Pontiac wants VE Ute and Sportwagon
20 Nov, 2007
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General Motors has announced plans to expand its family of rear-wheel-drive vehicles for its subsidiary brand Pontiac. The Pontiac G8 range, better known as the VE Commodore, will go on sale beginning with the sedan (Commodore) and expand to include the VE Ute and Sportwagon.
American sources are saying the VE Sportwagon will be a performance vehicle similar to the Audi A3 wagon! Huh? We somewhat disagree, given the different size, drivetrain and overall look of the car.
According to the Americans, the G8 sport truck (better known here as the mighty Ute) is supposedly similar to the old Chevrolet El Camino (1959 - 1987). WEll, they’re both rear-wheel drive but clearly GM’s marketing department has been hard at work.
GM executives had debated over marketing the Sportwagon and Ute as part of its GMC light truck brand. But they eventually decided to keep the Pontiac label to emphasise them as part of a rear-wheel-drive performance family accompanying the G8 saloon.
GM plans to market all three flavours of our beloved Commodore as a high-performance family cars, suggesting that only the high-spec variants will be sent over.
While these plans are already in motion, there is one underlying factor that may put a spanner in the works - the strong Australian economy.
We have all been bombarded by Howard and Costello going on about the strong Australian economy, true enough but if the Aussie dollar goes any higher against the greenback, exports of the VE Ute and Sportwagon risk being cancelled.
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November 20th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Typically though, the yanks will get more features, more power, a better sounding exhaust and it will cost less to buy there than a Barina does here…How does that work Holden? If you can sell them over there for so cheap…why not here?
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November 20th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
You can’t blame Holden for the US economy.
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November 20th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Holden are on a winner the VE Series utes and that Sportswagon. I agree. why aren’t our locally produced cars as cheap as cars you can buy in the states for a song!
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November 20th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
no we cant blame holden for our economy Myke…..
But when our dollars are nearly the same, how can the us buy a commodore cheaper than us? australians are being taken for a ride….
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November 20th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Cars have always been cheaper in the US compared to Australia. However Australia isn’t the worst off in terms of what we pay for our cars, have a look at Europe.
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November 20th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Someone is making money here……..you would have fair idea Tonyn of markup in a lot of cars ha! Do you think GM in the States send engines to us without charging Holden cause they would be buying back there own engines otherwise! They would save money there for a start I guess! Also where do the gear boxes ect originate from? Holden simply put the instillation costs into the manufacturing side of the cars not some of the parts maybe?
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November 20th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
…still, I can see why Pontiac would want the Sportwagon, it’s such a good looking car.
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November 20th, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Com’on BM who do you think makes the money?? The bloody government with their import/export taxes ..
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November 20th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
I can see both the Sportwagon and Ute doing well in the States however how on earth are Holden going to meet demand with their production capacity? I have read that Mitsubishi are in the final stages of deciding whether or not to shut up shop in Adelaide next year…maybe they can do a deal with Holden to take on production of the Holden Ute?!? A long shot yes but you never know!
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November 20th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
Here we go again. Put your calculators away, all of you. It just makes you all upset. These indignant arguments about the price of our cars have been going on ever since Ford started shipping Capris to the USA for a song to take on the Mazda MX5, and ya know what? Nothing’s gonna change, nothing’s gonna make…any…difference…
So let’s just celebrate instead that at least one local manufacturer has the product, the balls and the forward planning to send our cars to America in the first place. A G8 Sportwagon in Morpheous Metallic is sure to go down as smoothly as Apple Pie for Sunday lunch.
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November 20th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
Even though the car is cheap there are other factors also
when i lived in canada (and also talked with folks in the US) the cars were cheap and repayments were amazing (zero down for 18 months and roughly 3 percent interest!)
