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	<title>Comments on: GM goes turbo</title>
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		<title>By: Gibbo</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51422</link>
		<dc:creator>Gibbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turbo charged cars go hard and perform well, eg F6 Typhoon vs Falcon GT,a lot of rewiews stated that the F6 out performed the GT because the front end of the car is lighter and the GT&#039;s V8 doesnt get going until 4500 rpm. However, turbo 4s and 6s just dont have that sweet, sweet sound of a thumping huge V8!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turbo charged cars go hard and perform well, eg F6 Typhoon vs Falcon GT,a lot of rewiews stated that the F6 out performed the GT because the front end of the car is lighter and the GT&#8217;s V8 doesnt get going until 4500 rpm. However, turbo 4s and 6s just dont have that sweet, sweet sound of a thumping huge V8!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51095</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP,
once again just because toyota (and others) are not doing it you see that as your reasoning why it is not a good enough option?

also you have made around 4 incorrect statements about LPG. here are some corrections........

1. engines on LPG typically last longer
2. engines with a decent LPG system can easily match and in some cases better the power output of the unleaded variants
3. LPG typically offers increased Torque
4. engines with a decent LPG system only drink around 1L more than the petrol versions
5. Australia has a MASSIVE supply of LPG.
what reason makes you think LPG is more scarce?

also im still waiting to hear your thoughts on your confident statement that LPG is behind diesel.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP,<br />
once again just because toyota (and others) are not doing it you see that as your reasoning why it is not a good enough option?</p>
<p>also you have made around 4 incorrect statements about LPG. here are some corrections&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>1. engines on LPG typically last longer<br />
2. engines with a decent LPG system can easily match and in some cases better the power output of the unleaded variants<br />
3. LPG typically offers increased Torque<br />
4. engines with a decent LPG system only drink around 1L more than the petrol versions<br />
5. Australia has a MASSIVE supply of LPG.<br />
what reason makes you think LPG is more scarce?</p>
<p>also im still waiting to hear your thoughts on your confident statement that LPG is behind diesel&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51090</link>
		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your obviously biased because your LPG crazy... I dont know detailed reasons but as I already said logically if it was such a good thing then it would be in manufacturers best interest to invest into it (especially because LPG is so cheap)... BUT THEY DONT!!! I dont know heaps about LPG, but this is a logical conclusion to make. Other reasons I could guess at is that the higher combustion temps for example reduce engine longetivity, they reduce the power output of vehicles and above all and Id think the main reason, they require more fuel to get the car the same distance (so your talking about LPG which I believe is more scarce then oil... and needing more of it! Ok while some small companies have it, but its not viable as something we can move to from fuel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your obviously biased because your LPG crazy&#8230; I dont know detailed reasons but as I already said logically if it was such a good thing then it would be in manufacturers best interest to invest into it (especially because LPG is so cheap)&#8230; BUT THEY DONT!!! I dont know heaps about LPG, but this is a logical conclusion to make. Other reasons I could guess at is that the higher combustion temps for example reduce engine longetivity, they reduce the power output of vehicles and above all and Id think the main reason, they require more fuel to get the car the same distance (so your talking about LPG which I believe is more scarce then oil&#8230; and needing more of it! Ok while some small companies have it, but its not viable as something we can move to from fuel)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51077</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP,
come on mate you have to be kidding yourself if you know my reasons better than myself.....grow up.

i too took a backwards step the first time a salesman uttered the words LPG at me. it was the concept of it being a dedicated fuel system instead of a duel system that grabbed me to look a little further at it.

just cause others arent looking heavily into it doesnt mean it isnt a viable solution. after they are cheaper to run than a hybrid and as i said they emitt 90% less particulates than diesels so i am still waiting to hear how you figure its behind even diesel????

i doubt you have had ZERO interaction with LPG and are scared to look outside what the marketing box is saying. most people i know or have heard from absolutely love LPG once they have used it

