Holden VE Commodore recalled again
January 8, 2008 by Matt Brogan
The VE Commodore and WM Statesman series have again being recalled this morning following yesterday’s announcement of it being Australia’s top selling car.
Due to the possibility of an engine bay fire from a faulty fuel line, 86,000 V6 models will be recalled to address the issue. Holden spokesperson John Lindsay said the fault was due to one of the fuel lines in the engine bay having the potential to rub on the clip of an adjacent hose, which over a period of time had the potential to result in a leak.
So far this issue has only effected 20 cars though is not limited to Australian vehicles with some export vehicles also being recalled in New Zealand, Brazil and the Middle East. Fortunately the highly lucrative Pontiac G8 has not been affected with the issue affecting V6 models only.
This is the second such recall for Holden on the VE and WM series with the V8 models being recalled for a similar condition some months ago.
Anyone owning a VE or WM series Holden will be contacted forthwith.
Tags: Holden VE Commodore
Im not saying a thing…..
thats why I’ll stick to my Falcon
Ha!
I think any manufacturer is bound to suffer from these issues and it’s good they nip them in the bud though the poor VE does seem to be attracting quite a few recalls.
Matt…
I totally agree, this will be reason for many to start a bitching session towards the VE now…
at least they got it now than have one go up in flames roasting the driver. Imagine the media fallout
surprise surprise…another shortcoming from Holden….ohh geez. Wats this now..the third recall…ya, its lookin pretty good for commonwhore owners…woder how many more well see….
Skimping on quality but upping the ante on the marketing hype. Nice work Holden.
I believe Commodores as a whole have now had 24 or 25 recalls in total … what is that telling us.
Also, lets not forget all the other quality glitches associated with the so called billion dollar baby – inoperable cooling fans, battery drain issues, lifting booting on the Stato’s, pinging (spring) fuel cap lids and the fact that most media organiatons who have test driven the VE over the months have all complained about quality related issues.
Daewoo, Holden – all the same crap.
Doesn’t look good I admit……hell a while back I helped a guy to try and extinguish his {till the goose opened the bonnet……durrrr}
Dont throw the baby out with the bathwater though…..sure its had 4 recalls…. E46 M3 had 2 that I know of!
Look at the positive Holden will improve the quality in future models………and at least they admitted they had a problem! Something FPV could learn from!
Holden, you done it again!
“So far this issue has only effected 20 cars”
Anyone read or heard how bad the outcome of the problem was for the known unfortunates?
Will the new Falcon Orion have the same problem……recalls?……..could do!
At least holden are recalling the commodore…………i mean if they did nt recall the 86000 cars it may have been a lot worse so holden are just making sure that the car is safe. just cause Holden recalls 86000 cars there are only 20 affected at the moment which still isnt bad, but it isnt terrible!
I absolutely love it – Commodore sales were only 3 600 in the month of December making it the lowest i have ever seen it. In their hay day of the VT they sold between 8000 – 9000 monthly units then about 5 500 at the beginning of the VE but as low as 3600 last month.
The Corolla managed to pip it again while even better – Toyota out sold Holden and Ford combined for the second time in the three months.
Infact, Holden’s total monthly sales were as low as 10 000 … yeah baby – take that !!
This great – i’m lov’n it
Mikka…..be nice!!
Small cars are outselling larger cars now though I thought!
Best seller in ITS category remember!
Mikka,
How do i describe Mikka “i’m lov’n it” you sound like a Mc Donalds fan, a big fat and negative McDonald fan ( a person that likes McDonalds….but mikka your always negative!)
It isn’t good in my opinion. We’ve all had our 2 cents on the “Local manufacturing suffers – again” blog. What are the chances of a pissed off buyer switching to an import instead of one of our other loacally built cars? Pretty good I’d say.
I’m hoping Orion doesn’t cop the same issues, but any new car is bound to have one or two. Even Toyota isn’t perfect.
well done holden, this is just what ford needs before the release of the orion. hahahaha
Always holden cars need to be recalled in. A billion dollars spent on this car I doubt that. More like two cents they spent on it. Holden always have problems even there race car drivers cheat. I never had one and will never ever get one. Buy a Ford Typhoon its the ultimate aussie muscle car. Bring the Orion on.
Recalls happen, as long as they get em back in and fix it.
Wheels are bashing the old corolla because of the lack of esp, here we go with the commie, seatbelts and possible incineration, lmao, shite I hate that rag.
Recalls are going to happen. The main ting is no one gets hurt.
When Ford’s new gets recalled… what are people going to say then? Wake up
I’m a Ford fan but I do not rejoice in Holdens bad news.
I want ALL Aussie cars to sell well in this country, perhaps we should have more faith in the local product.
I for one am boycotting Japanese products until they stop the slaughter of whales.
Yes they are Anthonii, but seatbelts and now fuel leaks take 2! Maybe they should have spent a few more dollars on an ejector seat :)
I feel sorry for that poor lone bugger working in their quality control cubicle :)
As the owner of a Commodore, I can’t say I’m the suprised. Build quality of mine at least isn’t all that great, I’ve lost count of the number of things that have failed or simply fallen off. Holden, you can do better, pull your finger out.
Holden buyers deserve all they get.
I’m a Ford fan but I do not rejoice in Holdens bad news.
I want ALL Aussie cars to sell well in this country, perhaps we should have more faith in the local product.
I for one am boycotting Japanese products until they stop the slaughter of whales.
Well said blueblood, If only thosed Jap loving morons did the same thing then maybe Japan would stop this scientific research of what sauce goes best with their whales hunting. I boycotted Japanese products years ago and even though Toyota maybe building cars here they are still a Japanese company one that belongs to a country which Kills endangered species whales. Oh and Toyota still has the worst recall record world wide.
As a happy owner of a VE Commodore I am obviously not happy to see the car being recalled once again. However like has been mentioned earlier 20 cars affected and the have recalled all 86000 of them. Well done Holden.
For those who keep saying how poor the VE is, go drive one and then come back and complain how bad it is.
And to note of FPVs side of things, does everyone forget when the F6 was pulled from production for a dogey clutch assembly… how peoples memories are short…
Whales, Lmao, fair enough meatpies, jap lovers is racism, but racism is okay, its just the whales that bother you. Not to mention the R & D on the most appropriate sauce. Where do they come from, lmao.
This racism thing is going to far, in the context its been put in 95% of the comments could claim some sort of racism, Holden fans being called bogans is racist. Anyone blasting Aussies for driving Aussie cars is racist. As a lawyer I would have a field day with litigation suits with the amount of “racist ” comments made on this and most other car blog sites. The term racist remember is not just associated to ones race. Racism is a fancy word for discrimination. The ones who cry racists are quite often the worst culprits. You only need to look in sport to see this. Now I drive a VE and will buy a sportswagon when its released. Call me a bogan and that is racist because of my preference for driving a Car designed and built in Australia.
Football, Meatpies, Kangeroos And Holden Cars -
How much more help do you wanna give Ford and Holden?!!
They own the government, fleet and taxi services.
This just shows what rubbish they were and still are with all the help they get.
Toyota and mitsubishi is as Australian as Ford and Holden.
