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		<title>By: nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bought a Proton Pesona...

U do stupid things in life, some u can reverse some u cant. I bought the Pesona.

First few days, the power windows got stuck. Sent for repairs. Got stuck again. Me, Mr Stupid didn&#039;t read the so many reviews about Protons and their power windows.

Second week, the ignition keys got stuck in the assembly. I mean c&#039;monnn problems with keys too??

Third week, some rattling sounds coming under the dash...a screw loose sumwhere that eventually fell off. Its highly irritating like an itch that u cant scratch.

Fourth week, power windows got stuck again! i should have thought so. Also the fuel indicator indicates empty when i just filled up!

I tried selling the car...no takers...they have obviously read all about Proton and their miserable cars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought a Proton Pesona&#8230;</p>
<p>U do stupid things in life, some u can reverse some u cant. I bought the Pesona.</p>
<p>First few days, the power windows got stuck. Sent for repairs. Got stuck again. Me, Mr Stupid didn&#8217;t read the so many reviews about Protons and their power windows.</p>
<p>Second week, the ignition keys got stuck in the assembly. I mean c&#8217;monnn problems with keys too??</p>
<p>Third week, some rattling sounds coming under the dash&#8230;a screw loose sumwhere that eventually fell off. Its highly irritating like an itch that u cant scratch.</p>
<p>Fourth week, power windows got stuck again! i should have thought so. Also the fuel indicator indicates empty when i just filled up!</p>
<p>I tried selling the car&#8230;no takers&#8230;they have obviously read all about Proton and their miserable cars!</p>
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		<title>By: Azlan Mohd. Nor</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-2/#comment-141394</link>
		<dc:creator>Azlan Mohd. Nor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
i m amazed what is being transpired. i owned a proton and i bought it for both nationalistic reason and pratical purpose.  Proton is a practical car, i have 3 of them, i also onwed a mercedes, a perodua, a Kia and Naza. At times i prefer to drive my proton and vice-versa. It is not a bad car, it is comfortable, smooth, a hardly breakdown except for a few punctures and flat batteries.  i dare say it is compatible with my other car and i wonder how come u r saying all these bad things with proton.  
my advised is dont compare proton to to other cars just have a feel of driving the car ang judge it on its own merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
i m amazed what is being transpired. i owned a proton and i bought it for both nationalistic reason and pratical purpose.  Proton is a practical car, i have 3 of them, i also onwed a mercedes, a perodua, a Kia and Naza. At times i prefer to drive my proton and vice-versa. It is not a bad car, it is comfortable, smooth, a hardly breakdown except for a few punctures and flat batteries.  i dare say it is compatible with my other car and i wonder how come u r saying all these bad things with proton.<br />
my advised is dont compare proton to to other cars just have a feel of driving the car ang judge it on its own merit.</p>
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		<title>By: FrugalOne</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-2/#comment-138110</link>
		<dc:creator>FrugalOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last 2 posts....

Good to see you Malaysian;s are buying them [forced by you GovCo&#039;s heavy tariff on imported car brands]us Aussie&#039;s inc. your good Malay brothers here in Oz are not.

You can buy superior with the same coin.Cut the price and it *might* work, doubt it though, you cannot fool all the people all the time, besides the Chinese are here very soon, and the prices will be super low and they will blow you out of the water.Over 9 million cars made in China, i think we need to take serious notice of them!

Frankly Proton&#039;s are hated here in Oz, they cannot get the brand off the ground, come a day when they will sell more Lotus&#039;s here in Oz than Protons....lol

I would take Lotus off them though, fantastic brains-trust organisation.Honour to own such a icon.

