GM vs Toyota – down to the wire
January 24, 2008 by Alborz Fallah
With reports of Toyota overtaking General Motors as the largest brand in the world by the end of last year predicted long before December, final figures from last year, released a few hours ago, actually put the old General about 3500 units ahead of Toyota.
GM managed to sell 9,369,524 vehicles in 2007, a 3 per cent increase over 2006. Toyota had previously stated that the company had sold 9.37 million vehicles in 2007 but that figure was changed to “about 9.366 million in sales” today.
There is still a chance for the Big T to claim victory if sales from an obscure GM partnership in China are not counted. The Automotive News Data Centre, the people who do the counting, last year denied GM the sales figures and deducted vehicles from SAIC-GM-Wuling Automobile Co. from the GM total because SAIC is majority owner of the partnership.
So how can GM be in financial trouble if the 2007 results were the second-best global sales total in its 100-year history? 2007 was also the third straight year the American manufacturer sold more than 9 million vehicles.
The U.S. domestic market only accounts for 41 per cent of GM’s sales with over 5.5 million of the 9.36 total sold outside the United States. The Chinese market accounts for over 10 per cent of all sales, with more than a million GM vehicles sold there last year. Eastern Europe and Brazil also performed well.
The problem GM faces is that it’s losing ground at home, while Toyota is growing fast. GM’s sales in North America fell 6.1 per cent in 2007.
The question that everyone wants answered is if GM can claim victory for ‘07? Mike DiGiovanni, GM’s executive director of global product planning, said in a morning conference call with analysts and reporters that the race with Toyota is too close to call.
” We’re just focused on putting our nose down and trying to do a good job, serving our customers and making the best products that we can. I don’t think anyone knows… we don’t know (who won).”
The company has stated that while it is in it to win, they don’t wish to get into trouble with too many fleet orders and big incentive sales.
” We think we’re doing the right things to remain No 1, and we’re in it for the long run,” DiGiovanni said.
It is also clear that GM has shifted its focus from the domestic market in the U.S. and Europe to Latin America, Asia, eastern Europe and developing countries.
If GM does keep the title in 2007, will Toyota finally have its day in 2008?
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3% increase over 2006 for GM. What was the % increase for Toyota?
I’d say TOYOTA will win in sales!
Toyota is one big company (wordwide)
GM is made up of:
Holden
Opel
Vauxhall
Pontiac
Saab
Chevrolet
Cadiliac
Buick
Saturn
GMC
GM Daewoo
HUMMER
Oldsmobile
Can anybody tell me why does GM and Toyota have both got to fight for first spot? What they will think they will be a better company across the world with bigger sales?
And why has TOYOTA able to sell more units than GM, all car companies above? Is that because GM dont make as much cars as TOYOTA or as much as they use to? Or is GM losing there touch and people have moved to TOYOTA?
However the sales from the Mickey-Mouse arrangement in China affect the 2007 result, The Toyota roller coaster is unstoppable in the medium term. Goodbye GM, it was nice knowing ya.
Quote Duck………..
“Can anybody tell me why does GM and Toyota have both got to fight for first spot? What they will think they will be a better company across the world with bigger sales?”
well actually in marketing terms if you sell or have more people will instantly think it must be good.
a great old retail saying is “stock sells stock”.
for eg if you have a full pallet of margarine and plonk it straight on the floor in the shop front, it will sell like hotcakes and people will snap it up even if you DONT drop the price.
consumers are funny people and perceptions of a product or the value in it is the biggest selling point no matter what you are selling.
I think toyota will have GM next year though. they are just on too much of a roll. i know GM has actually increased their profit per unit quite a bit too.
Quote from the article……………
“So how can GM be in financial trouble if the 2007 results were the second-best global sales total in its 100-year history?”
easy!!! my throry is toyota makes more money per unit because they are more efficient with their models.
I dont mean that they turn them out in half the time, but rather that they use part bins that service many many vehicles, and they dont spend money developing a new vehicle for every region/country like GM and ford does.
Toyoda will get there, its good for them. Just because of that wont stop the rivaly between the original “big 3″.
