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Servicing, New-car Warranty & You

By John Cadogan |

Let’s say you’re in the market for a new car. Warranty is probably one of the many important considerations you’ll factor into your decision.

The industry ‘default’ warranty is three years or 100,000km – whichever comes first. Variations are available: Volkswagen, for example, just increased its warranty to three years/unlimited kilometres (but check the fine print if you’re in the market now, because at least five models in Volkswagen’s range are exempt from the increase until new models are released – presumably to comply with some upcoming underlying increased standard in the durability of the product). Some manufacturers – like Mitsubishi and Hyundai – go for five years and either unlimited kilometres or 130,000km.

Of all these different warranties on offer, for most buyers, the time component of the warranty is more important than the distance. This is because, according to Ausstats, the average car in Australia drives just under 15,000km a year. So in three years of average motoring the odometer will record just under 45,000km – so the warranty will expire (on the basis of time) before it’s halfway to the distance cut-off. Even someone who drives twice as far in distance as an average Aussie will be within the distance component of the warranty’s limits when they blow the time on their warranty’s clock.

This means the five-year warranty deal really is something many buyers in the market should consider. If you’ve two essentially equivalent cars on your short list, and one has two extra years’ warranty, that extra peace of mind might swing it for you – provided, of course, you intend to keep the car for longer than three years.

Warranties are generally transferrable to the next owner, provided the time/distance parameters are within the limits. However, if the car is a repaired write-off it is usually not covered by a warranty – so it pays to know if you’re buying one of those.

Warranties cover defects in the vehicle – provided they don’t manifest themselves because you abuse the car or just start wearing it out. Manufacturers, which generally don’t like to admit defects occur, often refer to warranty-related defect as ‘warrantable concerns’. They mean defects in manufacture of workmanship.

For example, if you’re driving down the freeway at 100km/h and the engine control unit carks itself for no apparent reason, your warranty will cover the repairs. But if you drive into a creek, exceed the wading depth of your shiny new 4X4 and the engine sucks water and develops and engine-trashing hydraulic lock, paying for that abuse will be your problem. Also, tyres, brakes (including rotors) and clutches, plus wiper blades, etc., that just wear out are your problem, which seems fair enough.

‘Abuse’ also covers things like using the wrong grade of fuel – so if your engine burns a piston because it needs 98RON fuel and you fed it 91RON, ownership of the problem will be yours. And, although you might not actually abuse your car during a track day, motorsport use is something that generally voids warranties.

Getting the right warranty is one thing; keeping it’s another. Basically, according to the ACCC, there are three servicing prerequisites you need to meet to maintain your warranty.

First up, you need to get your car serviced by someone qualified. This doesn’t necessarily mean an authorised agent of the manufacturer (ie a dealer) – although you could be forgiven for believing that it does.

The car industry practices a kind of coercion by stealth when it comes to servicing and warranty, without exactly walking across the ACCC’s anti-competitive line. In a nutshell, car companies don’t want you to know that it is perfectly okay to have your car serviced outside the authorised dealership network – provided the person who does the servicing is qualified to do it.

Basically, it would be both anti-competitive and illegal to make having your car serviced at the dealership a condition of your warranty.

Car dealers have been under considerable pressure since the GFC to maintain their viability by ramping up their so-called ‘ancilliary business’ – basically parts and servicing – but the fact remains that your warranty is not joined at the hip to the service department of the dealer who sold you the car.

Despite the car manufacturer’s prevarications, most scheduled servicing – especially for the first few years of a car’s life – boils down to little more than oil changes and a basic mechanical once-over, which is why often, out of sight, dealerships may put their lowest-paid service team members (apprentices) on that particular case. (It’s good business, but unpalatable to owners, when a high-priced prestige car cops a service at the hands of a second-year apprentice, which is why the technicians and owners often do not interact at dealerships.)

Most authorised dealers are actually very good at servicing – but some are not. Privately, off the record, senior car company executives will often admit that a small proportion of dealerships (and here, it pays to remember that car companies are actually quite separate from dealerships, which are overwhelmingly separately owned businesses with franchise agreements but which are basically in charge of their own quality control) often don’t invest heavily enough in things like training for their service techs. In this situation, there’s very little the parent car company can actually do about that. So the bottom line is that while the servicing at authorised dealerships is usually pretty good, going to an authorised dealer is no guarantee of getting a good job done.

