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		<title>By: alf hickey</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-69204</link>
		<dc:creator>alf hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This system described is stupid and over expensive
The existing infrastructure is sufficient to implement this technology now, with the help of a device connected to a vehicle&#039;s computer. If they wanted to add localised emitters (about $50) worth placed in speed zones can communicate with a very simple sensors connected to the vehicle&#039;s computers. Already gps navigation systems warn taxi drivers (I saw it in action the other day) of speed zones and hazards, as well as traffic blockages and alternate routes. I am sick of tax payers being ripped off by con-man engineers who talk crap- they are just trying to make a buck- SAFETY SHOULD BE HERE NOW, CHEAP &amp; ACCESSIBLE. There is no risk of hacking because existing satellite signals, mobile towers etc... can be used as navigation references/points. Theinternal computer in a car is hack proof because it is a localised closed system. Don&#039;t these clown engineers have common sense. They rip the government off with spped cameras (sorry the friend of a friend who works on designing them), these can be beaten easily- and the people who generally speed are the ones who beat these cameras.

If a system costs more than $50 per unit and part of this is integrated in the car cost per legislation, the technology is free. Ultimately cars are dangerous, they should never have been invented the way they were, It should be the car companies responsibility to make them safe. It is so easy for a car to have an accident, there are so many ridiculous safety faults such as blind spots, inability of a driver to judge distances correctly by the design of the car, poor angles of lights, (even the best Eurpean cars fog up at times, I could go on and on, but I don&#039;t hear these issues being brought up. I mean there are safety guide lines, but the engineers who make them must be brain dead ! I have driven so many cars and why do they still have blind spots ?? We&#039;ve been making cars for how long.

Given speed isn&#039;t the issue as has been shown statistically, what is the government going to do about loosening up road laws, fines and speed cameras to bring the freedom, joy and friendliness back to driving ? And what is the government going to do about safety. I had a clown try to run me off the road for about 20 km in Gippsland a few years ago. He tail gated me, tried to bang into me side on, braked dramatically in front of me. I told the police about this in gippsland, and also on the way back, but did the police do anything NO ! They didn&#039;t note the description of the vehicle or the number plate I gave them or the details of the incidents. Why I have no faith in Victoria Police, especially the traffic mob. If I didn&#039;t have a good spec car with terrific breaking, I think I would be another road toll statistic. I am gettign sick of injustice in this state and especially oppressive road law. As was revealed in the Moreland newspaper recently, less parking fines means money has to be raised in other ways. Well people are always happy to pay for good transparent service, that they clearly see, that improves their lives. Mybe add a bit of that instead of oppressive fines and law and rules, which just make us mad, righteously mad. 

As I was taught in grade 2 at school by a cool teacher with a funny name: Mr Hornyblow &quot;prevention always better than cure !&quot; maybe some of these pollies need to go back to primary school- oh but that&#039;s right they were too busy bullying other kids and probably dobbing in kids for things they themselves had done, they certainly enjoy doing it to motorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This system described is stupid and over expensive<br />
The existing infrastructure is sufficient to implement this technology now, with the help of a device connected to a vehicle&#8217;s computer. If they wanted to add localised emitters (about $50) worth placed in speed zones can communicate with a very simple sensors connected to the vehicle&#8217;s computers. Already gps navigation systems warn taxi drivers (I saw it in action the other day) of speed zones and hazards, as well as traffic blockages and alternate routes. I am sick of tax payers being ripped off by con-man engineers who talk crap- they are just trying to make a buck- SAFETY SHOULD BE HERE NOW, CHEAP &amp; ACCESSIBLE. There is no risk of hacking because existing satellite signals, mobile towers etc&#8230; can be used as navigation references/points. Theinternal computer in a car is hack proof because it is a localised closed system. Don&#8217;t these clown engineers have common sense. They rip the government off with spped cameras (sorry the friend of a friend who works on designing them), these can be beaten easily- and the people who generally speed are the ones who beat these cameras.</p>
<p>If a system costs more than $50 per unit and part of this is integrated in the car cost per legislation, the technology is free. Ultimately cars are dangerous, they should never have been invented the way they were, It should be the car companies responsibility to make them safe. It is so easy for a car to have an accident, there are so many ridiculous safety faults such as blind spots, inability of a driver to judge distances correctly by the design of the car, poor angles of lights, (even the best Eurpean cars fog up at times, I could go on and on, but I don&#8217;t hear these issues being brought up. I mean there are safety guide lines, but the engineers who make them must be brain dead ! I have driven so many cars and why do they still have blind spots ?? We&#8217;ve been making cars for how long.</p>
<p>Given speed isn&#8217;t the issue as has been shown statistically, what is the government going to do about loosening up road laws, fines and speed cameras to bring the freedom, joy and friendliness back to driving ? And what is the government going to do about safety. I had a clown try to run me off the road for about 20 km in Gippsland a few years ago. He tail gated me, tried to bang into me side on, braked dramatically in front of me. I told the police about this in gippsland, and also on the way back, but did the police do anything NO ! They didn&#8217;t note the description of the vehicle or the number plate I gave them or the details of the incidents. Why I have no faith in Victoria Police, especially the traffic mob. If I didn&#8217;t have a good spec car with terrific breaking, I think I would be another road toll statistic. I am gettign sick of injustice in this state and especially oppressive road law. As was revealed in the Moreland newspaper recently, less parking fines means money has to be raised in other ways. Well people are always happy to pay for good transparent service, that they clearly see, that improves their lives. Mybe add a bit of that instead of oppressive fines and law and rules, which just make us mad, righteously mad. </p>
<p>As I was taught in grade 2 at school by a cool teacher with a funny name: Mr Hornyblow &#8220;prevention always better than cure !&#8221; maybe some of these pollies need to go back to primary school- oh but that&#8217;s right they were too busy bullying other kids and probably dobbing in kids for things they themselves had done, they certainly enjoy doing it to motorists.</p>
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		<title>By: 2greedy</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-55278</link>
		<dc:creator>2greedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well i can tell ya straight up right now! There is hackers already looking at this! There is no way they could make it hack proof,They cant even hack proof software so there is no way they&#039;ll hack proof this!