Actually I never called you a bogan, and people usually say what they think when upset, as you clearly did. There is a huge difference between creating categories of drivers (bogans etal), and then referring to “Jap lovers”. Racism is much more distasteful and deep seated trait.
When some posters question the intelligence of someone buying Australian, or Korean or Japanese, that is not racism, its product bias, or a result of previous experiences, its either based on fact or conversely a reaction derived from a previous experience. Could also be ignorance, partic when they have no factual or experience
indicators to support their conclusion.
In short Pies, yes, your comments were racist.
To be honnest recalls is a common thing for GM-Daewoo-Holden, we know they just don’t compare nowhere near Japan or Europe standards to spend 1 billion dallars on one model only to fail, that is very sad, I know other manufacturer’s have the odd recall but come on people this is absurd, lets face it Holden Daewoo can’t get anything right the first time, problem after problem after problem…I would never buy Holden they’re starting to create a cheap and nasty image in Australia all because of Daewoo influence slogan = wham bam thank you mam, yukkkkkkkkk…….
Its Kangaroos dip shit! Was that racist? Lol, I would have thought ToyotaPaul would be putting a few comments on this article??? Agree as well there are always teething problems but if they nip it in the bud now will pan out okay…
Because its a Hilux that they are doing the whaling in…
…seriously what the smurf are you on about?
Australian cars always feel loose and cheap after they have aged 2 years.
I would rather “reward” the japanese with my hard earned money for their superior cars then give my money to AMERICAN GM/Holden and Ford who grant us the privilege to build THEIR cars for our market.
Atleast Japanese have pride and ethics in their cars…
FYI Australia used to hunt wales for commodity profits and not food…
Iceland hunts wales for food too.
To “NFL, Hamburgers, Eagles And Holdenwoo Dumps” you go to show how stupid you are. Still can’t spell “Kangaroo” yet.
yer, and he is a lawyer apparently :)
…I’m so Sorry mate, you finally lernt there is more to it than Holden in the world.
Elitist: Quote “Australian cars always feel loose and cheap after they have aged 2 years.”
My 2003 BA has no rattles, nothing has fallen off, nothing is loose, even the spring in the door handles feels as tight as the day I bought it in 03.
No it’s not perfect but neither are Japanese cars.
Japanese ETHICAL?? don’t make me laugh!!
Nothing you say can justify any nation slaughtering whales in this day and age.
James, tell me how the word japan loving is racist? I am not making derogoratory comments based on anything, Some people actually like being called japan lovers just like I take no offence to being called a thai lover because I am married to a thai girl. You really need to look the word up before commenting. And since when has a company which has been in australia since the 60’s more Australian than a car company which has been here since 1948 and longer. Mitsubishi has been here even less time. In around 1984 they took over Chrysler here.
Oh bring out the firing squad, a spelling error. Just shows how petty you morons are. Oh and Holden is a Australian company that General Motors bought into. Holden is not a American Company. Do you see the name Holden anywhere else in the world using that name except for close countries like NZ and PNG. Come on morons if you were so smart you wouldnt be on blogs all day. I get on only when finished with a client who wants action taken against someone dipsticks.
Football, Meatpies, Kangaroos And Holden Cars is every bit a lawyer as Toadie is on Neighbours.
So your saying English convicts are MORE australian than European and Asian born Australians?
Football Hamburgers and Dim Sims has made this post so stupid im out of here…
LMAO Elitist, hey how bout changing it to Kanga-woo’s haha!
How about building a pulp mill in Tassie BLUE BLOOD?
What pulp mill?
Haaaaaa Kanga-Woos haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Oh thats funny ! Hey how can you tell when its really cold? Lawyers have their hands in their own pockets LOL …. Nahhh just for fun…
Pulp Mill in the North……..GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
If your really want to be Politically Correct with Football, Meatpies, Kangaroos and Holden Cars, Their racially diverse name would be Starcraft (They have massive tournaments in Korea), Eagles (American, yes.)Kim Chee (Korean Pickled Vegetables- quite tasty with marinated beef) and Chevrolets.
Everything these days being said is Racist or offensive. PC is killing freedom of speech.
Have a big, steaming cup of toughen up.
ive also noticed that alot of new holdens have already busted thier rear brake lights.
come on these are new cars. at least use better light bulbs.
btw you cant blame toyota for the whaling. same way u cant blame gm for bringing war to iraq.
or maybe they did. who owns hummer? hehe
“Elitist Says:
January 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Football, Meatpies, Kangaroos And Holden Cars is every bit a lawyer as Toadie is on Neighbours.”
That quote is 100% Awesome
Be very careful what is said. Dont bring defimation proceedings upon yourself as I do know your i.p address. You have no idea who or what I am so be careful and be afraid very afraid, No one is anonymous online.
Mick,
mate you shouldnt have noted that last part RE. the typhoon clutch.
it was a $2 part that ford picked up very early and didnt want the owners to take delivery until it was fixed. isnt that a bit fairer?
also how long has holden known about this fuel leak? im sure it wasnt 20 reports that landed on someones desk this morning that prompted it. come on holden lets see if people notice first before we do anything hey?
the typhoon clutch at least showed better consideration of a problem and is no way to start taking the focus off holden.
i agree with blue blood witch the nonsence said about rattles and squeeks in 2 yr old falcons.
mine is a 2002 model (well i wasnt registered till 2003) and it doesnt have ant rattles either
just because meatpies has said some radical stuff before doesnt mean there isnt SOME merit in what he said.
also as pointed out toyota is actually the most recalled make on a world scale dont forget people.
when they started making the camry here it also suffered a couple of recalls.
yeah this stuff happens and if i were an owner and i didnt have to pay for it i prob wouldnt care.
it just makes for good ammo when someone from the holden side of the fence starts hanging shyte on a ford or toyota fans
^^^i posted before meatpies spoke again,
well you must know more than i do about computers (which wouldnt be hard) because isnt reaping such info out of caradvice invasion of privacy?
Football Meatpies Kangaroos and Holden Cars
Just a question and for the record i am in no way being smart or having a dig
isnt defamation on the same lines as slander ie: if they made comments toward your abilities to your profession.
These people simply doubt you are a lawyer. They havent made harmful comments about your profession or you as a person.
Football Meatpies Kangaroos and Holden Cars …you have whos addresses ? I agree with AndrewM unless your Alborz or the other writers for CA how do you access peoples addresses?
MMMMM very interesting!
Football Meatpies Kangaroos and Holden Cars
Has displayed not even lawyers are perfect.
QUOTE= “Be very careful what is said. Dont bring defimation proceedings upon yourself as I do know your i.p address. You have no idea who or what I am so be careful and be afraid very afraid, No one is anonymous online.”
Perhaps you would know the spelling of “defamation” if you were a lawyer hey?
You can’t spell, and I will BET MY BOTTOM DOLLAR that you are NOT a lawyer. Please show all of us how hardcore you are and display my IP address to all here so we can see what a l33t hax0r you realy are.
