2008 Ford Falcon Orion details
12 Dec, 2007
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Update 13/12/2007 - More photos added to gallery.
Ford has started releasing their own spyshots as part of a publicity campaign leading up to the release of the all-new 8th generation Falcon in April-May next year.
The blue oval is scheduled to release specifications of the 2008 Falcon in February at the Melbourne Motor Show. As it stands, the new Falcon sedan will launch in early May with the ute and FPV models to hit showrooms by the end of June (there are conflicting reports regarding the wagon).
The new Falcon is crucial to the survival of Ford’s Australian-manufacturing future. With plans to build the Ford Focus locally, the new Falcon must also do its part, and having invested well-over $110 million in the new Falcon so far, Ford is determined to get its way.
So far this year the current Falcon has failed to finish on the sales podium. Coming in fourth behind the Holden VE Commodore, Toyota Corolla and Mazda 3.
To get back in the top three, Ford has been hard at work fixing all the little things which has kept the current model behind its main rival, the VE Commodore. Safety has been given top priority with the new model expected to receive a five-star safety rating from ANCAP (Australian New Car Assessment Program).
The problem facing Ford seems to be that the new Falcon might not be that new when it comes to the technical things - but do you really care? Leave us a comment.
With news of Ford dumping its inline 4.0-litre six-cylinder engine in 2010, it’s very likely that the blue oval has spent limited money modifying the current engine before the new V6 arrives. It will undoubtedly have a few more kilowatts, but it will essentially remain unchanged.
The ZF six-speed auto will also stay put, but the aging four-speed auto found in the base variants will be replaced with a five-speed.
One way or another, the new Falcon has a lot to prove and the job is far from easy as the trend towards smaller cars and SUVs continues. More importantly, governments now see green cars as political brownie points which will damage fleet sales.
Don’t panic. We are not trying to scare our Ford fans as there is no denying the possibility of a Falcon revolution… if Ford can produce a car which looks the part. After all, you can have a five-star safety rated car with all the bells and whistles, but if it looks like the AU Falcon, it will struggle.
It is widely expected that Ford will unveil the new Falcon at next year’s Melbourne Motor Show in February, with insiders suggesting a Mondeo look-alike. For now we have more spy photos.
The images below were taken by members of various Ford Forums. There are some rather interesting photos in there, including two taken by Ford employees showing the frame and door. Enjoy.
Click to see more 2008 Ford Falcon Spy Photos.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Whoohoo! This Orion news makes me feel good!
I knew the inner doors would look like that, fron the older spyshots.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
The picture of the door looks like it’s for an XR model.
But Ford, I thought you were going to have the side flashers on the mirror
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Here we go again, Ford drip feeding another Falcon release - it can’t really do any more damage to the already bad BFII sales figures.
Lets hope the Orion will be as good as we all want it to be.
Any more info. on an LPG turbo? Sequential injection LPG would be a big plus…
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Thanks for putting all the spyshots together in one gallery, even though they all look the same.
I do like the one of the door and the frame, someone will surely get fired over that one!
Ford have got the world to lose if the model doesn’t succeed.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
Who told you May…………..?????????Not what Ive been told?
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
I like the offical shot linked in the article, makes the car look hot, is it the F6?
As for an LPG turbo, I guess we’ll wait till Feb to find out!
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
I agree James.F. The pic on photobucket sure looks hot!!! And it looks like Ford are now comming out with the base model bumpers on them. Hope all Ford fans buy them up as soon as they come out!!
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
So a wagon is definite? Because rumors have been they’re dumping the wagon for an the future updated Territory.
I really hope they have DI-gas and the new alloy gas tanks that fit in the same place as fuel would’ve.
Me. as far as I know the indicators on the mirrors are exclusive to FPV.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
Why is a five speed auto being considered. I would think it would be easier & probably cheaper to keep all autos 6 speed, even in the base model.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
Yes Watto! No wagon, that maybe because Ford’s leaving the Fairlane platform, so Ford are not going to make the Territory 2WD useless.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Wagon is definite yes, Ford has said so as far as I remember. They will have to ring one out to compete with the Sportswagon, chances are it won\’t look nearly as good.
As for the five speed auto, I dont think its a ZF, the ZF ones are surely more expensive than whatever elcheapo brand they will use for the five-speed
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Hey Watto……..just sent you an email! xxx
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
2nd paragraph of this article states a wagon due out after sedan alongide the ute and FPV models. Is that wrong Alborz?
The 5-speed is cheaper and not a ZF. The ZF is the standard auto for FPV and an extra cost option on the XR’s I think. Maybe it’ll be standard on the Orion XR’s???
Hi BM will check mail. Feb is too far away
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:49 pm
What have u been told BM?
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Melbourne car show!!!!!!!!
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:53 pm
I remember looking at the new Mondeo on the stand at the Sydney Motor Show, then glanced back at the Falcons on display, and the comparison wasn’t flattering for the old girl. New skin might freshen her for another year, but a totally new model is sorely needed. I wish Ford good luck with the Orion, IMHO it will need lots of it.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Hopefully the ZF6 is a NCO on the XR range.