Cheers

F-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last 2 posts&#8230;.</p>
<p>Good to see you Malaysian;s are buying them [forced by you GovCo's heavy tariff on imported car brands]us Aussie&#8217;s inc. your good Malay brothers here in Oz are not.</p>
<p>You can buy superior with the same coin.Cut the price and it *might* work, doubt it though, you cannot fool all the people all the time, besides the Chinese are here very soon, and the prices will be super low and they will blow you out of the water.Over 9 million cars made in China, i think we need to take serious notice of them!</p>
<p>Frankly Proton&#8217;s are hated here in Oz, they cannot get the brand off the ground, come a day when they will sell more Lotus&#8217;s here in Oz than Protons&#8230;.lol</p>
<p>I would take Lotus off them though, fantastic brains-trust organisation.Honour to own such a icon.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: CARE-WAJA-GEN2CPS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CARE-WAJA-GEN2CPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care too much about these wannabes continantal-car-owners. My Iswara car clocked 320,000 km (I kid you not) without even a top over-haul. For two years it has given me faithful service everday weekday , from kuala lumpur to rawang--without any problem. 
Then I changed to a Waja--5 years and 240,000 km later---again, no overhaul or major repair or top overhaul, I swopped it for the Gen2 CPS. SAfter  7 months, I &#039;m still very happy with its performance. 

Sure it has its problems -- niggly at times. But then, my son&#039;s Airtrek cost him a bundle when he he had transmission proble, His next BMW too cost him a major repair. So far he is happy with his new Audi A4. AND HE HAS NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT MY PROTONS. HIS PREVIOUS CARS INCLUDED THE ALFA 156, THE SUBARU WRX AND ANOTHER AIRTRK TURBO.CONTRARY TO THAT HES THINKING OF A GEN2 CPS TO RUN AROUND. 

So to those buggers not happy with my Proton, nobodys forcing you to buy. You have choice----BUT PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR FANTASY IS !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care too much about these wannabes continantal-car-owners. My Iswara car clocked 320,000 km (I kid you not) without even a top over-haul. For two years it has given me faithful service everday weekday , from kuala lumpur to rawang&#8211;without any problem.<br />
Then I changed to a Waja&#8211;5 years and 240,000 km later&#8212;again, no overhaul or major repair or top overhaul, I swopped it for the Gen2 CPS. SAfter  7 months, I &#8216;m still very happy with its performance. </p>
<p>Sure it has its problems &#8212; niggly at times. But then, my son&#8217;s Airtrek cost him a bundle when he he had transmission proble, His next BMW too cost him a major repair. So far he is happy with his new Audi A4. AND HE HAS NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT MY PROTONS. HIS PREVIOUS CARS INCLUDED THE ALFA 156, THE SUBARU WRX AND ANOTHER AIRTRK TURBO.CONTRARY TO THAT HES THINKING OF A GEN2 CPS TO RUN AROUND. </p>
<p>So to those buggers not happy with my Proton, nobodys forcing you to buy. You have choice&#8212;-BUT PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR FANTASY IS !!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reuben How</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reuben How</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I own a Proton Waja, it has done about 250 000 kms, still on regular service with proton dealers, in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Yes, its a decent A - B car. I also own a Proton Persona. Globally, its not a competitive model. To gain credibility, it has to have a larger model line - up, catering to more sectors of the motoring industry. The R &amp; D, safety aspects should be up to scratch. Most of their car models can achieve a  Euro NCAP 4 star rating. 

Take Kia and Hyundai for example. I think that the Koreans are moving in a better direction. I hear that in 2011, All car models exported from Korea will be fiited with Electronic Stability Program / VSC as standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a Proton Waja, it has done about 250 000 kms, still on regular service with proton dealers, in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Yes, its a decent A &#8211; B car. I also own a Proton Persona. Globally, its not a competitive model. To gain credibility, it has to have a larger model line &#8211; up, catering to more sectors of the motoring industry. The R &amp; D, safety aspects should be up to scratch. Most of their car models can achieve a  Euro NCAP 4 star rating. </p>
<p>Take Kia and Hyundai for example. I think that the Koreans are moving in a better direction. I hear that in 2011, All car models exported from Korea will be fiited with Electronic Stability Program / VSC as standard.</p>
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		<title>By: krow</title>
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		<dc:creator>krow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Business Says: 
February 6th, 2009 at 11:50 pm 
Just one thing, change the top management to other race, it will improve.