so how exactlly is LPG not a viable option?
and im waiting for your reply....(the famously uttered words from you toyota loyals)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP,<br />
come on mate you have to be kidding yourself if you know my reasons better than myself&#8230;..grow up.</p>
<p>i too took a backwards step the first time a salesman uttered the words LPG at me. it was the concept of it being a dedicated fuel system instead of a duel system that grabbed me to look a little further at it.</p>
<p>just cause others arent looking heavily into it doesnt mean it isnt a viable solution. after they are cheaper to run than a hybrid and as i said they emitt 90% less particulates than diesels so i am still waiting to hear how you figure its behind even diesel????</p>
<p>i doubt you have had ZERO interaction with LPG and are scared to look outside what the marketing box is saying. most people i know or have heard from absolutely love LPG once they have used it</p>
<p>so how exactlly is LPG not a viable option?<br />
and im waiting for your reply&#8230;.(the famously uttered words from you toyota loyals)</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51069</link>
		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmmm,maybe TP.......but I don&#039;t see Taxi drivers driving Prius&#039;s...............Come on just because one uses it and it works for them,how does that make it a non viable solution ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmmm,maybe TP&#8230;&#8230;.but I don&#8217;t see Taxi drivers driving Prius&#8217;s&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Come on just because one uses it and it works for them,how does that make it a non viable solution ?</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9810/gm-goes-turbo/comment-page-1/#comment-51066</link>
		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not wrong at all... you are fascinated purely because your beloved Falcons offer it. You claim its so great, well Im sorry but most manufacturers havent invested much into LPG, they have far greater resources to determine if its a viable soltuion... they obviously know it aint!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not wrong at all&#8230; you are fascinated purely because your beloved Falcons offer it. You claim its so great, well Im sorry but most manufacturers havent invested much into LPG, they have far greater resources to determine if its a viable soltuion&#8230; they obviously know it aint!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually yes P platers were mentioned at the start</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m suprised that after all these comments no one has meantioned that L and P platers won&#039;t be able to drive one of these tiny engines because there&#039;s a hair dryer on the exhaust. But they&#039;ll be allowed to get in dad&#039;s fleet Commodore that makes more power and weights more (note, that&#039;s referring to power output and handling/braking).

Aparently Peugeot are working on a Diesel Hybrid, if not already released it in other parts of the world. I think Hybrid power only works with Diesel. The petrol otto-engine hasn&#039;t really changed in design in over 100 years now. Rather than flog a dead horse, I think it&#039;s time someone like Rudolf Diesel was born and makes a new, revolutionary engine.... then get&#039;s bought out or murdered by oil companies or other car manufacturers. :p

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m suprised that after all these comments no one has meantioned that L and P platers won&#8217;t be able to drive one of these tiny engines because there&#8217;s a hair dryer on the exhaust. But they&#8217;ll be allowed to get in dad&#8217;s fleet Commodore that makes more power and weights more (note, that&#8217;s referring to power output and handling/braking).</p>
<p>Aparently Peugeot are working on a Diesel Hybrid, if not already released it in other parts of the world. I think Hybrid power only works with Diesel. The petrol otto-engine hasn&#8217;t really changed in design in over 100 years now. Rather than flog a dead horse, I think it&#8217;s time someone like Rudolf Diesel was born and makes a new, revolutionary engine&#8230;. then get&#8217;s bought out or murdered by oil companies or other car manufacturers. :p</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: goog</title>
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		<dc:creator>goog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think lpg will always be the same with all the car makes. but they need to start really making deisel v8s and other deisels, and hurry up with the hybrid. honda and toyota have for like 2 years and holden and ford say they wont have it until like 2011 or something. way 2 slow 2 react</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think lpg will always be the same with all the car makes. but they need to start really making deisel v8s and other deisels, and hurry up with the hybrid. honda and toyota have for like 2 years and holden and ford say they wont have it until like 2011 or something. way 2 slow 2 react</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP,
wrong.
i have a fascination with LPG because i have actually used it.
how is LPG behind diesel when LPG vehicles run even cheaper than a hybrid and also that LPG vehicles emitt 90% less particulates than diesels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP,<br />
wrong.<br />
i have a fascination with LPG because i have actually used it.<br />
how is LPG behind diesel when LPG vehicles run even cheaper than a hybrid and also that LPG vehicles emitt 90% less particulates than diesels</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so GM are late to the party with turbos. A little like Toyota being late to the party with ESP on the Corolla? Or ESP that works effectively on the vehicles already so equipped?

Let them do turbos. Who are we to complain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so GM are late to the party with turbos. A little like Toyota being late to the party with ESP on the Corolla? Or ESP that works effectively on the vehicles already so equipped?</p>
<p>Let them do turbos. Who are we to complain?</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew.M you have a fascination with LPG, because your beloved Ford use it... the fact is its far behind Hybrids and alittle bit behind Diesel. On topic, dont you think its a joke they are planning now to make smaller turboed engines? Like come&#039;on, by the time the cars with them get into production Toyota will be selling performance hybrids!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew.M you have a fascination with LPG, because your beloved Ford use it&#8230; the fact is its far behind Hybrids and alittle bit behind Diesel. On topic, dont you think its a joke they are planning now to make smaller turboed engines? Like come&#8217;on, by the time the cars with them get into production Toyota will be selling performance hybrids!</p>
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		<title>By: jbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you say we burn it off, which is BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you say we burn it off, which is BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what facts may i check Jbot?
why do you say we arent?

it is a fact that australia has surplus supplies of LPG to our requirement. i say why not use the damn stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what facts may i check Jbot?<br />
why do you say we arent?</p>
<p>it is a fact that australia has surplus supplies of LPG to our requirement. i say why not use the damn stuff</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coal may be the only energy producer in Australia but many other countries use alternative. France has a high number of clean Nuclear paower stations. The UK is aiming at 15% renewables (wind, tidal hydro etc) and of course your neighbours who are good at Rugby New Zealand are big on renewables. Its really only Australia and USA burning mountains of brown coal as is easy and cheap.

