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		<title>By: atekay</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-201505</link>
		<dc:creator>atekay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 23:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everybody hoons, and if you think everyone does then speak for yourself. statistics show that out of 400 drivers whose cars were impounded were mostly male and only 4 were female. this article isn&#039;t  stating that if you have a nice car it is going to be crushed it is stating that if you are caught being a hoon you will have to suffer the consequences. I am sick to death of hearing about losses on our road because of hoon drivers. this laws need to be tougher to stop this ridiculous craze. The article in the Herald Sun of October 26, 2006 state that hoons are not getting the message. If you feel the need to be a lead foot and put others in danger then fine but you must suffer the outcome leave it on the race track isnt it better to hoon in a control environment such as calder park then to be on the streets were innocent bystanders could get hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everybody hoons, and if you think everyone does then speak for yourself. statistics show that out of 400 drivers whose cars were impounded were mostly male and only 4 were female. this article isn&#8217;t  stating that if you have a nice car it is going to be crushed it is stating that if you are caught being a hoon you will have to suffer the consequences. I am sick to death of hearing about losses on our road because of hoon drivers. this laws need to be tougher to stop this ridiculous craze. The article in the Herald Sun of October 26, 2006 state that hoons are not getting the message. If you feel the need to be a lead foot and put others in danger then fine but you must suffer the outcome leave it on the race track isnt it better to hoon in a control environment such as calder park then to be on the streets were innocent bystanders could get hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim D</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-148081</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet a drink driver can go back to his car in the morning when he is sober and drive it around until he appears in court.