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December 12th, 2007 at 10:58 pm
Watto_Cobra, I can’t be 100% certain till tomorrow when I put the qs to ford (and have modified the article accordingly) but as far as we know, the Wagon is scheduled in there somewhere.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
If there is a wagon for the Orion, it won’t be on a Fairlane platform, most likley on the sedan to rival the VE sports wagon.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
First time I’ve seen a door skin. Very unfinished but I can imagine how good it will be.
One thing I always liked better in AU over BA/BF was the door skins/handles. Always thought the AU’s looked and felt far better.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
Thanks Alborz. I have little interest in wagons in general (always preferred sedans) but I know plenty of people who would like to know.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
I know watto from what you mean about the AU’s inner doors.
But I still feel abit unsatisfied with the pannel design, I mean if it has alot of curves or artist shapes like the inner door pic, it’ll be another AU and Ford can’t afford an AU series IV at the rate they going.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
I keep looking at that door skin and it’s growing on me. Very different spot for the handle but I like it. Also like the fact you can’t even make out the speakers exact position/shape (from this pic at least).
Hardly any curves (besides the shape for the end of the dash) very edgy and sharp.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Yes watto,
sharp edges are better than curves, but i’m not sure it the sharp edges on the door pic are good, but anyway that’s something to get used to.
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Are you looking at getting one Me.?
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:55 pm
WHAT!!!????
Yes I hope so!
…what about you watto?
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December 12th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Typhoon, I hope. Failing that, XR6Turbo.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:06 am
Yes, I’m not certain if an upmarket one, but we need as many Aussies to buy them up as possible and be like the XE Falcon all over again. ANTI-SPAM WAS “FPV”
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:14 am
Sorry I fogot, It’s not just the Aussies that need to buy up the Orion, it’s also the others over the Tasman….
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:15 am
Good old XE. My uncles XE (he bought new) did 330000 kms on the first set of rotors. Original battery lasted 12 years. I got 8 years out of my AU’s original battery and was pretty happy with that.
Had an XE on gas as 2nd car for work travel. Besides rego and usual maintenance that car cost me bugger all.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:17 am
Recent sales figures say the Falcon sells better than Commodore in NZ, even tho the VE is new.
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December 13th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Also hope the V6 will be like another pushrod X-Flow again XE banner was “Now more than ever, Falcon is the answer”
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December 13th, 2007 at 7:52 am
Go to the picture of the F6 Phoon on the photobucket link and compare it to the leaked pics from Ford you can see it still has Racoon eyes.
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December 13th, 2007 at 8:15 am
That shot of the silver ute with the BF XR 18’s on it looks sweet!
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December 13th, 2007 at 9:01 am
The inner door looks too sharp and edgy for my taste, but will have to look at the interior as a whole to decide.
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December 13th, 2007 at 9:45 am
From an other orion post - “Our own photographer has gone deep undercover in his quest for a cover-free shot, expect more in the next week or two.”
Is that going to happern?
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December 13th, 2007 at 11:22 am
Hey Me, yes it is…
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December 13th, 2007 at 11:26 am
The Orion is not far away hooray!! The wagon will be here soon after the sedan.Production starts in April with an on sale date of 1st week in May.Don’t know about a Turbo E-gas motor but Direct injection e-gas is almost a definite as are things like side air curtains,reverse camera’s(on hi-spec cars)colour coded interiors(as per VE),flat bottom steering wheels(as per Audi etc.),Turbo sixes instead of 3v V8’s(on models where 3v v8’s were optional(including c/cab utes).
If the build quality, panel fit, interiors and safety are to the same standard as on Mondeo Ford will have a winner.
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December 13th, 2007 at 11:35 am
Insider,I think your pulling something in aticipation,lets face it they are just trying to keep up with Holden.
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December 13th, 2007 at 11:45 am
You mean leap-frog. Because that’s what they do, leap frog each other.
DI e-gas definite? That would be a great thing to have in the line-up. Hopefully turbo DI e-gas.
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December 13th, 2007 at 11:57 am
All this info being released is all the info i put on this web site months ago. No one beleived me
Im driving a Mondeo at the moment and the door trim is exactly the same as in these pictures.
if the Falcon is any thing like the Mondeo it should be a killer (commodore killer).
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Thanks Alborz.
About the E-Gas, Ford needs to keep more than 1 step ahead of the VE by having E-Gas as an option on ALL models (THAT INCLUDES TURBO-SIX & V8)
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Insider, I thought having a turbo six would be better than a SOHC V8, hope it’s going to be great.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
What I want to know is will it use the new aluminium conformable gas tank that can be made in different shapes or an old steel cylinder/toroid?
The article I saw in the Herald/Sun Cars Guide explained how the new design tank can easily fit in a fuel tanks position instead of taking half your boot space.
The photo showed a bloke (Guy Obren) holding up the new tank and in the background is an E-gas Falcon (green rocker cover).
Have you seen that article Alborz? I could scan and email it to you if you wish.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:17 pm
Congratulations PAUL.You win the $50!
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:21 pm
thanks Frank you know where to send the money
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
When they drop the I6 will the new V6 engine be LPG compatible and as good as the I6 (in terms of durability and cost). The reason I ask is that Ford makes a lot of taxi sales with majority of cabs being Falcons. If the new engine isn\’t as good (if it is too high tech, it won\’t be cost effective for the cab companies)Ford might leave the door open for the likes of Holden, Mitsubishi and Toyota to tap into the taxi market. Although cabbies may switch to diesel with the V6….