refer to the above..
that shows how idiotic some people are in this forum. what has race got to do with managing an auto company? *duh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Business Says:<br />
February 6th, 2009 at 11:50 pm<br />
Just one thing, change the top management to other race, it will improve.</p>
<p>refer to the above..<br />
that shows how idiotic some people are in this forum. what has race got to do with managing an auto company? *duh*</p>
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		<title>By: Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one thing, change the top management to other race, it will improve.

i do not know much about cars, i was quite confident in proton persona. just that they do not know how to do business

u know what, i was planning to get a persona until hear word of mouth from my friends. of course this is part of the business factor they need to control.

even if they deliver quality cars, it wouldn&#039;t help if they do not know how to market them well. just word of mouth alone, kills them badly. they lost the sales before even selling the car, they don&#039;t get it.

yea, the other thing is, i think they make malaysia felt being &quot;force&quot; to buy their cars due to pricing. who would give good word of mouth when they buy with the main reason of low price? &quot;i buy proton because of price&quot;
they just make customer don&#039;t feel good about their decision, how the hell customer gonna tell u good about the car.

having the government to cover their ass gives people the opportunity to bash them again and again. conclusion is they not really doing a business, their aim are low, always cheap,yea u get cheap image now,proton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one thing, change the top management to other race, it will improve.</p>
<p>i do not know much about cars, i was quite confident in proton persona. just that they do not know how to do business</p>
<p>u know what, i was planning to get a persona until hear word of mouth from my friends. of course this is part of the business factor they need to control.</p>
<p>even if they deliver quality cars, it wouldn&#8217;t help if they do not know how to market them well. just word of mouth alone, kills them badly. they lost the sales before even selling the car, they don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>yea, the other thing is, i think they make malaysia felt being &#8220;force&#8221; to buy their cars due to pricing. who would give good word of mouth when they buy with the main reason of low price? &#8220;i buy proton because of price&#8221;<br />
they just make customer don&#8217;t feel good about their decision, how the hell customer gonna tell u good about the car.</p>
<p>having the government to cover their ass gives people the opportunity to bash them again and again. conclusion is they not really doing a business, their aim are low, always cheap,yea u get cheap image now,proton</p>
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		<title>By: FRUGAL_ONE</title>
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		<dc:creator>FRUGAL_ONE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LUKEE^^^

Welcome to lifes learning curve, looks like u actually got A-GOOD-ONE! :-) LOL

If your been offered $12k, mate, jump on the buyer and grab the cash!

The Proton is the ONLY car i saw at the auction that NOBODY would bid on, kinda sad really [not!].

I think even the Chinese make better cars, have not seen any of them yet, but the mail is 3rd. quarter they will be here.

Buy a Japper, move on!

