find it hard to believe you would modify a regular Impreza and not buy a WRX, sounds like BS to me. As for wide bodied camry, hahah you idiot, YES. Not that Im a huge fan of its looks, but try 380 WHEELkw on for size, smokes corvettes no trouble… google search it, “tony the tiger”. Alittle more then a 150kw Impreza aye?
David, no worries, I can give you some advice… wrong car to buy, its a Ford.
Andrew.M yeah XR5 is a great car, nearly taken down by a Family car Aurion in straight line acceleration.
TP, but there is a power difference between the two and ratio difference.
TP is obviously angle parked in a parallel universe.
The subie my be underpowered [even though its not] but at least the AWD gives you mre assurity in the fact that you can point and shoot the car in a particular direction.. even more so through the twisty bits..
Whereas with the Aurion; accelerate to hard or too early and the whole front end is over-powered resulting in loss torque steer.
Power is one thing the way that power is delivered is another.. as they say Power is nothing without Control and with the subie you feel more in control of the car not the other way around.
I don’t claim it does I know it does because I did.. and no I wasn’t going flat-out merely cruising
The reason I didn’t go for a WRX is because I see no point in paying 2.5 times as much insurance for a WRX as you do with an RS just because it has a Turbo..
Everything else in the RS is the same as a WRX except for a bigger engine.. and because its not a WRX it’s less of a Target
So the money I saved on insurance I have been able to spend on other things.
LOL………….NO NAME. Your humour is cool, not as savage as the cold there. What is it Summer and 5C – gotta love that! AS IF!
TP if the V6 in the Wide Body Camry made 380 [Wheel] KW why the hell did they drop it and go for the [supposed] F1 inspired V6 which is alleged [by toyota] to produce 200kw?
Could it be the same reason that the new Corolla produces 15-20Kw less than the previous model?
Not quite summer yet, currently being battered by storms and 5degrees, I actually don’t mind a bit of rain as I have webbed feet.
Hi TP i’m not an idiot just certifiable!!! :)
Mondeo V Aurion now aww come shabba ranks get real.
Love Nut sorry Wheelnut – I reckon that Scoobie of yours would leave a Toyota Hilux RoRo (Roll on Roll Over) for smoke on a track. Ha Ha
Morning No Name…….swap you some heat for some rain or snow?
Geez TP……give it up,thats like saying why would you buy a XR6 turbo over a F6…..cause if your good enough with mods and edits you can get more grunt out of it,just ask Ross.Oh and still for less money.Me I wouldn’t buy the new GT.I would buy the new XR8 and edit it…..
Hey NO NAME….I here surfs up at Tourquay. Do many albino tans turn up there as would be a eyesore! HA HA HA….5C and Summer another 10weeks off (as I knew) spells disaster!
Geepers she is a humdinger again on here with TP, he must love it as plenty of comments around him.
TP the sourcce of all our amusment. ;)
Wheelnut Ive driven an Aurion…. and funnily enough Ive driven an Impreza, the new one. It doesnt need AWD, its a complete waste on a car with its power, you mention assurity and all that fluff… fair enough in the wet its good, but in the dry the nannies keep a FWD car even with 200kw in check, the Aurion is proof with less torque steer then a 100kw Lancer! As for Camry with 380kw, mate its a heavily modified vehicle with a turbo… Im not sure what your getting at but it sounds stupid, I was just making a point from BMs complete and expected ignorant, that there are modified Camrys, in fact ones which put FPVs to shame.
BM youve already showed the lack of knowledge you have, you should be giving up.
The only amusement here is claims that an Impreza can beat an Aurion.
TP, no worries. Thanks for the tip. I’ll return my Mondeo tomorrow. Toyota make good, generally reliable, utterly boring cars. I know this as my first car was a camry. Funnily enough, it’s also the only car that’s ever left me stranded. Oh what a feeling that was in peak hour traffic on Punt Rd. My Fords give me the best of both worlds – I wake up and think should I beat the aurion today with performance (XR6T) or safety and economy (TDCi)? (Oh OK, I admit I’ve only had those thoughts after reading your comments). On another issue, how did Toyota manage to cram so many airbags into the aurion and still only get a 4 star crash rating? BTW, have you organised to help your buddies at Wheels turn their Kluger the right way up yet? It’s not too hard to find arguments against almost any car if you really want to. It’s a great feeling to be satisfied with your purchase though.
hahaha..nice one David ,although it will fall on deaf ears.As usual
ummmm,hows that TP…….calling me the ignorant one.I would think Ive been around more cars owned more cars ,read more books, listened to more facts,attended more car shows, spent longer in a workshop environment,understand what modified means,driven more horsepower and can more than likely out drive you too.Especially if you rock up next to me at the lights,but I guess your glorified Camry would nail the little nimble M3 . Accountants..geez.
Head gasket, David?
So I guess you also know about Osmans WRX which puts out close to 500Kw?
And a Impreza can beat an Aurion.. it all depends on how its driven.. I mean the legendary Jim Richards drove a bloody volvo to victory at Bathurst remember?
MISSILE. The abacus….just doesnt add up! Seems like accountant is using one there and he added when should be minused.
mmm,could be right NM. I mean 0 x 0 = 0
David….
* You can also think about how your going to have to take your Ford back to the dealer within 6months of purchase, as 55% of falcons and most of ther fords have engine problems in the first months after sale!
* Ive been told re star rating that ANCAP require a payment to undertake side impact crash, which Holden and Toyota refused (not sure if this is actually the case, sounds logical though… also Golf makes a good point, head gasket… linked into the above stat). Eitherway Im assuming you have the previous model XR6T, which doesnt even have curtain airbags… the most important side impact airbag considering head trauma is the biggest issue in these typres of crashes.
* Good for you being satisfied, everyone is different though, I wouldnt be satisfied with a Mondeo or any Ford.
BM you have so much knowledge that you ignorant enough to think no Camrys would have been modified…. Im sure youve done all that stuff LOL. Mind you this 380 wkw is not the only example, many other turboed examples. How many kws does the new GT have…. 480kw? Thats how many it needs to camry the boosted Camry, using the 20% loss from flywheel to wheel rule.