It will be hacked within a couple of weeks after it&#039;s release and the hacking tools plastered all over the net hahahahahah.

They wanna stop ppl from smoking in cars,they want to control how you drive your car, Christ what next? Oh i know they&#039;ll stop us from drinking alcohol,then they&#039;ll stop us from kissing in public, Then we wont be alowed after 9pm, them we&#039;ll be told what we can and cant watch on tv!

For frig sake i wish ppl would stand up to the gov this is just plain outright deprivation of liberty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i can tell ya straight up right now! There is hackers already looking at this! There is no way they could make it hack proof,They cant even hack proof software so there is no way they&#8217;ll hack proof this!</p>
<p>It will be hacked within a couple of weeks after it&#8217;s release and the hacking tools plastered all over the net hahahahahah.</p>
<p>They wanna stop ppl from smoking in cars,they want to control how you drive your car, Christ what next? Oh i know they&#8217;ll stop us from drinking alcohol,then they&#8217;ll stop us from kissing in public, Then we wont be alowed after 9pm, them we&#8217;ll be told what we can and cant watch on tv!</p>
<p>For frig sake i wish ppl would stand up to the gov this is just plain outright deprivation of liberty!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-52708</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cunningham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this isn&#039;t the ultimate &quot;Big Brother&quot; I don&#039;t know what is.  The ramifications of applying such technology are immense.

It is ALL based on the premise that &quot;speed kills&quot; and which simplistic notion parallels &quot;criminals have guns, therefore those who have guns are criminals&quot;. 

We have of course all seen the promises made by the former PM and those who fed off him come to fruition.  Just look at the crime, homicide and suicide stats - after wasting a BILLION dollars on two gun confiscations, they continue to rise.  But we are told that we are &#039;safer&#039;. 

This is all about people control.  It has nothing to do with safety and all to do with empowering already bloated government.  We (the sheep) are constantly shepherded into &#039;safety&#039;, and all because we can&#039;t be trusted. 

&quot;Speed Kills&quot; is a digestable one liner justification for whatever &#039;authority&#039; or politcal transient to do anything.  Blanket rules are applied to cover ALL situations, so we suffer all too often unrealistic low speed restrictions.

Remember - We vote for these bastards to be just so concerned about us and ever willing to &#039;make us safer&#039;.

Why then is it that I am one of many who don&#039;t give a stuff about their safety?  In fact, I wish the meddling mongrels would die painful deaths and leave the responsible majority of us alone to decide for ourselves what is appropriate for the current conditions.

