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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9952/sportwagon-tackles-bathurst-12-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-115844</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly we need some more articles on the site if we&#039;re going back to last years stuff,geez some posts are already like ground hog day! Fark!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saying that though Phill it will probably be the same winner as last year anyway .....hahahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly we need some more articles on the site if we&#8217;re going back to last years stuff,geez some posts are already like ground hog day! Fark!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>Saying that though Phill it will probably be the same winner as last year anyway &#8230;..hahahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check it http://www.bathurstmotorfestival.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=9855</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check it <a href="http://www.bathurstmotorfestival.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=9855" rel="nofollow">http://www.bathurstmotorfestiv.....ws_id=9855</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 09 12hr will feature an R8 clubsport wagon as well as a few VE HSV sedans,only one GT though and more lancers than a medieval cavalry charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 09 12hr will feature an R8 clubsport wagon as well as a few VE HSV sedans,only one GT though and more lancers than a medieval cavalry charge.</p>
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		<title>By: ABITER</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABITER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the wagon was put in to the race to show its progressiveness and ... well, awesomeness. lol it tops the sedan ve in handling and is a match against performance. it worked not as well as tehy wanted it to but hey, its a friigin wagon, think twice all u ppl who bag it, all you soccer mums wont be bloody volvo drivers anymore. u will be stompin the right pedal down to hear that v8 rumble. 
i have a ve ssv sedan and it is bloody awesome, i cant ait til i get my VE Maloo 6.2L on order .!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the wagon was put in to the race to show its progressiveness and &#8230; well, awesomeness. lol it tops the sedan ve in handling and is a match against performance. it worked not as well as tehy wanted it to but hey, its a friigin wagon, think twice all u ppl who bag it, all you soccer mums wont be bloody volvo drivers anymore. u will be stompin the right pedal down to hear that v8 rumble.<br />
i have a ve ssv sedan and it is bloody awesome, i cant ait til i get my VE Maloo 6.2L on order .!</p>
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		<title>By: mistertwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistertwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Reckless, Volvo ran some 850 T5 wagons in the British Touring cars in the early 90&#039;s.  However these cars were sedans with some extra bodywork to make them look like wagons, a publicity stunt as the wagon was just released.  They went to sedans the next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Reckless, Volvo ran some 850 T5 wagons in the British Touring cars in the early 90&#8217;s.  However these cars were sedans with some extra bodywork to make them look like wagons, a publicity stunt as the wagon was just released.  They went to sedans the next year.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9952/sportwagon-tackles-bathurst-12-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-52028</link>
		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this one have the recall for the fuel pipework sorted before it goes on the track. Ha Ha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this one have the recall for the fuel pipework sorted before it goes on the track. Ha Ha</p>
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		<title>By: 12hriwillbethere08</title>
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		<dc:creator>12hriwillbethere08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try hard wannabees,does anybody know what they are talking about,this is about the 12 hour PRODUCTION CAR RACE why wouldnt any manufacturer show case thier latest release/s ,enjoy real racing with cars you can buy,shove your supercars,group a,and 92 nissan win ,who cares,go the wagon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try hard wannabees,does anybody know what they are talking about,this is about the 12 hour PRODUCTION CAR RACE why wouldnt any manufacturer show case thier latest release/s ,enjoy real racing with cars you can buy,shove your supercars,group a,and 92 nissan win ,who cares,go the wagon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut,
thats what i was saying about the &#039;92 nissan win but when i re-read what i said about it i obviously left a couple of words out ha ha ha ha
the winner would have been Dick Johnson had they not pulled that flag too early.