I believe that if you approach something with the sole intention of becoming number one and put all your time money and resources into doing so you will often find that when an unforeseen problem or event occurs you will most likely be unable to deal with it or manage it effectively because you have become so obsessed so focussed on achieving the illusive goal and try so hard that you forget about various what if scenarios and probably didn’t make any contingency plans.
By failing to plan you’re planning to fail.
I believe that if you focus more on what you are good at; develop your strengths etc that in itself will improve your image/reputation which will then eventually lead to success wealth and happiness
This applies to both business/work and personal life..
It basically means that don’t rush things trying to make it happen.. as there are so many external factors that can infuence the outcome which you have no control over.. and when you lose sight of the basics or what’s more important that’s when things can start to go wrong big time.. it’s best to see what happens naturally.
It sounds pretty dull but its based on the theory of the “pyramid of human needs” etc. which states before you proceed to the next level make sure your foundations are well looked after
Duck, Toyota have had numerous sales channels on the domestic market and overseas for some time.
Granted, it’s not as many as GM, but there’s Toyota, Lexus, Scion, Vista (I think), and…hell, it’s night time and it’s hot and I can’t be stuffed doing a Google or Wikipedia. See what you can find.
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BEER………..ya better not think Ill be drinking that tomorrow………….real ladies don’t drink beer!!!! hahaha
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Toyota is just mainly Toyota, Lexus, Scion, Hino and Daihatsu.
They have minority stakes in Subaru and Isuzu I think.
who cares if toyota sold more cars…thats just 9.366 million more BORING cars on the worlds roads!
GM stateside is quite resurgent with the launch of good-looking winners like the new Cadillac CTS and the Chevrolet Malibu. We are set to see the Caddy here while the Chevy should have been the Epica. So far, GM downunder is blowing it, with classless rebadged Koreans and awful VE recalls.
Hey who really cares who’s biggest except Toyota and Gen Motors.
I believe where GM are slipping up is they are not pushing their products up market enough. Take Saab for instance, all they have become are rebodied opel/Vauxhalls same running gear. In fact i’d go as much to say quality has gone down for was it considered a premium product.
Buyers of vehicles are an astute bunch nowadays and know whats good and bad, they have more disposable income so products have scope to be better. Take my top of the range Vectra (Dunny as Bavarian Missile refers to it.. hee hee) for a $61K car its not a patch on a similar priced Audi A6 in terms of quality and equipment.
If GM want to succeed to remain top seller they need to raise the bar.
Talking about bars I fancy a beer.
Hey duck, I think you missed out on Isuzu
Hey babe………don’t drink beer…that’s for scrubbers!!!!!!
I do agree with what your saying though!!!!!!!
for a long time GM where essentially lazy, particularly in the US, and took their market domination for granted. Now days with crippling debt and about to loose their dominance, they have finally woken up and are fighting back with quality new product (2008 cadillac CTS anyone?)
It helps alot when you have the fleet market for government cars, if they didnt have that Toyota would have destroyed em.
Toyota has set their eyes on the number 1 for a few years now actually. And projections are… well I think its confidential so better not.
But in terms of why Toyota is selling like hot cakes at the moment. It consists of multiple factors, the obvious ones, and the not so obvious ones.
I can vouch here in the U.S at the moment, Toyota’s Tundra just won truck of the year from a major media source. It’s a good truck, considering Toyota’s experience with this particular market… Hino trucks are different… I think the Tundra is under the full-sized cab trucks, different from commercial trucks.
Marketing wise they are fantastic over here, they have a very good name and reputation despite some set backs. You have to remember however, that yes… recalls are recalls… but for Toyota, they recall anything, even the smallest issues. Some are serious, but a lot of recalls are due to “minor” things preventing them from becomming a warranty issue in the future. As opposed to other companies with major issues with the big % of their recalls.
GM’s Cadillac CTS is a good looking car, quality wise, not sure… yet :-)
And the “boring” image?
Well Toyota was right not to listen to a lot of people telling them to produce more “exciting” cars, as they are gaining more market share….