Wheelnut sorry, unless you have a retard behind the wheel an Aurion is going to smash an Impreza EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK…. your taling what, 110kw and 200Nm…. the Aurion nearly has DOUBLE the power, 1.5x the torque. The Impreza is listed at 11.6seconds to 100… the Aurion at 7.4seconds. The only area a Impreza benefits is off the line with its AWD, can rev the arse off it then launch, but given the 0-100km/h times that doesnt help much… once its rolling the AWD gives nothing extra but weight and loss of power to wheels, the Aurion smashes it… esp so given its the Wheels winner in overtaking 60-100km/h, beatin Falcon with all its great torque! Your story sounds like the typical ‘oh my Corolla beat a SS’, unfortunately the other car wasnt trying or hadnt gone flat out, but you somehow think your 110kw car can beat something with substantially more power. Also just looking at price, you say RS chosen cos of cost, its only $9k difference… modifications to get to 160kw would cost a few grand, why the hell wouldnt you get a WRX with its powerful engine (any changes internally? IF so, then more reliable!), better brakes and other features.
Bluddy Toy-mota Paul made a typing error….
* You can also think about how your going to have to take your Toyota back to the dealer within 6months of purchase, as 55% of Aurions and most of ther Toyotas have engine problems in the first months after sale!
* Ive been told re star rating that ANCAP require a payment to undertake side impact crash, which Holden and Toyota refused (not sure if this is actually the case – TP what BS you spill… also Golf makes a good point, head gasket… linked into the above stat). Eitherway Im assuming you have the previous model XR6T, which does have curtain airbags… the most important side impact airbag considering head trauma is the biggest issue in these types of crashes.
* Good for you being satisfied, everyone is different though, I wouldnt be satisfied with a Aurion or any Grandma Toy-mota.
Great work Ford, but unfortunately…
a. The stats have Toyota as leaders in reliability, not equal last like the Commodore and Falcon.
b. I said I wasnt sure, prity sure it might be true though.
c. Id be satisfied with a car that doesnt break down, so a Toyota… not one that is sold with the company knowing full well it has problems (Falcon headgasket… early Holden LS engines)
TP, you misread me. I was asking David if the only time his camry left him stranded was due to a fried head gasket. I wasn’t talking about Falcons. Camrys were renowned for it, up until the first wide body model, at any rate.
TP – there is no real point arguing with you if you refuse or anable to believe/accept that an Subie can and did pass an Aurion [at cruising speeds] then that’s your problem..
Yet can you explain how the hell can a Subie have loss of power to the wheels as AWD is providing equal amounts of power to all wheels all of the time thats why its called All Wheel Drive
I put Camry head gaskets in the same basket as Commodore V6 rear main seals and Camira “did not proceeds”, having had experience of all 3 at a large company.
Read my statement again TP I didn’t choose the RS because of cost it was that the annual insurance premiums for a WRX were 2 to 2.5 times as much as the RS and given the fact the WRX is a target for thieves and joy-riders etc
the premium for a WRX has either remained the same or gradually increased – I know mmy brother in law has one
Whereas I have been able to make the various enhancements that to my RS for approx $1k which has improved the power performance and handling yet not draw any [unwanted] attention to it.. It just looks like a stock standard RS
but iy=t isn’t…. its what they call Stealth
Quote [TP]: Wheelnut sorry, unless you have a retard behind the wheel an Aurion is going to smash an Impreza EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK….
I take it by retard you mean someone who is boring…. conservative… an Accountant?
Quote [TP]: once its rolling the AWD gives nothing extra but weight….
How can or does a car gain extra weight once its rolling?
Sure the heavier the car the more power is required ot get it moving off the line.. but is once the car is in motion and gradually increases speed.. the weight [which doesn't change] just adds to the terminal velocity of the vehicle thereby helping create more speed and thereby reducing the need for moreor as much power to maintain the speed
If anything the AWD system makes it easier to get the weight of the Subaru moving as the load is spread evenly between all 4 wheels whereas with the Aurion the job is left to the front 2 wheels – so really the Avalon needs the extra 40Kw to pull its arse off the line
Um…….TP your joking right…..how many Camrys are we actually talking about? Um TP if you supercharged the current 5.4 boss dropped some better rods and pistons in it you’ll get what the boys in the States get no problem.600 -712 hp. Thats what the Super Snake gets now.
Edited Camrys…….hahahahaha..thats so funny,I can see it now. Some uni student that dad and mum bought a SV21 Camry for 10 years ago for a daily driver,stock wheels and height but a big Greedy decal across the windscreen then throws a turbo on it to impress the other accountant student on campus.Oh sorry was that you I was referring to?
I crack myself up!
Oh and does he feed 380 kws through those stock drive shafts?pftttttt knock knock knock knock…..is that the sound it makes
keep it coming BM. I have run out of Camry widebody insults.
oh u forgot the big mechano style spoiler on the boot.
Shudder. I had one of those, Realcars. Company car, OF COURSE!!!
It ran faultlessly, unlike the previous one, but was boredom and averageness defined with a horrible, uninspiring, tinkly engine note.
MISSILE….lol heaps, you must be Humpty Dumpty as you crack yourself up. TP is losing it most times and he is aggressive which gets more banter and comments back. Maybe if he puts wide wheels on his red “go quicker” SV21 with flame decals on side with aftermarket rear tailights then he will be in heaven?
Has everyone seen the new Bmw 3 series ad yet, its a classic how it describes front wheel drive, hence toy-mota cars, demonstrating the traction loss if you had this setup, while making a clear statement about how RWD is far superior in most areas of driving, so eat dust TP…..u can’t argue with BMW or any manufacturer with experience, I drive a Japan made rear drive vehicle I’m first admit mine isn’t superior but some cars are better at what they do than others especially when German models have mastered handling dynamics in this department…
TP,
how do you reason that a GT would need 480kw’s to beat a 380kw camry because the GT loses that much due to this apparently inefficient drive line?
do you realise that a 245kw RWD XR6T beats a 241kw TRD supercharged Aurion?
the old RWD=inefficient line is getting a bit old mate when you have never shown any credible real life examples of your claims
also have you heard of the 1300RWHP XR6T?
and that is still de tuned to ensure longevity
Yeah what is that tinkling noise they make under throttle?
I find myself listening for it whenever I take off next to one.
I think I need help!
BMW are clever highlighting their use of RWD and using it as a differentiator in the same way Subaru has done with Asymetrical All Wheel Drive.
Golf lol still applies to Falcon, theyve had head gasket problems to!
