i still wont buy it……new subaru tribeca is the best now with the new shape
Pajero owners and Tribeca owners are a completely different breed and both cars are aimed at completely different markets.
As for how long will it hold together, well ask anyone over the past 10-15 years who have bought a pajero and they will tell you that they will hold together for a bloody long time! My pathfinder does the groans and the rattles off road too, its not as if its unusual for off-roaders to do this
Richo, go and ask any Toyota owner how their Cruisers, or Prados are built.
Mitsu has to step up its game if it wants to play in this league.
So I gather that if I asked you should I buy a V6 Diesel Touareg rather than a diesel or petrol Pajero, you would sway in favour of the Touareg, even though it’s a little dearer than the diesel Exceed
Having lived with and loved my V6 petrol Jackaroo for 10 years, I would not again buy any car or 4wd that does not have heaps of low down grunt. 10 years ago, petrol was cheap and the best diesels (other than the new Jackaroo)
were making 80kw and 270nm, so the obvious choice was a V6 petrol. Now, that’s all changed, except some vehicles still come with a half-hearted attempt at a civilised oil burner (read Pajero, and the new Cruiser engines are pretty lame as well)
I owned an 80 Series GXL with the 4.5 twin cam I6 and it was a tank.
Had 100klms on it when I got rid of it. It was a manual and u should have heard the thumps and bangs in that thing thru the gears. Was like driving a B double!
would rather a tribeca or kluger grande
The characters on the dials are not a good contrasting colour. Good to see Mitsu still hasn’t fixed their “quality” issues.
Shame, but you can’t help but blame them for their own demise. Built a better car, if you can’t, don’t. Build something else.
its funny how specialist 4WD magazines in australia, 4WD action and 4X4 Australia both say the pajero is the best mid size 4wd you can buy, better then prado and better then pathfinder. They test the cars pretty hard and have not found the same “quality issues” and having ridden in an 06 pajero while offroad i can’t say i noticed any “quality issues” either, infact i found it MUCH better then my 06 pathfinder… but anyway what would i know, i’ve just driven them.. you internet warriors are just taking the word of other people
Mitsubishi’s own demise steve? other then the 380 mitsubishi have only been going up, yeah they have shut up their manufacturing plant in australia, but as an importer they are the fastest growing importer in australia, with their growth FAR ahead of market growth. Some people need to learn a thing or two about perspective!
if you compare the pajero to it’s competition, the prado is over rated and as a current model pathfinder owner i am quite happy to say that the pathfinder is a complete heap of shit and i wish i never bought it
The latest Turbo Diesel, 3.0L, common rail, direct injection engine in the Toyota Prado is far from lame. It has a slick 5-speed box, too. It has massive amounts of low-rpm torque, and the smooth-shifting gearbox keeps it on the boil.
It is a solid, well-built car and goes really well for a 4WD.
That’s how it should be.
I can’t say I noticed the usual horrible diesel clatter in the Prado. Perhaps at very high revs you can hear the diesel, but you gotta expect that.
Just a old chunky clunky 4WD. People who buy these could have spent their money much smarter elsewhere. It is now only the uneducated school mums piloting these as the smarter ones are in Prados, X5′s, Q7′s and the like.
Dated ’90′s interior and those instrument graphics ? – whatever happened to designing things like that so you can actually READ them ? So many different styles of buttons and then there is no sign of a proper knob to adjust the stereo volume.
There is probably much more open to criticism but I have lost interest already…
Iamthestig – the prado is very much in the same league as the pajero, as for the X5′s and Q7′s, mate not everyone is made of money for a start, and secondly some people actually buy 4WD’s to take offroad! Seriously if you buy a “luxury 4WD” with no intention of ever even going on the sand then your a twat, you should have bought a sedan
The Pajero suffers from a loud, rough diesel, that would really benefit from a major upgrade, to bring it into line with the new generation we see from Volkswagen, Peugeot, BMW and others.
Well said Car Advice. The diesel engine is the deal breaker for me, and the petrol engine is too much of a guzzler for me. As for waiting for Mitsubishi (or Toyota with the Prado for that matter) to follow the Euro’s or Jeep with V6 diesels, I am not holding my breath.