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
yea i cant what for this thing to hit the showroom floor….but i’ll be honest, the only model i am really waiting and excited to see is the new typhoon…. i would love to see ford have a HSV eater on the road ago to distory the 307 GTS/R8…. and make the billion dollar investment look like a waist of money.
i think the FPV will most likely be using the turbo 6s to fight HSV till 2012 when the falcon will be sharing parts with Ford america….
i hope we share there engines and they use our handling packages for there cars in 2012….
i am thinking… 5.4 litre S/C V8 ( shelby GT 500 engine ) with with a great handling package!!! now that would becar to be seen… any one for a 373Kw GT…say this by that time there will be more power then that!!!
All i say…. bring on the ”phoon ” AKA HSV Killer!!!
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Already looks old and stale, like yesterday if you will.
What really makes it look old is none other than fellow superior Ford product, new Mondeo.
Its doomed, once the fanfair is over the sales will be as per now, its not enough and perhaps the last aussie engineered and made falcon.
NOT fords fault, the market for large cars is falling month after month.
Cheers
F-0
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Hey fire man,
I am a little concerned about the new V6 also as I have driven cars fitted with Duratec/torque V6’s in the states. They are good but down have the low down grunt we are used to.
In regard to Taxi sales, most taxi’s are bought second hand anyway so that wouldn’t affect Fords sales figures.
Ford doesn’t even offer a ‘Taxi Pack’ anymore
Something I can’t understand though is why they don’t dedicate the Falcon Wagon to Fleet, Taxi and Industrial type sales and develop it more towards that market.
After all, not many falcon wagons actually sell to private buyers.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
It probably sounds strange, but the thing I really hope Ford does is make rain sensing wipers an option across the Falcon range. Being a person that went from a car with auto wipers (Accord Euro) to a car without (XR6T) I know there is no way I would ever have another car without them.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
name trivia
Ford aren’t the first to nick the name Orion from greek mythology.
The u.s military have a navy patrol plane with four turboprop engines, used to detect, track, and destroy enemy submarines and armed with missiles, torpedoes, mines, and depth bombs. Could there be some parallels there perhaps?
Look out Holden drivers.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
I have to admit I am a Ford fan, but I don’t understand how some are calling the new Falcon ‘old’ already. I mean the styling might not be as out there as the Commodore, but that sort of ‘our there styling’ gets old real fast, I’m already over the VE look. What I reckon Ford’s got going for it, is that it’s delivering something fresh, that will stand the test of time over the next few years. If the spyshots and the Mondeo are anything to go by, I’m liking the new Falcon already.
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Aren’t we allowed to link to other websites?
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:51 pm
Are you the original Azza??????
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December 13th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Any one know what the Power Figures wil be??
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December 13th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Azza I notice you have to be lucky with website links. Some times it works, other times it won’t work.
How is the Orion old? Its yet to come out. The bras are to hide it’s good looks underneath…Like strip tease
They make it look like a old bom, but that’s just to hide it.
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December 13th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
Chopstar87, we should all hope this for the performance range…
Ghia’s
turbo six= 250kw 510nm
XR6t…..= 270KW 550nm
XR8……= 285kw 520nm
GT…….= 330kw 570nm
F6…….= 310kw 580nm
Hope I got it right.
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December 13th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
@ Bavarian Missile, I’m not sure if I’m the original Azza, I’ve been azza85 on Caradvice since forever.
@ Me. I personally don’t reckon the new Falcon looks old, I’m just quoting what others have said earlier.
The link I wanted to post was directed to more Ford released spyshots over at drive.com.au
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December 13th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
Thanks Azza85, they’ve got pics that look like they on the dyno.
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December 13th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Ok so your not this one then?
# Azza Says:
September 20th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Just to watto_cobra, the Focus XR5T over in Europe is called the Focus ST… I’m not sure if anyone else corrected that, as i am too lazy to read the rest of the comments…
The Focus RS was just some little project Ford did to continue on with the Rally makes. ie, Ford Escort and Sierra Cosworth RS… etc.
But on a good note, hopefully the RS Focus makes it to Australia in the 2009!!!
Ok now Im clear!
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December 13th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Let the fun and games begin.Frank,obviously you are a Holden fan and I hope you have many sleepless nights waiting and wandering about the Orion. Fireman, Ford would prefer to get away from the stigma of Fleet/Taxi cars and concentrate on Retail buyers.Me,I agree with you. Give me a good turbo over and ordinary V8 anytime, and I also hope that Watto_Cobra is right because one of the biggest drawbacks with e-gas is the lpg tank.
Bring on May.
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December 13th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
I noted that the doors appear to have a lot of storage on the bottom. There also appears they have a double seal around the door. I also noted that there is no inlet for air into the door for the window door demister; Ford must have vents on the dash directed to the windows on the door for demisting. I note there does not appear to be any window winders meaning standard electric windows and of course electric mirrors.
The body lines are more in keeping with the Lexes, note the crease line from the back of the car to over the front wheel arch.