Wheelnut please do stop trying to argue, your embarressing yourself, 110kw Impreza can beat a 200kw Aurion…riiiiiiiiiight…. as I said, its the typical story where your given it some and the other driver who knows he is above you, isnt trying, just laughing at how lame you are. As for weight, you have misinterpreated, the AWD once rolling provides nothing but added weight (AWDs weight more you know), thus taking away from rolling accleration… your little physics has lost me, from what I gather your trying to claim in theory that if two cars both have say 100kw but one is 5 tonnes and other is 1 tonne, same accleration once rolling… ummmm no. Even from a standstill in a 110kw its kinda useless, my 140kw Camry can be floored from standstill, 110kw is well within the limits of a FWD format.
BM quite a few modded Camrys, 3SGTE swaps…. 3VZFE turboes (its an engine renowned for its strong internals in stock form) and 1MZFE supercharged (TRD made a supercharer for it) and turboed. Personally I wouldnt do it, but these guys show the potential of Toyota engines… you say a supercharged 5.4L can make 715hp, thats 530kw which Im assuming is at the flywheel, once it gets to the wheels thats less, in the Camrys 380 Territory….3L V6 vs 5.4L V8!!!! Continue the ignorance though, a true idiot, makes a claim some 150kw Impreza is great and no Camrys have been modified, yet Ive shown you up for the complete idiot you are, if it isnt in a magazine you dont know about it (typical woman haha)
Ford is No1, you are below me, I wont glorify your comment with a response.
AndrewM no, I doubt you know much about mechanics but here is a lesson, most people with half a brain know, cars lose power from the flywheel to the wheels. The GTS when dynoed lost like 100kw. So that is the reasoning, the Camry is 380kw at the wheels, which means its like 480kw+ at the fly. But yes RWD is less efficent, a fact you cant get your small brain around, its been explained and explained and explained to you, when you have the engine spinning one way and the wheels spinning the other… you lose power at the diff when its converting force from one direction to another. As for TRD thing, well I was of hte belief the XR6T does the 100 in 6… same as the TRD, given it has more torque then yes this is an example of how the RWD is less efficient, where all that torque go. For that matter, where did all the Falcons torque go in wheels 60-100km/h test? Your question me, which Ive told you time and time again why, with support, tell me why a Falcon with only 10kw less BUT 50Nm more toque is beaten by 0.5 second from 60-100 (fyi, thats a huge margin, despite not sounding that big, its 2 car lengths gained on the Falcon in only 40km/h, suggesting the Falcons torque just disappeared into thing air… or more correctly, disappared into heat energy in the diff!!!!!!!!)
Any car can have head gasket problems TP. The Camry makes a habit of it.
The camry doesnt make it a habit of it…. neglect does. Headgaskets occur due to neglect, most of the time due to overheating.
Intellegence is only skin deep you show no sign of it on this site TP…your just below yourself….
No, you’re very wrong there, Paul. All the cars in our fleet were tonking along in the 45,000 km range when – and this was my experience – the first indication of trouble appears to be a knocking sound UNDERNEATH the car, as though a muffler heat shield came adrift. Five traffic stops later, with the temp gauge indicating all is normal, the car stops. Then it restarts with a puff of blue smoke. Buggered head gasket! On regularly serviced company cars.
The temp sender was mounted high on the block and can only measure coolant (no longer there, as it has disappeared through the ruptured radiator hose), not air.
So, not something you can call driver error. Other colleagues on an extended drive on the freeway may have had less warning than me. It’s a common fault, and is bankably the cause of dead Camrys parked on the side of the road with bonnets up and hazard lights flashing.
I’ve not had the experience on any other near new car.
You might find a list or a chart on it somewhere, as well as a reference to the crunching 3rd gear synchros, another common problem. That’ll be a nice little job for you, and one you’ll enjoy! :)
Oz, why the name change mate? FORD is No.1? Pretty obvious.
Sorry Jbot, Ford is No.1 not me
TP, as much as I enjoy and welcome differing opinions and considered debate, are you aware of how difficult it is to take you seriously?
“You can also think about how your going to have to take your Ford back to the dealer within 6months of purchase, as 55% of falcons and most of ther fords have engine problems in the first months after sale!”
I guess I’m one of the lucky 45% that has had 114,000 kms of trouble free driving. Most fords have engine trouble in the first months after sale? Where did you get this from?
“Ive been told re star rating that ANCAP require a payment to undertake side impact crash, which Holden and Toyota refused (not sure if this is actually the case, sounds logical though… also Golf makes a good point, head gasket… linked into the above stat). Eitherway Im assuming you have the previous model XR6T, which doesnt even have curtain airbags… the most important side impact airbag considering head trauma is the biggest issue in these typres of crashes.”
I agree re the importance of the curtain airbags – which makes the 4 star rating of both the aurion and VE disappointing regardless. I also believe you can’t rely solely on crash testing either but using your logic of stats and magazine opinions being gospel, the aurion is less safe than my Mondeo.
“Good for you being satisfied, everyone is different though, I wouldnt be satisfied with a Mondeo or any Ford.”
And therein lies your one-eyed problem. Have you even driven a Mondeo? I compared the now old model mazda 6, accord euro, liberty, mondeo and camry and bought what I considered the best available for my circumstances. Satisfied with the research and my selection. None of these cars was “bad” by any stretch of the imagination. I’m so happy I can make a decision with an open mind rather than relying on single minded views.
By the way, the current XR6T performance beats a TRD Aurion (as your friends at wheels pointed out in January) but to be fair they are not price rivals. You’d need to compare the TRD with the F6 and then, well, things don’t stack up so well with the TRD do they? Any sales figures for the TRD yet? Stop embarrassing yourself with these silly performance arguments regarding fleet vehicles and give your local Toyota dealer a call to make sure that:
1) The klugers ESP has been re-calibrated (The age in melbourne today also seemed dubious about its operation).
2) That TRD have given back the 300 rpm they stole from the top end of the supercharged aurion to rectify an over-rev condition.
3) That the 200 killer wasps RAV4 is back on sale after those “calibration” issues.
All these issues in only the last 6 odd months. Fact not fiction. Not great publicity for Toyota. Just trying to point out that all manufacturers have issues – even Toyota. Guess they can always count on you for their next sale regardless. I hope your Toyota purchase serves you well and I’m sure you’ll be satisfied with all that torque.
david, spill the beans! What stopped your old Camry in its tracks?
