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Toyota recall: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration blames driver error

By Brett Davis |

The NHTSA has been investigating the recent Toyota recall issues that provoked unintended acceleration issues. It found that 35-58 percent of the cases were not down to electronic faults but down to the driver simply not applying the brakes.

Toyota first suggested the unintended acceleration issue was not down to an electrical fault, and out of the 6200 complaints, the NHTSA says 2000 of them were due to floor mat interference and driver errors. So although the mat getting caught under the accelerator pedal is an issue in itself, the car’s electronic circuitry, it seems, was not the sole cause of the problem as first thought.

Toyota has also been doing testing on some 4000 on-site vehicles and found no cases of the vehicle accelerating under some form of electrical fault. Still not putting an end to the issue though, the investigations will continue, even with the help of NASA, until a more definite result can be concluded.

Out of the 9.4 million vehicles recalled, 7.5 million of those were from America, where also, 89 reports of death had occurred due to the problem in some form or another.


 
  • Camry lover

    Good on the NHTSA for letting the truth be heard.

  • john

    The NHSTA results were based on the logs in the ECU and the transmission computer – duh, they were the things going wrong !

    There have been numerous examples where the brakes would not operate and the transmission would not shift.

    With ‘drive by wire’ you can’t tell simply from looking at the computer logs whether the vehicle was opearting properly.

    • Camry lover

      I personally think undermining the intelligence of NHSTA officials is unwise. They have the tools and equipment to ascertain the truth; a truth that has been rightfully unraveled.

  • one eyed pirate

    89 deaths doesnt sound too bad for the truth finally getting out there you can keep your camry ( camrylover)

  • Van Ariel Disease

    Sure…..drivers fault. But all the drivers were driving Toyotas!! Of course they didnt press the brakes straight away because in cars OTHER than Toyotas when you take your foot off the accelerator pedal the car slows down!! Talk about passing the buck……….what sort of company is Toyota when they blame everybody else but they wont admit their mistakes and faults? Trustworthy, reliable, honest and dependable are not things that anyone can say that Toyota and their boring cars are…..OH what a reject..Toyota!

    • Matty B

      So let me get this straight, out of 9,400,000 vehicles (about a years worth of sales in the US for Toyota) recalled, they had 6200 complaints. Of those they found that “maybe” 4000 were faulty ? That’s less then 0.005% that may or may not have an issue.

      I’m not making excuses, but they even bought Nasa in to investigate, do you think they’ve got 99.995% quality control? I know driving a prius to the shops and going into space are two completely different things, but the bottom line is with any sort of production there’s always a chance it won’t be 100.0000%

      • kazu

        like ur point, 4000 were faulty does sounds a lot more than 3000 Saab have quality issues

      • Sean C

        You make a reasonable point Matt, however when Toyota strives for “world class” production quality output which is defined today at 3 defects per million that is still too many as far as they’re concerned.

      • Reckless1

        How many shuttles has NASA lost again?

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Whilst I am not trying to defend Toyota, don’t forget we are talking about a nation where people have been known to set the cruise control on a winnebago on the highway and then go “out the back” to make a cuppa. They then turned around and sued the company because it didn’t tell them they couldn’t do that in the manual… :-)

      • Urban Legend

        That is an urban legend. There has never been any record of this occurring. Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.

        • Devil’s Advocate

          Hence the …. ;-) (wink)

          I am sure there are many other similar stories that can be used!

    • gaz

      There is only 1 reject on this forum!!! Well done NHSTA for telling the truth AND STOPPING THE WITCH HUNT!

  • Jon

    The brake pedal is waiting for driver!!

    • Golfschwein

      And my own understanding is that none of these cars would have sufficient horsepower to overcome a set of clamped brakes. Scissors beats paper. Rock beats scissors. Brake pedal beats accelerator.

  • Save it for the track

    I know in the old days that when an accellerator cable got stuck, no amount of pushing the brakes would stop the car, you just overheat the brakes. Old school is turn the car off put it in neutral, hit the hazard lights and coast to a stop, hopefully on the left if on a freeway. One wonders what would happen with some of these keyless type computer vehicles with the other related computer controlled brakes, accellerators etc.
    .
    makes one long for no ABS, traction and all the computer controls doesn’t it?

