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	<title>Comments on: Holden announces Sportwagon line-up</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-94185</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow this would make a great driftmachine, for D1 or something like that, to show an aussie brand for drifting. just imagine a station wagon drifting!!! time to buy one and preping it as a race machine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow this would make a great driftmachine, for D1 or something like that, to show an aussie brand for drifting. just imagine a station wagon drifting!!! time to buy one and preping it as a race machine!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-50271</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep the R5 was a great concept. i thought at one point they were taking orders on it but after the thought it might be too expensive they canned the idea of producing it.

it was one hell of a practical 2 door ute. ford put lots of thought into it and some of the ideas in it has only just surfaced again in the form of the toyota A-BAT concept</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep the R5 was a great concept. i thought at one point they were taking orders on it but after the thought it might be too expensive they canned the idea of producing it.</p>
<p>it was one hell of a practical 2 door ute. ford put lots of thought into it and some of the ideas in it has only just surfaced again in the form of the toyota A-BAT concept</p>
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		<title>By: Watto_Cobra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Watto_Cobra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I&#039;ve seen a few articles on the R5. Shame it didn&#039;t go into production like the Crewman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I&#8217;ve seen a few articles on the R5. Shame it didn&#8217;t go into production like the Crewman.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-50262</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut,
You know how holden made the crewman (VY). Well do you that ford came up with the idea first with the R5 Concept!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut,<br />
You know how holden made the crewman (VY). Well do you that ford came up with the idea first with the R5 Concept!</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-50260</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People thought that the crewman will be dead! Ha! Yes i hope they do continue to build the crewman, and i&#039;ve seen the GMC Crewman on the website (thanks wheelnut) but i hope that they don&#039;t make the crewman to look exactly like that.  And the Torana Coupe that was pictured on the MOTOR mag, issue January with orange looked teriffic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People thought that the crewman will be dead! Ha! Yes i hope they do continue to build the crewman, and i&#8217;ve seen the GMC Crewman on the website (thanks wheelnut) but i hope that they don&#8217;t make the crewman to look exactly like that.  And the Torana Coupe that was pictured on the MOTOR mag, issue January with orange looked teriffic!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-50259</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found an article on www.autoblog.com/category/holden 

Apparently GM Car Czar Bob Lutz has confirmed that a four-door ute concept based on Holden&#039;s rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform [same as the VE] but wearing a GMC badge will debut at the New York Auto Show in late March. From Bob&#039;s description, the vehicle is much like the Holden Crewman, which was a version of the Holden Ute with its wheelbase stretched to accommodate a second row of seats and two more doors (all-wheel-drive was also eventually an option). 

The concept debuting in Detroit will be wearing very masculine GMC styling cues, however, and sounds as if it will be billed as a unibody pickup. This gives the GMC four-door ute a good shot at production since GM knows that demand for trucks in the future has to be satisfied with vehicles that are more fuel efficient than body-on-frame trucks. 
A recent spate of unibody truck concepts like the Toyota A-BAT Concept and Ford Explorer America Concept show that automakers are very interested in switching to lighter unibody platforms for vehicles that have traditionally been truck-based.

Lutz also points out the obvious upside that if the GMC four-door ute is popular with the public, it can be sold in Australia as Holden&#039;s replacement for the Crewman, which wasn&#039;t updated along with the rest of the Ute lineup last year. 

So Maybe the Crewamn isn&#039;t dead afterall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found an article on <a href="http://www.autoblog.com/category/holden" rel="nofollow">http://www.autoblog.com/category/holden</a> </p>
<p>Apparently GM Car Czar Bob Lutz has confirmed that a four-door ute concept based on Holden&#8217;s rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform [same as the VE] but wearing a GMC badge will debut at the New York Auto Show in late March. From Bob&#8217;s description, the vehicle is much like the Holden Crewman, which was a version of the Holden Ute with its wheelbase stretched to accommodate a second row of seats and two more doors (all-wheel-drive was also eventually an option). </p>
<p>The concept debuting in Detroit will be wearing very masculine GMC styling cues, however, and sounds as if it will be billed as a unibody pickup. This gives the GMC four-door ute a good shot at production since GM knows that demand for trucks in the future has to be satisfied with vehicles that are more fuel efficient than body-on-frame trucks.<br />
A recent spate of unibody truck concepts like the Toyota A-BAT Concept and Ford Explorer America Concept show that automakers are very interested in switching to lighter unibody platforms for vehicles that have traditionally been truck-based.</p>
<p>Lutz also points out the obvious upside that if the GMC four-door ute is popular with the public, it can be sold in Australia as Holden&#8217;s replacement for the Crewman, which wasn&#8217;t updated along with the rest of the Ute lineup last year. </p>
<p>So Maybe the Crewamn isn&#8217;t dead afterall</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The TT-36 Torana Concept car was designed and built before the VE project had been finalised/completed - infact teh Concept Car has a number of features which are on the VE

