TRD Aurion on Qld Police fleet
21 Jan, 2008
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A new driving style is needed for some police in Queensland. The local wallopers have added a front-wheel-drive TRD Aurion to the pursuit lineup.
According to US site Autoblog, a reader just happened to be driving along, and came across this newly stickered police car. He followed it back to the station, where he queried officers about its dynamics, and whether it’s been worth having on the fleet.
Queensland police say that it’s more comfortable than local competitive offerings, yet has the same sort of punch that the V8 powered pursuit cars are reknowned for. Once the officers had adapted to the Aurion’s tendency to power understeer, they say that they’re overjoyed with the new car.
CarAdvice would love to hear what you think. Is the TRD Aurion the logical choice for a police pursuit car?
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:42 am
saw one here in townsville 2 weeks ago
the main thing i love about these is the interior is pretty darn sweet, especially for a camry!
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:05 am
It was only gonna be a matter of time before it happened. To be fair they should also get a few Magna’s and support some more Aussie made cars.
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:20 am
Personally i believe it to be a waste of money. What i struggle to fathom is why the police force needs to spend 60k on this car which they say goes close on matching the v8s when an ss commodore is under 50k? I dont prefer either car to the other so this isnt bias of brands. I just think its ridiculous the money spent on these cars. Its like the monaro gto highway cars… Why spent over 70k for a car that is bugger all quicker than an ss and handles maybe 5% better… Maybe im cynical but i see it as a waste of my taxes, maybe others think differently though.
Please note, im not saying police should drive rubbish cars. They need cars that are safe and handle etc. What i am against is spending up to 50% more for a car thats really no a great deal more competent just so it looks good in Police stickers!!
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Perfect for highway patrol where you don’t encounter too many tight corners.
But I have my doubts on how much they use it with a custom number plate fitted. It looks more like a special events/promo car or maybe an extra for a TV show (remember when Blue Heelers used Mazda 626s?).
Hey Toyota Paul, go clean yourself up before commenting
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:28 am
I don’t see any problem with using these as a pursuit vehicle. Once properly trained in the idiosyncrasies of properly driving a FWD car I could see it doing quite well.
What I would be interested in is its durability. How will they hold up to constant use and abuse? Guess time will tell.
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:31 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if Toyota had given the car away to the police as a publicity stunt (or at such cheap pricing it might as well be free).
I think the licence plate demonstrates that, how many normal police cars have customised plates.
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:54 am
It’ll turn up the Ks pretty quick & will be a good test of reliability. If at the end of its’ duties it is or not replaced by another TRD - that will be the most telling thing of all.
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:55 am
Or was it just made to keep the Toymotor fans happy?
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am
The first and only TRD i’ve seen on the street was a highway patrol like this.
Yeah, Toyota would had to of given it away to the QLD gov for nothing because we have SS and F6 Typhoon’s used up here,(which are alot better for the job than that thing).
supercujo, you right! TP you learn some self control first as we are NOT attacking a Toyota post.
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January 21st, 2008 at 10:00 am
Hey FordMan6! Maybe it was to make some people become a fan of Toyoda! LOL
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January 21st, 2008 at 10:10 am
Oz. Says:
supercujo, you right! TP you learn some self control first as we are NOT attacking a Toyota post.
Hey FordMan6! Maybe it was to make some people become a fan of Toyoda! LOL
I would call that baiting…
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January 21st, 2008 at 10:35 am
The Qld Govt. don’t pay the add on state & fed. taxes when purchasing vehicles for police work.
They then sell them at market price, sometimes only 6 months old with 40k on the dial. Often for more than it cost to purchase in the first place. Cost netrual so no need to worry about your taxes!
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January 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am
i saw one of these patrolling around noosa last week when i was there on holidays. Just the thing for pulling up speeding drunk grandpa’s on their way home from the bowls club.
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January 21st, 2008 at 11:35 am
Having had this thing rip past me with lights and siren ablaze at well north of 160km/h on the Bruce Highway, I can assure you it’s being used in anger.
More options = More Competition = Good
There are quite a few unmarked Aurion ZR6 floating around Brisbane (burgundy one around Sinnamon Park/Jindalee, silver one around Kedron Park).
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January 21st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
this is stupid for the same money they could of got a typhoon or a ss for less money. what a waste of tax payers money
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January 21st, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Love the number plate
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January 21st, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Saw one of these at Coomera.
HEAT on the number plate stands for “Help Eliminate Auto Theft”.
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January 21st, 2008 at 12:50 pm
I thought it stood for ” Help Everyone Another Toyota!
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January 21st, 2008 at 1:02 pm
For its fuel usage, this would be awesome comparable to a regular V8, considering that these cars put in several hours a day…
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January 21st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
The Aurion TRD Patrol Car will have to catch me first….I wouldn’t need to leave 2nd gear
What a waste of money. They could of purchased a HSV or FPV which would leave it for dead……If it was undercover then maybe but its marked.
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January 21st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
government might spend more $$ for the aurion but they look at it this way….its not in the workshop for warranty repairs all the time like falcons and commodores also it most likely more fuel efficent and cheaper costs too…i doubt governments wouldnt go pay for more if it didnt mean in the long term they actually saved
noticed here in nsw mitsubishi 380s are becoming norm for police patrol cars….im suspecting cause government here is getting them for peanuts also im pretty sure they are reliable too
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January 21st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
4 door WRX is the perfect cop car.