I notices the front wheel angles in the wet appear to be very verticle considering the speed(?) the car is going. This must be because of the new front end.
I must admit the car appears very conservative in design. But this I believe is because the interior will be quite stunning if it is similar to the current Mondeo.
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December 13th, 2007 at 3:21 pm
Falcon have been doing what they have always done except for AU
Sutle changes over the years so eventually you have a different shape
no shock factor and utterly safe which is a good thing
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December 13th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
I can see how some might have the idea of some oldness,
Has anyone looked at the new Lancer, I had a walk around it didn’t mind the style of the car but something just looked out slightly, The one i was looking at was silver, The more i looked the more i felt something old in it, It was between the A and C pillars. It looked like the old lancer there old door skins,
The shape slightly changed but not as much as the new front and rear treatment,
In some ways this is the new Orion, AS most of the orion’s work has been done in the BA-BF series, This is why you get the impression it hasn’t been well funded like others, It’s because it’s base has been done over the time i stated..
It’s going to be a familiar car to drive but look different but many characteristics of the past BA-BF will be there..
what’s needed more is a new fresh look and this will be done but as for the rest as in driving wise even safety wise it will be around BFII with slightly better feel and safety the same it wont brake records in safety but it will be a safer car in the real world to drive.
In some ways you could argue is it worth the upgrade BFII to Orion,
And the answer is if you wont slightly better driving yes if you wont a new fresh look yes more options more standard equipment etc..
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December 13th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Guys I just got word Ford will release a whole heap of additional official spyshots in super high res,
expect them here later tonight.
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December 13th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Great, can’t wait to see the photos.
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December 13th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
“The problem facing Ford seems to be that the new Falcon might not be that new when it comes to the technical things - but do you really care? Leave us a comment.” - Caradvice
But the technicals are fine as they are. Its motor and drivetrain are not beaten by any Aussie produced car in terms of real world driving. Its torque is unsurpassed in six cylinder form, and no passenger car tows better. Its dynamics are great, and the Commodore has only just caught up. It is a true Grand Tourer and suburban legend in XR6T and Typhoon form; better than the crated 8’s it is tested against.
Its ride over long distances is superb and the car makes for a great interstate cruiser; it’s more frugal than four cylinder cars! Its seating is perfect, soft and supportive. The sequetial injection LPG will be eagerly awaited (turbo, please), and nearly cut the cost of driving between cities compared to petrol by two thirds by my calculations*, easily beating diesel four cylinder cars in dollar cost, and carcinogenic output. Perfect for such a big country.
Technically the Falcon is great (improve the stability control and the side airbags as Ford will do), so the question Caradvice asks becomes “Will Australians back their own product, will they care about their own product, or will they denigrate and whinge about it?”
*Assume 10L/100km open road on LPG; they got 10.9 on the old LPG motor on the LPG Challenge around Australia, Melbourne to Perth in a Fairmont for $202!!
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December 13th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Its official….Russells off to Holden….
Just emailed to me
Former V8 Supercar Champion Russell Ingall returned to the wheel of a Holden race car at Queensland Raceway today.
Ingall, who won two Bathurst titles with Holden in 1995 and ’97, tested the VE Commodore he will drive in next year’s V8 championship alongside team-mate Paul Morris for the new, two car Supercheap Auto Racing team.
The team will be based at Morris’ state-of-the-art race facilities at Norwell on the Gold Coast, which also incorporates the Holden Performance Driving Centre and V8 Super School.
“I started my V8 career with Holden and spent seven years driving Commodores, so I’m rapt to be back with the new Supercheap Auto Racing team – the change has definitely reignited the fire,” said Ingall.
It did not take long for the 2005 V8 title winner to adapt to the newer model Commodore, which was decked out in a one-off Supercheap Auto ghost livery for the test.
“The Commodore is a little different to what I’ve been used to for the past five years, but while I won a championship driving a Falcon it required a unique technique, whereas I seem to find the Holden suits my natural driving style better,” added Ingall.
“The VE Commodore’s first year results show it’s a great package and I’m excited about racing it next year.”
Ingall is confident his new team will deliver the success that he has become accustomed to over his successful career in Australia’s highest profile motor racing series.
“Paul [Morris] has put together a tremendous operation – with its personnel, equipment and facilities it’s the best kept secret in Australian motor sport,” said Ingall.
“I can’t understand why more top line drivers haven’t beaten a path to Paul’s door – he’s got a well established team with a strong history, it’s perhaps the most financially secure in V8s, and the staff are amongst the best in the sport.
“Paul’s plans are not only to make the team more competitive, but also deliver race wins – and with Supercheap Auto’s support and the VE Commodore it’s all possible.
“I’m sure there’ll be some skeptics out there, but long term they’ll see this was a smart move.
“Our ultimate challenge is to win the V8 championship for Supercheap Auto and Holden.”
The 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series kicks off with the Clipsal 500 on the streets of Adelaide on February 21-24.
Russell Ingall on board the Supercheap Auto Commodore he will drive in the 2008 championship
Ingall in action during today’s test at Queensland Raceway
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December 13th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Ok Russell must have been drunk when he signed up with him…
So what were Pauls plans before Russ……always finish last! What is he thinking??? Can anyone see a positive in this for Russ ?? Must be money!