I can take reading a lot of people’s rubbish, but this one takes the cake – if anoyone wants to be anonymous they can simply post from many of the anonymous proxy sites available on the web – many of which are in countries AUS + USA have no control nor jurisdiction over so they can’t be forced to reveal informaton!!
If he was a lawyer he wouldn’t be driving a Holden :)
True he would be driving a HSV……..just before he saw the light and traded it in on something FPV!hehehe Wheelnut will nail me now!!!Just jokes darling still LUV YA!!!!
Ross ……….your back! Nice to have some cool weather I guess!!pfftttttt
look out meat pies and kangawoos has my ip address, well I just recieved his so he is unfortunately in trouble, let us see what the law has to say about an 18 year old hacker lawyer spooking blog readers and writers…sorry scare tactics are useless here..
It’s generally accepted that if you can hold off; you don’t buy the first of a brand new series or model as that’s when the majority of problems occur.. particularly when it’s a completely new change [like VZ toe VE] and not just a facelift.
However; these recalls are to rectify potential faults not a proven fault like a supercharger causing an engine to seize and start a small fire in a new FWD car.
Football…, how do you get to see our I.P adresses? Or are you making it up to scare us?
Elitist – you say other countries hunt whales for food.. which is true but the icelandicks and canadian eskimos etc hunt using traditonal methods in their own waters.. and unlike the Japs they utilise every part of the whale not dump the carcass in the water etc.
Whale meat is apparently high in energy therefore in order to last through an arctic winter you would only need 1-2 full size whales not 100-200
Thing is: If it’s for “research” purposes – If the japanese haven’t discovered all their is to know about whales etc after close to 40 years of whaling.. then they’re not as smart as we are lead to believe..
What no come back……Wheelnut ? I have a big wooden spoon…..as you know.hahaha
Luv ya too BM.. However I expect a legal eagle would rather be seen by his clients in something like an Aston Martin.. at least that way they know they’re being ripped off.. as opposed to just thinking they are
Football… hahaha did you just watch an epidsode of Today tonight or something that everyone can find out your credit card number and your whole identity when you move your mouse?
Since when did this article move to arguments about racism anyway? Isn’t it about the VE recall, i guess its different than what almost every post on this site ends up being, a slinging match that ford is better than holden that is better than toyota that is better than hyundai.
Wheelnut, nice comment about the Aston’s.
For some reason Elitist mentioned it so i thought I’d give him a bit more info..
I mean just because another country did/does it doesn’t make it right.. you have to consider why and how etc.
The icelanders kill enough to survive from year to year..and leave the others for next season.
Whereas the japanese kill as many as they can not realising that oneday it will al be gone and along with it one of their biggest [barbaric] industries.. which is both good and bad I guess.
How can you people give a damn about Aussie Cars. Both Holden and Ford are crap. You can’t boycott Japanese cars because of whaling. Japanese cars are far superior. I have had 8 Japanese cars over my lifetime, and they have never had a fault. I even know people that own Japanese cars they bought 20 years ago, and the cars are still going strong, it is as if they are brand new. I have had 5 ‘Aussie’ cars (both Holden and Ford) and they have had so many bloody problems it is not funny. I am looking to replace my VZ ‘Bommodore’ this year, and Holden and Ford are both off my list. Japanese are far superior, and some people may whinge about their extra cost at purchase, they are stupid. You may pay more, but you get far superior quality, and well built cars. My VZ, (which is a newer car than my Subaru) has spent more time in the Service department than what my subaru has. The current problem with my VZ: The Gearbox is crap, oil is leaking, the fuel gauge is crap, and I still have the piece of crap in my garage. I would buy Japanese any day over Holden or Ford. And as if Football, Meatpies, Kangaroos and Holden Cars is a lawyer. If you were, you would not be driving a Holden, you would actually buy a car that is decent. And even if the VE is a better drive (compared to a VZ), a 20 year Japanese car has a superior ride than a brand new VE. As if it cost a Billion Dollars to design and build. More like 1 cent.
Recall – Whats the big deal even the best have recalls.
Its a pity for Holden and the punters who have got the hassle of returning their cars.
I don’t believe anyone has been vindictively racist. Meatpies is probably a Holden employee who bought a VE.
You’re a wind up BM…naughty girl
Phootbawl, Meet Pyes, kangerooze and etc etc…you’re no lawyer, son.
A lawyer spelling defamation as defimation? That’s like me not being able to spell hoam loan and I’m a Mowartgige broaker.
Mikka is obviously not a supporter of local industry and clearly prefers imported goods at the cost of the local livelyhood. Australia needs a car industry and well as imported cars to strike a balance.
AW,
ive never had any problems with falcons and nor does any one else i know (well nothing to cry about)
does that mean i should clear the falcon from my garage and go buy a Jap because you said they are crap?
get over. it i know people who have had problems with their Jap cars aswell.
oh and please name these jap cars that give a better ride than the VE……….
the aussie platforms are renowned as having world class dynamics hence why other countries want our RWD platforms.
A jap fwd out handle our falcon or Commy? I doubt it
i think you are making up life tales just like good ole meat pies has started to do. gee its great how you can be anyone on the internet hey.
you cant be too bright if you found japs were the best yet you still kept buying these Aussie heaps of shyte time and time again
Rumbled!!!! not me that is
The reason we give a crap about Aussie cars;
which I admit in some ways aren’t as good as the imports [though in someways they're better]
is because we Ford and Holden Fans realise how important the industry is to the economy..
Now you mightn’t work directly within the Automotive industry. Given our skill shortage its more likely youd be in Finance; Retail; Hospitality.. and therefore think that you wouldn’t be affected should the Australian Auto Industry close.
Yet I can give you a detailled hypothetical scenario which will show just how much of an impact the loss of the 4 local autos will have on you and the economy..
However it would be rather long and you probably wouldn;t believe it anyway.
So to put it simply look what happens to the environment when a particular animal or food source disappears..
The economy is like a finely balanced eco-system.
In short: no car industry > high unemployment [30-50%] millions of people dependent on centrelink > higher taxes
hahaha…….Golfschwein……….so true!!!!!!!hahaha your a crackup! Honey no Baileys??? Im not coming down…..not down,down…..hell you know what I mean!hehe
NO Name……..some one has to bring some humor to the crap that happens here sometimes….me and Wheelnut…..what can I say!!Hes hot!
Smart guys are a turn on!!!!!Especially ones you cant tame……
AW = A brain washed neutral nut and needs to go back to Japan
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ANOTHER RECALL. Although I will give them some credit, unlike Ford they have tried to develop an all new vehicle… not just change the sheet metal (ie gimmick of a new car). As for this local industry fluff, yes they care so much about Australia they sack hundreds of workers. Wake up out of your fairy world, it is a compnay… sharehodlers #1. Furthermore its a yank company, so the locals are even further down the corporate list of importance. Same applies to Toyota…. but at least they use their power to some effect in Australia; not only employing Australias in various areas (production, export) but ALSO sponsoring many many local events unlike the locals who are nowhere to be seen (no doubt because they are that far in the red they cant afford it)
Oh and I find it LAUGHABLE people here are like ‘oh give them a break, they are local, there are bound to be problems’ yet when a similar recall occurs with Toyota all hell breaks loose. Toyota are part of the local car manufacturing industry you twats… wake up to this fact.