Cheers

F-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LUKEE^^^</p>
<p>Welcome to lifes learning curve, looks like u actually got A-GOOD-ONE! :-) LOL</p>
<p>If your been offered $12k, mate, jump on the buyer and grab the cash!</p>
<p>The Proton is the ONLY car i saw at the auction that NOBODY would bid on, kinda sad really [not!].</p>
<p>I think even the Chinese make better cars, have not seen any of them yet, but the mail is 3rd. quarter they will be here.</p>
<p>Buy a Japper, move on!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: Lukee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bought a demo model of the 2008 Persona with 4000k&#039;s, after 4 months i must tell you the vibrating from the dash is a nightmare, the doors vibrate inside at random times. Put the pedal to the floor, it has the acceleration of a golf cart, thank you Proton for your shoddy Malaysian quality, i have to sell it, and I&#039;m only being offered around 10-12,000 Australian, when i spent 17k for the bloody thing. Wish i did the research a bit more before i bought the car, so any Aussies reading this get a Mazda 3 or a Lancer, don&#039;t get caught into buying this lemon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bought a demo model of the 2008 Persona with 4000k&#8217;s, after 4 months i must tell you the vibrating from the dash is a nightmare, the doors vibrate inside at random times. Put the pedal to the floor, it has the acceleration of a golf cart, thank you Proton for your shoddy Malaysian quality, i have to sell it, and I&#8217;m only being offered around 10-12,000 Australian, when i spent 17k for the bloody thing. Wish i did the research a bit more before i bought the car, so any Aussies reading this get a Mazda 3 or a Lancer, don&#8217;t get caught into buying this lemon.</p>
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		<title>By: kimo</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-2/#comment-112045</link>
		<dc:creator>kimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s a great car and very strong engine ,good fule consumbtion and not expencive .....my advice..just try to drive it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a great car and very strong engine ,good fule consumbtion and not expencive &#8230;..my advice..just try to drive it</p>
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		<title>By: Paul KCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul KCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been driving the Persona SE for 2 months. Indeed Proton have come along way and in the case of the Persona SE, owning and driving one is believing! So much bashing about Proton being a lousy car goes down the drain immediately the moment you test drive it!
 
My findings : The car drives so smoothly and even at 160Kpm, you can hardly feel any strain or notice it. With its leather seats, the car is a comnfort to drive long distance. Really, I have no regrets buying this Persona SE. And if I have to do it again, I will but maybe I will go for the brilliant red color this time round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been driving the Persona SE for 2 months. Indeed Proton have come along way and in the case of the Persona SE, owning and driving one is believing! So much bashing about Proton being a lousy car goes down the drain immediately the moment you test drive it!</p>
<p>My findings : The car drives so smoothly and even at 160Kpm, you can hardly feel any strain or notice it. With its leather seats, the car is a comnfort to drive long distance. Really, I have no regrets buying this Persona SE. And if I have to do it again, I will but maybe I will go for the brilliant red color this time round.</p>
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		<title>By: Jyno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jyno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh...just test drive the persona today ,it feel great ! everyone here , please try before giving your opinion . Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh&#8230;just test drive the persona today ,it feel great ! everyone here , please try before giving your opinion . Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: kassorga</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-98527</link>
		<dc:creator>kassorga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FACT 1: malaysians can easily fall into political trap when talking about proton. No wonder there are lots of proton (a.k.a. BN government) bashers who hardly know about car anatomy. If proton is a brainchild of an opposition political party, all the bashes could become praises.

So my dear malaysians, lets get apolotical when talking about cars.  Behave like Koreans who don&#039;t like foreign cars (not because their cars are so superior). Just behave like a citizen whose country never ambitious to produce cars.  Independent. Fair. Square.  After all, buying a proton is not a mandatory in Malaysia.  You don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t buy. If you choose not to buy, don&#039;t influence others with your biased thought. 

FACT 2: &#039;Critique&#039; is emotional. Old Protons (old sagas and wiras) are sad history of Proton&#039;s old management, and too bad, these images have been painted on Proton until today. But problems mostly confined to COSMETIC matters (what car don&#039;t, anyway).  Proton has reformed under new management.  The bashers only have old lousy Wiras or Old Saga to dramatise their trauma while trying to cover-up proton&#039;s new breed of affordable yet outstanding cars like Gen-2, Persona, Savvy or sporty sleek Satria Neo R3.  Be fair.

