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		<title>By: troylynxtn</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-65801</link>
		<dc:creator>troylynxtn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an american I will say Holden Commodor is built better than our own GM cars. And GM Pontiac has really gone down hill in the past 20 years. So the Holden built G8 is the best thing GM Pontiac could do to bring themselfs out of a hole.  As far as the engine goes I will say GM America does build a very good engine....Also in reading some of your comments about people in OZ wanting their SSVE to look like a Pontiac the opposite is true here in the states. I have been waiting for this car to come here in the states for 2 years. And the first thing I plan to do is put a SS VE front end back on it... So if any of you Aussie&#039;s would like to swap front ends I sure would send you my G8 front end...To me all the pontiac&#039;s look the same and have no class. 
Sincery to all
Troy H
troylynxtn@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an american I will say Holden Commodor is built better than our own GM cars. And GM Pontiac has really gone down hill in the past 20 years. So the Holden built G8 is the best thing GM Pontiac could do to bring themselfs out of a hole.  As far as the engine goes I will say GM America does build a very good engine&#8230;.Also in reading some of your comments about people in OZ wanting their SSVE to look like a Pontiac the opposite is true here in the states. I have been waiting for this car to come here in the states for 2 years. And the first thing I plan to do is put a SS VE front end back on it&#8230; So if any of you Aussie&#8217;s would like to swap front ends I sure would send you my G8 front end&#8230;To me all the pontiac&#8217;s look the same and have no class.<br />
Sincery to all<br />
Troy H<br />
<a href="mailto:troylynxtn@yahoo.com">troylynxtn@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-43193</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All mitsubishi haS to do is let the creative genius wh designed the Lancer loose on the 380.. before they are head hunted by say Subaru.

Afterall the cash they&#039;ll receive from the expected sales of the new Lancer - particularly the EVO and Ralliart versions.. wil be more than enough for a facelift of the 380.. maybe even a complete overhaul to RWD [with V8 option] as Tom Phillips originally intended before getting the boot from Tokyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All mitsubishi haS to do is let the creative genius wh designed the Lancer loose on the 380.. before they are head hunted by say Subaru.</p>
<p>Afterall the cash they&#8217;ll receive from the expected sales of the new Lancer &#8211; particularly the EVO and Ralliart versions.. wil be more than enough for a facelift of the 380.. maybe even a complete overhaul to RWD [with V8 option] as Tom Phillips originally intended before getting the boot from Tokyo</p>
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		<title>By: chris parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the reason why I reckon holden and toyota will be the only manufacturers left in oz within the next 5 years.
because they both have an export plan for the future and not relying on just local sales!! sorry but i think it will be good bye for ford and mitsubishi soon unless they change there ideas on exporting soon!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the reason why I reckon holden and toyota will be the only manufacturers left in oz within the next 5 years.<br />
because they both have an export plan for the future and not relying on just local sales!! sorry but i think it will be good bye for ford and mitsubishi soon unless they change there ideas on exporting soon!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lcat</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42981</link>
		<dc:creator>Lcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Wheelnut.  
The yanks have finally come to the self realisation that their (GM) u.s. quality standards have languished in the dark ages and a plan of action is required.

I think the appointment of Greg Tyus as chief of Holden engineering is part of that strategy and I would guess that they hope the stint in Aus will impregnate him with a good dose of Holden Aussie Know How and then ship him back to the states pronto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Wheelnut.<br />
The yanks have finally come to the self realisation that their (GM) u.s. quality standards have languished in the dark ages and a plan of action is required.</p>
<p>I think the appointment of Greg Tyus as chief of Holden engineering is part of that strategy and I would guess that they hope the stint in Aus will impregnate him with a good dose of Holden Aussie Know How and then ship him back to the states pronto.</p>
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		<title>By: Me.</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42965</link>
		<dc:creator>Me.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut, you right there.
some of the modern yanky cars that came over here have turned in to lemons. The Ford Taurus that came here in the 90s was a piece of junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut, you right there.<br />
some of the modern yanky cars that came over here have turned in to lemons. The Ford Taurus that came here in the 90s was a piece of junk.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42957</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BM - I think the yanks are starting to realise what poor   quality cars they design and build..

Not only after seeing our Aussie built cars but more cars from Europe Japan and dare I say Korea.