I can tell though that they do have “exciting” cars on the shelf…
Toyota products are boring, I just read the latest issue of Wheels and every toyota product including the v8 hybrid lexus had underwhelming handling. And the ESP on all those vehicles, well it was dumb a test driver tipped one over. That was in real driving circumstances on gravel. Toyota’s response was along the lines of “it was working fine, and it was on gravel not tarmac as stated by International Standards Organisation”. Meaning they will only meet the minimum standards and are not willing to look into things further. An ESP program fitted to a 4wd that does not work off road… brilliant. Thats toyota engineering.
Mmmm I wonder will they crack it. Yep the Americas market is big, Australian market not so big. Quote from above “Eastern Europe and Brazil also performed well.” Toyota apart from a few pick-up’s have yet to really crack the Euro market which is dominated by the locally designed & manufactured vehicles. Hell even Hyundai get their cars designed locally (i30). Nissan manufacture cars in the north of England (Qashqai), Honda assemble cars in the UK (as did Peugeot until a couple of years ago). None of them have made it big here and what with the European rulers making “Europe bigger” the market is significant. People in Euroland change their cars more frequently than elsewhere in the world.
The Asian market is not a particularly wealthy market so small cars are the ones more likely to shift. Do Toyota have a cheapo range no not really. I wish either the best in the forthcoming tussle.
More Toyota for everyone. The soylent green of the automotive world uuurghhhh!!! In the interest of innovation lets hope that Toyota doesn’t win out and the tussle continues. Thank goodness the europeans have a more discerning taste for vehicles.
Toyota marketing is superior. Nib problems with frequent recalls and dealer network before they become major issues. Other companies let things lie for months before addressing hence Toyota’s reliability/ quality reputation. Toyota management superior to others and thats why they are on top with a generally mediocre product in terms of design/ finesse etc. Incompetent management in other auto makers such as the yanks have been sitting on their arses collecting their fat cheques for years while Toyota has relentlessly pursued this line. This imagine advantage is now paying dividends and the other idiots have been caught sleeping. Toyota understood that reliability is foremost in the consumers mind even if the product is dull as long as it works.
Toyota knocking GM from top spot is good because for generations they have been one of the most arrogant automotive companies in the world having supplied some of the worst cars to have ever grace the road, unsatisfactory attention to poor cfratsmanship particularly fault rectification, unacceptable customer service and the belief that what they want to biuld is what the poeple want but hasn’t GM relised the truth in the past few years.
So, not only has Toyota spurred to the top, they have been able to continue with manufacturing quality, reliable, dependable and durable vehicles that actually exhibit alot more substance about them today then then they ever have eg, powerful engines, competitive packaging, strong safety ratings, strong customer service and a strong marketing regime. That coupled with what is now one of he worlds most respected and recognised brands, Lexus has landed Toyota in a very strong position.
Unfortunately over the past couple of years the BIG T has endured some growing pains of which in some ways could prove to be good because it will hopefully ensure Toyota keeps thier feet firmly planted on the ground. That said, i believe Toyota’s attention to the thier recent problems should also prove a winner as they haven’t relaxed on the raised issues but more rather invested time, money and resources in dealing with the problems.
In conclusion – not only has Toyota spurred to the top for honourable reasons but is now the worlds wealthiest automotive outfit by a country mile having consecatively returned multi-billion dollar profits for the past few years while remaining highly competitive (towards the top) in customer satisfaction surveys.
GO TOYOTA … OH WHAT A FEELING
OH YEAH … everybody including GM pulled the mickey out of Toyota for thier pursuit of hybrid tech but now it seems everybody is jumping onboard.
Jamison – here are some examples of Holden’s (GM) arrogance.
When the VE was launched and depite it being nothing more then just an oridnary family hack, they compared it to that of the worlds very best but have sense been reluctant to pursue such comparos. They then harped on about that it will be the safest Australian manufactuered car yet but the Aurion toppled it in the latest NCAP tests while they also mouthed on about how far ahead the quality of the car had advanced but todate all we hear about is the vast array of quality glitches associated with the VE.
When the lone TRD Aurion blew it’s stuFfings Toyota ceased all sales and undertook an exhaustive investigation to minimise any further occurances hence ensure a quality product but even when the varies issues associated with the GEN3 had surfaced, Holden continued selling them by the hundreds without expressing an due care toards all the customers who would be affected.