Pink Floyd said it right:  &quot;Welcome to the machine&quot; for you are &quot;Another brick in the wall&quot;

Peter Cunningham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this isn&#8217;t the ultimate &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; I don&#8217;t know what is.  The ramifications of applying such technology are immense.</p>
<p>It is ALL based on the premise that &#8220;speed kills&#8221; and which simplistic notion parallels &#8220;criminals have guns, therefore those who have guns are criminals&#8221;. </p>
<p>We have of course all seen the promises made by the former PM and those who fed off him come to fruition.  Just look at the crime, homicide and suicide stats &#8211; after wasting a BILLION dollars on two gun confiscations, they continue to rise.  But we are told that we are &#8217;safer&#8217;. </p>
<p>This is all about people control.  It has nothing to do with safety and all to do with empowering already bloated government.  We (the sheep) are constantly shepherded into &#8217;safety&#8217;, and all because we can&#8217;t be trusted. </p>
<p>&#8220;Speed Kills&#8221; is a digestable one liner justification for whatever &#8216;authority&#8217; or politcal transient to do anything.  Blanket rules are applied to cover ALL situations, so we suffer all too often unrealistic low speed restrictions.</p>
<p>Remember &#8211; We vote for these bastards to be just so concerned about us and ever willing to &#8216;make us safer&#8217;.</p>
<p>Why then is it that I am one of many who don&#8217;t give a stuff about their safety?  In fact, I wish the meddling mongrels would die painful deaths and leave the responsible majority of us alone to decide for ourselves what is appropriate for the current conditions.</p>
<p>Pink Floyd said it right:  &#8220;Welcome to the machine&#8221; for you are &#8220;Another brick in the wall&#8221;</p>
<p>Peter Cunningham</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47725</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It knows where you are and it has a database of all speed limits on Australia roads.&quot;

Go ask the CFA volunteers about the government knowing where roads are and where people live, and they&#039;ll not trust it.

Have you ever followed a satnav to the exact letter?
We did the other day and were told to take a left hand turn over the Hume Weir.

Having some other &quot;entity&quot; controlling the vehicle is not on.

I can just see some cars going 100km in a 60 zone and taking it to court saying &quot;your system said I could ... it&#039;s in control of the car&quot;,  conversely doing 40km on a 110km freeway.

There are more productive ways of lowering the road toll and accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It knows where you are and it has a database of all speed limits on Australia roads.&#8221;</p>
<p>Go ask the CFA volunteers about the government knowing where roads are and where people live, and they&#8217;ll not trust it.</p>
<p>Have you ever followed a satnav to the exact letter?<br />
We did the other day and were told to take a left hand turn over the Hume Weir.</p>
<p>Having some other &#8220;entity&#8221; controlling the vehicle is not on.</p>
<p>I can just see some cars going 100km in a 60 zone and taking it to court saying &#8220;your system said I could &#8230; it&#8217;s in control of the car&#8221;,  conversely doing 40km on a 110km freeway.</p>
<p>There are more productive ways of lowering the road toll and accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Lcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How hard is it to disable a satellite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How hard is it to disable a satellite?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you would find that more often than not its the drivers who speed (whether or not they have done a driver course) that will respond quicker and safer in an emergence situation. 

If you put a driver that constantly travels 10k under the limit, stops at round abouts and give way signs, has never been booked for anything and think they are the safest drivers on the road would be the first to do something wrong in an emergency, purely due to the fact that they would be unaware of that capabilities of their vehicle, panic and more than likely be the cause of the accident.

For those of you that travel a little faster than allowed, you would come across a situation regularly where evasive action must be taken quickly because the moron in front of you changed into your lane in front of you without really assessing how fast you are coming up behind them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you would find that more often than not its the drivers who speed (whether or not they have done a driver course) that will respond quicker and safer in an emergence situation. </p>
<p>If you put a driver that constantly travels 10k under the limit, stops at round abouts and give way signs, has never been booked for anything and think they are the safest drivers on the road would be the first to do something wrong in an emergency, purely due to the fact that they would be unaware of that capabilities of their vehicle, panic and more than likely be the cause of the accident.</p>
<p>For those of you that travel a little faster than allowed, you would come across a situation regularly where evasive action must be taken quickly because the moron in front of you changed into your lane in front of you without really assessing how fast you are coming up behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First pint is on me to the first person who posts how to disable this.

I am continuously amazed at the creative ways government assholes come up with to justify their jobs.

I agree with Bob about the &quot;reverse-polarity switch forcing them all to DO the speed limit and not 20 below.&quot; I might actually *support* that initiative! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First pint is on me to the first person who posts how to disable this.</p>
<p>I am continuously amazed at the creative ways government assholes come up with to justify their jobs.</p>
<p>I agree with Bob about the &#8220;reverse-polarity switch forcing them all to DO the speed limit and not 20 below.&#8221; I might actually *support* that initiative! :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree totally with Matt.