But you were slammed with GST on top of that price plus provincial tax plus compulsary insurance plus BUYING REGISTRATION PLATES EVEN WITH SECOND HAND VEHICLES. So when you look at it it all balances out the car itself is cheap but the add on costs were rediculous
I know things are different slightly in the states but one thing i do know is they have been screaming for our ute for some time. They will be happy as pigs in shit when it hits their shores
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November 20th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
How the Americans will accept a car without side and curtain airbags, I do not know.
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November 20th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Having been to the states a few times, I just wish I had some good contacts in the aussie auto world…. I would have had falcon and commodore utes there years ago… and by now would have been worth more than the powerball jackpot!!!
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November 20th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
umm JW the sportswagon DOES have side and curtain airbags?
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November 20th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
for sure alec
If only i took the risk at the time and financed myself into a brand new vz maloo, shipped it over and sold it to some american holden nut over there i was living in nz at the time so US dollars at that time converted into monopoly money i could of started my own car company ha ha ha!
They Love XA coupes ever since Mad Max
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November 20th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
One of the reasons why American cars are cheaper than Autralian cars could be because Over the years the yanks have become used to paying $15-20;000 for a car similar to the commodore..therefore; inorder to compete in the US market; car companies are forced to sell im[orted cars at lower prices than at home -if they make a loss they usually try to recover it in the local market
However; recent trends in the US show more and more people are gradually turning away from the locally built cars [particularly SUVs etc] in favour of smaller more compact imported cars. Or maybe theyve finallyrealised how inferior their build quality is compared to Europe Japan and Oz.
Eitherway if this trend continues and the popularity of and demand for imports in America increases.. car companies like Holden might be able to increase prices slightly.
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November 20th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Brett - the idea of Holden taking over the Mitsubishi plant [on the other side of town] When Mitsubishi close has been floating around on various auto websites for some time.. ever since the 380 was released
I think its a a great idea as it the mitsubishi workers would retain ther jobs.. infact it would probably mean hiring ex mitsubishi workers.. as they would definitely be making more than the 30 or so cars currently being made at Tonsley Park each day
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November 20th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
The wagon is the best looking VE in the line up but unfortunately will have same cheap materials and poor build quality, but then again it really is just a fleet/taxi car.
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November 20th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Don’t forget the wagon is engineered for AWD. If Pontiac wanted a genuine European style sports estate the sportswagon has the ability to be developed into one.
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November 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
Darren why does it have to be AWD? Last time i checked BMW and merceedes, which are the very ideal of a european style sports makers, only use RWD, not AWD
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November 20th, 2007 at 7:21 pm
I feel the first locally built Holden sedan to have AWD will more than likely be the TT-36 Torana in 2010 and it could possibly use an AWD system similar to Subaru as I believe the new Saab 9-X Wagon uses it
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November 20th, 2007 at 8:12 pm
hey wheelnut,
is the torana confirmed?
if they are going to do it they will have to change the name
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:25 am
Not the ute… it has no side or curtain airbags. ESP isn’t a replacement for those, in my opinion.
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November 21st, 2007 at 8:37 am
i dont think the ute can have those as cabin space is reduced? and no commercial car has side or curtain bags?
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November 21st, 2007 at 12:53 pm
Richo,
That’s true. I was thinking Audi. But either way, the possibility is there and if we are going to get a local AWD version (I’m sure HSV just want one) more than likely it would need export customers to make financial sense.
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November 21st, 2007 at 1:05 pm
i doubt it darren,
the adventura was a huge failure for holden, i think they would be hesitant to go back there!
i couldnt see them doing that.
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November 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
I’m fairly certain that the Holden CEO stated that there wouldn’t be any more AWD locally built Holdens…they took a bath on the Crewman, One Tonner and Adventura and as such will limit the drivetrain/floorpan options in order to save money.
Maybe this way they can gain enough export credits to import a modern diesel so that Oz customers can finally have that as an option…but I’m probably dreaming - no way Holden would actually give the customers what they want, after all they are so used to just telling us what we need and we (Australians) just go along with it.