One final point with regards the Pajero Exceed, 68K and no hard spare wheel cover but an exposed spare wheel. You are kidding Mitsubishi.
It costs the same as a brand new 200 series V8 petrol Cruiser.
I’d say fuel economy wouldn’t be far off either, so if I was in the market for a thirsty petrol 4wd, I know what I’d choose…definitely not the Pajero!
\”Iamthestig – the prado is very much in the same league as the pajero, as for the X5’s and Q7’s, mate not everyone is made of money for a start, and secondly some people actually buy 4WD’s to take offroad! Seriously if you buy a “luxury 4WD” with no intention of ever even going on the sand then your a twat, you should have bought a sedan\”
Richo – if you are directing this at me you are sadly mistaken. You can pick up a used X5 for well under $50k and status conscious school mums would rather be in one of those than a Pajero. As a investment they are better off anyway !
Me, I have ordered a new XC70 which is Pajero money and more suited for my needs…
Tom, the latest Prado is much quieter than the Mitsubishi 3.2l, but it is hardly earth shattering in its output – 125kw and 410nm. That would have been good 10 years ago, but VW makes 125kw and 350nm from 2.0 litres. From 3.0l, VW is making FAR more, try 175kw and 550nm. Toyota can only squeeze 195kw and 650nm out of a 4.5l V8, pretty poor effort there.
Anyone contemplating the base model 200 series at 70,000 for the V8 petrol is asking for a massive fuel bill, and a massive depreciation – in a few years no-one in their right mind will be buying used petrol V8 cruisers, unless the lazy V8 diesel proves to be a shocker for some reason.
Maybe the saving grace of the Pajero petrol is its ability to run on LPG, and you can hide a tank in the rear cavity, without having to have dog balls hanging underneath the back.
Iamthestig, if you aren’t going to go offroad, then why buy a 4WD? its just flat out stupidity that you would buy a vehicle that is inherintly dynamically flawed if you aren’t going to take advantage of the REASON it is inherently flawed, ie its offroad ability. Ofcourse with an XC70 thats even more flawed because not only does it have the dynamic disadvantage but without the offroad ability, can’t even take it on the beach without risking damaging it. And don’t say you need a car like that for space and practicality either, because no well meaning parent would put a child in the 3rd row of seating and if you are after the space of a wagon, you’d be much better off with an audi A6 wagon, or indeed a volvo wagon!
Reckless1, you seem to be missing the point with outputs of the Prado.
Sure on face value 410Nm looks a little “low” from 3.0L but peak torque is achieved at only 1600 rpm. Exactly what you want when crawling off road in Low Range. The 2.0 VW that you seem to set as the benchmark for diesels doesnt come within 50Nm of this, let alone at 1600rpm.
Even the Touareg peak torque figures are all achieved at around 2250-2500 rpm. But I suppose thats more suited to a car that is somewhat more on-road baised.
Aaah Reckless. I’ve been watching the comments above, whilst I agree with you over the crappy Mitsu diesel be carefull quoting outputs from the Euro engines. Its common for the off roaders/SUV’s to have a different tuning spec than the road cars. I believe LR detune the 2.7 diesel for the Discovery.
Yep the Mitsubishi diesel is by all account awfull, there is no excuse for mitsu ploughing on with old technology. I’m guessing they still use indirect injection rather than common rail. A common rail uses piezo injection with multiple nozzles which spray fuel over a longer period of injection to soften the compression explosion and reduce the diesel knock noise. The latest VW’s from late 2007 onwards are using common rail now, I believe purely to reduce ommisions in order to meet Euro 2005.
Like Karl says if you can handle the cost of fuel then buy the petrol for now.
“Iamthestig, if you aren’t going to go offroad, then why buy a 4WD? its just flat out stupidity that you would buy a vehicle that is inherintly dynamically flawed if you aren’t going to take advantage of the REASON it is inherently flawed, ie its offroad ability. Ofcourse with an XC70 thats even more flawed because not only does it have the dynamic disadvantage but without the offroad ability, can’t even take it on the beach without risking damaging it. And don’t say you need a car like that for space and practicality either, because no well meaning parent would put a child in the 3rd row of seating and if you are after the space of a wagon, you’d be much better off with an audi A6 wagon, or indeed a volvo wagon!”
