The aurion is a different class altogether. I was referring to the economy class and commercial line ups

Smart arse..but a cute one at that!hehehe See that time on the cross trainer has paid off for you!

I think your right because the last time I checked Ford didn’t sell any [New] Toyotas.. they Focused [pardon the pun] on Fords.

but with the Aurion Bret is right. they are trying to establish a market. it is a common technique for new comers to any sort of market to pack in heaps of features. they wouldnt get noticed otherwise.

but now ford and holden have loaded their falcon and commy with equivalent value anyhow. i think it only took them a few months to top them up.

but if its plain ole good value you are looking for I’d be heading straight to the Mitsu dealer. what they offer in the 380 and the price they sell it at, leaves the other 3 for dead

big bucks for a badge.

also i still havent had an answer as to why the corolla and hilux are toyotas 2 best sellers yet both are far from class leaders???

well i suppose you did answer it Bubba….. its that perception thing of getting something much better

you only need to look at holden. so NM are you saying holdens rnage is heaps better through out than fords hence why they sell a few more cars?
that is the perfect illustration that ford needs to learn how to advertise and promote a strong and healty image.

if no LPG yet on territory is so bad how come you dont “dis” the others for not having LPG on anything at all?

also the transit isnt the only thing in the commercial range….
falcon ute
ranger
transit
econovan……….whats your point there?

Apart from the ranger comment i havent contested anything you have to say.

In regards to Toyota The guy has points yes the toyota is reliable, yes it is the market leader.

They have earned a good reputation early on starting from the SR Corolla up to present, the hilux has defonatley got a impressive history behind it both these cars are incredibly known as a fantastic basic runabout and remarkable work hack.

but this is in turn leads to my gripes. It seems toyota has cashed in on these vehicles reputation you are now paying 23k for a basic runabout meanwhile compeditors are charging up to 3-4 k less.

Its like the Tonka Truck story. When i was a lad Tonka Trucks were the ultimate boys toy, for 10-15 dollars you could get a big rugged diecast yellow dump truck that could handle the abuse of a 2yr old boy and his siblings could throw at it and still manage to get handed down to the poor cousins to take another 3 years of being left outside in sand boxes and thrown around the place

now 40 dollars buys you a plastic truck with diecast tray if you are lucky. In other words a whole lot of money for a Tonka sticker.

the Hilux is now the designer workhack and the corolla is now the designer basic runabout. big price for bugger all

im not so one eyed as you think my point to you is i can fill up my opinion on how toyota is ripping off the public, how holden caters for yanks more than the australian public (SSV Commodore for under 40k!) but you know what we have all heard it before.

I got no qualms with what you have to say you have some good points your method is what grates me.

I actually see what TP has to put up with and I always admired him even though I stirred him. One reason why… at most times he did get some good facts dug up and rattled most of you.

So Bubba (man with a name like that you have bling or what or not related to this guy?) I suggest you stop playing with it as your struggling!

Just cause he is moving over doesnt mean that every yank in dearbourne michigan is coming over to!

not to bag the site but i highly doubt that Osbourne is going to check every aussie car website to think what runner up Ford CEO Naughtyius Maximus two cents in how to run ford better.

As for the V8 super cars going to Bahrain NZ etc maybe the main part of those races is that we get to see our OWN BREED of vehicle in the global view not european or american Ford and GM product but AUSTRALIAN PRODUCT. I would love to see car movies with the main car being a Senator, Monaro (not pontiac not vxr but HOLDEN) GT, Pursuit etc.

Look you have your gripes trust me we ALL KNOW now knock it off all you are doing is making a dick of yourself

So reckless1 what do you say about my intellect??? Who made you the numero uno about who makes the best cars. Its a bloody opinion everyone is entitled to have one. I have a pretty good f***ing idea whats a good car and not considering I work in a car yard and know which cars have problems more than others. What do you do??? You probably sit at your home pc after a long day flipping Big Macs at Maccas pissed off so you think you’ll come here and hang s**t on someone on the internet (you tough bastard you)

My opinion is Ford’s current range of cars is pretty damn good in quality, reliability & style. I didn’t say they were the best but they are very good. Much better than Holden’s line up in my opinion.

BTW NM & Reckless1, Fairlanes & LTDs are still being sold until Orion’s release. Ranger’s have a 4-6 month waiting list because Ford have sold so much (ask my boss he is trying to buy one for himself) Ford’s biggest problem is not the products, its the MARKETING. People as a whole are pretty dumb, they’ll believe most things they are told. How many people are Holden Fans because daddy was??? Good marketing can make a s**t car sound great. I know a few Holden fans that will swear black & blue to me that Barinas, Epicas & Kaptivas are Ozzy made just because Holden cleverly worded their ads for them. (Kaptiva ad mentions ozzy built V6, Epica ad mentions Ozzy engineering)

Hopefully Ford adopts the sledgehammer approach of just do it and take some risks – design it right for dam well once and have massive model variation in Falcon range and if luxury models are done…. dont just change grille and thats it as very piss poor and the public have reacted!

NM is still true to Fords…so all good!