Stupid law by stupid uniformed politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet a drink driver can go back to his car in the morning when he is sober and drive it around until he appears in court.</p>
<p>Stupid law by stupid uniformed politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: cops=wankers</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-143488</link>
		<dc:creator>cops=wankers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 11:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i drive a classic &quot;hoon&quot; car i have a toyota supra and its all 100% legal the only mod been adjustable suspension.i got pulled over first day i had it and the copper even said to me to watch out for the highway patrol guys cause they will defect me for it been too low even tho she found nothing wrong with it. 
another story in my old school falcon first week on the road after 3 years of restoring driving down the main street cops do an illegal U-turn at the traffic lights and pulled me over for a &quot;&quot;random&quot;&quot; breath test (after i decided to be a smart arse to them and go round the block to end up behind them) then tried to defect a 45 year old falcon i near sedan, he told me to make the exhaust quieter (nothing wrong with it) so i didnt fix it i saw that same copper several times after he pulled me over and he never agin pulled me over to tell me to get my exhaust fixed. 
are they trying to discourage us not to mod our cars when they have modified patrol highway cars supposedly to catch us hoons i guess. but do cops have nothing better to do than pull over a car that has obviously had tousands of hours and money spent on it. the amount of times i get some guy in a little hatch back with fusion stickers on the back window,coming up beside me at the lights wanting to race in lasers or protons or something.
 but seriously crushing a car for an offence is rediciolus, if more events like off street drags were organised and the RTA and NSW police got on top and promoted and sponsered them, then everyone will be happy cause hoons wont have to race on the street to see if they can beat that car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i drive a classic &#8220;hoon&#8221; car i have a toyota supra and its all 100% legal the only mod been adjustable suspension.i got pulled over first day i had it and the copper even said to me to watch out for the highway patrol guys cause they will defect me for it been too low even tho she found nothing wrong with it.<br />
another story in my old school falcon first week on the road after 3 years of restoring driving down the main street cops do an illegal U-turn at the traffic lights and pulled me over for a &#8220;&#8221;random&#8221;" breath test (after i decided to be a smart arse to them and go round the block to end up behind them) then tried to defect a 45 year old falcon i near sedan, he told me to make the exhaust quieter (nothing wrong with it) so i didnt fix it i saw that same copper several times after he pulled me over and he never agin pulled me over to tell me to get my exhaust fixed.<br />
are they trying to discourage us not to mod our cars when they have modified patrol highway cars supposedly to catch us hoons i guess. but do cops have nothing better to do than pull over a car that has obviously had tousands of hours and money spent on it. the amount of times i get some guy in a little hatch back with fusion stickers on the back window,coming up beside me at the lights wanting to race in lasers or protons or something.<br />
 but seriously crushing a car for an offence is rediciolus, if more events like off street drags were organised and the RTA and NSW police got on top and promoted and sponsered them, then everyone will be happy cause hoons wont have to race on the street to see if they can beat that car.</p>
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		<title>By: ariia</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-88428</link>
		<dc:creator>ariia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG!!!!! how rude is this lawit should not be passed.. its cruel why not just auction hte cars or something crushing is a waste and in many ways causes more problems. people are still going to keep goin at just watch us!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!!!!! how rude is this lawit should not be passed.. its cruel why not just auction hte cars or something crushing is a waste and in many ways causes more problems. people are still going to keep goin at just watch us!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lancelot</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-84060</link>
		<dc:creator>Lancelot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 10:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hoons are terrorists and should be dealt with like terrorists. Crushing their cars is not enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hoons are terrorists and should be dealt with like terrorists. Crushing their cars is not enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ifixup</title>
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		<dc:creator>ifixup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the fact remains,by enforcing unjust powers to the authorities,to assume whom they like,instead of validating proof of actuall street racing,them whom commited an accident,them whom have qualified truly for the penalty,it will undoubtably lure more innocent parties,to engage in a unsafe highspeed police chase,because its well known fact there are lame +cowardly autorities who like to play god,as opposed to going about their jobs in a justified +ethical manner.personally if ye ask me,coppers that dislike decent entuiasts + APPRECIATE TASTEFULL CAR RESTORATIONS ARE POOFTERS IN MY BOOK(EVEN THE MISSUS AGREES ON THAT ONE)CONVERSLY ANY COPPER WHOMS WORTH THEIR RESOLVE WOULD REALISE THE BEST METHOD TO AVOID UNDUE CARNAGE IS TO BACKOFF YE SPEED CHASES TO 170KPH AROUND URBAN AREAS,THAT WAY IT WILL LESSEN THE RISK OF UNDUE EXCESSIVE CARNAGE WHICH IS TENFOLD TO THE SUSPECTED CRIMES.
ABOVE 170KPH NO ONE NOT EVEN THE BEST F1 DRIVER IN THE PLANET COULD COUNTER AN UNEXPECTED EVENT IN LOCAL URBAN AREAS.THE SMART COPPERS KNOW THIS ,ASLONG AS THEY GOT THE REGO PLATE,NO WORRIES THEY FIX THE CULPRITS THEN.
ABOUT TIME LEMMA WISENS UP TO HIDS EXISTENCE + ATTEMPT TO LURE A MORE COMPROMISED STRAGETY TO A/LESSEN THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH SPEED CHASES+ B/RE DEFINE THE POWERS TO A MORE COMPROMISED + ETHICAL NATURE OF OBTAINED EVIDENCE BEFORE AUTHORISING THE TOWTRUCK TO TO YE CAR AWAY.
IF THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE CAN CO OPERATE IN A MORE RESPONSABLE + ETHICAL MANNER,THEN I AM CERTAIN THERE WOULD BE MORE RESPECT TO ALL INSTEAD OF THE BRAVE + JUST OFFICERS.
GENERALLY THEM WITH REASONING + UNDERSTRANDING + LIKING TO DECENT MODIFIED CARS ARE WORTH THEIR SAK,AS FOR THE BEANCOUNTING LEMMA HJ STEREOTYPE LAMER ASSUMERS,BURN IN HELL,YE AINT ABOVE GOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact remains,by enforcing unjust powers to the authorities,to assume whom they like,instead of validating proof of actuall street racing,them whom commited an accident,them whom have qualified truly for the penalty,it will undoubtably lure more innocent parties,to engage in a unsafe highspeed police chase,because its well known fact there are lame +cowardly autorities who like to play god,as opposed to going about their jobs in a justified +ethical manner.personally if ye ask me,coppers that dislike decent entuiasts + APPRECIATE TASTEFULL CAR RESTORATIONS ARE POOFTERS IN MY BOOK(EVEN THE MISSUS AGREES ON THAT ONE)CONVERSLY ANY COPPER WHOMS WORTH THEIR RESOLVE WOULD REALISE THE BEST METHOD TO AVOID UNDUE CARNAGE IS TO BACKOFF YE SPEED CHASES TO 170KPH AROUND URBAN AREAS,THAT WAY IT WILL LESSEN THE RISK OF UNDUE EXCESSIVE CARNAGE WHICH IS TENFOLD TO THE SUSPECTED CRIMES.<br />
ABOVE 170KPH NO ONE NOT EVEN THE BEST F1 DRIVER IN THE PLANET COULD COUNTER AN UNEXPECTED EVENT IN LOCAL URBAN AREAS.THE SMART COPPERS KNOW THIS ,ASLONG AS THEY GOT THE REGO PLATE,NO WORRIES THEY FIX THE CULPRITS THEN.<br />
ABOUT TIME LEMMA WISENS UP TO HIDS EXISTENCE + ATTEMPT TO LURE A MORE COMPROMISED STRAGETY TO A/LESSEN THE POTENTIAL RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH HIGH SPEED CHASES+ B/RE DEFINE THE POWERS TO A MORE COMPROMISED + ETHICAL NATURE OF OBTAINED EVIDENCE BEFORE AUTHORISING THE TOWTRUCK TO TO YE CAR AWAY.<br />
IF THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE CAN CO OPERATE IN A MORE RESPONSABLE + ETHICAL MANNER,THEN I AM CERTAIN THERE WOULD BE MORE RESPECT TO ALL INSTEAD OF THE BRAVE + JUST OFFICERS.<br />
GENERALLY THEM WITH REASONING + UNDERSTRANDING + LIKING TO DECENT MODIFIED CARS ARE WORTH THEIR SAK,AS FOR THE BEANCOUNTING LEMMA HJ STEREOTYPE LAMER ASSUMERS,BURN IN HELL,YE AINT ABOVE GOD.</p>
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		<title>By: pprejewrnfkjfw</title>
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		<dc:creator>pprejewrnfkjfw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u cops cant catch me!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u cops cant catch me!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gym</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/7950/nsw-to-crush-hoons-cars/#comment-68723</link>
		<dc:creator>Gym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Baz and other likeminded people maybe your should do some research before you open your mouth and make yourself look even more ignorant and stupid then you already appear.
There were 169 hooning-related accidents involving injury and property damage in the period 1999 to 2004. 