I did read somewhere, perhaps here, that VE and Aurion might have achieved 5 stars if the respective makers coughed up a spare car at their own expense for a pole test. They refused. It’s an odd response, and it would be interesting to see what an Omega would achieve now that curtain and side bags have just become standard.
jbot, If you still believe I’m the same person as “Ford is No.1″, contact Alborz. BTW, why would I change the screen name just for one blog if it was so obvious?
Well said David, TP would not comprehend this very well….
Sorry Golfshwein – was an electrical issue. Agree about the pole test decision but I would have thought a 5 star crash rating would have been worth it for both Toyota and Holden. Let’s see what Ford does with the FG.
cheers, david.
OZ….mate you cant argue with someone who claims to make $100,000 per annum wage first year out of uni? LOL
TP,
mate stop skirting around the question i ask you time and time again.
you can show me all the text books there are that state FWD is more efficient than RWD (and i know they are out there) but what im saying how come its not converted into real world terms when we compare a RWD falcon V a FWD aurion?
how come the bigger, less KW and apparently less efficient driven RWD Falcon can match the FWD aurion for fuel consumption and 0-100 times. they both run 7.4 0-100 and use 10L/100k.
how come this claimed more efficient FWD aurion doesnt runs rings on the apparent dog of a RWD setup?
also the XR6T runs 5.9secs and the TRD 6.1 secs to be precise.
so once again how come only 4kw more in the XR6T sees the less efficient RWD XR6T trump the TRD?
And more to the point the XR6T is not a dog to use as dont have hassles and dont need arms like a weightlifter as TRD is FWD!
Maybe the TRD needs wider tyres? Or TP a dose of true reality….oops that should be severe “overdose”!
Golf Im not quite wrong, 99.9% its neglect, its rarely a design fault… I believe in this case Toyoya used a certain gasket material which was crappy.
David…
1. Ok so 1 car doesnt have problems… the sample size, 1, from say 10,000 Falcons sold? Hmm that sounds very statistically reliable. Even with other Ford fairies here added on, thats 5 from 10,000, again is that statiscally reliable? Do you know how stupid your response here was?
2. The Klugers ESP is find as long as you dont go 100km/h… on a gravel road….around a tight bend. It isnt a rally car, I think even then some would come unstuck in this situation lol!
3. Over-rev condition? Making assumptions aye, Toyota reduces its revs as a precaution, they also suspended sales. Thats the difference, Toyota stop sales and fix the issue… Ford and Holden keep selling with a smile on their face and avoid fixing the issue.
4. Its Rav6… again refer to above, if there is an issue, Toyota fix it, this is a positive on Toyotas part.
5. Everyone would be satisfied with all its torque, from 60-100km/h, only 40km/h, the Aurion jumps two cars ahead of the Falcon its a great torquey engine. So much for torque… one thing having it at the fly, another thing getting it efficiently to the ground!
AndrewM maybe you have learning problems? Clearly it does translate into the real world, the Falcon has more alot more torque… only 10kw less… yet the Aurion is faster (6.9seconds to 100, you wont cop it cos your thick… but tests have compared both Falcon and Aurion and confirmed it). Then there is the 60-100km/h, another real world example, rolling start with all that torque down low, Falcon should smash the Aurion. YET the Aurion jumps TWO WHOLE CAR LENGTH AHEAD in only 40km/h (Dont think you understand how much of a smashing that is, in 3 seconds it gained that much length, a blink of the eye)
RE XR6T, same as I just said, 50Nm more torque… all things being equal that should equate to a smashing. But it doesnt, because a large chunk of that torque goes bye bye in the diff
TP a rolling start will favour power and torque higher in the rev range, what are you on about?
TP,
RE, XR6T,
mate but remember you use to preach the torque difference doesnt count for shyte.
OFFICIAL FIGURES PUT THEM AT THE SAME (7.4secs)
gee its not hard to see who the thick one is
even if you go to the toyota website they say 7.4secs
by your theory of 20% the XR6T would need 289.2kw to at least match the TRD but it has 4kw more and beats it
and a stock falcon would need 220kw and 404nm to at least match an aurion yet it matches it in current form
also no comment back on fuel efficiency?
how can this RWD bigger falcon be just as economical as the FWD Aurion?
Has anyone heard of the FWD Top Fueler drag car hahahahahhaha. yep it’s called a turbo charged battery powered ugly box named Prius all making sense now, thanks TP….
^^^^
yep mate i have,
isnt that the one they have to run in reverse as a wanna be RWD ha ha ha ha
Andrew.M…
1. No I havent said torque means nothing, Ive said weight doesnt help Falcon… followed by loss of power through RWD.
2. You say at one moment ‘talk about reality TP, not figures’… well just like you say that for RWD v FWD loss of power, where you are wrong, Im actually right RE Aurion being faster then official figures. Its been tested and tested indepedently, I will trust Drive over… Andrew.M, self confessed Ford fairy.
3. As for that last calc kinda shows you lack of knowledge. Power and torque are the same thing, by adding 20% on both power and torque you increased it by 40% LOL. It needs 20% overall, which is about right, the new Falcon should be able to match the Aurions acceleration.
Actually I dont know what you added, 10% to power and ??% to torque?
Just got back from my dads place – he’s just got his Aurion back from the service dept for the second time – first time it was to get the shoddy wrinkled look carpet laying fixed up, this time it was to replace the drivers side door sill/skirt (its a hunk of plastic on the Aurion..) which just dropped off and was lying on his garage floor one morning. Toyota build quality sure isn’t what it was.
I’d just filled up the Mondeo (A diesel – at least my post is relevant to the review!) and so rubbed it in by showing him the distance to empty figure of 1240km.
Hey TP, are you the same TP as the one over on the Mazda6 review who is sinking his stilettoes into the Mondeo XR5 because it doesn’t have LED lights are something? Hang on, I’ll just go get the quote…
Back again! Yep, here it is:
One [Mazda6] is an example of a complete package; nice shape, xenons, LEDs… the other [XR5] is a cost cutting package; No LEDS, no projectors let alone xenons, essentially, a gimmick of a car.
Since the Aurion doesn’t have LEDS or Zenons either, for consistency of your argument, does that make The Aurion a gimmick of a car too? You pride yourself on your logical thinking so if you could tell us what your final word on LEDS and zenons is then we will once again be able to bow down before your immense wisdom and logic.
