You are young and dumb, don’t have a job or a meaningful one at that going by the hours you spend on this blog day and night, have grown up lead by your father that Ford or Holden … or – Ford & Holden are the ‘to be had companies’ but as you divulge into the motoring industry you are slowly (at a great shock) relising that neither do many people share your views of the ‘two’ but niether are these companies quite cracked up to be according to how you have been lead to believe for the past 18 years.

Now that all this has come about, due to your relative inexperiance in the big, wide, harsh and mean world – you are not sure of what to make of it all as your aspirartions of Ford and/or Holden as being the ‘be all’ and ‘end all’ are quickly erroded.

So … how was that Andrew – pretty close to it or near enough.

I know… i know … you are gonna say no where near but haa – that’s what they all say.

Mikka and TP,
it was a one sided battle where you ran around in the room dancing and waving broomsticks in the air stabbing at pretend soldiers only amongst yourselves.

Never did you once open the door and come out from your safe place to face the full affects of a battle.

Our rocks were constantly hitting your cabin where you dance but all you did was hide under the table and cover your ears and then pop your head up and pretend you didnt hear anything else going on.

along with your december issue of vehicle sales dont forget to frame and hang your certificate from fleet sales Aust recognising your continued efforts to heavily discounting vehicles.

and sales means what by the way?????
certainly not a better vehicle as you are so quick to point out when the commodore takes the gong

awaiting a silly “we won we won” comment……………

We should all find out about Decembers cars sales (and lasts year total figure) soon so i am beside myself with anticipation.

Paul … are you just as excited as i am because soon well be able start some more fun at the expense of these clowns.

ooooh …. i have shivers down my spine.

you wont even make second place if you keep skipping and picking and choosing the arguments you respond to.

i can already count 4 or so arguments (just quickly) you were/are wrong on yet you convieniently dont respond to or offer a reply.
all your arguments consist mainly of you talking yourself up and telling yourself how good you are

i bet you graded your own papers in school too

Mikka,
mate, toyota DO NOT supply australia with a diesel or LPG alternative passenger vehicle which is contrary to what you like to think. th eonly one they supply us is hybrids.

the Prius isnt so invincible when it comes to consumption as you think either. the hyundai and peugeot are pretty much right with it and as i pointed out that is without the use of hybrid technology. i’d prefer the diesel because it offers little or no compromise on performance like the prius does and the hyundai for eg is half the price of the prius making it also probably the most economical motorvehicle we have here in OZ

oh and you keep going on about how good toyotas commercial vehicles are, then how come the hilux didnt rank first in the 4X4 magazine review? they also explain what the test the vehicles went through as 2500ks of australias harshest outback terrain.
once again it proves just that it is another perception that toyota vehicles are un touchable because they obviously are

No-Name I dont have to contribute anything more when you have Mikka destroying the Ford camp, Ive had my time arguing and Ive won a few battles myself… now Mikka has a won a few battles and Id say this war is all but won. The only problem is the insurgents remain, the people who were cowards to attack originally but now go around looking at tiny insignificant details.

Driving a hybrid might make you feel better for helping the environment, but a study of the most common alternative fuels claims diesel provides the greatest benefit to consumers and to society.

It may surprise those who associate diesels with smoke-belching 18-wheelers, but a cost-benefit analysis by the RAND Corporation finds so-called advanced diesel engines provide a slight edge over gas-electric hybrids and both leave E85 in the dust.

Even more surprising? The study claims that the high cost and resource-intensive means of producing and transporting E85 – a mixture of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline – makes it less beneficial to society than using straight gasoline.

Advanced diesel and hybrid technologies show very well in this study, in terms of benefits to the individual and society overall, said John Graham, dean of the Pardee RAND Graduate School and senior author of the paper. E85 simply doesnt provide the same results.

So what makes diesel so great? And are there any holes in the research? Read on…

Sm_hq_3 The researchers examined the costs and benefits to consumers and to society of hybrids like the Toyota Prius, diesels like the Mercedes Benz E320 Bluetec and flex-fuel vehicles like the Chevrolet Impala that can run on E85. Each was compared to gasoline vehicles. The researchers said they omitted other fuels, such as compressed natural gas and electricity, because they dont see such vehicles being produced in great numbers during the next decade.