FACT 3:  I wrote not because I own Proton Persona (as my other car).  I just cannot keep to my self that Persona runs far better than my wife&#039;s (overrated) Toyota Vious! And I only need European cars to compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FACT 1: malaysians can easily fall into political trap when talking about proton. No wonder there are lots of proton (a.k.a. BN government) bashers who hardly know about car anatomy. If proton is a brainchild of an opposition political party, all the bashes could become praises.</p>
<p>So my dear malaysians, lets get apolotical when talking about cars.  Behave like Koreans who don&#8217;t like foreign cars (not because their cars are so superior). Just behave like a citizen whose country never ambitious to produce cars.  Independent. Fair. Square.  After all, buying a proton is not a mandatory in Malaysia.  You don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t buy. If you choose not to buy, don&#8217;t influence others with your biased thought. </p>
<p>FACT 2: &#8216;Critique&#8217; is emotional. Old Protons (old sagas and wiras) are sad history of Proton&#8217;s old management, and too bad, these images have been painted on Proton until today. But problems mostly confined to COSMETIC matters (what car don&#8217;t, anyway).  Proton has reformed under new management.  The bashers only have old lousy Wiras or Old Saga to dramatise their trauma while trying to cover-up proton&#8217;s new breed of affordable yet outstanding cars like Gen-2, Persona, Savvy or sporty sleek Satria Neo R3.  Be fair.</p>
<p>FACT 3:  I wrote not because I own Proton Persona (as my other car).  I just cannot keep to my self that Persona runs far better than my wife&#8217;s (overrated) Toyota Vious! And I only need European cars to compare.</p>
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		<title>By: Critique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Critique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 03:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to own a Proton Wira 1.3 first batch, after two years I had to fix the windows 3 times a year, I had bearing problems like 4 times a year and probably more. Can I blame it on the roads? Yes I can blame it on the roads but then I have an old 30 year old Celica which never had bearing problems and I drove it like I do with a race car! Despite the cheap proton parts it is not cheap in the long run. The engine was alright as it was a mitsubishi engine. Overall the car is not bad. Driving experience and all it was nothing to shout about but it is a good car for those who are buying their first car. Quality? If you compare to now and more than ten years ago, you would see that the quality was way better back then. How is this? Compare the seats for example, it is obvious the materials used were better back then than now. The dashboard? Yes it is true the Wira dashboards were cheap plastic compared to the Gen2/Persona but if you look at the first and 2nd batch of Wiras, they were WAY better than the Gen2s/Persona. My first generation Wira had less road noise than the Wiras that came out 4 years later. If anyone goes to a dealer and tested the boot or the doors and it is hard to close, the sales people will always say &quot;Proton lah faham lah...&quot; (It is Proton, you understand).

Is the car cheap? It&#039;s the cheapest car people can afford but not a cheap car. With a 9 year loan to buy a new car the poor people will forever be stuck with the car they buy, hence Proton. Some of you have mentioned that it is because of the Govt imposing tarriffs/tax being the reason why that international makes are expensive. That is so true plus the reason sales will not increase. 

Did anyone know that the first batch of Campro branded cars were not the so-called Campro engine? Alot of my friends did not know. How did I know this? It was never mentioned or made obvious but if people had read the magazines with the articles on the cars with the first Campros launched, it was mentioned that the engine was not a Campro. My guess is that in case there was any lawsuit on false advertising, Proton can just say that they had mentioned it in the articles.

There is no denying that there will always be people who support the National brand, unfortunately these will be people who can never be reasoned with. 

I can see that Proton is trying but unfortunately they will never survive the Global market. No research done on this but if you compare the Koreans to the Malaysians, both countries had replicated cars but we can see which car brand is giving the better end of the bargain and surviving globally. There used to be Hyundai jokes, now is Proton the joke?