One more thing – you haven’t pointed out yet that the 2litre TDCi diesel puts out more torque (340 with overboost) than your might 3.5litre V6 Aurion (336Nm). Using your ‘figures prove EVERYTHING!’ technique this must make it a much better car.
And it uses heaps LESS fuel – my dads best figure for a tank is 8.2litres/100km, mine is 5.8….
oh … nowww I get it TP, power and torque are the same thing. WTF???? You just don’t know what you are crapping about do you.
TP read my blogs again I have said that Ive made nehancements to improve power and performance which means that my Subie has more than the standard 110Kw.. as BM indicated its colser to a WRX – but without the turbo or the insurance premiums
But then again you’re known on this site for ignoring things that:
You dont understand or cant comprehend: you don’t think it could happen therefore it just couldn’t happen even if it could; does or in this case did happen
Contradict you often poorly founded arguements: particularly if they take away form what you are trying to bore everyone else shit-less with long after the rest of us have moved on
The famous AE-86 Corolla from the eightes which has the 4A-GE twin cam engine.That engine is a road going,mass produced version of the Ford cosworth DBA racing engine.
TP, you just don’t GEDDIT man!
There’s me saying I worked for a big company that supplied the automotive trade and that we knew what went wrong habitually with Camiras, Commodores and Camrys. You’re obviously happy to not swing in to defend the Commodores and Camiras, yet you deny vehemently that anything could possibly go wrong with your beloved Toyotas.
You don’t READ! Or if you do read, you believe only the things that you want to.
But wait, your now famous powers of reasoning come to the fore: “…99.9% its neglect, its rarely a design fault… I believe in this case Toyoya used a certain gasket material which was crappy.”
Hehe…pardon me? Oh, so it WAS a designor quality fault? Thank you! I can rest now that’s cleared up.
TP,
in the early days you DID pretty much just rubbish torque.
yep my calcs were wrong.
here it is again.
and a stock falcon would need 240kw and 404nm to at least match an aurion yet it matches it in current form with 190kw and 383nm.
i added your appaernt 20% rule to both.
and now you say the new RWD falcon with 195kw will now match the 200kw aurion?
gee mate one minute you say the RWD needs 20% more now you say it can do it with 5kw less?
and whats this with torque and power the same thing?
i dont think i need to say any more as it is obvious who is telling the “porkies”
also with a bit of accounting knowledge you claim you posses i thought you would know if you take 2 figures and add 20% to each (torque and power) and then add them together as you say (because they are the same apparently)
the overall has still only increased by 20%
golifie,
the bit i love too is how blown headgaskets on toyotas can only be caused by neglect yet if a head gasket blows on a ford its because the ford motor is shyte.
Quick lets get him to hospital and remove the Toyota blood as that is TP’s problem!
ANDREW M….agree last comment!!!!!!!!!!!
NM,
yep good thing TP is a nurse as there wont be any long waiting lists for him to get a quick blood flush.
i bet he knows people in the right places and just a little nod of the head to his nurse buddies will see him get preferential treatment
NM,
you dont think TP is Patel do you?
No…just swap it for the non-Toyota variety hey!
My security word for this post was Toyota!
Just wanted to say that.
LOL SO MUCH HA HA HA……………….gotta early day again.
TP, Just to remind you, these are the questions I asked which you have neglected to answer:
1)Most fords have engine trouble in the first months after sale? Where did you get this from?
2)Have you even driven a Mondeo?
3)Any sales figures for the TRD yet?
All I stated was that based on your figures of 55% of falcons having engine trouble, that I was one of the lucky 45%. No reference to sample sizes – that was your take on it. Totally agree that 1 sample from 10,000 is meaningless. Are you assuming the rest must have issues? That’s makes your twisted view the illogical one. Do you know how stupid your response here was? (sorry, stole that from you).
Regarding the kluger that tried to use its doors handles as wheels, here is another quote from Ged Bulmer at Wheels mag.
“It’s a piece of road I know well having driven perhaps 170-odd different vehicles through the same corner at similar speeds on various assignments over the years”
1 out of 170 cars he drove didn’t handle it. Granted, still subjective but doesn’t sound great does it?
As for the TRD engine issue, read this:
“However, after exhaustive testing, Toyota is still not saying exactly what caused the problem and when asked whether it was due to over revving the engine Buttner (marketing chief) was quick to suggest “potential” over revving by the driver thereby avoiding any allocation of blame.
“Naturally we want to eliminate that potential again so we have taken the decision to reduce the rev range.
“We looked at the potential for the vehicle to over-rev, the fuel cut out on this vehicle was set higher than on the naturally aspirated Aurion, and the rev limit has now been set back from 6800rpm to 6500rpm.”
See – I didn’t make anything up. Potential over rev. They engineered a cutout at 6800rpm, decided it was risky and couldn’t handle 6,800rpm and reduced it. Simple.
“Thats the difference, Toyota stop sales and fix the issue… Ford and Holden keep selling with a smile on their face and avoid fixing the issue.”
Like the F6 clutch problem? See, Ford love their customers too!
You may also want to check out Toyota’s website as I cut and paste this from it: RAV4 V6.
You said this: “Its Rav6″
You also said re the aurion: “Everyone would be satisfied with all its torque, from 60-100km/h, only 40km/h, the Aurion jumps two cars ahead of the Falcon its a great torquey engine.”
I’m not satisfied, that’s why my XR6T. At least Ford give you the option of increased performance without the need to fork out 55K.
You hate Ford. We get it.
And once again today, as I was driving along the Northern Rd doing 65 in an 80 zone behind a white (naturally) Aurion I realised that TP’s acceleration figures are all just paper values because I’ve never ever seen a real-life Aurion actually DO 100km/hr!
Hey David, don’t tell him that his ‘great torquey engine’ has 4Nm less torque than our TDCi Mondeos when we plant the right foot.
And he doesn’t have rain-sensing wipers, 7 airbags (if his dynamically-superior handling Aurion crashes into us his knees will be worse off than ours!) and he probably doesn’t even have that cute thing where his headlights stay on for a while after the car is turned off…
Hmmm – I think we’ve upset TP – he must be lying on his bed in his Toyota pyjamas staring at the yarris posters on his ceiling….
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) AND WHILE LYING IN BED HE KEEPS REPEATING TO HIMSELF POOR TOY-MOTA “OH WHAT A FAILURE”.