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January 21st, 2008 at 2:37 pm
The F6 Typhoon is the ultimate cop weapon! This aurion is a waste of money. I think it’s a publicity stunt, just like many like it in the past. Alfa’s, Lotus, etc.
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Trust me people, don’t laugh at this car because i did until i drove one in Mackay 3 weeks ago and to be all honest, i wouldn’t hesitate for a second to park one in my garage if i had the money.
Accleration was impressive, handling superb while the brakes were bloody awesome and yeap, all this for a front wheeler.
If poeple would have taken notice on the various reports that have covered this car they would have noticed that torque steer has only been the real gripes but then again, underdone brakes on HSV’s and FPV’s are gripes i have with them.
Did anyone read the latest Wheels comparo of the Subi, Falcon and Aurion because the TRD received some very positive comments while they were not overly confident with the brakes on the Ford.
Bloody nice car by all means.
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Nipper: Who came out on top between the Falcon, Subi or TRD?
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:27 pm
VERY NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE… theres one for the TRD detractors (ie most if not all Ford fairies on this site) to take in, a copper who gets to actually push these things on public roads being impressed with a TRD Aurion.
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Stupid they should get FPV’s or HSV’s some good aussie car’s not asian crap
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Supercujo……………that didn’t work!
Paul was that necessary?……hey I got Cobra 045 to reply to Mikka you may want to read it……go to the TRD Hilux unveiling in Brisbane!
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:37 pm
just thought i would let you caradvice boys know there is actually a hummer police car (a real on not a mock up or anything) in Bairnsdale in East Gippsland in Victoria. Apparently (according to an article in the Bairnsdale Advertiser) given to the victorian police by GM Prem. to lift the brand profile.
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:40 pm
fair call nipper, but the torque steer on a FWD car cant be fixed, brakes can be upgraded
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Supercujo……the XR6T came out on top………hahaha.He neglected to say that!and at $12,000 cheaper than the TRD I think its great value too! Looks like we have another biff and barg match about to start……..
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January 21st, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Your trying to start it BM. Somehow a TRD lets you travel in more class (way better interior, way more features) than an XR6T. Bluntly, the XR6T is a poor mans performance car (a good one at that… but thats what it is, rough around the edges when it comes to features)
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January 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pm
It would be a good car…if it was rear wheel drive. It will probably be a good highway patrol car because it would use less fuel than a SS or XR8. If toyota had have engineered the Aurion as a RWD car it would have given Commodore and Falcon a real workout in the sales department, just because of Toyota’s build quality and reliable reputation…another good reason why it would make a good highway patrol car - it would spend more time working the streets rather than being worked on in the ’shop - which may not be seen as a good thing by all those in the fireing line of its radar.
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January 21st, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Here to stir the pot again BM?…
I honest don’t believe it would have made one iota of difference whether it was awd or rwd. Too many people see this car as a threat and hence we have the hostility, which I find rather amusing.
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January 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pm
A threat to rear wheel drive, what the!!!! where do you get your clouded thoughts from Titan…to many peace pipes….
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January 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Greg, I didn’t insult you so I would expect the same in return. As it is now, it obviously can’t be directly compared to and hence threaten rwd, so yes you are correct. But I still believe that the intense debate this car generates whenever it is mentioned is a clear indication that some people are uncomfortable that it might become bit more than a just another boring toyota.
Just my opinion. You are most welcome to disagree but I would appreciate it if you did not insult me.
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January 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Matt, what do u mean by good aussie cars as falcon, crapodore and aurion are all made in aus by overseas owned car companies u ass!!!!!!!!! Maybe the Qld police decided to give it a go as they got sick of the other offerings being at the dealers being repaired/recalled or having to top up the oil before each pursuit! Lets not forget the way police drive cars a V8 will use 17 litres per 100.
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Me stir the pot Titan and Paul……….Im simply putting the facts straight for you Titan!
XR6 poor man performance car….so what does that make the TRD ? What do class a real performance car then…….does it matter what it costs?
I am yet to read a good write up loving the TRD over our other home grown product …..unless you can show me one !
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Bavarian Missile Says:
“Supercujo……the XR6T came out on top………hahaha.He neglected to say that!and at $12,000 cheaper than the TRD I think its great value too!”
Couldn’t agree with you more, I too think it is a great car. Would I get one? No, but that has to do with prior experiences with Ford.
Is the TRD overpriced? Of course it it is and I do not believe it is value for money especially since it costs approximately $18000 more than its donor car the SX6. But being over priced doesn’t necessarily make it a bad car.
“Looks like we have another biff and barg match about to start……”
That’s stirring the pot
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
No thats what happens……..when Paul gets on here calling us FORD FAIRIES………
I wasn’t asking a question but making a statement!
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Toyota fans… if you read the first part of that article regardon Lib vs XR6T vs TRD….
if the money came in to this the typhonn would of been in the test as the phoon is only 2000 more…. but would be a waste of time… its on a whole different level… too fast and too pretty… to good….