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December 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
“I started my V8 career with Holden and spent seven years driving Commodores, so I’m rapt to be back with the new Supercheap Auto Racing team – the change has definitely reignited the fire,”
Looks like hes always been a Holden fan. But you right BM, also how much he gets paid.
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December 13th, 2007 at 5:44 pm
Maybe I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen any pics of prototype wagons in the past 6 months or so since spy shots have been published on the web - heaps of sedans & utes.
The only wagon was a silver one testing the space saver spare wheel at the You Yangs just before Ford announced all BFIIs would carry the ‘pretend’ spare.
I know the media & manufacturers keep telling us they are OK for our big brown land, but I would just rather have a full size spare with a full size tyre.
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December 13th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
Ford said that having a space saver won’t matter because the VE has them.
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December 13th, 2007 at 6:10 pm
Once Ford realised the space saver in the VE didn’t affect sales it made the decision to use them - what would it save them in manufacturing costs, maybe 30 bucks a car?
I know a puncture these days is rare, but 4 proper wheels on a car give me alot more confidence than driving on 3.5 wheels especially when driving interstate.
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December 13th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
It has circles behind the door handles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 13th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
Chopstar.. you obviously haven’t heard about the new LS-9 6.2 litre [intercooled] twin supercharged V8 which in standard form can produce 485kw and is lighter than the current V8. It will be in the new ZR-1 Corvette and is therefore; will most likely be destined for HSV
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December 13th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
when you look at the 2nd pic in the gallery of the red ute does anyone else think it looks like the rear screen glass goes down quite low? and much much lower than they do now.
also the gap between the tray and cab on the style side models appear to be much closer too. maybe they might come up with a “snap in” style fillet?
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December 13th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
hey ME,
if ford do do a wagon why do you say the sedan platform?
couldnt they do it on the ute platform? on the sedan platform i doubt it would be on leafs anymore. well maybe it wont be (if its done)
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December 13th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
Andrew, I was thinking sedan to compete with the VE wagon, but if no spyshots, it’s hard to say.
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December 14th, 2007 at 12:01 am
Oh WOW!! on picture 5 the falcon appears to be a sports model on LPG… sweet i graduate from uni next year… i’ll be definitely going for that sort of model what ever they will call it. But its got no rear spoiler, so cant be a XR6, is that the G6? Will they stick with the current name for the XT as the poverty pack verson? The falcon at the Handy Mart, looks like a Futura. Any of the ùber smart ford people know? I’m really excited about a sporty LPG falcon. Every car in my family bar a XR6 runs on LPG, so i’m comfortable with it. the problem i think most people will have is theyre just not used to LPG.. coz theyre ignorant and think it will blow up…
Picture 15, makes the falcon look NICE! looks tough, has a really nice stance with its chunky but, and rising belt line.. a nice looking car. I reckon it beats the VE in appearance, it looks like a proper sedan not a hatchback commodore. The VE is the one that looks dated, its copied too many other brands, mostly european brands with their hatchback style besides BMW and Merc, of which still have the typical sedan look. The holden will look dated fast because of its radical design.
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December 14th, 2007 at 7:02 am
Mr wheel nut…. i have 2 words for mate…. Super snake…. what does that mean in Power things… what about a whole 522Kw of V8 mate… and u want to know the best thing… u can buy it now!!!! so have ur 485… we will have the 522KW 5.4litre S/C V8….
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December 14th, 2007 at 7:59 am
Yep that super snake is an awesome Mustang!! I love the fact you can have it in 2 versions !Fast or faster !!
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December 14th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
Minnow,
you can already get LPG on the XR6 ute and sedan
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
This is what i reckon will be the power figures=
XR6=225Kws/425Nm
XR6T=280Kws/550Nm
XR8=300Kws/560Nm
F6 Typhoon=315Kws/575Nm
GT/GT-P=335Kws/590Nm
Remeber the power upgrades from AU 2 BA. The XR8 had 10 more kws n the V8’s just need more torque dialed in so they can hammer of the line. It would also be good 2 se FORD beat HOLDEN, not HSV to 300Kws. Cant wait till Febuary
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
Does anyone know where I can put money on the power figures NOT being that high? I think you’re dreaming if you think all the models will find an extra 35-45kW and a similar jump in torque (well I know you are, cause only a very select few would have ANY idea at this stage). It just won’t happen, as much as I would like it too.
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Will try and find out for you Jbot…….unless Tonyn knows cause he would too!
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Haha.. Yeah I just don’t want to get too hopeful. Particularly with the I6 coming to an end in the near future, it would be very surprising if Ford spent the money to get serious power gains like that.
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December 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
They did say they wernt going to hold back in the dieing years of the I6
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December 14th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
I like what you said about the power Cobra 302, but as much as I’d like to see, I don’t think the XR8 will get to 300kw…Maybe around 285KW??
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December 14th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
all u ford people just guessing every1 is different in the power (kw) for the orion.. and yeah dont think the xr6 will be 225kw
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December 14th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
Yeah, I think the non-turbo six will crack 200 but doubt it would be 225kw. It’ll still have by far the best torque in it’s class.