As for what it will look like.. I expect it will look very similar to the Concept Car [Lutzy likes it] Yet on the front cover of a recent issue of Motor there is a CGI of a Torana A9-X Coupe which is based more on the Vectra [Insignia] which shares the Alpha platform of the TT-36

I hope that they make it here.. There&#039;s enough room for another line at the rear of the Elizabeth facility.. It&#039;s possible considering the Monaro is No More the plant in Canada will be making Camaros and GM are planning to close up to 4 other plants in the US.. Wait and see</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The TT-36 Torana Concept car was designed and built before the VE project had been finalised/completed &#8211; infact teh Concept Car has a number of features which are on the VE</p>
<p>As for what it will look like.. I expect it will look very similar to the Concept Car [Lutzy likes it] Yet on the front cover of a recent issue of Motor there is a CGI of a Torana A9-X Coupe which is based more on the Vectra [Insignia] which shares the Alpha platform of the TT-36</p>
<p>I hope that they make it here.. There&#8217;s enough room for another line at the rear of the Elizabeth facility.. It&#8217;s possible considering the Monaro is No More the plant in Canada will be making Camaros and GM are planning to close up to 4 other plants in the US.. Wait and see</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s dissapointing that there not making the monaro but i guess it&#039;s always an open option if holden does want to make it. I hope they build the torana in Australia, but if they do will the torana look the exactly the same as the pics on CarAdvice, because a few people say it looks to similar to the VE. And thats because the torana was designed before the VE Commy(i think) and holden got ideas and designs from the torana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s dissapointing that there not making the monaro but i guess it&#8217;s always an open option if holden does want to make it. I hope they build the torana in Australia, but if they do will the torana look the exactly the same as the pics on CarAdvice, because a few people say it looks to similar to the VE. And thats because the torana was designed before the VE Commy(i think) and holden got ideas and designs from the torana.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 03:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob Lutz announced at the Detroit Motorshow that the Monaro has been &quot;put on ice&quot; for the time being - whilst the factory in Canada builds enough Camaros to meet the expected demand. So for no at least the Monaro is a No-Go

As for the Torana that is more of a certainty as Rick Waggoner has finally realised the world is leaning towards smaller mor compact cars. He also realised that its better for a company to build a range of cars based on one or two platforms [Alpha and Zeta] which also share various parts 

So The Torana is more likely to get the Go Ahead particularly with the New G6 due in a couple of years.. Id expect Holden are doing R&amp;D on it at the moment. As for where it will be built as yet that hasn&#039;t been decided</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Lutz announced at the Detroit Motorshow that the Monaro has been &#8220;put on ice&#8221; for the time being &#8211; whilst the factory in Canada builds enough Camaros to meet the expected demand. So for no at least the Monaro is a No-Go</p>
<p>As for the Torana that is more of a certainty as Rick Waggoner has finally realised the world is leaning towards smaller mor compact cars. He also realised that its better for a company to build a range of cars based on one or two platforms [Alpha and Zeta] which also share various parts </p>
<p>So The Torana is more likely to get the Go Ahead particularly with the New G6 due in a couple of years.. Id expect Holden are doing R&amp;D on it at the moment. As for where it will be built as yet that hasn&#8217;t been decided</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Wheelnut,
Have GM decided if they are going to build the monaro and/or torana and where?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wheelnut,<br />
Have GM decided if they are going to build the monaro and/or torana and where?</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-50220</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duck - Holden made a very limited run [less than 500] of SS Wagons in the Previous model; inorder to help shift stock before the new VE assembly line [which took almost half of the billion dollar budget] was brought on line. 