According to road safety statistics of the Queensland Road Safety Authority (Queensland Transport 2005) they indicate that there were over 100,000 accidents in Queensland in the period 1999–2003 and therefore represent roughly one quarter of one per cent of these accidents, yes that right - 0.4% of all accidents in QLD were coursed by hoons!!!


Quoted from a year1 law student 

The new anti-hoon laws override the presumption of innocence”

Australian citizens should have the right to a fair trial, the anti-hoon laws do not provide this because the presumption of innocence before guilt means that before you can be punished for your suspected wrong-doing you should get a trial in court. The hoon laws allow officers on the spot impound rights at their discretion.

The target for the punishment is not accurate in some circumstances where the hoon is driving a vehicle other than their own, this creates a situation where the innocent is being punished for a crime they didn’t even commit.

Another problem is that discretionary powers vary from officer to officer, and fair and just enforcement is not possible when police are given the power to impound what can be $100,000 + of some ones, (or someone else’s) property.

Being a strict liability offence means that it is almost impossible to prove innocence, unless you have evidence to present in court that proves you didn’t commit the crime.

(End Quote)
I would strongly suggest that before becoming another mindless pawn in the media’s dribble you decide to look into things a bit further.
Ps BAZ find something better to do then watch a current affair that crap will destroy your brain cells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Baz and other likeminded people maybe your should do some research before you open your mouth and make yourself look even more ignorant and stupid then you already appear.<br />
There were 169 hooning-related accidents involving injury and property damage in the period 1999 to 2004. </p>
<p>According to road safety statistics of the Queensland Road Safety Authority (Queensland Transport 2005) they indicate that there were over 100,000 accidents in Queensland in the period 1999–2003 and therefore represent roughly one quarter of one per cent of these accidents, yes that right &#8211; 0.4% of all accidents in QLD were coursed by hoons!!!</p>
<p>Quoted from a year1 law student </p>
<p>The new anti-hoon laws override the presumption of innocence”</p>
<p>Australian citizens should have the right to a fair trial, the anti-hoon laws do not provide this because the presumption of innocence before guilt means that before you can be punished for your suspected wrong-doing you should get a trial in court. The hoon laws allow officers on the spot impound rights at their discretion.</p>
<p>The target for the punishment is not accurate in some circumstances where the hoon is driving a vehicle other than their own, this creates a situation where the innocent is being punished for a crime they didn’t even commit.</p>
<p>Another problem is that discretionary powers vary from officer to officer, and fair and just enforcement is not possible when police are given the power to impound what can be $100,000 + of some ones, (or someone else’s) property.</p>
<p>Being a strict liability offence means that it is almost impossible to prove innocence, unless you have evidence to present in court that proves you didn’t commit the crime.</p>
<p>(End Quote)<br />
I would strongly suggest that before becoming another mindless pawn in the media’s dribble you decide to look into things a bit further.<br />
Ps BAZ find something better to do then watch a current affair that crap will destroy your brain cells.</p>
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		<title>By: DEBO</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEBO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my car and my mates car was taken off us for alleged street racing and we sure werent which really pisses me off the most i worked so hard for my car and they just took i away for no good reason i admit i love to thrash a car here and there but when i get accused for somthing i did not do it really gets me goin ,,, plus they did not have us on camera or radar and they didnt even confiscate our license nthis is just ridiculus but i am fighting it in court i have fou witnesses has this ever happened to any body if it has let me no what you went through so that i can prepar for this shit!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my car and my mates car was taken off us for alleged street racing and we sure werent which really pisses me off the most i worked so hard for my car and they just took i away for no good reason i admit i love to thrash a car here and there but when i get accused for somthing i did not do it really gets me goin ,,, plus they did not have us on camera or radar and they didnt even confiscate our license nthis is just ridiculus but i am fighting it in court i have fou witnesses has this ever happened to any body if it has let me no what you went through so that i can prepar for this shit!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Baz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if all the opponents to this legislation would take a different view if their best friend, mother, brother or grandma etc etc were killed or left in a vegetative state by these reckless idiots. Pull your head in, take a look around, families are being destroyed by the carnage on our roads. Its simple, dont do the wrong thing and you dont lose your car. These laws  arent tough enough do deter all you dickheads</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if all the opponents to this legislation would take a different view if their best friend, mother, brother or grandma etc etc were killed or left in a vegetative state by these reckless idiots. Pull your head in, take a look around, families are being destroyed by the carnage on our roads. Its simple, dont do the wrong thing and you dont lose your car. These laws  arent tough enough do deter all you dickheads</p>
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