TP…….the difference being I guess when we stand up for Holden were not extremist and think they are perfect…bragg how many cars they sell.ra ra ra ra……..You come across that they are flawless at Toyota never have I said GMH and Ford Australia DON’T have problems!
I accept that yes they have faults….like every one does!
Its a yank company?????? So are you telling us Holden make nothing from exporting and it all goes to the good old USA? Why are the YANKS so surprised how good a job we do at manufacturing compared to them and the UK thinks the same!
Gee…….Ive never done so much GMH backing…..but I guess I’m a true Australian to support our product!What ever it is!
TP,
if you are only here to start arguments once again then rack off!!!!!!!!!!!!!
when you say toyota i hope you dont mean the toyota that is the worlds #1 recalled brand….
oh and ford and holden dont sponsor events hey??
well take off your toyota glasses and turn on the cricket. you know the sport that australia is unbeatable at.
holden also sponsors the footy too so dont start bringing your ill perceptions round here no more
BM,
no its not just backing australians,
its also backing fair comments and trying to stamp out missleading ones
apart from that well put
BM,
You did a great job backing up GMH and Holden, because you are a ford fan arent you? So that would have taken alot of effort!
Na…..Duck…as Andrew says its about supporting fair comments…..!
LOL @ Toyota Paul! The reason why you don’t know who sponsors cricket is beacuse you don’t like aussie sports.
Paul hates: V8 Supercar, now Cricket. WHAT NEXT?
Im every bit as Australian as anyone on this board and australian cars embarrasses me like AFL’s Sam Newman does.
Hamburgers, Sunnyboys, Blue Heelers and Neighbours pointed out Holden and Ford were more Australian than Toyota stating their origins in AU since late 40’s…
So this means after 60ish years in Au theyre still building this rubbish…
Get rid of em and give us a decent car made in AU to be proud of.
Both Holden and Ford CEO’s are American…And so is their head R&D guys.
Wheelnut im totally against whaling, im actually a big animal lover…
BUT hate towards Japs and boycotts isnt the answer cause not all Japs eat whales.
This attitude falls in the same category as those dumb bias aussies who wanted the Tsumani Aid money back when Chapelle Corby the “obvious” drug dealer was convicted.
With he Japanese, their ethics and pride in building cars is far superior. I have known car manufacturers who say after working 20 odd years for Ford Holden, when you want to build something with pride and be taken care of financially, YOU go work for Toyota.
BM – you drive a bmw yourself , enough said. I’m so over your whole act of ‘oh look at me I back up holden or whatever the topic is’ .. :P
Sorry guys, but exactly what would the English know about build quality?? Member Rover, jaguar, Leyland, they are just happy if an apple is round.
The yanks, they are like the french, we laugh at em :)
What whole act Chaser??? Drive a BM yes but also have FPV product. What does any of that have to do with me supporting Australian products?
Chaser you don’t seem to have a comment on the subject just bag the people that do!
Yeah you tell him BM Grrrrrr
WTF, the VE is A car, I was gonna say that all VE people will burn in hell…apparently holden beat me to it…
JESUS CHRIST, The worlds gone mad!!!! WTF took you so long to return? Save us Jesus! :D
Hey 280ZX………sometimes I have to get my growly teeth out! Hell you and I have had some ripper snarling matches in the beginning didn’t we?
Some just don’t want to get on with others though!
We certainly did but in the end no one wins being like that :O) Oh yeah petrol is still $1.35 in Melbourne when this hike meant to take place ??
Australia will be stupid to make the Commodore bestseller again this year! Please learn your lesson that:
1. Holden is only posing as an Oz brand whereas their cars and several components come from bogus places overseas.
2. The Commodore has since been a piece of crap. Enough said.
Well Fred, Maybe this year should be different with a new Falcon and all…I hate to say this, but Toyota might go higher than last year.
True 280ZX…..do drive one of those or what?
Petrol…….I paid $1.52 for 98 yesterday! Get this though…BP Ultimate is refined here so you would expect it to be cheaper….but nope!
Andrew M: Congrats on owning a Falcon that hasn’t had any problems: You are in a minority. And you obviously don’t have many friends then (or know many people) No, I am not saying that you should go and buy a jap car becuase I said aussie cars are crap. This is a blog, where people are free to outline their opinions. If you beleive that what i said is correct for you, then you are a complete moron. I gave my opinion based on prior experience. And a Jap FWD, does actually outhandle a Commodore or Falcon. Maybe you should read some magazines, papers, internet reviews. If you did, then you would see that more Jap FWD’s outhandle both the Commodore and Falcon. Do your research before you make these statements. For example: Mazda 6 Sports: Rated as being a better handler than both the Commodore and Falcon in many reviews. There is 1 example. There are plenty more to come. No I am not making up life tales. In my life time I have had a vast experience of motor vehicles. All types of vehicles, including Aussie, Japanese and German. I actually don’t buy these cars. Some people that actually work for a living in a decent job get cars as part of their salary. I don’t argue with what cars I get. But when I purchase my second car, I will buy something decent. And anyway, as I previously stated, My VZ is due for replacement, and this time I will choose the Work car I get, and it will definitely not be a Ford or Holden.
Wheelnut: Don’t bullshit us, you know that the economy would be better off without the car industry. The amount of money that the government pours into the car industry to just try and keep it running. And then they go and sack all these people from their jobs so they can import their engines for their cars. That is what Ford has done, and has thrown many people out on to the street because it is more ‘cost effective’ to import their engines. What next, Ford and Holden will shut down their factories and import teir cars already made because it is ‘cost effective’. Holden and Ford fans could not give a stuff about the economy. If they knew what was good for them They certainly would not be buying cars in companies that are American Owned, (even though you are all so Naive to believe that they are Australian Made and Owned) and buying cars that are full of problems. No I don’t work in the Automotive Industry, but by the sounds of it you do. No, I am not effected by the Australian Automotive industry in one way at all, and neither is over half of the Australian Population. But at the moment, the Australian Population is more affected by the Automotive Industry in Australia still up and running as the government has to put money into the industry to keep it running.
And your comment at the bottom of your blog: In Short. What a load of crap. Most of that will happen under a Labor Government anyway. Plus, what about the all the people that are still at centrelink, I wouldn’t be surprised if you rocked up there often. And 30-50% of the working population are not working within the car industry, so if the car industry was to collapse (will happen sooner than later) there would only be a 20% unemployment rate (at maximum)
Oz. I am not going to respond to your comment. You are an absolute idiot. I am not from Japan, and you are the brainwashed one as you believe that the Australian Car industry is actually good.
TP: I agree with everything you have said.
Andrew M: You are a bit hippocritical if you tell someone to go away when all they are going to do is start an argument. I think you should look in the mirror because then you will see who is really creating the arguments.
Elitist, I also agree with everything you have said: People take notice of him, unlike you, he and TP actually have a brain.