FPV dont have problems with brakes… ford cars maybe not FPV… FPV have used there brains and they have Brembos fitted to them… not normal brakes like Ford…
TRD = 0-100km/h = 6.1sec
Phoon = 0-100Km/h = 5.4sec
( my code word is FPV…. LOL )
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Fair enough BM, sounds like a just cause
If he dishes it out then he should be able to take it. I don’t fancy being caught up in the middle of it judging by other similar “biff and barg match’s” so I shall leave it at that. Have fun
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January 21st, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Phoon = No curtain airbags
Ive listed all the differences before and I couldnt b bothered again, when Orion comes out yes hte Typhoon is better… as it stands its more expensive for less features.
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January 21st, 2008 at 9:55 pm
I don’t see the point of having FPV, TRD or HSV Police cars… why do it? Sure enough there is the extra amount of power… but that just means the extra amount of chance of crashing. There is more tax money put into buying these more expensive cars when there is no need. The amount of times cop cars crash, is just a complete waste of money! QLD, take a leaf outta VIC’s book, stick with the norms, where i live, we have a couple of SS Crewman Paddy Wagons, a whole bunch of VE Omegas, an XR6T and a VE SS. All of these cars wouldn’t break the barrier of $55k.
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January 21st, 2008 at 10:21 pm
XR8 & SS Vic Police cars couldn’t catch the 20 year old last year doing 255km/h (they only caught up to him when he hit suburbia & went down a dead end street) in country Victoria in an STI, what hope would this thing have…
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January 21st, 2008 at 11:32 pm
And you have the most crap laws in victoria to go with the grandma cars
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January 21st, 2008 at 11:33 pm
with all the mixed responses going on, the stirring and so on.. how about ..
Well done Toyota, there was obviously a fair bit of thought before the car would have been taken in.
I’m sure the proper/concerned people would have tested, ran the figures and concluded that it would be worthwhile to have the car in the fleet. I’ve seen HEAT 1 on a marked car down @ Goldcoast also there is a Honda Accord Euro in dark grey going around. Nothing wrong with the police having a bit of range in their fleet. Be it Japanese cars.. (does that make me anti-Aussie now? (puts on flame protection)
So while the debate will continue on here about ‘Omg its a fwd it cannot possibly be good, the Ford is such and such or the Holden does blah ‘ : doesn’t stop the fact that a TRD Aurion is out patrolling and none of your posts will stop that..
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January 21st, 2008 at 11:36 pm
ChopstaR87 - I was going to mention the Brembos on FPV cars too
Pablo - Don’t they usually call off such high speed pursuits for saftey reasons and call ahead? No matter how fast a car is, it can’t beat a police radio.
Wogboy - I have seen the odd 380 cop car as well, under-reated car and I’d assume they get them very cheap.
Stone - I’d tend to agree Toyota probably struck a deal which makes this more advertising/marketing. TRD Aurion is porbably very capable and a nice looking car, but there are cheaper, faster options.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 12:01 am
Watto - They usually do call chases off when it gets too dangerous. The news reported that the police couldn’t keep up - why would they quote an exact speed of 255 if they didn’t keep going…
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January 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 am
i think its not a question whether they could keep up or not. they just pull away and have a chopper with one of those special cameras to track you into which ever area you go. no sense in endangering your own life when you can catch the culprit sooner or later easily.
would be nice if they did have a nissan GTR as a high speed pursuit car. faster and easier to drive than any other supercar. and maybe not that expensive if compared to say a ferrari-based pursuit car.
come to think of it….a lamborgini murcielago would look more menacing.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 am
http://images.google.co.uk/img.....n%26sa%3DN
for a Lambo police car
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:06 am
Pablo - I don’t know the particulars of that story, good question, how did they know it was 255?
Not long ago, a BMW fled police in my area, they caught up to him several times then he’d flee again. Eventually, his engine blew (in/near Wangaratta I think) because this bloke was really hammering it. Apparently he’d done a few track days before so could certainly drive.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 am
i thought cops coulnt pursue over 140kmh anyway??
why do they need that power?
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 am
Cops in Qld need all the help they can get from fast cars because the tight arse Govt. won’t buy a chopper like every other mainland state in Aus.
No defined speed to call off pursuits, it’s an ongoing assessment of the seriousness of the alleged crime, traffic conditions, time, location and political ramifications of grub killing themselves and everyone else. Not an easy decision.
But a vehicle capable of high bursts of speed, good handling with high visibility make the likelihoon of a pursuit less appealing to said grub!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 am
Asian cars being Japanese only are vastly superior to Australian cars by 8 years.
WRX is the perfect car because its light, 4X4, fast, 4 door and nimble.
Fords and Holdens are just used because they get deals like new holdens for $11000aus for a new car.
In melbourne they had a HSV Clubsport with the no. Plate HSV GTO…
Yes um if this wasnt a publicity stunt then I dont know what is.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:29 am
It is like the Police are encouraging people to buy a 240kw FWD car……….very dissapointed!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Hey Elitist, it would be great to have a rex as a cop car, but only for the fun you could have.
Not real practical rocking up at a pub brawl and trying to squeeze a 130kg Samoan in the back!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
Duck, using your theory perhaps cops should be driving around in Smarts?
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 am
Bavarian - were are your responses on the other blog sense you hopelessly tried to fetch ‘Sideshift Cobra’ onto me but more importantly … you are not their participating with your so called world of wealth.