The fact is, according to the ACCC, you may use a trusted third-party service technician (say, someone you know and trust) to service your new car and your warranty will remain intact – provided the technician is qualified, such as by being a trade-qualified mechanic.

Often its easier to get some ‘face time’ with a third-party servicing bloke who actually works on your car, which is something many dealerships frown upon, sometimes because they don’t want you to know he’s 17 years old who spent half of the time on your car thinking about his upcoming trip to the local tattoo parlour.

Third-party service providers generally have three things going for them. First, service is their main game, so their business lives and dies on the quality of the service they provide. Dealerships offer service as an ancilliary add-on. Second, you get to discuss your car’s condition with the bloke working on it. You might get a valuable insight into upcoming costs – for example it’s often good to know that you might need new front brake rotors at your next service, because you can then start budgeting for that cost, and it won’t come as a shock. Thirdly, third-party servicing is often cheaper that at a dealership.

A downside of the third-party option is that few third-party service providers can afford the expensive diagnostic machines genuine dealers are forced to purchase in order to dial up the car’s neural network and look for fault codes and reset warning lights. In this case, someone, either the third-party mechanic of you, will need to have a relationship with a genuine service department for dealing with (in particular) ECU-type faults.

The final problem with using a third-party service agent is that it could put you in the middle of a dispute between the car company and the service agent if your car develops a fault that you think is a warranty matter, and the car company tells you it’s the service agent’s problem, while the service agent tells you it’s the car company’s problem. If that happens, it’s probably a really good time to involve the Department of Fair Trading in your state as an adjudicator and, if necessary, an enforcer.

If your car has a warranty-type problem, a genuine dealer is the place to go. They should fix it for you without charge.

The second prerequisite for maintaining your warranty’s coverage is getting your servicing done to the manufacturer’s specifications. This is really important because, if for example there’s a 15,000km service interval and you’ve driven 25,000km without getting a service, you could very well be entirely on your own if a con rod punches its way out the side of the engine block because you’ve run too low on oil. In addition, whoever performs the service needs to meet the manufacturer’s specifications (for example they must change the oil and replace it with oil of appropriate specification, and do everything else in the schedule by the book).

Modifications are also very risky, warranty-wise – so if you get someone in the aftermarket modifications world to tweak your new car, you should inquire whether or not they will cover you against problems those modifications might cause. It’s almost certain the vehicle manufacturer will not.

Next week, we’ll talk about spare parts, and how these relate to both warranty and your hip pocket. That should be good for even more hate mail.


 
  • Alpha

    Just wondering is it alright if you service the new car based on distance rather than by time i.e. yearly without voiding the warranty.

    • http://www.facebook.com/millionsofmyles Myles Harris

      It is whichever comes first. You will see that in your owners manual as well.

    • somerandom

      The time limit is there because oil does break down over time and also kilometers travelled does not indicate idle time

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/ John Cadogan

    You have to conform to the service interval specified in the manual. If it says six months or 15,000km you have to service the car when the time gets to six months or the odo gets to 15,000km — whichever occurs first.

  • Nick K

    No, you need to service based on the manufacturers specs, ie, time and distance. Out of warranty you can use common sense. For example, according to Subaru every two years you need to change the auto trans oil, 3 diff oils, power steer oil, coolant and brake fluid. This can get expensive. What Subaru don’t tell you is that the ATF and diff oils used are mineral oils, but if you use synthetic oils you could double the time requirement if you do low Kms.

  • Smithy

    Two points of interest:
    1) The additional distance that VW now offer (on some models) is pointless, because as the article states owners won’t get there in the 3 years.
    2) Mitsubishi has an extended powertrain and rust warranty that DO NOT tranferr to second owners. Howerever the 5 year standard warranty does.

  • alpha

    Thanks for the quick reply

  • Charles

    Thanks for covering car ownership related issues.

  • Bold

    Some parts, material, must be changed after a certain period, regardless you drive two or three thousand km less than specified, for example, engine oil

  • Frenchie

    Yes, coolant and brake fluid do break down. But only after 2 or so years. Engine oil breaks down even quicker being heated (at higher temperaturs) and cooled. You are usally quite safe over a year. All depends how much oil you vehicle holds in its sump and whether it synthetic (longer you are able keep you oil from changing the oil usally costs more).