To be fair, Proton is not the only car maker in trouble, check out Ford and GM, both are in trouble as both relied on their &quot;cash cows&quot; without any proper long term product development. Both relied on the sales of trucks/pickups but now other brands (Honda and Toyota) are competing and picking up the pace. Was not Proton doing the same thing? One of the best selling models were the Sagas and how old is the car until they came up with the current generation Sagas. But seriously, if the government had not supported Proton in the form of international car taxes, whereby cornering people into buying the cheapest of the cars in Malaysia, and bailing them out, will Proton survived until this day? I would apply the same thing with MAS. It was fortunate that SIA split with MAS during the earlier stages, see where they are now…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to own a Proton Wira 1.3 first batch, after two years I had to fix the windows 3 times a year, I had bearing problems like 4 times a year and probably more. Can I blame it on the roads? Yes I can blame it on the roads but then I have an old 30 year old Celica which never had bearing problems and I drove it like I do with a race car! Despite the cheap proton parts it is not cheap in the long run. The engine was alright as it was a mitsubishi engine. Overall the car is not bad. Driving experience and all it was nothing to shout about but it is a good car for those who are buying their first car. Quality? If you compare to now and more than ten years ago, you would see that the quality was way better back then. How is this? Compare the seats for example, it is obvious the materials used were better back then than now. The dashboard? Yes it is true the Wira dashboards were cheap plastic compared to the Gen2/Persona but if you look at the first and 2nd batch of Wiras, they were WAY better than the Gen2s/Persona. My first generation Wira had less road noise than the Wiras that came out 4 years later. If anyone goes to a dealer and tested the boot or the doors and it is hard to close, the sales people will always say &#8220;Proton lah faham lah&#8230;&#8221; (It is Proton, you understand).</p>
<p>Is the car cheap? It&#8217;s the cheapest car people can afford but not a cheap car. With a 9 year loan to buy a new car the poor people will forever be stuck with the car they buy, hence Proton. Some of you have mentioned that it is because of the Govt imposing tarriffs/tax being the reason why that international makes are expensive. That is so true plus the reason sales will not increase. </p>
<p>Did anyone know that the first batch of Campro branded cars were not the so-called Campro engine? Alot of my friends did not know. How did I know this? It was never mentioned or made obvious but if people had read the magazines with the articles on the cars with the first Campros launched, it was mentioned that the engine was not a Campro. My guess is that in case there was any lawsuit on false advertising, Proton can just say that they had mentioned it in the articles.</p>
<p>There is no denying that there will always be people who support the National brand, unfortunately these will be people who can never be reasoned with. </p>
<p>I can see that Proton is trying but unfortunately they will never survive the Global market. No research done on this but if you compare the Koreans to the Malaysians, both countries had replicated cars but we can see which car brand is giving the better end of the bargain and surviving globally. There used to be Hyundai jokes, now is Proton the joke?</p>
<p>To be fair, Proton is not the only car maker in trouble, check out Ford and GM, both are in trouble as both relied on their &#8220;cash cows&#8221; without any proper long term product development. Both relied on the sales of trucks/pickups but now other brands (Honda and Toyota) are competing and picking up the pace. Was not Proton doing the same thing? One of the best selling models were the Sagas and how old is the car until they came up with the current generation Sagas. But seriously, if the government had not supported Proton in the form of international car taxes, whereby cornering people into buying the cheapest of the cars in Malaysia, and bailing them out, will Proton survived until this day? I would apply the same thing with MAS. It was fortunate that SIA split with MAS during the earlier stages, see where they are now…</p>
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		<title>By: Namless</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-92899</link>
		<dc:creator>Namless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 06:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relax James.. not to say proton not good.. but they did R&amp;D to find the best product to fit into their production. the old car for proton was parts most if not all are from mitsu so the durability is better... but now they localize everything to cut cost or to support their local vendor but give so many problem to their buyers.. And thanks to their government taxation  on other makes like toyota honda kia all price sky high. kinda unfair to Malaysian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relax James.. not to say proton not good.. but they did R&amp;D to find the best product to fit into their production. the old car for proton was parts most if not all are from mitsu so the durability is better&#8230; but now they localize everything to cut cost or to support their local vendor but give so many problem to their buyers.. And thanks to their government taxation  on other makes like toyota honda kia all price sky high. kinda unfair to Malaysian.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-92471</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop giving excuses. Yeah proton is our national car so what...I love to support and proud with our national products too...
DO you know the kind of feeling when you need to visit the workshop every month to fix the defect ?
People buying proton cause it is affordable for their income.

Don;t tell me the QC in proton are too dumb to test the product before release to the market.....All these year with same defect...if proton don;t bother to improve the quality better close shop....