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November 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Sorry Tommo617 but the VE platform IS designed to be AWD capable. The VT-VZ was never designed to Accept this and so was a compromise. But if the need ever arrises then Holden can easily slip it in.
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November 21st, 2007 at 5:55 pm
JW,
oh no! no curtain or side airbags in a ute oooohhhhhhh.
pfffft!!!!
who cares? people need to stop judging a cars safety by the electronic devices it does or doesnot have.
some cars without them still achieve acceptable or equal ratings as those that do have them. people need to get over if it doesnt have ESP or 14 airbags it is a death trap, cause it is not
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November 21st, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Half of Americans don’t even wear seatbelts. Are the air bags high on their list because of that? Maybe bucket sized cup holders are more popular.
I’m more concerned at Holdens lack of detail regarding the hard cover. One place told me it would be available 15th November for $2200 fitted. Another dealer said early December $2800 not fitted.
Holden should also have a brake upgrade option. The SS-V sedan tested many times has proved to be lacking in that area and I think the ute will have the same issues.
I also don’t like the red instruments for the black ute. Holden should give the option for any other combination besides red. Better colour options would be nice. How many people are going to buy Morpheous? It looks bloody stupid.
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November 21st, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Andrew M: The TT-36 Torana hasnt officially been confirmed as yet. However; there is more of a push [within GM] to get it into production as it will also become the new [Compact] Pontiac G6. Therefore; the likliehood of it getting the green light [at this stage] is 98%
Because the Concept car was such a hit when it was unveiled at the Sydney Motor Show a couple of years ago.. it’s unlikely that Holden will change it that much.. including the name.
If anything were to change I’d say the Twin Turbo 3.6 V6 will get an increase in power up to 300Kw+
Where will it be built? Well there’s always the old Mitsubishi factory if/when it closes [again a 98% chance]
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November 21st, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Tez Both Holden and Ford come out with these “Hero” colours such as:
Morpheous
Atomic
Crush
Ignition
Acid rush and
Citric acid
inorder to judge public response and going by the number of both Falcons and Commodores I’ve seen in these colours lately it seems people like them.
Morpheous isn’t as popular as the other Hero Colours as yet..but its numbers appear to be growing.
besides there’s no way you’d lose it in a car park.
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pm
wheelnut,
is it just wishfull thinking on your part that it will be built here?
everything else suggests it will be an import…….
yeah wild colours are totally in.
ford started it with the BA series with an awesome range of different colours. now finally holden is giving their fans what they have been asking for
Tez,
i agree totally with this
QUOTE……..
“Half of Americans don’t even wear seatbelts. Are the air bags high on their list because of that? Maybe bucket sized cup holders are more popular.”
its silly to think americans of all people will get upset and worried about curtain airbags
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Andre M
I agree; if people allow the fact as to whether or not a particular car does or doesn’t have the full list of electronic safety features such as ABS ESP EBD SRS TC RPA etc influence their decision when buying a car.
They are virtually admitting that they don’t have the confidence or skill to avoid a possible accident which [to them] is inevitable.
They are also most likely the same people who are heavily guided by a cars crash test safety rating [from ANCrAP]
because if they were heading towards a concrete wall or the rear end of a truck they wouldnt have the ability or reaction times to take some form of evasive action like gradual braking and swerving/changing lanes.
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:08 pm
Andrew M: I meant that [unfortunately] there’s a 98% chance that the Mitsubishi Factory will close - there’s a meeting in Tokyo next month.. not that the Torana will be built here.
Wait and see I guess
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:10 pm
thats totally my stand on it too wheelnut.
what ever happened to “Responsibility”????
and who the hell ever buys a car based on the findings of surveys or studies?
^^^^that one ive been saying for ages
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:29 pm
The funny thing is those “switch” colours that changed from dark blue through to sea green or; yellow through to blood red never really made it onto production cars as a standard factory colour.