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December 15th, 2007 at 2:50 am
Whatever it is, holden playdoh-tec v6 will fall short. if you ford blokes want a good v8, stick in a 12 litre v8, just up the cubes like holdrolet always does.
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December 15th, 2007 at 8:43 am
I recon da bse mod-l ford wil hav 300kw… gt to hav 450
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December 15th, 2007 at 9:31 am
ahh ford4eva whateva ya reckon.. the xr6 will be no more that 210. 205 will be pushing it.. and the xr8 will prob be 285. and gt 315.
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December 15th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Sorry Ford4Eva, only the FPV range will get over 300kw.
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December 15th, 2007 at 10:59 am
Ford4eva, I like the way u think!!! But I do still think the Non Tubo XR6 sould have about 15 to 20 more kws to give it some difference, unlike the current model. And remember when HSV gets there engine upgrade in the next year or so they will have around 330Kws. Ford n FPV arnt thinking for their current model, there building this car for there next facelifted model. If u dont believe me read through some of the wheels mags as much as a year old n u will find out 4 yourself. The GT will have 335KWs…..Hopefully!!!
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December 15th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
I hope your right Cobra 302. FPV will need to match HSV in performance at a minimum….I think FPV will out do HSV in the handling, braking and looks dept again providing the whole package. Fuel consumption is a big key also. I think Ford needs to have the XR6 engine at higher power/torque figures than the base model Falcon to compete with the SV6 / Aurion contenders. I also hope Ford brings a sporty LPG package not just an XR6 with LPG engine at lower power figures. It should have higher power levels, sporty XR looks, LPG tank where the fuel tank would be, optional leather trim etc and 6 speed manual or auto. If I see this in a showroom you have a sale.
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December 15th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
well if as expected the new LPG model does get the new direct injected system then we should see no reason why the LPG versions should lose those KW’s that they do now.
also ford used to give the XR6 more kw’s over the stock motor but since they introduced the turbo variant i suppose they saw no reason to do that anymore cause if people wanted more power then they should go for the hairdryer model anyway????
i think the other reason they wanted an XR6 with the base N/A motor in it is so it would appeal to more people especially families who wanted a sportier looking thing but not the rev head image and higher insurance premiums
the current XR6 N/A already beats the SV6 and aurion/sportivo doesnt it?
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December 15th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
oh and how come there is talk of the base falcons getting a 5sp auto??
you can already get the 6sp on the entire range (except lpg models and base model utes)
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December 15th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Mondeo clone…
In the 80’s we had the Commodore small car clone the Gemini and the Falcon small car clone the Cortina and Telstar…now what?,the big car small car clone Falcon.
What happened to distinctive home market styling?
More Ford ‘world car styling’…remember the AU Falcon?
Doesn’t the memory of the last Mondeo still leave a bitter taste in your mouth?
Will be great at Bathurst next year…will be like watching the european touring cars.
You killed the Fairlane/LTD..this is the final straw.
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December 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
You right MRZJ about the AU wonder styling, hope ford arn’t trying that again.
With the talk here about the normal XR6 getting over 200kw, I do think Ford should try getting to at least 210kw, but as long as they can better that with a Duratec V6 after the I6 is finished. RIP to the last Australian engine.
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December 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
can i just say, you guys all whinge about unique styling, but last time ford put there head on the chopping block everyone slaughtered them! the mondeo is a great looking car and i think if the falcon looks like that it will be well recieved.
I think the worst thing people and media can do is talk donw australian cars before they are released, again if more people actually praised and bought our cars our australian car manufacturing market wouldnt be the way it is today!
No one in the world gets the same quality and valur for money large cars we get yet we still seem to bag ourselfs out!
I personally didnt think the AU was that bad, i have owned two, a series one fairmont ghia and now a series three TS50 and both cars would eat the equilivant holden, in fit finish quality and drive!
Sorry that is my rave but if we keep talking australian made cars down we will have none left and then we will whinge that our iconic large cars are gone!
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December 15th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
and the inline 6 should have at least 220kw’s, and be around the 9.0l/100k mark!
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December 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
I agree totally about Ford not putting their head on the ‘block’ after the AU incident.
I owned a AU Forte,never had a single problem.
Saw the spy photos in Wheels magazine,loved the styling and went out and bought one.
I still find the styling pleasing.
Have a look at Australias taste in car styling though,
The VT Commodore,a runaway success in styling terms was 10 years behind the rest of the world…1997/1998 we were a market obsessed with late 80’s recycled Korean jellybean styling.
Had the AU been released in the states,I feel it would have been a runaway sucess.
The same bagging went on about the AU Fairlane…magazines labeled its styling ‘tanky’…,then when restyled with the BA,labeled its styling to Falcon like,even though the Statesman looked like a stretched VT.
I wish Ford all the best,but there is just to many holes in their product line up.
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December 15th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
When the AU came out, I never thought that bad about it, BTW the TS50(T3) was the best Australian car at the time with a 302 winsor stroked to 5.6L.
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December 15th, 2007 at 4:46 pm
I can’t understand peoples bagging of the VE style?.
It’s to European it’s to many other cars in one this and that..
Get used to it, The new Ford is straight out of the European catalogue of styling, It’s going to have many cars in one this is life time to move on and stop the bitching.