It comes down to the cultural differances between the two companies.
Yes Isuzu is also part of GM
Warning – Off topic comment:
Dingo, congrats on the self-control. Valid comments without ranting or nonsensical attacks. Guys please keep it at this level.
Duck … wrong – GM sold it’s minority share to Toyota. Toyota also has minority stakes in Yamaha, Subaru and about 22% in Denso. Owns Lexus and Scion outright as they are entities setup by the BIG T itself while they control Daihatsu with something like a 52% sharing.
TOYOTA WINS … !!
Bret … i’m trying.
Dingo,
when did GM sell its Isuzu share?
how come they are still able to sell there re-badged Isuzus/Rodeos then?
Thanks Dingo.. Next time I’m heading towards either a brick wall or the back end of a truck and I don’t have the mental ability or skill to take some kind of evasive action I will make sure that I’m in an Aurion.
Mind you I would be rather worried if I was in a Kluger and had to brake/swerve to avoid an something on the road as they appear to have a problem with the Dynamic Stability Control or ESP [Wheels]
thing with the Kluger ESP Roll over is that Toyota said Wheels tests aren’t conducted in accordance with internationally recognised standrds.. which like ANCrAP tests are held under controlled conditons at preset speeds etc. and therefore they denie that there is a problem with the Kluger
Yet the guys at wheels and motor drive the cars like they would most likely be driven in the real world and how many Accidents in the real world occur in accordance with the internationally recognised standrds?
Yeah and Wheels car mag is the be all and end all… very unbiased source that one. You maddas well get information from Holden and Ford PR themselves.
TP,
what so are wheels lying that the kluger etc didnt roll when compared to others?
Andrew … if you don’t believe me then search it under Wikipedia (Toyota). ‘ALL’ the answers to yur questions will be found there and once you have ‘eye balled ‘it for yourself, get back to me and tell me were i was wrong.
Until then, i will be waiting your response and if i hear nothing about the matter i will offer you a ‘FRIENDLY’ reminder.
Yours Sincerely
Andrew – when you visit Wikipedia (Toyota), to save any further ownership issues that i mentioned – be sure too note the others that i commented about and while you are at it … confirm for me Toyota’s current exact stance with Denso – it is 20 ’something’ percent.
Cheers
Yours Faithfully
Dingo,
dont get smart!!!!!
i ask you a civil question and you take it as an insult/threat.
i wasnt saying you were wrong was I? i was purely asking when they sold their share.
and also what arrangement exists inorder for them to still be able to use isuzus as rodeos.
ha ha ha waiting for my response ha ha ha ha
you just got caught jumping the gun you c-o-c-k-y bugger!!
sorry but im not an internet warrior so even if i needed to prove something i wouldnt turn to Wiki or Google.
I dont think ive ever really used “Wiki” but what i do know about it is it isnt alays correct and readers can start a page on what ever they want. is that right?
Wiki pedia is not what I’d call a reliable or accurate resource for research and information nor is it what you would call up to date. [like most encyclopedias]
The main reason for this is that internet users can make contributions to Wiki and the information is very rarely checked etc.
For instance in relation to Holden I have found a number of flaws – inaccurate dates facts and figures etc compared to those that I have in my collection of Holden books and memorobilia etc.. most of which is actually from Holden
Therefore; as far as I am concerned.. if you want the right information then why not go to the source and contact them via their website..
Andrew – i don’t understand the business structure behind why Holden continues to utilise Isuzu engines (there you go … you have 1 up on me if you can answer that) but i do know that GM sold out thier approx 8% (give or take) share to Toyota.
Have a wee look for yourself and the rest of Toyota’s ownership’s of which you will find i am pretty much within ‘line of sight’ from my i original mentioning
No offence dude … take it easy.