I remember seeing a couple of Magna wagons but I was told they were a “special order”.
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November 21st, 2007 at 7:55 pm
wheelnut, you have been saying all along that the torana will be produced here. i wasnt referring to the mitsu comment
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November 22nd, 2007 at 7:25 am
Tonyn,
The Adventra was a poor attempt at an 4WD/SUV - a cheaper, stop gap option of doing a Territory until the Captiva came on line.
An AWD sportwagon would be a completely different market. Performance not SUV.
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November 22nd, 2007 at 8:43 am
Eddy The Expert - I’m not doubting your assertion that the VE was designed with AWD in mind, the point I’m making is that the Holden CEO said that for them its basically a waste of time, that it just isn’t economically viable to do both RWD and AWD, nor to fragment their sales through 1 tonners, Adventura, Crewman etc. Whilst it looked good to have all these flash new models out there, very few people were buying them over the standard car range to make it make financial sense.
As for the Adventura, I seem to rememeber that after it was launched it dropped so spectaculalry in price that people that had paid the original list were given refunds (was it $5000, I can’t rememeber the exact figure). I’d like to see the final sales figures for the Adventura - a 2 tonne (before you put people or gear in it) Subaru Outback competitor? No wonder it was quietly discontinued.
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November 22nd, 2007 at 8:44 am
“harleiquin” colours will never make it onto production because of its costs…. ford attempted it with with its BF colour “fantasy”…..
I think you might be suprised with mitsu oz’s manufacturing plant…. i dont think it will close.
Darren, i still dont think a AWD wagon in a performance perspective is worthy, i dont think there would be a big enough market?
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November 22nd, 2007 at 9:57 am
I think there would only be a big enough market with exports in mind. How about a Chev Lumina AWD sportwagon for the Saudi market as well as the US market? Even Opel have expressed interest in a Calais V style import as an exclusive model above the Vectra as they no longer produce the Senator.
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Andrew M : I admit that; however; when the Torana was unveiled there were reports that the Torana could be built here.. since then Holden has switched its focus to export markets.
Which is why the next-gen Monaro is now expected to be built in Canada alongside the GTO so I now suspect [at this stage] the Torana could be built there as well.
Don;t forget that when the new Orion Falcon project started there were reports that it would be built in LHD for export markets.. since then we have found that
[at this stage] it won’t be.
I doubt that there is another industry which runs so much on rumour and speculation.. Therefore; you can never be really sure what will happen until it actually does.
Will the Torrie be built here; will mitsubishi close; willthe Falcon be LHD; will the Mustang be built here; will Holden inport Opels; will Ford and GM close plants in the US.. we’ll have to wait and see.
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:39 am
Will Howard get back in???????hahahaha……SORRY couldn’t resist!
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Darren,
they no longer produce the senator????
yes they do dont they??
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November 24th, 2007 at 8:44 am
wheelnut,
fair enough, i was just curious as when i thought about it i dont remember ever seeing it stated that it was to be built here. probably the australian name torana is what lead to those assumptions
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:09 am
Bav missile, I did that too at 12am last night.
And Darren, where did you here about the Senator been discontinued?
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November 24th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Did you ?????? I am hoping he does ME ? Most people either old enough to remember Labor in time last time or in business for themselves will remain labor I would think!
Ok Capricorn?
Hey do you drink do you drink Jim Beam AndrewM……..have you seen the new number 17 car at the bottle shop yet ? Some form of packaging for DJR 17 car !
Not wrong about the cost of harleiquin pain Tonyn ! Not many around I guess,matching up paint must be a nightmare!
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November 24th, 2007 at 1:34 pm
The only way I could see the Torana being built here is if:
- The Mitsubishi factory [on the other side of town]
closed.. which wouldn’t be bad as it would save some jobs
- Holden expanded the Elizabeth plant.. they’ve got
enough room out there - I go past it nearly every day.