You want proof...just simply pick a few proton users and ask them how many will replace their old proton with new proton model</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop giving excuses. Yeah proton is our national car so what&#8230;I love to support and proud with our national products too&#8230;<br />
DO you know the kind of feeling when you need to visit the workshop every month to fix the defect ?<br />
People buying proton cause it is affordable for their income.</p>
<p>Don;t tell me the QC in proton are too dumb to test the product before release to the market&#8230;..All these year with same defect&#8230;if proton don;t bother to improve the quality better close shop&#8230;.</p>
<p>You want proof&#8230;just simply pick a few proton users and ask them how many will replace their old proton with new proton model</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-92327</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 01:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proton = profit = rubbish car maker</description>
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		<title>By: Nameless</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-92128</link>
		<dc:creator>Nameless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 18:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hotwheel, my friend from malaysia told me that between year late 19 until year 2000 they do nothing but copy exterior of mitsu and produce.. Is it true ?? If yes then what are they doing all these time ?? at least for now as a 30 year plus company they should at least have a better building quality for their product.. My friends suffer from their Gen-2 for 2 months entering the service center for almost 7 times and finally sold them. I&#039;m not saying that Proton useless.. But try to think about it.. 30 years with the help of Lotus.. They should be climbing up in the market faster than the hyundai that only had 40 years without major help from elsewwhere company until lately they introduced the CVVT engine as project helped by some  leading company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hotwheel, my friend from malaysia told me that between year late 19 until year 2000 they do nothing but copy exterior of mitsu and produce.. Is it true ?? If yes then what are they doing all these time ?? at least for now as a 30 year plus company they should at least have a better building quality for their product.. My friends suffer from their Gen-2 for 2 months entering the service center for almost 7 times and finally sold them. I&#8217;m not saying that Proton useless.. But try to think about it.. 30 years with the help of Lotus.. They should be climbing up in the market faster than the hyundai that only had 40 years without major help from elsewwhere company until lately they introduced the CVVT engine as project helped by some  leading company.</p>
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		<title>By: mYnAMEiS</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-92014</link>
		<dc:creator>mYnAMEiS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear fullOFshxt...
mind ur language.
there is no car in this universe created by a human being
made to last.in fact,nothing will last.if that ever happen,you probably won&#039;t be having a job by now.
i am malaysian,and i&#039;m proud of proton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear fullOFshxt&#8230;<br />
mind ur language.<br />
there is no car in this universe created by a human being<br />
made to last.in fact,nothing will last.if that ever happen,you probably won&#8217;t be having a job by now.<br />
i am malaysian,and i&#8217;m proud of proton.</p>
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		<title>By: hotwheels</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/8445/2008-proton-persona/comment-page-1/#comment-91589</link>
		<dc:creator>hotwheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a Malaysian and i see local Proton bashers have gone international and bash Proton products overseas among other nations people..haha wtf? what a bunch of idiots!
see the thing in Malaysia is the people doesn&#039;t know how to appreciate Proton products even if it is GOOD..of course Proton does slacks in the past but they are recovering.. for Persona i&#039;ve test drive it and for the price it is ok with the equipment list provided.. and now Proton come out with Persona SE which the rims are from the Waja/Impian model and the result? the rims are the main bashing point! N i&#039;m wondering why they always comparing Proton products to well established competitors? Nevertheless,Proton started making their own cars just from 1996!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a Malaysian and i see local Proton bashers have gone international and bash Proton products overseas among other nations people..haha wtf? what a bunch of idiots!<br />
see the thing in Malaysia is the people doesn&#8217;t know how to appreciate Proton products even if it is GOOD..of course Proton does slacks in the past but they are recovering.. for Persona i&#8217;ve test drive it and for the price it is ok with the equipment list provided.. and now Proton come out with Persona SE which the rims are from the Waja/Impian model and the result? the rims are the main bashing point! N i&#8217;m wondering why they always comparing Proton products to well established competitors? Nevertheless,Proton started making their own cars just from 1996!</p>
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