Supercujo - do exactly what Bavarian said and go and have a look at the our little slog out.
Turns out Cobra is nothing afterall.
Gee Bavarain … that is going to squash your aspiartions a wee bit.
Take note bloggers - Wallowing Missile is OK when the going is light but when it heats up she’s outta there quicker then a dart but then trys to participate a wee bit through others and not by the standing of her own two legs.
oh yeah Bavarian … once gain - were is Cobra’s contract for Rio Tinto because after countless requests from your offer - i still yet to site it.
Whats going on … why the delay !!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 am
Duck - have to better then encouraging people to buy inferior quality cars with questionable brakes.
Gee … if i was highway patrolmen i would be asking myself will the brakes hold up or am i lost at the next bend.
Apart from that - the poor ‘ole tax payer being us are the ones having to fund the undobted never ending saga of mechanical and electrical failings.
Yeah sure Joe’s Garage is loving it but my concern is the unneccsary added strain on the already underfunded budget for law enforcement.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 am
Dingo. Please keep this on topic.
If you want to discuss personal matters, there’s a forum.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 am
Dingo, I have no firm alleigance to any make, but Toyota is currently our worst performing work vehicle in terms of saga and repair waiting time.
We have a ‘07 hilux 2wd dual cab.
The auto transmission wouldn’t go into park after less than 5000k. Sent it back to Toyota and 10 weeks later still don’t have it back.
The vehicle ran over a Toyota mechanic at the dealership when they started it in park. The car took off running over the mechanic. Very serious. All from our wonderful reliable Toyota!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:17 am
^And if he does it, I hope he keeps it on one topic.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 am
Stevo,
And no i am not saying they should drive SMARTS, they shouldnt drive a front wheel drive car that is not safe to drive!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 am
It’s a matter of practice and experience. Having owned and driven front wheel turbo powered vehicles with horrendous torque steer, it is not nearly so bad when you expect it and have a knowledge of what it is going to do. Don’t plant your foot overtaking the first 10 minutes you’re in the car, but slowly explore the limits and the quirks of the car. In the wet front wheel drive gives you heaps of understeer that is easy to control by using the throtle. In the dry, be ready to catch it. Traction control does most of this for you today.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Karl - exactly, keep it on subject and stop with wallowing that most like to do.
Actually - i’ll better that … why don’t we keep the bullsh*t out of it and speak what is more rather to the point then wallowing with crap.
I’ll begin - the TRD Aurion is bloody damn good first effort from a recently established local TRD outlet that has managed to enhance a regular Aurion into one that has commendable pace, handling dynamics and braking capacity while being a quality, refined car let down down by a hefty price tag and torque steer.
On the other hand - HSV’s and FPV’s are long term established players and benefit from an eatablished market that are powerful and great handlers but let down by poorer quality standards hence thier often troubling nature and underdone braking capacity that so many say can be fixed by beefing up the brakes but for some reason after all these year has yet accured
So … the question is - do you take a poor quality, unreliable car that has plenty of torque and RWD cabability or a highly refined, high quality FWD with torque steer ofset by commenable power surge, handling capability and brakes that love to STOP.
Thats’ pretty much the sum of it … wouldn’t you agree !!
Or - if that is all to boring then the Holden/Ford clowns can indentify the negative issues associate with Toyota while us Toyota folks can follow suit towards Fords and Holdens.
Stevo - really … of all the thousands of examples that have been sold over the years there has been a few mishaps has there.
Well, well, well - one would have never guessed that but ha … we all know no were near as many incidences that have accured over the years compared to Holden and Ford though … haa !!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
I bet the police would not have this car if it was not a total marketplace dud. Toyota can’t shift them, even with substantial discounts (losses?). Doesn’t mean that there is actually anything wrong with the car, just that nobody sees any value and wants to buy them. Qld police would have had a very good deal on this.
Dingo - really? Most everybody else can see that you got an absolute flogging on the other post, again and again and again. The worst kind of loser is one who won’t admit it! You argue like a woman (sorry BM). You rant & rave untill you realise that your beaten, then you change the subject with “I’m not gonna talk about that anymore”, without ever acknowledging your mistakes!!!!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Well, i drive one of these things and i can tell you that compared to the Typhoon we had this is crap. No room, no power and handling from the 19th century. Bring back the typhoon and ditch this rubbish along with the SS
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January 22nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Just for your information, Toyota’s are the most recalled cars worldwide so whats the bet thE yawnium will spend the same if not more time in the dealerships. Don’t forget the Yawnium TRD was withheld off sale before it even came on sale to the public and dont forget about those well documented prangs one of which I saw in the Melbourne CBD. Oh the fouldunnycan and the Yawnium have nothing on the Commodore. Commodore rules you hear. Australias number one individually bought vehicle in Australia for over z decade losers. This year again it will be Australia’s number one and with the immenent release of the sportswagon in Omega, SV6, Berlina, Calais, Calais V, SS and SS V just watch the increase to Commodore attributed to the Wagon. Remember in all the years gone by their have only been a Executive and Berlina Wagon with rare limited releases of SS and Calais Wagons over the years. Imagine the sales the SS and SS V wagons are going to generate if you go by the sales of the sedan and ute. It is going tobe huge. I have already puta order and deposit on one even though the drive away price is yet to be announced. A 10 grand deposit was all I needed to ensure a delivery date well ahead of those who will be put on the waiting list for months due to demand.