Oz - From what I have read on this website Frugal One doesn&#039;t like cars at all.. I mean he only has negative things to say about every make and model.. which makes me wonder what the hell is he doing on this website</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duck &#8211; Holden made a very limited run [less than 500] of SS Wagons in the Previous model; inorder to help shift stock before the new VE assembly line [which took almost half of the billion dollar budget] was brought on line. </p>
<p>Oz &#8211; From what I have read on this website Frugal One doesn&#8217;t like cars at all.. I mean he only has negative things to say about every make and model.. which makes me wonder what the hell is he doing on this website</p>
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		<title>By: Oz.</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-49881</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong, &quot;Freckle-one&quot; doesn&#039;t like Ford or Holden he loves Toyotas, Looks at Landcruser posts, HE LOVES THEM!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong, &#8220;Freckle-one&#8221; doesn&#8217;t like Ford or Holden he loves Toyotas, Looks at Landcruser posts, HE LOVES THEM!</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-49871</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oz.,
I wouldnt call Fruagal One a ford person cause his not his a...................... Mazda CX-7 person...remember!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oz.,<br />
I wouldnt call Fruagal One a ford person cause his not his a&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. Mazda CX-7 person&#8230;remember!</p>
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		<title>By: Oz.</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-49867</link>
		<dc:creator>Oz.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr &quot;Frugal-one&quot;. Grow up and go back to your Holden forum. How will it spoil Ford&#039;s party? we don&#039;t even know what the new Falcon even looks like. but we already know what the Commodore wagon looks like, are you blind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr &#8220;Frugal-one&#8221;. Grow up and go back to your Holden forum. How will it spoil Ford&#8217;s party? we don&#8217;t even know what the new Falcon even looks like. but we already know what the Commodore wagon looks like, are you blind?</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-49859</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anybody tell me if i am right or wrong?

Didnt HOLDEN make a SS or/and a S VY Commodore Wagon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anybody tell me if i am right or wrong?</p>
<p>Didnt HOLDEN make a SS or/and a S VY Commodore Wagon?</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sedan gets 4 stars because Holden didn&#039;t want to donate a car for the side-intrusion pole test that could have earned it 5 stars. Apparently.

If I was Holden, I&#039;d just say, &quot;here, have one&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sedan gets 4 stars because Holden didn&#8217;t want to donate a car for the side-intrusion pole test that could have earned it 5 stars. Apparently.</p>
<p>If I was Holden, I&#8217;d just say, &#8220;here, have one&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9658/holden-announce-sportwagon-line-up/comment-page-1/#comment-49398</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom the ANCRAP Safety rating won&#039;t be known until just after the Wagon is released.. as the one in the pics is only a prototype/showcar.. built purely to get an idea of what the actual production car could/will look like

However; if Crash tests are that important to you you might want to chat to Mikka as he is also a big fan of such tests as well as surveys; and other manipulated statistics/figures. He&#039;d know,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom the ANCRAP Safety rating won&#8217;t be known until just after the Wagon is released.. as the one in the pics is only a prototype/showcar.. built purely to get an idea of what the actual production car could/will look like</p>
<p>However; if Crash tests are that important to you you might want to chat to Mikka as he is also a big fan of such tests as well as surveys; and other manipulated statistics/figures. He&#8217;d know,</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also in Sydney we have a fleet of Natural gas buses but we are not allowed to run our cars on the much cheaper and cleaner stuff because we need to sell it to Japan for 2 cents a litre... 

i wonder how many Swiss bank acounts are being feathered with that deal????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also in Sydney we have a fleet of Natural gas buses but we are not allowed to run our cars on the much cheaper and cleaner stuff because we need to sell it to Japan for 2 cents a litre&#8230; </p>
<p>i wonder how many Swiss bank acounts are being feathered with that deal????</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Name, i don&#039;t think Craig Simpson has heard of the word &quot;Benzine&quot; that stuff is really nasty, just google it and see for your self Craig.... the only cars that don&#039;t release Co2 or any other toxins are the 100 BMW hydrogen internal combustion v12 engines (just to prove that green can be powerfull).
 
That would be my preference over diesels any day, but until our governments get the guts to mandate hydrogen (made from sea water using solar, wind or even tidal energy)then diesel will still be a  better option than  than unleaded petrol!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Name, i don&#8217;t think Craig Simpson has heard of the word &#8220;Benzine&#8221; that stuff is really nasty, just google it and see for your self Craig&#8230;. the only cars that don&#8217;t release Co2 or any other toxins are the 100 BMW hydrogen internal combustion v12 engines (just to prove that green can be powerfull).</p>
<p>That would be my preference over diesels any day, but until our governments get the guts to mandate hydrogen (made from sea water using solar, wind or even tidal energy)then diesel will still be a  better option than  than unleaded petrol!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba Ganush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba Ganush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 06:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The calais should defonatley have pine veneer for sure!
It will add to the luxury.

7 styles of wagon thats very broad i wonder if they will scale back because surely not all 7 will be popular?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The calais should defonatley have pine veneer for sure!<br />
It will add to the luxury.</p>
<p>7 styles of wagon thats very broad i wonder if they will scale back because surely not all 7 will be popular?</p>
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