However; [unfortunately] it seems both Liberal and Labor are intent on reducing tarrifs even further therefore; it could infact be cheaper..
People who buy a Torana will also be able to say they drive an “imported” car which seems to have some credibility about it - something to do with their immage or insecurity.
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November 25th, 2007 at 1:42 pm
i like fords so wen i see dat car i need a happy sand wich
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November 25th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
that fntasy colour is so easy to match! im amazed!!!
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November 25th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Really ? Its not cheap to buy though is it?
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November 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
its a wartered down colour of sorts…. it uses other colours to tone down the flip…. the actual tinter costs about $1000 per litre
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November 25th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
ahhhhhhh….right ! I thought it was $1000 a litre !
So is work picking up yet? Christmas in a little over 4 weeks
better start putting up the Christmas trees I guess…..although I think I will have to be careful M doesn’t de-decorate it ! I leave all the decorations on my tree put a couple of big garbage bags over it and put in the back garage, then dada..take the bags off and shes done!
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November 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pm
no its dead… im starting to panic!!!
I have my christmas tree up already!!
Its dear, Dad had a BA xr8 done in it, harlequin red to purple with red candy over it was in performance ford mag, looked the goods!! but its dear to fix!!!
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November 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
So are most retailers at the moment ! I hope this week people will get back in the spending mode!
Looks like I had better take a walk out the back to get the tree then !
Performance Ford? Which issue?
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November 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
it was an early one, its a PPG car, was used in the early PBR performance brake upgrade adverts!
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November 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
What year was it can you remember?
Dont forget to send me those pics when you get home!
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November 26th, 2007 at 10:20 am
I hope Holden selling heaps of commiedoors to the yanks doesn’t lead down the path of our cars becoming ‘americanised’, because yank tanks SUCK arse!!! Keep your grubby mitts of our cool Aussie cars, america!
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November 30th, 2007 at 7:03 pm
HSV still make the VE Senator Signature Sedan.. It’s the Opel Senator which was dis-continued back in ‘92 along with the Rekord which was the basis for the Commodore from VB to VN. After that Holden basically made the look more modern as well as bigger longer wider etc up until the VE
Holden made slight changes/improvements to it to make it more suitable to Australian conditions.. mainly to the driveline and suspension [Peter Hanenbergers RTS system]
The reason Holden used the Rekord wasn’t because they didn’t have the skills to design and build a car from scratch [they did] it was because back in the 80s Holdens position in the GM Hierarchy wasnt as high as it is now
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November 30th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
well you took your time to answer whether the senator had been discontinued like someone suggested.
its ok i knew it hadnt been discontinued. just seeing if you knew something i didnt
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December 1st, 2007 at 8:19 am
I think it was Darren.. who said they don’t make the senator. He probably thought that because you don’t see that many of them around.. So I guess it would be easy to think that they don’t make the senator anymore - Mind you you don’t see many Smart Cars or Ssanggyong utes around either but they still make them.
Not only that.. but there isn’t that much [visual] difference between the VE Clubbie-GTS-Senator as compared to previous HSV models.
The 20th Anniversary HSV is a Clubbie with a mixture of GTS and Senator features/options
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December 1st, 2007 at 8:28 am
Hey wheelnut did you know that in the 12 hour BATHURST next year Holden are entering the wagon?
They didn’t enter the VE this year from memory so why a wagon you think
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December 1st, 2007 at 9:05 am
why a wagon? easy…….holden marketing.
they will put a 427 in it, make it fully race prepared, enter it in a production car series, it will whoop arse, then they will brag how it won.
wheelnut,
i know where a new senator lives and i pass it nearly every day.
i think there is just as noticable difference as the earlier models.
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December 1st, 2007 at 9:11 am
I have no idea why ,marketing to show how good the chassis is?But this race is more about reliability than grunt,although both helps.