AW some very good points made… but I GUARRANTEE you they fall on deaf ears. The local industry is known for one thing and one thing only, producing poor quality vehicles are premium prices. The day the tariffs and other protection of the local industry go, along with Ford and Holden Australia who wont be able to compete, we will as consumers be far better off in a market with a level playing field, not one who protects and provides govt handouts to the inefficient entities (Ford + Holden) within it.
Toyota Paul (TP), hates V8 supercars, but he likes V6 Supercharged FWD Supercars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha!
Um,AW? You would have to be an idiot your self as you hate the Australian car market.
GROW UP
Sorry, AW is also a hippocrit.
Oz you are incoherent, now this is a fact not a claim like you have just made against AW. As for V8 Supercars, I dont mind them… not a finatic though. Also in relation to sponsoring someone made reference to V8 supercars, I hope your aware they seek to benefit significantly from that, its a money making venture… sponsorships that Toyota do aernt so directly linked to income (more advertising, rather then a income producing activity)
OZ. If you actually paid attention to what I have written, then you would know that I did not say I hate the Australian Car Market. I was making valid statements about the Car market, which is different to hating the car market. And a question for you, How am I a hippocrit? Thanks TP, for your comments as well.
Well TP, yes you would make a comment like that as you have a problem about Ford/Holden supporters.
OZ, you have shown your intelligence. I asked you a simple question and you didn’t answer it.
Oh sorry I’ll take back the word “hippocrit”
Just to change the subject back to recalls. Lexus yes Lexus has just recalled 4000 vehicles in the UK IS250’s & GS300. Guess what for faulty fuel pies likely to cause cars. http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/new.....ew_article
Well that says it all me thinks. Even the luxury brands get clobbered. Aren’t Lexus part of Toyota Mikka..
Just checked BMW as well. In March 2007 MY2006 3 series models were recalled for faulty master cylinders 13128 of them.
Yes but if the 40 odd thousand people who are directly employed in the auto industry in Australia lost there jobs if the local manufacturing operations were to close.. there would be 40,000 people who
Would spend their savings inorder to survive once that’s gone theres 25′000 less bank accounts – less transactions; less charges; less profits etc which would result in more sackings
can no longer afford to buy an [imported] cars LCD TVs Computers Furniture or Electrical items – downturn in retail.. more closures and sackings
can no longer afford to build or buy a home – result in a downturn in domestic construction or real estate activity which could mean more people being sacked
afford to go on holiday here or overseas – downturn in activity for airlines hotels and restaurants.. more people lose their jobs
I could go on about the impact in other industries but Hopefully uou get the idea.
By this stage due to the downturn in other industries there would most likely be at least an extra 100;000 sacking in industries such as Banking; Retail; Construction; Tourism etc. which it appears you believe wouldn’t be affected by the loss of such a major industry
20% max unemployment [thats conservative] haven’t you heard of the snowball or millpond effect. If the Auto industry goes the rate will be 8-10% then as the downturn in spending hits other industries the rate will gradually increase.
As I said the Auto industry directly employs approx 40000. [Holden employs approx 10000 - [x4]] so lets assume the other industries employ similar amount of people but the downturn only affects half of those in each industry.
Given for example there are 20 other “major” industries in the country that would mean 20×20000=400000 people which would take the unemployment rate to well over 20%.. it would be within the
And as the rate rises there will be a greater dependancy on Social Welfare. Thereforel inorder to cover it the govt will have to inrease taxes on those who still have a job
Which means they too would have less to spend which would hit the industries like Retail Building Tourism for a second time resulting in possibly more job losses and an even higher unemployment rate
Otherwise they’d issue a defecit budget [spend more than they receive] which would also have a negative immpact on the economy..
Another opption for the govt would be more increase foreign borrowing However given the interest rate which they have to pay they would probably increase taxes again.
The reason the govt sinks so much money into it is because its a major industry and they want them to stay.. in the same way they offer the farmers and miners tax breaks or other incentives.
FYI I don’t work in the Auto Industry its just that I have an interest in what goes on in Australia and the impact [good/bad] the possible outcomes could have.. and no I am not a govt employee or an economsit either!
Andrew – Ford Motor Corp is currently the single biggest recalled company not Toyota … get it right. They recalled 3.5 million is one foul swoop remember.
And another point – if Holden is ‘SUPPOSEDLY’ so Australian (beside the fact that they are 100% American owned and import thousands of vehicles annually themselves) then explain why Toyota sponsors own very own national sport (AFL) – of which cricket is not.
No Name – i am all for local production – just not Holden crap … that’s all.
AW – you are the dude man … with you here i can take my hat off and rest for awhile.
Duck – liking highly refined FWD performance cars is bad because … !!
TP – our local market is not entirely known for building poor quality cars because Toyota and Mistsubishi put together damn fine cars. Unfortunately – Holden and Ford with thier efforts tarnish that for others … regrettedly.
Holden and Ford are making poor quality products not Toyota or Mitsubishi whom are also local manufactuers of equal recognition.
ps … a note for the regulars – who know who you’s are : I take it that you people should be getting the message load and clear by now that not everybody actually wants a Holden or Ford !! Infact, going by the very latest statistics of December 2007 and 2007’s overall results … that is becoming more true every year. Infact, did you people see how poorly the Commodore sold in December – 3600 units – must be a record for the least in how many years … !!
he, he, he, ha, ha, ha … i’m lov’n it.
Guess your not to worried about a small recall then Wheelnut. I don’t think it will harm much in the long run. The bigger problem is selling cars that people really want and not gas guzzlers.
My view is (and I’m not slagging the average Australian off) is that you don’t want to move off the traditional large 6/8 cylinder cars, whereas in reality you want to spend less on fuel, thereby needing smaller engined cars. Holden don’t offer you a decent alternative that you’re happy with at the moment. Rebadged Korean make will not suffice.
Mikka,
who are you saying recalled 3.5 million in one swoop? i know toyota did is that who you mean? if you mean ford you better tell me more about it
here is a quote on recalls………
“Toyota has once again passed Ford in worldwide auto sales and may
pass GM sometime this year.
But what you may not have seen is that Toyota has already passed both Ford
and GM in a different category – automotive recalls.”
it went on to display figures and blab on heaps of other crap but it made it clear toyota was well and truely out in front with recalls for this year AGAIN and this year was set to pass their previous years record breaking recall figures
also how did other makes compare to the commys lower december sales?
i doubt car sales enjoy their boom season during the holiday season. who can afford to buy cars when they want a plasma for chrissy.
i’d assume the percentage drop in sales for the commy would be seen over all makes during christmas.
I realise not everyone may not want a ford or holden and who am i to push the idea on others. as long as their is one for me i wont complain.
I’ll tell ya why toyota sponsors AFL……..
well its effectively the biggest Billboard in australia thats why. i love how you try to make out toyota gives them heaps of money out of the kindness of their heart. if i saw toyotas books and it reflected no tax deductions for sponsorship then yes I’d say they are good blokes.
also criket is more of an australian tradition than AFL. just because it isnt solely an australian played sport doesnt mean that australians dont hold it close to their heart.