Took them a while</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BM &#8211; I think the yanks are starting to realise what poor   quality cars they design and build..</p>
<p>Not only after seeing our Aussie built cars but more cars from Europe Japan and dare I say Korea.</p>
<p>Took them a while</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elitist

The other thing is that it cost Holden $1 Billion to design research develop and produce the VE. Now inorder for Holden to recover that cost - if they made a $1,000 profit on each car they would have to sell 1 million commodores.. which would take at least 7-10 years if they only sold it in Oz. 
Therefore; inorder to reduce the time period the only option is to export the VE.. which is only now starting to take off with the Sedan plus the Ute and Wagon in 08. 
PLUS given the reported/expected demand for these Cars in the US the period should be reduced to approx 4 years by which time Holden will be ready to start work on the next RWD model if they haven&#039;t allready.

Holden means more to GM [and their plans] than you might think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elitist</p>
<p>The other thing is that it cost Holden $1 Billion to design research develop and produce the VE. Now inorder for Holden to recover that cost &#8211; if they made a $1,000 profit on each car they would have to sell 1 million commodores.. which would take at least 7-10 years if they only sold it in Oz.<br />
Therefore; inorder to reduce the time period the only option is to export the VE.. which is only now starting to take off with the Sedan plus the Ute and Wagon in 08.<br />
PLUS given the reported/expected demand for these Cars in the US the period should be reduced to approx 4 years by which time Holden will be ready to start work on the next RWD model if they haven&#8217;t allready.</p>
<p>Holden means more to GM [and their plans] than you might think.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42954</link>
		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Wheelnut,time will tell!

I guess that Americans would be expecting it to be manufactured their in the end which is what the story I read was probably implying.After all they don&#039;t think our quality is as good as theres!

I think that after seeing the VE now though they are thinking other wise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Wheelnut,time will tell!</p>
<p>I guess that Americans would be expecting it to be manufactured their in the end which is what the story I read was probably implying.After all they don&#8217;t think our quality is as good as theres!</p>
<p>I think that after seeing the VE now though they are thinking other wise!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elitist

GM is building this car here because the new production line which took nearlty 1/2 of the billion dollar babys budget has improved the build quality fit and finish of the cars compared to previous models so much that its only something that the Americans could only dream of with their cars

And as part of GMs plans to streamline operations and get them out of the mess theyre in at the moment it&#039;s expected that a couple of plants in the US will close 

Because in the US there are a number of plants producing the same cars as another plant a couple of 1000 miles away and most plants are operating at less than 75% capacity 

Whereas Holdens Elizabeth plant is at full capacity producing 620 cars a day which equates to one rolling off the line every 76 seconds [not bad when you consider VW are making one every 38 seconds]

Price isn&#039;t the real issue its Quality.. Holden builds a Quality; some would say World Class car and if people can see the quality in something; see that it does what its supposed to or meets their requirements etc they will often be prepared to pay a little extra for it.. 

After all the reason the Daewoos in Holdens range aren&#039;t selling as well as the Opels is due to the lack of quality
which is the main reason Holden should start to import the Opels ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elitist</p>
<p>GM is building this car here because the new production line which took nearlty 1/2 of the billion dollar babys budget has improved the build quality fit and finish of the cars compared to previous models so much that its only something that the Americans could only dream of with their cars</p>
<p>And as part of GMs plans to streamline operations and get them out of the mess theyre in at the moment it&#8217;s expected that a couple of plants in the US will close </p>
<p>Because in the US there are a number of plants producing the same cars as another plant a couple of 1000 miles away and most plants are operating at less than 75% capacity </p>
<p>Whereas Holdens Elizabeth plant is at full capacity producing 620 cars a day which equates to one rolling off the line every 76 seconds [not bad when you consider VW are making one every 38 seconds]</p>
<p>Price isn&#8217;t the real issue its Quality.. Holden builds a Quality; some would say World Class car and if people can see the quality in something; see that it does what its supposed to or meets their requirements etc they will often be prepared to pay a little extra for it.. </p>
<p>After all the reason the Daewoos in Holdens range aren&#8217;t selling as well as the Opels is due to the lack of quality<br />
which is the main reason Holden should start to import the Opels ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BM I think that Holden will continue it&#039;s export program.. particularly when there are rumours that GM are looking at closing up to 4 possibly even 6 of its plants in the USA.. 