Um, Richo, do you know what a XC70 even is ? (it isn’t a XC90)
It is the Volvo version of a Holden Adventra (that you can get with a good diesel). It doesn’t have three rows of seats at all ? Do your research…
I do a lot of driving on road but do some gravel, bush tracks and to farms. I would be happy with a car with some AWD capability and a button to get a extra 150mm ground clearance when I want but you can’t get that…
I agree with you Stiggy..sounds like you have the perfect sensible car. Besides that 4WD has better road holding.
I’m looking round for either the xc70 or an Allroad. Loads of space, 4wd for towing the boat up slippery ramps and slightly more ecomonical than a full blown 4wd. Makes sense alround, why have a big 4wd if you don’t go off road into heavily rutted paths.
Stig, i appologise for my mistake, however why are we even talking about a high riding station wagon in a discussion about real 4WD’s? just makes no sense at all
no name, exactly my point mate, why buy a 4WD or even an SUV if you aren’t ever going to use it! just madness
From the way you incorrectly reacted to my comments, I was forced to explain myself…
I would love a AllRoad (more than a XC70 !) but the price is just way above what I would like to pay. My cousin just bought a V8 Q7 and it is loaded with options, all for a lot less than a AllRoad.
Ah theres the rub Stiggy. I’m looking second hand. The residual values of cars here (UK) is less than Australia. The Q7 is too new and in demand to be cheap enough for me. A 5yr old Allroad/XC70 is about $30K here.
Yes, SH is different but here a new AllRoad starts at $106k but the XC70 starts at under $60k…
# Iamthestig Says:
February 18th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Just a old chunky clunky 4WD. People who buy these could have spent their money much smarter elsewhere. It is now only the uneducated school mums piloting these as the smarter ones are in Prados, X5’s, Q7’s and the like.
Iamthestig I guess you must be one of those uneducated school mums that would group a Prado with soft-roaders such as the X5 and the q7!!
“Dated ’90’s interior and those instrument graphics ? – whatever happened to designing things like that so you can actually READ them ?”
Are you somehow mentally or Physically challenged?? Or bit of Both??
” So many different styles of buttons and then there is no sign of a proper knob to adjust the stereo volume.”
You know Most 4wd are made to be practical, not tard proof!!
No idea what you are on…
1. I was simply saying that the schoolrun mothers car of choice is not a Pajero, they now prefer others – that is all !
2. Surely you don’t think the interior is good looking and those instruments are actually easy to read ?
3. And your point is…???
Whilst I will never defend the Pajero’s diesel engine, I will defend its dashboard. It is light years ahead of the Prado. In fact Robert Pepper in Overlander magazine January 2006 said the Prado dashboard reminded him of a 1985 Corolla. I concur.
I am on the verge of buying either 3.0L Pajero or 3.0L Paradot. All available models are petrol. I need 4WD but don’t know which one to buy.
Any one who can give advise..
I was going to buy one but it seem you guys are pretty much against. Pricing was what attracted me but I guess I will have to wait and save a little more to buy something else.
With having first hand knowledge of trading my Pajero in on a V6 Diesel Touareg I can confirm that that Mits has heaps of work to do to come close to the VW donk. And I mean heaps and That goes for build quality and style aswell. So if the few degrees approach & ramp over angle advantage is all you are looking at then the Paj is it…………What the?
have u eva noticd the way pajero diesels are always unusually smoking unlike prados and landcruiser vx. i have a frend who had to change his pajero engine evry 2 years. the car to buy here is da 200series landcruiser. forget the pajero
I have test driven several diesel Pajeros over the last ten years or so and have always been put off by the amount of engine noise that enters the cabin; my Dad has tractors that are quieter! I have never really considered a petrol because of the perception that diesels are cheaper to run but when you (or you have your accountant) crunch the numbers, they are much of a muchness. Personally, I would prefer to buy a bit more petrol and in return have a quieter, smoother and more responsive drive.
All that said, the diesel that Toyota put in the Prado is pretty good as far as noise goes, inside the cabin I was hard pressed to tell it apart from the petrol…