Wheelnut nice economics but you neglect the positives. For starters your 40,000 people unemployed is a complete exaggeration, without production in Aus of course there would be a downsize (didnt ford and holden sack ppl only recently?) but there would still be many positions left over within the companies to operate within Australia. Further supporting this is the fact that importing will create more jobs in this area. Lastly and the most important given your massive economic ‘downturn’ as a result of it, with a more competitive market consumers will result in cheaper vehicles, savings for consumers. Here is some Year 11 calcs for you…
Lets say cars will reduce in price by $5000 (not that much considering in the U.S cars are $10k+ cheaper then ours… including imports), now we know 1,000,000 vehicles were bought this year and previous years, so this results in the following figure being kept by consumers to be spent in other areas, thus proving your little theories about decreasing spending and downturn wrong:
1,000,000 x $5000 = 5,000,000,000
FIVE BILLION DOLLERS IN THE WALLETS CONSUMERS
Now this is compared to the 40,000 jobs, which mind you are an exaggeration… and mind you wouldnt all be lost n e way… with the average Aussie income of $55,000p.a
40,000 x $55,000 = 2,200,000,000
TWO POINT TWO BILLION DOLLARS
A pre-school kid could tell you which figure is higher… and thus which would benefit the economy more…. and this shows how your little ideas about it resulting in all this unemployed are totally misguided. Mind you this is just a simple example, Im not going into detaisl… keep it simple, but I have done economics both at school and uni.
no name,
i for one dont want to move off my 6cyl because a small car cant do what a large car can.
and if im worried about the cost of fuel i’d be laughing as i drive by small cars, in my large car with a little red LPG sticker on the number plate
TP,
if you think cars will lose 5K off the price overnight then you need to stop worrying about grade 11 maths and start thinking about “post school” life facts.
cars wont get cheaper end of story. the taxes have already reduced and the aussie dollar has gone high yet no decrease in vehicle prices.
also dont forget all the other taxes the government will impose on vehicles such as the stamp duty increase.
its kind of like toll roads where they say its to recoup the money invested in such road ways yet 10yrs after the fact the infrastructure could have been paid off 3 times yet we still have to pay the toll
Hi Andrew
Big cars don’t necessarily need big engines. Remember we (UK) had the omega (same as a Commodore) with engines from 2.0 litre to 3.2 litre, the former being more common plus a BMW sourced 2.5litre. Same car smaller engine. Worked OK here with many doing high mileages. I have in the past done 77,000Kms per year in a 1.8TD Mondeo, with no problems at all other than regular servicing, and that was banging around at 130 -140Kkmh. How about 11K kmh in 6 weeks commuting to work on a 380K daily round trip.
Nuff said, its up to you mate, I personally don’t have a problem about big cars but why moan about fuel prices. Yes I spotted you gas.
RECALL
Commodore 1989 – 1997
Transmission Fluid may overheat, leak and catch fire
(V6) L645621-L979936
(V8) L645621 L986809
Commodore 1997 – 2006
(1) Fuel feed hose may leak which is a potential fire hazard
VS & VT (V8) Models
(2)Brass nuts on LPG supply line may crack causing leaks and fire risk.
VT & VX (V6)
(3) The seat lifter motor may short circuit and the seat may catch fire.
Another recall, same model, sorta related problem
(4)Front brake hose may dislodge causing break failure
VE – 2006 -
I think we are all aware of these 2 recalls…
Same issues keep popping there heads up guys, Holden refines problems, it does not rectify them apparently.
James,
RECALL
Falcon- All AU models
(1)AU models have longer braking distance due to loss of of the front brakes
(2)May lose all brake fluid
Falcon- Models from Sep. 2002- Mar. 2007
200,000 vehicles affected
(1) Brake hose in all 200,000 cars
Falcon- From 2006-2007 all recalled
3,788 vehicles affected
(1)LPG Service Valve Tap was the problem and it may have caused the LPG to leak
Whats your point james!
Duck, possible fire risk thru inept fuel system design is an inherent trait of the commodore, almost like DNA, last 3 models have had this issue, fix the bloody problem is my point, are you retarded?
TP – just wanted to correct u on something earlier – the fact that ford have laid off workers recently is not a bad reflection on them incomparison to holden – for unlike gm they have continued to utilise and manufacture the i6 here in australia for production in the falcon. Whilst they have now announced the switch to an imported v6 post the orion – the i6 continues production until the focus comes into production here. So whilst some workers will lose there jobs – ford has minimised the impact as much as possible by A) holding out aslong as they have and b) providing a viable alternative demand in a growing not shrinking market segment (ie small cars).
Furthermore Ford has maintained great build quality in small cars and safety to boot by choosing the european not korean built small cars. once again a car which will be built in Aus in future. Ford also do support sporting events. probably already mentioned buyt have u heard of the FORD Ranger cup perhaps, a smaller domestic competition showing ford’s commitment to developing leagues.
This among many other issues and experiences is why i buy and continue to support ford whilst they are present in the australian market. A company which imports quality when neccessary, considers safety of austral;ian motorists to be important, and will minimise the reduction in employment numbers if possible whilst remaining as independant and individual of its american counterparts as possible. Admitedly they are not in the best finacial shape, but never the less i love the v8 supercars (dont own a v8) and will continue to support the most australian of brand names while they continue to have the right business attitude towards australians
JAMES,
Loss of brakes can cause people to crash……………are you RETARDED?
oh dear duck, you really are retarded, hmmm, brakes and steering, lets go shall we;
1.1989 -19997
cruise control may jam the throttle open
L811209-L876948
front suspension strut to knuckle attaching bolts may break
812212-815124
steering rack may break, reducing steering control
2. 1997 -2006
There are so many
Front brake hose may become dislodged causing brake failure
6h8vtx69pwl262756 – blahblah
Heres a beaut for you duck :)
brake pedal may stop working
L2876211 – L321633
COMPUTER CONTROLLING SAFETY SYSTEMS MALFUNCTIONS
AIRBAGS AND SEATBELT PRE TENSIONERS MAY NOT WORK PROPERLY………. BUT wait when you may be getting out of the car..
The front side airbags may deploy when an occupant is exiting the vehicle
There are some more btw, you think im a ford fan, lol, you are a tool holdenboy :) I just detest shoddy workmanship.
How stupid are you duck, 2 and a bit models, almost 40 recalls, perhaps you should have posted your stats for Lada instead of Ford, hahaha
Ducky btw thanks for the ford worries, really, why would you buy either of these?
QUACK QUACK
I love it. I think this is Holden at its best. Will make people think before they buy a new holden n they might wait for the ford. The commodore is good but next time i hope they dont rush it because they always have to do recalls.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at both the problems listed for both Falcon and Holden, and the comments made from one person to the other.
One could get hooked on this entertainment.
I cracked up about the electric motor wiring on the seat adjuster short circuiting and possibly setting the seat on fire. Would’nt It be great to read in the news that a senior GM official was recovering from severe burns to his arse as a result of his seat catching fire! I bet that problem would be fixed forthwith and heads would roll.
Unfortunately it would only happen to some poor consumer.
JAMES,
I’m not just sticking up for HOLDEN i also stick up for other car companies, but it just sounds like that you are making Holden sound like crap and just like one companie….all the time!
And what car would you prefer to own JAMES?