Could be a similar scenario to what VW and BMW did with Rolls Royce.. where one bought “the name” but the other bought the company and its operations”
So maybe GM sold the name/trademark to Toyota but kept hold of the operations
Or it could be as Isuzu is made up of 2 main divisions ISUZU [Trucks] and ISUZU [Automotive].. Similar to Daewoo or Hyundai who have Heavy Machinery and Automotive Divisions
Toyota just bought the Truck Division but GM Kept the Automotive Division which includes the Rodeo
I feel this is most liley as what would Toyota want with the Rodeo when they have the Hilux yet their light Trucks aren’t as good or as versatile as the ISUZU Range.
Dingo,
ha ha ha, no offence? well good, ha ha ha
if you come sticking your chest out whilst jumping the gun you will get an appropriate response in reply, so no offence back.
holden dont just use the isuzu engine, they use the whole vehicle (as a friendly point)
glad to see now that you have your feet back on the ground you dont see my question as such a silly one ;)
Wheelnut,
sorry the isuzu’s arent as good as the hilux’s. the latest rodeos have gone to shyte.
im not saying the hilux is the best either because there is a few i’d even place over “the mighty Lux” (and no thats not a movie starring charlie sheen)
I don’t know what the new Hilux’s are like, but the older ones aren’t so flash (2000-ish). My brother owns a 2000 model 2.7L petrol Hilux.
It crapped it’s timing belt long before it was due for replacement. Luckily the head design didn’t have the valves smash into the pistons.
Suspension is way too hard, for road or bushbashing. A friend has a turbo-diesel Cruiser and it is a far more capable bushbasher AND more civilised on the road.
He is NOT happy with its fuel economy, lucky to get 450 kms out of a tank. I got 790kms in my AU Falcon last week.
He bought the dual-cab because he didn’t want jerry cans of chainsaw fuel in the cab stinking it out, but now he is in a different job, he wants an RTV ute.
The RTV ute will happily get us into the camping sites we visit for our dirt bike trips.
Andrew – just a friendly reminder … did you sight Toyota’s ownership stance from the source i directed you too. If you did … what did it say !!
Wheelnut – if you are not comfortable with the information from Wikipedia then go to a sight that you are (eg izusu) maybe. Eitherway … i am sure you will find my ownership comment correct but just make sure you to obtain the information from a site that you are comfortabe with so we don’t have to get into any unneccessary of-topic debates while achieving results at the same time.
Hey Minnow.
You do know when you say Toyota engineering.. as if you sum up all of the engineers into one group.
First off, I AM in Automotive engineering… and I can tell you the group/department I work for is just one of many. Its not a one group, decision making when designing a vehicle.
I can tell you, many engineers have ideas, engineers are after all understands the concept of automotive and performance more so that most people who simply read brochues, internet sites, magazines etc.
But it all comes down to finanical and cost justification.
You have to factor in that Toyota is a manufacturing company as opposed to a performance/race company.
Ferrari, McLaren etc are performance companies.
BMW, Mercedes, Audi etc are mid-class~upper-class manufacturers who has the name and image to justify the price tag… hence they can also justifying putting more features, more powerful engines, more sophisticated suspensions systems etc on their cars… Because they can simply charge 100K for the car… or base model around 70K and make money off them.
Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford etc are MASS production manufacturers. They care about cost per part, if a SUPPLIER increases the price of a door handle for instance… lets say by 5 cents a piece… all these companies will cry bloody murder…. because it’ll cost them a few million a year… do ya get?
And these companies dont have the name to charge premium to make up for it.
Toyota and Honda I can say have very similar quality these days, with Honda being more picky these days but they also cost more than Toyota these days.
GM and Ford have many “high performance” vehicles… 200kW, 5 liter engines etc… hehe… if you call that high performance…. these cars have impressive numbers but actually, technology wise they are OLD…. thats how both companies can afford to make cars and produce them in mass production, also they have a lot of SUV/trucks in their line-up and many of the engine parts are carry over… obviously, there are new engines and they are impressively engineered by outsourced companies or affiliates… but to compensate on the cost of “high performance”… design durability and efficieny suffers.. as well as quality of other parts…. this is to justify the affordable cost for the performance increase.
You see, shiny paint, impressive looking badges and grill style.. they dont tell you how a car is really made.. or how it reacts to wear and tear and forces during driving.
My point being, you pay for $40,000 Sports car… you’re paying for the performance mainly… other aspects aren’t justified with that price tag.