Oh and to all those GM and Ford haters who hate them because the come from America stop using the american term ASS which is for your information a donkey not someones posterior. Arse is the word, always has been always will be in the Australian English Language. You are hypocrits for saying the U.S. are hopeless if you still use their English.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Holden Cars, don’t forget peolpe who love Hollywood TV shows, yet hate USA.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Bret - fairdinkum pal … you are just killing me.
And better still … please o please give us bloggers a resource that shows that Toyota IS NOT selling the TRD Aurion within it’s own expectations.
I will patiently await your humble reply.
And please … don’t get me wrong or anything because i am not being mean but just rather politely requesting you ‘accurate’ source of information of which will happen to be classed as ‘more crap’ if you ‘just happen’ not be able to suply
We don’t want that now do we Mr Bret
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Very true Oz, where our country is well behind the U.S. is patriosm. We are losing our unique Aussie personality with these people who use Foreign comapnies that have been in Aus only since th mid to late 60’s use foreign terms for our unique language and then have the nerve to call us Bogans. Bring back Aussie pride. General motors maybe a U.S. Company but Holden is as dinki di as Victa mowers, clothes lines, the Flight recorder black box and vegimiye just to start with. Holden was around in Aus well before Gm bought into it.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Meat Kangaroo Pies - just for info, Toyota is not the most recalled in the world but rather Ford and that said - the Crapodre just happens to be Australias most recalled toilet even though it is ’supposedly’ designed for Australian bums…. Ooouch
OH WHAT A FEELING - TOYOTA
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
To meat cars and Kangaroos with footballs maybe a bit of “spell check” might be in order so i can understand what the F****k you are on about!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Dingo..
Is there anything that you dont profess to be an expert at!! What the hell would you know about FPV’s!!! Its good to see you are pissing everyone off in here which seems to be the norm for you.. Maybe you should finally reallise you are a d@#khead!! Someone has just quoted you hard proven data yet you seem think you know it all and dispute it. Go and get the proof before you open your trap!! WE proved you to be an imposter elsewhere so you move here to annoy other people. No one cares what you think!! Your credibility is non existent!!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Kangaroo meat Pies - this is were people like yourself are completely lost in La La Land.
Not only has Holden been a 100% owned American company for inexcess of fifty years, but every commodore bar the VE have been nothing more then just adapted Opel designs with predominately American (or Nissan) engines.
GM doesn’t give a shit about Holden being Australian just the shear funny fact that they can continue to sell to twits by advertsing how Australian they are…. of which they are not.
For a company thay is supposedly Oz they have supplied this nation with some te worst engineered vehicles to have ever graced our roads and today is no differnt with all that Daewoo crap they import.
Were was Holden during one of our most historic Australian undertakings - The Snowy Mountain Scheme … NOT THERE but Toyota was
Who sponsors are very OWN NATIONAL SPORT … i’ll give a clue - NOT HOLDEN.
Infact … this great nation of ours is predomiantely driven my our hard working Farmers, Tradies, Industry Workers and Miners yet does Holden have the dignity to supply this great land with reputable workhorses to satisfy the requirements of such demanding tasks … once again - i will help you … NO THEY DON’T BY A LONG SHOT!!
FACTS ARE FACTS and for a so called Australian company Holden would be the company i would expect nothing less from but haa … NO SHOW
Apart from that … Ford, Toyota and Mitsubishi all manufacture hence supply employment oppurtunites in this country as much as Holden while Toyota actually participates in some of the REAL AUSTRALIA ACTIVITIES.
Again - King of the ‘outback’ of which just happpens to more Australian then anything else in this nation yet once gain - i ask the question - were is Holden because the last time i checked … it was Toyota ruling the roost by a long shot.
You see Kangaroo Meat - a bashed up, mud splashed, whipp aerialled covered 70 series Cruiser with a cattle aboard is more Australianed to me to any current product from Holden would ever be.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
whatever!!.. you are not listening!! clean out your ears.. no one cares what you think!!!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
So now your over here pratlling on….you certainly lost some credabilty today mate……..seeya!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pm
Okay guys, I think this gone off topic, if u want to discuss the Toyota vs the rest of the world debate, the forum is a great place to start!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
No offence taken Bret…….
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Alborz, it’s an argument section ATM, GRRRR!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Ive allready emailed him to get him banned!!!!!!Cobra045 is real fired up has contacted his work site….we were happy to leave it and he starts again!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Good idea…..Alborz…..come on over Dingo…..Ill start a post just for you! Unless your not a member yet?
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January 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
sorry everybody if dingo’s attitude has spilled over here.. he is causing trouble elsewhere and bags us at any opportunity even on other chats that we are not even invloved in. Our biggest mistake was getting sucked in as he doesnt stop.. like a fire the more you feed it the more it goes.. so do yourself a favour and just ignore him and if we are lucky he will go away..
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January 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
And When he goes on the topic, try and make him talk to himself.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Back to the subject.
Good on Toyota for having the balls to invest money on a performance car in this nation’s struggling motor industry.