The researchers didnt drive the cars, they studied data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the Environmental Protection Agency and elsewhere.

To quantify the benefit to consumers, the researchers weighed the cost of the technology against its fuel savings, mobility (likelihood to induce travel by cutting fuel expenditures) and performance (measured by torque). Societal benefits were determined by the impact each technology has on pollution (including the pollution created in the production and shipment of the fuel), vehicle emissions and energy security, defined as the likelihood of each technology to ease dependence on foreign oil.

They assumed fuel prices of $2.50 a gallon for gasoline, $2.59 a gallon for diesel and $2.04 a gallon for E85, a figure that includes the federal tax credit of 51 cents a gallon.

So whatd they find?

Advanced diesel engines offer the greatest savings over the life of the vehicle, cutting fuel costs by $460 for a mid-sized car, $1,249 for a mid-sized SUV and $2,289 for a full-sized pickup. Hybrids offered savings of $198, $1,066 and $505 respectively. Why? Because hybrids are typically have much higher purchase prices than similar diesels. This will change one would think some time down the track.

While it is assumed that the hybrid vehicle will save more fuel than the advanced diesel, the overall advantage goes to the diesel because of its lower technology costs and better performance, such as increased torque, Graham said. That picture could change, however, if the cost of hybrids comes down, he said.

The study found the operating cost of an E85 vehicle is higher than a similar gasoline vehicle because although E85 is cheaper than gas, it produces less energy so you have to burn more of it. Running E85 in a mid-sized car will cost you $1,034 more over the life of the car than using gasoline, the researchers concluded.

Things get harder to follow when it comes to assessing the societal benefits, as you can see from the study:

Our societal analysis introduces the following complications: (1) the impact of lowered U.S. Oil consumption on U.S. Energy security is quantified and monetized, (2) the lifecycle impacts of emissions of conventional tailpipe pollutants and greenhouse gas emissions are quantified and monetized, and (3) the indirect effect of each alternative on vehicle miles of travel through the “rebound effect, including pollution, congestion and other externalities, is quantified and monetized. Fuel prices are treated net of taxes and credits in the societal case because taxes and credits are considered to be transfers (i.e. They produce no net change in well-being for society as a whole).

When those factors are considered, the researchers say, diesel provides the best societal benefit, narrowly edging out hybrids. Both, again, leave E85 in the dust. In fact, the researchers claim E85 won’t produce net societal benefits unless production costs come down or gas prices maintain or exceed current levels. The nationwide average was just over three bucks a gallon last week.

This was done in 11.07 ………..

So Iam part convinced in the short to medium term and hybrids pose many risks like what to do with batteries as shortish life span….

Re diesels I have just emailed you something that you will find interesting…….cheers

You have contributed nothing at all to this post except the fact you have a problem with me !!!!Do your best mate …….I still laughing at you!If you remember our first altercation you said ” The RS will be a cracking car when it arrives. British car with a Swede engine and transmission sold in Australia. Thats why Britain is Great.

Bavarian will be watching this cars tail pipe!!!!”

Now see what happens when you assume you get the truth and then you don’t like it!

Oh and mate I have owned a diesel Landcruiser….how ironic don’t you think!Oh and isn’t reducing emissions helping the environment?? Geez mate put you brain into gear!

Why do consistently use this web so brag about the fact you’re a women, have a M3, a Cobra, a pool etc etc etc. Now your bragging about howmany Prius’s you could have.

The sole piece of information you added is your preference for a diesel over a hybrid. Which is really not a solution to assisting the Environment merely reducing what we currenlty polute. I don’t also believe you would do the diesel bit whislt you have a number of big guzzlers. Its all talk.

Mate watch the movie as between the pair of you clowns you annoy a lot only cause you lurve your girlfriend Missy T…… and cannot bear to be less devoted to it.