  • matt

    I have seen in a Subaru book that it states only a Subaru dealer/mechanic is allowed to service them

  • Joe

    Subaru mechanic being who?

    A dealer mechanic, or any Subaru specialist?

    All my Subaru’s are serviced by a Subaru specialist mechanic, who is MTA approved (the governing body for WA mechanics), not to mention they charge about half of what the dealership does!

    Just recently I was quoted $390 for an oil change and can of upper engine cleaner at the dealer.. as per the 25,000km service. That is absolute crackpot money compared to the $180 I paid for it at the Subaru specialist workshop.

  • Reckless1

    It’s worth noting that for those armchair experts that think 15000k/12 month servicing for new vehicles is too long (based on their old man telling them that oil only lasts 5000k/6 months at best), that changing oil earlier than specified is also frowned upon.

    Engine oils are exactly the same as auto transmission oils, in that changing 1/3 of the oil periodically will return the rest of the oil to full specification. It’s just a bit hard to only drain 1/3 of the sump.

    • Yonny

      What are you saying, that it is detrimental to change the oil more frequently than specified?

      • Bob

        Its just wasteful.

  • Flying High

    It might take some effort, but finding a mechanic you can trust and talk to face to face is the key. This is highly unlikely to be the case at a dealer. I wouldn’t touch most dealers with a barge pole personally. The biggest problem is actually trying to convince a dealer that an inherent mechanical problem is warranty related and not normal wear and tear.

    Sometimes the parts that ‘wear’ are so badly designed by the manufacturers in teh first place, that you are better off going aftermarket. The problem is that a manufacturer is unlikely to accept poor design or manufacturing standards of the said parts unless it becomes a publicly known safety issue.

  • Flying High

    I might add to the above comment, that I have found that a ‘dealer mechanic’ is less likely to report to you any potential problems which could be considered border line in terms of whether it is a warranty jobby or not.

    • Eric

      Why, They get paid but the Manufacturers to replace all those warranty items.

      Eric

  • Robin Graves

    I use the dealer for servicing in-warranty as I dont want to get caught out in the scenario mentioned in the article stuck between the manufacturer and the service agent. Outside warranty I service myself as I’m a qualified mechanic, just not working as one. I’ve had some dodgy stuff done at the dealers that I’m glad I check their work. They once overfilled my wife’s car by a lot, it was as high over full as the distance to empty – ie at least a litre overfull. The service manager tried to play it down but crank windage can cause frothing of the oil and bearing damage. I forced them to pay for an independant oil analysis and kept a sample in case of problems down the track.

  • My Cars Called T-Rex

    The driver of the Veron was heard to say as he got out of the car”Dammit I thought I ticked the speedboat opition box”.

    • Ricky

      I thought it was a Nissan GT-R when I first saw the pic.

  • Ricky

    I LOVE that my Hyundai i45 warranty states that my car only has to be serviced every 15,000km or 1 year. So much better than other brands where it’s every 6 months. and 5 years / unlimited km warranty is BEST in the industry. :D

    • Damian

      But the stigma that comes with driving a Hyundai more than negates the long warranty period.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      …which is blown into the weeds by brands like BMW who, depending on how you drive it, may only have to be serviced every couple of years or 25-30,000km depending on model.
      Ricky, you really need to open your eyes and take your blinkers off/hand off it to realise that 12 month/15,000km service intervals are nothing special anymore in Australia and are approaching the norm ie Ford and Mitsubishi (who has a 10 powertrain warranty, makes Hyundai’s 5 years look pretty ordinary…) to name a couple have the same intervals.
      It is now only a few mainstream makes like Mazda, Honda and Toyota (except Aurion) who still stipulate 6 month/10,000km or 6 month 12,500 in the case of Subaru.

    • Banicks

      It’s a Hyundai. Any qualified lawn mower repairman can sort those out. Scratch that, amateur lawn mower enthusiast.

  • kennyboye

    Probably obvious but I got caught out buying a demonstrator: only 5K on the clock but had to service it within 2 months of purchase because of the “time factor”. Called the dealer and the message was “too bad so sad”. Should have negotiated free service at time of sale…live and learn.

  • Fenno

    John,
    Great article once again. I have a few counters for your
    info that may just show the other side of the fence.