I also feel those in the past that canned a V6 engine are starting to wind it down now lol.
For the record the Alloytech 195 is a world class engine, It matted it’s 5 speed auto very well and was an breeze to drive. I don’t my own opinions of it by driving it more then an car dealer route around the block or getting info from an car mag.
Now for the base model alloytech i wont go on any record in defending that one, It’s wrong that motor it’s crude and harsh sounding.
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December 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
I wanted a TS50 or TE50 badly. Couldn’t afford one back then though. I’d prefer Ford Oz stick with the I6, but with such a small scale on world terms, they can’t justify the money for meeting EuroIV
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December 15th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Hey Watto you got the latest unique cars???????There is AndrewMs dream car In there for $69,000 strangely enough in QLD too…
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December 15th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Nah, I buy it occasionally. What’s his dream car?
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December 15th, 2007 at 9:20 pm
I remember when the AUIII XR8 came out and thought it looked good, but then I saw some strange space age looking Falcon getting around - That turned out to be the T-Series Tickfords.
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December 15th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
yeah whats my dream car?
is it a DJR 320 you are referring to?
hey watto,
you know the funny thing about having to change to the V6 for euro emissions rubbish?
the current 4.0L I6 emitts less C02 than the spanker 3.6L commy motor!!!!!!!!
i think the euro emissions excuse is just that….an excuse
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December 15th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
I didn’t know that. Does that mean the Alloytec doesn’t meet EuroIV currently?
Does anyone know how many DJR320s sold?
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December 15th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Yep the 320!No idea how many he made..thought Andrew would know that one!
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December 16th, 2007 at 11:12 am
DJR 320 is like a modern version of the XE Grand Prix Turbo, which was like a Fairmont with a turbo 6 and flared guards. Only around 25 were made.
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December 16th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Where they blue ME???? I remember there use to be 1 in Hobart from memory!
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December 16th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
Anybody know if we are getting a Falcon wagon?
If so,what platform will it use?
If Ford are going to all the expense of modifying or developing a platform for the wagon,why can’t we have a Fairlane?
Holden have the Statesman/Caprice and the Cadillac CTS for next year,what do we get?
A Orion with a vinyl roof option maybe…
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December 16th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
BM, the colour was called tru blue, I don’t know if they had any others, though they were the best looking Falcon in the 80s.
MRZJ, I don’t know if Ford will use the Fairlane platform on the Orion wagon because of the little VE wagon, but it’s hard to say.
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December 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
I don’t think anyone knows mate. We haven’t seen a single wagon in any spyshots. Some people have said it’s coming. Rumors suggest don’t rule out a comeback of the Fairlane either so who knows?
Personally, I think wagon duties will fall to the 2WD Territory because it has been so successful and has essentially the same running gear, but now due for a facelift after the Falcon.
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December 16th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Ford better lift the bar on its wagon as it looks so old and outdated compared to new hot Commodore wagon….and Iam a Ford Supporter! So keep it real as my comment is true!!!!!!!!!
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
I hope Ford lash out and go hard on new Falcon with 5sp autos and 6speed manuals set up for better economy as standard, offer traction control as standard, offer side airbags as standard, alloy wheels as standard. The outside still needs to look better as still tooooooo closely aligned to current old looking tired model and the front overhang has not changed and the Commodore will still outsell the Falcon as of its look and flow of design. The rear tailights and tad oversized flares are tad too much on Commodore but it still looks unreal to me (light years ahead of Ford)
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
I guess from what Tonyn is telling us it will knock your socks off!!
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Hopefully rings true Missile, Ford should also make a better effort with LPG motors more across the board and in Territory variants.
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
ME…Just read comments of other bods and great comment you made at December 13th, 2007 at 12:06 pm!
Come on CEO Tom - lift the bar hard mate as model upgrades and better inclusions!
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
typo…5.03pm comment - 6sp manual and 6sp autos should be standard fitment (make sure quality item and not crap as well and ratioed towards economy)
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December 16th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Some of the guys on the F/Forums believe it will look some where between an Aston and a Mondeo……that will look good then!
I hope they put different rear end gears in the FPV stuff… just to give that little extra the Boss needs below 3500 RPM!
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December 16th, 2007 at 6:02 pm
Yes just look at the tail lights on the leaked images of the FPVs. They are very Aston!!!!
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December 16th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
Yeah, I hope it does fit inbetween the auston n Mondeo looks wise. If u put 4.11 gears in the boss V8 with wider rear tires its been known to nock the time to about 13.4 in a Mark 1 BF GT (auto) so i magine what it could do with more power. P.S I think it also had a set of headers but im not sure.
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December 16th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
I want the new FPV ad to come out with just 2 cars on it. The new GT n the VE GTS behind it. The drivers side window winds down n u see Dick Johnson in the drivers seat n Craige Lowndes in the passangers side with 3 hot chicks in the back. Craige Lowndes says ” Look tricky the new clown car VE is behind us, what do we do?’ Acting all scared but u can tell its fake. Tricky turns to the camera n says “HSV, I just want to HUMILIATE 1″ Turns off traction contol n lights em up spittin rubber all over the front of it. The camera then gets a long distance shot of the clown car GTS n it gets cleaned up but one of those minning dump truck once all the smoke is gone. As much i would love to see this i dont think it will happen because we r 2 politically correct these days. It would be hillarious though!!!