I also think that the second hand car market will boom when new ones have these installed. :p

On the positive side, at least you can&#039;t get a speeding ticket. The negative side? You&#039;ll be stuck behind that Lorry all the way from Sydney to Newcastle. FUN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree totally with Matt.</p>
<p>I also think that the second hand car market will boom when new ones have these installed. :p</p>
<p>On the positive side, at least you can&#8217;t get a speeding ticket. The negative side? You&#8217;ll be stuck behind that Lorry all the way from Sydney to Newcastle. FUN!</p>
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		<title>By: F!LL</title>
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		<dc:creator>F!LL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else heard the saying that goes a little like &quot;Guns don&#039;t kill people. People kill people...&quot; The same applies with speeding. You can take the speed out of the car, but you can&#039;t take the idiot out of the person... No matter what the authorities do, someone will find some other way to hurt themselves and others using their car (or someone elses).

All this shows is that we&#039;re taking another step closer to being totally controlled by the worlds governing institutions and eventually a total breakdown of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else heard the saying that goes a little like &#8220;Guns don&#8217;t kill people. People kill people&#8230;&#8221; The same applies with speeding. You can take the speed out of the car, but you can&#8217;t take the idiot out of the person&#8230; No matter what the authorities do, someone will find some other way to hurt themselves and others using their car (or someone elses).</p>
<p>All this shows is that we&#8217;re taking another step closer to being totally controlled by the worlds governing institutions and eventually a total breakdown of society.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its another rash concept from Australia. We are so obsess with limiting speed.

Speed, as someone pointed out is not the killer..

its Bad Driving.


Young &quot;P&quot; platers showing off to their mates, driving eratically, criss crossing around on the high way. 

Ultimately Australian roads will become fully automated where cars will be driven by systems/auto-drivers.


How about spending the money on teaching young drivers better skills and knowledge... &quot;P&quot; platers should all be driving &quot;under powered&quot; cars period. If I was an 18 year old I would be against it... but since I am.. I see its advantages. 

Drink driving too... spend more funding on systems that prevent drunk drivers from accessing their cars... 


Heck.. reset the entire Australian Road system and opt for more trains and public transport... because its pretty much what Australia should be doing looking at the costs of driving and maintaining cars. Not to mention Sydney and Melbourne have a HUGE problem in terms of traffic in the next 5-10 years... Monumental screw up and underestimation by road/traffic designers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its another rash concept from Australia. We are so obsess with limiting speed.</p>
<p>Speed, as someone pointed out is not the killer..</p>
<p>its Bad Driving.</p>
<p>Young &#8220;P&#8221; platers showing off to their mates, driving eratically, criss crossing around on the high way. </p>
<p>Ultimately Australian roads will become fully automated where cars will be driven by systems/auto-drivers.</p>
<p>How about spending the money on teaching young drivers better skills and knowledge&#8230; &#8220;P&#8221; platers should all be driving &#8220;under powered&#8221; cars period. If I was an 18 year old I would be against it&#8230; but since I am.. I see its advantages. </p>
<p>Drink driving too&#8230; spend more funding on systems that prevent drunk drivers from accessing their cars&#8230; </p>
<p>Heck.. reset the entire Australian Road system and opt for more trains and public transport&#8230; because its pretty much what Australia should be doing looking at the costs of driving and maintaining cars. Not to mention Sydney and Melbourne have a HUGE problem in terms of traffic in the next 5-10 years&#8230; Monumental screw up and underestimation by road/traffic designers.</p>
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		<title>By: Typhoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Typhoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what happens when u get into an accident. can we sue the company or agency that proposed this device. 

say i got into an accident while travelling at 60kmh. if i had travelled at 70kmh then i wouldnt be in an accident. 

i think this money should be spent fighting crime and installing gps microchips in murderers and thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happens when u get into an accident. can we sue the company or agency that proposed this device. </p>
<p>say i got into an accident while travelling at 60kmh. if i had travelled at 70kmh then i wouldnt be in an accident. </p>
<p>i think this money should be spent fighting crime and installing gps microchips in murderers and thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 13:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll happily take it on my car if it means that Toyotas have a reverse-polairty switch FORCING them to all DO the speed limit and not 20 below.

Seriously though, I&#039;d hate it on my car but for those who&#039;ve had licences suspended or for repeat offenders, it&#039;d be an idea similar to putting breath-interlocks on their cars. If you prove you&#039;re a moron and can&#039;t control your right foot, you get speed limited. Fair&#039;s fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll happily take it on my car if it means that Toyotas have a reverse-polairty switch FORCING them to all DO the speed limit and not 20 below.</p>
<p>Seriously though, I&#8217;d hate it on my car but for those who&#8217;ve had licences suspended or for repeat offenders, it&#8217;d be an idea similar to putting breath-interlocks on their cars. If you prove you&#8217;re a moron and can&#8217;t control your right foot, you get speed limited. Fair&#8217;s fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert Knowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Knowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the points made by  No Name, Falcon Crazy etc. 