“OH WHAT A FAILURE”
BOO HOO “OH WHAT A FAILURE”
TP ARE YOU IN***E
Hey Groovers…..missed much? Apparently not.
TP Im seeing Wheelnut next week so Ill tell you how hard it goes……oh and the Subbie too.
I know babe Im naughty thats why you love me so much.
mmmmmmwwwwaaaaaa
Hi Monkey Boy and TP – to back up Monkey Boys claims i’ve just got back from London about 900km round trip. I was driving a Vauxhall Vectra 1.9 CDTI 113Kw model. Brand New only 740k’s on the clock. I got 550miles (880Km) on a tankful of diesel. The trip computer indicated 50.4mpg at the end of the journey, thats about 5.6litres/100k’s. With a new tight engine with the cruise control set at 130k’s on the motorways and driving through the suburbs of London in top start traffic.
If the engine had been broken in, and i’d driven at 100′ks we’d be talking low 5’s. Now try the same in you Aurion, yep you’d use almost double the amount of fuel. I passed a few Prius’s crawling at 100k’s struggling to get their 5’s/100 I was going 30% faster.
Eat your heart out dude, you know we’re right. see yah
TP Says: March 10th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Wheelnut your kidding yourself you think an Impreza CAN’T overtake an Aurion…
So you do agree with me TP?
Monkey boy, all Aurions have projector headlamps, the Pesara has xenons along with active headlamps which can move to look around corners… come back to me when you know what your talking about.
Bret are you 10? 11? Power and torque are linked, in fact the formula goes something like… power = (torque * RPM) / 5252.
Wheelnut I still dont believe you, the WRX gets to 100 in around 6 seconds primarily due to the fact it can be launched off the line, because its AWD will grip no matter how many revs you throw at it. On a rolling start it isnt as spritely, given you would have some 50kw and god knows how many Nms less, with a 200kg weight difference, the Aurion is going to win. As I said twice already, and I will repeat, these little ‘i beat another driver’ stories are ridiculous, Ive been told in the past that a 80’s Falcon can beat an Aurion… your claim is in the same class as that.
Golf Camrys are renowned for reliability, even with the material they used most people didnt have problems… in fact the 80s Camrys were the foundation stone for Toyotas reliabiity, along with the Corollla. You sound like an idiot in light of this, trying to claim the Gen2 Camry wasnt reliable.
Andrew.M you calcs are still wrong, remember torque and power are linked! Youve added in excess of 20% to power (20% would make it 228) and then added god knows what to torque to arrive at 404Nm??? To put it simply, forget torque and just say in terms of power, the Falcon needs 228kw… THAT IS CORRECT. Currently the Aurion is half a second quicker to 100, whether you like that or not, and even if you dont… its half a second quicker to 60-100km/h which you cannot debate given Wheels did it (even the 100 time shouldnt be debated, Drive did it!). So yes the Falcon needs a jump in power cos currently its got nothing on the Aurions straight line acceleration, due to loss in the drivetrain.
avid the stats are industry figures which suprise suprise Ford and Holden tried to supress… your claim was ridiciulous, many Daewoos and Kias dont have problems to, but a sample of 1 means nothing. As for Kluger you can keep having a go at it, but its currently a sales leader for its section and its won a Drive car of the year award. Going 100km/h around a gravel bend is rally car stuff, ESP isnt design for that… the other 170odd vehicles were lucky, its completely within the relms of possibiity that at that speed in such conditions one tiny mistake will make any car unstuck, and with the Kluger he maded that driver error which cost him. I will repeat, those are rally speeds, some rally car drivers would come unstuck after 170 attempts, let alone a reject wheels reviwer.
Typo for the Power AndrewM, it should be 238kw… and forget adding to torque as you did.
forget adding to torque? why?
dont you keep telling us that 20% of torque is lost through the drive line as well as power?
just keep changing it to suit yourself mate…
gee you are really some sort of numbers whiz if you think adding 20% to 200kw isnt 240kw ppfffffttt!!!!
did you not say the falcon needs 20% more than the aurion?
well 20% of 200 is 40. 200+40= surprise surprise
if you honestly think the falcon would need 240kw to equal the 200kw aurion you are living in a dream world. mate a 240kw falcon already exists and it is 1.5 secs quicker than your “rocket ship aurion”.
how do i get 404nm???
well simple………as you tell us all the falcon would need 20% more torque than an aurion
so since the aurion has 336nm it would be
336 x 20% = 67.2
336 + 67.2 = once again surprise surprise….round figures 404nm
I’d be seriously considering asking for a refund on your tertiary accounting education expenses if i were you. thats if you are one of the few that have actually paid for them rather than still having a debt to the government
TP: “Currently the Aurion is half a second quicker to 100, whether you like that or not”
Wheels times (0-100km/hr) for the two fastest base engines: Falcon XR6 7.4sec, Aurion Sportivo ZR6 7.4sec
Looks the same to me. Where did 0.5sec come from?
And in the 60-100km/hr test done by Wheels (March ‘08) Falcon 4.00sec, Aurion 3.64sec.
Thats 0.36sec difference. Again, where did 0.5sec come from???
Oh Dear. Oh dearodearodearoddearieme.
THUD! That’s my head hitting a brick wall, TP. I reiterate: You don’t read, you don’t believe, you have no logic skill. It explains why people rubbish you on here.
Here’s the deal: my 1992 Camry was a piece of rubbish from 45,000 kms onward. We’ll disregard the fact that some monkey in the factory didn’t know what colour interior trim garnish to apply to the left side A-pillar. Other colleagues had the same experiences with identical cars.
Other cars of…GOSH! DIFFERENT MAKES!!!…had known problems too! But that’s ok, cos they weren’t Toyotas, right?
End of story. I think we’re done here. May as well pop over to the fresh Toyota thread to see you make a fool of yourself there. Have fun! :)
I guess it really hurts after all these years that you never made the high school debating team.
No Andrew.M your double counting, for simplicity… just show it agaisnt torque… I saying this for your benefit, you cant get your head around the reason why it loses power, I want to keep it simple for your simple mind. The XR6T has the same power yes, but 100Nm more… so wake up when making that call. Fact is just using power as an example, to cut down a 0.5seconds gap it would need 40kw more.
Jbot all Wheels do is quote offical figures, its easier that way. Drive as Ive said, and you people are to thick to realise, did a far more accurate test:
drive.com.au/Editorial/MiniSite/MiniSiteArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=45850&MiniSiteID=6
As Ive also said it makes sense, the Aurion is 2 car lengths faster in 40km/h per wheels test. I doubt the Falcon gets that much of an advantage from 0-60km/h, clearly its slower.