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December 1st, 2007 at 6:07 pm
The reason Holden are entering a wagon could be because apart from having an overall winner the 12 hour also has category or class winners - depending upon engine size; body style etc and unless another marque enters a wagon Holden are guarenteed to be a class winner.. that is of the “Australian Rear Wheel Drive V8 Sports Wagon” class
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December 1st, 2007 at 6:28 pm
But what did Holden enter this year??????
I know my beloved BMW won outright and a lot of other classes,but where did it come,I cant recall seeing a VE!Lets Hope the M3 is out there next year!!!!
Do you know the E30M3 has won more races in the world than another Touring car……….hehehehe
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December 1st, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Holden entered a couple of Astras one being a Hot Pink diesel driven by Leanne Tander and a group of other talented [but not so well known] Ozi/NZ female racers Sponsored by Bendon.
which lasted approx 3/4 of the race until it developed an intermittent power problem believed to be caused by a faulty EMS
The other was a Fluoro Green SRI driven by Nathean Pretty and a group of youngsters which I believe didn’t last as long as the girls it retired due to an apparent misfire
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December 1st, 2007 at 7:14 pm
AHHHHH,yep I remember that…..girls were doing well too!
Why no VE though? Gee you do well on this site for all these Ford lovers chanting at Holden all the time!Well done for being so fare!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
I’d say the reason there were no VEs at this years 12 Hour was due to the cars were prepared by Garry Rogers Motorsport who at the time was flat out building his own Valvoline VE V8 Supercars and therefore didn’t have enought time to build another race ready VE so Holden Motorsport decided to go for something smaller which would need less work done to it.
The other reason could be that the Diesel Astra had just been released and you couldn’t get a better test than 12 hours round the best street circuit in the world
Now that GRM have their VE Supercars they’re able to start work on the VE Wagon
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December 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
So aren’t the cars factory?????I thought they were! Thought it was funny when one of the Rexs did a wheel bearing and they took a spare off the display car !!!!!! How many cars can a manufacturer enter you think?
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December 2nd, 2007 at 12:59 pm
I didn’t like the way there were so many rally cars there at the Bathurst 12 hour.
The XR8 Bowe was driving did well because he’s the most experienced there…. Shame he wasn’t driving the Class A F6 Phoon!!!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pm
The cars that compete in the 12 hour are regarded as being Factory in the same way the HRT cars are Factory.
The cars are supplied by the car companies..but the prep work is done by specialist engineers who design and install the roll cage etc.
Very few car companies have the facilities required to build a Race car in their Factory.. Porsche is possibly the only exception with the Carrera Cup Cars
However; The cars don’t necessarily have to be Factory cars they only have to be current spec production cars.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 1:10 pm
I don’t think there is a limit on how many cars a manufacturer can enter in the 12hr. It all depends on their budget.. are they prepared to risk 12 cars with the likelihood of only 2 finishing.. and can they find enough drivers to race them - you’d need at least 4 per car
Next year there will be a Mini series.. as these cars will be stock standard JCW Cooper S’s.. If they wanted to; Mini could enter all 30 odd cars.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Ahhhhhh.ok!
Minis are great little cars……..I don’t think anything but a Mini can get away with having a white roof on a red car,weird,but it works! Not fond of the carbon fiber roof on the new M3 ……..prefer more weight and have it steel, plus I am sort of use to a moon roof now!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pm
Yes, red Mini in white roof is tasteful and classy, unpainted carbon fiber roof on BMW is vulgar and rice.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pm
The other good thing with Mini is that; they used to paint the national flag of your choice on the roof - as an optional.. extra I’m not sure if they do it now.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 4:23 pm
No one tell me who has wont the Championship cause race 3 hasn’t started yet………not looking good so far though!
Shes been pretty well staged by HRT I think….BOOOOOOO!
General Skaffie has struck again!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 5:28 pm
BM, by now you know what happend!