Sure other Japanese car companies have more sports cars in there line-ups… Nissan for example.. I for one love Nissan, I work for Toyota and love their cars too but Nissan, Subaru all make high performance cars.. but you look the retail price… $70K for a Nissan 2-seater?… 65K for a Subaru 4WD Turbo etc… well these cars NO WAY near sell as much as your 30K family sedans… used for everyday driving… So if you want to maximise Profit… who do you target?
Besides.. most people here… young males (like myself) are more inclined to buy second hand sports cars…. and thats why Nissan, Subaru etc dont make no way near as much profit as Toyota.
OMG Cobra it crapped its timing belt man thats a major engine floor… are your kidding? What else you gonna dig up, at 300,000kms it misfied once? What kind of a stupid comment is that, such a minor problem… at least it had a non-intereference engine and didnt screw the valves up… a postitive for the engine design
Andrew M – That’s what I said: Toyota wouldn’t really want the Rodeo because the Hilux is far more superior.. yet in terms of [Delivery] Trucks the Isuzus are better than the Toyotas
At work we are in the process of switching our fleet of trucks over from Toyotas to Isuzus because of thier reliability; versatility etc
Dingo – What off-topic debate
Wheelnut … just the answers nothing more.
From your preferrred source of-coarse !!
Wheelnut – give me the name of the place were you work (no i don’t want to know who you are therefore it shouldn’t be a hassle) and i will give them a courtesy call to confirm your comment..
In a FRIENDLY manner of course.
I anticipate there shouldn’t be a problem.
According to the GM website [www.gm.com] Isuzu is no longer listed as a GM owned company.
Therefore; I assume that there would most likely be an agreement between Toyota/Isuzu and GM for Isuzu to continue supplying GM with the Rodeo – similar to the agreement Toyota has with Lotus to supply engines
oh sorry wheelnut,
i thought you meant it the other way around in that the isuzu/rodeo was better than the hilux.
but yes when talking about the medium trucks i agree that those isuzu versions are better then the toyota/dyna or what ever you use in your fleet.
Dingo,
i still dont get what you want me to do……
what, click onto wiki and look at toyotas ownership stakes and for what?????
TP,
i think what Watto was trying to point out is that the hilux isnt as unbreakable as they claim.
and the other thing is i think it is obvious you have had no experience with Hilux’s yet you defend them closely purely because you hold a toyota umbrella.
you dont really care about the hilux do you?
God I just finish with TP………on the Hilux and now its started over here!!!!!!!!!
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Wheelnut – give me the name of the place were you work (no i don’t want to know who you are therefore it shouldn’t be a hassle) and i will give them a courtesy call to confirm your comment..
What…………just cause we know where you work mate……and by the way you must be on nights to be here now!
What you think your going to achieve anyhow……talk the company out of getting rid of Toyotas……….you on a crusade to save Toyotas!!!!!!!!
Andrew … gee sorry mate, i must have failed to diagnoise that my question was so hard.
You questioned Toyota’s omnership of Izusu and i directed you to a site were you anwser it for yourself and then get to me.
Is it really that hard !!
oh yeah – and no one has ‘EVER SAID’ on one single occassion (that i have noted) that the Hilux is unbreakable but while saying that – it has earn’t itself an honourable reputation for breing a rugged utility and that you can not deny.
Put it this way – alot more rugGed than a Rodeo or Ranger could ever hope to be …PERIOD !!
no BM dont you read!!!!
he just came off nights!!!!
ha ha ha ha oh i see what you mean ha ha ha ha :o
Bavarian – what are you doing here, i thought you were apart of a forum now so why the neccessity to be on this site.
To answer your question, all i want to do is varify Wheelnuts comment so for once and for all we can start grasping what is accurate and what’s not.
Surely you carn’t hold that against someone who justs wants to know the truth from … well, not so truthful comments.
Apart from that – NO HARM … Take it easy !!
Dingo………..what time do you start your shift….???
Dingo,
mate you question wasnt to hard it is just pointless.
Im not your little B***h that runs for information at your request. as i said i wasnt doubting you on the ownership just curious as to how they could still keep selling Isuzu when they dont own them anymore.