Looking at all the negativity around & the declining sales of large Aussie made cars, I commend Toyota for having a crack.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Amen Pablo… all this criticism, what people dont realise is that a genuine competitor in this area means us consumers get more features at lower prices. Aurion is a perfect example, offered class leading features and now they all match it with their special editions. Even goes onto future designs, Aurion hits 200kw barrier now Falcon will want to beat that. We benefit from Toyota taking on a declining market!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:19 pm
60 k plus for a police car what a rip off. Must be a Toyota lover involved with the tendering process. I bet the government pays no where near this amount.
Imagine the depreciation after 40,000klms. Nearly double the price for extra 30kws.
A 32k Aurion add a 2k supercharger and the police are chasing the wrong robbers. Perfect ripoff for Toyota diehards.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:31 pm
I bet Toyota undercut Ford and Holden big time on price for the kudos of having a Aurion Turd in Police livery. I bet Toyota would give these things to the police for next to nothing to enhance the Aurion image.
Toyota are too clever at marketing I tip my hat to them.
They only ask the gulliable public to pay over 60k for the TuRD which they will when they see them being used as Highway Patrol cars. A lot cheaper image building than touring car racing.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Yes Dingo and the REAL bosses have Japanese names I think u’ll find.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Yes Realcars and do you think they paid full price for the Typhoons? Or even XR8s and SS’s? Wake up mate… surely you aint that slow, from a manufacturers point of view its about some sales revenue but alot about marketing
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January 22nd, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Run Rodney run Rodney run run from the QLD Police…..
u know the rest.
They should have kept the Widebody design. Oh what a looker that was.
I repeat what a ripoff.
Get a standard Aurion fit an aftermarket supercharger and save 30k and u have created a TuRD. Oh what a feeling!!!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Sorry everybody but Cobra tried to challenge myself in a debate and came of second best.
However … that was not the real issue that came tolight but rather his considerable time at work utilised for his own personal habits because he is an office worker shuffling paper from one corner of the desk to another while some honest workers actually put in an honest days effort for an honest days pay.
For those whom are interested visit the debate under the TRD Hilux topic to draw your conclusions.
Who do you reckon our employer (Rio Tinto) will be intetested in … me at home on my days off or Cobra at work !!
Note the hours and from morning to afternoon.
Mmmm …. it aint that hard .
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Bavarain - you wonna get me banned because you lost fair and square.
Then again … being a typIcal Ford/Holden bogon you would be rather used to that each time the going gets tough so call be a ban for the easy way out.
Just like you twits done against Nissan - got your arses kicked fair and squeare then protested for a ban.
Not much self worth in that …
But then again - sense Toyota can now outsell Holden and Ford combined i guess the bulk of the general public are finally drawing thier own conclusons.
HAA … LIFE IS GREAT !!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Get a Daewoo, glue on a Lion badge and sell it as a Holden but don’t tell the young lass she just drove away in a 2 star death can.
OH WHAT A HORRID FEELING … HOLDEN
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Best way to rip of a customer.
Build a car and call it the billion dollar baby, source an obsolete 4 clunker and a underpowered gruff donk, forget the air conditioning, supply a bycicle tire as the spare, guarantee only 1 recall within the first 12 months but infact give notice for three then charge the same amount for an Aurion.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Best way to kill your reputation … biuld an ordinary family hack under the disguise of a billion dollar baby, advertise that it comparable to that of the worlds very best but then never come forth to support the claim.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Bestway to make people forget about the aussie 5.0 ltr.
Source a questionable large capacity donk, tell everybody it goes like the clappers, advertise it as the thunder struck car but don’t mention a word that it will rid more oil then the Exxon Valdez, slap itself silly and probably sieze just outside of warranty so you will be forced to buy another … oh yeah - and that you are Australian.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Realcaras I wont argue its pricey… as far as Im concerned so are the FPVs and HSVs. But its unique, you buy one not many other people around your neighbourhood have it (not just another FORD or HOLDEN that no-one bothers to turn their heads at), thats a good thing for most people… so this along with its features offered and refinment are strong positives.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:15 pm
Dingo, going off with the dogma again…CRAP! LOL.
TP “…But its unique, you buy one not many other people around your neighbourhood….” Do yourself a favour - save the massive $$$ between Sportivo and TRD as not much difference and Sportivo looks good. Well minimal difference between Aurion in base form and TRD Aurion aside from rear exhausts, grille, and the curvy front air intake makes for minimal visual differentiation. Unlike HRT. Ford lesser then HRT for differentiation.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Dingo: I think you’ll find the main reason Holden say that the the VE is equal to or better than a BMW [in their TV advertisement] is because thats what the reputable/respectable journalists from Wheels Motor and magazine as wellas Drive said about it.. So there is your evidence.
Not only that but just recently GM flew a few credentialled International Journos out here from the States UK and Europe.. to test it for themselves
A number of them were equally impressed some even said that they wished it was sold back home [in Europe]
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:39 pm
i was going to post a couple of on topic things relating to police vehicles etc,
but after reading yet some more total off topic rubbish i dont feel the need to participate in a resourcefull manner as it seems some people only want to come here and ruin what others say.
Once again Alborz take note!!!!!
please start deleting some posts.
dingo has not had one meaningfull post anywhere on this site.
you dont need to ban him but rather simply delete the rubbish that gets spilled.
PLEASE REMOVE THIS RUBBISH
I am totally over it!!!!!!!!!