    1.”The fact is, according to the ACCC, you may use a trusted third-party service technician (say, someone you know and trust) to service your new car and your warranty will remain intact – provided the technician is qualified, such as by being a trade-qualified mechanic.”
    – Just be aware that many of the third party mechanics do not use genuine parts or (in the case of VW) oil. By not doing so an owner has little chance of getting any warranty coverage if those items are related to “warranty concerns”

    2. “sometimes because they don’t want you to know he’s 17 years old who spent half of the time on your car thinking about his upcoming trip to the local tattoo parlour.”
    – Please dont label all apprentices this way. My workshop has two mature-aged apprentices and three young apprentices, none of whom have the demeanor in which you have portayed them (remember, not all muslims are terrorists). Everybody has to start somewhere and contrary to what your ‘off the record’ source says, most dealership technicians are better trained than those in generic workshops who breeze through a couple of weeks of Tafe and thats about it.

    3. “Dealerships offer service as an ancilliary add-on.”
    Most new car departments run at a loss or barely on the break even. It is the service and parts that generate profitability. Every dealership I have worked in has had a first rate service department following an ethos of everybody (including the sales department) is a customer.

    3. I receive up to 20 calls a day from ‘third party mechanics’ (some of whom are specialists in my Brand) asking for help from technical items, right down to where to find such basic items as where the oil filter is. If you are not sure ask some questions about your car and if they seem to be a bit unsure, move on.

    Lastly,
    You dont have to service a car at the dealership (just like you have proven), but if you have an issue that happens just out of the warranty period (and believe me it does), you have very little chance of receiving any sort of goodwill or out-of-warranty assistance from the manufacturer if the vehicle was serviced elsewhere.
    That is a fact pertaining to nearly all brands (except Hyundai who give no assistance once the warranty has expired).

    Good luck all.

    • Banicks

      “3. “Dealerships offer service as an ancilliary add-on.”
      Most new car departments run at a loss or barely on the break even. It is the service and parts that generate profitability. Every dealership I have worked in has had a first rate service department following an ethos of everybody (including the sales department) is a customer. ”

      New cars sold at RRP, do not cost that much to build. Especially in bulk quantities.

      Worst case the manufacturer is, at the very minimum, doubling the build price. Of course we don’t have the figures, and I’m sure neither do you. But common sense tells us no manufacturer would still be in business if there wasn’t an effective margin of profit for its stake and share holders.

      Surely your not believing a dealerships’ sob story about barely breaking even on selling a new car!

      • Eric

        Dealer and Manafacturer are two different things.

        Eric

  • Flying High

    “…Just be aware that many of the third party mechanics do not use genuine parts or (in the case of VW) oil…”

    The article stipulated a ‘trusted’ technician who will always use genuine parts and top quality additives unless you request otherwise, or the genuine parts a lot of bollocks and the aftermarket parts are of a better quality, which would not be unusual. Try getting impartial advice from a dealership mechanic. Try getting a dealer mechanic to use a top quality oil or additive as opposed to the Manufacturer branded no frills variety. Not likely.

    “…most dealership technicians are better trained than those in generic workshops who breeze through a couple of weeks of Tafe and thats about it…”

    what absolute crap. Do you really think a hard working and trusted mechanic is going to hire someone on a couple of weeks Tafe training? Get a grip. The apprentices working at a local trusted mechanic will get to know you and your car and are certainly more knowledgeable than will be afforded by a ‘couple weeks at tafe’

    “…Every dealership I have worked in has had a first rate service department following an ethos of everybody (including the sales department) is a customer…. ”

    Yes friendly. Service a car properly? Sadly, I have not had that experience. I would not risk my vehicles with a dealership service department. Maybe my experiences are unique. Unlikely though.

    And to all of that, a mechanic who is servicing multiple vehicles tends to have broader knowledge across a number of vehicles. How many people have multiple vehicles of the same brand to have them serviced by the one dealer? But they can be all serviced by one ‘trusted’ mechanic.

    ‘Trusted’ mechanic? Not a term I have ever heard someone use in relation to a dealer. Damn boy! If you care about your car at all, you wouldn’t let a dealer near it.

  • Fenno

    If you needed a heart bypass would you go to your GP who dabbles in a little of everything or go to the specialist?
    Your bitterness towards the dealers is understandable but your retorts are emotionally backed and not factual.
    How long have you worked in a workshop for?
    Thought so…

    • Flying High

      “How long have you worked in a workshop for?…”

      I have and do work on my own car. I have pulled engines apart and put them back together. I haved worked on electricals and mechanical aspects of my cars. I am no stranger to what is a good job and what is not. My attitude towards dealer mechanics are not unfounded, having everything to do with fact, and nothing with emotion.