    • Hooda

      Yep, all cars, by law, should come with a MECHANICAL switch to turn off the engine. Even if they have keyless start, they can have keyed STOP!

      In trains here in Melbourne, they have EMERGENCY DOOR RELEASE levers inside, even though the doors open and close electronically. This lever is for EMERGENCIES.

  • Mythfrances

    Like I posted somewhere before. VW had even more unintended acceleration reports to cars ratio than Toyota in 2009. Its just that Toyota is selling so many cars, so the number of complains looks big. Dont ask me where the source is, cos I dont rmb.

    Anyway my point is Toyota’s quality has not dropped maybe a bit, but not as much as many think.

    • Mythfrances

      Blah “anyway my point is Toyota’s quality has not dropped maybe a bit, but not as much as many think.”

      typo. should read toyota’s quality has prob dropped a bit, but not as much as many think. lol

    • Golfschwein

      Google “Audi Unintended Acceleration” and see this story:

      The Best Of TTAC: The Audi 5000 Intended Unintended Acceleration …

      That’s what supports the opinion I’ve offered above and previously. Other stories, like the Wiki ones, give credit to the theory that the vacuum caused by a wide-open throttle may indeed make the brakes a bit marginal.

      I dunno. I’m not about to test the theories myself, but I’ll count myself as an unintended acceleration sceptic.

  • pirakavezok

    I know for sure turbo powered Volvo cars (2001-2003) have a unintended acceleration (I used to own one). This was apparently traced down to the electronic throttle module (drive-by-wire) made by magneti marelli whereby the throttle gets clogged due to the turbo pressure thus giving the ETM faulty readings. There has been no admission of fault by Volvo nor any recall and I’ve not read anything about this in the press. I just wonder why Toyota’s case has attracted so much attention. Could it be that it is the largest auto company?

    • The Other Brad

      Tinfoil hats on!

      It was a ‘marketing’ campaign to try and get people to buy cars from US owned companies.

      You may remove your tinfoil hat now :)

    • Shak

      Umm could it be the fact that the cars you mention would be no where near the volumes that Toyota had to recall. 9.4 million versus some 700-800K cars is a massive difference.

  • Sexythang

    its just people trying to blame the car for the accident when it is thier own fault.

  • Broken Back

    To everyone who believes that brakes work when unintended acceleration occurs i can categorically say that this is an issue.

    I had a locally manufactured car accelerate after reversing from my driveway then put the car in drive. the vehicle accelerated and i crashed about 15 metres away. (not far enough to turn off engine due to a very close corner) went over a tall gutter through a brick fence and into the corner of a house. During this i was hard on the brakes to no avail. I ended up with a broken L4 vertabrae out of this incident.

    Big problem facing me is that because the computers had no power for longer than 5 days (police storage, cut battery cables) the manufacturer cannot retrieve any data from the computer system as i resets every 5 days in the data logging. I still work for this manufacturer as a salesman hence no names but i understand what america is going through to find an answer.

    Wish i had nasa so i could get some compo though.

  • Reckless1

    Attention! Attention!

    Toyota drivers don’t use the brake pedal to save their lives – Toyota proves their customers are stupid.

    Stupid people buy Toyotas, it’s now a proven fact, proven by NASA, which has never lost a shuttle (well, not lately, anyway…..)

    • Camry lover

      No personal attacks please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1435885244 Yani Hendriawan

    i was driving my dads rav 4 and i had cruise control on and i needed to brake and i thought i’d just flick the cruise control off but i must have flicked it the wrong way because i paniced for a sec and though no! it’s going to accelerate out of control! but then i just hit the foot brake

    • Jon

      Cruise control automatically turns off itself when the brake pedal is applied, if you drive a manual car, depressing the clutch also turns off the cruise control.

  • M2CW

    The thing I don’t understand, is in all the comments I have read regarding ‘unintended acceleration’ incidents, I have not seen anyone suggest putting a vehicle in neutral?