If they do close then seeing that Holden is the R&amp;D centre for RWD; GM may decide to expand the Factory at Elizabeth [there&#039;s enough room].. Otherwise there&#039;s Canada where the next GTO/Monaro will be built.

we won&#039;t know until after the meeting in January next year where the GM board will develop a plan to get then out of the trouble they&#039;re in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BM I think that Holden will continue it&#8217;s export program.. particularly when there are rumours that GM are looking at closing up to 4 possibly even 6 of its plants in the USA.. </p>
<p>If they do close then seeing that Holden is the R&amp;D centre for RWD; GM may decide to expand the Factory at Elizabeth [there's enough room].. Otherwise there&#8217;s Canada where the next GTO/Monaro will be built.</p>
<p>we won&#8217;t know until after the meeting in January next year where the GM board will develop a plan to get then out of the trouble they&#8217;re in</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42879</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great for HOLDEN!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great for HOLDEN!</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal One</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8789/pontiac-g8-production-begins/#comment-42826</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*****NOT-PRIMO!*****

I am happy for Holden and S/Australia.

The piss off is the USA punters will have a much better spec. vehicle [with DOD V8 i believe] and after taking freight and other charges into consideration they will buy it heaps cheaper than they sell a base SS to us....Groan....

Cheers

F-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*****NOT-PRIMO!*****</p>
<p>I am happy for Holden and S/Australia.</p>
<p>The piss off is the USA punters will have a much better spec. vehicle [with DOD V8 i believe] and after taking freight and other charges into consideration they will buy it heaps cheaper than they sell a base SS to us&#8230;.Groan&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: The Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on Holden for leading the way again. I wish Ford HQ rethink their plans for Ford OZ because we are very good at building large sedans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on Holden for leading the way again. I wish Ford HQ rethink their plans for Ford OZ because we are very good at building large sedans.</p>
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		<title>By: Lazybones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazybones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>golfschwein, Bavarian Missile lets just stay on topic guys. There is always facebook for this kind of conversation :)

So anyway, I went to http://www.pontiac.com, looked at the range, chucked up my breakfast and then clicked G8 Early 2008 link. So can anyone explain why the yanks get a Holden VE V8 for 30K US (35K AUS), while we have to pay around 55K AUS for a similar product? Surely you&#039;d think being made here would mean a lower price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>golfschwein, Bavarian Missile lets just stay on topic guys. There is always facebook for this kind of conversation :)</p>
<p>So anyway, I went to <a href="http://www.pontiac.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pontiac.com</a>, looked at the range, chucked up my breakfast and then clicked G8 Early 2008 link. So can anyone explain why the yanks get a Holden VE V8 for 30K US (35K AUS), while we have to pay around 55K AUS for a similar product? Surely you&#8217;d think being made here would mean a lower price.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep..........have a good night......talk tomorrow!xxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.have a good night&#8230;&#8230;talk tomorrow!xxx</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Nothing like a bit of politics to get things revved up at 10.30, is there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Nothing like a bit of politics to get things revved up at 10.30, is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah....right..........your from my age group,you know what were in for!! Ill bring the &quot;recession 08&quot; one down with me!hahaha

So where do I park the hack??? Plenty of spots out the front?

I guess your off to the relies for XMAS .......drop up to my place if you want after! Pick you up if you want? I cook a great XMAS LUNCH!!Crayfish,WA PRAWNS,HAM,TURKEY,PORK WITH CRACKLING......We always have a ball!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;.right&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.your from my age group,you know what were in for!! Ill bring the &#8220;recession 08&#8243; one down with me!hahaha</p>
<p>So where do I park the hack??? Plenty of spots out the front?</p>
<p>I guess your off to the relies for XMAS &#8230;&#8230;.drop up to my place if you want after! Pick you up if you want? I cook a great XMAS LUNCH!!Crayfish,WA PRAWNS,HAM,TURKEY,PORK WITH CRACKLING&#8230;&#8230;We always have a ball!</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can drive a car a lot better than a computer.........thank god!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can drive a car a lot better than a computer&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;thank god!</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no! You mean I&#039;ll have to hide the Kevin07 t shirt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no! You mean I&#8217;ll have to hide the Kevin07 t shirt?</p>
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		<title>By: golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing new there, JBOT. Been happening since the VB, off and on.</description>
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