but its alright JR sorted out the booing fans with a history making podium speech. but as i said even Jim Richards didnt think he had won it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut,<br />
thats what i was saying about the &#8216;92 nissan win but when i re-read what i said about it i obviously left a couple of words out ha ha ha ha<br />
the winner would have been Dick Johnson had they not pulled that flag too early.</p>
<p>but its alright JR sorted out the booing fans with a history making podium speech. but as i said even Jim Richards didnt think he had won it</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 12hr is great racing,different manufactors,v8s,turbo,twinturbo straight six,AWD turbo,sedans,coups even stationwagons.(not being sarcastic)Watched the Highlights from 07 thay had in car camera in a wrx sti whitch was behind the Typoon on pit straight pulling away.The sti closeing under brakes then watching the typoon pull away up the hill. dont know what happend after that thay didn&quot;t show but you would think the sti would be climing allover the back of the typoon.Great racing.I hope it will grow.But also v8 supercars should the top car racing series in OZ.But its just on some tracks it becomes a pit stop race.Go the GT in the 12hr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 12hr is great racing,different manufactors,v8s,turbo,twinturbo straight six,AWD turbo,sedans,coups even stationwagons.(not being sarcastic)Watched the Highlights from 07 thay had in car camera in a wrx sti whitch was behind the Typoon on pit straight pulling away.The sti closeing under brakes then watching the typoon pull away up the hill. dont know what happend after that thay didn&#8221;t show but you would think the sti would be climing allover the back of the typoon.Great racing.I hope it will grow.But also v8 supercars should the top car racing series in OZ.But its just on some tracks it becomes a pit stop race.Go the GT in the 12hr</p>
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		<title>By: Oz.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 05:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean so he can have fun there at a Toyota only series, so he wont continue being stupid in othere areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean so he can have fun there at a Toyota only series, so he wont continue being stupid in othere areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9952/sportwagon-tackles-bathurst-12-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-51967</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote [Oz]: &quot;I hope a Camry Cup comes out so we don’t need to have little Paul dancing around us anymore.&quot;

Yeah but then the drivers in that category will be &quot;sheltered&quot; as it will just be open to [Beige] Camrys and no one else.. no Epicas etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote [Oz]: &#8220;I hope a Camry Cup comes out so we don’t need to have little Paul dancing around us anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah but then the drivers in that category will be &#8220;sheltered&#8221; as it will just be open to [Beige] Camrys and no one else.. no Epicas etc</p>
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		<title>By: Oz.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope a Camry cup comes out so we don&#039;t need to have little Paul dancing around us anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope a Camry cup comes out so we don&#8217;t need to have little Paul dancing around us anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9952/sportwagon-tackles-bathurst-12-hour/comment-page-1/#comment-51954</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP - The fact that you&#039;re talking about V8 supercars proves that the &quot;publicity stunt&quot; is working.. I mean if you didn&#039;t like it as much as you appear make out. you would try to avoid talking about it.. wouldn&#039;t you?

However; whilst were on the subject I suggest you try to obtain a copy of the V8 Supercars Rules/Guidlelines.. which outlines the criteria the teams must meet inorder to be elligible to compete.. [all forms of motorsport have them] 

Then you will see that the V8s are by no means sheltered - it&#039;s just that Ford and Holden build cars which meet the requirements.

Going by your arguement F1 is also shelterd because Holden aren;t allowed to race - why thety don&#039;t build a car which meets the criteria which is essentially an F1 car must be a computer controlled rocket with 4 wheels; sounds like a swarm of bees and has a highly paid jockey along dfor the ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP &#8211; The fact that you&#8217;re talking about V8 supercars proves that the &#8220;publicity stunt&#8221; is working.. I mean if you didn&#8217;t like it as much as you appear make out. you would try to avoid talking about it.. wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>However; whilst were on the subject I suggest you try to obtain a copy of the V8 Supercars Rules/Guidlelines.. which outlines the criteria the teams must meet inorder to be elligible to compete.. [all forms of motorsport have them] </p>
<p>Then you will see that the V8s are by no means sheltered &#8211; it&#8217;s just that Ford and Holden build cars which meet the requirements.</p>
<p>Going by your arguement F1 is also shelterd because Holden aren;t allowed to race &#8211; why thety don&#8217;t build a car which meets the criteria which is essentially an F1 car must be a computer controlled rocket with 4 wheels; sounds like a swarm of bees and has a highly paid jockey along dfor the ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youre right Andrew.. Tom Phillips who at the time was CEO at Tonsley Park did show interest in joining the V8s However Tokyo didn&#039;t think it would improve their image in Oz..