Cobra 302,
i thought you would prefer ford, rather than Holden?
funny story: guy from my office wants to buy a new car, spends 70% of his working week in it so wants a bit more space than his current mazda astina, trips to melb (from Launceston) to buy the calais, against my advice, gets to biggest holden delership in vic and speaks to sales person who i quote “the second hand vz calais or berlina i have here are far better cars than the new ve u r looking at, there is less commission in for me, but trust me i have driven both and the ve just doesnt compare”
whilst i am sure i will get plenty of comments regarding this story it is a true story. Made me wonder how it gets car of the year from Wheels, an award i held in high regard until recently. He is now back in tassie and has gone to the local honda delership to buy a new accord or a ex demo liberty.
Andrew – you have just absolutely blown me away with your shear lack of knowledge.
The biggest ‘one hit’ recall Toyota had last year (or was that the year before) was 2.2 million globally yet Ford toppled that with 3.5 million recalled globally because of a potentialy faulty cruise control mechanism/switch.
SURELY … SURELY you must have know that !!
Please tell me that you did !!
Oh yeah – Andrew … did yo also know that Ford has ‘one of’ or ‘the biggest’ fatality list because of faulty comnoents on thier cars – does the Firestone tire drama ring any bells in the US killing something like 280 occupants in total.
Oooch !!
bought a VE V6 COMMODORE last July and was unlucky to be punted up the rear on Dec 6,the car is still in the panel shop awaiting a new exhaust pipe which for some reason Holden cannot suply until the end of Jan.Calls to Customer service have not brought any reason why so long, and sorry we had to cancel holiday plans.We feel that Holden have sold their car & taken our money too bad! now a recall as well First and last time ,should have stuck with Mitsubishi!!!
DUCK, I dont need to make Holden sound like crap, they can do that so very well on their own :)
Cars, for me? Well, just so you can fire away, Jetta turbo(petrol), also a 1999 lexus IS200 (manual), I know its old now, and somewhat underwhelming performance wise, but I just love it and cant get rid of it. Also share an outlander with the wife 2.4M.
I assume you weren’t asking if I would prefer a holden or a ford? Seriously, just in case, none, would go the 380 if I had to.
your story probably warrants a post on the complaints section of this page
Thanks for the comments here Mikka. But I think I may as well give up as most people are so dumb that they will ignore all the valid points that people like you and I make. Anyway, they can waste their money on cars with problems. Their problem, not mine.
mikka – ford us is completely different from ford australia and always has been. what was those firestone drams in the common us lincoln – not likely to occur in the local falcon – in otherwords completely irrelevant. Fair enough if your going to have an iopinion and make an arguement, but make relevant points
Actually, I don’t see how you can state Falcon as “american” Mikka. If FordUS weren’t so arrogant they would already be using our local product, as GM is finally starting to use Holden.
AW, my car had a minor leaking water pump (needed topping up in 2 months) replaced under warranty. ONLY problem in 7 years and 107,000kms. Toyota has its fair share of recalls too.
The problem is Watto…is that we as Ford fans and Holden fans admit we have down falls.Toyota lovers…..cover it up!
And to be fair to Toyota lovers on this site………..theres really only about 3 that let you down as professed supporters/extremists!!!!
The thing is most of the 3 wouldn’t buy a home grown Holden or Ford EVER…..but would support a Toyota in all its down falls and recalls cause simply they are extremists…..Us….the rest of the norm……Ford Fairies included! We look at what suits our needs and likes!Simple!! Weigh it up with our wants and go buy it!!!
Right on BM, I can appreciate Toyotas (not the Hilux or Corolla tho). If someone walked up to me and said “here’s a TRD Aurion for 30% off”, I sure wouldn’t say no.
But for a similar price bracket tho, I want an F6 Typhoon. Orion because it’ll be the last of the I6’s. To quote HSV “I just want one.”
Hahahaha Ford fans admit they have down falls Hahahahahahah. The problem is, the Ford fairies are finally being shown up, previously when this place was 100% Ford alot of misinformation was floating around, especially related to Toyota, now the truth is coming out as we ‘keep the bastards honest’.
Andrew.M you are quick to attack my post re to local industry yet nothing against Wheelnuts. The fact is reducing protection and govt handouts will result in a more competitive industry. You give an example of how they have reduced taxes and its had no effect, on the contrary, in previous years we were decades behind other countries in terms of features (such as ESP) now we are in line with the world. One example of what competition results in. What it can also result in is a reduction of price, as I said its very possible given the U.S has cars $10k+ cheaper then ours, showing it can be done. So please dont attack me becuase your just making yourself look like a fool, I provided a valid example of how Wheelnuts little calcs are a joke in terms of what effect either scenario will have on the economy, in reality its far more complicated.
Watto you dont like the Corolla (Worlds most popular vehicle) but even more unusual the Hilux (Worlds Toughest Vehicle). Anyone watch top gear the other week… that thing took an absolute beating, not only running in -35degs which is crazy but being smashed about. Meanwhile Fords cant even run in our relatively mild conditions.
Shown up!!! U no nothing u little daewoo lover. It took holden over 1 BILLION DOLLARS!!!! To build a car that is only marginally better then the current falcon range. Sorry but come March Holden will once again be OVERALL be the maiden bitch to it supriour FORD. Oh and buy the way, Holdens biggest mistake was to put them weak as piss V6’s in the rail of there clown car and the V8 is nothin but a piston slapper. N u tp, ur a typical one eyed holden/hsv holden fan with a big mouth, u r the type of guy that gives holden/hsv the name that they have now. HSV I just want to HUMILIATE one!!!!
How is the Hilux the “Worlds Toughest Vehicle”? Sorry, but i’ll take the facts thanks.
Duck, i do prefer Ford, but im not one eyed n get pretty fired up when i see things been writen like what tp has been writting. I will give credit to any car where it is due.
Still waiting….
To the person that wrote the comment as Cobra 302 first in this page, please change your name as i have been using this one for ages, how about GTHO, that’ll be a good one i havent seen
Hay oz, what car manufacturer do u prefer?
Cobra 302. You know….FORD, allthough I’m not biased.
Toyota Paul: Looks like you just had a down fall, Saying the Hilux is the Toughest Vehicle in the world. verry, VERRY WRONG!
I always thought u where a smart man oz LOL, good to no more people r flyin the ford flag high, sticken it to the other kind LOL
Well, TP, I stand by my “opinion”. I can’t beleive I just agreed with you on another post then I see the stuff you wrote on this one.
I have that Top Gear episode sitting on my hard drive from last Monday (my bro filled me in on its content) haven’t had the chance to watch it. Took it way north he said. I will watch it when I get the chance.
I stand by “my” not liking the Hilux. My brother owns a 2000 2.7L petrol hilux. It’s lucky to get 450kms to a tank. It is CRAP in the bush. We always get left behind by our mates in their patrols and cruisers. Suspension is FAR too hard, we’re on 3 wheels most of the time. AND it busted a belt thousands of kms before it was due for replacement.
BTW, he wants to sell it for an RTV ute because we’re now more into dirt bike enduros, blue light rallys, etc so he just needs a good ute that can handle a few rough tracks. So if you want a cheap Hilux in good condition, here’s your chance.
