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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-47020</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,that is the greatest load of unsubstantiated crap I have ever read,obviously made by an uninformed moron who is a Toyota hater and a person who can&#039;t stand the thought of Toyota being number 1 not only in numbers in Australia but also number 1 (by far) in build quality and customer satisfaction.the reason Ford don&#039;t export is because very few countries would accept the inferior build quality of their Aus. built cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,that is the greatest load of unsubstantiated crap I have ever read,obviously made by an uninformed moron who is a Toyota hater and a person who can&#8217;t stand the thought of Toyota being number 1 not only in numbers in Australia but also number 1 (by far) in build quality and customer satisfaction.the reason Ford don&#8217;t export is because very few countries would accept the inferior build quality of their Aus. built cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46858</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
the biggest thing with toyota pulling out is the export market.
they arent here to solely build and sell cars to australians.
they are building in one economy and selling in another therefore if conditions change in one it really doesnt become beneficial anymore.

whereas ford pretty much build AND sell in the same economy.

toyotas term here is dependant on the aussie dollar more so than the other makes

there is money to be made building vehicles in OZ if you are not exporting them.

its a totally different ball game when you are set up here pretty much to solely export like toyota is. they didnt come here to sell cars and make money out of the aussie auto market. they came here because it was effectively a cheap way to make cars that could be sold to the rest of the world

the thing id though toyota</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
the biggest thing with toyota pulling out is the export market.<br />
they arent here to solely build and sell cars to australians.<br />
they are building in one economy and selling in another therefore if conditions change in one it really doesnt become beneficial anymore.</p>
<p>whereas ford pretty much build AND sell in the same economy.</p>
<p>toyotas term here is dependant on the aussie dollar more so than the other makes</p>
<p>there is money to be made building vehicles in OZ if you are not exporting them.</p>
<p>its a totally different ball game when you are set up here pretty much to solely export like toyota is. they didnt come here to sell cars and make money out of the aussie auto market. they came here because it was effectively a cheap way to make cars that could be sold to the rest of the world</p>
<p>the thing id though toyota</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46854</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, yes toyota has done that, and why?

Return on investment, its that simple, if they cant make a dollar in AU, they will build elsewhere where they can. Now take it a step further, if toyo pull out cause there is no money in building vehicles in AU, the others will follow in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, yes toyota has done that, and why?</p>
<p>Return on investment, its that simple, if they cant make a dollar in AU, they will build elsewhere where they can. Now take it a step further, if toyo pull out cause there is no money in building vehicles in AU, the others will follow in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46820</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
the reason i see toyota will be the first to suffer he is because they have a lot more riding on the Aussie auto industry as they are export focused.

ford has kept to themselves a bit more and therefore are not as influenced by the price of eggs in china where as toyota and holden are (but more so toyota)
toyota has already threatened the govt that they will pull up stumps if new tax plans go ahead</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
the reason i see toyota will be the first to suffer he is because they have a lot more riding on the Aussie auto industry as they are export focused.</p>
<p>ford has kept to themselves a bit more and therefore are not as influenced by the price of eggs in china where as toyota and holden are (but more so toyota)<br />
toyota has already threatened the govt that they will pull up stumps if new tax plans go ahead</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46819</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikka,
i think what you just described about holdens marketing is the very secret to their  high selling commodore.

if only ford learned to slap a new grill on and call it a different series/model.
if they keep updating it people will see a need to purchase again (to keep up with the jones).

for eg fords Ba series and on has always stayed ahead of holdens offering even when holden throws in little update models.
so why does holden sell more then? because they have a new model to inspire buyers more often</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikka,<br />
i think what you just described about holdens marketing is the very secret to their  high selling commodore.</p>
<p>if only ford learned to slap a new grill on and call it a different series/model.<br />
if they keep updating it people will see a need to purchase again (to keep up with the jones).</p>
<p>for eg fords Ba series and on has always stayed ahead of holdens offering even when holden throws in little update models.<br />
so why does holden sell more then? because they have a new model to inspire buyers more often</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46635</link>
		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden/Ford seem to be doing the discount thing to gain sales from the comments made above. Here in Euroland this has been common for years. Ford &amp; GM amongst others register new cars to boost sales figures then sell them on as heavily discounted &#039;nearly new&#039;.

The only people to gain from discounting is the bulk fleet buyers. Its not fair on the privateers or really the manufacturers (but then thats their fault for discounting)

Sounds like a Toyota v Holden scrap is about to commence after reading the above. I&#039;m off to look at the Holden website to prove a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden/Ford seem to be doing the discount thing to gain sales from the comments made above. Here in Euroland this has been common for years. Ford &amp; GM amongst others register new cars to boost sales figures then sell them on as heavily discounted &#8216;nearly new&#8217;.</p>
<p>The only people to gain from discounting is the bulk fleet buyers. Its not fair on the privateers or really the manufacturers (but then thats their fault for discounting)</p>
<p>Sounds like a Toyota v Holden scrap is about to commence after reading the above. I&#8217;m off to look at the Holden website to prove a point.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stand corrected mikka, corolla is only 40% fleet sales, though those stats are marginally historical now. Ouch, thats a huge difference, wouldnt mind seeing the camry and aurion stats, anyone have those?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stand corrected mikka, corolla is only 40% fleet sales, though those stats are marginally historical now. Ouch, thats a huge difference, wouldnt mind seeing the camry and aurion stats, anyone have those?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46616</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might have got that the wrong way round man, apols if thats the case #!@#!$!@#$</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might have got that the wrong way round man, apols if thats the case #!@#!$!@#$</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46614</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys if Toyo Au is struggling, then the others are hurting a lot worse, this is an ongoing problem, Mits felt it first and now its filtering down. Return on investment simply isnt there, look at trends over 5 years, not just one year big profits :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys if Toyo Au is struggling, then the others are hurting a lot worse, this is an ongoing problem, Mits felt it first and now its filtering down. Return on investment simply isnt there, look at trends over 5 years, not just one year big profits <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mikka</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/9147/record-breaking-sales-all-round/#comment-46613</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James - as published by DRIVE ... Corolla sales are approx 60% PRIVATE not fleet while the Commodore and Falcon are approx 80% fleet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James &#8211; as published by DRIVE &#8230; Corolla sales are approx 60% PRIVATE not fleet while the Commodore and Falcon are approx 80% fleet.</p>
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