  • Bob

    Another point in favor of taking it to a dealer during warranty – Recalls.

    I took my Octavia back because of a minor trim vibration, and while it was in they performed a recall item on it. Something to do with the power window switches. If I had never gone back to the dealer, this potential problem would never have been rectified.

    I think i’ll be taking it back whilever its under warranty. But will be double checking their work, as you always should with any work done by tradesmen.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      That is not always the case WRT recalls Bob. The manufacturer should also send the owner a letter when there is a recall with the actions required for rectification. Then there is also the Recalls website that anyone can access to check if any recalls are due for your car.
      Dealer servicing however will mean that any “Technical Service Bulletins” (less serious ‘faults’ etc.) may be actioned. These are not as “serious” as recalls and are usually only actioned “on occurance” of the symptoms etc.

  • http://www.torquehonda.com.au The Dealer

    Once again, The Anti-Dealer, John Cadogan, strikes again!!! John, I must admit, a better than usual article, but yoy really don’t do the new car industry any favours do you?? We sell the cars so you can write about them, then, you “turn” on us Factory Based Dealers, and portray us as “theives”, “incompetant”, “liars” and the list goes on…
    Why let the truth get in the way of a crap article!! The diagnostics, by the way do more than fault codes, Software updates would be the most important one to point out that is a benefit you won’t get from independents.
    Also, Why is it Ultra Tune and Audi feature prominently, I see your ad listed on Ulta Tune website could be one reason? Which leaves the thought, is this really a marketing ploy for them or truthfully “Caradvice” for the consumer??

  • Eric

    Like any job there are good and bad employees, I can’t see why all dealer mechanics are no good??

    I would assume it customers expectation tend to want more from a dealer service.

    Eric

  • Gamer

    Can anyone please advise me.
    My wife has a Tarago. It is still under warranty but the drivers side air conditioning vent (adjustable air director) has broken. She took it in to Scifleet Toyota and they said it was not covered under warranty. Is this true or do I have an argument? The middle vents are very sticky and I think this is why this vent broke.

    Thanks in advance.

    • Fenno

      Did the piece just break by it self or was it a case of over exuberance when operating the swivel. 9 out of 10
      times it’s the latter and that is why your warranty claim is rejected. It’s not your dealer that is rejecting the claim. It’s the manufacturer (they pay the warranty bill to the dealer).

  • biker

    I can categorically state that the 6month/15 0000km whichever comes first is a rip-off from australian industry. Nissan for example specified the 15 000km based on what I would assume a conservative interval. The same nissan is sold all over the world and Australia dealers were the first I came across that has this 6 month rule. It is just another way of making more money from the customer, because oil doesn’t degrade to a dangerous level in 6 months or 5000 km. Nissan AUSTRALIA – do you honestly think a claim from Nissan Japan would be dishonoured if you went one month over the limit for the exact same defect from a claim from another country that has a 12month/15 000 km service interval?

    Which is also why some diesels had the service intervals increased, not because of the oil, but because of the increased fuel quality. Go figure.

    • ABMPSV

      100% agree. I am sure 6 months for many of us would come earlier than 15,000 km. I do around 13,000 km pa. It should be 1 year or 15,000 km which ever comes first. After 5 years you doing 150,000 km service but you done only 70,000!! It is only money making business. At least Toyota got $130 fixed price.

      • Eric

        $130 The rest of the service cost is bulit in to the price.

        • Mick

          The price which you cannot negotiate to remove.
          At least you get something back.
          Unlike the other companies who just keep all the money and charge you more.

  • Roger

    My dealership offers an airport parking & drop-off service so long as you’re having the scheduled servicing done by them.
    I only have to use it twice a year, avoiding the cost of long-term car parking. The savings far outweigh the difference in cost compared to servicing at my local mechanic. (even though he is great and has serviced my last 3 cars) So for me it suits me to use the dealer, so long as i don’t get the “surprise” part that “needs” replacing and it’s going to take 4 hours in labour….

    I also get unlimited free carwashs, anytime I want.

  • KAREN

    John Cadogan. Found your comments had quite a bit of substance regarding the servicing of New Car Warranty.Do you write for a magazine?We want to compile a series of comments for our staff meeting