So I’m not just bagging it for the sake of it Toyota Paul. It is a fine commercial hack, but substandard for real bushbashing and not that nice on the road either. That’s “why” I don’t think much of the Hilux.
BTW Ford Australia don’t “make” a proper 4WD for our conditions, which is a pity.
NOW IM NOT VERY WRONG KNOW YOUR FACTS AND TAKE THEM!!! Top Gear did a whole thing on the Hilux, they voted it the worlds toughtest vehicle. The recent episode in the snow further supported this as it battled -35 degrees and was absolutely smashed about by their driving. Obviously forgetting their little tests for it which is just for show, the fact that they thought it had this reputation and warranted an episode (which connects with their audience who also know about its reputation) is enough. Do you think they even know about the Falcon/Commodore ute or more to the point, think its tough? HIGHLY DOUBTFUL. So yes I find it unsual that someone would be against the Corolla, the worlds most popular car, and the hilux, worlds toughest ute.
paultan.org/archives/2006/01/11/jeremy-clarkson-tests-the-toyota-hiluxs-hardiness/
I never said anything against Hiluxs toughness, aside from the built it has never failed him/us. And I will watch that episode. As for Corolla, I just plain don’t like them, same as you don’t like anything Holden or Ford TP.
That means the Hilux is tougher than a semi trailer? I doubt it.
Ford do have tougher vechiles than a Hilux – the F-SERIES!
Oops “built” was supposed to be “belt”.
You seem to think I’m slagging off Toyota for the fun of it. As I said, our mates in the Patrols and “Cruisers” flog us. Mate’s Turbo-Diesel Cruiser is a fantastic bushbasher, and pretty civilised on the road. Hilux is not. It is a tradies work hack and nothing more.
I do appreciate certain Toyota’s, but you hate anything blue oval or red lion.
No I dont hate everything Ford, Ive mentioned I like a few of their cars… even their V8s I have said are better then the Holdens pushrods. But facts are facts and Toyota does provide better vehicles overall. When I look for a new car (
OK part of my post was cut off… what I said at end is when I look for new car in near future I will be looking at all options and indeed no cars Toyota offers atm particularlly appeal to my needs.
im with ya watto,
i thought we were starting to be civilised with TP and agree on stuff on the other page then he comes out with this rubbish.
TP,
you are like a woman, not happy unless you are whinging or we are not happy.
the way i find the 2 vehicles in question (hilux and rolla) as overrated is due to them being far from class leaders……..simple.
i dont know what you are ranting on about in terms of local industry, but as i said cars will not become $5-10k cheaper overnight if the taxes lowered.
Toyota Paul, why do you allways come just to start an argument?
About Top Gear saying the Hilux being the toughest vehicle in the world…That is a figure of speech. Just because of a test doesn’t mean it’s really is toughest in the world. If it realy is, that means it has to be tougher than a semi trailer.
But what has gottin’ into you? You said….
“And as for hating Ford so much, I think if you look hard enough you will find positive comments made by me about Fords.”…
…Now you realy have a grudge againts them. Maybe you need to leave untill you can show some respect to things which arn’t your most loved, because there is a whole world out there you know!
If that’s the case, fair enough. What are you looking at atm?
Just as a joke, I think toughest vehicle would be more like those 250ton mining trucks(fit a dozen cars in the tray easy), or a train, lol.
Paul, it looks like you are learning now, so please keep it that way and no immature “Ford fairies” arguments. We will still like our Commodores and Falcons because we are proud of Australia’s Highest motorsport category and let us, Advance Australia fair. LOL
ha ha ha this is getting like show and tell….
the reason i love my falcon is no one makes something that suits me more. you have the comfort and pure pulling power all mashed together with a bit of style
QUOTE Toyota Paul=”No I dont hate everything Ford, Ive mentioned I like a few of their cars… even their V8s I have said are better then the Holdens pushrods. But facts are facts and Toyota does provide better vehicles overall.”
Yes I agree with that TP. I can’t remember which blog but I said Holden has better V8s and Fords have better 6’s. You said in regards to Holdens V8 something to the effect of “better numbers maybe, but unsophisticated engine” or “not better engine”… well something like that.
I agree wholeheartedly there. It’s funny how Chev’s old 2 valves/cylnder push-rod V8 is better than Ford’s modern 4 valve quad-cam V8 (although smaller capacity). And on the 6 pot side Ford’s inline 6 craps on Holdens Alloytech V6. Strange.
I won’t get into the taxes, and all that stuff. Know nothing about it.
Same here Andrew.M. Suits me down to the ground. I loved my Cortina’s when I was young, always wanted a larger car tho.
Paul, remember those days when you spruked on about Toyota over a servey and wrecked at least 3 Toyota posts by arguing then you got banned? …Oh the good old days!
oh yes OZ, those were the same old days where i was called a liar for quoting TP as saying “toyotas have bullet proof reliability”, even though i found those exact words from Paul and linked them
Yeah, reliability days. When he said he will find a comment to spite me! …Never happed
A lot of people has some sort of issues with all cars no matter where are they made…just check out ihatemycar dot com dot au
This is true…at ihatemycar.com.au plenty of people gave opinions on cars made in Japan and not all positive…so recalls means nothing as even best cars can get recalled for any reason.
Over the past few years holden has had the most recalls of any manufacturer-eg my last count was holden 68 to fords 26.
Certain areas of the media seem to think it is acceptable, but its not.
Let’s face it, no car is perfect. One will always have a defect on it. The issue here now is the consistency of defects. The Japs would have a handful of bad apples in the barrel, which is acceptable, but it seems that Holden has a lot of them all the time.
But why should they care? Australia, unfortunately, made the Commodore last month’s bestseller again.
Hi I am thinking of buying a 60th annaversary ve omega or a SV6. Do this years VE’s have the same problems as the earlier models or have they been fixed.
Thanks.
I have a VE S series commodore (auto) I have taken this car back a number of times
The gear box blew up after a couple months & replaced
the computer in the dash a number of times kept beeping & saying ABS /Stability control/take to dealer. When I get there they say nothing wrong, in the end they say they updated the computers.
I have had the car battery fail then when I got it charged again the car wouldn’t drive kept cutting out. They said it was a dirty filter they charged me for that but this only happened after battery went flat & I don’t know why that went flat didn’t seem to be a reason.
Then I went to a shopping centre when I left the car park the car started crabbing up the road going sideways, when I took it to Holden they told me this was a shredded tyre rod end & could have happened by someone just bumping my tyre in the car park. Then they told me they don’t use the same tyre rod end they use a different brand (why if the original brand was ok ) so of coarse I had to pay for the 2 tyre rod end to be relaced so the car would not be lop sided ( $1250)
I told them to keep the tyre rod end that I wanted it, they lost it & then told me it wasn’t shredded it was bent like a banana. This car is my worst nightmare When I told the service centre all the problems he said ” Well it is a VE”
how can I find out about these tyre rod ends if the first brand was faulty.my car is out of warrenty I am on 120.000
Cheers
Maureen