Holden in V8 Supercar are great planners!!!! LOL
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December 2nd, 2007 at 5:47 pm
No I dont ME……….shhhhhhh.My anti spam word was HOLDEN.gulp! I have no finger nails and need a Valium!!!!!!
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December 2nd, 2007 at 6:08 pm
I know what you mean… I’m not watching the news - insted I might go to Brisbane tonight to forget.
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December 2nd, 2007 at 6:13 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,I cant believe it !2 points!!
Yep ME great planners!!!
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December 6th, 2007 at 7:23 pm
It’s not just the Australians that love the commodore it’s also the americans and soon holden will be selling cars all over thje world. Will ford……………………………….nah too lazy and noby likes us is there answer!
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December 6th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Duck,
you are fast becoming a tool of this site.
you obviously have no idea in life and never search for both sides of an argument or situation.
for 1 the holden badge wil NOT be sold over the world. they re badge them to suit the area.
and secondly have you stopped and evaluated the economics of such an export program when the aussie dollar is so high? it is hurting the auto giant in toyota at the moment so if i were ford i wouldnt see it as economically visable either.
ford aus will make it up in other areas im sure
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December 6th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
I know that thats why there is companies like Vauxhall, Opel, Pontiac, Chevyb & even Daewoo
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December 6th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
And Andrew M i dont call people tools all right or anything like that on the website so dont call me it then!
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December 9th, 2007 at 11:58 am
The Holden Wagon and Ute is what the americans whant deffinitely! (pontiac).
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December 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 am
I recently visited www.autoblog.com where I was reading an article about the Pontiac G8 and what the Americans think of it.
What I found was a number of them would like to see Pontiac be replaced by Holden.. They no longer believe that Pontiac as the performance car company it once was. Whereas it seems; they are impressed with the look and quality of the Commodore/G8.. and they can’t wait for the new Pontiac G8 Sports Truck [Note: not a Ute]
Which could possibly mean that at GMs board meeting in January; as well as discussing the closure of some US plants which are operating at less than 75%.. they may also decide to expand Holdens Elizabeth plant; build the new Torana here as well and exported to the US as the new G6 in 2010 - we’ll have to wait and see
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December 23rd, 2007 at 10:46 am
Yes…………….I hope so Wheelnut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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December 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 am
Gee Wheelnut where did you find that article……..hahaha
Funny how we diss each other in Australia regarding Fords against Holdens all the time,but when another country does it we rally around national pride…..regardless what make it is!!
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December 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 am
Hey Duck don’t take it personally…….AndrewM has a low tolerance to idiots! !
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December 23rd, 2007 at 12:06 pm
BM
Go To http://www.autoblog.com/2007/1.....-underway/
I agree with you about “national pride” I’m proud that Bob Lutz and GM has noticed that we build top quality cars and is allowing Holden to export the VE Commodore.
Unfortuanately Ford Jr doesn’t think the same way in relation to the Orion Falcon..
He must feel threatened that it will take sales away from their US built cars - or is too dumb to realise that just as Holden is part of GM; Ford Australia is part of Ford and the money eventually makes its way back to Detroit.
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December 23rd, 2007 at 12:51 pm
DUCK…mate read your comments and I back what ANDREW M said. How about you change the D to an F if you dish up your bizarro comments!
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December 23rd, 2007 at 6:45 pm
What AndrewM no reply too Duck……..I thought you would have cooked him by now……
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December 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pm
sorry BM, i only just realised this post was kicking again.
duck, just read what you have posted in the past. i have found most of your stuff to be biased, silly one liners with no substance to any sort of argument.
i posted the tool comment at the time where you burst on to the site, went through all the ford articles in the archive and posted utter rubbish attacking ford.
sorry if i offended you with the tool reference but i could have also been a lot worse with how i branded you in relation to your silly comments.
so just read your posts again and then try and type with a straight face that you see nothing wrong with them
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December 23rd, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I thought you must have missed my previous email reminder on it!
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