…Hahaha :)

i wouldnt pay 20K for a car let alone 200k if it didnt feel “soulfull” or spirited to drive.
bottom line is no amount of surveys or string of car awards will ever push me to a certain vehicle. the car has to feel right to ME and above all be enjoyable to drive.

with the “Luxo”, for me its definately BMW (if you exclude Aston etc) purely because of styling. BMW bodylines are unbeatable amongst its competitors.

also those rubbing in the recent award winnings of toyota here in OZ are forgetting one thing………
ford didnt compete the last 2 years.

the last time ford, holden, and toyota released new models at pretty much exactlly the same time was in ‘02.

do we all remember how long after ‘02 ford was still winning awards for their efforts? was it 4 yrs after?

the recent awards have only really seen toyota and holden directly compete.
oh i tell a lie…….ford released the mondeo, and that got amongst the awards. but i suppose when we talk in terms of aussie stuff it wasnt.

I to respect BMW by all means and love thier engineering and external styling but for some reason the internal ambiance of a BMW has never done it for me. For instance, i love to stand and look at a BM but once i climb inside the dash designs and somewhat just don’t do it for me hence give that FEEL. A particular car i do like and that is the IS250 and also wish Lexus brought the 350 to our market. Carn’t for the IS-F and LF-A.

Not all cars for all people.

Firstly, I really like both Lexus and BMW cars.

I think you can certainly LIKE Lexus, but you can LOVE BMW. There is passion there – it has so much heritage, and true racing pedigree. Hence the Lexus, for all its quality, durability and reliability superiority might just leave you a bit… cold.

I hope, the IS-F is a car you can be passionate about. All credit and kudos to Lexus; like wheelnut said, in the past they’ve taken German tech and tried to micro-engineer it to perfection, and the JD Power satisfaction studies show that that has worked to a big extent.

I’ve sat in the back of the new LS 600h, and it is truly spectacular, a shiatsu massage function, ottoman seats and so on. Lexus may be the standard for panel gaps, but I think the Europeans still hold the styling advantage, as it seems only Europeans can.

Lexus is brilliant. And of course it’s all down to personal preference. But for us enthusiasts out there, isn’t it all about how a car makes you FEEL? If it doesn’t feel special, make YOU feel special, then it’s not worth your hard-earned. At the least, you expect to pay less for it than something that DOES make you feel good when driving it – is this why Lexus cars (in the Australian market at least) have always been just that bit cheaper than the Germans?
Let’s see if in the future the Japanese can prove that theory wrong.

Cheers

Marshall

Me…..I feel the soul of my M3 as soon as I turn the key……….instant smile on the dial…….unless you have experienced it you wouldn’t understand!You truly can feel the car beneath you……..better than s e x……..well depends with whom………hehehehe

Anyone had either or both ??????????

If you have had an M3………..there is no going back!

Arrogant maybe…….but if your in the West………contact me and experience the best! Disappointment wont be felt…………

i know cars don’t have souls but the German cars are a lot closer to having soul and passion than the Toyota Lexus!!

They’re two different cars in different categories becausse they have different characteristics which effect their perfomance.

Why I like the New Rex………

And the more fakes or replicas there are the lesser the value of the originals is

Which is another reason why “you can’t beat the original”

Which is why I love the older classic cars – Chargers Monaros and Cobras etc

i drive an evo ix. will shite all over dem shitcans (bmw-merc-lexus-etc).

my advise: get rid of em and go evo — all da way gize!!

Capa……..Yep but Im talking from block up ………….Cleveland!600 HP for $10,000……..I think Brett even has the recipe for it seeing hes been building them for 25 years…….

Chevs even cheaper !

You off soon?

Keep your phone on……..I may call you later!xxx

The Model T is still going in Australia.. I see a number of examples of them [from Tin Lizzies to T Buckets] at various car shows all lovingly restored and road registered.. perfect for that leisurely sunday drive

Thet are no longer made in Australia because as times and technology changes peoples demands also change.. Therefore overtime the manufacturers make a number of changes to their cars to suit.

I mean we now travel much greater distances than before yet want to do it in the same time if not less so the cars had to become more powerful more reliable more comfortable etc.

Having said that.. Remember: NASA spent billions of dollars working on a pen that would write in space.. The Russians took a pencil.

What do you mean I have a muddled way of looking at things?

M3…………the original bench mark all others set themselves too beat…they have been doing it longer than the rest.So how is that hard to understand,M3s,have won more Touring Car races than anything else in the world. Why don’t we just see how the ISF goes up against it! Its not all about HP………having a true performance car is a package………Im not after straight line speed…..

So you want to have a beer with my online husband……hahaha He doesn’t drink beer! Do you babe?

Just so happens my eldest son is a ricer………..so yes I can fully understand what the Japs can do…….even with big hair driers!

I sat down with him this morning to watch Drive …….you see the new GTR on it……..? Just after ANDRA…..

Dont tell me what I am and what you assume I like ……where do you get off? You know I have a passion for Subaru’s……currently looking at finding a Liberty Turbo for my 14 year old to work on and become his drive car latter! Also love REXs…..Alborz will tell you that!

I hope your speaking from experience of owning Lexus and not just from what print says about them! Me I can backup owning German for 20 years……….what about you?

Once again Ill say it for you M3…….Original……lets see how the copy goes !

You want to talk mods……….well I guess I can goggle as much as you!

You want to talk cheap horse power…..Cant go pass the old stuff…….real Muscle Cars……….You build 600 hp for less than $10,000 ?????

Geez the gear box in my M3 costs $10,000…….