The only way to deal with the road toll is police actively enforcing the law 24/7 on our roads. 

I will not buy a car that is fitted with such a device &amp; will vote out any government that even suggests that I should!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the points made by  No Name, Falcon Crazy etc. </p>
<p>The only way to deal with the road toll is police actively enforcing the law 24/7 on our roads. </p>
<p>I will not buy a car that is fitted with such a device &amp; will vote out any government that even suggests that I should!</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47106</link>
		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the second hand car prices rise if all new cars are fitted with these in the future. 

I think its inevitable....

What really amazes me that complete lack of an annual roadworthy in Victoria. There’s got to be thousands of dodgy un-serviced old, crap, dangerous cars on the roads. Its ridiculous that you could buy and run a cars and simply never get it repaired. Insisting on a roadworthy on these heaps would solve a lot of accidents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the second hand car prices rise if all new cars are fitted with these in the future. </p>
<p>I think its inevitable&#8230;.</p>
<p>What really amazes me that complete lack of an annual roadworthy in Victoria. There’s got to be thousands of dodgy un-serviced old, crap, dangerous cars on the roads. Its ridiculous that you could buy and run a cars and simply never get it repaired. Insisting on a roadworthy on these heaps would solve a lot of accidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Jabber</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jabber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well well well suprise suprise... the government begins the trial on their fleet hmmm why would that be hmmm??? maybe trying to save some red faces regarding speeding public servants i think highly likely!!!  I think its a great idea in fact if the boffins got really smart the system could percept other road vehicles (or lack there of) and remove the need for speed limits all together.  The system could then allow the car to travel at a safe speed whether that be 130 0r 90 on the highway for example and then we&#039;d all be happy!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well well well suprise suprise&#8230; the government begins the trial on their fleet hmmm why would that be hmmm??? maybe trying to save some red faces regarding speeding public servants i think highly likely!!!  I think its a great idea in fact if the boffins got really smart the system could percept other road vehicles (or lack there of) and remove the need for speed limits all together.  The system could then allow the car to travel at a safe speed whether that be 130 0r 90 on the highway for example and then we&#8217;d all be happy!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Westy</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47090</link>
		<dc:creator>Westy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Communism is almost here.....can&#039;t wait until the Government can even think, eat, sleep and pee for me!

Over-Governed...TOO RIGHT!
Westy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Communism is almost here&#8230;..can&#8217;t wait until the Government can even think, eat, sleep and pee for me!</p>
<p>Over-Governed&#8230;TOO RIGHT!<br />
Westy</p>
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		<title>By: IceB</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47078</link>
		<dc:creator>IceB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Satnav &amp; speed zone feature as an information source, and I think this alone would potentially be cheap, useful &amp; informative..
  I cannot see how the throttle (speed) control is &#039;safely&#039; possible without full fly-by-wire engine control. It would have to be full &#039;closed loop&#039; electronics/actuators.
  This limits its installation to pretty much brand-new 
cars.. no good in the real, public/private world.
  I can see fleet operators using it, though..!
Cheers,
 IceB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Satnav &amp; speed zone feature as an information source, and I think this alone would potentially be cheap, useful &amp; informative..<br />
  I cannot see how the throttle (speed) control is &#8217;safely&#8217; possible without full fly-by-wire engine control. It would have to be full &#8216;closed loop&#8217; electronics/actuators.<br />
  This limits its installation to pretty much brand-new<br />
cars.. no good in the real, public/private world.<br />
  I can see fleet operators using it, though..!<br />
Cheers,<br />
 IceB</p>
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		<title>By: Yianni</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47066</link>
		<dc:creator>Yianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 07:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would cause accidents itself. 

Any drive knowns there are times where you simply need the extra speed.

I&#039;m sure everyone has accelerated away from something like a red light camera or a potential accident.

Maybe giving an extra 10km/h or something on top of the speed limit would be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would cause accidents itself. </p>
<p>Any drive knowns there are times where you simply need the extra speed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure everyone has accelerated away from something like a red light camera or a potential accident.</p>
<p>Maybe giving an extra 10km/h or something on top of the speed limit would be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: 280zx</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47028</link>
		<dc:creator>280zx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wont even find ToyotaPaul LOL</description>
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		<title>By: Lcat</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9234/satellite-speed-limiter-system-starts-trials/comment-page-1/#comment-47026</link>
		<dc:creator>Lcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ David can i add 1 to ur list - tailgaters (pet hate)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ David can i add 1 to ur list &#8211; tailgaters (pet hate)</p>
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