Ok Golf another half brain moron, sample of 1… from hundreds of thousands sold!!! I dont expect you as a primary school student to get your head around simple statistics, but thats not a very good indication of the entire population. Now yes there were more cases, but I havent said Toyota is has 0 problems… but even if 99% of Camrys are great in reliability (which no manufactrer has or will ever achieved), from $1 million vehicles sold (far more Camrys were sold), that means 10,000 still have problems!!! As I said, once you get some education you will understand this, until then, pull your head in.
hahaha……you ok Golfschwein?
Im going to Whiteman Park Car Show tomorrow U going?
TP, the times I’ve quoted are those measured by Wheels themselves…
Hmmm Id say a satellite is abit better then a stopwatch! Your going to have to deal with the fact an Aurion is that fast, hell go watch the youtube videos, they support the Aurions acceleration.
Mate, even if you use the Drive times which you think are more accurate, the Aurion is still only 0.1sec faster for 0-100km/hr!
TP, I owe you an apology. No, really, I do, and here it is:
TP, I apologise that my real life experience with Camrys (and those of my colleagues) confound and conflict so profusely with your unshakeable faith in lists and surveys.
From now on, I am going to “Let You Believe It”. Never again shall I challenge you with my obviously false stories. If ever you see me write such things again, rest assured I am not parrying for a response from you, and the comments shall not be intended to offend you; I shall simply be informing other people.
There. Isn’t that lovely? If everyone on here had a little humility and gave ground from time to time, we’d all get along so much better! WOW! I feel great!
HI Bavarian Missile, how are you? I could well be along tomorrow arvo, having a think about it. When’s the Grand Pricks on? Today or tomorrow?
Still working on something to show the Aurion is 0.5sec faster hey TP? Even your preferred sources only have it at 0.1sec!
Jbot are you retarded? 6.9secs vs 7.3seconds is only 0.1seconds difference? Ummm back to primary school for you.
Good to see realise Golf, 1 or even more bad cases doesnt make a car crap. The stats tell the story, 55% of Falcons need to go back the dealership within 5 months! And your name, Golf, another example of poor reliability!
That’s exactly right TP! A bit of humility and a sense of irony go a long way.
drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=45916
Have another look TP before you say things like that. 6.9sec vs 7sec…
TP,
it is obvious that numbers isnt your strong point.
are you agreeing that 20% added to 200 is 240 yet?
so tell me this……
is torque lost through a drive line?
why can the XR6T out run the TRD with matches it on power and significantly closes the gap on torque figures.
you are a joke to your accounting forefathers.
perhaps you should have studied psychology. at least you may have been able to tell us what your F***ing problem is
TP – I suggest you read tis v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly:
I have made a number of modifications to my RS which have increased power as well as improved handling and performance.. My subie doesn’t have the 110Kw [standard] its closer to 150-160kw [WRX]
And just like the WRX my RS is also AWD which means no loss of power or traction as the power is sent to All 4 wheels All of the Time…. hence the Term ALL WHEEL DRIVE
Andrw.M yes 20% added is 240… but numbers obviously aernt your strong point, because when talking about a 20% LOSS… 20% off 240 is 192, not 200 to equal Aurion! 250kw is the figure that is correct, because 20% taken away from 250, representing power loss through drivetrain, is 200kw… equalling Aurion. It sounds about right, remember Im doing this for your simple mind (which isnt good at maths), split that into torque and its not that big of a jump. I will also add that 20% is just a arbitary figure, the point I make is that FWD loses LESS… it varies betwen cars, but I know that in general people say 20% loss.
Jbot you get the benefit of the doubt, but if you looked into that link I provided it has the Falcon at 7.3 seconds… those graphs I think have a typo.
Golfschwein: The Australian F1 GP is on tomorrow and I think is expected to start around 2-2:30pm VIC time
TP: Satellite is better to determine speeds and acceleration times etc..?
Well if thats the case why don;t Wheels/Motor use it instead of the On board Motec or Correvit Systems? or the Cops use it instead of linear radar technology?
possible reasons are due to time delay and paralex error.
which can lead to misjudging speed or distance covered etc and therefore incorrect or inconsistent figures
whereas telemetry coming straight form the car is more instantaneous and therefore more accurate
As I just highlighted AndrewM, the only joke is you… I can tell why you are on the dole from you small minded grasp of maths. What an embaressing comment AndrewM. Its simple algebra, 0.8x = 200… x = 200/0.8 = 250
Congrats Wheelnut but AWD means nothing but added weight and less power wheels once rolling, it only really helps from a launched start… as Ive already said. Aurion smashes a Impreza, 150kw…. cop it.
Wheelnut my understanding is Drive used them all, satellite was best… why cops dont use them? Well I can think of many reasons, most logical is the fact that the receiver has to be in the offending car!! Deeeeeeeeeerr. That comment is in the same domain as Andrew.Ms RE me being bad at maths
TP,
ha ha ha do you want to have another guess at 20% now mate?
first you say 238kw and now you say 250kw. at least im not confused about my reasoning. stop trying to dig your way out of it because the maths debate is about adding 20% to 200.
you have had 3 goes at it now and all of them are different
if you think a falcon needs 250kw to at least match the 200kw of the aurion you are seriously deluded
also regarding the satellite radars, do you remember the forgiving 10% rule with satellite radars? they aint that accurate mate.
but even if they were you better go and tell toyota they are fitting dodgy speedos to their vehicles as it would mean that someone with 100 on the dial would be doing closer to 110kmh
TP,
I’d rather be on the dole than wear a nurses uniform whilst changing bed pans like yourself
I was confused by your retardness Andrew.M, by doin 240kw I thought you were trying to get 20% to equal the Falcons power, which would require 238kw. So no, if it was more clear I would have straight away given an answer… I think I learnt how to work these kind of things out in Yr7. You didnt get that far?
As for satellite there are more accurate ones, they no doubt used it. Not sure on your last comment, but all manufcatrers underestimate on their speedos, I think Hondas are the only ones who have quite accurate… the rest are about 5% under.
Is that your best come back Andrew? Just say sorry now for attacking my in terms of maths, you just got pie all over your face.