Which is funy because they hired Phillips inorder to try and turn Mitsubishi around as he was the one who helped turn Toyota around a couple of years before.. He had a number of ideas including a RWD Sedan but Tokyo just kept saying No No No</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre right Andrew.. Tom Phillips who at the time was CEO at Tonsley Park did show interest in joining the V8s However Tokyo didn&#8217;t think it would improve their image in Oz..</p>
<p>Which is funy because they hired Phillips inorder to try and turn Mitsubishi around as he was the one who helped turn Toyota around a couple of years before.. He had a number of ideas including a RWD Sedan but Tokyo just kept saying No No No</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 02:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason the majority of the crowd Booed Gentleman Jim in 92 is not because the Nissan won but more likely that they didn&#039;t understand that when the Red Flag is displayed that thet go back to the previous completed lap at which point the GT-R was winning

Which is understandable because there are a few in race control that don&#039;t have a complete understanding of the rules either.. Luckily though; one of them.. Colin Bond has since left.

Though some flaggies and fans believe the decision to Red Flag the race was a &quot;premature ajudication&quot; because less than 10 minutes later the rain stopped - typical Bathurst</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the majority of the crowd Booed Gentleman Jim in 92 is not because the Nissan won but more likely that they didn&#8217;t understand that when the Red Flag is displayed that thet go back to the previous completed lap at which point the GT-R was winning</p>
<p>Which is understandable because there are a few in race control that don&#8217;t have a complete understanding of the rules either.. Luckily though; one of them.. Colin Bond has since left.</p>
<p>Though some flaggies and fans believe the decision to Red Flag the race was a &#8220;premature ajudication&#8221; because less than 10 minutes later the rain stopped &#8211; typical Bathurst</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wheelnut is right,
the series would have died if it did not take the route that it did.

to the people that dont like the 2 make series dont forget there are still plenty of series out there that do offer a variety of makes for your viewing. the funny thing is they have not enjoyed anywhere near the success that the V8 supercar formula has enjoyed.
doesnt that spell out something?????

most of the people the winning Nissan many years ago were p-i-s-s-e-d off that it was declared a winner even though it was crashed on the side of the track. even JR was surprised he was declared the winner

wheelnut,
actually i thought Mitsu actually showed interest in the V8&#039;s. i still have magazines with an impression of a magna V8 on the cover. the only thing is Mitsu went through their financial down fall and and wouldnt have had the funds to run in the series.

TP,
are the porsche carreras sheltered too because that is only a one make series? grow up!!!
you obviously dont know anything about motorsport. go watch the performance car series (if you knew it exsisted).
there you would see the HSV&#039;s in stock hold their own against the imports. the only ones that can keep with them is the EVO&#039;s and thats only due to the corners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wheelnut is right,<br />
the series would have died if it did not take the route that it did.</p>
<p>to the people that dont like the 2 make series dont forget there are still plenty of series out there that do offer a variety of makes for your viewing. the funny thing is they have not enjoyed anywhere near the success that the V8 supercar formula has enjoyed.<br />
doesnt that spell out something?????</p>
<p>most of the people the winning Nissan many years ago were p-i-s-s-e-d off that it was declared a winner even though it was crashed on the side of the track. even JR was surprised he was declared the winner</p>
<p>wheelnut,<br />
actually i thought Mitsu actually showed interest in the V8&#8217;s. i still have magazines with an impression of a magna V8 on the cover. the only thing is Mitsu went through their financial down fall and and wouldnt have had the funds to run in the series.</p>
<p>TP,<br />
are the porsche carreras sheltered too because that is only a one make series? grow up!!!<br />
you obviously dont know anything about motorsport. go watch the performance car series (if you knew it exsisted).<br />
there you would see the HSV&#8217;s in stock hold their own against the imports. the only ones that can keep with them is the EVO&#8217;s and thats only due to the corners.</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see the 12 hour on the telly this year, or parts of it.

For me, the golden years of Bathurst were the late seventies, when there was great variety in the field and the cars were more closely related to production cars than today&#039;s V8s.

This wagon would be good to see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see the 12 hour on the telly this year, or parts of it.</p>
<p>For me, the golden years of Bathurst were the late seventies, when there was great variety in the field and the cars were more closely related to production cars than today&#8217;s V8s.</p>
<p>This wagon would be good to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with wheelnut but v8supercers is almost like Porsche cup now there nearly the same race cars (HOLDEN &amp; FORD)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with wheelnut but v8supercers is almost like Porsche cup now there nearly the same race cars (HOLDEN &amp; FORD)</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V8 Supercar Wagons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris the 12 hour is a production car race with the only real modification being a 8-12 point roll cage depending upon the size and type of vehicle.</description>
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