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Oh and just like the ANCRAP tests which take a small number of cars of a particular model inorder to judge the safety of the overall model/series/range.
With recalls.. The reason Holden stated a large figure like 80000 was to cover the approximate number of cars made in the period from X-Y. yet the number of cars actually affected might only be less than 5,000
I mean just because 5 individual models of a particular range or series of cars were able to achieve the [almighty] 5 star safety rating doesn’t necessarily mean the one in your garage is equally “safe”..
Who knows your car might actually have a fault - say the side airbags.. which if you were in the same situation as those in the ANCRAP tests could fail and end up killing you.. yet the manufacturer didn’t notice or tell you about.
Therefore just because 10,000 cars are affected by a particular fault doesn’t necessarily mean the other 80000+ are crap
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Wheelnut, I think the real reason would be to sell more of their product. I doesn’t hurt to tell the average joe that the car they are considering buying is equivalent or better than one of the worlds most recognisable prestigious marques.
It’s called advertising and they all do it.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
thats exactlly right wheelnut,
but dont waste your time ive spun that line before too and im a ford fan!!!!
ive clearly pointed out that holden has only cleverly regurgetated what journos have said about the car.
i have also pointed out that sponsoring the AFL is simply putting your name on the biggest Billboard in Australia yet Dingo still thinks toyota dont claim a tax deduction for it and do it out of the kindness of their heart and with no intention of promoting their brand
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Also wheelnut he doesnt realise that fords and holdens have dominated the family (and other classes) car safety ratings for many years with ford especially being renowned as the safest family car you can get
Wheelnut, mate do yourself a favour and dont bother with him. it will be valuable time of your lifespan you wont get back. go find a brick wall, at least you will get some fresh air outside
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January 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Has any1 bought a new pathfinder diesel ST -L what sort of deal should i be getting driveaway 07 08 plated
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January 22nd, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Andrew - my comment about Toyota sponsoring AFL has nothing to do with tax rights offs and what ever else may go behind closed doors.
However, the fact remains that Toyota sponsors our very own national sport and considering Holden likes to play the ‘We Are Australian’ card then i question why the Lion has not been able to secure such a promotion.
And for the sponsors that Holden does satisfy … it would be nieve to deny that Holden isn’t receiving it fair share of grabs just like Ford Australia and Mitsubishi.
No company is any different to any other on this matter so be resonable.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Andrew - according to the lastest NCAP findings last year … it was infact the Aurion of which achieved the highest rating.
Considering Holden advertised heavily how the VE would be Australia’s safetst car, the aged Falcon was only marginally behind the all new Commodore platform while the Aurion achieveD a commenDable 30/37 rating against the VE’s 27/37.
I thought you would fing it interesting to note
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January 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 pm
so why the hell does toyota sponsoring the AFL get a special mention????
so does toyota sponsor AFL to grab the attention of the largest available audience, or out of the kindness of their heart?
if you think it is the second option then you are truely showcasing your one eyed view of toyota.
also living in QLD i thought you would have realised that AFL means stuff all to us QLD’rs.
but then again the southerners love it because it does statistically have the largest audience and we cant argue with that
so does toyota sponsor AFL because…..
(a) they are able to promote/advertise to the largest avaliable audience,
(b) or out of the kindness of their heart
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January 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Dingo,
just read my comment a little more carefully,
i know the falcon didnt take the safest gong this year but i said they have pretty much always taken it in the past.
they will regain it once orion lands im sure.
you summed it up perfectly when you said it was an “aging falcon” tested against the brand spanking competition.
you cant deny ford has a great safety history on their side. the Aurion is one of the safest cars they have ever had and it beats their previous attempts by a country mile, so it seems they to are learning from what our aussie made gear offers……
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January 22nd, 2008 at 9:46 pm
Andrew - no company big or small sponsors out of the kndness of thier hearts and Toyota is no exception to the rule so don’t dig them on the matter any more then you would others.
Of course it is about capturing a large audinace - why else would they do it for.
Regardless, the benefit of such sponsorships is mutual as the game recieves added financial support so once again - why isn’t Holden of which is supposedly an ‘Australian’ company sponsoring our very own indigenous game.
I’m not being nasty - i’m just asking the question !!
Yes … Ford does have a good safty record and most certainly a more notable one then that of Holden but so do other manufactuers including Toyota.
And don’t be so sure that the Orion will gain the mantle because that’s exactly what all the hype was about with the VE yet when it came to cruch time - it didn’t square up as exoected so until the Orion has been officially tested - don’t assume otherwise.
Remember - Ford have a restictive budget with the Orion so it just may not shape up as expected … but then again - it just aswell could.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
One question for Dingo/Mikka. Do you consider Brembo brakes rubbish? Because that’s what FPV use. Brembo is used by Formula 1, Ferrari, Porsche, AMG and Champ Car teams.
The following is from FPV’s site.
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Performance Brakes
Up front, huge 355mm x 32mm cross drilled and slotted front rotors with Brembo 4 piston calipers and 328mm x 26mm cross drilled rear rotors with red single piston calipers and are standard on GT.
Premium Brakes
For the ultimate in stopping power choose the FPV Premium brake package, which consists of 355mm x 32mm cross drilled and slotted front rotors with Brembo 6 piston calipers and 330mm x 28mm cross cross drilled rear rotors with Brembo 4 piston calipers. Standard on GT-P and optional on GT.