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December 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Cobra302 a stock BAGT will do a 13.5 ……..without any modified gears!And without Wheels or Motor driving it.
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December 16th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
BF MK1 GT with 6 speed auto (shift points would most likely have to be altered) n with 4.11s. As I said it may (n most probably did have) Highperformance headers on it. Putting in 4.11 gears is on of the first things they do to the boss motors when modifing it because they can really hammer of the line. If the can pull 11.88(performance ford mag feature car) with an unopened motor in a ute This is very possible to get it out off a MK1 GT (BF) with a six speed auto, which has been said to shave up 2 a second off! N then u put on the 10 inch wide wheels for that extra grip. Think about it!
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December 16th, 2007 at 8:48 pm
Sorry i meant half a second off the time, not 2.
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December 16th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Is the Auto that much better to launch ? I am told that but as Im not fond of any auto, I would go the sticky tyres and a 6 speed manual!
We did get the old BA down to 13.1 {with a few mods} but it had traction problems……..had 273 RWHP.I think with some drag TAs would have got it in the 12s!
Problem with changing gears is you can turn them into dogs around town and on the open HWY they scream in REVS!Got to be careful what ratio you use !
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December 16th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
Yeah to true. Mdifie them a bit (Capa flash tune, Bigger injectors, exhaust kits etc) they can be alright untill u get to serious horsepower n heaps of torque. But the 4.11s really r meant only for the strip. Mates up Mackay say it does wounders for them at the lights though when there beside a VE SS
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December 16th, 2007 at 9:18 pm
I want my ad to make it on TV!!! Come on FPV how about it, itll do wounders for ur sales
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December 16th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
That’s a good ad Cobra 302!!! …Not so good for Holden fans!
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December 16th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
hahaha…..I bet Cobra302…..traction still must be an issue though !
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December 16th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Yeh, but i have a funny felling that Holden n HSV wont like it to much either. Has anyone heard anything about the new territory. We have gone on about the new falcon (nothing wrong with that!)but havent heard anything about the new territory. I, aswell s many other Ford/FPV fans would love to no more!!!
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December 16th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
I seen the new wheels mag with there 7ltr GTS-R or whatever it is. 400KWS/660Nm and can only manage a 12.9!!! What a peice of shit the new F6 will probaly do that!!! Even the GT (i hope) and they r selling it for around $115,000. Some no name overweight brocky lover will buy it though My anti spam was FPV! Prevocted me to say something LOL
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December 16th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Very well the GTS-R ubbish maybe fast, but go around the first corner and it rolls off the track and the F6 wins.
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December 16th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
But it aint that fast for the power/torque specs n yeah id say it would dip n dive pretty bad with a engine of its size
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December 17th, 2007 at 7:13 pm
12.9? I thought it would be more than that.
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December 18th, 2007 at 10:33 am
i would love to see a AWD 300Kw+ Typhoon to be made!!!!that would blow everything away!!! and it would handle so much better….
so put the F6X engine with more power in a Typhoon….
just a idea any way….
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December 18th, 2007 at 10:50 am
F6X and Typhoon engine are the same. You must mean the F6X driveline from the Territory?
That would be awesome, but heavier still.
Didn’t HSV make a Coupe8 which was an AWD Monaro? I don’t think it lasted long because of cost/weight?
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December 18th, 2007 at 11:01 am
I remember when all those AWD Holdens came out and didn’t last long. But I belive when the F6X comes out, it’ll have the 270kw, but in may 300+kw.
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December 18th, 2007 at 1:10 pm
but if they market the AWD Typhoon correctly… it would sell like hot cakes…. market it againest Evo and Sti… and get it to lose wieght and just make it a all out racer like a Evo or STI….
i think it would sell better… dont worry about the luxary side just performance and thats it!!!!
i think a AWD typhoon with 300kw + and about 100Kg or so off it would fly….. maybe it could be the Australian Godzilla!!!!!!
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December 18th, 2007 at 3:03 pm
Yes an all whell drive typhoon would be good, but i think it would be a bit to original. Why dont we really think out the box and put a all wheel drive system on the GT, beef then engine up with a whipple supercharger n put the power to 400KWs and make that then next GT-HO. That would make headlines everywhere in the world. It wouldnt just be the car that destroyed everycar in the GM stable but it would take it to the likes of the new skyline, Porches, top of the range BMW and even Ferrari n Lamborghni. Put a high price on ($125,000) and limit the build to about 250 cars. But i wouldnt think FPV would do it, although Rod Barrent is in the drivers seat now. What do you all think?
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December 18th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Sorry made a mistake in the last sentence. It was aspossed to be “But i think FPV wouldnt do it,….”
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December 18th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
i think you may be closer than you think…..
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December 18th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
HEY LISTEN!!! How do we know we are yet for a real suprise in power figures next year. The GT may not be 320KW we never know….
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December 18th, 2007 at 3:30 pm
What I mean it could exeed 320kW
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December 18th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
I like it!!! Hope ford /fpv really suprise as with this one. GO THE FALCONS!!!
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