Anyway this ain&#039;t about hybrids, its Turbos. 

TP... diesel and Hybrids are current technology. The future is Hydrogen and Electric.
Dingo -  GM have an advanced Hydrogen R&amp;D programme. they were runing hydorgen powered Zafiras 3-4 years ago. THey are on the pulse. Ford are not better than GM in this respect they have no small turbo cars. If anyone is the leader in turboscharging its the Japanese and Swedes (Saab)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coal may be the only energy producer in Australia but many other countries use alternative. France has a high number of clean Nuclear paower stations. The UK is aiming at 15% renewables (wind, tidal hydro etc) and of course your neighbours who are good at Rugby New Zealand are big on renewables. Its really only Australia and USA burning mountains of brown coal as is easy and cheap.</p>
<p>Anyway this ain&#8217;t about hybrids, its Turbos. </p>
<p>TP&#8230; diesel and Hybrids are current technology. The future is Hydrogen and Electric.<br />
Dingo &#8211;  GM have an advanced Hydrogen R&amp;D programme. they were runing hydorgen powered Zafiras 3-4 years ago. THey are on the pulse. Ford are not better than GM in this respect they have no small turbo cars. If anyone is the leader in turboscharging its the Japanese and Swedes (Saab)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP,
LPG is a naturally ocurring gas (or should i say refined/made from)

LPG like hybrids are only a &quot;meanwhile&quot; solution untill the permanent solution presumably in hydrogen comes online

and one main reason you would go from unleaded to LPG is cost. yep to be honest thats on the adgenda of most people not the &quot;apparent&quot; problem with the ozone layer.

LPG is greener than petrol anyhow. dont forget hybrids still use petrol.
also hybrid plugins will simply go from 1 non-renewable source (petrol) to another (coal)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP,<br />
LPG is a naturally ocurring gas (or should i say refined/made from)</p>
<p>LPG like hybrids are only a &#8220;meanwhile&#8221; solution untill the permanent solution presumably in hydrogen comes online</p>
<p>and one main reason you would go from unleaded to LPG is cost. yep to be honest thats on the adgenda of most people not the &#8220;apparent&#8221; problem with the ozone layer.</p>
<p>LPG is greener than petrol anyhow. dont forget hybrids still use petrol.<br />
also hybrid plugins will simply go from 1 non-renewable source (petrol) to another (coal)</p>
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		<title>By: jbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew M, so you reckon we are buring off LPG because we can&#039;t use it fast enough??? Might want to check your facts before you make a fool of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew M, so you reckon we are buring off LPG because we can&#8217;t use it fast enough??? Might want to check your facts before you make a fool of yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: TP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Andrew.M LPG is the way.... its going to save the world!!! Why the hell would you go from one non-reneweable to another when the technology exists to reduce their use significantly or completley (hydrogen cell)? You need to get over LPG, if the whole world was using LPG then it would be depleted no doubt very quickly! And thats fogetting the environmetnal cost of going larger scale on its production, offsetting any cost that people try to spin on hybrids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Andrew.M LPG is the way&#8230;. its going to save the world!!! Why the hell would you go from one non-reneweable to another when the technology exists to reduce their use significantly or completley (hydrogen cell)? You need to get over LPG, if the whole world was using LPG then it would be depleted no doubt very quickly! And thats fogetting the environmetnal cost of going larger scale on its production, offsetting any cost that people try to spin on hybrids</p>
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		<title>By: goog</title>
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		<dc:creator>goog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>shit. i didnt no that. yeah holdens 6 is quite shit ayy haha didnt no it was that bad. but holdens v8 is much better then the fords. the xu6 looks nice as and i thort it did go pretty hard 2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>shit. i didnt no that. yeah holdens 6 is quite shit ayy haha didnt no it was that bad. but holdens v8 is much better then the fords. the xu6 looks nice as and i thort it did go pretty hard 2</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes the XU6 was a weird on because it was a reply from holden to the XR6 market that ford had found success in.

perhaps holden didnt put enough into the XU6 or perhaps people just realised that holden 6&#039;s arent the go for the performance minded. it was also quite weird that the supercharged V6 commy&#039;s couldnt even match the power of the stock N/A falcon 6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes the XU6 was a weird on because it was a reply from holden to the XR6 market that ford had found success in.</p>
<p>perhaps holden didnt put enough into the XU6 or perhaps people just realised that holden 6&#8217;s arent the go for the performance minded. it was also quite weird that the supercharged V6 commy&#8217;s couldnt even match the power of the stock N/A falcon 6</p>
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