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I know SS’ are known to have brake fade after only 3 laps of a race track, but HSV use a similar brake package to FPV.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
marketers follow stats of viewers very closely before they decide where to advertise. holden has found they can do better with their money else where and toyota has found that exposure to the AFL audience should be beneficial to them.
i just shake my head cause every time you bring up the sponsorship issue in one of your rants you stand heavily as if toyota donates to AFL.
ford sponsors cricket, the great game that is every aussies favourite past time yet no special mention there.
IMO all the falcon is lacking for crash ratings now is curtain airbags or those other silly devices.
they already have they hardest part to put together and that is the actual safety related directly to the design of the actual structure.
im not starting stuff but from what ive seen regarding safety results toyota has had no where near the good safety history ford has had over the years.
dont forget toyotas last offerings before aurion dont fare too well.
remember the avalon?
all the E series falcon rate better than that
even the landcruiser you love so much doesnt rate above american yank tank explorer
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:36 pm
Watto - i appreciate the effort you have gone to highlight the brake characteristics but unfortunately it all means very little when the braking package on FPV’s and particularly HSV’s are underdone.
It is my understanding that it has little to do with the brakes themselves but more rather the weight they are trying arrest.
Read the latest Wheels article and once again the issue on the Falcon is highlighted but todate the braking capacity of the TRD Aurion has received wide spread comments about thier stopping power and the fact that exhibit strong resistance from the effects of fading
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Andrew - all companies have come leaps and bounds in recent years regarding safety because of the growing expectations from consumers but some have moved forward more then others.
Now, Ford in Australia currently exhibits a good standard for safety just like Toyota. Holden … well, they don’t fair aswell.
And i wouldn’t comment to much about the Explorer in America because that is the vehicle that claimed 279 lives with the tyre issue that is still being played out in court.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I’ve never driven an FPV so can’t comment. I will be test an Orion Typhoon prior to buying one.
The standard brakes on my standard Falcon seem very good to me.
High-performance Brembo’s have to be a WHOLE LOT better. I like spirited driving and have tested out my brakes pretty well, but certainly am not a street racer, so I’m sure they’ll do just fine.
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January 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Watto - fair call !!
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January 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 am
Its ridiculous how blind some really are.. the “tribalists” mentality is bad with some of the people here.
First off… Holden is owned by GM… an American car.
There is no such thing as Aussie car…. maybe adopted as Australian cars. Holden answers to GM… Ford AUS answers to well.. Ford.. in US.
Aurion/Camry, Holden VE, Ford BA… all give employment to Australians… thousands of Australians.
I can tell you out of them 3, Toyota has the most happiest and content employees at the plant. Holden and Ford recently just sacked a lot of Australians due to some re-shifting… although Ford may give some jobs back when they get the Focus here in a couple of years…. but thats not guaranteed… and who will wait 2 years for a job?
Its just ignorance to see people hate on Toyota because its a Japanese company. Its not fair really… the Aurion/Camry is as much Australian as the Fords and Holdens over there… The Camry made there is actually being imported in far more numbers than any of the other locally made cars… if anything Australians should be proud of them. Because Australians made them.
Yes Holden and GM have designers there… but so does Toyota. And for Toyota to continue to produce more satisfying jobs and guaranteed jobs for Australians… some of you people need to get over the ignorant attacks on Toyota, specifically condemning them of exporting cash out of the country… when Ford and Holden does it too.
Now back on topic… well, I agree cop cars should have a budget of 40K… the amount of cameras on the high ways in melbourne does enough damage to speeders… hot pursuit cars are just adding to the danger in chasing speedsters.
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January 23rd, 2008 at 8:12 am
Jamison - could not have said it better myself.
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January 23rd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Jamison,
just quickly,
if ford has already sacked the I6 assembly line workers then who is going to be making those fabulous motors for the next 2 yrs?
I6 goes in 2010 and focus starts in 2010
ive read many of reports from ford employees and they are very pleased in the way ford is being informative and helpfull. they also say it isnt as the media portrays it
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January 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Toyota have been peddling their wares to police forces in most, if not all, states. The responce from most of the assessors has been “no thanks” (not even at that discounted price). At least one police force rated the Aurion as a “light duty” vehicle only - ie. suitable for door knocking and speed camera cars.
Qld however accepted the offer, not just for TRD’s but also std Aurions. And no, I don’t know the logic used in either decision (to accept or reject).
But here’s a thought: TRD Hilux paddy wagon. It might just be a versatile cop-mobile, but price may kill it.
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April 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Hey guys,
Ill tell you all this
“A true enthusiest respects the car for what it is, not what badge its got on it” im probably a more knowladgable enthusiest here take it from me,
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April 7th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Truely the words of an enthusiest, well spoken Max
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April 7th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
And QPS favourite pursuit car to date……
Drum roll please?
The F6
I’m sure the Aurion is a great car, but I pity the poor sucker who has to sit in the back seat.
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April 7th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Hey again,
I dont understand why some people make such fools of them self on thread posts, oh and dingo ur an absolute idiot, go bak to school.
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April 28th, 2008 at 9:39 am
I support the culling of Dingos
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