Im not going to look out of principle as there is nothing to prove.
oh and no one has ever said the Hilux is unbreakable?
gee you must love your toyotas if you havent even realised that Toyotas slogan for Hilux’s for many years was in fact “Unbreakable Hilux”. they even put a little sticker on the owners rear screen.
i wouldnt be so quick to class the ranger as not being as rugged as the hilux. the Ranger/Courier has held its own over many years too but only promoted less than the hilux.
didnt the Ranger and BT50 both out do the Hilux in the 4X4 test to find that very thing out?
Andrew … WRONG – i was suppose to go back today but because of the heavy rains we probably won’t make it back until Monday the earliest but haa … i don’t mind because it means it will just be a short week for myself.
Surely you are a resonable enough person to understand that.
Anyway, like i asked – i would appreciate if i can varify your story and like i said i don’t want to know who you are or even your position so that way we can keep the personal info to the side therefore no harm is done.
Haa … If it true then why the dilemma especially considering you have the oppurtunity to ’show me up’ … gee – if i was you i would jump at the idea !!
Dingo,
CORRECTION……….
i am not wrong. i too pointed out that you were suppose to go back today. even you said you were suppose to so are you WRONG too?
I take it that second part isnt for me?
Andrew – get over it … it’s advertising just like Holden with it’s Billion Dollar Baby that can challenge the worlds very best or the old thunderstruck adds that had GEN3’s doing burnouts yet knocked back people’s warranty claims when they admitted to driving them hard or the fact there’s that Epica add that makes it look like a prestiages motorcar.
Anyway – good to see you know understand that GM no longer holds shares in Izusu.
Haa … you learn’t some new – what’so bad about that.
But now you have your chance to teach me something new and that is wether your company is changing over Hilux’s to another brand.
Maybe your story is true because Toyota is unable to satisfy the contract in full or within time because of the demand of the Hilux so yes then you are right but failed top highlight a resonable explanation why.
Then again – it could have simply came down to them being undercut by thier competitor.
I’m just curious … that’s all !!
Sorry … my mistake (and the above comment) – it should have been directed at Wheelnut not yourself.
Thanks for the correction !!
4×4 tests are conducted over hoW many kilometers – 2 / 3
thousand.
How do they handle the conditions over an extended period of time through rain, hail or shine, day-in, day-out, 365 days a year.
Believe you me Andrew … i am in the poition to answer that question not yourself.
YOU CAN HAVE NY WORD ON THAT
The solid reputation that the Hilux has rightful earn’t itself just does not happen by mistake and you should be smart enough to be able to respect it.
Bavarain – some time when the grounds are dry enough to SAFELY commence production.
Don’t want any rollovers.
“OMG Cobra it crapped its timing belt man thats a major engine floor… are your kidding? What else you gonna dig up, at 300,000kms it misfied once? What kind of a stupid comment is that, such a minor problem… at least it had a non-intereference engine and didnt screw the valves up… a postitive for the engine design”
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OMG TP, stupid comment is it? Not so minor when you’re stuck in the mountains. And a problem is still a problem TP, you can’t just ignore it the way you do other things *nudge*. Other than that it has been resonably reliable.
That “positive” you mentioned is the one I bloody well mentioned. It’s also always blowing fuses on the interior light circuit, despite two auto-sparkys looking at it. I only mentioned it’s major problems, put the belt together with it’s terrible fuel consumption, poor bush ability, and he regrets ever buying it, or at least wishes he’d paid extra for the diesel.
It seemed like the best vehicle for his needs at the time, but not now.
Watto,
well electrical gremlins must be a problem with them then??
they also have a safety recall out on the current lux’s at the moment due to electrical issues when connected to a trailer
Well, generally fine except that fuse that keeps blowing. We’ve tried looking for wires chafing on steel body, replaced switches and the interior light. Nothing has worked.
Might have to settle for hooking up some sort of circuit breaker in place of the fuse, unless he does decide to trade it soon.
Haven’t had issues with trailer circuit, but it’s a 2000 model, so I wouldn’t know if newer models do. What kind of safety recall? Just inoperative lights or possibility of melting wires?