TP,
you had 3 guesses and none of them equal 20% added to 200
even if you did missinterperit surely 228 and 238 wouldnt have factored in as an answer.
i actually get to see my maths efforts put to use within my business unlike yourself who just gets dealt numbers and is told to add them up. im sure you go home and they mean nothing to apart from a completed form.
as you are fresh out of uni im sure your job is to add up the shoe boxes of reciepts that clients bring into your boss to aid with their tax refund. (along with making the coffee of course)
you still havent told me how the XR6T with the same power as the TRD has the TRD .2 secs slower.
240-250kw to match the aurion………get real
excuses excuses mate
I can’t resist this…retardness? TP probably meant retardation – not a good word to stuff in the context of the discussion between you hehe.
Golfie,
leave him alone mate everyone knows thats what he meant ha ha ha ha
he misunderstood the discussion hence why he had poor language skills
you are obviously forgetting a thing called power to weight ratio which enables lighter cars with smaller capacity engines to match if not out perform their bigger heavier rivals.
And it also matters on how the car is being driven; the drivers their reaction times and how well in sync s/he is with the car
Hahaha yeah you have a business, with your maths skills it would go belly up in no time!!! You dont even know simply algebra, I was genuine when I said I had no idea what you were getting at, adding 20% to power and go knows how much to torque. Once I realised, it was quite clear you had no idea what you are doing… what you did a is a common mistake, thinking adding that percent will equal the final figure, but its also a sign you aernt great at maths! As for seeing your maths efforts put into practice, besides the fact your efforts must be prity piss poor in light of above, it shows you have no idea grasp of what accounting is. But I find it funny you say you do maths for your business, Id hate to be your accountant come tax time, must takes weeks to do your accounts given your lack of knowledge.
Yeah but it takes more power.energy to pull a 1600Kg FWD car off the line [then it would if the car was RWD.. and threfore would ltake slightly longer to get going
However; if the car was say AWD and 1250kg the power needed would be less not only because the load is split between all 4 wheels [and the car has a better weight distribution] but the power to weight ratio is better
Particularly when my RS makes more than the standard 110Kw
AWD offers you the best of Both RWD and FWD combined [if there are any with FWD]
ha ha ha ha ha
can someone who has a degree in special education please try and proof read what TP is trying to say as i cant decipher it from all of the poor grammer.
i dont think a sentence went by there where you didnt make a mistake.
we are talking about adding 20% to power. even you stated earlier that thats what was to be reflected.
dont deny you were also trying to add 20% to 200. the only thing is that you failed with that particular equation twice before you started looking at it the other way around
dig dig dig TP
TP,
as you said earlier, the falcon would apparently need 20% more which is 240kw.
twist twist twist, turn turn turn stop trying to weasel out of it
TP the reason why people go to accountants [at tax time]is because they are the “experts” and should know what we can/can’t claim etc which is why they charge such high hourly rates. The same applies to other professions such as Lawyers/Solicitors and Doctors
Yet its also works the other way. [You] your average accountant probably wouldn’t know the basic fundamentals of the construction of a house or [in your case] how a car works which is why they go to Builders or Mechanics for advice
Just because a Tradie mightn’t have a piece of paper from a university on their wall doesn’t mean that they are any less important or as intelligent as you.
I mean if it wasn’t for the tens of thousands of trades-people in this country there would probably be less accountants [which come to think of it isnt such a bad thing!!] as there would be less demand for their services
TP does your name stand for Toyota propaganda
Andrew.M your digging a deeper whole for yourself, you know what the 20% loss of power relates to… you added 20%, you tried to have a go at me when I said something was up with your calc, you’ve been made to look like a complete fool!
Wheelnut yes I havent said anything about tradespeople, I find it funny though that everyone on this site claims to own their own business, yet has time to go on the net for extended periods of time.
As for that first post I have no idea what your getting at, Andrew.M claims to be some maths whiz, he couldnt even use basic algebra.
Surely u are not at the Abbacas constantly TP.
u are good value TP!!!
u SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TRADIE AND U COULD ENJOY THE GOOD LIFE TOO. HA HA HA
Its abacus. But I guess that’s why your a tradie. Joking :)
If you run your own business and have either:
streamlined its operations in terms of infrastructure [admin] etc as well as a suitable computer system
hired qualified experienced knowledgeable people;
and its well established – that is has a good reputation with a steady clientele..
then it should be able to operate well enough on its own and allow you [the owner]to have more spare time.
Afterall one of the reasons people decide to set up their own business is so they can pick and choose the hours they work
Jbot, quotes like this from TP lead me to believe that he doesnt have a tertiary education
“digging a deeper “whole” for yourself”
also did you read the last post? every sentence had some sort of spelling error ha ha ha ha
TP,
its ok mate. its normal to become defensive when you are shown up in your profession.
just take a scroll back up to where you said the falcon would need 20% more than the aurion…..yep 40kw more
Too funny to truly reply as like that movie with Jim Carrey……….ummmm what was it called. Yeah thats right ‘Dumb and Dumber’!
Haha Andrew.M still go nothing? You havent answered my question, did you got to highschool? You cant even do simply algebra, I have my doubts you have high school education let alone anything beyond that. Its been a good day I must say, showing you up, one of the highlights of my time here (along with that time I produced a quote you claimed not to have made).
Lets recap, according to AndrewM, due to a 20% loss of power requires through drivetrain, for a Falcon to equal a Aurion which has 200kw, it would need to have 240kw… despite 20% from 240 being 192? Id like to see your explanation for this. Simply, like a primary school student, you added 20% to 200kw… a schoolboy error. Now fess up, be a man for once, and admit you make a blunder.
TP we have asked far more questions which you have left unanswered…So why do you expect us to answer yours.. then get annoyed when we do the same? – Quid Pro Quo
just keep skirting around TP as you know too well that the maths equation was 20%of 200.
you clearly said that the falcon would need 40kw more than the aurion. THAT IS 20% MORE THAN 200 ISNT IT?????
once again you show simple little schoolboy errors in each and every sentence you post. i cant believe that someone so hung up on further education cant even put forward a post that is easily read without trying to interperit the constant spelling mishaps you display
and where is this quote i claim not to have made?
No I didnt clearly say that Andrew.M…. youve been caught out accept it! You first one to bring this up was you, quote:
“by your theory of 20% the XR6T would need 289.2kw to at least match the TRD but it has 4kw more and beats it
and a s